Thread 725083129

Fighting Games are good.
The kusoge, the e-sports, the balanced, and the broken.
All fighting games are great.

I miss arcades. There was only one place where kids of any race and upbringing seemed to get along, and that was in front of the MVC2 machine.

>>725083129 (OP)
You wanna say that again?

>>725083129 (OP)
dead genre lol flop after flop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXpK9xr2YQA

cable was added to umvc3

>>725083129 (OP)
i hate this zoomer's videos

testing webm, don't mind me

>>725083129 (OP)
Tao Feng fist of the lotus was the only game so bad that I broke the cd.

>>725083129 (OP)
fighting games ARE good but i think the casual single player experience is undersold. i buy fighting games to play through arcade mode with a bunch of characters, find one i like, idly fool around in practice mode a bit and appreciate the combat design, then kinda just move on
the concept of action games distilled to their core of 1v1 combat with elaborate, finely tuned combat systems is timeless and awesome

okay now review steam fighting games abd go mad at them

>>725083129 (OP)
Welcome, time traveler! Recently a game called Street Fighter 6 came out and it's complete dogshit so you are wrong. Not all fighting games are great.

This is the only fighting game youtuber I stand, I think the rest are insufferable or a charisma black hole

the competitive value and integrity of fighting games is in the dirt right now. all time low.
Anime? trannies everywhere
Tekken? filthy sands kneeling to allah making everyone watch
SF? literal children are winning against people with more experience competing than they've been alive
complete humiliation ritual, all of it. remember when these games and communities seemed cool? tech, knowledge, skill, the mythical level of asians. now it's all gone.

>>725084332
And yet you still can't win anything.

I love Asuka Kazama
I wish Tekken 8 was good, she looks cute in that.

>>725083686
>zoomer
>got played winmugen in the homer vs peter era
I don't think so

>>725084407
Is he wrong?

>>725083129 (OP)
Yeah your 100% its the fags and trannies that drive me away desu tho

>>725084414
shes pretty strong in 8 thanks to her new crush moves. wish she had more newer 2d art

>>725083129 (OP)
>GuileVasectomyQuote
No!

>>725085353
who is this fine looking WOMAN?

why can't game devs of today be like him?

>>725085668
what does this mean

>>725084457
Yeah because there's always been young kids kicking grown men's monkey asses in fighting games. Xaiohai was a KoF champion at like 9 years old or some shit in the 90s. It's not a new phenomenon. Street Fighter player dooming in the West is the weirdest shit, they go out of their way to concoct reasons to be mad even beyond the game itself, meanwhile the Japanese scene is thriving and they love it so much thay daddy Capcom thinks they can turn their big tournament into fucking ppv events like boxing.

>>725086225
OK buddy sure, let's go with that.
Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 8 are not watered down or streamlined in any way. They are not designed to make it easier to scam out wins.

>>725086489
That has nothing to do with how wrong you are about kids bodying grown ass men in fighting games.

>>725086489
>easier to scam out wins
Not him, but this statement's always funny. It's a clearcut sign of someone that can't compete. Can't go layers into the "scamming" so he gets robbed on the street, while the actual players dig deeper into the game. It's like when the pseuds complained about X-Factor in MvC3 and how "a bloo bloo bloo it's too stronk, it makes comebacks too easy, it's now never a real match until the last character," but then if you actually get into MvC3 worth a damn, you know there's a rich game centered around resources and team comp as a whole, and how you use X or force it out changes a shitton about the game while also just being another facet of it.

>>725086594
It has everything to do with it.
Part of the reason pros with decades of experience keep losing to a 14 year old is precisely because the game itself invalidates fundamentals they have built over the years and allows him to cheese them. This is not a difficult idea to grasp, stop being disingenuous.

>>725086703
OK

Ehrgeiz is pretty fun once you realize it's a wrestling game and you stop trying to play it like a fighting game.

Nah, the genre has been beyond trash for almost 10 years. Nothing but dumbed-down copy-and-paste SFV clones that pretend to be about neutral while removing everything that even remotely resembles fun mechanics because scrubs always cry about losing to something their character doesn't have.
Only now it is showing some signs of improvement with 2xko and the latest DBFZ patch looking like they're testing waters for something that's actually fun.

