Thread 725008135

The great debate.

>>725008135 (OP)
ENTER

>>725008391
Disgusting.

>>725008135 (OP)
Right
>>725008391
Also acceptable

>>725008135 (OP)
I grew up with the gamecube and xbox controllers, if I play with something that has the dpad there I feel uneasy

Left stick on top 100% of the time. Not even a question. PlayStation stick layout is shit.

Playing Katamari on an xbox controller was fucked up

>>725008448
>if I play with something that has the dpad there I feel uneasy
Are you a barely-functioning autist?

>>725008391
I unironically think this is the best arrangement

>>725008391
Its honestly surprising how comfy this controller was

>>725008391
this looks like it would suck ass, but it's surprisingly great

>>725008541
I can play with playstation controllers but my muscle memory makes it feel like shit. does that make me a barely functioning autist?

>>725008135 (OP)
sticks should be trackpads where the bumpers rest, there should be two triggers on each side, and the face should have a full keyboard, dpad (on the left side) and 8 face buttons arranged like a fight stick.

>>725008391
>literally only good for shooters which are retarded on console much less a Nintendo one

this is not a debate. your left thumb is more naturally rested in the top position. so its a 3d game, xbox layout is objectively better. and if its 2d, playstation is better. anything else is snoy cope. the vast majority of games these days are better with stick on top.

>>725008615
Yes

Anyone who chooses the left one is a disengious retard that never plays games

>>725008673
this

>>725008673
>this is not a debate. your left thumb is more naturally rested in the top position
Then >>725008391 is OBJECTIVELY the best layout for a controller, not the xbox.

>>725008684
ok guess I am

>>725008673
>>725008706

Certainly IS a great debate.

>>725008752
You always want your right thumb resting on top position with the face buttons, dumbass.

>>725008673
By that logic a Wii U controller would be best for 3D games since you’re using the sticks 90% of the time and tap the buttons occasionally.

>>725008391
Worst of both worlds. Fucking up the placement of the face buttons is anathema - its one of the two major reasons that the Steam Controller 1.0 (the other being the lack of RT stick. Touchpads are great, but not equivalent). was less than desirable and hard to adjust. Almost every other controller regardless of RStick locale, has the face buttons on the upper, outer side of the controller.

>>725008934
In 3D games? How do you move the camera then?

>>725008934
You control your camera with the face buttons?

>>725008673
my thumb's "natural resting position" is actually between the stick and and dpad. why is there no controller that more comfortably positions the stick there?

>>725009000
>>725009005

I swear /v/ is acting retarded on purpose.

You never heard of clicking R3 to lock on or claw gripping?

I've come to find I prefer left
And I'm currently using right because thats all the store had when mine broke down
The thumn position on the right hand just feels more comfortable when using left, even though it shouldnt really make a difference

>>725009359
>clicking R3 to lock
not every game is a retarded soulslike RNG turdfest with melee combat
>claw gripping
Claw gripping is even more unnatural and uncomfortable than using asymmetric joysticks

>>725009359
Claw grip lets your thumb naturally rest on the face buttons...?
And if you lock on, that means you never need to use the stick again?

Please make your posts make sense, I'm invested.

>>725009524
>acting like souls games invented lock on

Miyazaki lives rent free in /v/ I swear.

>>725009626
he also invented the metroidvania style of game

>>725008135 (OP)
My thumbs don't lie. Left stick goes up top. Sorry sony diehards

>>725009698
Did you know that Miyazaki invented iframes? I learned that on /v/.

>>725009781
So your right thumb gets the shaft?

>>725008673
100%
>>725008752
Yeah
>>725008935
Yeah

>>725009825
How so?

>>725008752
for an FPS game, or shit like katamari or ape escape that relies mostly on the right stick, sure. for literally anything else, no.

>>725009875
Left goes up, right goes sideways.
How come only the left thumb gets to hang out up top?

i will never buy a controller with asymmetrical sticks

>>725009524
heavy mascara and le hentai face is not a phenotype

>>725009963
>for literally anything else, no.
Such as?

>>725009972
Because right thumb inputs frequently shift between camera and buttons. There is no one stardard use on the right side like there is the left.

>>725009875
>How so?

>>725009972
I dont know what kind of games you niggers are playing but unless its an FPS im using face buttons a lot more than Im adjusting the camera

>>725010072
But if the right stick was on the top, you'd still be moving your thumb in the same motion.

>>725010120
This.

I don’t understand why /v/ has magically just started to claim that the right stick carries more importance and constant use than the… face buttons?

