Thread 725002272

what am I in for? whats the best way to navigate the time limit?

>t. balding millenial who finally played OOT (it was 10//10)

>>725002272 (OP)
If you already played OOT, this game is like a long-winded sidequest to OOT. It has nothing new of its own to share, basically reused assets from OOT. Devs were too afraid to continue with OOT and go further, landing on this crap.

Don't worry about the time restraints. Enjoy, and play Song of Time as often as you like.
There is nothing challenging about it.

>already played oot
then you're already in a good spot. Best advice for you is to explore and talk to as many NPCs as you can. You'll find your way.

> > A A v v
v A > v A >

>>725002272 (OP)
You're in for a slower burn OoT despite the time limit with a worse camera and lots of waiting.

>>725002272 (OP)
>what am I in for
A ride
>whats the best way to navigate the time limit?
Just play the inverted song of time, you learn it from the scarecrow in the room with colored stairs 3 hours is more than enough to do all the shit you need in one cycle.

>>725002272 (OP)
>whats the best way to navigate the time limit?
Play the Song of Time backwards.

>>725002715
What's worse about the camera? Isn't it the exact same?

>>725002803
No, it lags behind a bit so when you do a quick Z press to change direction, you'll get spun around.

The game's depressing realistic and it captures the feeling of accepting the inevitable and hopelessness almost too well.

>>725002372
Neck yourself

>>725002372
fpbp

>>725003078
Yeah. it's seriously a timeless classic.

>>725003078
I love this about the game. Seeing how different villagers react to the inevitable apocalypse was always neat and pretty sad. I remember the dude who basically had a mental breakdown and took refuge in a cave thinking he'd be saved, it made me think a lot as a kid where or what I would do in that situation. I think I settled on gathering as many NPCs as possible, calling the great turtle up, and riding as far into the sea as possible lol.

>>725002372
yet somehow it has a more memorable atmosphere and story to tell, weird how that works

what the fuck theres a song to invalidate the time limit? what the hell is the point then? alright whatever Im gonna stop being a fag and just play it already

The Bank in West Clock Town keeps track of your deposits even after you roll back the clock, so always dump everything in there before you reset.

>>725003462
You get to invalidate the time limit after your first go but then it becomes a game where you're the only one who gets to escape a doomed world
Also remember that back then games with a time cycle at all were few and far between so time itself was a pretty new mechanic

>>725003462
Not invalidate, just lengthen.
You get twice as much time, which is going to be invaluable when you hit Stone Tower Temple.

>>725003462
there's one dungeon that could literally take you the full 3 days even with the song on your first run. have fun with that.

>>725003462
>hat the fuck theres a song to invalidate the time limit? what the hell is the point then?
The time limit is less about challenging you to do things within a strict time frame, and more there so the NPCs can have set routines over the 3 days.

>>725002272 (OP)
Play the song of time backwards to slow time. Go to the swamp and make as much progress to the dungeon. If you get to the dungeon and feel like you won't complete it before the cycle ends restart and then you have three days for the dungeon. As long as you unlock the songs/items in a cycle they stay with you when you restart, so you're making progress, time isn't a factor, it's really just there to give the NPC's a schedule. Always put your money in the bank before going back in time. If you know what you're doing you can complete the whole game in one cycle after returning to human form without exploits. I did several times when i was younger.

>>725003698
Shit I took 3 days on almost all the dungeons when I was younger, except maybe the first. But great bay and stone tower don't fuck around. It's a cool feeling to reset the clock just for a dungeon and spend the whole cycle there.

>>725003901
>>725003698
Thankfully even if the dungeon resets on you once, it only takes a few minutes to catch back up to where you were.
I feel like the time limit is mostly an issue in dungeons when you're trying to find all the stupid fairies

Majora's Mask is an objectively shitty game because it has a time limit.

>>725003901
I not kidding when I say the last one left me with like 37 seconds after a full 3 days to rush to the fairy fountain to deliver the goods. I did not want to do that shit a second time.

>>725004090
not everyone can be near immortal asshole

>>725004090
"""time limit"""

>>725002272 (OP)
I am a millennial. I am not balding. I played MM in 2000 when it released. I think you are in for the best zelda game ever made. use the reverse song of time to slow down time. use the song of double time to skip waiting periods in between quests. it will skip in increments of 12 hours. rupees are always free, never feel like you have to earn them, they are in specific locations in the town. make sure you turn them into the bank. sex with cremia sex with romani sex with the bombchu alley cashier sex with anju sex with gerudo pirates sex with deku princess and sex with tatl.

