Thread 725030589

Babies first RTS.

Starcraft lost.

>>725030617
And Starcraft isn't even an RTS. It's a MOBA.

>>725030589 (OP)
were not in 2005 anymore unc nobody plays rts but old people lmao

>>725030662
TA has caves?

>>725030696
Why are zoomers so stupid?

>>725030589 (OP)
For me it was RA 2.

>>725030589 (OP)
That's AOE 2

The Dark Legionsbros...

we have this thread every day.

over 9000 hours in ms paint

Reminder that to play RTS you don't need to gookclick. You need to just stop being stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5xTD-H9D-g

>>725032895
>warcraft III
baby first rts, only aoe2 and BW require high APM, also both of those are alive for a reason.

>>725033053
Warcraft 3 is in playable state too. If you want high apm then don't play wc3, or what is it that you're trying to tell?

>>725033207
Good games require High APM, Dota...er... W3 is not a good game and it's competitive scene is dead. It was dead back in the ICCUP/Fish days compared to broodwar and now it will be for life.

W3 just like SC2 are not good games, sorry.

>>725033309
Anon go be funny somewhere else. I am speaking to the people who say that they will never play RTS again because all of it requires too high APM to play.

>>725033445
They were never going to play RTS in first place, there's a reason why LoL and Dota took over the genre. BW and AOE2 thrive because of their mechanical difficulty. Sorry grubby.

>>725033727
BW is dead as fuck though, is this a bot

>>725033865
30k people in battle net last time i checked.

I missed the korea time thread I’m sad I didn’t get to make fun of artosis still thinking a map that is 20:1 W/L in favor of Zerg is actually a Protoss map

>>725033865
kek it's the south Korean national sport with ongoing tournaments to this day.

>>725030662
it's evolving

>>725034359
Cool, South Korea has the second highest suicide rate on the planet

>>725033053
APM is mot = fun
However, WC3 = fun

>>725030589 (OP)
That's not AoE2. But SC2 is the better game.

>>725033865
People here don't play video games. They just make some thread where they circlejerk about a group of 10 asians who play the game.

>>725032214
Why would you use Bigfoot then draw a single arc

>>725034592
it's a post-scarcity satrapy governed by a feminist christcuck cult with a circumcision rate higher than the US where everyone is expected to receive cosmetic surgery as teenagers in order to emulate the state-sponsored hyper-effeminate pop culture

but I'm sure it's their choice of RTS

>>725030662
This terrain profile has NEVER been present in EITHER of the games

>>725031340
>>725034876
cope shitter, AoE2 board

>>725033207
>>725033445
how much is blizzard paying you to shill their dead games, blizzjeet?

>>725030589 (OP)
babies second rts

>>725032895
Shitters like to complain about gookclick, but it's ironically the easiest thing to improve if only they wanted to git gud. All you have to do is start using your keyboard.
The alternative to clicking faster is clicking smarter and that requires a little more knowledge, experience and gamesense than box-selecting your units and sending them into the enemy's base.

Here's mine

>>725032895
It's a shame after watching this dude be a miserable little cunt in dota I can't stand him anymore. All his positivity seems forced, knowing that deep down there's a raging sperg who resorts to scrub excuses when outside of WC3.

>>725035312
The two go hand in hand retard, you ever see how much literal CIA worked for blizzard. They had the actual fucking director of the CIA at one point

>>725035852
Gookclick is a legitimate complaint.

>>725034359
South Koreans are soulless motherfuckers obsessed with execution over literally anything else. Catering to them murdered a game.

>>725039663
What does it mean?

>>725031340
AoE2 has a massive skillgap for all the wrong reasons

AoE 1 from the cereal box.

>>725030589 (OP)
Starcraft was good before it was solved. What RTS do people even play now? Is AoE4 still alive?

>>725033727
>LoL and Dota
>Took over the RTS genre
They took it and turned it into a genre of its own.

>>725040302
It means you have to do too much shit for the strategy aspects to shine.

>>725040387
Games from cereal boxes were fucking awesome

>>725037627
Company makes you alike.

>>725030617
>>725030662

>>725031197
RA2 was always starcraft 3.0

>>725040426
AoE2 is the perennial RTS. It will be alive literally forever, even if Microsoft for some reason decides to stop updating/promoting it or even disables matchmaking on Steam, the fanbase will just go back to playing on voobly.

>>725042081
What are the stats on that peanus weanus

>>725030617
this also happens in AoE2 but I don't see you shitpost about it

>>725040572
That's kind of the point. You have to spend your limited attention between various tasks and also distract the enemy and hit him wherever he's not looking. Sounds like strategy to me.

>>725040302
It means someone with better strategy can lose to someone who is just better/faster at clicking units on the field to make them attack a specific target, or dodge, or do some kind of exploit. It's like if you were in a strategy match against another war commander, and he beat you because he has a radio line to each individual marine and is telling each one to move their arms and legs in specific ways to dodge your marines bullets.

>>725040302
Basically you can just leverage apm into advantage with no strategic thought. In BW soulkey won 4 ASLs in a row this way, is you want see a good example of it, he’s a very gookclick style player.

>>725042257
this
there's no way they drop support any time soon, but I'm looking forward to EoS just so that we can have a userpatch which seals 3K in chronicles where they belong

>>725042081
:DDD

>>725042708
and fixes turtle ships
what the fuck were they thinking

>>725042624
>Basically you can just leverage apm into advantage with no strategic thought.
Complete nonsense.

>>725042558
I don’t really consider most micro gookclick because micro for the most part is tactical advantage. True gookclick is raw advantage via resources/units.

>>725030775
Because they're terminally lame millennial redditors pretending to be zoomers just to piss you off

>>725042804
Yeah pretty much, which is why gookclick rts is a dead genre.

>>725042624
Make that an Artosis donation comment.

>>725042804
>he doesn't know about the autoclicking software that wins every major tournament in [RTS shitter doesn't like]

>>725032214
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDIjeMm0KIY
the music in this game still lives in my head rent-free years later

>>725043018
i can see still see the lobby avatar animations when i close my eyes

>>725042804
It’s true. Funnily enough the only other video game where toy fan consistently turn meaningless APM into actual advantage is Tekken, given its movement system is relatively similar to gookclick. Another Korean game, but unlike SC other people actually play it so they ended up getting BTFO by random pakis later anyways

>>725042554
That's not really the issue. Of course someone with hotkeys who can instantly click to different places on the map to command his army/eco with keyboard shortcuts is going to beat someone slowly scrolling to each area and manually clicking orders from a menu. It's more about the micro. Like say you did everything right strategically, but end up losing because he had 20 priests and was able to click each and every single one to do the convert command on each of your units, while also microing his units out of the blast zone of your onager shots, while also harassing your base with cavalry hit and run tactics (something you have to manually do by clicking to attack and then clicking to retreat), while also doing all the typical macro game stuff like managing his eco and producing units.

