Thread 725112656

I guess the universe has decided for me! $4,000 US dollars for video games.

Lol, lmao even.

You can also build one for 1k or less like I did but I don't use mine for gaming, consoles are for games and PCs are for productivity

>I am... le poor.
Lol, lmao even

>>725112801
$4,000 for a device that will be outdated in 3 years because technology continues to double in computation and graphics processing every 2-3 years.

>>725112656 (OP)
Seriously talking, it's a bad time to start building a PC because RAM prices have doubled in price and SSDs are following suit.

>>725112976
so it's not true that you can just upgrade then?

>>725113194
in the past yeah, but I think gaming will have a terrible period of at least 10 years where we have unoptimized slop. case in point: ue5

>>725113194
another 4000 dollars down the rat race

>>725112656 (OP)
Spend 2k and you'll have a solid 1440p rig that crushes all AAA games at max settings.

>>725113324
upscaled*

I remember when you could get a decent prebuilt for 1500

I remember when you could put together a good pc for $700 lmao. it's over.

>>725112656 (OP)
Filtered brownies need not apply

>>725112976
This just isn't true, everything inside your PC can be sold for money towards the upgrade. You don't need to buy the games again, you simply swap parts out as you feel the need to.
It just takes more thought.

>>725112656 (OP)
PC gaming has the biggest cost barrier for hardware but it's by far the cheapest option long term. High startup cost. Though even if you quit gaming, you can easily get 80% of the cost back from selling parts.

>>725114267
nobody wants to sell their parts lol

PC is for more than just video games. It also does porn! (but on a screen larger than your phone).

>>725112976
Why is it outdated? I can use a pc that was made in 2005. It still works, it still runs the things it was designed to.

By that logic, the console suffers the exact same fate, with the draw back that you cant upgrade it.

>>725113446
You dont have to, I stick to 2k

>>725114651
that thing is a time bomb

A 750 Ti has thousands of games

>>725113834
you still can. a good amd card is $200 used and you pay another $200 for the cpu motherboard and ram and theres your build

>>725113834
yeah. you still can but its much higher with prices going up. im happy old games still run good

>>725112656 (OP)
I bought a prebuilt with a 4060 and 16gb ram for like $800 and it runs everything I want to play flawlessly. You do not need a top of the line computer that costs $4000.

>>725114651
>the draw back that you can't upgrade it
With the draw back that you can't upgrade specifics, that it loses resale value when the newer version is released, that you have to buy games from a monopoly market that doesn't have sales, that uses controllers that are built to break and expensive to replace and that you have to pay to play online.
If you gamed from PS3, PS4 and now PS5 you'd have spent more money on hardware and games than you'd have spent on PC gaming.

>>725114839
What? That doesn't make sense. Wtf are you talking about?

>>725112780
PCs are for everything

>>725114970
I just like the pc. I feel like consoles are aimed at young adults and teenagers. At least their marketing seems to be. Nintendo has the children's market corners, the just leaves pc for the adult clientele

>>725112780
Yeah but if you want to be a streamer then that idea goes out the window, streaming is basically what drove the prices of PC parts to ridiculous levels because faggots bought crypto in the 2010s and ruined the market. Now they are golden geese sitting on the eggs and nobody else can get a pc

>>725112656 (OP)
you can easily save 1200 bucks by not buying Gamer™ RGB shit

>>725112656 (OP)
I have a 7 year old 2700x and 2080 that can run older games fine at 1440p. I only use my 5090 and 9800X3D for newer games.

>>725113267
so just buy a console?

>>725115030
He probably thinks PSUs just explode after a while. Of course the beauty of PC standardization is that you can pick up a new PSU from a store self.

>>725112656 (OP)
You can play most games on high-ultra with a $1500 machine, don't fall for ultra realistic AAA slop or memes like 4k and +60Hz.

>>725115298
I've had budget 700w and expensive 1500w PSUs blow on me. I think I've replaced 3 in the last 5 years

>>725112656 (OP)
Stick to consoles if you're that poor

>>725115416
why would someone want to play games at 1080p?

>>725115447
How did they go? You live in a humid climate?