>>725003292
>somehow it has a more memorable atmosphere
This is completely backwards. MM is definitely capable of being atmospheric, especially in its final hours, but OoT has the much richer and more complex atmosphere and is much more consistent about this.


MM is capable of being good, and in certain ways is exceptional and basically unsurpassed, but it's by far the less refined experience compared to OoT and suffers from being rushed and the devs not having enough time to properly polish everything.

It would have been better had MM been released, not as it was, but as an extended expansion/re-release of OoT + numerous sidequests and dungeons adding to the game. That way it would have taken advantage of all the best qualities of OoT, while adding in extras that would have taken it far beyond the original release.

>>725002272 (OP)
Better graphism than OoT, far weirder atmosphere, completely new cool traversal mechanics, a world that feels alive because of the three days schedule, far better and more numerous sidequests, somehow even more secrets or weird interactions than OoT by a factor of at least two or three. Less numerous dungeons.

The longest sidequest of any Zelda game. It's a game to explore calmly and to just take the sights in, if only to learn NPCs schedule and quirks. Unless you're in a dungeon, you are not pressed for time, you can reset at any point.

>>725004090
It's ironic that someone who would post that character thinks they're allowed to have any opinions on quality

>>725004090
Majora's Mask's time limit is like the ultimate casual filter.
Its insane how many people got hard filtered by the stress of the clock counting down

The "time limit" is not to challenge you, but it is merely a recurring cycle which allows the world and npcs to have a schedule that plays out over three in-game days. You can double the time which essentially slows the schedule to half-speed, and you can travel forward in time as well. Yes, sometimes you want to skip ahead to events later in the schedule. You constantly create warp points and collect major items that carry over permanently, which is how you progress despite the cycle starting over.

>>725002916
huh.... i never noticed that and i've played both games for like a thousand hours. I know MM could be pretty laggy in certain areas but just in general

>>725002272 (OP)
As you play the game, you'll see that all the areas are broken down into two sections. Pre-dungeon quest that you need to do to enter it, and then the dungeon itself. Sometimes the pre-dungeon stuff will go by fairly quickly, and sometimes it will take surprisingly long time.
My advice is to not try to do both parts in one loop. After you get way to unlock the dungeon, it's fine to not try clear the dungeon with rest of the loop, take time to do some extra stuff.
Speaking of extras, Majora's Mask has some really cool side content, like quests in Clock Town, or the Ranch. Enjoy the game, it's fucking amazing.

>>725002272 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp6pu49bD5E

>>725002372
>long-winded sidequest to OOT
This isn't wrong, but it's the game's strength.

Majora's Mask is about link. About him working through the state he was left in at the end of ocarina of time: shoved back into a child's body after getting to be a grown up, saved the world but didn't get credit for it, friends abandoned him, and so on.
The entire thing is filled to the brim with themes of growing up, making friends, dealing with the inevitability of death, dealing with failure, the complex nature of things. It's links "wandering the desert" story. Everything that happens in termina is just a vessel for link to move past what happenned in OOT.

>>725004463
It's really noticable if you play it immediately after OoT. Quick Z tapping are worlds apart for these games and can throw you off.

>>725004315
When it comes to specifically atmosphere I think OoT only has good atmosphere in a handful of spots and the rest feels not very fleshed out
The whiplash you get from seeing Market Town annihilated is excellent, and seeing Kokiri Forest overrun with monsters feels personal because you started the game there and probably had some attachment to Saria, but it wears thin when they repeat the same beats with Goron City and Zora's Domain also being empty but we don't especially care about those places
Kakariko Village for some reason is completely fine after 7 years under Ganondorf's rule, and literally nothing happens to it after Bongo-Bongo sets it on fire. Ganondorf isn't a very active threat, Hyrule Field inexplicably no longer has monsters in it, Lon Lon Ranch is still around even though Ganon decided he wanted to destroy the kingdom's center of commerce. MM focused a lot of energy into making its world feel more believable, which is where the atmosphere comes from

Is the recomp PC port at 4K 60fps and upgraded textures the best way to play this game in 2025?

Another millennial here who got filtered by the time limit years ago but decided to finally start it and finish it now. I can choose to play it on a real N64+CRT, Switch 2, Wii U, PC or 3DS.

>>725002272 (OP)
Get the fuck off /v/ and play the game, retard. Do zoomers not go into games blind any more?

