Thread 725028006

>>725028006 (OP)
It's just CK3 but with less control over your estate.

>>725028006 (OP)
i've been having fun with it

>>725028006 (OP)
I have no idea what I'm doing

>>725028006 (OP)
Anybody else alt f4 as soon as getting in game? Too much new shit overloaded my brain.

does the ai still not do anything?

It's too different. I just wanted a graphically updated EU4, not CK3 in the 1600s.
I'll probably get into it once they sort out the kinks and re-add coast raiding and piracy, so I can go back to larping as a Moroccan pirate. Until then, I'll be playing Anbennar.

>Mostly Positive
lol

>>725030636
>It's too different. I just wanted a graphically updated EU4, not CK3 in the 1600s.
Paradox always changed the mechanics heavily in numbered titles, so that was a weird thing to expect.

>>725030761
You're the one who's talking about expectations. Wanting does not equal expecting.

>>725028006 (OP)
It's aight. Played some 30 years as Austria yesterday and 'bout to kick some Bohemian ass.

The UI is confusing to me as someone coming from years of EU4.

>>725030636
Really? Nobody took your bait so you made an image for it? Wow anon, that's pathetic

Sell this game to me /v/
I like CK3, why should I play this over it? What is better? What is worse?

>>725030761
I switched from eu3 to eu4 just fine. 5 feels like a game from a different series entirely.

>>725031030
In EU you play as a country, not as a ruler and his dynasty. Much less personal relations and events, the scale is more global. CK is good for human stories, while EU is more of a "game".

I see theres some new mechanic for ingoing and outgoing food. Do I have to feed my population know? That doesn’t seem like a very kingly duty to me, shouldn’t the peasantry be handling the toil and drudgery?

>60 dollars for the same thing but with less contont (they will sell you this later)
wow

>>725030848
>i just wanted a thing that i know paradox never does
install graphical mods in eu4 and fuck off then if thats all you wanted

>>725031520
>same thing
All manafags and missionbabies are crying because the game is too complex

>>725031658
"No missions" isn't good, it just means every country plays exactly like the other ones and nothing has an indentity of its own. Vicky 3 already proved this.

>>725031520
>same thing
It looks better

>>725031520
>>60 dollars for the same thing
vic3 and ck3 thread is over there pal, this is eu5
i was shocked too when i found that the game is not a bare bones map painter

>>725031764
debatable

>>725028006 (OP)
Great map porn.

>>725031735
>every country plays exactly like the other ones
Ive played 2 countries and I can tell you that just isn't true, at least in Europe counties have tons of differences with how you need to manage them

>>725030636
>Pls daddy paradox give me back the mana system or even better give me a card system!

>>725031658
>>725031735
>no missions
>they are unaware

>>725030636
>coast raiding and piracy
Anon you get sponsored piracy within like 20 years

I like it. Shocked because every single paradox launch post ck2/eu3/vicky2 has been a disaster. Feels like they actually buckled down and said "wait, aren't 99% of our audience white chuds?" Instead of trying to cater to normies and MP faggots.

Ai needs work but that can come with all the free play testing they're getting now. We are so back /GSG/ bros

>>725031030
I would not use liking CK3 as any metric to liking this whatsoever. It is an entirely different beast

>>725032160
Multiplayer is kind of bad, i get frequent desyncs but they can be restarted in a minute
I really like the slower, more intimate pace over EU4 though

>>725031974
The missions that serve as tutorials and turn off your achievements aren't what people really mean by missions and you know that, you bad faith fuck you.

>>725031974
retard

>paying full price for a base PDX game
nah

>>725028006 (OP)
It's legitimately a 'return to form' in the vein of paradox's old gsgs. If you're a babby who enjoys vic3, ck3, eu4, or hoi4 it's not for you. It's built for the autistic greybeards who played eu3, vic2, march of the eagles, and hoi3. In short, it's completely and unapologetically anti-zoomer and anti-corporate.

>>725032395
It's absolutely nothing like EU3

>>725028006 (OP)
Is it true they ditched mana and brought sliders back? I may have to get it

OK someone baby me for first game

How do I turn one of the OPMs in southeast africa stuck between Zimbabwe and Kilwa into a might trade empire? It's not like EU4 where I just kill them?

>>725032481
I wouldn't know, I never played it

>>725032489
Mana is gone, everything is based off gold and advancements now

>>725032252
>EU4
>slower
>more intimate
Please elaborate. EU4 is notorious for WAR WAR WAR EXPANSION EXPANSION EXPANSION NOW NOW NOW.

Shit UI = Shit game. Simple as

>>725032863
>EU4 is notorious for WAR WAR WAR EXPANSION EXPANSION EXPANSION NOW NOW NOW
You cant really do that now, you have actual consequences and it takes way longer to incorporate enemy nations + develop them to continue

>>725033220
Are you sure you're talking about EU4?

>>725033358
>slower, more intimate pace over EU4 though
ESLbro

>>725028006 (OP)
It's quite the historic moment that a paradox sequel makes the game more intricate and complex rather than casual and braindead, props to Johan.

will my humble GTX970 run this game on low settings?

>>725033429
I have made a fool of myself.

what were they thinking?

It's been 20 minutes
I still haven't unpaused
Help me

Man I just spent 30 years increasing Crown Power and don't feel the benefits at all
I thought it'd be good to centralize during the Black Death but I guess not?

>>725030636
>so I can go back to larping as a Moroccan pirate
I know what you are

>>725033942
treat it like dwarf fortress, you'll lose and restart a lot but eventually you'll learn and win.

>>725031735
Missions are basically the dev playing the game for you.

>nooo missions and idea groups are gone
>*completely forgets about unique cultural and national advances*

>>725031939
>give me back the mana system
Sure, mana is a cool system, the issue was tying tech to mana

>>725033884
Ah... The HRE...
SOVL.

post the timelapse

>>725033884
That people with more than double digit IQs would look at this and think "I will unfuck the HRE".

>>725032481
Neither was EU4 to be fair.

>>725034675
Nothing. Ever. Happens.

>>725034675
make it a 1-frame gif and it's perfect

>>725030101
i fucked around for one and a half hour while pause then closed it and went to do something else
i came back to it a few hours later and actually started to get what i should be doing and had some fun

It's a miserable slog to figure out anything. I don't know how the map painter monopoly still can't make a functional UI after 20 years of making map painters but this is their worst yet.

>>725035531
Quick tip: The UI is more than functional, you're just an illiterate retard

i actually don't get why people say the UI sucks
like at first it's confusing sire but that's because at first you really don't know anything
it was the same for me when i started playing EU4 and vic2

>>725030636
>graphically updated EU4
That's EU4. Looks great.

>>725028006 (OP)
I have no idea what I'm doing, but I'm having fun with it.
The only thing actively annoying me is the game unpausing automatically after closing a pop-up that pauses, and battles not letting me set a "pause-on-battle-end" setting as it's no longer an event like EU4. Might be somewhere in the settings for the battle setting.

HELLO
HOW DO I BYZ?

I fucking love spamming census

>>725028006 (OP)
This shit is way too slow. I'm 3h hours in and I have barely left the 1350s and barely anything has happened.
Also the UI is vomiting inducing. And what the fuck is that tech tree?

>>725028006 (OP)
THANK YOU SAARS
I AM DOING THE NEEDFUL AND PURCHASING THE GAME NOW

Only thing I thought was decent in EU was that combat stats actually mattered. It's not quite just 'bigger number wins' like it is in the other Paradox games.

Figure I'll try asking this: I own EU4 from some Humble Bundle, but it's missing Winds of Change, King of Kings, and Domination. Are those important to the game?

>>725030636
EU4 is a dogshit title based on magical mana points. Glad Paradox finally returned to their roots and stopped trying to dumb down these games for redditors

>>725037237
Just cream all the dlc. Stop giving paradox money.

>>725037237
Pirate all paradox DLC. Don't be bullshitted.

>>725034568
>I can fix her

So, how barren it is for a memedox vanilla?

