Thread 725012081

Watered down laptops or proper consoles?

>>725012081 (OP)
Lame and gay. Worse than laptops and so huge that calling them handhelds is straight up retarded.

>>725012336
>calling them handhelds is straight up retarded
>can be held by hands

>>725012081 (OP)
Good, and I want them to succeed. Their success means developers can't be overly reliant on just bruteforcing performance. Having to optimize for lower end hardware means PC games perform better by proxy.

If you're broke and homeless like me it's an amazing gift to receive, I haven't be able to play video games in 6 years.

>>725012628
Yeah, but compare that shitbrick in the OP to PSP or a GameBoy. It's fucking massive.

>>725012081 (OP)
I love my legion go
Good for tablet porn
and sometimes game
but mostly porn

>>725012081 (OP)
laptops are so nortubel tier

>>725012830
?It's fucking massive
And?
You use both hands to use the PSP and Gameboy. Unless you have tiny feminine slant hands, who gives a fuck if it's bigger. Lmao.

>>725012081 (OP)
I got a steam deck, it's fine for indie games and GREAT for vintage gaming emulation, but it overheats SO easily with any bigger game.
I am glad it was given to me as a gift. Handheld PC's are a bit of a gimmick and I don't think they have staying power. Gamers don't leave their houses and when they do it's not to play vidya. It being handheld is pointless.

>>725012081 (OP)
Deck is still undefeated.

>>725012675
>pc market is so bad we now wish for console limitations

>>725014980
Console limitations are unironically what made the likes of the GTX 1070 and 1080 the bargain for power value they had. A lot of games by that point were still being made for the Xbox 360 and PS3 even in 2016.

Look at the market as a result of not having an anchor, endless poorly performing slop like Borderlands 4 and Outer Worlds 2 that can't pull native 4K on the highest end most expensive GPUs without abusing frame generation and upscaling. It's an utter joke, and the only fix is to force devs to optimize for platforms where those tricks don't work.

>>725012628
i can hold a laptop in my hands, too

>>725012081 (OP)
i feel like they're destined to remain relatively niche. a laptop + a ps5 controller offers more flexibility and functionality for my purposes. it seems handheld PCs largely serve the "playing vidya in bed while my fat wife watches grey's anatomy reruns on the tv" demographic

>>725012081 (OP)
deck is the undefeated champion. all the other handhelds are designed by indians. too bulky, heavy, gamery aesthetic

>>725014980
>saaaar do not optimize saaaaaar let the benchod machine do all the work saaar this is what chatGPT told me
the absolute state of pcjeets

>>725012081 (OP)
>Manly tears holding his psp

>>725012081 (OP)
I like them, but I don't understand why the Deck is the only one to get trackpads right. The most I've seen on the competitors is one, but more often than not they don't have any.

>>725012081 (OP)
Too underpowered for what they offer. Sticking to streaming.

>>725016014
***they cost

>>725012081 (OP)
Worse than a laptop as a portable PC, but more functional than a console.
Much better than a laptop or a PC if you want a comfy bed gaming.
Much worse than either of them if you want to play modern AAAs and UE5 slop, unless you're streaming games.

I'm playing only on my Deck after getting one, PC gaming doesn't feel nearly as good and consoles are too limiting.

>>725012628
Yes, switch 2 is already pushing it and these PC handhelds are bigger than even that

>>725012830
So get a smaller handheld. Idiot. This isn't communist Russia you have multiple products competing.

>>725012081 (OP)
The market's a fucking mistake. Don't get me wrong, Deck's fantastic if you like actually playing games, but all the chinks immediately threw the towel and figured they can't compete on value and selling on a loss when they not only can but are better fit to do so, and instead just made bigger and bigger and more power hungry abominations with crippled ergos missing functionality to bait the tech illiterate. Valve should be sweating bullets and getting pressured into more aggressive price cuts, yet somehow even the LCDeck holds up today, it's insanity.

They're a little bit redundant imo

>emulation and non-demanding PC games
You can run those on any fast phone(get a controller attachment) or one of those smaller Android devices which are much more portable with better battery life.
>demanding PC games
They either run poorly or have such dogshit battery life you have to be plugged in or within close distance of a power outlet, at which point you might as well get a laptop. Something with a 4060 is way cheaper than the high end PC handhelds and is much, much more performant.

