Thread 724993539

I would love to learn how to draw

>>724993696
Can you not afford a pencil or something?

It's easy to tell who's NGMI and who has talent from a young age. If you find something too difficult to get into then you'll never succeed.

Here's the thing: if you can't draw decently from memory like your cool friend who had a steady hand in fucking high school and was doodling cool shit between lessons, don't even bother. You're basically gonna spend 10 years of your life to be maybe half as good as someone who doodled in his diary in grade 8.

>>724993769
None of your businesd

>>724993901
It says that everybody can learn

>>724994048
Yeah everyone can do a decent enough sketch, but not everyone can be great at it.
Also they need to sell the books.

>>724993882
truthnuke

>>724993901
Why are anons so negative all the time? Wherever I go from here to /r9k/ to fucking /o/ there's always some depressive defeatist faggot who goes "it's not worth trying this thing out because everyone else already did it before you" as if humans ever did something that wasn't already done by someone else. Grow the fuck up.

>>724993901
If a dude who could only draw with his mouth was able to get art in a video game (Rumble Roses), anything is possible.

>>724994504
Physical limitations are hardly a factor for artistic pursuits. It's only talent and connections that matter.

>>724993539 (OP)
/Ic/ and /v/ crossover

>>724993901
I’ve been able to draw since I was in kindergarten so I have no way of knowing if this is true, but I imagine it is. I’ve tried this book and absolutely hate it. It reminds me of being in art class as a kid and my teacher wanting me to use my thumb for perspective when I didn’t need to. While I absolutely believe this book can help someone draw who has no ability to do so, they’ll never be as good as me. If I gave a fuck to really pursue a career in drawing then sure this book could help refine my skills. I rather oil paint.

>>724993901
I was the doodler, I generate ai slop now.

>>724994269
scribblenauts spongebob edition

>>724994352
They are /ic/rabs, they do it for the (you)s

Freeze and put your vidya fanart where I can see it

>>724993539 (OP)
Drawing is the math of art. Music is significantly better because it isn't as autistically rigid in how you learn it.

>>724993901
also this

>>724993901
if I only did things that I thought I could be the best in the world at I'd probably suffocate instantly

Back when I was 10 my older brother used to shit on me because I did tracing
Everyone around me called "my" drawings amazing yet my brother saw through me and shat on me at every opportunity
Fast forward 20 years and I heard that tracing is actually a legitimate way to learn how to draw by tracing pose catalogues like pic related
Is this true?

>>724995289
Loomis is okayish for guidelines but even /beg/s outgrow it quickly

>>724998585
i wish i could get into it digitally but idk how

>>724998712
Kinda, it helps muscle memory and form building but you should ween yourself off of it with gesture and form practice
>>724998820
Get a cheap screenless tablet like wacom cintiqs or if you have an apple or samsung tablet get a pen and install their drawing software.

>>724998712
Yes, it helps to visualize what the human body is capable of and to build a mental catalog of poses

>>724993882
What I've found is how ANGRY people get if you grasp this and act on it, regardless of what it is. I'm not good at drawing, I don't like drawing outside of doodles, so I don't draw. You say that and get yelled at to keep at it, do it anyways and get good, but why would I torment myself? I know what I like and do that. I don't do things I find frustrating and unrewarding.

>>724998974
you can draw music? well okay

>>724999054
Well technically, sheet music is a thing

>>724999020
because you're basically admitting to being a bitch. it's that simple. the fact that you don't grasp means you've drowned in so much copium you've overdosed.
>oh this is hard? yeah i won't do that! i'm just being rational!
kek, kill yourself

>>724993882
Better to accept this early on and focus on what you're actually skilled at, rather than coping for decades

>>724998552
man I don't wanna go first

>>724999208
See? Every time! It makes people so mad.

>>724999275
sexxo. i like the sketch. what game shes from?

