Thread 724996214

What creates this..... "situation"

>>724996214 (OP)
kys deltatroon, your game is trash

I'm a professional sprite artist and if you understand pixel theory at all you would understand that the left image looks better

>>724996328
Nah

undertale was heavily marketed to autistic "people", who can be convinced of anything, as they are not sentient and cannot detect deceit / manipulation / etc. they are a domesticated slave cattle tier of human

>>724996214 (OP)
i highly doubt a single person has ever called undertale the citizen kane of video games. please cite one example
this is the weakest of ragebait. not a bad concept but go back to discord and brainstorm a better jpg please

>>724996285
you first, your favourite game will never be the next citizen kang.

>>724996214 (OP)
trannies

>>724996463
autists are literally immune to propaganda you stupid fuck

R-Type Leo isn't a "random game". It's R-Type!
R-Type!

>>724996328
>pixel theory

>>724996214 (OP)
Making games as a studio has become unfeasible for whatever reason, so the only good games that can be made are being made by solo devs. A solo dev will almost always lack at least one essential skill for game development.

>>724996328
Well I'm a professional eye haver and I think you're stupid.

>>724996214 (OP)
Nobody remembers the right, since it lacks any personality.

>>724996214 (OP)
Low IQ fans of the left one

>>724998643
Its literally the other way around. Look how easily autists are groomed into becoming trannys.

>>725001435
Anon I'm talking about actual studies not your feefees
psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-fallible-mind/201708/why-advertising-falls-flat-in-individuals-autism/amp

>>724996214 (OP)
I agree that older 2D games looked a lot better than what we get now, but your comparison is both disingenuous and irrelevant.
Undertale isn't successful because of its graphics, and there are indie games that look much better.

>>724996214 (OP)
Pixel art rn is skill/budget limitation back then it was technical limitation.

>>724996214 (OP)
You are not entitled popularity for your effort.

>>724996214 (OP)
"Citizen kaine."
Anyway, Undertale was made by very small team, with Toby getting help on few key parts of the visuals. Meanwhile R-Type was made by team of professionals who had perfected their craft through several years of doing it.

>>724998643
No, they're just more resistant to certain forms of it
By the way, the quickest way to fall for propaganda is to tell yourself you're immune to it, retard.

>>725001704
Wow Anon you are so smart and clever, I just sent you Reddit Gold!

>>725001527
>I'm immune to propaganda!
>look at this ACTUAL STUDY
lmao

>>725001767
Don't say stupid things if you don't want to be corrected by people who know better

>>725001825
upvoted again good sir

>>725001858
Fantastic argument you have.

>>724998817
>irem trash

>>724996328
Whatever uni you studied at...I think they ripped you off.

>>725002151
>he thinks we're having an argument
This isn't Twitter, faggot. I don't owe you shit and there's nothing you can do to change my mind. Think of me when your head hits the pillow tonight, fairy.

Citizen Kane introduced a shitton of narrative and technical feats to cinema that are still being used to this day, for better or worse
Citizen Kane is Half-Life 2

>>724996214 (OP)
>game on the right is repetitive space shooter trash where you die in one hit or whatever till your continues run out
>game on the left is a narrative experience with the best story in gaming

not hard to figure out :)

The Citizen Kane of gaming is FF7 Rebirth.

>>725002245
I already knew you were incurably retarded anon, you don't have to brag about it. It's just funny how quickly you crumpled and resorted to shitposting to protect your fragile ego

>>725001435
>be autist
>forces to conform to retarded shit by normies
>just be a woman anon
>get all the privilige
>get literally zero downsides
>get more social weightclass than niggers
>can larp as a cute anime girl and be validated by women who are too afraid to lose their social credit.
Mate this isn't being fooled by propaganda, this is picking the winning class.
Source: I am autist from the country where trans stuff is banned and therefore I did not choose to be trans. I do think brisket is better if he considers himself a man. I do crossdress into a touhou girl to validate an occasional convention. I am not retarded enough to belive I can pull off a cute anime girlie look irl

Unless we are talking cases like Chris Chan. We autists are bound by rules. Taught rules. If you gaslight us into rejecting rules of material world aka science in favor of made up bullshit then yeah, we are actual drones.