Personally I'm not a fan of any handheld device with active cooling(get it?), I just use my S23 Ultra and hacked Vita for portable play. That said, PC handhelds have a function which they perform well, so if you think they fit your use case I imagine you can have a great time with them

>>725012081 (OP)
Watered down laptops. It's better to stream to a VR headset over wifi for a virtual screen and use a better controller.
>>725015303
>Console limitations are unironically what made the likes of the GTX 1070 and 1080 the bargain for power value they had. A lot of games by that point were still being made for the Xbox 360 and PS3 even in 2016.
They were a bargain because Nvidia overcorrected after Housefire, 3.5 and woodscrews. If the game was poorly ported from 360 it was still shit on PC, same as it is now.

>>725015404
Can you game on a laptop without a mouse and a flat surface for it to stand on?

>>725012081 (OP)
The Steam Deck is the best gaming device I've ever bought and it's not even close. 30 years of consoles and it blew them all away and I prefer to use it over being stuck at my desktop even for more demanding games.

>>725019953
>Watered down laptops
Pretty hard pressed to find a laptop with the gaming performance of a steam deck for the price.

>>725012081 (OP)
They're neat but they need to make them smaller.

>>725020247
>Pretty hard pressed to find a laptop with the gaming performance of a steam deck for the price.
Not really, the 4050 has better performance than the Steam Deck(far better than the Z1E and Z2E for that matter), and you can find laptops with that spec for the price of an OLED. Unless you mean a laptop that exactly matches the Steam Deck performance, in which case you'd need a laptop with a 1050 or a 960 so you'd have to scavenge for used models from 2015-2017

>>725012952
The steam deck should not be overheating unless you're doing something unbelievably stupid. Like overclocking.

>>725021017
They could certainly make that monster in the OP smaller, but they still need to have big screens or it would make a ton of games difficult to navigate and defeat the entire point of being able to play everything portably. If you want something niche for more handheld oriented games, there's already options for that.

>>725012952
It should not be overheating. The fans don't even get loud anymore like they used to on the LCD Deck. Or if it's shutting down while playing a game then something is very wrong.

>>725021053
The killer of gaming laptops even now has always been cheap as piss build quality in an effort to cut as many corners as possible, and very poor heat dissipation no matter what they do.

Every single modern PC gaming handheld is just ripping Nintendo's passive cooling system wholesale with massive heat pipes, and it's way more effective than whatever the fuck laptops keep trying over and over. Cyberpunk 2077 on Steam Deck settings barely hits 60c.

>>725012081 (OP)
They offer something a laptop can't, which is chilling in bed or bus/plane playing PC games. Technically you *can* use a laptop in all those other places, but its cumbersome.

>>725012628
>>725012081 (OP)
clunky ass shit, might as well get a laptop for the same price but way better performance. I'm not holding a brick gayming

>>725015404
It doesn't count if you hold it like an accordion.

>>725015404
No, you can put it in your lap. Hence the name.

>>725021893
>wall of gayretarded cope
just kill yourself already steam drone. No one is genuinely believing a single word of bull coming out of your mouth
>muh Cyberpunk 2077 60c
yeah on 30fps 720p upscaled low lol. That is not remotely a highbar

>>725012081 (OP)
They make my hands and arms go numb after not even 15 minutes.

>>725012628
kek

>>725022262
>Durr only Steam Deck exists
Why are you babbling when you don't know shit? Lenovo, ROG and even MSI all make solid handhelds.

>yeah on 30fps 720p upscaled low lol. That is not remotely a highbar
Considering the form factor, yes it is. And unlike your dogshit gaming laptop, its battery isn't going to explode in two years.

>>725012081 (OP)
portable PCs*
that thing is barely a handheld

>>725012081 (OP)
I have no usecase for them. I don't want to play on my bed and even if I did we have a big tv in our bedroom. I don't take public transports since I have a car. The only time I could use one would be when flying but I'd rather read some stuff or sleep the flight off than having to carry the handheld around for the duration of my trip because there's a high risk it could get stolen if I left it at the hotel.