>>724998552
woah, easy there ratto

>>724998712
the real technique to train visualization is to draw the same pose multiple times. Trace it once (draw over), reference it once, then do it from memory)
>>724993882
weak mindset
low aura

>>724999208
Every piece of art you've ever seen that you thought looked good was from someone who was a natural.

>>724993882
anon, the easiest way to tell who will never make it in art, is to look for individuals who make useless bitching comments like yours

>>724999391
>sexxo
Thanks, it's Minami from Sushi Ben

>>724999397
what did you study to achieve this level

I don't resent people who draw, but it is a little exhausting these days how into their own collective mythos they get. I think there's an excessive cultural love and hate of art that's gotten too up its own ass for anyone's good. But then, AI has nuked all of that, so the conversation is never going to be sane or honest again.

>>724999397
Holy crackers!

Im almost done with the top right book, its my third or 4th artbook done overrall i think, i ve enjoyed it alot, drawing figures on a level I used to fantasize about is great, im drawing my waifus with big tits and lolis etc and its easy to me now

>begin drawing years ago
>draw for my fetish
>decent following
>making money off it this year
>still feel like giving up nsfw stuff to draw dream project
I cant be the only one who's felt like this. Right?

>>724993539 (OP)
I thought Loomis books were only to help
/begs/ to learn construction and get into figure drawing? Isn't there was better ways to learn to construct the head and human body like maybe Michael Hampton?

>>724999720
Fuck yeah anon keep going!

>>724999470
>>724999208
there's a really wonderful set of pages from Hanebado! that I can't find now but it addresses this sort of thing.

It likens talent to a pot of soil. You can't tell if there's a seed in it or anything at all, all you can do is nurture it every day and hope that one day it sprouts.

>>724999720
do you just try to copy all of the examples to the best of your ability?
i wanted to try that book but it kinda threw me off with how it quickly jumps into perspective at the start

>>724993901
Happened to me, studied and practiced for 10 years and my art was still shit i gave up and threw everything away in shame

>>724993539 (OP)
I dont bother learning how to draw
I just look at a picture and try to draw it to the best of my ability, that'a good enough for me

>go on gelbooru
>find monochrome art I like
>paste it into krita
>duplicate, make other copy invisible
>use the visible one as reference
>when I feel like I'm fucking up I unhide the one Im drawing over
>figure out where I'm fucking up and correct
>do this for ~30 minutes a day on weekdays before work and 1-2hrs on weekends
>recently been trying to draw mai waifu using just references in different angles
feels like I'm making some decent progress. Mostly figured out where every part of the face goes relative to one another at various angles.
Semi related but does anyone know of a decent pen pack for krita? All the default ones look kinda ass especially when you make the brush size larger.

>>725000018
All of them are ass
t. Krita user

>>724999275
very good

>>725000018
that good your using references. whos your waifu?

>>724993882
>>724993901
they say this shit isn't genetic but there's over 2 billion pajeets on earth and not a single one of us is a good artist
seriously just show me even one pajeet who can draw well
and all the best artists just happen to be extremely skilled musicians and programmers too
it's the most demotivating shit on the planet

>>725000018
krita sucks
the sooner you stop using open sores software the better, get off it anon

>>725000385
nobody seeds the latest copy of CSP

>>725000375
Just use AI like the rest of your parasitic people.

>>725000375
you had good sculptors after the Greeks came over to teach you how to do it

>>725000375
If you did nothing but focus on art/gamedev in your free time, I'd assume you'd have something to work with too.
Which is saying a lot considering we're on /v/ and waste our time either with vidya, or shitposting on this basket weaving forum.