>>725006446
Yeah the recomp is the best version at the moment, don't bother with 2ship it's the same shit only a bit worse with a bloated menu in lieu of proper mod support

I played this game when I was like 8 and figured everything out, how fucking retarded are some of you faggots god damn

well I made it back to link form and got my troon fairy mask. game is weird as hell already. off to the swamp. so should I just play the reverse song of time at the start of each day to give myself more time? is there any downside?

>>725008084
there's no downside, just have it on at all times unless you're waiting around for something

>>725006660
>Do zoomers not go into games blind any more?
No. They need someone to tell them what to think.

>>725002372
>It has nothing new of its own to share
Transformation masks and the time limit are more novel than "ALTTP but in 3D"

so fucking comfy bros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0krxH0dWhU

>>725008084
Only "downside" is that reverse Song of Time makes some side-quests take longer, since NPCs need to be in the right positions... But in those cases you can just play it again to cancel the effect.
Swamp is pretty cool area, hope you'll enjoy it!

>>725002272 (OP)
The best swimming controls in a video game by far, the game is basically one giant dungeon, fuck around with the mask system and see what works because they can be situational, the deku mask is by far the best option for the poe sister fight for instance. Playing the song of time backwards doubles your time limit but also slows everything down including NPCs. Every dungeon item speeds up a dungeon and lets you navigate the bullshit quicker so use all your time if you think youre close.

Why has no other game been able to match Clock Town?

>>725007775
Thank you, that's been my experience too, ship of harkinian stutters for me for some reason.

>>725004090
the game has no time limit tho

>>725008832
Radiata Stories utterly mogs it as a hub town with NPC schedules if that's what you mean.

>>725008084
Rewards change in the spider houses depending on the day and you might not get the good one on the first, cant remember if the swamp's screws you there

>>725002272 (OP)
Best dungeons in a 3D Zelda. It's all downhill from there. Water Temple and Stone Tower mindbroke a generation of double digit IQ brainlets and Nintendo caved

I really wanna replay the n64 Zeldas but I'm waiting for the RT mod that seems like it will never come out.
Feels bad man.

>>725008832
radiata stories is the same concept without the resetting clock and is like 5x bigger with like 60 recruitable characters who all have their own schedule
>>725008930
my nigga

>>725009245
>>725008930
This game sounds kinda kino, I'll have to check this out

>>725009245
>with like 60 recruitable characters
It's like 3x that amount actually.

>>725009348
see
>>724899249
>>724932009
if you're gonna emulate it

>>725009348
just be warned the first 3/4 hours are nothing like the meat of the game and can be really slow. it takes a while before it really starts. the characters and story are still great from the start but it does filter some folks. it becomes wayyyy more fun after the extended intro.

>>725003969
Yeah a neat thing is that as long as you get to at least the point with the Dungeon Item you can skip a lot of the dungeon if you somehow DO spend a whole cycle on one with little progress, and after you beat it you get the boss shortcut to just go to the bossroom on any following ones.

>>725009468
This isnt gonna give me mustard gas is it?

>>725010759
it really just depends on your constitution, if it's too low you will die

>>725009348
do NOT side with the shitskins if you want the fun version of the game. thank me later.

>>725002272 (OP)
There isn't a time limit, the game simulates 3 days that you navigate back and forth through using the ocarina.

>>725002272 (OP)
yeah it's good

The timer isn't as bad as it seems, almost nothing in the game is lost on time travel. And if you know about inverse song of time, you're sailing

They really did link dirty

You're going to have to accept that you can't save everyone. And that you have to watch some people suffer on some cycles in order to make others truly happy.

>>725002272 (OP)
Why don't you just play it instead of asking /v/

>>725015658
I mean, I did. made it to the beginning of woodfall temple and fucked around the town and swamp for a while. will play more tomorrow.

You must save my dinner

>>725003462
If you mean resetting to the start of the three day cycle Groundhog Day style, yeah that's something that was critically left out of marketing at launch which made it sound like a hard time limit. It's the whole reason I skipped it when I was a kid.

If you mean the song that lets you slow down time to do more in one gameplay session, it's a necessary mechanic so you can do more between resets because that's how you save permanent progress. Owl statues only give you temporary saves if you need to pause your current session.
The 3DS version made adjustments to the save system but it also made a bunch of unpopular changes.

>>725003698
without waving my massive turgid wang around, even as a child I could generally finish each area in a 3-day limit - from getting into the zone, opening the dungeon and finishing the dungeon.
I recall that on my first playthrough, I wouldn't have any time to explore the "fixed" zone after clearing the dungeon, but on subsequent playthroughs I could generally do area+dungeon+post dungeon on each three day cycle without challenge even back then

>>725004403
>>725004420
Also this

>>725014636
The only mutually exclusive quests in the game can be achieved on the same run with glitches... Except maybe Kafei?
I wonder if anyone has actually done a "Please everyone in a single day" run.

