Thread 725011749

>people boycotted L4D2 because it was released too soon from the previous game and because they didn't think the changes were compelling enough for purchase
2009 was a different world

That's the first time I've ever heard that and I don't think there was anyone that didn't enjoy this game

>>725011749 (OP)
It had only been a year. In Valve time, this is unacceptable. We were expecting updates for L4D and there really was no reason for a sequel so soon.

I still prefer the first. 2 is good though

Valve made games in 2009. That's why the short time was a questionable.
Even now, making a sequel a year after the first game is a bit weird. Don't know why Valve did it.

>There's a feature complete (effectively) port of Left 4 Dead 2
>Never released because the L4D scene is warcrimes grade cancer
>Can't even say I completely disagree with Valve for opting to not release it

>>725012109
Port to Source 2, I mean.
L4D2 was basically done minus Lost Stream and basically the only thing that remained is the segment they stuck in SteamVR Home for the Peanut Gallery.
Which itself is also kind of a shame since the SDK for Steam Home is Windows only, and it's VR only so the map scene for it kind of fucking sucks.

Y'all know what "suck the heads" means?

>>725012109
>>725012171
Weren't they going to make a system where, once Valve releases its TV console box, a guy could tap on an overhead map and spawn zombies and supplies? Or was that for the scrapped L4D3 that never happened?

>>725012179
Ellis.
AAEAAEEEUUEUUUUGH

>>725012109
>There's a feature complete (effectively) port of Left 4 Dead 2
I thought it was only a remade Swamp Fever campaign given the Plantation level?

>>725012239
IIRC there was an asymetrical mode where a player director would play against a human team, it was scrapped for not being very fun.

Valve has two moods only, releasing a sequel way too quickly, or never.

>>725012296
Sounds fun to me. If they gave it certain parameters it could be very fun. Until you get afk directors.

>>725012239
>>725012296
already tried in zombiU, was VERY fun being the zombie and winning in 30 seconds

>>725012289
This is a common misconception.
There's a scene test for the planation house with updated materials and model, but it's unrelated to the L4D2 source 2 project which mostly just exists as a straight port of L4D2 to Source 2 with no real "improvements" that aren't simply inherited from the engine.
A similar scene test exists for a counterstrike map, but I'm less familar with it.

>>725012378
But nobody remembers ZombiU I thought it was too scary

Ohhh NOOOO!
ARGHHHH!
H-HEEELP
Ohhh NOOOO!
ARGHHHH!
*Cough wheeze splutter*
ZOEY!!!

>>725011978
iirc it was something about microsoft refusing to let valve add free content updates to the 360 version of the game because microsoft thought it would set a bad precedent.

>>725012109
>>There's a feature complete (effectively) port of Left 4 Dead 2
No, there's not. It was only one map to show off the features.

>>725012490
for the 360 version of left 4 dead 1, to be precise

>>725012490
Actually the policy was
>Pay us a ridiculous amount of money to just have it, and for everyone downloading it, or no update :)

>>725012352
I still wonder why Valve released L4D2 so quickly. There was a conspiracy theory of Valve took the IP from Turtle Rock but even if that were happening somebody would've spill the beans about it.

>>725012537
That's the scene test, not the Source 2 port.

>>725011749 (OP)
I mean to be fair, Left 4 Dead 2 was a glorified expansion at best.

The even crazier part is the first game was ported wholesale into Left 4 Dead 2, kinda proving everybody's point in a backwards sort of way.

I don't understand how anyone was happy with playing the same 5 maps over and over and over, once or twice was enough for me for a lifetime.

>>725012179
Hanky panky! Hmmm hmmm.

L4D2 was a decent expansion that turned into the ultimate L4D1 essentially. L4D2 covers everything now so there's almost no need to buy L4D1.

>>725012642
fun with friends mostly

>>725011749 (OP)
this looks like nortubel

>>725012642
is fun

>>725012642
People play custom maps.
Or try the other difficulties.
It's a very small group of total mongoloids that have like thousands of hours of versus, and they don't even really like the game all that much.

I hate boycotts.

Grabbin' heroin, i mean adrenaline
BRWOO!