>>725042905
>>725042993
>>725043205
>bro just click very fast without a thought and you can le win!
The lengths you shitters go to in order to cope is reaching new heights.

>>725043205
i don't really play fighting games but this doesnt sound correct, isn't the max command input entirely limited by the animations which take relatively long to complete, so max apm would be quite low?

>>725030589 (OP)
my first rts was warcraft 1 you fucking wrong piece of shit, kill yourself

>>725043018
whatever happened to this game? I used to play it all the time.

>>725043380
>but this doesnt sound correct
None of it does, because these fags don't play RTS and are just throwing shit at the wall. They'll continue to say vague shit without ever giving examples because they're SHITTERS.

>>725043353
>he can't sense obvious sarcasm

>>725030589 (OP)
>Build army you saw on a stream (no, not macro)
>F2
>A move back and Fort
>diamond

>>725043660
/v/ is notoriously bad at RTS and so I simply can't take that risk.

>>725043352
that sounds like spreading your limited attention between various tasks

>>725043380
Tekken has a bizarre movement system where the crux of your movement comes from canceling backlashes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uMKE_julLAY&pp=ygUPS25lZSB2YSBhcnNsYW4g
Ten minute mark is an infinite stage which really demonstrates this. It’s not the exact same as pure gookclick, but it’s very similar. Since in neutral you will do the same thing as gookclick, generate advantage though raw apm.

>>725043353
Not an argument. If chess was like gookclick moving your pieces quicker then them would allow you to make more moves, and give you more pieces to work with. There’s a reason chess endures and is a global game whereas only a hundred koreans and 5 foreigners care about starcraft

Campaigns and custom games are more fun than 1v1 comp

>>725043635
Only shitters play rts. Losers want to be the big fish in a microscopic pond, it is inherently a genre for people with a low amount of competitive spirit

>>725042554
That doesn't sound anything like strategy to me. Those are tactics.

>>725043805
consider Starcraft 2 coop
it's basically 2 vs AI on campaign maps

>>725043753
>>725043841
bait is the mindkiller

>>725043352
Sounds like he's just plain better, how's that his fault? Normally when you're spread your attention this much, you're going to lose focus and start getting tired and making mistakes.

>>725043879
I've played it a bunch, Stukov is a lot of fun.

>>725033982
I knew some SC maps can be extremely unfair sometimes for some reason, but that bad?

>>725043903
You have an irony poisoned brain

>>725043953
bait is the little death that brings total obliteration

>>725043943
No, games on said map (roaring currents) were entertaining I mainly wanted to make fun of artosis for being extremely wrong in his prediction that would obviously be wrong
>hurdur free 4 gas and fast 3 expo won’t be good for Zerg

>>725043205
>the only other game where...
You can "gookclick" in so many games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM98-HUt7Fw and what it really just translates into is "I'm bad".

Plus you can play RTS without 400 apm so shut the fuck up already. You will never become a pro so it doesn't matter. >>725032895

>>725030589 (OP)
I miss bnet edition both war and star

>>725030589 (OP)
here's mine

>>725044095
Anon, that’s not gookclick. Gookclick is apm -> raw advantage. If an fps was like a gookclick rts, the fast movement wouldn’t not just give you movement, it would also continually give you a damage buff, you’d have a larger magazine, hp buff etc.

That’s gookclick.

>>725044253
>LEGO Breeding Pit

>>725031857
bullshit

I play 4v4 sc2 matches multiple times per week. There is a group of like 20 people who consistently play. It’s so frustrating when you get dogshit teammates who don’t know how to spend their resources. It’s very fun but the matches are almost always on the map Megaton. It’s interesting to see the “meta” evolve since it’s basically the same few people playing every day. You should come play /v/. Look for BIGH and NPhase clan tags, most of those players are good teammates. Always kick anybody with clan tag ZOOMOB as they will team kill.

>>725030617
I actually enjoy playing StarCraft, though

>>725037406
Reminds me that I need to continue the Republic campaign. So far my least favorite.

>>725044289
What's is gook apm in rts and schizo movement in fps? They're both hard to execute mechanical skills that give you advantage over just playing normally. And yes good movement gives you more damage and hp because you get better angles like please retard.

>>725042081
btfo

>>725034592
That's because they are ruled by a feminist cult that makes jews look like jesus.

>>725044506
Schizo movement doesn’t give you tangible, raw advantage.
>better angles
That’s a tactical and range, not raw as range. It’s not gookclick. Let’s take an actual FPS, CS2 and I will show you how to make it gookclick-y
>every 360 degree spin you do now gives you $100

>>725042558
So then you need to be fast and good at multi tasking and make a strategy? Sounds very intense, no wonder Koreans are addicted to BW.
If someone can multitask and move faster than the other player than that SHOULD be an advantage.
This hole "gookclick" thing is just a dedicated autist trolling every RTS thread he can.

>>725044506
In an RTS you can ALWAYS do the gookclick and generate advantage, and it snowballs on itself. In an FPS the schizophrenic movement by itself does absolutely nothing unless you are engaging with an enemy

What's the best RTS...
>for babies
>for children
>for young teens
>for young adults
>for mature adults
>for aging people
?

>>725044806
SC2 for all of them

>>725044738
It’s the opposite, you need to de-prioritize strategy and solid play in favor of, in essence, a braindead mini game. It’s why Koreans are in general god awful at most vidya

>>725044674
Higher apm doesn't give your units more raw numbers either so I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>725035240
because I don't know how to use the pen tool, I am incompetent

>>725044806
Total Annihilation. Will give them more IQ and testosterone than any other game.

>>725030589 (OP)
You wouldn't get it... it was a different time....

>>725044674
>every 360 degree spin you do now gives you $100
Artosis is getting chills seeing Spirit punt away round 1 with a greed strat

>>725044891
Your units are your raw numbers. Gookclicking generates resources which is spent on units. Have you even played an RTS?

>>725044931
How do you play/enjoy TA? I tried the campaign and it was dogshit. Units are slow as fuck, giving a new move command to a moving units makes it stop while the pathfinding resolves, the missions didn't teach me shit about how to actually play the game (e.g. I had "build 10 tanks" as an objective, but I needed like 100 to actually beat the mission; the second mission introduced air units but was far easier to beat with land...). I ended up hating it and stopped playing

>>725044674
>>725044785
>>725045063

>>725045114
>I cannot argue to save my life so I will stick my head in the sand

>>725045063
Oh so you are losing to the act of producing units already and didn't even get to control them? Well some rts are focused on making units like sc2 and aoe2. That's why they're my least favorite type of rts.