>>725037340
>>725037361
I guess so. Doing it for HoI4 was just a pain in the ass for whatever reason.

>>725028006 (OP)
It's just braindead slop like every other paradox game ever made

>>725028006 (OP)
Is the game actually good? I don't trust a single YouTubenigger praising it.

>>725037463
Best paradox game on launch, easily

>>725037620
How are /v/tards any more reliable?

>>725037463
probably the least barren paradox game on release, arguably least buggy at least for me too i only had some weird troop movement bugs

>>725037620
/v/ is also infested with shills and sunk cost fanboys. Wait a month until they're all gone and ask again later.

>>725037695
/v/ usually hates things so if it says something is good it does give more credibility. Like Unicorn Overlord.

I'm gonna have to watch a multiple hour long tutorial video on this shit

>>725037038
You need to actually focus on the country instead of WAR WAR WAR

>>725037620
only played for 3 hours so far but it's cool, there's a lot of things to do

>>725037762
>>725037659
Cool. That means I'll at least check someone's gameplay instead of dismissing it outright. Thanks, hopefully not paradox shills.

nothing ever happens the game

The military orders are easily the best addition, carpet sieging is so fun

>>725037973
you should pirate it, there's already torrents in the usual sites
i did hear a lot of people complain about performance but it works with literally no problems at 5 speed on PC, which has a rx 6600 (8GB) GPU and ryzen 7 5700g CPU which are good but not exactly impressive specs, worth noting i turned off 3D map because i prefer flat always

>>725037038
>MOOOOOM
>I WANT TO BLOOOOOOB

>>725037924
Hmmm, maybe I will check it out, I dismissed Vicky 3 and CK3 instantly but I don't see anything inherently wrong with this one yet

How do I into being a Jewish banker? Tried playing as the Hansa for like 30 minutes and couldn't figure out how to invite countries into my league. Couldn't really find a good map mode to display both regular countries and non-territorial countries simultaneously, either.

Imagine defending this shitshow

>>725038694
>>725038878
blobbing is easier than ever, are you people actually playing the game or is that not a requirement for your job of shilling it?

Can I play as burgerland?
I liked going nuts as America in 4, I turned Canada into a lawless hellhole and beat the British so bad they had to give me some caribbean territory. I'm curious if I can one up

>Dude you gotta develp your land!!1!
>Literally wasting money in buildings for 0.01 ducats of benefit and waiting for stability and legitimacy mana to go up to waste it on more 0.01 modifiers

>>725038510
Has there been any patches yet? I dont think any pirateable copies have any of those updates if they exist.

>>725039312
Update tomorrow.
But the base game was cracked 15 minutes after the game released, I don't see how this time is going to be different.

>>725036514
I like the game so far but my UI issues are:
>tabs in tabs in tabs
most of these nested tabs should just be tabs in their own right. why does everything have to be nestled away so that it requires like 8 clicks to get anything done
>literally everything is a fucking icon
everything is a tiny little icon so you have to constantly hover over everything to know what you are even looking at. just put some words next to things.
>gay retard Crusader Kings portraits shoved everywhere
normalfags really can't play a game without some face to associate to? you play as a nation not henry bimblo scrimblo the fourth.
>changing map mode is annoying
it requires multiple clicks to change map mode. seems like a minor annoyance but its something emblematic of the UI design as a whole. everything requires a ton of clicks to get to that used to be much easier to do.

>>725039030
Still busy figuring out the atrocious interface.

>>725039238
welcome to 4x games

>>725039626
I don't remember Civilization, Shadow Empire and Stellaris being like this.
Also EU V is not a 4x.

>>725039238
If not for that why are you here?
To post ebin
>I made le germany bigger XDDDD
on /gsg/?

>>725040060
You may find this difficult to believe but I have played a shit-ton of Vicky II and I have never played Germany or Great Britain.

>>725040060
gsg shitposted itself to death years ago buddy

EU5 is already a better game than EU4, just in concept.
It's also a broken steaming pile of shit and I lost my run to my diplomats being banished to the shadowrealm by a bug.

>>725040795
>bug
feature

>>725028006 (OP)
Is there DEI in the game?

is the AI still braindead and doing nothing all game?
I will get it if that's something they just patch. I expect it needs the next 5 DLC before it's fixed.

>>725028006 (OP)
I've tried Grand Strategy like 3 times now and bounce off within two hours because of MENUS MENUS MENUS and the tutorial not explaining SHIT.

Why can't Paradox look at 4X/Civ and see that new players have to be eased into the systems without "SEYMORE, THE NATION IS ON FIRE!" turn one?

Jesus christ this game is overwhelming.
Is there a OPM that can teach you the game well?

>>725041125
Yes.
Now fuck off.

>>725041420
It's harder as an OPM, play as Hungary

>>725041310
4X games are GSGs for babies, if you can't handle them go back to civslo[

>>725041514
>It's harder as an OPM
Being successful? Yeah.
But I want to be able to have greater control over my country without as many moving parts and stuff like already 15 privileges granted.

>>725030636
I love hot black women, that's the kind of diversity I like

>>725030636
It's actually vicky2 500 years early.

>>725041125
stop being a fragile white boy

>>725033884
>voltaire.png

>>725041125
Lot's of ahistorical women everywhere for starters.

>>725034568
whenever i play HRE i just make a pseudo south germany with bavaria or a swabian nation
i don't know why but i always do this

>>725041310
Your autism isn't sufficient. You should enjoy lots of menus. Those tooltips are delicious. Inhale the systems and systems so that you can make numbers larger.

first order of the day is to put france on its natural borders on the rhine

>>725041668
I'm 50 years into Portugal and I think it's a good balance of what you want. You'll be building in high control places anyway if you're smart.

>>725039768
>I don't remember Civilization, Shadow Empire and Stellaris being like this.
because you never played them you little retard.
stellaris especially.

>>725042418
Yes I did you imbecile.

>>725041420
OPM's won't teach you to understand the game. You need to understand the game already to play as OPM or tribals. Just play a game as Naples or Holland or something.

>>725042639
You can use OPMs to understand the basics of bigger nations and once you are successfull with bigger nations you can start becoming successful with OPMs.

>>725042418
You shills are smoking crack if you think stellaris is anything like this game. Did your manager tell you both games had "pops" so they must be the same?

>>725042797
its not anything like this game but it has the same gameplay loop he complained off
>Literally wasting money in buildings for 0.01 ducats of benefit and waiting for stability and legitimacy mana to go up to waste it on more 0.01 modifiers

>>725031030
This is nothing like CK3, I don't understand where these comparisons are coming from. The game is like half vic2 quarter imperator rome quarter eu4.

ITS OUT

>>725043235
CK3 appealed to a wide audience of casual normalfags and served as their introduction to the genre.

>>725043123
Stellaris has nothing like that at all. You hoard money and metals to build ships and conquer planets. Play the fucking game before you pretend to know what it's like please.

>>725043294
He's going to be so heartbroken when he realizes how enslaved paradox fans are. Imagine him trying to organize a review bomb over a broken release like total war, it'll be a tragedy.

Pro Tip: turn off the "tick-tock" sound at speed 5 and relax in the ambiance of month start money deposit sounds and construction complete noises.

>>725043370
how do you get that metal and money you fucking retard? you build buildings that give you 0.001% extra minerals

>>725043294
I really like LoTW, I found his channel about year ago and watched some of his videos and few livestreams. He's openly against Creative Assemblys bad decisions which is good.
But I know Paradox fans in the 'safespace' sense so I hope he survives.

>>725043659
Except it isn't 0.01 at all, it's downright comical amounts per month depending on what you build. You can feed whole planets with one station food building. Please play the game before embarassing yourself any further.

>>725043294
>said EUV is his life now or some shit in another vid
good luck
Wonder how a cheese lord is gonna switch to a space already fully occupied by cheese lords and mechanics autists

>>725043798
>You can feed whole planets with one station food building.
After you have stacked up a fuckload of modifiers. How are you this dense?
>I built a farm on an agriculture world that already had shitloads of buffs to food production wowee it fed a whole planet!!