>>725010120
If you're using the face buttons more than the right stick, the d-pad is probably better than a stick.

>>725010256
snoy thirdies who cant accept theyve been using a retarded inferior layout for the past 3 decades

>>725010256
Ask >>725008673

right
how the fuck do you use both the dpad and left analog stick together if you're on the left?
you can argue a claw grip but moving with your index finger sucks compared to claw grip on the right layout.

>>725010241
Who cares? Why would you ever want the left stick on the bottom?

>>725010256
The few games that use the face buttons exclusively are usually the games that have very little to no movement, so why not just use the dpad?

>>725008665
>>725008391
The wii U pro controller is still the gold standard for 2d platformers cause of the D-pad

>>725008135 (OP)
Depends on the game

>>725008391
Full retard

>>725010386
You don't and whatever game was designed that requires this is fucking retarded.

Either way it's easily bypassed by back buttons

>>725010386
how the fuck do you use both the dpad and left analog stick together if you're on the right? Isn’t that just the same problem for both layouts?

>>725010415
Top or bottom, keeping the sticks in line is simply more natural for every game that needs both

Pushing L3 is easier on asymmetrical controllers so if you need L3 you play on them. Otherwise, always symmetrical.

>>725008135 (OP)
Handheld controllers are a meme.
You are trying to discern which SNES controller with an outdated 90s gimmick is better for 3D games. Dual analog was never a good idea.
>>725008665
>No gyro
It is unfiltered shit for shooters. This is a controller for games where you control secondary characters, like Pikmin or Overlord.
>>725009359
>Stick clicking
Garbage
>Claw Grip
Actual copium. Use a controller that's actually ergonomically designed for what you want to do, don't just grip it like it like a retard so you can use all the buttons.

>>725010573
Also known as LS, left stick, or that gay ass click that happens when you push too hard on the left stick. Sometimes used in games to dash. Always gay when it does.

>>725010428
I’m talking about majority left stick + face buttons.

Most games use the d-pad & right stick less than the left stick & face buttons.

That’s why left stick + face buttons on top (Xbox style) is best. It’s the 2/4’s of the controller you’re using more often.

>>725010428
It's not about exclusively, it's about the fact that there's very few games where your thumb is on the right stick constantly. And honestly, either way right stick positioned below isn't bad because you're mostly using the right stick to flick left and right and that's easier in the lower position since your thumb is aligned. Left stick below feels off how you have to effectively move your thumb left and right to move your character forward and back.

>>725008135 (OP)
I prefer xbox pad over ps pad, but when I think about it, it might be more about the overall shape than analog/d-pad placement, and I haven't tried the right (xbox shape but with symmetric analogs), so I can't really say.

>>725010651
So having your thumb next to the right stick doesn't let you click L3?

>>725010496
Which is like one genre that's better with keyboard mouse anyway

The PlayStation layout should be banned worldwide.

>>725010741
This.

/v/ is making the need for sticks to be symmetrical more important than what is reality. You use the 4 face buttons more than the right stick for 90+% of games.

>>725010663
Plus with the left stick above you also move most often with your thumb aligned, forward and back

>>725010716
Since you need to push it from above the stick, having it on the left makes it a bit easier to push. On a symmetrical controller I feel like I always need to move my thumb a bit or put a little more strength into it.
Basically, what I'm saying is that the right answer is both.

>>725008391
Perfection marred by being glossy. What the fuck was Nintendo thinking?

>>725010658
>Most games use the d-pad & right stick less than the left stick & face buttons.
No shit?
That doesn't say anything about a game that never uses the stick being just fine using the d-pad. What would be lost?

>>725010663
>you're mostly using the right stick to flick left and right
In what way?
>move your thumb left and right to move your character forward and back.
What? No seriously, what does this mean? In a 2D game it makes sense, but it also makes sense to use the dpad to make exact movements in a natural position instead of whatever you're talking about.

>>725010928
>In what way?
You're looking left and right in 90% of first person games to see around you, not as much looking down at your shoes or up at the sky

>>725008135 (OP)
The midwit debate.
The answer depends on the ergonomics of the specific controller and more importantly the game you are playing. Different stick layouts are better for different games. If you're not poor, you can afford multiple controllers.

>>725010482
did you read? You can claw grip on both but right layout is infinitely better

>>725010459
any game that used dpad along with the left stick? shit like nioh, monhun, etc.

I’m honestly convinced by this thread that /v/ is just filled with snoyjeets that only play indie platformers.