I know you can get the couples mask and blast mask in the same cycle, but does Kafei go to the hotel room if you glitch through Sakon's lair?

>>725002272 (OP)
>what am I in for?
The second greatest game of all time.

>whats the best way to navigate the time limit?
Just play the game and stop spoiling things for yourself. If a literal 12yo ESL kid like moi could beat it back in 2000, an assumed adult should have no trouble.

why does WW and minish cap get shit on for not having enough dungeons but MM gets a free pass?

>>725002272 (OP)
>whats the best way to navigate the time limit?
take your time and try doing one thing at a time unless you can do multiples that's on your way. also use reverse song of time to slow the timer by a lot so you don't miss out of side quest.

>>725002272 (OP)
The time limit is severely overblown, like the water temple in OOT. If you have an IQ above room temp it's not a problem, talk to the NPCs and listen to what they are saying to you.

>>725002272 (OP)
play pathologic if you want to see a game that takes full adventage of the time limit and world that moves without you gimmick. And when you are done please report back and tell me how was it, I haven't played the game yet, seems scary!

>>725017284
WWs dungeon problem is they don't ramp up the challenge high enough. MMs dungeons are the equivalent of OOTs adult dungeons, with stone tower arguably being harder than anything from OOT.

>>725018764
man I was dreading the water temple my whole first run cause Ive read and seen the memes about it for years

turns out its just pure kino and not difficult at all. literally was the highlight of the whole game for me

>I'm going to play this in an emulator.
>I'm going to cheat to stop time whenever I want to.
>I'm going to use save states as well.
Watchu' gon' do about it faggots?

>>725008930
>>725009245
>Radiata Stories
I'm going to be frank, if this is really that good than why don't PS2 fags bring it up constantly? Like, it would have to be relatively unmentioned for a reason so I have to be skeptical that the game actually allows the level of interaction you'd get in Zelda. How can something with 100+ characters give any attention to detail with that many of them? Like, I've seen so many games that apparently are supposed to "destroy Zelda", and then just suck when you play them that I'm just not going to believe this.

>>725002272 (OP)
Where can I download that PC.port.

>>725004315
You're talking like a pretentious dickwagon without saying anything of substance whatsoever.

>>725019049
MMs timer is the same. As soon as you realize its simply just a tool, not a punishment, your third eye will open.

>>725019151
Its your life, do what you want. But the PC port is just better.
>>725019216
https://github.com/Zelda64Recomp/Zelda64Recomp/releases/tag/v1.2.2

>>725019215
I like both games, but no one talked about Radiata even when it came out. People don't play fucking video games is all, especially not jrpg at the time when PS2 was ending and the next gen was releasing.

>>725019215
>why dont ps2 fags bring it up constantly
because ps2 fags have (really) bad taste. also its an action rpg and not comparable to zelda at all. and the real appeal of radiata stories isnt the zillion recruits with their own schedule, its the writing, characters and art style. play it or dont idgaf but its easily one of the best ps2 games.

>>725018837
Not OP but I've played both. I wouldn't really say the two games have much in common. The only thing that feels even remotely similar to MM is outer wilds. Which was obviously intentional by the devs.

It's my favourite game of all time. Any similar games either in themes/atmosphere or mechanics? I've already played Outer Wilds and funnily enough a porn game called something like Succubus Mansion reminded me of it, it was pretty fun I recommend it

>>725019281
The fact that it's a JRPG, and on the PS2, but JRPG hipster weebs barely talk about it legitimately makes me hugely skeptical that it's any good, as even the games that these people do end up praising typically end up being mediocre.

Like, if it was a PS1 game I'd actually buy this, because crazy good but not super popular PS1 games, including things with rich NPC interaction and schedules etc. are something there are tons of, but for a PS2 game to be this crazy deep and having something that actually beats out Zelda/Shenmue etc. but which nobody talks about would be insane.

>>725019643
again no one is saying it beats out zelda, retard. in terms of one specific aspect, the central town with specific npc schedules, its objectively far more massive and impressive than MM.

and yes its a massively underrated game. Im a huge jrpg guy and the only ps2 rpg Id for sure say is better is FFX. turns out hipster weebs dont know it all, who wouldve thunk. maybe you should just emulate it yourself and form your own opinion instead of letting internet hype decide whats good or isnt.