>>725043864
His channel is bigger than most paradox people

>>725043917
More like you build one hydroponic bay on a station, like I said, and get a flat +10 food that teleports anywhere in your empire, with no modifiers needed. Nobody even builds food districts at all because it isn't necessary.

Play.
The.
Game.

>>725042797
>>725043370
he's right, you know. stellaris is nothing like EU5. for example, EU5 is good.

>>725044151
>flat 10 food feeds a planet
ok you're baiting.
>Nobody even builds food districts at all because it isn't necessary.
yep

why is the UI seem so blurry?

>>725044151
You clearly haven't played Stellaris in a while if you think this is remotely viable

>>725044227
Go ahead tell us how much food they give then, you've played the game so you must know, right?

>>725044345
put ur glasses on

Dare I say dem pops lmao

>>725044362
Between starbases, buying from markets or just having a vassal or two you have zero need for planet based food production at all.

>>725044345
UI scaling probably. These games are all made for 1080p.

>>725028006 (OP)
I don't like the start date.

>victoria 3 tier UI
>boring mechanics nobody wants
>way too many provinces
>fucking levies
I can't believe I got memed into thinking this was going to be good

>>725044373
there is a cap to how many starbases you can build you fucking retard. hydroponics bays do give 10 food but that isn't enough to sustain a planet and its a massive waste of a starbase slot. its way more resource efficient to just build a specialised planet that produces food because of how many modifiers you can stack. 10 food is literally fucking nothing, a literal single pop farming produces 6 food before any modifiers. genuinely laughing at how you were trying to be smug about you being completely shit at the game LMAO

>>725044732
stick to civ ms tubman

>>725039404
I don't think the game had any drm to begin with, so no crack needed

>>725044778
>there is a cap to how many starbases you can build
Are you serious right now? You can't be this green I don't believe it.
>a massive waste of a starbase slot
What else do you even put in those slots? I would put pointless shit like hyperlane sensors in there because of how few actually useful buildings there are.

Food planets are a noob trap and always have been, you know nothing.

>>725033884
Literally build to be dismantled by fat ugly Corsicans.

turk bros????

>>725045610
Ottomans can go Jewish day 1 if you really want

>>725030101
Why would a brainlet ever even bother buying a parajew game?

>>725033884
Peak soul. Never in human history has there even been something more soulful.

>>725045284
>Are you serious right now?
yes there is a starbase cap and if you go over it then you exponentially increase the upkeep for all your starbases. so if a retard like you is trying to spam starbases for food production then the energy cost from going over the cap quickly makes it not remotely worthwhile compared to the energy cost of just having farmers. the amount of starbases you'd need to spam would be crazy high unless you have like 2 planets total.
>What else do you even put in those slots?
your starbases should mainly be for ship building, anchorages or trade value collection.
>Food planets are a noob trap and always have been
considering you think mass buying food from the market is more resource efficient I don't think you really understand what you are talking about.

>starting date 1337
Z0MG H4XX0R5!!1!1

I tried playing EU5 for a bit, but I just don't like the game.
Looks a lot like letting Johan free reign with autistic micromanagement in the game was a mistake. It's not fun. I don't want this.

>>725045959
I say this.

>60 currency coins
wheres the magnet

>>725046409
How is Austria? Is there anything to railroad them unifying with the Hungarians?

How long do you think will it take for a mod that changes the UI into EU4 icons and textures to drop?

>>725046540
I haven't played them, but in my Portugal game if you pay attention to royal marriages it's trivial to get a union (they're weaker and different from eu4) or union cb. There may be a situation later or you just need to play Austria as a diplo state.

>>725046540
No.

Also most of the railroading is pretty broken. HRE, Turks, India, Italy, hordes, China, Inca. All broken.

>>725046476
in same places as always

>>725040060
>/gsg/
i miss it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXRQmu3gRWw

why is England not in recommended? (first time player)

>>725047081
England has to immediately go fight France, one of the most powerful countries in the game, because 100 year war.

>>725045958
You don't build them for food you idiot baby you use them to spam anchorages everywhere for fleets. Said anchorages only need one building slot for the logistics office leaving three more for whatever you want. It's literally just free and constant food on top of what you're already building them for. Starbase cap is a joke because if you're building using your brain instead of doing dumb shit like working food you have more than enough energy to afford it. You also can buy plenty of food early on without inflation so you're clueless there as well. Even if you don't want to trivialize food entirely with vassals working food is just pointless, as those pops could be better spent on things you actually need like alloys and research. None of this is new it's been the norm for years now, you'd see yourself if you stopped staying in the lines like paradox wants you to.

>>725047081
Why would you want to play as the bad guys?

>>725047081
didn't play them yet but i assume the hundred years war would be a lot to take in for a new player since you kinda are forced to naval invade a powerful enemy

It's boring. EU4 remains the only grand strategy game I like, thanks to its high pace and overflow of content.

>>725047342
>It's boring.
The speed is slow and not much is happening. Quite like Vic3.

I like missions. I like not having to micro manage buildings. I like things grand.

>>725047179
>bad guy
I am proud to make the lessers seethe

>>725047496
There's always, always something happening in EU4. That's why it's a video game and not a video.

>>725028006 (OP)
compared to eu4 i have no clue what i'm doing even with a much better tutorial and ten layers of automation, gonna need to see some guides, there are so many levers to pull that i don't understand which ones i actually SHOULD pull

>>725028006 (OP)
>Unify Grossgermany day 1 through console
>Observe
>Unpause
>Collapses
Heh

>>725047603
I was talking about EU5. EU4 is the perfect grand strategy game. EU5 is like one of those autistic EU4 mods.

>>725047342
Normie faggots, stay in your gay eu4 mindset while real gag chuds get to enjoy this. Faggot I bet you would say the same about vicky2

>>725047675
Problem is that it's 100 tiny levers. None of them are big, but you still have to pull them all correctly.

How viable is it to just become a massive trade power without ever actually conquering new lands?

>>725047972
Since the AI is very passive and rarely attacks, super viable.

>>725047175
>You don't build them for food you idiot
you were the one saying you build them for food instead of agriculture workers
>It's literally just free and constant food
its not free since you have to spam starbases for it and by the time you are spamming anchorages 10 food is literally nothing. pick a lane.
>You also can buy plenty of food early on without inflation
you can also just spend your energy on worthwhile things.
>you're building using your brain instead of doing dumb shit like working food you have more than enough energy to afford it
again you could spend that energy on actually useful things if you bothered to actually plan out your economy and you wouldn't have to waste shitloads at the market too.
and again you would rather your vassals give you food rather than research or alloys. like nigga at the point in the game where you have multiple vassals giving you enough food for your entire empire you can literally just have 1 food planet and not need to rely on vassals.
you definitely only play on like the easiest easy mode in singleplayer lmao. you saw some shitty cheese video years ago and think thats its unironically the optimal way to play.

and all this is such pedantic retardation. like you are doubling down so hard on the fact that a single starbase module gives you 10 food as if that's a represention of stellaris as a whole, as if almost the entire economy isn't pop based and you stack minuscule modifiers like the original person was whining about. such an embarrassing pseud meltdown.

>>725048430
To be fair to the Stellaris player, they redo the game every 2 years.

>>725047050
/vst/ is a million times better but so do i

>>725047805
Kill yourself. You are the reason paradox sucked so much the last ten years. Go play your consolized soulless manaslop, or just go back to total war and stop trying to ruin the white man's genre
Get ass cancer and die

>>725048858
I see years of being deprived social contact has degenerated you incapable of formulating a single valid argument. Poor soul.