>>725045149
I will permit it to pass over and through me

>>725044938
That reminds me, I still havn't tied the Rock Raiders remake. I'll need to make time soon

https://manicminers.baraklava.com/

>>725044891
If you gookclick harder you will tech up faster and have better raw numbers too lol

>>725030617
why does this retard keep spamming that image like it means something

>>725045196
No you won’t you’ll let it love rent free in your head. Because it isn’t “bait”. It’s the stone cold truth.

>>725045217
where the bait has gone there will be nothing

>>725044738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmPxqjzGrsI
The fact is as long as this is true you are always going to have people opposed to it.

>>725045295
Brood war has mineral boosting you do not get gookclick-ier than that

when they removed military auto-queue in aom I knew they caved in to gookclickers.

Remember kids, just word filter "gookclick" and RTS threads become much nicer.

Consider playing Warzone 2100 for those who want an RTS where you get to keep your base over the campaign.

>>725045371
Mineral boosting IS the perfect example of gookclick.

>>725044931
>>725045109
You know what, I was thinking of Supreme Commander. Disregard what I said, I was being a retard

>>725045109
You need testosterone to beat it.

>>725030589 (OP)
Is Myth any good? how do I get it to run on modern stuff

>>725045217
Yes and in the other games if you move faster you get to places before your opponent and can do the next thing faster. derp

>>725045437
You’re a mental weakling, no wonder you hide from competition and slink away to the deadest of genres with no competition

>>725045512
>if you move faster
Well you see in basically every game ever movement is universal or part of the games asymmetric design philosophy (as in there’s multiple classes or whatnot)

RTS gookclicking is like if your movespeed is boosted if you repeatedly do 623 inputs over and over again even at neutral

>>725045512
>other games
>getting there faster means being more decisive in your choice to move to said position
In retarded gookclick faggotry
>getting there faster means you pressed the 1 key more often

>>725045509
Yea thought it's a real-time tactics game and not RTS

>>725045669
I'm the guy who posted Apex vid. In Apex the trick that's used to gain speed from ledges is ONE. FRAME. TRICK. And when I say one frame I mean it. And it's absolutely hellish to get on higher framerates. People buy 200 dollaridoo keyboards from wooting just to do it. And then you have bunny hopping and all that but that's easy. So like wtf are you talking about saying that it's the worlds most herucelean task to mine minerals and produce units? Not to mention that THERE ARE RTS GAMES THAT DONT FOCUS ON ECO/MACRO.

It's egregious what they try to do with aom autoqueue.

>>725045892
A one frame input it not unique to fps and completely irrelevant to what gookclick is, and not gookclick.

Gookclick is apm to raw advantage, with an emphasis at being ever present. You can fulfill all the one frame movement you want, it isn’t giving you higher damage %, it isn’t giving him an extra life

>>725045795
You need to press more buttons and faster to move faster in autism shooters.

>>725046058
Yes and """gookclick""" is not unique to rts like im trying to explain to you ape. Press button fast, gain advantage, ooga booga.

>>725046080
It’s not modifying his base stats. You really don’t get it. No resource is being accrued from doing modern fps movement. In RTS you accrue resources.

>>725045892
I do actually find mechanical RTS tricks way the fuck more annoying and difficult to pull off than FPS movement tricks. I also think the latter is extremely annoying wank that makes a game worse to play most of the time and have since Quake 3 was a relevant game.

>>725046204
Yes and being faster in rts isn't actually modifying any stats or numbers to your advantage, you just do the things faster, that's where the advantage coems from, just like in other games doing things faster gives you advantage......................................

>>725046163
It IS unique to RTS, as has been explained to you numerous times.

If Apex was life gookclick, you could choose to do that 1 frame movement option in a corner of the map, and slowly accrue max HP and damage % to where you are favored in every engagement based off raw stats

>>725046267
It does modify your stats. Supply is a stat. Number of units….is a number. Resources like minerals…are a number. Gookclicking gives you a raw number boost.

>>725046284
If I mine minerals at 800 apm will you die in your base?

>>725043515
I went to revisit it a few years back. It was unfortunately impossible to play because 100% of the players online had been playing the game non-stop every day since it had released. I would like to play it again, but it's just a lifetime commitment to pick it back up at this point.

>>725040376
explain

>>725046368
If I mine minerals at 50 apm and you do at 800 apm you will have more minerals than me which then we will spend on units and you will win engagements because of a raw numeric advantage which will end up yes me dying in my base more likely I’d GG out though

>>725045371
I don't play SC so I humored you and googled it
>Mineral boosting is always effective at improving the rate of mining except in a few really trivial cases, but the payoff per apm is really bad. Terrible, in fact. So it is only ever done if there is literally nothing else you could be doing at all.
go fuck yourself

>>725046674
So you proved me right? It’s an action with zero downside whatsoever that boosts your resource gain

>>725046674
It's not actually bad payoff at the beginning of the game.

>>725046363
AND HOW DOESN'T DOING THINGS BETTER AND FASTER IN OTHER GAMES NOT IMPROVE YOUR GAMESTATE? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP4M0QKp6IM

>>725046674
>mineral boosting is always effective
Therefore one who can gookclick harder always has raw advantage of more resources.

The reason pros don’t mineral boost all the time is unironically because they can’t gookclick hard enough, and because of opportunity cost it’s more important to gookclick hard enough to not drop any supply

>>725046727
OH MY GOD DID YOU JUST MICRO YOUR ECO YOU GOOKCLICKING NIGGER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>725046838
You know what else is a resource? Your own fucking brain.

>>725046783
Really weird how you brought up tekken 7 when I already pointed out how the closest equivalent to gookclick in any other video game…is tekken. Even when I’ve already explained how it’s not exactly rts gookclick

Wavedashing in tekken isn’t increasing your HP for next round. It’s not a raw number. Are you genuinely retarded? No one has ever said “doing shit faster isn’t an advantage”. That’s part of why gookclick is so damn bad, there’s already inherent tactical advantage to doing stuff faster, you don’t need numeric advantage on top of it.

>>725046923
Not a very fucken good one is it lad?

>>725046903
Why are you so mad?

Mental weakling perhaps?

>>725047029
Some people have more brain resources to spend when the game starts. It's not fair right. But even the best players can't keep mineral boosting because it is still limited resource.

>>725046783
Wavedashing doesn’t accrue resources, it just helps with positioning, it’s not gookclick

>>725047110
Crying about people playing too fast sure is mental fortitude of a god.

>>725047138
The reason they can’t constantly mineral boost is because they suck. Only washed up uncs are still playing fucking brood war

>>725047253
>PS2
nani

>>725047184
Which leads to better positioning, better outcomes, and eventually into victory once you've had more better outcomes than your opponent. Same in rts, you gain slightly better outcomes because you have slightly better army.