>>724996328
How and why did you get replies that believed you

>>725002436
>best story in gaming
play more games

>>724996214 (OP)
Taste-making gaming "journalists" Astroturfing a game that agrees with all of their ideas about gamers and why they're so "toxic."
>>725002558
>I did not choose to be trans
>I do crossdress
So the first part was a lie.

>>724996214 (OP)
>Citizen Kane
Was it the most visually intensive movie with best special effects when it came out? No. Undertale never claimed to even have good art. Tho many failures of fangames and fan characters do highlight that it has incredible knack for memorable character designs. I need more games with thundere planes.

>>725002607
recommend games with better stories anon
But yeah Undertale got me hooked ever since the moment it tricks you into killing goat mom and then says it knows i've reloaded. Most videogames don't even remotely pay that much attention to player actions, the closest moment I've ever had in another game is Deus Ex recognizing early kill of the cyber bitch as valid.

>>724996328
>pixel theory

>>725002558
>Mate this isn't being fooled by propaganda, this is picking the winning class
This is a sad cope. A ton of autists get completely swallowed by leftist dogma. They might be strong against some forms of propaganda but they have a crippling weakness to others
>t. also an autist

>>725002620
It really hurt your feelings when I challenged your nonsense didn't it?
That's good, hopefully you'll learn from it after all

>>725002773
>They might be strong against some forms of propaganda but they have a crippling weakness to others
Right, like the one that has been dominating Western culture, in some form or another, for centuries.

>>725002558
So what do you think it means to be trans? Genuine question since most trans posters I see are on the other side of the Bridget argument because their perspective on being trans is "When a man likes cute things, the only way to fix him is force fem". If you don't think liking crossdressing makes Bridget trans, what does make someone trans?

>>725002824
keep the (You)s coming gay boy

>>724996214 (OP)
>that ship
Was phallus an arcade game first? I only now it from the Uncle Banjo cover art.

>>725002773
>They might be strong against some forms of propaganda but they have a crippling weakness to others
What a lack of organized religion and strong community ties does to a motherfucker. Nothing more than a resource that exists to be consumed by a greedier entity hellbent on dominance.

>>724998643
Autists don't have real emotions so they're immune to most propaganda unless convincing statistics are attached.

>>725002773
Define propaganda. I feel that modern american left is less of a targeted conspiratorial propaganda machine and more of a cascade of interlinked failures. Ever seen russian/ukranian news? Or even old soviet stuff. Now THAT shit is pure delicious propaganda.
But ultimately all people just flock to whoever validated them. Only difference is the form of validation.

>>725002558
>this is picking the winning class.
Everyone who falls for propaganda does so because they think it helps them win in some way.

>>725002952
autists have emotions there's just an additional processing later between input and response, rather than the normalfags response of just immediately doing what your emotions tell you to

>>724996214 (OP)
Indie game made by some dipshit in their basement lacks talent and uses 8bit as an excuse to do less

>>725002958
>Define propaganda.
Propaganda is when someone makes a tweet or has an opinion.

>>724996214 (OP)
Budget.

>>725002854
>So what do you think it means to be trans?
It's when someone responds to my post and I disagree with them, that's the baseline for trannyism.

>>725003006
Autists have frustrated and slightly less frustrated and that's about it. They can't empathize at all.

>>725002958
>less of a targeted conspiratorial propaganda machine and more of a cascade of interlinked failures
Why not the existence of the former, which has existed since the coordinated fall of Western Riyal Families, and its sympathy for the latter?

>>725002854
I am going by definition trans people provide: feeling pain when doing things associated with male stuff. "Having female aligned brain be rejected by the male body" I don't recall Bridget displaying that therefore transitioning here makes no sense.

The annoying thing I keep witnessing is that dumb people just cast the widest possible net to distort this rather specific definition for their own purposes.

The same way they distort the rather specific crimes related to the ped and nazi stuff. No dear twitter, liking lollies or literally any other sort of completely imaginary fetish doesn't make someone worthy of any attention, as it's a victimless crime

>>725003176
empathy is not an emotion

>>724996214 (OP)
Both look fine to me. Are we really comparing the work of a one-guy-does-all indie project, versus a small Japanese team with a dedicated pixel artist who isn't juggling every other design department simultaneously?

>>725003192
It doesn't help that they distort terms even farther. Transitioning should never have used sex terms and instead stuck to gender. "Man to Woman" instead of "Male to Female" because it just muddies the discussion even further to let things be worded so delusionally.