>>725041125
yes. don't buy it

EU4 felt like an electronic board game
This feels like a simulation
I like it

>>725049102
>NOOOO MANASLOP IS SO MUCH BETTER
>MUH HECKIN MP RYUKYU WORLD CONQUEST
Move on. This isn't a genre for you. You are the antithesis of a /GSG/ lover. You ruin everything you try to insert yourself into. You talk like a faggot Jew or worse, a tranny. Kys and do the world a favor

>>725048430
If you're just going to sidestep everything I said as if I just made it up that's fine, we can stop. It won't stop it from being true though. The whole thing is just an example of how the game isn't granular in the least, nowhere even remotely close to eu5, or even 4. Everything you can do or build has big, immediate impacts on your game. Building a single starbase building and making as much food as your starting capital is just one example. Compare this to something like workshops or churches in eu4, things that show up as literal 0.01 bonuses that heavily depend on other systems like modifiers or autonomy and it's like night and day. These games are not comparable at all and any real time in them makes that very obvious.

>>725049320
If boring is your language, that says more about the genre and its fanboys than me.

>>725030101
I keep trying to understand the production/buildings/gathering and markets and I just get tired and quit.

>>725049561
huh? this is the most exciting paradox game since vicky 2

>Runs faster than ever
>Streamlined all the pointless bloat to focus on gameplay
>Ten times more content


Now THIS is how you make a sequel!

... Wait, this was the PREVIOUS game?!

>>725049874
>content
>HOI4 style focus mission trees for epic WC quadruple personal unions and Hellenic Rome
>powercreep "national spirits" that had nothing to do with the nation
good riddance

>>725049874
I don't get you "joke".

>>725028006 (OP)
It's trash from a trash company, just pirate it

>>725049806
oh it's actually really simple: automate production methods and then in 100 hours go look at them again to see if you care to find efficiencies.

Another good tip is that RGO's are always profitable, unlike buildings, so you can't go wrong expanding them in places with high control or on goods your pops/buildings need. Remember, this game is like vicky2 so if your province has certain goods you can get bonuses to certain buildings (wheat/liquor)

>>725049561
Kys trannoid

I need a small nation, which lets you learn mechanics at a slow pace, but still has room to grow to something mid-sized.

>>725048604
I've played stellaris since launch. For all there fiddling and overhauling the gameplay around pops really hasn't changed all that much, it's still just getting asses in seats to make buildings (or districts) work. Nowhere even close to how absurdly detailed eu5 is.

>>725050097
tutorialtugal

I never doubted Johan

>>725050041
probably because you're esl

>>725049528
>If you're just going to sidestep everything I said as if I just made it up that's fine
I didn't sidestep anything you fucking faggot I literally directly replied to it all.
>The whole thing is just an example of how the game isn't granular in the least, nowhere even remotely close to eu5,
no its an example of you cherrypicking a singular minor thing and ignoring the vast majority of how the game actually works. again, most of stellaris is about stacking minor bonuses on planets to make the flow of resources they produce better and better so you can have a bigger fleet of starships than your enemies.
eu5 is about manage a much more complex flow of many more resources so you can have a bigger army than your enemies. you're literally just too stupid to understand how "comparable" they are because you think a single starbase module meaningfully changes the entire design of the game.

>>725033557
it runs at 70% cpu usage even when paused so that's more of your concern than gpu

>>725050097
Brandon's berg

>>725031354
Not doing a good job selling this over CK...

So how do I even get proper CBs for conquest? Does show superiority allow it?

Bros I only have 300 left in my account and it costs me like 150 a month to live right now (november is already payed), I'll find a job and get my first paycheck in december or definitely in january right?

>most of stellaris is about stacking minor bonuses on planets to make the flow of resources they produce better and better so you can have a bigger fleet of starships than your enemies
No it really isn't. Building up is very straightforward and there's plenty of things like said starbase module that are just compounding raw numbers en masse to keep your needs met. Try comparing all the shit pops and buildings need in eu5 compared to the all encompassing "consumer goods" in stellaris, and how you go about producing it, its downright absurd.

>>725050497
Brandenburg is torture thoughever

>>725039494
>>gay retard Crusader Kings portraits shoved everywhere
>normalfags really can't play a game without some face to associate to? you play as a nation not henry bimblo scrimblo the fourth

DEI though, that's why they need the portraits

>>725050853
meant for this weenis >>725050425 obviously

>>725050574
use a spy, or easier, ask for one from your parliament during a debate, it costs 50 support so pick an easy noble one and then hand out favors to the estates like you would normally

>>725050740
Good luck bro, I don't know how realistic that is. It's really soon.

>>725050853
yes it really is.
>Building up is very straightforward and there's plenty of things like said starbase module that are just compounding raw numbers en masse to keep your needs met.
not really though. you said yourself that with this strategy of relying on starbase modules for food that you had to massively rely on trading at the market or abusing vassals which is pretty counter intuitive.
the real way of producing food, minerals, consumer goods etc rely on you building structures and then applying a bunch of modifiers from other buildings, techs, species traits etc to make it even more efficient. this actually is very straightforward and pops in eu5 are just more detailed and complex but its the same straightforward principle of gameplay.

>>725051502
Again, it's not the same at all. Needing more food in stellaris is just asking "how do I get more food or energy" with very simple, obvious answers like buy it from the magical market that never runs out or just build another building or district to make it. Hell just colonize another planet and start producing there. Need more pops? Just click a button and instantly teleport them there from somewhere else. It's like population in civ 5, not even close to the same thing. Compared to the gorillion different things pops and estates and buildings and armies/navies need just to exist and it's anything but straightforward, you can try to boil it down to "I need money for armies to conquer" but that means absolutely nothing when it comes to actually doing it, while it really is that simple in stellaris.

>>725052241
> Needing more food in stellaris is just asking "how do I get more food or energy" with very simple, obvious answers like buy it from the magical market that never runs out or just build another building or district to make it.
yeah and in eu5 you just build some farms and shit whats the major difference? the fact that you don't have a retarded infinite resource market to abuse and instead the market is populated by pops working instead?
it really just seems like you didnt immediately understand the system in eu5 and your psued ego got bruised so you say its bad.

Decided to play Austria and what the fuck is the deal with plagues - from my 1.5 mil I'm standing at 800k after two, how the fuck am I ever supposed to recover all that pop? If a third hits isn't that just gg?

This ugly son of a king slaps the ass of every small, neutral nation whose independance you guarantee. What do?

>>725052740
So you don't understand either game, as I thought. Maybe you should go play them until you do.

>>725052813
Every country gets assfucked with plagues, you're not behind the rest

>>725052954
>vague non argument
just take the L

>>725052893
Open trade relations and flood his market with guillotines

i played for 20 hours straight and i haven't even gotten to 1400 yet

As somebody with 1k hours in EU4, I shan't be playing EU5 until mods and dlc make it good (5 years at least)

>>725053229
Game isn't for you. Fuck off to reddit

>>725053094
I don't think you even understand the argument either, as I never said anything positive or negative about either system. You're the one who not only tried to compare eu5 to those other games, but singled out stellaris in particular, over things like stability and legitimacy, already proved you have no clue what you're talking about and just cling to existence of "pops" like a life raft in the ocean.

>>725053362
Good goy. Make sure to tip Paradox for the shitty release.

>>725028006 (OP)
I refunded it within minutes of playing it.

>>725053468
filtered

>>725053434
Kys eu4 mana baby. Nobody buys your shit
>Uhmmm mana and instant world conquest is le good! Don't you hate pops and economy autism goy??

>>725053229
It's already better than 4 lol. Enjoy your boardgame ans let the bog boys play with a real simulation.

>>725050247
>get rivaled by castile and utterly raped
portugal is not tutorial mode in this one

>>725053491
Yeah that's right filtered by shit

>>725053504
How much are they paying you guys? I've been looking for a side hustle.

>>725053578
I'm being paid in trans tears because paradox has finally moved on from trying to appeal to faggots like you.