>>725047213
The only one crying is the little mentally weak faggot crying ITS LE BAIT when they can’t cope with the fact their dead genre is low skill

>>725047376
where the bait has gone there will be nothing

>>725047326
>same in rts
Well no, because it doesn’t accrue resources.

Kek you’re going to die earlier than me, going to pop a blood vessel over getting mentally raped so badly.

>>725046783
Dishonest comparison. The equivalent action to gookclicking in a fighting game would be like if every time you did a special move input if you did the motion within 3 frames you'd get 80% extra meter and a 5% health recovery. It's a zero downside benefit that disregards strategy or skill in favor of mechanical speed. It doesn't matter if you did the fireball at the wrong time because you have no strategy or you're bad at reading the opponent and get hit a lot. You'll just naturally gain more meter because you're faster and get access to a bunch of supers the actual better player won't have access to meaning you'll have an offensive advantage, and you'll refill your health meaning you'll have a defensive advantage.

>>725047326
>That’s part of why gookclick is so damn bad, there’s already inherent tactical advantage to doing stuff faster, you don’t need numeric advantage on top of it.
You’re retarded.

>>725047494
There actually is a sort of equivalent to gookclick in fightan and it’s whiffing normals to build meter like in 3S.

i want to like warcraft 3 but the maps feel so small and i don't like the skirmish ai, for me its rts games inspired by aoe

>>725047451
You could turn both games into mathematical equations if that helped you to understand. The person who moves faster gets more resource points and will more likely win the outcome of the fight in both cases.

>>725042558
sounds like cope. It's like complaining your favorite sportsball team got stomped just because the other guys were more physically fit

>>725047542
The person who moves faster has the numeric advantage. They have more viable options to pick from than their opposition.

>>725042323
Unnerving.

>>725047763
Are you mentally retarded and don't understand why those are not equivalent? Sports are physical.

>>725047787
That’s not a numeric advantage, that’s a tactical advantage.

gook click is any game with non whites winning tournies

>>725047789
>Status effect: Morale drops when enemy enters area of sight of PEENUS WEENUS

>>725048168
And what is the numeric advantage? Yeah. Everything can be displayed in numbers if wanted to, just because you cannot think doesn't make it untrue.

>>725047763
Gookclick doesn’t exist in sports because it would be retarded.

If football was like gookclick each player would have their total distance tracked and the team that ran more was able to add another player to their team at certain intervals.

Dude, this isn’t an argument. It’s a demonstration. There’s a reason basically everything competitive has a set amount of resources. RTS is highly unique in that you accrue resources

>>725047253
kek my father played this, the controls were really bad but expected when trying to play rts with a controller

>>725048263
>what is the numeric advantage
Is this a fucking bot? Supply, resources, units.

>>725047293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-1X3omaliw

>>725048304
Being stronger is a resource. Being faster is a resource. You can be stronger and faster in real life sports. The better man wins based on what the activity wants.

>>725040387
Aoe 1 was my first pirated game

>>725048390
Spelling it out then: if numeric advantage translates into tactical advantage then it also works the other way around.

>>725048450
Sports are not a fucking strategy game.

>>725047253
Those old RTS console ports were always interesting in their own way

>>725048450
No, it’s not. And even if, for the sake of your mentally ill pajeet logic, it is a resource, it’s not a resource that is ACCRUED IN GAME. It is preparation done beforehand.

Sports aren’t even close to your shitty gookclick trash LMAO

>>725048450
If sportsball was like a gookclick rts the coach would be off field doing deadlift reps and depending on how many and how fast he did them he’d be able to add players to the field

>>725048571
They accrued the skill of gookclicking before the match started.

You don't need artificial micro to make an RTS an RTS. Reality is if you remove artificial APM demand, players will focus their APM on something more meaningful. Total Annihilation and their descendants are for real men with big chests, chest hair, IQ and testosterone. It is extremely mentally taxing for the entire time. Not for the weak. It is better than Starcraft because you get far more sophisticated battles due to people's APM being spent on more meaningful tasks rather than fluff tedium.

>>725048664
That would actually be cool so we would have chad coaches and not just boomers who give press interviews.

>>725048528
No, it literally does not. Having a tactical advantage is not numeric advantage. You can have schizophrenic movement in an fps that puts you at a better angle, this isn’t giving you better raw numbers. You don’t get more hp and do more damage because you’re in a better position.

Do you see why gookclick is trash? You don’t need a numeric advantage, the tactical advantage is strong enough and how EVERY OTHER COMPETITIVE ACTIVITY FUNCTIONS

>>725048853
On paper but the game becomes focused on the chad coach which at that point why play the fake made up sport and not just have deadlift, because numeric advantage kind of makes the result moot

>>725030589 (OP)
What does /v/ think about Ashes of the Singularity?

I used to play it with my schizophrenic Brother.

>>725048060
>Sports are physical
So is moving your mouse in reaction to something happening.

>>725048860
The person in more favorable position will have more hp and damage.

>>725049010
0/10

>>725049051
>person A) has the person B) in their crosshair. >person B) does not have the person A) in their crosshair
>if both started shooting now, who would you bet on?

>>725049202
Are you genuinely, mentally retarded

>>725044785
How does spam clicking a gold mine give an advantage in an rts?

>>725049280
Mineral boosting in brood war is essentially this, you get more minerals

>>725049239
Yeah my bad sorry for asking. They both obviously have the same advantage, after all they have the same numbers.

>>725049280
There is 1 game where it gives you 1% more resources and anon has now been talking about it for 50 posts so it's far too late to quit now.

>>725049371
0/10

>>725045217
>If you do the right actions faster than the other guy, you win easier
no shit

>>725049371
You are literally proving yourself wrong.

>>725049516
I agree, so why do rts babies defend gookclick? You get enough tactical advantage from doing something faster why do you need a numeric advantage
>>725049202
If this situation was gookclick the guy who already is aiming at the other also has an extra 30% damage and HP for no reason other than being faster. Does he need this advantage?

>>725049506
>>725049572
These are exactly 1 minute apart from each other. Come on answer the question then. Who would you bet to win? Are you saying they are on equal standing?

>>725049723
That was your most retarded post this entire thread

>>725049650
>I agree, so why do rts babies defend gookclick? You get enough tactical advantage from doing something faster why do you need a numeric advantage
If there was no "numeric advantage" then what would that advantage from mining more minerals be? Numeric disadvantage? You deplete your mineral line faster? xd

>>725049845
You are severely retarded
>schizophrenic movement doesn’t alter your actual stats
>OI BUT WOT IF YOU SHOT SOMEONE FOIST
That is exactly the point. You don’t get a damage boost for this, you don’t need a numeric advantage.