>>725113267
Where are you getting that number from?
I built this for probably $130, its not pretty but it's almost the exact same speed as the ps5 and the xbox.

I dont understand the console vs pc thing. Its not even a competition, I cant think if a single reason as to why someone would get a console

>>725115447
NTA but my Power Supply is a 550w one. How fucked am I?

>>725115638
They just died. One took out an NVME with it. I like in UK.

>>725115447
Check your outlets for reversed polarity. Those things get wored backwards all thr time and can damage internals

>>725115706
>UK

>>725115691
Why would you be fucked? As long as you arent pulling more power than that, you should be good

>>725115732
don't be silly. We can only put plugs in one way and everything plugged into the socket would blow fuses if the live and neutral switched

Tendies call everyone poorfag macacos but can't even afford a 4k PC
Sad!

>>725115798
Idk I'm a newfag when it comes to computers, I just don't want my PC lighting on fire because I try to play CrossWorlds or Persona 5 Royal or something lol

>>725115868
parts fail sometimes. shit happens. PSUs are one of the parts which are more prone to fail

>>725115934
Uuu...

>>725115804
What? Thats not reverse polarity

>>725115868
Nah, you'll be fine. It wont make anything explode. You just have a smaller ceiling as to what you can run. A 5090 is recommended at 1k watt supply. Im running a 650 on this with a 2070 super

>>725115868
There are multiple fail-safes that prevent somethng actually starting a fire.
You'd need to be a professional retard to burn your house down by playing Persona 5.

>>725116057
>What? Thats not reverse polarity
It's AC no DC. What are you babbling on about?

>>725116057
>>725116076
lol okay, thanks for the affirmation, anons.

>>725115868
As long as the PSU is drawing more than what consumes the whole PC everything is dandy

>>725114968
You are poor. See >>725112801.

>>725116170
Yes I'm aware but that doesn't matter since my computer runs the games I want to play perfectly fine without needing to sacrifice visual quality or framerate, and that's all I need.

>>725112801
See >>725116269. You do not need to shitpost people into spending $4,000.

>>725116136
Yeah, completly different thing. Reverse polarity is when the electrician didnt hook it up right. I found this out by testing some of the outlets in my house.

maybe laptop chads won after all

Has anyone here built a Linux PC specifically recently? I could use pointers.

>>725116170
Post specs

>>725112656 (OP)
A laptop can run all the good games.

>>725116997
It's the same as building a Windows PC, except you put your favourite flavour of Linux on it.

>>725113446
Nope you can run native + DLAA + frame gen.

>>725115117
>>725115191
Ovens cook everything but rice cookers make the best rice

>>725119596
And knowing more about cooking let's you know that you shouldn't put everything in the oven.
Same thing here, understand how this tech works tells you that consoles are a bad idea

>>725117687
I won't have to worry too much about driver support when choosing components?

>>725119596
no, rice cookers are the best at practicality if you cook rice often
the best rice can be cooked with a pot over fire

>>725116690
Yeah. And I told you that if the live and neutral wires were switched it'd blow fuses in everything which has been plugged into that socket.

>>725119762
Being technologically literate doesn't magically make the simplicity and convenience of rice cookers go away

>>725119893
It'll depend on your distro, but something conventional like Ubuntu comes with most drivers as part of the kernel.
The only choice that may matter is your brand of GPU; AMD has the best 'it jsut works' score, but NVIDIA will still be better for things like ray-tracing or anything that uses video encoding (editing, recording, etc.)

>>725119897
Comparing consoles to a rice cooker implies that consoles are better for gaming, which they arent. A better comparison would be the cheap store brand rice cooker vs the top of the line one.

>>725119976
Ever house will have outlets that have reverse polarity. Most of time you wont even know it until you start looking for them

>>725112656 (OP)
you can build a perfectly fine PC for 800-900 that's better than a "pro" console. if you put in 1250 dollars you can build a PC with a 5070 ti and a 7800x3d, which will run any half way optimised game at ultra settings.

>>725120831
There really isn't an comparison here. The equivalent would be a rice cooker (something that does one thing only and not very well, a console) vs a magic cooking machine that does everything better (PC).