>>725011009
If you don't know how to use your thumbs this would make more sense.

>>725008391
What really stands out for me with the wii u pro after all these years is just how good it was for claw-gripping. It feels like utter shit to play games like Monhun or Souls on anything else these days.
Your index finger coming up to use a stick is order of magnitude more comfortable than your index finger trying to push down on face buttons from the side.

>>725011080
Well I know how to use my thumb so I'll settle for less sense

>>725011071
Or that xbots decided their layout was king and everyone needs to conform or die

>>725011071
What did you use to play Silksong?
If you didn't play it you don't get to opine.

>>725011130
Get some physical therapy, get those thumbs moving in more than one direction again.
Praying for you.

>>725011148
>shitsong

>>725008135 (OP)
I want a controller with rotatable configurations so I can freely swap between first person mode (wii u controller), 2d mode (Dualshock), and 3rd person mode (Xbox controller).

You know, is there EVER case where the primary position should be "left thumb dpad" and "right thumb joystick"?

>>725008391
>worst of both worlds
What was Iwata thinking?

I grew up mainly on GameCube/Wii VC controllers, and later on Xbox 360, which was my favorite controller per layout.
What is the main debate between Xbox vs PlayStation controllers? Despite PS being symmetrical, I have a harder time using it

>>725011315
This configuration is actually good for fps games, since the default state is both thumbs on a joystick. Kind of humorous since this was on a nintendo console of all things.

>>725011426
XBOX HUEG controllers vs tiny jap PS2 controllers

>>725011434
OH YEAH which FPS games?
Zombie U ?

>>725011426
PlayStation controller is for people with tiny hands.

It always boils down to two camps:
>left stick on top is better ergonomics cus muh feelings something something primary placement something something nobody uses dpad any more
>left stick on bottom is better ergonomics because the different elevations the thumb naturally rests at ensures that it's at the optimal angle for both positions, it ensures the dpad is able to be rocked by your thumb instead of simply being used as buttons, ensures that your hands are symmetrically aligned, which improves long-term comfort and reduces stress, makes it easier for alternative control schemes (whether we're talking about clawgrip, southpaw, or swapping face button/dpad usage, among other options), as well as providing more room for extra features, such as the touch pad in the center of PS controllers for the last decade or so
This isn't hyperbole by the way, it's LITERALLY feefees vs actual reasoning. Every time.
By the way, analog-on-top controllers can still be pleasant; picrel is my favorite controller of all time. It coincidentally basically never uses the dpad (I'm not even sure if you can use the dpad with the analog stick for different things - fifth gen so it was often only one or the other) but the specific comfort of a specific controller is irrelevant to the actual, objective nature of a generalized scheme. Keep that in mind before you REEEEEE at this post.

>>725011524
I use it on PC since it is compatible with steam now

>>725010601
gyro for controllers can outperform m+kb, lmao. Mostly due to flick stick but the fact that it's even in the running proves you wrong, dead wrong.

>>725008135 (OP)
I prefer left, but both are good and work just fine. So just pick your favorite and you're off.

>>725011552
>it's LITERALLY feefees vs actual reasoning.
No it isn't, retard. I have worse control when I use the tip of my thumb, and the dualshock forces me to use it that way

>>725011293
twin-stick shooters and any 2d platformer with grappling. Imagine something like bionic commando in the modern day could do well with that arrangement.

>>725011291
>I didn't play the biggest 2D platformer to come out this year but I still want to tell you what controller to use

>>725011714
That's a you problem. Maybe try growing bigger hands?

>>725011714
>I have worse control when I use the tip of my thumb
So when you use the entirety of your thumb to mash a face button you have perfect control?

>>725011293
If it was done well, this would be fucking awesome.

>>725011736
Huh, yeah those are both great examples actually. Electronics be damned, give me a controller with rotatable configurations!

Right for games where you need to operate the left stick and D-pad at the same time i.e claw grip
Left for general comfort.

>>725008391
This was comfy

>>725011761
>2D platformers

>>725011785
...yes? That way I can lift and press different parts of the thumb and hit multiple buttons at once. It's literally better that way.

>>725011842
Yeah, one of the best video game genres there is, with a massive barrier of entry that doesn't let casuals ever feel welcome.

>>725011714
>It's not my personal feelings, it's just my own subjective experience and anecdote! Completely different things!

>>725011852
If the tip of your thumb can't control the stick, you're treating the face buttons like a dpad, no way in hell you're able to push a single button without hitting the ones nearby with your entire thumb covering them.