>>725046390
Are 2/SS are Aduka the default game modes? You could spec for those in a week, and max in a few months. (fuck, that was 20 years ago)

>>725048560
This is the first time I ever played Starcraft, and I loved it. I would co-op splitscreen against AI with my brother

>>725048450
i burst out laughing we are reaching of levels of low IQ not thought possible

Starcraft lost. See >>725048862.

What's adult's last RTS?

>>725049971
Starting to deal the damage before your opponent let's you deal more damage before you receive equal amount damage, therefore resulting in more damage dealt.

With your logic nobody is also making more units in RTS by gookclicking. Everyone is making the same amount. Some just make them faster. Just like some shoot faster. And get out of the enemy vision faster.

>>725040302
It means I'm actually a fan of turn based strategy games but I got interested in real time ones for whatever fucking reason.

>>725050171
Total Annihilation. They saw Starcraft and thought it was rubbish without trying it.

>>725050186
Yes you are repeating me, doing something faster has it’s own advantage. You’re not actually having a higher numeric advantage

I don't understand the appeal of RTS

>>725050278
That's because you looked at Starcraft (Satan of RTS) instead of Total Annihilation (God of RTS).

>>725030589 (OP)
>Protoss units
>Costing Zerg Control

Say hello, little uncle!

>>725050186
It doesn’t matter how quickly you started to damage your opponent. You’re never actually getting an increase to your damage you brain rotted subhuman bitch.

If FPS was like your low skill gookclick TRASH the guy who does all these 1 frame movement options is constantly increasing his HP and giving himself a damage buff.
>oh but if you shoot first that’s good, checkmate atheists
You are an example of why RTS is so braindead LMAO, what absolute brainrot

>>725042081
got em

>>725050253
Yes so what is the non-numeric advantage you gain from being faster in the said rts that you're critisizing? It just so happens to be represented in a number. But in a way it's also represented as numbers in fps. The one who dealt more and took less damage "gookclicked" their aim and movement better.

The biggest problem with RTS is that the S takes a very distant backseat to the RT.

>>725030617
it's called a mortar chud

>>725030589 (OP)
It's RA2 or AOE2 or AOM

>>725050653
S just doesn't work because gamers are stupid. Just play chess if you want S, but yeah even in chess the slowest real mode is rapid 10+0 so idk if that's too fast for you.

>>725042624
>>725042558
>>725040572
>>725039663
APM is a resource you strategically have to allocate you retarded /pol/shitters

If the APM ceiling isn't unreachable and you can execute all of the most optimal actions you want instead of having to constantly choose between them on the fly then then the game is a glorified turn based game where you just netdeck optimal strategies like in a tcg and the community quickly "figures out" the optimal reaction for each situation

There is a reason no low APM rts has a competitive scene. They are not the big brain "real strategy" games you think they are, they are literally just games you can figure out quickly and execute the most optimal strategy in them every time.

>>725050653
Turns out adding more of the RT manages to make the S become a lot bigger and more important due to all the emergent phenomena. Simulating projectile physics is very important, which is why Starcraft lost.

Imagine being so mindraped by a genre of games that you complain about other players being better than you for the rest of your life.

>>725048060
Both doing good at the sport and performing "gookclicking" require practice and coordination, my argument has nothing to do with the nature of the activity, moron.

>>725050646
>in a way
No. Not in a way. Your damage output has not actually increased due to your schizophrenic movement.

It doesn’t matter if you were moving fast or not your not a 2 shot headshot isn’t going to turn into a 1 shot headshot.

>>725050715
see >>725050745
Look at how close the mortar has to be to take that shot.

>>725050731
APM is not a resource that is accrued and spent.

>>725050653
Personally I find Beyond All Reason to be in the perfect sweet spot between rewarding strategy and tactics. The control scheme it affords you is such high quality of life I can't go back to other RTS games anymore.

>>725050746
Rts fags got mind raped by every competitive activity which is why they slink away to one of the deadest ones on the planet Jesus Christ disk golfers are more competitive than you

>>725049280
the retard is sperging about eco micro, so something like: "position villagers around a lumber camp so they don't bump into each other as much"

>>725050782
It has increase. You cannot deal damage when dead. And your comparison point is your enemy. And while you cannot make 2 headshots into 1, you can make 3 bodyshots into 2 headshots. One of these is faster, and it is acquired with mechanical skill of pressing buttons and moving mouse.

>>725050646
No. Gookclick doesn’t exist in RPS. An example was already given.

Gookclick in CS2 would be getting $ (resource) for every 360 spin you do

>>725051058
>it has increase
ESL ism aside. No, it has not. You moving fast did not alter the game’s code and increase your weapon’s damage. There is no numeric advantage accrued.

>>725050731
you have to go back

>>725050989
>not aware of the Beyond All Reason and Zero-K competitive scene
What is it like to have low testosterone to not even be aware of them? Everyone loves Godde. Godde won. You lost and got raped.

>>725050745
we've already been over this

>>725051058
I like how it is demonstrated clearly how a separate genre that is NOT RTS is in fact NOT RTS and the brightest RTS scholar’s defense is
>you can shoot people and they will die
>if you shoot them before then shoot you they will die

>>725051097
>gookclick in X would be Y because I am the one who chooses what it would be
>I will also always come up with the most comically hilarious made up examples
>no, we will not compare already existing game mechanics, because like I said, no other games can have gookclick (because I just said so)

>>725051279
>have to levitate the land to perform that shot

>>725050860
Yes, it is.
You only have so much time to execute meaningful actions in a game, and your personal ability at executing them is limited. As long as there is enough *stuff* to do that you can never accomplish all of it, you have to prioritize what to do at any given moment. That is what he means by APM being a resource, because your *attention* is a resource.

>>725051347
>he doesn't have the apm to glitch the artillery out of bounds

>>725051161
You moving your crosshair over someone and then to someones head does not increase the damage that gets dealt upon shooting?

>>725051345
Yeah fps does not have gookclick, it’s a different genre, pretty crazy I know

>>725051279
The howitzer is not firing at its maximum range, so my point is not invalidated. A range cost was made to make that shot.

>>725050860
APM is a resource you have that you have to allocate/spend, and you have to decide how/where to spend it every second.

In a game like SCBW there are many ways to spend it, whether you double down on managing your economy, macroing your army, microing the harassment of the enemy, scouting etc. also in combat it's crucial to decide what units do you want to give priority when microing and how. You literally can't execute everything you want, and that's the whole point, that you always have to decide between the possible actions that are always different due to the shittons of variables.

APM is also not a resource you get more of by "clicking faster" or "learning/practicing to click faster". It's the result of you remembering to do tasks faster, you need to familiarize yourself with the ingame possibilities themselves to improve your APM, not do some finger training technique.

>>725051441
Damage calculation will always be the same in fps yes. It’s not like some shit gookclick game where damage is calculated based on how many 360s you did in the last five minutes

>>725051482
But you can suddenly just decide that doing 360 would be gookclick. But if there is already existing mechanic like crouch slide in quake champions then it's not a gookclick because... because it wasn't something you made up.