>>725003176
actually they can logically perceive other's emotions and put themselves in other's shoes. They do have difficulties seeing them on face/voice and they can't get contaminated by them through exposure, they don't mirror stuff.

>>725003305
but men are male and women are female

>>725003221
I never said it was? I said autists only experience a spectrum of frustration which is why they can't empathize with us humans.

>>725003305
Man to woman and male to female sound interchangeable to me as non native, just stick the word gender everywhere please. Or the old style left been proposing before trans infestation: just nuke gender norms.

>>725003373
autists most definitely have the same spectrum of emotions as normalfags, they just can't read those emotions in others from social cues

>>725003365
I don't disagree but for the purpose of throwing them a bone, I think it was a mistake to use even more dishonest terminology.

>>725003192
Wouldn't nearly all men be trans then? Gender norms right now suck. If a man show any positive emotion he's a faggot or weird, and if he shows any negative emotion other than anger he's weak.
>>725003305
Yeah. It's hard to talk about trans stuff at all because marxists following have tried to co-opt it to push their "Words mean nothing and rationality is a lie made up by the man to keep you down" critical theory.

>>725003192
>I am going by definition trans people provide
That's really fucking cute. Now use the definition they act on.
>dumb people just cast the widest possible net to distort this rather specific definition for their own purposes
It's almost like the definition they "provide" is just a massive motte and bailey, or something.
>liking lollies [sic] or literally any other sort of completely imaginary fetish doesn't make someone worthy of any attention
Correct, it makes them worthy of social ostracization. Perhaps a colony in the middle of barren nowhere just for them.

>>724996214 (OP)
Retarded niggas don't understand basic pixel theory in this thread and it shows. Right image is pixel slop, left is clarity of vision

>>725003425
>for the purpose of throwing them a bone
You mean giving them an inch, which they'll use to take everything from here to Pluto.

I hate undertale faggots so damn much

>>724996328
You can't draw anything more elaborate, we know

>>725001584
This

>>725003459
Honestly I have no fucking idea. The way normies have culture is pure nonsense to me. I know that in animals males are the beautiful ones, so something from Napoleon times rolling in programmer socks, high heels and in a wig makes much more sense to me than bald tshirt wearers liking trucks.

But yeah, as you have correctly observed, it's mainly men that go trans for those exact reasons.

>>724996214 (OP)
Ok, but who's the "Citizen Bane" of videogames?

>>725003459
>It's hard to talk about trans stuff at all because marxists following have tried to co-opt it
Why would they co-opt something they started?

>>725003459
"Gender norms suck." Anti-christ tranny nigga. Men are meant to convey strength and unemotional rationality.

>>725003464
man your buthurtness over twitter faggot drama is valid but not what I'm talking about.

I'm referring to nerdy depressive contemplative type of transfems, the ones that disappear for a year and then make a metal gear solid video essay and at the end say "I'm trans now btw" THEIR definition, not blue hair and pronouns karens

>>725003737
Dude you can't pretend that men are less emotional than women. Anyone can tell they experience more emotions and more feelings overall. Men would explode from periods and childbirth the same way we die from slight rise in body temperature. If you don't accept your emotions, they will control you except you wouldn't even notice that.

>>725003795
>your buthurtness [sic] over twitter faggot drama
Where?
>not what I'm talking about
You're the one who made it up.
>I'm referring to nerdy depressive contemplative type of transfems
>not blue hair and pronouns karens
And they agree, so how do you include one and exclude the other?

>>725003642
Normie culture is completely busted on every level. Everyone must reason out what is right for themselves.
>>725003737
Jesus cried and kissed his homies. That doesn't mean he's gay, that was just normal. I agree that there are some virtues where are important for every man to possess, but current society is elevating the wrong ones and it's driving many men to kill themselves or full time larp as girls.

Has anyone really praised undertale for its graphics. I though it's main draw was it's characters

>>725004106
Nobody has.

>>725004106
It is main draw is it is story, which is a postmodernist, deconstructivist take on old-school, turn-based RPGs, and how fantasy violence against monsters allegedly makes gamers "toxic," all in the year following the campaign to declare gamers dead.

What else happened in 1992?