>>725011883
The Mario community right here, /v/.

>>725011927
Yes you fucking retard, I have a logical reason as to why I prefer the Xbox configuration that doesn't boil down to feelings. Subjective preferences and "feelings" are not the same thing you dumb faggot

dpad requires more space to be made high quality and feel nice. for me it's the dualshock 4 on PC

>>725011936
I don't know what sort of fat cheeto thumbs you have but it is extemly easy to press either the end or the middle of my thumbs when I press face buttons

>>725011795
there's actually a few of those I thought, though they're like 200 dollars. Picrel. Though, admittedly, this one and any I can find aren't actually the same as you want, sorry.

>>725011965
I was going to say something but then I realized Mario hasn't gotten any game in ages so fucking lmao at the real Mario community.

>>725011071
>jeets play indie games
Excuse me? Jeets love globohomo corposlop. They despise indie games.

>>725011936
How the hell do you push multiple buttons at once (like running and jumping in a platformer) while only using the tip of your thumb? Genuinely asking.

>>725012045
>the end
Try using the tip, you'll find it's easier than alternating to avoid mashing several buttons

>>725012165
not him but tip of the thumb on one button and rock the base of the thumb down to the next one. I use the tip of my thumb for individual button presses but lay it over both for those specific instances. Rocking it in the middle like it's a dpad seems really strange to me, and I've never seen anyone I know do that before.

>>725012165
Anon is placing his entire thumb over the buttons, not the tip of it.

>>725012117
You are a fucking idiot. Under that reasoning you're just arguing based on feelings too since ultimately your arguments boil down to how you subjectively prefer hitting buttons too. Miss me with that bullshit

>>725011639
Flick stick can also be done with practically anything other than a second stick and still be functional.
Gyro isn't present on many handheld controllers, where it is present, the dual analog functionality isn't actually what makes it good.

>>725012182
I literally don't have issues with hitting multiple buttons by mistake. Is this a fat person problem or something?

>>725012223
is every single argument in here >>725011552 subjective despite providing specific explanations for why it works instead of just claiming I prefer it? It's literally straightforward reasoning. It's saying "X because Y mechanism" not "Z because I prefer it so there".

>>725011293
That shit would break left and right, just buy 2 different controllers nigga

>>725012213
>but lay it over both for those specific instances
I grew up on snes platformers so this setup was never just for "specific instances" for me. I guess I just built up comfortability holding controllers that way.

>>725008391
>worst of both worlds
Amazing

>>725012310
You're literally making it harder for yourself, but at this point muscle memory takes over I suppose.

>>725012452
Yeah, and I said I prefer X because of Y mechanism. Its literally just the same shit but you're skipping a step for my reasoning to make it sound somehow more subjective than your opinion. Good lord this is a dumb argument.

>>725012536
How is it harder? I can very quickly lean my thumb in whatever direction I want. That sounds better than having to move my whole thumb every time I want to push something.

>>725012249
Not sure we're on the same page with
>where it is present, the dual analog functionality isn't actually what makes it good.
I can't tell if you meant what you said or if it was a typo and you meant
>where it is present, the dual analog functionality [is] actually what makes it good.
In the former case, gyro + flick stick can compete with m+kb precisely because gyro is good enough for precision with flick stick making the larger motions. If soome madlad were to, say, have a mouse with an analog stick on the side and set up flick stick with that and just use the mouse for precision, it may well outdo gyro+flick stick by an extremely large margin instead of the much closer margin it is right now, but I don't think that means gyro is "unfiltered shit" in any sense; it's objectively more control than just two analog sticks. In the latter meaning of your quote, if you had made a typo, then uh no you're wrong. You could probably use gyro with 2 dpads and outperform two analog sticks with gyro.

symmetric allows for more grip styles and is simbly better, asymmetric is for fat hand xbox casuals

>>725008673
when im playing games my left thumb is usually moving around

>>725012762
That looks like a miserable way to hold a controller

>>725012590
You're completely insane if you think
>I prefer analog stick on top because I personally have more control because of the way I play the games
and
>analog stick on bottom is better because the way the thumb physically rests in the two locations (dpad and analog stick) on the controller produces a wider range of motion with less stress on the joints because of less stretching, and creates less distance for the thumb to travel between those two locations, thus decreasing stress further
are anywhere near the same thing. The former is
>>left stick on top is better ergonomics cus muh feelings
the latter is
>>X because Y mechanism
if you seriously, genuinely read this, then read it again, and STILL believe that I'm wrong, just don't bother replying, because you clearly can't rationally think these things through.