>>725121084
Actually you could probably build a PC thats better than a base ps5 for a bit over 700 usd, but you'd have to sacrifice upgradability by getting an am4 mobo, cpu and ddr4.

>>725121673
Thank you for fixing that for me.
I would like to add that with the rice cooker, you can only cook long grain rice, and cooking more than a cup at the time requires an internet connection and a monthly subscription.

Not to mention the only place you can get the rice from is the cooker manufacturer.

>>725121690
See
>>725116057
I built that for about $150 and it is equal to a ps5

>>725120631
Thank you genuinely and I guess I'll get on that.

>>725122225
yeah buying used shit is cool but its pointless to compare them to new consoles. I might as well argue you can get a ps5 from a crackhead for 50 dollars.

>>725122360
Its new parts, they are just older parts. A few things I had laying around the house like the psu

>>725120831
the top of the line cooker implies its perfect but PCs are imperfect for gaming unlike consoles

>>725122476
oh I just had a ps5 lying around so it cost me 0 dollars then.

>>725112656 (OP)
A 5070 Ti 9800X3D build is only 2k

>>725116997
I just did by only choosing AMD where applicable and avoiding Samsung for SSD
even then, getting AMD over vidya is more a matter of supporting open source drivers than big performance differences

>>725112656 (OP)
>Want to build a gaming PC
Because you're a retard.
Build a PC that plays games instead.

>>725112656 (OP)
tell it your budget just ask grok on what to buy

>>725122651
Perfect, I have 3 in my household. Im not sure what point youre trying to make. Overall, even with buying the psu, instead of having it on hand, I would pay around 250 for that pc.

>>725122647
Ok, how do you figure? What is your definition of "perfect" in this context?

>>725122243
Good luck anon.

>>725117756
>frame gen

>>725124402
starting up the cooker and the rice starts cooking itself in 10 seconds rather than having to wait for its operating system to fully boot, download steaming updates, waiting for steam setup to initialize and then cook the rice, while waiting for cooking shaders to compile

>>725124659
You dont have to run it, its an option. Im able to get 60+ without it at 2k native in most games

>>725112656 (OP)
You can buy used 2-3 year old components from eBay for pennies on the dollar. I'm talking an entire computer that can run modern games at 60+ FPS for $600

how the fuck do you get anywhere near $4k? are you including peripherals or something?

>>725124962
Wait, all of that minus the shaders part is true for consoles. Except my pc does a full boot in about 10 seconds. All games come with updates and patches, so I dont really know what you mean about this.

Do you understand the "compiler shaders" thing?

>>725124336
my point is that you compare new prices to new prices.

>>725124962
lmao who are you trying to fool, consoles havent been like that since the ps3/x360 gen.

>>725125112
He's australian

You can buy a regular laptop with dedicated GPU, it won't have all the RGB and can still play games.
For the latest releases the PS5 is the best you can get in terms of price.

>>725124659
DLSS 4 works quite well and makes things run at like 200fps.

>>725112656 (OP)
bait thread
you can build a rock solid machine for ~$700
or even cheaper and then upgrade, no need need to splurge an insane amount right away, thats the beauty of it
>>725115191
>streamer
if you wanna stream you can do it with any PC, nvidia GPUs have NVENC that doesnt hog resources, if not that get a mini pc like a Dell OptiPlex micro and a USB display capture card and make a dual PC setup, you can get a mini PC 2nd hand for like $30-50 and a cheap USB capture card for like $5 on AliExpress
problem is none of you retards are informed enough to have a proper opinion on this

>>725125139
Ok, those parts are new. I already said they were new. The psu should be around $80 new as well, thats why I said it was about $250-$300

>>725125120
>Wait, all of that minus the shaders part is true for consoles.
No it's not, PS5 opens up in 10 seconds and the game is ready to boot in another second.
Not going to read your cope text

>>725119762
Go ahead and gift me a 5k PC, I would gladly appreciate the useless tech that I could spend on vehicles, guns, and food.

>>725125503
>you can build a rock solid machine for ~$700
No you couldn't. You faggots always leave out the price of a monitor, mouse, keyboard, windows etc. And no brown boy I'm not going to pirate windows. Only browns steal.