>>725030662
How would a radar underground work?

>>725051581
So the game is about fighting the UI instead of fighting the opponent. Brilliant RTS you got there.

>>725051627
It’s not gookclick….because it doesn’t accrue any resources

>>725051603
Shooting wall deals 0 damage to the enemy. Your gookclicking in rts also gives the same result. You just have to aim it.

>>725049650
>You get enough tactical advantage from doing something faster why do you need a numeric advantage
You're implying people win games entirely because they gookclick better, not because better micro or have better tactics, scouting, countering. Proof?

>>725051669
It was snuck behind the frontlines and is being used to monitor aircraft movement.

>>725051441
What the fuck is wrong with rts fags lmao, yeah every head shot will do the same damage if the circumstances are the same

>>725051685
It accrues you more speed. In rts gookclick is also speed advantage in terms of reaching new gamestate faster than your oppo.

>>725051762
And every mineral boost will do the same.

>>725051708
Nope, I have never implied that once. I have only pointed out that gookclick is a doomed design philosophy.

The fact you actually claim I have said as much is a bit of a Freudian slip on your end and far more damning than anything I have said.

esl thread

>>725051509
I have no idea what your point was, I just saw the image

YOUR first Blizzard game was Warcraft/Starcraft which is LITERALLY just a complete ripoff of Dune 2. MY first Blizzard game was Blackthorne.

We are NOT the same.

>>725051768
No, it doesn’t. You cannot crouch slide in a corner to build up a speed resource then spend it on double HP and damage. It’s a movement option. I’m not aware of any speed shop on quake, if you want to post proof feel free to do so.

>>725051823
You can mineral boost every second of the game, you cannot headshot an opponent every second of the game. Also one is a fucking static object the other is another fucking player more proof you rts brained retards love playing single player

>>725051951
You get hp and damage from items. And you get more items the faster you move.

>>725051871
My point is simulated projectiles bring about emergent phenomena that can cause tactical decisions which then influence and can cause strategic decisions. Starcraft lost, because their hitscan projectiles remove a massive amount of nuance instead of embracing the real time aspect of RTS.

>>725037406
The GOAT; it's like AoE2, but better. Way too slept-on.
>>725044440
Yah I found the confederacy campaign overall more enjoyable. My favorite in terms of mission structure was probably wookies, but I have a soft spot for trade federation as a faction, so I enjoy their campaign as well.

Still mad there's no official Royal Naboo campaign. Overall my favorite civ - 2nd best jedi tree, amazing air power, with holocron nova bonuses making them able to crank out a lot more nova units than others late game. Royal Crusaders are also really fun on defense given their durability and speed - great for shitting on mechs while fighters with their speed bonuses can quickly flex back to deal with troops. I just love factions that are weaker than others early on, but become an absolute nightmare late game, and naboo is just that. Their aesthetic is also beautiful.

Made a fanfic campaign myself but it's dependent on the EF mod and idk if the triggers will work with newer versions.

>>725051951
>he doesn’t use a 9crouch all in timing attack, because it hits the 2 shot break point to hard counters any 4crouch 2bhop opener

>>725052068
Where’s the speed shop?

>>725051678
>Fighting the UI
You are literally just giving the units actions to move somewhere or kill someone, or buildings to make a unit, etc.
There is no fucking "fighting the UI" in that, it's as straightforward as it gets.

What you low-APMfags want is to get shit automatized so you don't have to do most of these straightforward commands. Like just fucking play a Total War game at that point instead of seething about traditional RTS gameplay

>>725052034
>Also one is a fucking static object the other is another fucking player
Yes so hitting heads is even harder. In quake live 40% lg was considered really good, and that means more than half of the shots/damage being missed because of the mechanical player skill issue.

>>725052224
Quake fags are atrocious at fps in general

Starshit's mineral boosting is equivalent to having to press a button every few seconds to control your heartbeat in a fighting game. There is no strategy to it because there is no reason not to do it. It adds nothing to the game.

>>725052208
You use your fingers to buy more movespeed and then with that movespeed you buy more items to gain advantage.

>>725052289
It lets sunk cost lunatics with 20k+ hours pretend their game is deep

>>725052230
>nom nom nom

>>725052289
Good thing there's other rts games but uhh no let's keep pretending like this soon to be 30 year old game is the most prevalent thing in the universe

>>725051760
Underground?

Gookclick chess where every OSU map you finish with a better score than your opponent you get 1 point of material

>>725052209
>strongest starshitters lost to an AI that simply out micros them with stalker spam
It very much is fighting the UI if the difficulty is just telling your units to do stuff rather than making the decision. If it's not fighting the UI they wouldn't have a problem mineral boosting the entire game in all scenarios.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWbVseLiopw

>>725030589 (OP)
>doomed because they made pathing too intelligent
Sad

>>725035348
It doesn't need to. It simply needs to get some retard to (You) the post.

>mineral boosting exists so uh your game sucks!
Really?
yes lol

>>725052289
>There is no strategy to it because there is no reason not to do it
The big brain moment is realising that this describes the majority of macromanagement.

>>725052974
The thing is, there can be enjoyment found from mechanic execution. The reason gookclick isn’t particularly engaging is because it’s ever-present. It’s NOT like learning one frame movement in an fps or a strict combo in a fighting game where you selectively apply your mechanical skill when opportunity arises. You always finna be Gookclicking until
your brain melts away

>>725053206
another reason it’s so shit is because you could gookclick for 5 minutes and lose because of essentially rock paper scissors

>>725052230
Walking Biomass races: "if I angle my ship correctly I can bring the greatest number of guns to bear on my enemy, while I simultaneously evade his torpedoes by managing my thrust vectors and engine power, making me the victor"
Tyranid master race: "hahaha toothy ship go chompchompxhomp xD"

Only on /v/ will you get threads with hundreds of posts where people unironically complain that being good at a game increases your chances of winning.

>>725053535
Your game is being made fun of, this is your dope

>>725048772
This is structured like bait but it's actually, unironically, 100% true.

>>725050731
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about because you are assuming an RTS with lower APM requirements is just Starcraft with the same patterns of play as Starcraft.

>>725052974
No, the big brain moment is realizing that makes macro in most RTS dogshit.

>>725053450
Tyrs are all about ambushing and getting the jump on the other player close up and personal, invading and eating everyone, abusing the fact that Tyranids do not show as blips and are always stealthed until at true sight range

If you don't, you are FUCKED if they keep you at shooting range

>>725037406
It's such a shame the writing and directing of the prequels was so terrible, because the design of things was cool as fuck.

>>725052209
>There is no fucking "fighting the UI" in that,
Yes there is you stupid fuck.