>>725086763
>Part of the reason pros with decades of experience keep losing to a 14 year old is precisely because the game itself invalidates fundamentals they have built over the years and allows him to cheese them
No it's not. It's because they're in their 40s, dumbass.
>OK
>no counterargument
lol, lmao

2xko sucks and I feel sorry for anyone that is giving riot money. They're gonna milk you whales for all your worth in the 2 years this shit stays in service.

>>725086763
kids learn games faster, this has been always the case
>>725086763
>Part of the reason pros with decades of experience keep losing to a 14 year old is precisely because the game itself invalidates fundamentals they have built over the years and allows him to cheese them.
each game is different. sf3 oki is completely different from other games and someone shouldn't master oki of other games with zero effort. fundamentals carry, but you should learn to adjust to each game
and fighting games have been full of cheese. for example claw.webm. guys like tokido have always competed at top level by finding and mastering cheese strats faster than anyone else

>>725086763
Lol you really think pros are getting consistently gimmicked because of cheese? Cheese strats only work on shitters like you, not top level players. And if it works so well WHY aren't those pros also doing it to the kids? Kids have infinite time and objectively learn new skills faster than adults. I shouldn't have to remind you that fucking Daigo was once a young boy also beating grown ass men. Now, he's washed and probably also being beat by some genius 10 year old and the cycle Continues.

If we're also gonna talk about SF, let's also talk about Blaz and how his father is a SF old head. Imagine not only being a talented child but you also have a father with a decade plus of knowledge and experience to not only turbo your learning but encourage you as well to cultivate that skill.

>>725086954
If you want to delude yourself into thinking SF6 is not volatile, random and degenerate as fuck then knock yourself out faggot, I don't have the energy to argue with retards on the Internet, especially about things that are extremely evident.
So don't worry, your """Master""" rank in SF6 is totally valid.

>>725087085
>I don't have the energy to argue
Exactly. You're old and washed without the energy to get fired up anymore, so you lose. You're a loser. Go enjoy being a loser, you gormless little decrepit queer.

>>725087085
SF6 is the best fighting game that has every grace this earth and the people that don't understand this don't play other games, especially the older street fighters, at a high level.

>>725087085
His """master""" rank wouldn't be valid even if the game wasn't trash because of how easy it has been to get it ever since launch (and it got only easier with time). It's not an achievement; it's a sign that you're playing against someone who is somewhat capable of the bare minimum. Same for GM in 2XKO, Celestial in Strive etc.

>>725085709

nobody in game dev learns fundamentals anymore, they just learn engines

>>725083326
kek
I haven't cared about MvC 3 in a long time but that's pretty neat.
You think Capcom will start caring about shit like this after their recently declared "guidelines" or whatever?

>>725087085
i hate sf6 too but you sound like an angry shitter. why are you not in masters when plenty people who are supposedly worse than you are? if cheese is so strong why don't you abuse it? or why do you keep losing even when you abuse it?

if you're so confident in your skills, record and post your gameplay here so we can judge.

name ONE (1) fighting game better than SF6.

and you better not say 3s, sfiv, or sfv because I know you zoomies didn't (don't? sure don't see you on fightcade) play that shit.

>>725087697
And you sound like someone who doesn't even play the SF6 and shits out generic takes, assuming they apply equally to all games. There is no "cheese" in SF6. That's the problem with it. The entire roster does the same shit with minor variations.

>>725088813
yeah i don't play sf6 because i hate the game but i was just arguing with the other guy. if the cheese strat is so strong why doesn't he abuse and strategise around it? that's the basics of any pvp game, even ones that are not fighting games

>>725083686
I think he's like 32~34 years old, which is pretty weird because he legit looks 15.

>>725087014
I've played a bit of it and had fun, but the starting roster is absolute dogshit (coming from someone that played the shit out of s2-3 league)
I've only got a giga casual perspective of fighting games, do more seasoned fighters have opinions of the good/bad in it?