>>725001527
Ok, here is the actual science for you on social science in general and how there is 75% or greater chance that any given study you pick from any social science field but especially psychology....is faked. Not able to replicate, total bullshit, often with literally made up numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

Now go ahead and make the most smooth brain reply you can like your type always does "if you don't trust scientific studies then why are you using a study to prove it!
I know you want to

Autists are very conceited and are forever blowing smoke up their own asses about how they're better than normal people.
This makes them very easy to manipulate.

>>725004492
game: hey I am actually real please don't kill me it would be fucked up

you, somehow: wow this game sure hates gamers doesn't it for killing imaginary things

It's like calling DokiDoki or Miside dumb because their yandere 4th wall breaking character isn't ACTUALLY REALLLY real

>>724996214 (OP)
You being a disingenuous spamming retard. Kill yourself, modern indie games mog your clunky ugly classics

>>725004631
or I could just call you a gay nigger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992?lang=en
>mfw

>>725004513
I punched Monica in the face in the first grade for saying I was lying when I wasn’t. I instantly realized girls are weaker and I did a bad thing. Sometimes I still feel bad about it

>>725004654
hey if everyone around did illogical nonsense and constantly pestered you with useless shit like "good weather today" and "how are you" or worse, straight up not speaking what they mean dropping random hints - (You) too would think everyone else is a retard. I am pretty sure everyon on /v is an autist anyway, cause it's not a normie thing to gather to such a place. Anon, try taking a test.

>>724996214 (OP)
substance

>>724996214 (OP)
>citizen kaine

>>725003665
Stranger of Paradise

>>725004685
>hey I am actually real
Yes, this is what they believe. That state-funded "Ideas Channel" that was totally organically successful in the 2010s made a whole video about how Harry Potter is real---before the attempted Unpersoning of its author, of course.
>this game sure hates gamers [...] for killing imaginary things
What is the "Genocide" route?

>>725004834
See what I mean? No capacity for self-analysis, assumes he's smarter than everyone around him.

>>725005056
the game basically explores what if game was real and what effect it would have on characters. It explains to you that flowey became genocidal due to being stuck in a time loop aka replaying the same game over and over and over and lost all empathy. Just like a gamer would trying to squeeze everything from the game. Genocide route is horrifying portrayal of how it would look for the characters and also a spoof of creepypasta. The game doesn't have morals of "actually killing npcs is bad" it has basic bitch most generic christian morals. Idk why you don't get the degree of separation between (You) and characters

An autist is easy to fool. Whatever you want him to do, just trick him into thinking they came up with it himself.

>>725005312
>lost all empathy. Just like a gamer
Yes, that's why the "Gamers Are Dead" clique of alleged "journalists" took to it so much. You have it, but you ignore it.
>it has basic bitch most generic christian [sic] morals
And with the current Pope, look how good those are...
>you don't get
Ah, yes, the "you're too stupid/misinformed/Media Illiterate™ to understand it because your view of it is heretical to the hivemind" response. No, I get it perfectly, and I get the ghoulish agenda that it seeks to empower, hence the "journalists" and other so-called "taste-makers" gravitating towards and promoting it.

>>724996214 (OP)
>mostly-solo dev doing everything and extra work allocated to sprites is less work in what makes his game memorable
>full-time sprite artist working solely on sprites, bottlenecked by programmers so plenty of time to bikeshed the art assets even though there's marginal effect on the game
also left is much easier to parse, 1 figure on left, 2 guys on right, background is easy to identify as less important to the scene
undertale is a strong contender for the best-developed game out there with respect to the assets and skillset of the dev

>>724996214 (OP)
Being made by one person who used Earthbound as an inspiration.

>>725005729
then does deus ex promote the same ghoulish agenda? Cause it too has consequnces. Does every game where you can pick bad behavior that will have consequences promotes an agenda? Does spiderman web of shadow does? Where you are rewarded with killing black cat in one route and rewarded with sexing black cat in another IIRC.

It's actualy really difficult to discuss morals in games like that cause the consequences aren't morally focused generally but merely a logical extension of your actions. Even in sctrict morally polarized games like Fallout series where you literally have karma.

Like to me Undertale literally game about variety of consequences, not punishing or chastising you in any way. The best most hype moments of the game are evenly split both between genocide and true pacifist route. Actually scratch that, all the hundreeds of neutrals do end in omega flowey, which is hype too. Can you like elaborate why you think the game is pushing an agenda at all

>>725004106
>gameplay is shit
>graphics and art are shit
>music is shit
>story is shit
How did this horrendous "game" become so popular and praised?
It's easily a 3/10 shovelware.