I still find the new SIs annoyingly buggy
>AI Charger can just point blank charge you and there's no counter to it
>AI Jockey can grab you by tickling your toe, deal instant damage, and sometime goes completely silent
>AI Spitter acid increase damage over time rather than exposure, sometime the splash doesn't appear properly

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>>725012460
>not playing Zombie Master
shiggy

>>725012239
The scrapped version of L4D3 was to be set in Morocco and it's supposed to be open world or something.

>>725012352
Valve has pretty much boarded the slop train, they aren't releasing shit.
>9 year gap between two fully-fledged (AKA not a tech demo) singleplayer games and the newer one is a VR-exclusive
>hot "in-development" alpha-tested game is a MOBA shooter with significant design issues and barely any word of anything else
>no Source 2 Development Kit except for S&Box

>>725011749 (OP)
And they were fucking right.

>>725011749 (OP)
>basically everything felt exactly like the first game but now you had to use worse characters
It had no reason to exist t b h desu they should've just added more maps, weapons and characters to L4D instead.

>>725012836
Yeah I knew that. But after a spring break they decided it wasn't worth the effort.
I don't trust data-mining channels to be honest but it seems Valve is entirely concentrated on Deadlock and the new Half Life game to focus on anything else.

>>725012875
Source 2 will finally be fully prepped when the Half Life: Jesus' Second Coming releases trust the plan my man.

>>725012875
Strictly speaking what exists for CS:2 and Steam Home is practically sdk tier because v-script (especially on Source 2) is nuts.
Problem being, the actual tools for developing shit are windows only, and fat chance those guys are gonna develop anything.

>>725011749 (OP)
I STILL don't have L4D2 in my library. I don't care how long its been.

>>725012836
>open world zombie survival where you have to survive literal hordes of feral niggers
based

>>725012934
You just called Coach a "worse character".
But Rochelle is the odd one out. Nobody likes Rochelle.

>>725013045
>>725012934
honestly ellis and nick were better, at least until that last stand update that made everyone a dick

>>725011749 (OP)
What are you talking about? Everyone was hyped just for the melee weapons alone

Characters from best to worst.
Francis
Coach
Bill
Ellis
Louis
Zoey
Nick
Rochelle

>>725012296
So a glorified version of Commander mode from Battlefield then, actually sounds fun.

This game is sixteen years old.

>>725013003
Like, if say Steam Home wasn't just VR only, for example, and the SDK wasn't only for windows users only.
You can fit a whole ass game in the V-Script.
Respawning players, tracking score, "win" conditions on a map.
But because it's windows only basically the only shit that exists is fucking ports of other maps (because this is a LOT easier in source 2) and shit like Jailbreak and I think there's a version of TTT for CS:2, but I could be wrong.
Because it's uncomplicated.

L4d2 happened mostly because L4d1 was a fucking mess that was basically impossible to mod long-term. Blame Turtlerock.

>>725011749 (OP)
>L4D2 boycott
no wonder valve never made L4D3

I remember that "boycott." You ever see that image of the steam "boycott MW2!" group where everyone was playing MW2? same shit here pretty much.

I do understand it though, Valve just was *not* in the "yearly rehashed sequel" industry by any metric so it felt off for them to put out 2 so quickly. ultimately it's a much better game than 1 and within a year or so it even had basically everything from 1 anyway, so it's a wash.

>>725011749 (OP)
>Left 4 Dead 2 releases a year after the original L4D
>THAT'S TOO SOON
>It's been 15 or 16 years since Left 4 Dead 2 first released
>WHERE THE FUCK IS L4D3??

Life's funny sometimes

>>725013045
I feel like like Rochelle would be a freak in bed, so I'd choose her over Zoey.

And before anyone calls me a racist, I'm not. But I am incredibly sexist.

>>725011749 (OP)
Wasn't the reason they had to release L4D2 was because they overhauled the engine

Maaaaan this about to get all Baghdad and shit.

>>725011749 (OP)
Yes and then they made Crash Course for l4d1 to ease their worries

>>725013045
>Nobody likes Rochelle.
I like her

>>725013034
>Morocco
>niggers
American moment

>>725011749 (OP)
>2009 was a different world
it wasn't, simply people that had access to the internet and had videogames as hobby were white and with standards

>>725011887
Xbox 360 and it's retarded dlc/patching systems were a reason.