>>725053552
bye missionmanababby

>>725053158
based
i did 16h yesterday and got to 1390

>>725047050
>rule the world by building liquor factories

>>725033884
>upper bavaria and lover bavaria
>they are actually east bavaria and west bavaria

>>725053385
>I don't think you even understand the argument either
I do which is why I have BTFO every single one of your retarded points.
> as I never said anything positive or negative about either system
irrelevant?
>you're the one who not only tried to compare eu5 to those other games, but singled out stellaris
I didn't do either of these things lmao. I didn't specify any of those games and I didn't single out stellaris. you brought up those games and you tried to act like I hadn't played it.
>over things like stability and legitimacy
because I don't consider these to be core to the gameplay really. its like happiness in stellaris, its there but its not really the bedrock of the game.
> already proved you have no clue what you're talking about
I proved I know exactly what I'm talking about which is why I have refuted everything you have said.
> just cling to existence of "pops" like a life raft in the ocean
why yes I do draw comparison between core gameplay mechanics rather than talking about a single fucking station module and act like it represents the entire design of the game LMAO

>>725053794
upper and lower anything never referred to their map locations

>EU5 is unapproachable, unfriendly to beginners, complex, confusing, and arcane
we're so back

NOOOOOOOO I NEED MY MANA AND MISSIONS

>>725053785
should replace the "liquor" with "schwedentrunk"

>>725054054
Based Johan.

>>725053887
>I didn't specify any of those games and I didn't single out stellaris.
You did, right here >>725042418
Unless of course this wasn't you, and you wasted a whole lot of your own time on someone else's behalf. It could have stayed limited to that if you weren't so appalled at the very common notion that building food on planets is wasteful that you had to derail into defending farms.

>>725050247
Portugal is too important in this game to let it be managed by an incompetent newbie.

>>725053158
How?

>>725053468
It is genuinely good this time around. I hated EU4.

>>725033557
Even RX 550 2GB runs it with 2D mapmode.

>>725054956
>You did, right here
quite literally shows that I wasn't the person to specify those games? are you retarded or just pretending? lmao?
>It could have stayed limited to that if you weren't so appalled at the very common notion that building food
because you tried to say you can feed entire planets with a single module of a starbase you fucking cretin.
my argument the entire time was about how the games are similar to what the original post described and that food production in stellaris does infact follow similar mechanics.
majority of food is gathered by pops to sustain pops so pops can work buildings that gather resources so you can build a big fleet. and that the game is about optimizing the flow of these resouces with gradually increasing modifiers just like eu5.
you were trying say that stellaris doesn't follow this format because a specific starbase module exists and you can buy food from a market.
if you weren't so desperate to try to prove I didn't play a game that I obviously have played then you might have actually been able to have some sort of argument that wasn't completely fucking retarded.

>>725030636
What is the appeal of that generic fantasy shit

>>725053551
>>725055098
For some reason after the nobles rebelled Castille hated me, so I consider this humiliation war to be a success because I'm peacing out for war reps since I can't beat this guy and beja has industry.

>>725036514
It's like when you open a tiktok comment section and all the gen alpha and z npcs are parroting the same shit literally for upvotes

>>725030636
Is black woman Napoleon a fake edit or actually in game?

I hate blobbing. EU would be great if it were like Attila Total War. It's a much better formula instead of blobbing you start off as a blob about to be ripped a part and the goal is survive

>>725056834
I mean you just need to play as a nation like that. eg Byzantium

>>725041125
Divide et impera? Surely, if you're Machiavellian enough

>>725056758
are you dumb?

>>725028006 (OP)
goty fr fr no cap

>>725056298
If you really want to play Portugal, the war is really easy if you ally Aragon. The AI can't handle all those fronts and Portugal is actually pretty well fortified so you can do a guerilla war by carpet occupying the undefended province capitals

this shit is somehow an even more boring cookie clicker game than vicky3, where even less stuff happens.

>>725037860
gay

>>725057394
I picked portugal to play pacifist in the first place, but yes I will be allying aragon now.

nevermind, they wouldn't take war reps so the run is over i'm starting a new game, i didn't make it to 1400 and i blame the ai for being retarded declaring on me with sky high relations

Does it have pop autism?
It was my favorite thing about Vic 2 but I absolutely couldn't get into EU4

>>725030636
>It's too different. I just wanted a graphically updated EU4, not CK3 in the 1600s.
kek
fuck you
lmao
kill yourself

>>725059468
There's pops and no mana

>>725059468
POPs are the name of the game

>>725058218
Chuds won
You lost
Go back to total war

>>725056758
It's not even Napoleon...

After playing 12 hours
I kneel johan

Never played an EU game but I loved CK2, CK3, Vic2.
What are the odds I like this game?

>>725060369
From the other thread:

>EU5 plays like one of those autistic EU4 mods that just add a lot of clicks with no depth.

You can just pirate it and see if you like it or not.

>>725060369
If you love V2 then you will love EU5
EU4/CK3 babs will hate it

>>725060369
100%. It reminds me that the dogshit era of Eu4/hoi4/stellaris is gone and dead now and faggots (see: >>725060589) are so mad that they can't just sleep through a wholesome chungus world conquest so they're seething. /gsg/ won

What the fuck is this horseshit? I wiped an entire generation of *nglos away and the game is giving them free warscore for some reason

>>725028006 (OP)
>It's actually 30% of a full game, as you're drip fed and forced to buy $40 DLC that was supposed to be base content for the next 15 years

Theres no way you faggots still fall for this shit? They keep doing this every time so why would it be any different for this game?

>>725061064
>Mom I posted it again
You lost

>>725028006 (OP)
It's fun but the fine cloth and tools eco meta is boring.
Like for example as England you just set up cloth and fine cloth workshops instead of exporting wool to the Netherlands region and make 4x times the money.
There are also many bugs.

>>725061267
>There are also many bugs.

This is one of many reasons why you should never buy a Paradox game at launch.

>>725050041
typical "american humour" NOT joke.

>>725061267
isn't that just refining your raw resources into more valuable complex resources? seems less of a "meta" than just intended game mechanic

>save up 50 shekels
>buy building for 0.1 extra income
>repeat
that's the big game people wanted. wow.

>>725061791
its a shame literally nothing else happens on the map or the nations or characters or events or economy. It's just the 0.1 button.

>>725061232
Yes thats a good little pay piggy, make sure you buy the $85 version of the game and MAYBE you'll get the DLC marked for $35 instead of $40 when it comes out in 2027, despite it already being planned and developed for the main game. You idiots genuinely never learn

>>725061791
>Brown people can't fathom the idea of investing into yourself to slowly generate more wealth
Really says a lot about eu4 cucks

>>725061791
this is literally eu4 peacetime

>>725050097
Norway, you can turn the personal union with Sweden into one where you are the senior

Playing tall in these games when it was rigged against small nations used to be a kind of cool thing.
EU5 is absolutely rigged to completely hamstring big empires and tall is overpowered easy mode.

>>725062039
There's fuckall to build that's worth your money in early game EU4 though. The eco shit happens in midgame after you've fueled your early game through conquest.

>>725050097
Muscovy unironically. You basically have to build up your economy from ground up and you have plenty of time to expand and outgrow your neighboors at your own pace.

>>725028006 (OP)
No it is not

>>725062668
to comment on two of those:
>too many provinces
cloned from meiou and also to make colonizing feel more impactful
>why does the game need to simulate hours?
ive been playing for 12 hours so far and literally only 1 mechanic, bombardment (pre-combat phase) has mentioned hours and it lasts a nice and uneven 5 hours

How long does it take to recover from black death population wise? Diseases are crazy strong in this game. Fucking small pox epidemics also take away good chunk of people.

>>725062668
Hours are good, battle used to last multiple months sometimes in eu4

>>725062668
I hate casual scum so fucking much

>>725062938
hours are just the months extended to obscure the timescale, they add nothing to the depth of the game

>>725061663
Except it doesn't reflect the historic reality that setting up a brand new clothing industry in a mostly rural country would be way more less profitable than just exporting it to an industrialized (for it's time) area that specializes in cloth making.

>>725028006 (OP)
is it woke?