>>725125950
we have a ps5 at my workplace. the ugly piece of shit is always running updates.

>>725126189
it's not even piracy, you can literally just run unactivated windows, they don't care

>>725126189
>monitor price must be added to the PC
ok then, add the cost of your tv to your ps5.

>>725125950
>10-21 seconds
My pc boots faster in about 12
I think im wasting my time, i doubt you can actually understand any of this.

Do your ps5 games not get updates?

>>725126189
See
>>725125759
I can get a $50 monitor and a $10 m+kb combo from Walmart right now. Thats sub $400 for something comparable for a ps5.

Wait, except this isnt my gaming machine, its a pc that I use for drawing and sculpting.

Where can I get drawing and sculpting software on the ps5 at? I will also need some CAD software for my engineering work

>>725112656 (OP)
>gaming pc
>3-4k Dollars

>>725124962
i genuinely have no idea what you're talking about

>>725112989
How long do you think it will take RAM prices to go back down? Iirc GPUs were unobtainable for like three or four years during the crypto bubble.

>>725126189
>And no brown boy I'm not going to pirate windows. Only browns steal.
bait that im not gonna bite
as for monitor, kb/mouse
if you want sure you can buy everything new all at once if you dont have the means to do so, you can get 2nd hand monitor super cheap and same goes for kb/mouse and if you dont wanna go 2nd hand route you can get a cheap IPS monitor for $80-100 and kb/mouse combo package for $10-30
i genuinely had more fun upgrading my components over the years than just buying it all in one go, i did both, but upgrading feels like playing an RPG with nice progression and you can notice every improvement and appreciate it a lot more than when you buy a full package
ALSO FOR YOU FAGGOTS YOU DONT COUNT THE COST OF TV/MONITOR WHEN YOU BUY A CONSOLE

>>725125352
They still charge me for like 10 bucks
Fucking NIGGERS I swear

>>725112656 (OP)
The fuck are you on about, I am able to build a computer that will last me AT LEAST 5 years, most likely even more with 2000€, and 25.5% of that is going to be tax.

>>725112989
yeah, we're looking at replacing our RIP station at work, and i noticed this yesterday when i was working out the build. $500 for 64gb is stupid

>>725126082
How is a 5k pc useless? If you view a strong computer as useless, then youre using then wrong.

Do you have any idea what you can use a computer for?

>>725126697
>ALSO FOR YOU FAGGOTS YOU DONT COUNT THE COST OF TV/MONITOR WHEN YOU BUY A CONSOLE
Don't forget the $60 controller that you have to buy in 3 months because the joysticks go out

>>725126692
Best case scenario, 2 years when corporate GPUs start dying out and the AI bubble finally bursts. Worst case scenario, never because just like with GPUs, people will get used to buy RAM at the new increased price.

>>725126950
>$60
the PS5 controller is $90
shit is insanely overpriced
my advice is learn to fix your controllers, i have 2 DS4s that i fixed, saves you a ton of money

>>725126950
The fuck do you people even do with your controllers?

>>725112656 (OP)
Wait for black Friday and settle for a prebuilt. I got one with a 4060ti for $800 and it runs everything. You don't need the best shit, especially if you have to plan around paying for it.

>>725127082
i mean, at a certain point if the bubble doesn't burst you start getting a bunch of new entrants into the market who will drive down prices. i am confident that there are a slew of people secretly preparing to enter the GPU fight right now, imagine how many investors are looking at the nvidia market cap and thinking "yeah, it would be worth it to sink a big chunk of money into getting 10% of that"

>>725127132
if you game everyday your controller will eventually start wearing down, depends on what you play too but they break a lot more than KB/M do

>>725127115
Ouch

>>725127132
I think they make them wear out on purpose so you have to buy a new one

>>725127384
intel has been trying and failing

You people are so fucking poor

>>725129305
>he just bought a 500 dollar laptop and turned on frame gen

>>725112656 (OP)
>need to upgrade gfx card and ram
>AI is has quadrupled their prices in the last year
>fucking $2100 for a 5070

>>725129372
Eat shit

>>725129416
That’s nothing special. Can’t even play gta 6 in may. Still can’t run death stranding 2 either.