>>725083129 (OP)
Do Americans really look like this?

>>725089261
Yea you're absolutely right IMO as a high level player of the game.

there are tons of ways to play around the things people meme about in SF6 like drive rush. a lot of the hate comes from a vocal minority that hits a wall getting better at the game.

>>725090072
Seeing strangers get together to enjoy something makes me smile

>>725089261
>if the cheese strat is so strong why doesn't he abuse and strategise around it?
if its not fun why play it?

>>725083129 (OP)
>makes several videos about fgs he thinks are ass

>>725090072
I'm glad they're having a good time. But jesus, fashion in the US is horrendous.

>>725083129 (OP)
Genuine question, why do we still have retarded complicated motion controls?

Is the only way to balance a move is to have the player type a complicated password for executing it? And if you want newcomers to just "git gud" and grind the single player, then how about you guys do the same? Why does legacy characters get to have the same move combinations that is already burned into your muscle memory?

Why does legacy characters even exists? Create new fucking characters to alteast provide a balanced playfield. But no, I don't wanna grind to burn muscle memory for a new characters let new players do it, and give me my ryu that I have been playing for the past 20 years.

>>725083129 (OP)
wrong.

>>725084072
you are retarded.

>>725094224
Do you play QWOP and say 'why the fuck are the controls like this? I could run this just fine if the controls weren't retarded'?

Why bother getting the player to do anything. Why not just have two players design a macro to fight for them and then the better macro wins. That'd be a lot of fun.

>>725094756
>Do you play QWOP and say 'why the fuck are the controls like this?
The entire focus of QWOP is the controls. That's the "core" of the game.

If password inputs are the "core" of fighting games then I have no problem with it. But these games are advertised as these pinnacle of spacing, reading your opponent, timing, etc.

A street fighter player and a KoF player gets into an argument. They talk about how one game does this better or that better. What they don't argue about is, how my game is better because you it has harder password inputs.

>>725094224
>Genuine question, why do we still have retarded complicated motion controls?
most games really don't, they have simple controls and even if they don't the input buffer is so watered down that you can straight up be wrong and still get whatever special you want (which is a bad thing due to input overlap)
>Is the only way to balance a move is to have the player type a complicated password for executing it?
it's not complicated, literal children could do it in arcades in SF2 where the input buffer was multiple times stricter than they are now. as for if special moves are balanced by input. for the most part yes. most arcade sticks only have 6-8 buttons, controllers only have 4 face buttons and 4 shoulder buttons, if you add special move buttons you take away other options the game could have at best and make the game require more buttons to play at worst. special moves were a means of providing more options with less actual buttons needing to be used, have you ever tried to use L1 in a fighting game ? that's the hand that does movement. even if you want to claim that fighting games should use forward + button/ down + button that leads to problems with say dashing into a button or small spacing adjustments into a button. or crouching into a button with the latter example. i look at modern fighters with simple controls and some of them literally cannot be played on 6 button arcade sticks lol.
>Why does legacy characters even exists? Create new fucking characters to alteast provide a balanced playfield.
because even if new characters were created, they would still use the same motion inputs that already exist. the quarter circle, the charge motion, the dp motion. all exist for a reason. because they work at expanding options while also balancing some stronger options for reactive play. i do agree that street fighter should drop the world warriors. but that's more because the world warriors do not suit the mechanics of the new games

>>725094224
kys

>>725095098
>literal children could do it in arcades in SF2
That's the point though. When SF2 was released everyone was on a similar playing field. People were developing the necessary skills, the reliance on internet was also low.

But now comes a guy, who wanna play Tekken. And the infamous "Ranked" ladder. People aren't here to play the fucking game, they are here to climb the ladder. They aren't in an arcade to fight a dude who plays for a limited time. They are fighting with autists grinding 24/7.

Playing competitive games without a local scene is a complete waste of time.

Too bad I suck at fighting games

>>725094224
Fighting games are not about skill. It's about familiarity.

Tekken players won't play Street Fighter with the same level of commitment. No matter how good SF gets. Same with the SF players. They will pick a character that is most familiar to them. They want motion inputs because of sunk cost fallacy. They will seeth if a sequel changes anything even though they can just play the old game.