>>725050097
cahokia

>>725063098
well doesnt it cost a lot to build the buildings?

>>725063064
Makes it harder to reinforce the battle

>>725063230
No.
With low cost lumber one building costs 33 gold and ears 6-8 gold per month in a zone with 100% control.
So if you build few in your capital and cities with big control you get your investment back in less than a year.

>>725030636
for over a year there have been daily dev updates telling you it wasnt going to be EU4:2

>>725063158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZjYDxxswb8

>>725063610
You can automate the balance tab right? That would include both minting and taxes.

>>725063907
is this satire

Grand strategy fags, how can you dedicate 1000s of hours to these games; hearts of iron, crusader kings, europa, ect, when the ai is beyond dogshit?
like it poses no challenge whatsoever, and dosent even react to half the shit you do.
Where is the mental stimulation from playing against something like that?

>>725028006 (OP)
>>its actually good
on release? I don't believe you

>>725064460
AI in Crusader Kings is the only tolerable one because it at least acts according to personality traits. Irrational behavior is excusable when the king is a literal retard.

>>725064460
Are you implying you play games with good AIs?

>>725057217
>>725059992
answer

>>725031030
>I like CK3
Fucking how? There's a million systems in that game and you get to do absolutely fuck all with them

After playing a few hours I didn't really get a click in my head. I blobbed a bit, and I found I didn't really care for it. I'll just build shit to make me blob more. You can definitely get by with tall but for what purpose? Just to swing around an army bat and help someone else expand?
I'm going back to Vicky 3, at least there I can play "tall" by inserting my capitalist cock in other countries and inseminating them with investment

>>725041310
>I am bad at learning new things
oh boy, not a great life trait

>>725064796
>I'm going back to Vicky 3
bait is supposed to be believable

>>725064796
>Just to swing around an army bat and help someone else expand?
Playing tall in most games is largely about either achieving some kind of victory goal or simply being able to overpower somebody by expanding internally until you can conquer everybody.

>>725041125
You can blame minorities (J*ws, R*mani) for causing the black plague, giving your country a nice stability boost. You can expel said minorities.

>>725028006 (OP)
>>725056298
I give it 2 months before these get aligned vertically to the left side of the screen

>>725057254
Based. The cross even has the Corpus.

>>725062347
That's the same issue Sulla described when he was a beta tester and design consultant for Civ games and other 4X games. Game designers get this idea that "tall" should be just as viable as "wide" without realizing that means making sitting around not expanding optimal, which isn't fun.

>>725062858
>cloned from meiou

HAHAHA really?! Someone in the other thread said EU5 felt like an EU4 mod that made everything more complicated for the sake of being more complicated, and that's exactly what MEIOU was. Is EU5 a copy of MEIOU?!

>>725063064
of course they do, I can finally larp realistic battles in my head

>>725064708
It's both not in game, and the original isn't Napoleon. Ffs he isn't the only guy to ride a horse.

>>725065697
paradox hired one of the main meiou modders (...and it's a good thing!)

>>725063925
Yeah but sometimes I want to keep the estates at more than 50% happiness so it would be nice to have the option to automate just minting.

>>725062919
Around 1390
T. Playing novogrod around 1400

>>725064708
It's an edit you mouthbreathing retard.

>>725063907
He tried really hard to be funny but it fell flat.

>>725062858
Isn't troop movement also hour-based? It's pretty much a warfare-only mechanic but it feels so much better than EU4's meme month-long battles

Is Stellaris still ruined or have they fixed it? I wish they would release a sequel so they would stop fiddling with and experimenting with Stellaris.

>>725063098
wasn't britain's entire economic strategy in the raj to destroy india's pre-existing textile industry so they could sell their own factory-made stuff to indians?

>>725067873
>EU4's meme month-long battles
Will starting a battle get you reinforced to death like in most/all Paradox games i.e. HOI4?

>>725062668
>Automation is a flaw, not a success.
Retard take. Having the choice to not interact with every single mechanic in the game at once is one of the best things they have come up with.

>>725068274
I have struggled to reinforce battles in this game, granted that I haven't played much, but I think there's also a reinforcement efficiency mechanic that dictates how well reinforcing units join the battle. By the time I reinforce the lines they are already low morale and the reinforcements don't help, but I haven't done a proper reinforce bait to say that trick is gone. One thing that's annoying is ping-ponging armies, but I think that army objectives should help with that but I'm just not used to using that mechanic either.

>>725028006 (OP)
we are so back history enjoyers

>>725068159
Britain's industrially-made textiles were superior and cheaper than India's.

>>725033537
>Kiev
You lost tranny

>>725068730
i see you skipped straight to the part where the uk was already making cloth in factories (using indian materials) to sell to their captive market and ignored the part where indian textiles were so good and in such high demand that the uk government banned them and drove indian producers out of business via taxation and mutilating weavers.

FYI, this game doesn't have Steam DRM so you can just close the Steam client and play offline. If you're still on the fence about buying the game, just buy it (lol) and exit Steam, then you can play as long as you want and still return it within 2 weeks because you won't get any playtime. 2 hours isn't nearly enough to form an opinion on this game.

>>725069362
You're engaging in revisionism. Textiles made by Indian peasants were (and are) of inferior quality to those made in Western nations. Cope.

I feel like a fucking troglodyte even the tutorial in Hungary feels daunting to get through. At least in CK3 you could largely ignore the minutiae.

>>725065632
uhhhh I thought this game was supposed to be historically accurate.
WTF is happening!

>>725070008
Clearly they weren't or else India wouldn't have controlled the global textile market at the time. You're engaging in idiotic faggotry by pretending there was some kind of natural qualitative and competitive advantage when the history is extremely clear that Britain engineered an artificial advantage via political choices and economic pressure that became self-sustaining by shutting down possible competition. That cloth increased in quality and efficiency later as technology improved further is not relevant since the point of this information is that, no, shipping your raw materials to a country that value-adds and sells a finished product at a higher price is not actually a guaranteed economic win for the raw material seller. It can be, but it depends on the situation.

>>725070247
>Novgorod
I want to play in Russia but the control is going to be so ass
I haven't actually reached paved roads yet but gravel roads felt so fucking worthless

>>725070310
>be 1/3 of the global population
>get mogged by 1% of the global population that is 2000 miles away
>no they just bent trade in their favor! we were actually #1!
very very embarassing saar.

>>725070247
Ottomans aka the true Roman Empire are just committing to the larp.

>>725068970
lol u mad bro?

>>725062668
>iphone poster
>can't even form his own opinion
checks out

>>725070446
yea I realized that. I gave estonia back the north shore. I intergrated them and made them orthodox and still 0 control
just doing vassals now and doing some colonial map painting to the north to keep up with sweden and norway.
the invite prince as leader of the republic is so awkward, its basically a temporary pu and you're the lesser partner. you want to be a trader but it tracks you serfdom and aristocracy. very awkward nation. 3(4 cities if you diplo annex pskov) and then its just 10 or less control for basically everything else.

>think the ottomans got force converted and are getting pushed in
>the ottomans that converted
?????

>>725064708
yes but only if you choose swedish language

i hope they fix the ottomans, in my game and 2 more I have seen they don’t even have conquer the whole Anatolia by 1600.

>>725071336
im just sad that around 1400 Timur doesn't come to anatolia and buttfuck them like irl.
It would be so funny

France is really the tutorial country.
The vassal swarm handles all wars.

>>725071336
>lets set the start date 25-50 years before all the powers of note distinguished themselves above their neighbors
I just dont get why they did it. For the rest of the games lifespan railroading is going to be a key issue because of this shit that they could've just avoided completely by starting the game a couple of decades later.

Is it even worth trying this with a 3600x and 16gigs, I've been meaning to update but now RAM is inflated

>>725071593
which is even worse when you can’t really start playing the game until the black death ends, in ck 2&3 is was the final boss of “I hope you did your duties with the hospitals!”, in here it just feels like a filter.