>>725000428
i will never stoop to their level
i'd rather torture myself and keep making horrible worthless drawings until the day i die

>>724993901
A dude taught himself portraiture in 30 days I think you can get 80% of the way 'there' in two years. Kids and teens do not learn nearly as fast as adults do btw, a finished frontal lobe + experience really accelerates your ability to adapt quickly to new tasks. It's all about hours and instruction/feedback, and most adults just don't have the hours. If you don't believe me, kids take like ten years to not be retards at language and an adult can learn an adjacent language in 600 hours, and an alien language in 2k. The only own they have are phonemes, and that's able to be overcome with focus like everything else. Kids ain't shit when it comes to learning, we absolutely dominate those little fuckers.
https://youtu.be/M7bZdKKXbIs

If you intentionally tracked your time investment and followed a structured program you'd make huge strides very quickly and be able to do whatever you want in a reasonable amount of time.

>>724998552
Too early, ratto.
Have the one from last thread.

>>725000418
isnt the latest copy gimped restricting plugins and brushes unless you pay ta subscription?

>>725000548
I can't hate you because you keep posting my favorite mon. Keep trying anon, rise above your station.

>>725000587
I honestly don't know because when I went to check none of the CSP versions listed were being seeded

>>725000553
His day 1 drawing is better than anything most people will draw in their entire life.

>>724998712
It is if you trace a handful of times, then do it from memory, then redline it, over and over so you really learn the pose.

>>725000645
You didn't watch the video

>>725000901
I don't need to.

>>724993539 (OP)
>Finally read fun with a pencil
>It's encouraging and intuitive
>Draw 2 blooks and give up because they suck and I hate myself

How do I kill shame?

I cannot remember the last time I drew something based on a different game than my own. I only ever draw if I cannot easily come up with a design to model.
This, for instance, is a Goranthym.

>>724999859
Loomis tells you to get Perspective Made Easy if you can't grasp it in his book. PME does a better job at explaining it.

>>725001072
Draw more blooks

>>724993696
Pick scott robertson's how to draw book and learn to draw shapes from imagination, once you understand the basics you have much better time

>>725001072
Shame is a good thing, it prevents you from embarrassing yourself. Being rid of shame means becoming a debased fool, it's why all lolcows exist.

Just draw

>>725001608
Do NOT do this this anon is trying to get you to make mustard gas in your home. If you cannot draw DON'T try to learn or you'll end up in the hospital or WORSE

>>725001608
AAAAAIIIIEEEEEE SAVE ME LOOMIS-SAMAAA

>>724993539 (OP)
>>724993901
The intro's not even the hardest part, it's the mid game.
>Be naturally good at drawing in High School
>Lose all motivation to actually draw and practice outside of classes because i rather play vidya all day as soon as I get home.
>Graduate
>Stop drawing entirely because now I can just play video games all day

>>725001072
Draw blooks until you are good at them

>>725000375
Literally look at Hindu art lol but yeah, you modern jeets don't have that skill anymore

>>724993539 (OP)
Drawing is super easy to get into. Just fucking draw.
You don't need a fucking Cintiq to start drawing. Just get a pen of your choice and a piece of any kind of paper and have at it.

>>725002174
Even if you drew every day of your life, without talent it'll all be terrible.

>>725001781
In 100 years video games will be viewed the same as drug addiction

>game has too many tutorials
>many are poorly explained
>others expect you to have prior knowledge from a previous tutorial you've never seen
I'm being hyperbolic but not really.

>>724993539 (OP)
the point to learn drawing, when you can use ai for drawing with the same gaming pc. kek

>>724993539 (OP)
the real reason its not worth it isnt because you can never be good, its that art is a fucking worthless and gay skill. literally do anything else

>t. art anon

>>725002259
Not doing something because "i don't have talent" is fucking retarded, and not true strength.
You can learn anything at any point.

>>725002353
okay then animate her lifting her dress in ai. exactly. its censored and gets details murky than handdrawn

>>725002353
Mostly because it's fun. I'm not good at videogames either but I still play them

>>725002383
>You can learn anything at any point.
Blazing midwit take with zero basis in reality.

>>724993539 (OP)
is this some marketing bullshit? why is this kind of thread allowed?