>>725012081 (OP)
do android devices count? because this thing looks fucking awesome

>>725022870
No, that's a telephone.

>>725021893
Temperatures aren't really an issue for laptops unless they have to start thermal throttling, which for Lovelace and Blackwell doesn't happen until you're well over 1000C which laptops don't even have the TDP to hit unless the fans are severely clogged with dust. Unlike handhelds, you're not holding the device, so it's not like you're gonna burn your hands if they hit 800C.

>>725022591
>its battery isn't going to explode in two years.
All battery, both in laptop and handheld, is lithium you retard because it's currently the best atm. Do you magically believe steam adds some fairy dust to make it more durable for steamdeck or something ,kid? Whether the battery will explode or not is up to the quality control of the chinks who manufacture it for you in their factory
You clearly have no idea about tech just from this statement so my last pity (you)

And FYI, laptops achieve better performance with the same setting because it is bigger hence more powerdraw and heat dissipation. Also they have the edge of not using gay integrated gpu for gayming

>>725012628
I can hold my desktop pc in my hands, is it actually a handheld pc?

ROG Ally X with Bazzite installed is king.
Nothing else comes close right now.

>>725012081 (OP)
They're backlog killers and emulation machines. If you're buying them for any other purpose you're going to be disappointed.

>>725021053
notice I didn't say which model

>>725023227
Can you game with it while holding it?

>>725023131
I'm not taking a babbling tech illiterate retard seriously.

Yes, the form factor of these PC gaming handhelds makes them less prone to failure via constant heat exposure. First of all, the heat piping far more robust due to the thickness of the devices, they are notably fatter that even the heftiest gaming laptops, having more room inside to create better escape paths for heat. Second, the simple fact that these handhelds are held up in the air, and the venting is on the top of the devices, means they are significantly less prone to degradation due to excessive heat over years of use, unlike laptops which are so dogshit at this simple task they need special stands just to not cook themselves on a flat work surface.

Again, who the fuck gives a shit about performance when the device in question (laptops) needs to be opened up and cleaned out every six months even if you DON'T play video games on it? Laptops are, and always have been, notoriously dogshit to maintain in regards to making sure they don't melt themselves with ingested dust and hair.

>>725023517
If it's plugged to the wall or I also carry some kind of big battery, sure

>>725023689
nice to finally meet you goro

>>725023552
>he thinks you don't need to open up your handheld in a year or two to clean it out
If it has fans sucking air in, it's going to need cleaning

>>725023768
Just hold the PC sideways on your arms with your hands coming together to a controller and balance a monitor on top of the PC, no need for extra hands

>>725023775
Both consoles and gaming PC handhelds, the latter ripping off Nintendo's cooling, use negative air pressure to suppress as much dust intake as possible. Laptops can't do this, because there simply isn't enough room inside to create negative pressure.

It's no different to how a good PC fan setup is the difference between you cleaning it out once a year, and once every 2-3 months.

>>725012973
>look i can type slightly slower than a disabled person!
amazing

>>725024058
None of that matters because you are still pulling air inside it which is going to bring dust with it

>>725024302
It does matter, because it vastly decreases the intake of dust over time. Less dust, less heat build-up, less notable performance drop, and less chance of your battery ballooning.

>>725024058
>>725024426
If you ever eventually decide it's worth the 5 minutes it takes to grab a screwdriver and open up your handheld you'll see it has a thick layer of dust over the fans, and performance will noticeably improve after you do it

>>725024648
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying thanks to negative pressure that less dust builds up over time. Laptops suck in dust and debris like a hooker with no competition.

>>725024058
>the latter ripping off Nintendo's cooling
What. I swear, people would think Nintendo invented gravity and that apples falling were ripping Nintendo off if Nintendo had been around long enough.

>>725025281
I am not using the phrase "ripping off" as in it's an untouchable method of cooling. The simple fact is all PC gaming handhelds are built like the Switch, and/or are taking heavy design cues from the Switch line.

>>725023552
>heat piping far more robust due to the thickness of the devices
What are you talking about?

>unlike laptops which are so dogshit at this simple task they need special stands just to not cook themselves on a flat work surface.
What are you talking about?

>the device in question (laptops) needs to be opened up and cleaned out every six months
What are you talking about?