>>725053794
Upper and lower in terms of geography has always meant elevation, retard

>>725071591
Except for whatever the fuck this >>725060940 is

>>725060940
The same thing happened to me, I'm not sure if it's a bug or what because I had more battle warscore but England was still ticking.
It's not a big deal though. Truces are short, I peaced that war out and declared the next one for cores on Aquitaine, then I was the one getting tickers.

>>725033884
I had an opportunity to turn Lower/Upper Bavaria into my Union as France, would that have made me the Emperor? I settled for the Holland PU

>>725065697
Kys tranny

>>725062668
>UHMMM why can't I just use mana to get le instant results and "feedback"?!

I'm so happy johan doesn't give a shit what these "people" think

>>725072472
don't suck Johan that hard, remember that imperator was him completely gargling their kind

I am still learning, any babby mode tutorial nations?

>>725073242
It's called France.

I have no idea how the morale mechanic works but I just beat a 6k stack with a 4k army and I won, and neither of us took many casualties, he just broke like a complete bitch and ran away.

>>725073371
probably to do with flanks
i fucking hate that merging armies doesn't balance the flanks, i've lost so many battles because of a super weak flank

>>725065190
keep that shit secret on 4chan. the ADL will start sending emails to paradox

is there a way to get my vassal to move their capital. it is in a fuck retarded spot. giving 90% of his land 0 control.
I couldn't seize it since its not touching me

>>725073670
You basically always have to play Paradox games with console commands because of dumb shit like this.

The black plague casually wiping out half of my population in a year is wrecking me and I'm all for it. Too many times were plagues just a nothingburger, now it has actual serious impacts

Has anyone done the HYW as England? How doable is it?

>heir gets raised by some foreign BVLL
>doesn't educate my heir
>heir becomes a complete retard with awful stats

>>725073242
Having good time with Bohemia. You start with PU, lot of vassals, quantity of different goods, in HRE, small and mid nations around to eat and hungary and poland to fight. And you can convert to hussite later and have fun times with the pope. Even if you fuckup your game does not end (just dont pu poland and hungary at the same time) and lot of mechanics to safely figure it out at your own pace.

>>725062668
they should open with a first dotpoint that isn't just "i'm an ignorant retard".

Even if they make a valid point later its tainted by the opening being so bad.

I'm a cuckold
Yes I play Paradox map painting/spread sheet games

>>725074008
yeah bohemia is piss easy. i accidentally became HRE emperor and #2 great power doing absolutely nothing. i only annexed subjects and automated my economy

Glorious bohemia was the most powerful region on earth for like 250 years. The hussites almost solo'd Europe and the combined forces of Catholicism. If it wasn't for the internal hussite split, we would all be speaking bohemian rhapsody

is the TENOKE version safe?

>>725074319
I thought I'd be fucking around with the economy a lot more, but I really like putting it on auto and just playing with other mechanics instead

>>725074549
i automated the economy primarily to observe what it thought was optimal. apparently there's a gold mine right next to prague that shits out infinite gold

>>725074767
>i automated the economy primarily to observe what it thought was optimal.
I did the exact same but never felt like turning it off

>>725030101
kek I just did this with ck3. Have over 1k maybe 2k on hoi4 ck2 vic2-3 but I can't play these games anymore. It's both tedious to learn them but also know how what the limitation are. It's like with all games, once you know the patterns the magic is gone and notice how gimmicky everything is

>automate economy
>AI builds some factories, draining my treasure, but at the end my income's about the same as before
uhhh

>>725076038
one event dropping 7 stability does more damage to your income than an entire year's worth of investment can prop it up

>>725076038
it takes some time for peasants to be upgraded in social class to work in certain buildings iirc

>>725076038
If your control is low and your crown power is bellow 25% no amount of buildings will help you improve economy.
Starting move is always to get to 100 legitimacy and swap laws to increase crown power and move to centralization with the next parliament.

>>725076390
>>725076286
I'll check my economy in 5 years then.
>>725077029
Control isn't great but my crown power is 100. I'm probably, most likely, just super bad, the only Paradox game I've actually played a lot of is Vicky 2, but I expected automated economy to make more of a difference.

So how cannons work in this game? you buy the same magical 1k arty stacks like in eu4?

>>725074474
Historybros is this true historically???

are there any mods that remove natives and africans yet

>>725080661
thats the gameplay you fucking moron.

>>725080720
no I want them gone for FPS reasons

>>725074008
SNAKEHEMIA BROS WE ARE SO BACK

>>725080772
Again, that's called a gameplay incentive.

>>725081092
not the same thing, it would make every single game the same
we need to start off from a state where natives and africans don't exist already

>hover mouse anywhere on the screen
>giant fucking tooltip

>>725081663
Kino

This shit has crashed on me like 3 times

So I tried to play AUH instead but its not as interesting as EU5 right now

>>725081034
>Megaspain
>Burgundy
>Styria
>Papal Italy
>DANMORK
We are hitting based levels previously thought impossible

>>725081034
Well, my goal for my bohemia campaign is to snake from norway through Constantinopole, egypt, east african coast all the way down to Cape of good hope. Try to kill all indians (in India) - might be doable with disease hoarding prof troops, colonize spice islands, vassalize Japan and convert it to hussite.

>*kills 50 million Europeans in your path*
Why did he do it?

>>725039494
I get annoyed at the tech tree having to scroll all the way to the right every time. It really needs a zoom function so you can zoom out and quickly scroll to where you want to look

>>725081728
What is AUH?

>>725082693
CK3's new dlc, all under heaven.

>>725082773
Sank you.

Utter newfag to grand strategy shit but like history, Should I play EU4 or EU5? What's more newfag friendly and the better game? I'm not afraid to sink hundreds of hours to learn autistic shit.

>>725073242
Hunary, Bulgaria and Serbia are good choices
Devs said they think Korea is a good tutorial nation if you want something outside of europe

>>725082867
EU4 is for normal autists

EU5 is for the super autists

>>725074516
Nope
the only safe version is to by the digital deluxe edition on steam and then buy a second copy for a friend. then paradox will remove the bitcoin miner for a fee of course

>>725082867
grand strategy is inherently anti newfag

>>725083069
how do newfags become grand autists then?

>>725077248
>Crown power is 100
No that would not be possible. The crown icon on the top bar is your legitimacy.
Crown power is how powerful your crown estate is. You see that in the estate menus.

This is my first ever GSG. I have absolutely zero idea what I'm doing but I'm pretty sure I'm having fun.

>>725083164
they study and toil in silence until they know how to play

>>725083164
In the case of EU5 you watch a 2 hour minimum youtube video then flounder in game for like 10 hours

>>725083164
one day the autism brainworm will burrow in

>>725083284
Sign me up. What's the /gsg/+/v/ offical recommended youtube tutorial?

>>725083359
>What's the /gsg/+/v/ offical recommended youtube tutorial?
There is none the game is brand new. Just search youtube

>>725083241
>looking at the map
>see what I know know is the HRE "I wish to conquer them all and make them one nation"
>see the tribes in America "I wish to take this tiny shithole and make it an economic giant"

I don't know how I plan to accomplish any of that, I can barely build shit but I will find a way (probably).

>>725033537
>Kiev
it's actually Kyiv now, sweetie

>>725083284
>look for beginners guide on a GSG game
>FASTEST, QUICKEST WAY TO LEARN THE GAME BEST BEGGINNERS GUIDE [CURRENT YEAR]
>2 hours adn 45 minutes
>Video 1 of 15

https://youtu.be/y3wmOBtiHkM

this one is a banger FR FR

>>725045720
>Buying
Ha
Hahhahha
HAHAHAHA

>>725082374
>why did he do it
He didn't. You've got the wrong guy.

DO NOTHING BUT BUILD SETTLEMENTS IMMEDIATELY
+1% POP GROWTH IS CRAZY OP

>>725083684
Pretty good. Still can't beat the paradox christmas carol from a few years ago.