>>725012762
So true sis, the aim community confirms this post

>>725012825
Would it be better to hold the analog with the pointer finger?

>>725012825
it's kino actually, you should try it just for the novelty of it. It's not actually particularly comfortable but it's really fun when it works. Running with the circle/b button while still being able to look around or changing weapons while running around, or doing both of those things at once while lobbing a grenade, or whatever.

>>725012854
Important stuff on top, secondary stuff at bottom, simple as

>>725008135 (OP)
Either is fine. But if you enjoy emulating you're going to need a controller with six face buttons.

>>725012940
unga bunga

>>725008135 (OP)
I like right but I live with left.

>>725012982
This is the fucking reality
Make more controllers with right you fuckers

>>725012854
Lmao your strawman faggotry is so fucking retarded. For someone like me who prefers to control joysticks with the middle of his thumb, stick on top is ergonomically better. What the shit do you mean there is "less distance for the thumb to travel"? When using a joystick is on the bottom you literally have to stretch your thumb further since it is further away. In contrast, stick on top involves far less stressing if you just rest the middle of your thumb on it. Good god you are obnoxious

>>725008391
I prefer the Xbox whatever it is now's D pad but this is one of the most comfortable controllers ever, and its battery life is absurd

>>725012893
>>725012916
The problem with this setup is that your pressing buttons with fingers designed for the direction your thumbs curl, and your pointing fingers don't curl that way.

>>725013243
Sorry that was word salad. I'm just trying to say that pressing anying on the front using pointing fingers feels bad since they are designed for thumbs

>>725013295
>>725013243
That grip is unique and most likely you are curling your finger because you need limited buttons, or you need the analog but also need to rock the dpad.
No one is actually using this but enthusiasts.

>>725013143
>prefers
you people are just insane
>What the shit do you mean there is "less distance for the thumb to travel"?
Have you even tried? Seriously? It almost seems like you left-on-top fags have never actually used the alternative before. The way your (yes, YOUR) hands naturally rest when holding a controller has the angles your thumb can be at vary between the two different possible elevations for both possible positions. You have position 1 and 2, "top and bottom", and elevation 1 and 2, "stick and dpad". Now, if you map these 4 possible locations in space, you wind up with two axes - one going from top-stick to bottom-dpad and one going from top-dpad to bottom-stick. When holding the controller in either configuration, your thumb will be extended further laterally toward the bottom position and extended less when in the top position. But in addition, your hand is NOT resting perfectly in-line with the face of the controller- it's at an acute angle with the top of the controller. This means that the two axes drawn by the two positions will either increase or decrease the distance traveled based on that angle. Top-stick bottom-dpad has and axis which is more obtuse than top-dpad bottom-stick with the thumb-motion plane, and top-dpad bottom-stick has a far more acute angle, making the distance traveled less.

>>725013243
You're right. This example is just fun.

>>725008135 (OP)
If you have big hands and fingers, sony gamepads are awful, you always have troubles when you move both sticks close to each other.

>>725008135 (OP)
left for games that don't use the d-pad for movement, right for games that do

>>725013575
my hands are huge and I've always preferred sony ergos over xbox. Everyone I've ever talked to about this irl has put the base of his thumbs on the sticks and just kinda hamhanded it, whereas I use the tips of my thumbs. Which do you do?

>>725013510
>you people are just insane
So... that's just how you feel?
>seems like you left-on-top fags have never actually used the alternative
I grew up with a ps2 and I have a friend with a ps4 I play on constantly. I have tried both and vastly before the joystick on the top because I find myself stretching my thumb far less with that setup.

The rest of your post is schizobable world salad, and it's genuinely not worth trying to understand that mess when I'm arguing with someone who dismisses everything else as "feeling nonsense" when we're talking about controller preference. Litterally how a controller feels should be the most important part. Explain yourself more succinctly or I'm not going bother.

>>725013874
>Which do you do?
First bone on thumbs. I don't like moving it with my fingertips.

>>725013874
Base of the thumb is 2 digit IQ

>>725013979
Why, because that's not how you use it? Base of thumb requires less overall movement because you are leaning instead of moving the entire tip of your thumb

>>725014054
Less overall movement doesn't inherently mean you're faster or more precise than a single point being used.