>>725006035
Not liking things isn't a personality.

>>724996328
>I'm a professional sprite artist

>>725006035
>gameplay is actually perfect being an easier bullet hell with frequent pauses giving shit ton of personality to every enemy so anyone besides nerds can enjoy it
>motion graphics in battle are alright sometimes, photoshop flowey is sick
>music is sonic tier, sfx work makes the shit graphics not matter cause it just sells the space so well
>story is extremely clever
By having as much souls as Pathalogic, while also being actually fun to play, anon

>>724996328
It doesn't, actually.

>>725006014
>does deus ex promote the same ghoulish agenda?
Does it have you playing as a "non-binary" child, sparing monsters who try to kill you no matter what while the only other human you meet is made out to be a psychopath for having the correct reaction to such creatures?
>Can you like elaborate why you think the game is pushing an agenda at all[?]
Can, like, you, like, read, like, the, like, above, like, passage?

>>724996328
You're a dunce who knows nothing.

>>724996328
>troon can't tell left from right. embarrassed for you unc, retard ahh moment

>>724996214 (OP)
I hope you know "citizen kaine of gaming" doesnt mean that its a good game. Citizen Kaine is a terrible movie. its revered for its camera work, and pushing the medium forward, not for the actual film

>>724998643
The exact opposite.
You aren't goddamn Rain Man

>>725007105
>retarded take
>can't spell the name of one of the most famous movies of all time
Checks out lol

>>724996328
Anon that wasn't pixel theory that was brail. You were at a uni for the blind

Reminder that /v/ loved this game when it came out and only started to hate it when it got popular, like some hipsters.

>>724996214 (OP)
Your mother choosing to circumcise you.

>>724996328
perhaps dancing around semantics here but you and i both know that the way you put this is condescending. anyone with eyes can tell you that the pixel art on the right took leagues more time, effort, and understanding then what is on the left. but these are still images, they are not indicative of the true context. in terms of readability as a realtime video game, i understand your point completely, in motion the right would go to shit especially at high speeds whereas the left remains clear throughout.
it does take a deeper understanding to know that the left works better for a video game than the right, but almost without question right 'looks better' than the left in this still image comparison and you know it.

>>724996328
You didn't post your work with This b8 post.

>>724996214 (OP)
It's baffling that Undertale is the one that took off when so many 2010s indie RPGs are miles better

>>725010678
why? it was made by someone who was already an established eceleb before he even made the kickstarter.

Fuck you, hijacking the thread:
What shmups should I try after finishing zeroranger if I want to ease myself into more difficult shmups? I'd like to improve at them.

>>725010678
Undertale has a lot of flaws, but it arguably hit the sweet spot better than any of the others imho. Especially in the niche it was a part of. I love OFF, LISA, OneShot, Hylics (2) and all that stuff, I think they're really great and I think they each do certain things way better than Undertale did. They all lack a certain element of polish that I'd argue is Toby's strongest skill even more than his music. People talk a lot about how indie games feel different than professional studio games, and Undertale managed to feel like a lost SNES gem. The super basic art helps because it feels cohesive throughout as a deliberate style choice. Not an RPG, but I'd say that game FAITH has an authentic forgotten gem feel to it for similar reasons.
With a lot of indies you can just feel that they didn't have the budget to realize their true vision. By keeping things simple, Undertale was able to feel like a complete project fleshed out to the fullest of the artists intentions.

>>725010017
can't wait for /v to start hating on shitsong

>>725012851
I don't agree with your premise in the slightest. It feels like the amateur game maker project that it is.

>>725013059
amateur game maker projects don't have fucking adaptive difficulty curve like RE4. They have non playtested bosses and enemies that are way too hard and do way too much damage and insane difficulty spikes and overcomplicated patterns. Cause amateur devs couldn't care less about end user experience. If amateur games were like undertale then professional games would be absolutely eldrich mindrape awesome, not worse

>>725004736
It's funny you brought that up, because poor old OP was raped and gaped by niggers in blue hoodies in the blistering hot summer of 2015, which is why he makes this thread daily. Shades of Kevin R. Nash in the summer of '92.

>>724996328
>professional sprite artist
>pixel theory

>>725010678
Name 5

>>725010821
I dont know what the fuck is going on in this thread but Einhander is fucking cool

>>725004513
Noelle was raped