>>725083684
EU4 had some Italian opera style songs. Does this have some too? Also just give it to me straight is this an Imperator Rome situation or is it actually worth playing right now?

>>725083535
fugg

>>725084265
As far as paradox new releases go this is the best in the last decade. It feels reasonably feature complete, at least from what I've played in europe, and though I hear some people are having a real problem with bugs I've only experienced some very occasional crashes. If you want to give it a go I think it's worth it right now, but yknow as ever with paradox it's also not gonna hurt just waiting a few months.

Is there literally any reason not to fully automate trade from minute 1? Who the fuck is actually going to manually send out buy and sell orders, get real

>>725083684
this one is from eu 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IriHuHQnMIw

>>725030636
>ck3 in the 1600s
Will I actually have to buy this? I love Ck2/3, and didn't like EUIV.

>>725085373
Its nothing like CK3 I have no idea why people are saying it.

It is like Victoria, though

Bohemia is actually really fun to play and not just because their immense power
>Enough income to actually do stuff without being broke as fuck constantly
>Diplomacy options up the wazoo
>Can shape Catholicism
>Ability to power project without getting curb stomped
It's fun and I say this as a guy who hasn't touched them in 20 years

>can play as any random city of bumfuckingen in europe
>cannot play as a specific tribe in the Golden Horde
Come on.

The music is great. I really like it so far. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I feel like after a few years of DLC this has the potential to be the best paradox game ever. This feels more Victoria 3 than Victoria 3.

>Pick a 6 world micro country shithole (bonus points if it's an island)
>Bring it to greatness like a character in a chinese cultivation novel
All in a day's work.

Has anyone tried a libshit refugees welcome playthrough so far? With pops being as important as they are I imagine it's like vicky2 USA being OP as fuck because of unlimited importing of immigrants

>>725086419
>USA being OP as fuck because of unlimited importing of immigrants
So just like in real life

>>725086419
>OP as fuck because of unlimited importing of immigrants
Yes. More pops = more workers & larger taxbase = more $$$
Open your gates.

>>725083535
>>725068970
>t.

>>725084071
You know Christmas is coming soon when this pops into the playlist.
https://youtu.be/IhWEqQSjPM8

>>725028006 (OP)
Game takes too long to play and I can't mindlessy blob

>>725033884
Isn't this just anarcho capitalism? City states with kings.

>>725028006 (OP)
UI sucks. And the some tooltips when you hover over don't explain why X is an issue when you hover over it.

>>725087501
Hover over more stuff

>>725086951
I love holiday season campaigns so much, I'm gonna have to mod this song back in to EU5.

>>725028006 (OP)
How in god's name is this post still up? Just either buy it or pirate it already and be done with it, jebus h.....

>>725086284
gawd bless bach
https://youtu.be/ys_6Sm_v6oQ

>>725043474
You'd be making a great point if you weren't retarded, wrong and all the examples of EU4 and its DLC getting review bombed over bad releases, you retard.

>>725061974
>reeee there should be 16 years worth of content at release
Based retard.

>>725086284
Some tracks are adaptive changing instruments depending of what you're doing in game.

>>725088498
Are you stupid?

>new game releases in 2025
>it's good

>>725056295
exterminating minorities is fun

>>725085373
It's nothing like CK3. EU5 is ultimately Imperator 2.0, and that's a good thing. It's also not that surprising, as Imperator was Johan's previous game.

>>725031735
Countries are differentiated by the unique reforms, advances, and most importantly, the unique situation they are in. Do you really think that a HRE prince plays exactly the same as Muscovy or Naples? Obviously, not having a heckin' epic button for claims and cores on the whole world is upsetting for some people.

>>725033220
You're supposed to use vassals at the start.

>>725089003
I trusted johans plan, and it was glorious.

>just realized distance matters when using trade capacity
I always went for the juicy Egyptian fruit...

>>725081034
what should have bean

>>725053650
who didn't see this coming

>mostly positive
Holy fucking flop. Paradox spent years on this, and nobody likes it. Combined with VTMB2 flopping this is embarrassing for them.

>>725089429
>game is too complex
>negative review
Why do people do this? Why can't they just say it's not for them?

>>725089584
The EU4 audience is completely filtered by this game, and the target audience is enjoying it but is also pirating it. Called this ages ago. Expect a complete overhaul of the game to simplify it in the future.

>>725041125
Yes, civilization-style with women who where nowhere near power as characters.

>>725086284
Yeah, agree. There are a lot of bugs, like randomly losing union seniority, but the core game is really solid and the vision is there. No arcady mission trees, pure pop kino.

>>725089429
People who want simple GSGs can stick to EU4 or CK3.
I'm glad devs weren't scared to release a complex GSG for a change.

>>725089775
They will be scared by poor sales and/or reviews

>>725056295
Because I can play as lizard people (((merchants))) funding pygmy warlords in fantasy Madagascar
When my army of magic lizards and cannibal midgets gets strong enough, my lizard-pygmy death squads will sweep over fantasy Africa in a tide of death and exterminate all Bantu Africans and furries I find

>>725030636
Piracy and coast raiding in ingame bro...
Ottomans for example have national bonuses for coast raiding to funnel their slave trade center buildings.
In the late 1600s there is the golden age of piracy situation in the Caribbean but you can pirate with specific countries anytime.

>>725089942
>This is your average Eu4 troon
I'm so thankful that Nordic autism won. Thank you johan for filtering these homos

>>725089942
I'm just waiting until they will fully commit and release a standalone fantasy GSG.
Stellaris and the total war warhammer games proved non-historical strategy games sell too.

probably been asked before in this thread but i've never played grand strategy games before
should i buy this, IV or CK3?

>>725090217
IV and creamAPI all the DLC

>>725090260
nuts that vic3 and ck3 is on sale right now but not eu4. i get why but c'mon

>>725090217
Depends what you are looking for.
EU4 is dated and unplayable without multiple DLCs.
CK3 is more a roleplay simulator where you control a single character at a time.
EU5 is new and already has more features than EU4 with all DLCs but it is buggy since it's a new release.

>>725090217
Pirate EU V and try and get into it. It surpasses EU IV in terms of what it is at its core. It will be the best paradox game ever in a few years.

Can pops convert culture in this one?

>>725090567
yes

>>725090567
Even better
You can deport or kill them

>>725090325
difficult to know what i really want out of these games as my only experience was opening up CK2 around when it launched and being a bit overwhelmed by the scope of it and the learning curve

now i'm a bit older and really want to sink my teeth into a game with a lot of depth

>>725090379
i think this is what i'll do

>>725090724
Well, I kinda want to get them in and make them mine over time...

>>725086419
I fucked myself as the Ottomans by accepting the Greeks. It didn't tell me how much cultural capacity it was going to take and now I have massive devuffs for being 3x over the cap. Spent the next 50nyears genociding them to get the capacity back down as I wasn't going to each the 200 stab hit to remove them.

>>725090107
Piracy being a situation in-game is retarded when it started because of all the privateers at the end of a war (forget which one, but Anglos won it). Game should also cause a conflict of interest in the Carribbeans between the colonisers that then creates the pirates.

So did we ever figure out what nation is the most customizable while still being easy to play

>>725090321
Then vicky 3
CK3 isn't a grand strategy game, it's like the Sims but more autistic

>>725089942
Isn't that the area that does the space colonization?

>>725091026
You can privateer since the age of discovery once you unlock the technology.

How do I remove the Jew and promote Scandanavian immigration into Brandenburg

>>725091102
>Be me
>Marry my daughter, sister, mom, and niece to keep the noble bloodline pure
>Get boner
>Quit out of shame
CKbros...

>>725028006 (OP)
So is this somehow not bugged to shit as per the normal paradox release?

>>725091694
Pretty playable but there are some glaring bugs like giving you random claim throne CBs where you can't pick the option to unionize the target in the peace deal.

>>725091154
Yeah

>>725091918
Hmm... I'll give it 3 months if only for the reason that eu4 is my favorite map game

>>725091241
Accept Branden, pogrom Burg