>>725054000
You have isometric view. You click something to select it. Then you click somewhere to tell it to go somewhere. What is the thing you have problem with?

>>725050715
Stop falling for the retard's bait. He's been BTFO'd repeatedly on how artillery works.

>>725054059
Shitty pathfinding
The unit not being able to do anything but finger its own asshole if not clicked
Retarded ass stutter step micro
Arbitrary lack of action queueing for certain types of actions
Lack of repeat queue and spend when queueing economy meaning queueing units and buildings is a constant action tax

>>725043205
lmao
youre actually retarded

>>725051876
Mine was The Lost Vikings. Blizzard hasn't made a good game since D1 honestly.

>>725051581
>APM is also not a resource you get more of by "clicking faster" or "learning/practicing to click faster"
??? Yes it fucking is, you absolutely benefit from practicing execution.

>>725054260
sc2 has one of the best pathfinding to the point that zerglings will do auto surrounds
idle units will automatically engage nearby hostiles
stutter step is just you giving them commands and they listen
I don't know what actions are shiftqueue restricted in sc2
yeah I think they had that in aoe4 or something

>>725030589 (OP)
WORK WORK

>>725044938
the most soulful, shameless ripoff i've ever played

>>725054517
I was singling out Brood War in particular.

>>725048450
>The better man wins based on what the activity wants.
Bettermanbros....... We won.....

>Filters everyone for requiring braincells, testosterone and iq to play with.
>Is stuck with a bunch of retarded brits who hoarded the IP because the former main dev is a fag who hates the community of said ip for calling him out.
Battlezone deserves more and outside Mike Arkin and Rebellion's hands

>>725052091
>hitscan projectiles
that's the same gay shit they implemented in AoE4 for some reason
looks completely retarded and trivializes combat

>>725054752
one of the first games in the genre, understandable that there were rough parts

>>725054330
Arslan BTFO all the old head worst koreans

>>725050278
Watching two sides meet up and smash the shit out of each other at scale. May or may not involved combined arms, city building and tower defense.

>>725054893
Starcraft was the 3rd Blizzard RTS. Before it came out you had games like Dark Reign and Total Annihilation where you had unit AI profiles, streaming economy and infinite queueing of any action type. The only thing they all share is bad pathfinding and that doesn't even apply to how people play TA nowadays. I don't buy 'but it was old' as a defense.

apm is a spook. if you can type 60 wpm your body is physically capable of playing at 200 apm. the reason your apm is low is because your brain is too slow to tell your hands what to do. you complain that you have to fight the ui, but even if you could control the game with a brain chip in your head you would still lose because your mind is what's holding you back.

>>725055246
starcraft had way more strategy than ta where you could win every game by peewee rushing.

>>725055246
ok now say 5 nice things about it

>>725055259
I hope you get carpal tunnel you enormous nigger.

>>725030589 (OP)
Some of those babies now have grandchildren

>>725055246
Dark Reign had a superb pathfinding, on par with CnC, and the AI had every unit think on its own.
It is lost art by now since the team who did DR helped with Battlezone 1 and 2, and the n had to deal with the shitshow that was Dark Reign 2.

>>725054797
Based Battlezone boomer

>>725055332
It looks really really good for its age and the classic game still looks great when played at its native resolution on a CRT
The music is still some of the best in any RTS
Godlike sound design, you can pick out almost anything happening in SC from audio cues
Units have distinct and memorable personalities
Bnet was WAY better than anything that came before it

>>725055341
set up a camera to record your hands while you are playing. I guarantee that you will find that you spend long stretches of time not even touching the keyboard, not because you physically can't keep up, but because your brain doesn't realize you should be doing stuff at the time.

>>725055549
i was wrong about you, alright i admit it

>>725044395
>Always kick anybody with clan tag ZOOMOB as they will team kill.
but why tho?

>>725055591
This is not the argument you think it is.

>>725055392
lol what CnC pathfinding and trying to run over the infantry with tanks was horrendous.

>>725055328
That is a balance issue and not a UI issue. Also irrelevant to modern TA.

>can't have zoom-out or a proper tactical screen because people would play 100% of the time like that
>the solution devs choose is to arbitrary limit how much you can zoom out and make tactical screens fucking useless

What does that say about the genre?

Devs should look at gook clicking, ask why it's being done, and what could be improve it. Like for example in SC2, you have to manually click your marines to target banelings. It's a very "gook clicky" thing to do. Really you should be able to set a battle doctrine for your marines that tell them to always target banelings over roaches. There, all of a sudden you actually had a new layer of strategy by having players define their battle doctrine while at the same you don't have half of Korea ending up with carpel tunnel syndrome like Byun just from micro'ing something the game should already do.

>>725030589 (OP)
Ackshually, that was my fourth.

>>725056551
Pros play SupCom like that because SupCom is ultra large scale and the benefits from zooming in are lower than the ones from zooming out.
They don't play BAR like that because the reward for BAR micro and fine tuned actions is a lot higher. You see a lot of zooming in and out.

>>725056551
I think that says more about you. Pros still play with close camera like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV07iE1Os5A

People in fps games also play with weird custom resolutions and don't use utlrawide because seeing more doesn't actually make you play better.

>>725056885
I don't know why you thought linking Warcraft 3, a game where zoom is very limited, was a counterargument

>>725050072
You couldn't play coop against the computer on Starcraft 64. Trust me if you could do that it would have been remembered a lot better.

>>725057105
It has had unlimited zoom since Reforged and long before that in custom clients that people made to fix the old battlenet 250ms+ ping.

>>725057393
>in custom clients
so literally cheating

>>725057813
If both players have the same rules and have agreed to the rules then there is no cheating.

>>725030589 (OP)
That's not the 1st Settlers.

>>725030589 (OP)
what's the babies last RTS?

>>725052974
Ever heard of Zero-K? One of the great Total Annihilation descendants. In Zero-K it is a big decision on whether you should expand your economy or not. In a lot of cases it's better to build more army than a singularity reactor. There are no build orders and your army composition has a greater purpose than just simply countering theirs.

>>725055259
>>725055591
This would apply if people were spending their APM to fight the opponent. You need to think to respond to something with a set of actions you need to figure out. That doesn't apply to actions you have practiced for and will apply regardless of what the opponent is doing.

RTS won.

>>725055259
I do have to fight the UI because somehow, in games where the UI is better, it stops being a problem.

Are there any active RTS games with populated team based modes right now? What does queueing 3v3 look like on Starcraft 2, or 4on4 on CoH 2? Is CoH 3 worth playing for team modes? Do people play Seton's Clutch on Beyond All Reason?

>>725063343
>Do people play Seton's Clutch on Beyond All Reason?
Yes.