>>725024936
All negative pressure does is suck air in through any hole it can find so you get dust coming in from all over the place with no filters stopping it. Literally better off just having one filtered input of air

>>725019542
AMD's Van Gogh APU in the Deck was purpose built for the 9 too 15w power envelope. All the other handhelds are using mainstream laptop APUs which are designed for 28 to 45w TDPs, and at their high end pull up to 70w in their highest turbo state.
Limiting a big chip doesn't lead to low wattage performance as well as designing a low power chip from the get go.

>>725025475
>ChatGPT bot is baffled because its Googling of Reddit is coming up with nothing

>>725025475
>device bigger
>put bigger heatpipes in
>bigger heatpipe dissipate more heat
it's really not that complicated

>>725022782
If you hold it in your hands while using it, its a handheld. You dumb autist.
>waaaah it doesn't fit in my pocket so its not handheld!
The original Gameboy wasn't a handheld by your sperg definition.

>>725012081 (OP)
I kinda want one to play comfy games on like Dome Keeper and other games that don't require a lot of intense gameplay
turn-based games would be great for that as well

>>725025949
I guess the device is wider but its heat pipes aren't anything to write home about. The heatpipes you find in gaming laptops are usually just as good. If the laptops cooling isn't decent, then usually it's because there's a shared heatpipe for both the cpu and gpu, and/or poor thermal paste application.

>>725026434
>I guess the device is wider but its heat pipes aren't anything to write home about.
What are you event trying to babble about? Devices have cooling solutions rated for the amount of heat they have to dissipate. a 20w handheld only has a fraction of the cooler compared to a laptop with a 45w CPU and 120w GPU. Laptop coolers are enormous in comparison.

>>725026010
blind or retarded?

>>725026862
Try making an argument, low IQ sperg

>>725025949
A bigger heatpipe doesn't mean the device has better cooling performance, that's decided mostly by the size of the fin stack and the amount of air being pushed through it

>>725026894
so retarded, got it.

>>725023131
i want you to realise you typed out an entire essay and didnt say anything because exploding batteries isnt a real phenomenon and hasnt been happening in handheld PCs or gaming laptops

>>725023851
>controller
Kek fuck off retard

>>725027669
All the handhelds use controllers

Grab a Loki Max, good luck finding one

>>725012081 (OP)
it'scool

>>725012081 (OP)
I love my Ally and have played many games on it that I probably wouldn't have otherwise. This includes:

Kingdom Hearts 1
Kingdom Hearts 2
Streaming FF7 Rebirth from my PC via Moonlight
Baba is You
Void Stranger
Unicorn Overlord

It's great for single player games. I wouldn't ever use it for multiplayer.

>>725012830
and this is to go... EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!

>>725012081 (OP)
I've had a steam deck and currently an xbox rog. Comfy asf. I'm still waiting for one of them to make strategy games comfortable to play in the only thing that makes me return to desktop

>>725012081 (OP)
I think they're neat, but I don't feel compelled to buy any of the high-end models that are hyped up here.
Many of these handhelds, e.g. the Ally X, sell themselves on their power by running the latest AAA games at acceptable performance. It's impressive from a technical standpoint, but that doesn't appeal to me personally. I'd rather play these games during longer 1-2 hour sessions on a desktop with a M+KB.
If I were playing on a handheld, I'd want to play games that suit the platform, i.e. arcadey games with quick bursts of action or text-heavy RPGs. Many of those games are in the Japanese and indie spaces, or they are older titles that can be emulated. All of which run perfectly on a comparatively cheaper Steam Deck..

>>725031514
We need to go bigger

>>725031690
Battery life and purpose designed low power SoCs are still holding them back from being truly competent AAA machines.
Maybe in a few more years, if UE5 slop doesn't get perpetually worse, but odds are that dedicated path tracing becoming normalized will always put these systems at a huge disadvantage for new titles

>>725012081 (OP)
PSVita was the right size
Switch 1 is probably the largest you can go without feeling too stupid to hold
Switch 2 and the Deck are just too big
Anything larger is just retarded.

>>725012081 (OP)
Use case is if you have long commutes on public transport or if you're an underage ban who lives in a busy house and the only quiet room changes every day.