>>725013943
>it's genuinely not worth trying to understand that mess when I'm arguing with someone who dismisses everything else as "feeling nonsense" when we're talking about controller preference. Litterally how a controller feels should be the most important part. Explain yourself more succinctly or I'm not going bother.
hahahaha.... LMAO.... do you really not hear how you sound? Do you ever re-read your posts before you hit submit? what a looney... You literally can't think about what you're saying, much less understand the mechanisms by which one might be better than the other beyond your feelings. HAhahahahaha....

>>725012854
>when my strawman says X its because hes irrational fee fee fag
>when I make the same exact argument for thing I prefer its cause Im le based rational thinker

>>725014786
the arguments in question are NOT being strawmanned whatsoever. This leftstick fag has been consistently arguing based on his personal preference and is incapable of discussion outside of it.
>>725011714
>I have worse control when I use the tip of my thumb,
anecdote
>>725012223
>you're just arguing based on feelings too since ultimately your arguments boil down to how you subjectively prefer hitting buttons too.
"you're arguing based on feelings too" = "I admit I'm arguing based on feelings"
>>725012590
>Yeah, and I said I prefer X because of Y mechanism.
prefer
>>725013143
>For someone like me who prefers to control joysticks with the middle of his thum
prefers
>>725013943
>I have tried both and vastly before the joystick on the top because I find myself stretching my thumb far less with that setup.
anecdote
>The rest of your post is schizobable world salad, and it's genuinely not worth trying to understand that mess when I'm arguing with someone who dismisses everything else as "feeling nonsense" when we're talking about controller preference. Litterally how a controller feels should be the most important part. Explain yourself more succinctly or I'm not going bother.
preference, feels, refusing to actually interact with any argument
>

ENTER

>>725011230
>stop having a slight preference
No.

>>725008135 (OP)
I used to care about this
Now I use both and I don't really care
Both are good

>>725011552
>I'M SILLY

>>725008135 (OP)
Are there any good half/mini/retro controllers?
Besides this (8bitdo Sn30)

>>725011108
I don't remember this episode of Totally Spies.

>>725008135 (OP)
Right because the majority of the games I play are 2D.

Is the guy who was asking about the color options of the Ultimate 2 in this thread? A mod deleted the thread we were in yesterday before I could answer your question

>>725008135 (OP)
left. right is only acceptable for 2d games.

>>725015987
literally proven right itt though

>>725012649
Yeah, sorry we're not on the same page, which is why I was confused as to what you were talking about.
The Wii U pro controller as far as I'm aware just doesn't have a gyro, since that is only present on the gamepad.

So since the Wii U pro controller doesn't have a gyro, it's not good for shooters, which is what I meant by "No gyro".
>>725012762
Grip styles are a meme. Handheld controllers exist because they are designed to be held comfortably and intuitively. Finagling an uncomfortable grip just defeats the point, you may as well hold the controller with the bottom facing up.

>>725008135 (OP)
If the d-pad is worth a fuck it should be in the lower position (left). If the d-pad is just a chinsy flap of plastic that barely detects input, just for menus etc. put it wherever the fuck you want or just remove it. It's worthless.

>>725016818
ok gotcha no worries

>>725011552
>it played out exactly as described
lol

>>725008135 (OP)
Who else is good with either one? Like, really, just adapt to whichever layout is available.

>>725008391
>that distance between the bottom button and the analog stick
It's technically the same distance as the top button from the stick in a regular orientation, but the sticks being on top is just wrong. Bringing my thumb down from the analog stick to press a button sounds nightmarish.

It's obviously not good.

>>725008135 (OP)
ps style controllers are bad, were always bad, and will always be bad. pscucks can get mad all they want

>>725008135 (OP)
Putting the A button on the bottom was a mistake.

>>725008391
FPBP

Thank you for posting this so early. It's just a shame that nobody had the Wii U and so nobody got to use the controller for anything. Also, a shame there was no wired option.

>>725021662
ftfy consoltard lowlife

>>725023927
Imagine using devices meant for writing book reports to play video games

Fucking kek

>>725024467
>he does not know
>he cannot know for he is too stupid

>>725008391
Needed analogue triggers to be a good all rounder.

>>725008135 (OP)
Just make the d-pad independent buttons instead of all being a fucking plate for some fucking reason

I like the two analog sticks on the bottom. I think the Xbox controller is stupid

So which one should I buy?
Ultimate 2 has 1000 Hz polling rate and the pro 3 only 250 Hz tho

>>725029918
I ordered ultimate 2. Looks sweet, no idea if it's really sweat or I fall for lies.

>>725008391
The GOAT. Valve and the steamdeck confirmed this as well.