>>725002526
You can be a limp-wrist defeatist for all I care.
Just don't drag others down to your level of misery.

>>725002594
Art is a game

>>725002654
Giving people false hope is worse than simply telling the truth.

>>725002174
technically true but drawing something well is not. That's not being defeatist that's being realistic.

>>725002695
>the truth

me whenever i try drawing something

>>725000018
>Semi related but does anyone know of a decent pen pack for krita? All the default ones look kinda ass especially when you make the brush size larger.

You are meant to customize the brush to your liking. Click the current brush's icon on the top and then go nuts.

>>725003128
One's drawing capabilities can be easily assessed before their age is even in the double digits. If you struggle to even start with something that others find natural, then you will naturally fail.

the only thing that annoys me about learning drawing is that asking for advice over the internet, people won't help you unless you act like you're frustrated about how unskilled you are
like you can't just be unskilled but casual about it
you must actively say "I am shit and I hate myself" so people will actually help you
if you don't they'll tell you first and wait for you to actively acknowledge it out loud before giving you constructive advice

>>725003509
Drawing is a skill that can be learned like anything else. Sure there are factors outside your control that could make it more difficult for you, but if you put the hours of practice in you will eventually get good at it.

>>725003834
>Drawing is a skill that can be learned like anything else.
You're assuming that everyone is a blank slate with the same innate abilities, which could not be further from the truth.

>>725003918
If I'm not a master of my craft in the span of 5 minutes, is it truly worth starting?
>goes back to spending 8 hours shitposting on 4chan, wondering why my skills don't exist, and going to bed

Imagine dedicating your whole life training a skill only for AIs to come out and now any person can "draw" whatever the fuck they want in 30 seconds

>>725003962
I've noticed when people shitpost harder than I can and get infinitely more (You)s with less words than me
what's the point

>>724993539 (OP)
Ai can just draw for me :3

>>725002658
Looks like it was drawn by a furry

>>725003934
You need to work on your reading comprehension.

>>724998552
FANART
Where's the FANART /v/?
Or else the rat might actually shoot!

>>724999597
Steve Huston, then Vilppu. Then I started going to evening figure sessions.
Honestly Huston was what really got my brain churning with figure drawing, before him I had no idea what I was doing.

>>725004171
i figured that was obvious. they're the experts for anthro stuff.

I think what what drawing such a hard skill to learn is the toxic perfectionist mindset. It's just so frustrating to constantly look at your work and see something that sucks. Was it that nigga Bukowski who said "Don't try?" It's probably good advice. If you just give up on saying things like "I will try to draw well today" and instead say "Today I will draw" it's likely you will be able to get good at drawing. Then you just draw. A lot.

>>725002594
>why is this kind of thread allowed?

>>725004185
any specific book/courses from huston?
i also tried vilppu stuff once but it felt pretty hard to grasp

I'm confident in my ability to learn absolutely anything else, but I have no idea how to get into drawing. It seems pretty much impossible unless you find it intuitive to at least some small extent. Every resource aimed at "beginners" seems to assume the reader has already more or less figured everything out for themselves already and just needs a few tips, but I need to be walked through the absolute basics that others managed to stumble their way through as little kids. I feel like I could spend my whole life trying to reinvent the skill out of nothing, and never manage to reach the level possessed by most ordinary people who don't even give a shit about drawing.

>>725003962
The masters of any craft could tell they were gifted from a young age. If you're just starting at something as an adult then you're already NGMI.

>>725004084
Ai can't draw exactly what floating in my head. Neither can I actually but I'm not interested in processed vomit.

>>725004246
The most important part of anything really is being disciplined enough to push through the obvious hurdle you will immediately face when you're not good at something.
There's also the hurdle of figuring out what aspects you should focus on first and ironing those out but I'm 'tarded so I can't offer anything there.

>>725004084
kys jeet

>>724998552
I never moved past stickmen

>>725004283
big mood. Like nothing clicks with this for me and i don't know why.