>>725129305
You can't go around calling everyone poor when prices are literally double of what they used to be mere months ago without people calling you a corporate assfucked retard.

>>725129464
Better that both your poverty box and console
Seethe

>>725129416
Why are you running 96gb of ram?

I really hope Black Friday lowers things, I bought my GPU last year and was gonna update the CPU/Mobo from AM4 to AM5 finally and everything fucking goes up in price. Fuck the RAM manufacturers. Consoles aren't a great option either since they want 700 dollars for an outdated POS with a 3600 CPU

Thinking about buyingthing a 5080 and sell my 4060 Ti

>>725129587
It can’t be better if it can’t run the biggest media release of all time.

>>725129416
Wow, schools give out some nice laptops these days.

How does it work if I buy a 1250psu Platinum. And I get like a 5070.

Will it pull less power than a 1000w PSU bronze.

Also which psus are the best.

I had a friend of mine help be build a gaming computer a couple years ago. Has a 4070 in it. Which was hot off the press at the time. I spent alot, I don't remember how much, and that's probably for the best.

I was super fucking hyped at the time but I fell off pretty quick. Gaming on a computer just isn't fun for me. I tried really really hard and I could appreciate things like the frame rate and increased details it just wasn't fun at all. I'd go for hours on the Playstation and then a few minutes on the PC before I felt like I was done.

Does anyone else have this problem? Like it's just not enjoyable. I feel retarded.

>>725129592
It's the smallest amount needed for llm useage.
>>725129764
But it can run both of those games, if they can run on a console with up to 32gb of shared system memory then they can run on my PC just fine, if I ever cared about them to begin with.

>>725112656 (OP)
I built mine just a month ago with a Radeon 9070. Optimised everything for Linux. Paid 2000€ for the whole rig

Hey OP heads up,after this threads dies out it's my turn to make it ok?

>>725129984
>2000 EUROS
>only a 9070 ayymd

Hope you enjoyed getting ripped off linuxtard

>>725129952
different form factors and setups obviously feel different. if you like playing with a controller while sitting on the couch, just set up your pc to work that way

Man,what epic thread will you guys make up next?I say "10k for a pc that will be updated in a few weeks,no thank you",now that's daring

>>725129853
>Also which psus are the best
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/
PSU Tier List: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/edit?gid=1719706335#gid=1719706335

Corsair are usually the most recommended ones. Myself I'm using an XPG Core Reactor II which is also highly rated. I'd advise you to prioritize modular PSUs so you can avoid headaches caused by useless unremovable cables.

>>725129410
gpu prices are actually not that bad now, it's ddr5 and ssd prices that are up.

>>725130114
What's a better AMD card right now?

>>725129958
Im running kobold on 64gbs. I was thinking it was llms because 64 is already overkill for most things

>>725130303
9070 xt duh

>>725129410
The 5070 is pretty cheap right now, what are you talking about? You can filter on pcpartspicker and the first results don't go above $600.

>>725129952
Sunshine / moonlight is your friend

>>725130597
Shit nigga I don't remember all the little modifiers on my gear. I may as well have a 9070 xt for all I care

>>725130303
>AMD

>>725129958
don't llms mostly rely on VRAM? i guess i don't fuck around with the chatbots much, but stable diffusion runs totally fine on my pc with a 4090 and literally still 16gb of ram

>>725129958
Try running them then

>>725130818
It depends how fast you want token generation really, but yes for slower uses ram is fine to rely on.
>>725130820
>buy and play games you have ever had an interest in because someone poverty screeching online says so
No

>>725130818
most guys who run llms at home have b
loads of both vram and system ram. even with 2x 5090s you run out of vram so offloading to system ram is better than nothing.

>>725125230
Just because they have an operating system it doesn't mean they run Windows or a productivity oriented OS where everything is obscured. Games are front and center on startup on every modern console for the last 20 years

>>725130998
fugg man, what do you even do with it to need that much capacity. it feels like it would outpace my ability to process the output

>>725115653
Physical ownership, ease of use, better optimized.

>>725130768
9000-series amd cards are pretty cool, fsr4 is almost as good as dlss now and their drivers are a lot better than in the old days. and I say this as a nvidia fag. only thing amd is severely lagging behind in is ai shit.