>>725056551
SupCom is indeed a bit memey and BAR does TA better because of that
Funny because everytime i read about people clinging to SupCom they come out as people that don't really play the game for the game but for the fantasy they're doing something with blips.
>Muh size
>Muh graphics
You're just seeing dots on the screen and there's no reason to zoom in

>Battlefleet gothic 1 ends up being a woefully balanced pump and dump with some good visuals that people forgive because the second was releasing with pretty much every faction

>battlefleet gothic 2 campaign sucks ass, co-op never works, and the other factions never got any singleplayer as promised

Also the UI is way worse and ship customization was far more limited (in the name of balance, this was understandable) I won't even go into BFG2 balance as I never put that much time into it because the singleplayer sucked and had no interest in getting reamed like I did in the first game vs either braindead ork spam or eldar battleships

>>725063343
>Do people play Seton's Clutch on Beyond All Reason?
Yes I hate it

>>725063931
>>battlefleet gothic 2 campaign sucks ass, co-op never works, and the other factions never got any singleplayer as promised
>Also the UI is way worse and ship customization was far more limited (in the name of balance, this was understandable) I won't even go into BFG2 balance as I never put that much time into it because the singleplayer sucked and had no interest in getting reamed like I did in the first game vs either braindead ork spam or eldar battleships
Jesus can you be more wrong on EVERYTHING you just typed

Impressive really

>>725063931
BFG1 was wonderfully made based on the events of the Gothic War/12th Black Crusade
BFG2 was cheap cashgrab to captalize on the shitty nu40k overdrive shilling where not even rawboat wants to be part of it because he hates nu40k in canon and is a oldfag.
Only nu40k cocksuckers will shill it because they are no better than blizzdrones nowadays.

>>725063869
Sounds like you're the one not actually playing the game.
>>725063934
Redpill me on some other good multiplayer maps? I just remember playing a lot of Seton's Clutch because my friends could teach me what to do on the back spawn. It usually involved making aircraft.

>>725064024
Posting an image with 100 hours in a game I'm criticizing doesn't change a goddamn thing, it just makes you look like a retarded fanboy. Or are you going to tell me how a campaign with set crafted missions is far inferior to mindless skirmish maps over and over disguised as a campaign? Or that a campaign for the other factions was never promised? Or are you just going to straight up lie about how co-op worked and didn't constantly disconnect, glitch out, and break saves?

Why not play a real RTS for men.

>>725057140
??? You could, both as the same player and as separate players.

>>725065012
>>725057140
You needed the expansion pack for co-op, so it's very possible he didn't have it.

>>725065278
Couldn't play BW either though right? Kinda weird having SC64 but no expansion pak, half the game is locked behind it.

>>725065438
Yeah, and all the other concessions that had to be made for it to fit on the N64. Pretty surprised it was even made. Nowadays if something like that came out it would be universally panned, meanwhile at the time I think it had pretty good reviews.

>>725064231
>Or are you going to tell me how a campaign with set crafted missions is far inferior to mindless skirmish maps over and over disguised as a campaign? Or that a campaign for the other factions was never promised? Or are you just going to straight up lie about how co-op worked and didn't constantly disconnect, glitch out, and break saves?

Why would anyone take your word on something you accept you don't really know nothing about vs a person that actually knows the pros and cons of a subject?
And also being so anal about videogames?

FYI I am better than you, just to be clear on that

>>725030589 (OP)
RTS is only fun in single player. Once you get autists mapping out every single unit purchase and upgrade in order of worth and "solving" the game, it's just not fun anymore.

>>725066749
>t. played starcraft instead of Total Annihilation.

>>725064134
BAR is a TA successor, not a SupCom successor
SupCom is played really far away because the scale of things are more like how they "should" be but that equates to playing with dots through kms of wasteland, and the micro isn't as intensive as it is. When it gets micro intensive, you can just zoom out and it doesn't matter as much.
BAR/TA on the other hand has more importance on shot blocking, dodging and surrounding the enemy for bonuses and such. It plays more like a classic RTS but you can zoom out to see everything on screen, yet you're constantly getting back into the fight because it demands it.

As far as Setons goes, I hate that map already and i'm sick of it because BAR does another thing, and that is obviously having roles in a big team. These aren't enforced but organic and logical on each map, like Air and Sea and an Eco, because DUH why wouldn't you have someone covering those flanks. But Crimson/Setons is what the hyper fixated faggots on those things cling to. It is the Summoner's Rift of BAR. The game is a very good sandbox with several ways to play out a map but that one is streamlined as fuck and solved on top of it because of that. A single lane in the middle of it to chokepoint, two seas, a distinctive place for soft ECO and another one for Air. To deviate from this infuriates the team. And in general it's a bad idea, because it's very obvious what should you do on each point.

And the funniest thing of all is when a team that is not a fucktard understands that it's a sandbox game and all ins with T1s through the middle and you will 99% win the match that way on that map, because everyone is hyper fixated on their lane and will NEVER react fast to a 6 man tick/grunt push at min 5.

So yeah, I love the game, love the map variations, and absolutely hate Crimson/Seton

>>725030589 (OP)
Actually, I'd like to know if there're actually more examples of that. Which game or games should I try out to see if I have the RTS autism?

>>725064134
>Redpill me on some other good multiplayer maps?
Almost any map is good because the sandbox is good. You start with several options and solve the map on the go. There is a duel map that is a tiny 5 metal spots to do Mexican Standoffs against other players and it works. There's a big ass asteroid donut for 8v8 or more and it works. Actually i think there are few bad maps in the giant selection, and Crimson Isthmus isn't really bad... its just that people don't wanna solve maps at all like I said before.

One of the things with autistic people is repetition and safety on that. They feel safe in what they do know, and what they don't panics them and makes them post on videogame forums. So that particular map is the most solved one along with All That Glitters, and they're spammed 24/7.

So to be a true knight of the gaming you play Rotato servers with Legion on.

>>725067704
The actual baby's first RTS is DoW1 but it's actually a good thing. It's fun and W40k, but it's very simple to grasp, a bit hard to master. AoE2/4 are great RTS. SC2 is free, so is BAR, so is 0 A.D., or get CoH for VERY cheap or Deserts of Kharak for a great RTS with an actually good short story/campaign

>players who like to micro are playing mobas
>players who like to macro are playing grand strategies
>players who like the in-between are playing RTT's like Total War, Warno, Broken Arrow or even Mount and Blade
Has gookclicking scared everyone away? What can RTS's do to get those players back?

>>725066743
So you have no argument, ok then retard. I don't give a fuck if you're better at a bad game than me.


Actually kill yourself.

>>725069035
>What can RTS's do to get those players back?
Nobody wants to hear this but actually having a good singleplayer. Even non-competitive players will give multiplayer a chance if they played through a campaign and enjoyed it while grasping the mechanics, especially if it actually offered challenge.