>>724998552
Do girls who play video games count

>>725004336
Yes but it's amplified for something like drawing because everything you do sucks and it doesn't feel like you get at "wins" to get the dopamine cycle going. You just have to trust the process, it's unthinkable to think that if you do something for a few thousands hours that you won't get good at it, unless you do in fact have some kind of intellectual disability.

>>725000553
WAGMI bros, great post anon

>>724999275
Would

>>724998552
I made this set for my oc donut steel worldbuilding project.

>>724998552
the mega is so cool

>>725003128
Based crypto natzi

>>725004483
the lil ogre calf looks like the kid orc from dungeon meshi

>>725000553
>>725004456
OH HEY THAT'S SCOTT YOUNG I'm literally reading his book right now. Didn't realise he documented his challenge too.

>>725004652
I know, I found the pose he strikes when he approaches Laios and the others while they are making bread to be adorable and sought to make something similar.

>>724998552
I been lurking enough I can post something and actually try and interact atleast with a thread for once. Seren sketch that isnt finished please insult it so I feel less awkward

>>725004279
>vilppu
I tried Vilppu first too and felt it was too advanced.
Vilppu assumes a working knowledge of figure drawing, even in his beginner courses.
Huston builds you up from basically nothing, probably the best instructor out there. He even intentionally makes mistakes (behinner pitfalls) and shows you how to fix them.
His book wasn't all that useful to me, I found his Beginner Figure Drawing series on NMA a godsend though.

I'd say go Huston, then Vilppu

>>725004283
The best way to deal with this problem would probably be to hire a private tutor and have them walk you through the baby's-first-doodle level basics for hours every day. Trying to do the loner autodidact thing to learn any skill when you are starting at absolute zero and don't find it intuitive will be extremely difficult and discouraging.

it's not the tutorials. i fucking hate realism so much and that's basically a required thing to do and learn. easier to commission other t b h

>>725004874
>Vilppu assumes a working knowledge of figure drawing, even in his beginner courses.
Nah. Download old VHS course (second one for drawing manual book) for example.

>>725004830
The head is flat in height and long in depth. The hair doesn't have appealing form, it's just a blob with some strands in it. The arm toward us lacks believable foreshortening. The pose is dull and uninteresting.

It's a great piece and I like it.

>>725004908
That's probably true, unfortunately. It's just hard to accept when learning new things is usually fun and effortless for me, even if it's something I don't have all that much interest in, since I like learning for its own sake. I've never just instantly hit a seemingly insurmountable wall when trying to pick up a new skill, and if drawing didn't exist I wouldn't think that was even possible.

any recommendations on composition? framed ink is pretty cool

>>725005136
Thanks I needed that :D

>>724993539 (OP)
>Advertisements in Bioshock.png

>>724993901
Nonsensical /ic/ black and white faggotry.

What level you can achieve and be happy with is entirely subjective.

>>725005539
>What level you can achieve and be happy with is entirely subjective.
Don't be delusional, everybody can tell when something sucks.

>>725005506
Learn to draw and draw more, you talented scrub

>>724993901
t.

>>725005512
this is true i checked

>>725004283
this
like bro i cant even draw a straight line

desu if you're able to write a decent/humorous story with whatever artstyle, your work will remembered more fondly than an artist with their skilled technical drawings.

>>725005967
Use a ruler. Most things in nature don't have straight lines anyways.
Visualization is a far more important fundamental than anything else anyways.

>>725006334
No one sucks writer's dicks tho

>>725005761
What the actual fuck is wrong with sharteens?

Goddamn, I was just expecting a stealth art thread on here, but it's all demoralization garbage. Is it just a crime to have fun in earnest without being fed doomer propaganda?

>>725004084
It gets boring real fast, and if you disagree you're low IQ and very impressionable.

>>725005662
Feeling of the drawing > technical skill.