>>725019338
>the real appeal of Radiata Stories isn't the zillion recruits with their own schedules, AKA the thing being shilled here as the literally most interesting thing in a game ever
>its the writing, characters and art style, the most generic reasons JRPG fans will give to shill any given generic JRPG
This is kind of I was expecting. Like, you're tactility admitting that this stuff isn't as good as people are claiming for whatever reason, so I have to ask what this stuff honestly involves. There's no way there are a hundred characters with scheduled interactions and quests as deep and varied as those of MM, that would be fucked up in a good way for a game people at best mention in passing.

>>725003123
>>725003202

The duality of mankind

>>725020031
lmao Im done, youre a fucking moron.

>>725020161
he has a point dude, you're not doing a good job of selling the game. Maybe it has a cool main hub but if that's the ONLY thing going on in the game I get why people don't discuss it

>>725003462
The time slowing song is easy mode. If you care about challenge you should never use it.

You can beat the entire game in just one loop, and retards here are saying you need the time slower to even beat a single dungeon in that time.

>>725019151
Judge you for being a retard and then move on, I suppose.

>>725002272 (OP)
The game can be beaten in a couple cycles if you know what to do, which is to say, the fun is figuring where everything is without looking it up. I remember figuring out the reverse song of time a feeling like a genius as a kid.

>>725002272 (OP)
It's a time loop game. You manage your time limit by looping time before the end of the third day.

The other big hint you might want is playing the Song of Time backwards gives the Inverted Song of Time, which slows time progression down a lot. You'll find this hint in the game if you talk to everyone, but I'm always surprised at how many people don't know about it. It was pretty obvious to me the first time I played it so I don't know how people missed it unless they're just trying to follow a walkthru and not talk to anyone.

>>725002272 (OP)
Most important thing is getting the song that slows down time from the scarecrow.

>>725022739
Most younger games see NPCs as fluff, since thats kind of what they are in newer games. They don't bother to talk to anybody outside of a delegated cutscene, and rarely experiment since modern games don't reward that mindset.

>>725002272 (OP)
its made for kids. stop being retarded and just play it blind. unlless youre brown, shouldnt have any issues.

>>725008502
For me, it's
https://youtu.be/y5xQnN53VI8?si=uHXv92Rmv6l1lrqF

>>725016475
He still goes even with the keaton mask still on iirc.

>>725002272 (OP)
The Great Bay Temple sucks ass and is by far the worst part of the game.

>>725022623
I figured it out because I was spazzing out and pressing random notes until it played.

>>725002272 (OP)
whatever you do, DO NOT LOOK UP GUIDES on how to beat this game, resist the urge as the first time is the most memorable

-consider playing the recompilation of majora's mask as it has a lot of quality of life features and mods that make it way more enjoyable
-do not be afraid of the 3 day limit, you'll find its an asset very quickly
-spend your first 3 days exploring the town and getting to know the npcs, they look like their oot counterpart but now have daily routines and an actual personality
-once you get your ocarina back, remember you can play the song of time reversed to slow it down or play the notes twice to make time speed up

>>725022458
>You can beat the entire game in just one loop
that's factually and literally impossible, you need one loop just to get the ocarina back you disingenous nigger

>>725004090
majora's mask is the best game in the series because it filters idiots

I've never really tried this game in earnest.

>>725003292
atmosphere in OoT is better

>>725027171
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
no

>>725027076
you should change that. you'll have a great time.

>>725004090
literal midwit take. Majora’s Mask remains the best video game artwork because it concerns everything we all must face, the inevitability of death and the loss of everything around us.

>>725002272 (OP)
Wow I envy you. I would love to play through this masterpiece again without knowing everything

>>725020239
That, plus the fact that >>725020161 resorts to "Heh, I poop on you kid" tactics instead of actually expressing why its good sort of gives up the ghost on its quality right there. Even if the game is actually secretly good, this anon has basically revealed that at the very least HE doesn't think that it's better in a noticeable capacity compared to Majora's Mask at the best, and at the worst was trying to pass off literal shit and got caught mid-scheme.

>>725019049
honestly the water temple in ocarina feels like the only real dungeon because it requires some actual neurons to form a synapse in your brain to figure it out, meanwhile all the other dungeons have toddler tier puzzles

I was happily relieved to find majora's dungeons followed the same formula as the water temple with a central temple mechanic that alters it

>>725027374
>twin towers
heh
its funny how so many games had new york get obliterated as marketing in those years, I wonder if the "terrorists" were inspired by those lol

>>725027374
Too bad link couldn’t stop the moon before it hit the twin towers.