>>725131156
more context, more memory, simple as.

>>725127132
They use shitty parts designed to break

>>725127338
4060ti is shit though

op here. this thread has made me glad I opted out of building a pc. $2,000 for a pc that can just barely run borderlands 4? lol.

buy a 16 GB SoC mini PC for like $350 and use it like a Steam deck

>>725132083
honestly, just buy a steam deck

>>725131195
9070 fag here. Sadly Ray tracing support so far sucks in Linux gaming

>>725132276
shitted and farted, many saying this

>>725132515
I have yet to find a game where it is worth turning on, the performance drop for the perceived image quality increase just isn't convincing

>>725113256
have you been in a coma?
>"I think gaming will have a terrible period of at least 10 years where we have unoptimized slop. case in point: ue5"

I'm using a fucking 10 year old 980ti which can play basically any game that isn't RTX required and unoptimized slop like E33 because it's ue5.

We are there nigga. If you buy any gpu made in the past 5 years, you're going to have enough gpu for the next 5 years.

>>725112656 (OP)
Can you point to the build that costs $4000, even in this investor-speculation saga? You can wait it out with emulators on your phone or GeForce now. Don't like the free ad-supported tier that gives you an entire rig for free? Fuck you. You consolekeks pay for online and beg for the price to go up all the time. The point is to not spend any money while you wait for prices to crash again.

>>725112656 (OP)
Can you point to the build that costs $4000, even in this investor-speculation saga? You can wait it out with emulators on your phone or GeForce now. Don't like the free ad-supported tier that gives you an entire rig for free? Fuck you. You consolekeks pay for online and beg for the price to go up all the time while not getting a whole console. The point is to not spend any money while you wait for prices to crash again.

>>725132276
OP seemed to want a desktop PC. at least you're not stuck on a 7" screen with a mini PC.

>>725132817
buy a steam deck and one monitor

>>725132613
I can make stuff up too.

you aren't doing any of this stuff and you know it.

>>725133003
you're right, I have a 5090.
eat it poorfag.

>>725132602
True enough, but both of these issues combined make me regret not getting a 7900 XTX

people grossly overspend on secondary components. even with ram and ssd costs being in a shitty place you can slash the cost of your build by not wasting money on luxury components that will net you a handful of percentage points at most.

idk man I'm playing everything just fine @2560x1600 without having spent half of that

I built a 1070 shitbox at the height of covid gouging because I was in between systems and bored. don't make my mistake.

>>725134478
I built and sold 970 shitboxes during covid and tripled my money

>>725131173
>ownership
I own my games without launchers
>ease of use
Can you explain the difference between console and pc in this regard?
>optimized
Intentionally gimping games half a generation behind isnt optimizing. They simply lack things because the hardware is set for a known amount of time

I only play runescape 3.

>>725135389
you paid money for air lmao. Can you resell your game? No? Then you don't own anything. This is exactly why I own consoles and exactly why I will pirate everything once the industry switches to digital only.

>>725136232
>NON-TRANSFERABLE OWNERSHIP ISN'T REAL I'M NOT LISTENING LALALALALA
truly we must conclude that all console owners have a grade school understanding of contract law
imo, the right to resell is easily the least valuable for video games, why would i ever want to take advantage of it? there are way better ones, like the right to modify, and all of those are de facto legal for pc but nearly impossible for consoles

>>725136232
>resell your game
Why would I do that? Well for starters, I didnt buy it to begin with. Even then, yeah I still own physical discs. Why do you assume I dont?

You missed the other two points I highlighted

>>725112976
I built my last pc in 2011, it was around 2500. It lasted me until last year when it couldn't run new games anymore. I am building a new one that is 3600 and i will milk that for 10 or more years.

>>725112656 (OP)
My workstation was about that much, but you know.. I work on jet engines. These shitty little games you kids like are nothing.

>>725138749
leaf blowers don't count, anon

>>725125503
Huh?

i shall build a new pc just to play old games

>>725143213
as gaben intended

>>725129416
same cpu nigga, that cpu the best i ever used, don't listen to these poorfags