Preferably you want both.
In any case,
You're autistic and lacking in artistic sense due to this. Otherwise you wouldn't go out and demoralize people like this.

>>724993539 (OP)
I want to learn to draw. But WHERE do I practice? As in, do I just get some paper and draw on my desk? Should I get like a slanted thing to hold sketch book?

Is 25 too old?

>>725001308
Is the full title "How to Draw: drawing and sketching objects and environments from your imagination"? Because that's the only thing I could find online.

>>725006623
>Feeling of the drawing > technical skill.
More performative midwit bullshit nobody believes.

>>725006779
By a notebook, pencil and an eraser and just doodles stuff.

>>725006779
If you have to ask then it's already over.

>>725006779
>Is 25 too old?
Nope.

Wacom One M standard paper size screenless tablet costs 60-80 bucks. Wear paper on top of it. Krita is free drawing program.

>>725004305
Cutesexyrobutts started drawing at the age of 28 and his drawings are amazing.

>>725006917
I'm sure he drew things when he was younger that showed obvious signs of innate talent that anyone can detect.

>>725006835
You're autistic. You don't understand nuance or soul. It makes your art terrible.

Keep grinding though I'm sure you'll get there someday.

>>725005967
When I need to draw a straight line I often end up with my hand on the undo button and redrawing it a dozen times. It helps to zoom out a lot so you can do it in one quick stroke.

>>725004084
Do using AI image gen actually get what they want out of it? As in, the specific image they have in their head
I use it for chatbot shit since I don't want to draw something out every time I make a new bot/persona, but it can be a struggle to get it to do what I want. I've had to just draw what I mean anyway and tell the AI to pretty it up (to varying degrees of success)

>>725006994
Were you there watching him draw when he was young?

>>725007157
You don't need to have been there. This is the case for literally anyone decent at art.

>>725005967
howie posters need to be shot

>>725004214
fuck you grubbo im stealing this image

are azn jeans a myth? i wanna draw like azns but i aint got them jeans. ive seen images depicting their evolution. they go from children doodles to professional level in a year

>>724998552
wip that was meant to be finished for halloween but..

>>725007846
and i forgot the fucking catbox link great
https://files.catbox.moe/3gfzio.png

>>725007790
if you dont got the azn jeans its over already, just hope you are born azn in the next life and with the appropriate pants

>>725007790
I'll put it to you like this: I had a calendar one year for a local initiative to keep our state's beaches clean. Each month had a drawing by a student from local elementary schools. The two drawn from the Japanese school (which I didn't even know was a thing prior to this) completely mogged the other months so hard it wasn't even funny. I instantly could tell it was Japanese art.

>>725008024
What type of art did it look like? Realism or anime?
I'd imagine they were referencing either way, which is sort of impressive for an elementary student.

>>725008004
Nice looking thighs. Could be thicker but still nice.

>>725008564
The others were barely coherent flat drawings of families and littering, which was expected. The Jap ones both featured octopuses and other fish being harmed by garbage and were amazing in comparison. They were all kinda cartoony looking.

I have been practising drawing my entire life, and exprct to come along and be good at it day one? Practice for the next 20 years then get back to me. Fucking wannabe.

Don't be discouraged by the gap between your taste in art and your skill in making it.

>>725007790
I feel like it's less to do about the genes and more just to do with the differences in culture. If you grow up in japan land then you're growing up with cutesy mascots, more proportional cartoon characters, interpretive traditional artwork, trendy fashion is their own, their cities and traditional architecture look at a certain way, that kind of stuff. If you're growing up in the west, then mascots tend to be more funny looking, as are the cartoon characters, most traditional artworks are realistic depictions, etc.
I figure that will affect a developing brain into tending towards putting a certain look to the paper. Nothing you couldn't train out of yourself with enough effort though probably

>>725007343
like hell you are

>>725004084
Utterly souless being that never entered the flow state with "the process"
feel bad for you.
you will never experience the feeling of things just clicking together and everything just makes sense

>>725004084
>can't play shooter vidya because aimbotters exist
It's fine if all you care about is the end result I guess, but it's just fundamentally something different from how most people here engage with art.