>>725027504
yeah you busted my scheme, big time. I stayed up all night trying to think how I could convince a bunch of retarded niggers on 4chan to play a shitty game by pretending its good in an unrelated thread. to think I almost got away with it

>>725002372
that's how i felt 30 years ago, that's how i feel now.
>>725002272 (OP)
With a guide ,some masks are literally cancer

>>725008832
All Bethesda games after Oblivion mog it hard.

>>725002272 (OP)
Overrated watch-checking simulator

>>725027171
x1000 this

>>725002272 (OP)
You're an adult, not a snot nosed child. The bomber's notebook will hold your hand through exploring the timeloop outcomes, you don't need a guide. This shit isn't myst.

>>725002272 (OP)
I love the game
Some tips
>Reverse song of time slows the timer
>Get the Bomber's Notebook

>>725002272 (OP)
you only need to know that song that slows down time and you need to save money for romani milk for the last dungeon unless you want to capture all fairies for the long magic bar. Aside from that the game is normal. Like OoT but the events before a dungeon feel like a dungeon itself.

>>725002272 (OP)
>t. balding millenial who finally played OOT (it was 10//10)

Huh. I feel like circlejerking about Zelda. How did it take you so long until you played it? What did you like about it so much?

It happened similarly to me with OG silent hill games a few years ago. They really don't make them like they used to.

>>725002272 (OP)
Don't listen to all the haters, just enjoy the game and take your time.
Best way to approach the time limit is to set goals for yourself.
Like visit a dungeon or check out the questline of a character.
Most characters in the game have schedules and groundhog daying until you know everything inside out and when/where events will happen is part of the fun.

>>725002272 (OP)
Play the Song of Time backward.

>>725002272 (OP)
Are there any other games with this groundhog day mechanic where you see characters living their lives, even if their paths are already determined? It feels so comfy and alive i cant believe no one else has ever done it

>>725027171
I wouldn't say better, just different. One of Majora's Mask main selling point after all is the atmosphere

who was the goddess of time?

>>725027171
OOT is the better zelda game
MM is the better game

>>725034383
either intended to be Nayru or Hylia before the later got properly fleshed out

time limit isn't an issue if you do two things:
1) play the song of time backwards, like multiple people suggest in this thread
2) give a full 3 day limit to go through GETTING to the temple, then get the warp point/save/song you need, then deposit what you need and song of time- you should always give yourself the full 3 days WALKING INTO THE TEMPLE
if you do that, you will have no issues with the time frame. they always give you a clean point to restart the days right before the temple

Pick up the Great Fairy mask before going to the 1st temple.

>>725008502
>>725025392
This was what I was listening to in 2000 when my dad brought home the gold majoras mask cartridge with holographic effect on it, absolute kino

>>725026952
Uh, ACKSHUALLY, the loop doesn't start until you get the Ocarina back.

>>725008502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDX4ZwUeOok&list=RDXDX4ZwUeOok&start_radio=1

>>725026952
You know he meant just one cycle after the intro cycle. YOU'RE the disingenuous nigger. Pedantic cunts like you have made online discussions absolutely miserable. No longer can context or implications exist even in circles discussing something they're already familiar with. Now people always have to talk in tedious literalistic terms like goddamn courtroom proceedings to please faggots like you who perpetually have an itchy trigger finger hovering over the "UMMMM ACKCHYUALLY" Button.

And guess what? You're still wrong anyway. Eat a bucket of fucking shit.
https://youtu.be/-QVbQMwNIOU

>>725002272 (OP)
a good game but heavily overrated by many who call it better than OOT

I wish the Razor Sword was the final one
It looks cooler

>>725035180
I've drafted up ideas on how to expand and change MM, and one of my ideas would be to (controversially) simply make the Razor Sword permanent with Gold Dust, and removing the Gilded Sword altogether. Visually, the Razor Sword is objectively superior and more iconic, and mechanically, it being 3x strength makes the Great Fairy Sword less special (and it's already not helped by it coming at the end of the main game or being obsoleted by the Fierce Deity's Helix Blade yeah you could do Stone Tower before going into Great Bay Temple without glitches and have the GFS there, but GBT doesn't give a lot of opportunities for swordplay anyway).

>>725002272 (OP)
>What am I in for?
Neat game with great atmosphere
>What's the best way to navigate the time limit?
Find the song that slows down time.

>>725029310
What makes it overrated?