>>725084084
Chun Li is trans!?

>>725085709
Devs started treating stories in games as something more than window dressing

>>725095330
so you don't want to learn and improve at the game, you want to just be among the best of a given population almost instantly ? that's not a healthy way to look at a game. and you are talking about NEW games as well. i play old games. games older than i am. never once has the thought of "oh jeez these people have been playing for longer than i have been alive i'll never win :("

no i just played, and lost, then got better, then started winning some, then started winning more than i lost. and now i win a lot SSF2X came out in 1994. i'm a zoomer. i'm competing with people that have been winning before i was even born. i don't care about being behind. i wouldn't want a game to come out that invalidates the skill these players have crafted through decades of play. that would not be an interesting game. imagine chess 2 where you could beat grand masters without ever seeing a chess board in your life, that's a bad, noncompetitive video game.

>Playing competitive games without a local scene is a complete waste of time.
if your goal is to be "e-sports" sure. my goal isn't that. my goal is to have fun for the 20 or so minutes i get to play games. fighting games do that. i have NEVER had a local scene. i've been a fightcade warrior for the past 6-7 years. i don't care about e-sports. i care about gradual improvement in a game i find fun. if a game lets you be the top X% of players at the start, the game is probably not very good

>>725083129 (OP)
i think the more you play, the more you have systems you like and systems you know will piss you off 50 hours in. i do try most fg's. but most of them i frankly don't care for

>>725095717
>so you don't want to learn and improve at the game
>you want to just be among the best of a given population almost instantly
No, I just want games to be games. I hate sports in general, it's a psyop everybody who engages in sports except for the top athletes gains nothing. And the top athletes keep the psyop going.

What's the point of watching your favorite team or player win? What's the point of grinding tedium if you are not dedicating your entire life to the medium like the top athletes? It's a job, not a game.

Not to mention, the skinner box periodic reward loop introduced by fighting in a matchmaking system. The algorithm already knows your next 100 opponents, and already has a 99% accurate assessment how many of those games you are gonna win. And if you manage to win even a single extra match, a new route of 100 opponents will be generated that is 99% more accurate than the previous one.

>>725095717
The truth is that fighting game skill improvement isnt infinite. Well maybe it is infinite theoretically but practically there are plateaus.
Everybody reaches a plateau. Most break through some but get stuck at some point.

Catching up to those plateau'd players is not impossible as a new guy. This is what you experienced.
I'd argue that you could raise an absolute beginner to intermediate level in any fighting game in about a year as long as he is in the right environment and shows proper dedication.

>>725095931
meds

>>725095931
>No, I just want games to be games. I hate sports in general, it's a psyop everybody who engages in sports except for the top athletes gains nothing. And the top athletes keep the psyop going.
i mean games in the traditional sense are not to dissimilar from sports, they are contests of skill, the only separation being athletic ability. if you want a game that functions more like an interactive story, there are games that do that. other people like games as contests of skill, not to commit their life to in order for monetary gain. but as something to gradually improve at and find more enjoyment out of the more you engage with it. i never EVER committed my life to street fighter. i just played it for fun when i had time. with friends, on fightcade, and gradually got better and appreciated the games more.
>What's the point of grinding tedium if you are not dedicating your entire life to the medium like the top athletes?
because to many, it's not tedium, the act of improving at a hobby is the fun. the same reason people play an instrument or pick up a paint brush or learn to skate board, very few of these people are doing it to monetize it, they do it because they find the activity and learning more about the activity and improving at it enjoyable. and after a while they do get good at it and can appreciate the intricacies of it more but the joy comes from the improvement, not already being the best.
>Not to mention, the skinner box periodic reward loop introduced by fighting in a matchmaking system.
the problem is, i could say "just play on fightcade that doesn't have matchmaking" but then you would complain
>b-b-but then i have to fight the good players and i could never win. there would be no new players for me to play against
damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>>725095936
exactly, i've seen people that sucked for decades, i've seen god gamers get to a tournament level in less than a year.