>>725005967
When I tried to get into drawing, making decent lines is the only thing I managed to achieve. It would've been encouraging if I managed to figure out even a single thing about the actual process of drawing or how to depict things with lines. In most cases I suspect I was trying to mark almost the exact opposite things I should have with lines, like highlights and the parts of the subject closest to the camera/viewer.

you should stop replying to obvious bait niggers
if ai is mentioned in a drawing thread it's bait everytime

>>725007790
Dunno about jeans, but their culture gives them a good start. Wacky Kanji and shit from early childhood. Being surrounded by animu all their life. And most importantly, their culture enforces docility and dedication. Meaning they'll practice until they get soars and calluses on their hands, then they'll practice harder. While whitebois and whoever else will start, get distracted, then frustrated, quit, rinse and repeat.
Talent and jeans play a huge role, but success is ultimately derived from actually doing shit, not whining on Mongolian basket weaving bazaars.

>>725010226
wtf grubbo!?!? you cant do sh

>>724998552
Is it fan art if I draw a friend's IG post?

>>725004084
I'm sure you feel the same at chess and CSGO cheaters that will play and aim better than any human ever will

Draw boob

>>725004283
Eh, you're not really supposed to read books on how to draw. I know it's the thread topic and people do it, but yeah, most artists just intuitively do it. The "getting good" part usually comes after you've just done it for a long time and kinda like it on a certain level. I used to draw a lot up through high school, but then I stopped for years and I didn't pick it up again seriously until my mid 20s. And even then I didn't read lengthy books on it per se. Consciously improving at it was more like an "augmenting" process where I took what already felt natural and made it better gradually by observing and thinking and working through problems.
But to get to a point where it even makes sense to "get good" you have to be basically interested in it or at least not constantly freaked out by it. Most latecomers are trying to speedrun it and it doesn't work.

>>724999397
>draw a man's body
>put a girl's head on it
Pretty based.

>>724993539 (OP)
I gave up some years and ago but every now and then i get this massive urge to grab a pencil and start doodling just to be reminded that i cannot in fact draw for shit. I honestly wish i never stopped trying....

>>725012065
It's fine anon, you have to do some shit drawings before you can make good ones

>>725012589
You can still tell a shit drawing from someone talented but no experience. If you don't got it then you just don't got it.

>>725012065
You can. You just expect too much quality for your current skill level

Can I drive like an F1 pilot or cook like a Michelin chef? Fuck no. Because I haven't been training for years at being good at that.

You are the same. You can't expect to draw good if you don't have the mileage. Embrace your shittyness and be happy with your progress, from lv1 to level 2, from level 5 to 6, instead of despairing that you aren't lv80 from the get go

>>725006817
Yes
You don't need to finish the book either just understand his method and simplify it

>>725006572
Kek, in /v/, it's the only kinda thread that expects you to chase clout and coin from doing it. Also, you need to get sweaty and super tryhard in this drawing hobby, especially in threads like this. Just do the needful and support your art friend (if you have any) from local. Simple as

>>724993539 (OP)
I would love to have more time to draw and especially to study drawing, I really don't understand lineart and how people make lineart look as good as they do, it feels like whenever I attempt it, the picture ends up losing its "feel"? I don't know how to describe it

>>724993882
>>724993901
lol, peak loser mentality. With that you never had a chance to make it in the first place.

>>725014082
Some people are natural born legends, some are natural born losers. Which do you think is on /v/ at 4AM?

>>724993539 (OP)
I almost missed this thread because, honestly, the catalog is at an all time low.