>tfw you do "that" quest but forget to deliver the you know what to you know who so they stay behind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmXlwSpYtQ4

>>725035649
If it could be like oot where you can pick the master sword or bigerons sword, I would make it swappable, like have the gold dust make a separate guilded sword and you can still refine your sword to the razor sword. The trade offs would be the razor sword having faster swing time but the same range and the guilded sword having longer range and slower swing time. They would both do the same damage so it comes to preference instead

>>725008502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPaCgOd8bIs

>>725036039
These guys

>>725036185
>I would make it swappable
I'd definitely want to bring that mechanic back, same for shields. And introduce a wooden shield (Link would still have the Hero's Shield in the intro, but it'd be destroyed when he tries to no avail to block Skull Kid's magic that turns him into a Deku Scrub). Replacement Hero's Shields would be wallet-locked, being more expensive than Hylian Shields in OoT (with the flavor-text justification being that they're imports from Hyrule).

Off-topic, but a non-serious idea I had is allowing Link to enjoy the Carnival of Time/New Day in a (restricted) playable capacity as a reward for 100% completion, and trolling the player by allowing them to win otherwise non-returning items from OoT from carnival games, exactly when they'd be completely pointless and useless.

>>725037029
kek

>>725035180
I have to wonder if the Gilded Sword, or at least its design, was a last-minute idea.

>>725002372
This is the biggest lie I've ever heard about this game, a stale lie dated back from 2004 from someone who didn't actually play it. This game has some of the freshest mechanics ever seen in a video game to date. I don't think there's anything like it.

>>725004403
it's tedious so it's a casual filter?

>>725002372
Seething Aonuma

>>725002272 (OP)
Once you get the song of time, play it in reverse so you have nine hours before the moon comes crashing down

>>725043243
Only turbo ADHD casual zoombies could ever find a masterpiece like MM "tedious". Thanks for outing yourself for us, PIebbit refugee!

>>725002272 (OP)
This game is fairly mid

>>725046346
The same could be said about your mom, but I keep beating that pussy while playing MM

>>725027741
>tfw we are confirmedly in the Adult timeline, with no Linkku around to save us from the Jews

>>725046346
This isn't a TP thread

>>725019215
>if this is really that good than why don't PS2 fags bring it up constantly?
I do, thank you very much. I haven't looked but I bet 90% of the mentions of it on /v/ in the past... all time -- were probably me.

>>725002272 (OP)
Kino. Play the recomp if you can, the original needs expansion pak and the Gamecube version is buggy and you will get game freezes.

Just play as normal setting up a goal for your current 3 day loop, the temples are designed in such a way that you can clear them in a loop. For the side quests you have to plan your day with the bombers notebook.

>People praise the shitty stone tower dunegon
>I had to play through that shit like 3 times

First time was my fault. I was already like 1 day in, and I was too lazy to play the song of time because I didn't want to have to teleport and play that shitty statue song another 20 times. So I tried to beat the dungeon and got right to the end.

The second time I played through the dungeon, I got soft locked LITERALLY THE ROOM RIGHT BEFORE THE BOSS. Had no choice but to restart the dungeon from scratch

By the third attempt I was so fucking sick of playing that statue song, MM plummeted to my least favorite 3d zelda game by far. Fuck that song, what a shitty mechanic

>>725020031
NTA but I was the one that mentioned it and I was very specific in saying that if he was talking about the town with NPC schedules, Radiata Stories mogs it. I didn't say it was better than MM because that would be silly as they're completely different kinds of games. Both are in my top 5 video games though and I enjoyed Radiata more, though I'd probably say MM is better because of the unique depressing atmospheres. Radiata Stories is a smug and comedic game, unique in its own right.

>>725028003
Kinda funny how upset they got lol.

>>725020239
No one has played it. It's one of those perfect examples of a hidden gem.

>>725050590
There are a bunch of mods for recomp too that everyone should check out. I have dozens installed and they're almost all just QOL stuff.

>>725051693
good bait

>>725002272 (OP)
I don't understand how I uncovered half the shit I did in this when I was a kid, so much of it would have required me to just stand around everywhere at all hours, but then I was a little kid with weekends and summer vacation. Nah man, I'm just tired, haha...