>>725018613
What does that even mean? Was Coach commenting on the, at the time, topical Iraq War? Or was the learned football coach, perhaps, making a historical allusion to the Mongol Siege of Baghdad in 1258, one of the most brutal sacks in human history?

>>725012934
>but now you had to use worse characters
HOLY SHITTER OPINION

I probably have 2000 hours in L4D2, still play it weekly. Glad they're not making more, all online gaming is now cancerous min max meta shit with cheat engines and skins.

Even versus is complete shite. Current expert campaign runs are still peak enjoyable gaming even if i could probably do blind runs at this point.

>>725018714
As a euro let me definitively say morroccans are worse than niggers, actually despicable people

>>725012642
Lots of replayability, different ways of doing crescendos, director changing routes and enemies. Plus there are like 10 maps.

>>725018919
>all online gaming
It's a coop game. Valves online cancer is only for online competitive matches. I don't think Valves cancer will infect traditional coop shooters. I think L4D is safe.

>>725015146
Wasn't the real reason that Valve getting bored of pumping out HL2 sequel and just made a sequel under 1 year deadline as a challenge?

>>725019330
Well even in a lot of more modern co-op games it's filled with browns and chinks constantly obsessed with rep and rewards.

I can easily solo any of the campaigns expert realism but also love that I can get shittered and play fucking up and everyone is chill.

>>725012934
They should have made L5D where you add a fifth character to the l4d1 crew (Coach)

They sort of fucked it with Portal 2 and L4D2. Because both of those games ends without a clear continuation. L4D1 ended with it hinted that the Green Flu had not spread to the East Coast. Now the East Coast is infected where in the US do you go next? Fucking Utah with Mormon zombies? That's why L4D3 was going (until it got scrapped) to be set in North Africa. Portal 3 will not have Chell in it, and presumably will have to be drawn from the ground up.

>>725012109
Valve don't make games anymore
Vr and alyx flopped

>>725019941
but it turned a profit
but it sold VR to a wider audience (which was the point of the game)
now VR is no longer spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars to go through a shitty roller-coaster some guy made in unity in a single day

>>725019701
I don't think anyone cared about the L4D story. I've played every level 5 thousand times and had no idea about any east coast lore.

>>725019941
Alyx is created to sell headsets
It's a HUGE success

>>725020185
I don't mean lore, I just mean continuity.
You know what would be cool, L4D in London akin to 28 Days Later with underground sections and gloomy monumental streets. But maybe people would think that's too ZombiU like.

>>725020329
Make it in Dewsbury and you play a squad of 6 year olds trying to get home from school. Special infected can be cab drivers, CPS council workers and turkish barbers.

>>725020282
one that they will probably never follow up on sadly

>>725011749 (OP)
I mean it did suck ass

>>725021309
They will. Once more people have cheaper VR headsets.
The next L4D might be VR ironically. Not that I'll play it. Sounds too scary for me.

>>725012642
They get very dynamic, you know all the routes and passages but the scenery changes and the "director AI" decides to throw zombies at you differently each time.

>>725019941
Games you don't like are still games.

>>725011887
>It had only been a year. In Valve time, this is unacceptable.
This is basically why Valve refuses to just release a Half-Life 3. Valve could easily release a new game with the same quality as Half-Life 2 but that's not good enough for Gay Ben. Half-Life 3 has to be an industry changing masterpiece or Valve would rather release nothing at all.

If you go back and look at Half-Life 2 you'll see they aren't content with just making a game where Gordon Freeman goes around shooting things. Practically every new chapter involves some gimmick whether it's the new physics engine or the gravity gun or driving a car or controlling antlions. The same was true for Portal 2 which is constantly introducing new things to the player.

The problem with this is that Valve seems to have run out of ideas to justify a new Half-Life 3 or new Portal 3. The only reason we got a Half-Life Alyx is because VR meant they had new tech to introduce new gimmicks to the players.

>>725021969
How will you feel next month when Valve just releases a Half Life 3.

>>725011749 (OP)
>boycott L4D2
>still play it on release

>>725022329
they boycotted it in their hearts