>>724993696
>>724993539 (OP)

It's mote in the the eyes than in the hands. To learn to actually see rather than fill in details with your mind.
Keys to drawing is a good entry point book.

But know that once you become good the whole affair becomes soulless to practice.

>>725015203
It's *more in the eyes...

>>725014252
only godlike degen artists would draw at late at night

>>724993539 (OP)
Do people just want to learn to draw porn?

>>725011826
I'm not really even trying to get good, though. I'm trying to work out the absolute bare basics, and I would be happy to reach the skill level of an ordinary person with no interest in art. If I had any hope of doing that without help, that would be great, but I find drawing to be the single most unintuitive skill in existence, hence why I turned to books. Unfortunately, drawing also seems to be the only skill that is never taught from the beginning, either because that's so rarely needed or because the foundation of it is actually some sort of unexplainable intuition.

When I was asked to draw as a kid, I generally just scribbled mindlessly on the paper, because I couldn't even imagine a process that would result in a drawing of the subject. That's still pretty much where I am now, except I learned how to copy drawings and reproduce simple symbols.

>>725015297
They want to learn to draw to escape real life.
While doing it they can say they're doing something, but they're avoiding going out into real life.

It takes like 5 years minimum to become decent enough to be interesting.
But those are also 5 years where you could've done something else.

>>725015297
I did but I got tired of it
Plus gooners are annoying

>>725015549
>It takes like 5 years minimum to become decent enough to be interesting.
Those with actual talent will only take a few months, if that.

>>724998552
Done for a thread about romance options in vidya.

>>725005967
this may have been an issue 20 years ago. but now there are tools that help with that. in clip studio paint there is a slider that let's you adjust stabilisation. it means your lines will appear much smoother, ignoring jittery inputs.
art is much easier to excel at today with all the tools that are available. you don't necessarily even need to learn construction with primitives, and can instead just pose a 3D model and trace over it.
it's important not to overly rely on such tools though, constructing with primitives will allow you to eventually draw anything without needing a visual reference, much like kim jung gi.
many people don't fail at art because it's difficult, they fail because they don't commit to it.

>>725015549
>But those are also 5 years where you could've done something else.
Like what? Learning any skill takes time. If he had just been passively consuming content and slop instead he would just be equally miserable and bored but also skill-less.
You have to choose things in which to specialize and in which you will waste your time. And it's better for it to be something useful. I'd rather talk with someone that does anything, be it cooking, drawing, playing an instrument, etc, rather than talk to some doomscroller netflix and social media addict

>>725015629
I tried copying Julius Zimmerman for a while, but decided against it due to my morality. :-)

>>725015549
A year is enough. If you have true interest, a year is all it takes. I've heard people equating this to playing violine, it's gonna fucking suck hard, harder than any other instrument, but once you understand it and grasp a feel for it, be it a year or two, it becomes instinct. You still won't play well, because you're still going by instinct, you only will get there once you make that instinct perceptible.

>>725015652
>ask other artists and art friends on 4chan and discord
>not a single one has talent so it took them atleast 5-10 years to get to their actual level
talent isn't real get over yourself.old masters were geniuses of their time trained by the previous generation of art geniuses and it still took them 10 + years

Attention all no draws; start drawing now. The process might take forever
The learning curve seems infinite
But it's very rewarding
T. Three years of doodling my own furry waifu

>>725015665
why does this feel like fetish art

>>725015549
>5 years minimum
maybe if you only have a couple hours a week. if you commit 2 hours a day, you can reach such a level within a year.

>>725015297
I want to draw because I feel creative. I'm not able translate that onto paper though

>>725015906
kek delusional faggot

>>725015858
>4chan and discord
>not a single talented individual
Sounds about right.

>>725015986
yeah old master were 4channers too

>>725015676
you could get a job also. Make money to have commodities.
That way if you like someone you can invite them somewhere.
You can get enough money to move out of your parent's house, etc.

>>725004084
What's even the point of lifting when forklifts exists...