>>725032851
during the late 90s I had an n64 but I was a ps1 kid and obsessed with jrpgs. we had a lot of quality games to choose from and a finite supply of parents money so you had to make your picks. I had the oracle games so I wasnt a total stranger to the franchise but it just wasnt a priority for me. I did get wind waker for christmas when I got my gamecube and I loved it but it wasnt a game that made me want to replay it or explore the series much. I straight up dropped TP out of boredom and havent touched any other new zeldas since. plus I thought the screenshots made it look "boring" at the time probably because it wasnt le cool and edgy anime title. my n64 was basically just the mario 64, goldeneye, kart and oddly enough quest 64 machine. I started emulating about a year ago finally and I got through all the ps1 games I wanted to get through so I switched to 64. I really loved played through both banjos and star fox the first time and of course OOT.

considering my only other point of reference for 3d zelda was WW, I really loved the pacing and dungeons of OOT. just the right amount of exploration and dungeon crawling. the tools were fun to use and I felt like they were utilized well on the field and in later dungeons as well. and the quality of the dungeons was just super top notch. water temple, forest temple, spirit temple were the most fun Ive had in any zelda game. the amount of secrets is impressive too, I looked them up after beating the game and its insane how much I missed.

oh ALSO I wasnt expecting it but the waifu quality was just top notch, good lord. saria, malon, ruto, zelda AND nabooru... how could you ever decide

>>725051223
does it have the majora's mask 3d option to skip ahead by the hour? that was one of the best qol changes on the 3ds version

>>725034274
radiata stories. watch out though, some people who never played it will tell you its bad and I have a secret agenda.

>>725052090
?

>>725034274
Fable games
Radiata Stories
Rune Factory
Harvest Moon
Dragons Dogma and Witcher games kinda
Elder Scrolls/nu-Fallout games

>>725002272 (OP)
>whats the best way to navigate the time limit?
so the main areas have three sections
>pre-temple content, ends with you getting the temple song
>the temple
>post-temple content
if you want to be as efficient with those as possible, reset the cycle after each section so you aren't surprised by a cycle end
for side quests, a good rule of thumb is to reset whenever you want to focus on one and take a cycle to work on just that side quest
you can do multiple in a single cycle, but you won't know which ones you can do and you might miss something
and learn the two other time manipulation songs: one slows the cycle down significantly, and the other skips forward half a day

>>725051970
>Likes Oot and WW over TP

Patrician taste. TP has aged the worst out of the 3D Zelda games. It boggles me how people even pretends it's a better Oot.

I think one of the things that REALLY make Oot hold up is the simple yet effective writing combined with Koji Kondo's best music work. It's just fucking nice. I can compare your experience with mine playing through FF VII a couple of years ago for the first time. The music and general vibe of the game were just pitch perfect and it must have something to do with the era in which these were made. They knew how to make you invested in these silly adventures.

>>725052862
Going to piggyback off this anon's post, post-dungeon content in the 4 main areas is on the light side. The path for the best sword is fully available after the end of dungeon 2 though, I'd say that's the big one.

>>725053041
yeah gen 5 was just a magical time for a number of reasons. 64, ps1, pc and even the gameboy all dropping genre defining masterpieces. and the saturn, uh, existed as well.

>>725053398
Looking back, Oot has all these little moments that make you feel the team was at 110% of their creative mojo. They truly were in love with that story.

Things like the little scene with saria just before leaving kokiri forest are so incredibly tasteful and pitch perfect that elevate the adventure. It could very well be that they didnt include that moment, but they were wise enough to notice how much it helped make you care for a character you would barely talk to any more, making her involvement during the adult section a lot more meaningful. She's your childhood friend and she loved you a lot more than you knew. Just fucking A directing for what could have been just some NPC giving you a medallion

>>725054382
yeah that moment in particular stood out to me for sure. was very unexpected but made me love saria. ffvii is filled with little moments like that too. can definitely see why these two games were the old school GOAT debate.

>>725002272 (OP)
>whats the best way to navigate the time limit?
Do what you can in the 3 day cycle. Don't stress it. Treat it as a learning experience. There are several things in this game that are time gated. If you find something you can do right now because of the time limit, make note of it next time you play Song of Time. It's really not that bad as people make it out to be.

>>725002272 (OP)
>what am I in for? whats the best way to navigate the time limit?
You don't. Unless you're trying to do basically everything in one loop, there's no reason you need to worry about the time.

>>725054706
ffvii's intro sequence alone is so well planned and orchestrated to suck you into the conflict that it made me forget im not into turn based combat games. The music and the premise of being an infiltrated terrorist were just brilliant. And those carefully selected 3D shots for the background, framing each step of the way like a movie. Something else for the time.

Majora's mask is definitely uo there too, anon. Its nowhere as tight but it can hit a lot harder than Oot and time has been nicer to it since it hasnt been nowhere as replicated. Its a weird, unique game with the budget and polish of a top nintendo game. Enjoy, anon.