Thread 725160654

Thoughts?

How is this dogshit company still alive at this point

>>725160727
>run out of devs to grift so you run to kickstarter
>run out of fools to grift so you're sold to MS
Alive is a strong word.

This timeline is blessed

Obsidian marketer associate,
Less and less people want your games. No one wants Avowed, Avowed 2, Outer Worlds, Outer Worlds 2, or Outer Worlds 3. You need a radical change of talent that would assuredly spell your own unemployment, so you will never seek it. Make the most of your remaining years by going on maintenance mode before you are eventually laid off along the rest of your talentless colleagues.

I liked outer worlds 2

>>725160654 (OP)
>make avowed 2 like the original avowed teaser reveal
>it doesn't matter because everyone has lost faith in obsidian
>microsoft finally realizes after multiple expensive flops that obsidian is dead and dissolves the studio
when did it all go wrong for obsidian and how have they so completely lost touch with what gamers actually want?

>>725160654 (OP)
Remember they ran PR shilling that Avowed got 5 million. Steam forum members then pointed to that fluff piece and did victory laps how the chuds were owned and anyone questioning was banned.

https://screenrant.com/avowed-hits-5-million-players-worldwide-since-launch/

Not even Assassins Creed Shadows went that far.

>>725161016
I don't think it's as bad as people are claiming but I also agree it's nothing special and knowing this is the same dev company that made new vegas boggles my mind on how they have completely lost the formula.

>>725161139
>this is the same dev company that made new vegas
The same corporate name. Very, very little of the same actual talent.

>>725161139
outer worlds 2 was really fun. I genuinely don't get the complaints. I'm not saying it's the best game ever or anything but it's not trash like most people are acting like it is. idk wtf is up with their hate boner for modern obsidian games

>>725161243
Life is finite, and it's best not to consume 6/10 vidya when there are tens of thousands of hours gameplay of 7/10+ games.

Having no romances in a game is almost as stupid as no achis.

>>725160727
because Obsidian is very good with keeping their budgets modest, mostly.

they can take bigger risks that would sink most companies.

>>725161395
Outer Worlds 2 is a 7/10 game, just like Avowed.
These games are perfectly serviceable.

>>725161653
>just like Avowed.
0/10 bait

>>725161139
Obsidian in name only, the people behind New Vegas and KOTOR 2 no longer work there

>>725160654 (OP)
Lucky us.

Smart. Avowed is building off of a decent existing world in the PoE lore and it is a lot better for it. I think Outer Worlds suffers from a pretty boring world that they never really found a way to make compelling.

>>725161243
Honestly I'd be fine with it if the color pallette wasn't so aggressively bad

>>725160654 (OP)
>but we are getting Avowed 2
Why the fuck didn't they learn from their first mistake with POE2? The only reason why POE1 sold is because it was marketed an epic "return to form" for CRPGS ala Baldurs Gate. Then when people bought it and realized it was boring they never bothered to buy POE2. Now they made a game that was marketed as an epic "return to form" for first person RPGs like Oblivion/Skyrim. Take a wild fucking guess what happens when they release another one.

Failing upwards babyyyyyy

why do the numbers 0/1/2/3/4/5/6 exist on the gaming score scale if gamers think that those numbers are pointless?

why not just use 7/8/9/10?

7 = trash
8 = wait for sale
9 = full purchase
10 = pre-order

>>725163207
Because the games that would be rated 1-6 are varying degrees of unplayable, buggy shovelware that nobody cares about or bothers to rate. They exist, you can find them, but nobody's going to review them.

>>725163207
>10 = pre-order
Nah, pre-ordering is a sin that needs to die already

>>725161575
>they can take bigger risks that would sink most companies.
except they do the absolute opposite of big risks. Their games are the safest, blandest shit on the market. The budget part is correct but they aren't doing it to take risks, they're doing it to pump out boring safe product with as little risk and maximum returns as possible.

>>725161243
>I genuinely don't get the complaints.
/v/ has a huge hateboner for the first one especially. Complaints are going to mostly be people who didn't play either game.

>>725161575
>they can take bigger risks
>risks
>Fallout clone
>Skyrim failed clone

>>725160654 (OP)
Avowed is OK, i think the second game might have a bigger potential to be great
Had no interest in outer worlds 2 when all the companions looked generic as hell along with no humanoid aliens

>>725161243
My main complaint is the performance and how shit shadows are with DLSS. It's bad even for UE5

>>725160654 (OP)
Let me guess. Avowed is easier to make for these DEI hires than Outerworlds.
So fucking retarded.

>>725165269
Fantasy is always easier to make.

>>725163953
I don't know anon, I played about 5 hours of the first game and it seemed pretty shit to me. The writing tries so hard to be funny, but it just isn't, at all. Gameplay felt like playing the same busted ass kind of game Bethesda is still shitting out. Cool if found a reason to like it, but can you honestly say you have no idea why someone would find the experience grating?

>>725160654 (OP)
good Avowed is better than the out worlds games
>>725160727
they released 3 games this year, no way they arent profitable

>but they are doing Avowed 2
...why?

>>725160654 (OP)
Nobody asked for the second game in the first place, first one was ugly trash. I can't even remember what was story in the first game about, some Rick and Morty tier trash

>>725160654 (OP)
avowowed was... ok. if they take what they've built and improve on it...

at least some of the enviroment set pieces were really pretty.

>>725161016
same desu

Lmao all their games flopped.

Awoked flopped

Outer worlds 2 flopped

>>725160727
They make filler for gamepass. They don't have to be profitable, because Microsoft thinks filler for gamepass is valuable, and most of the other MS studios can't release a game to save their lives.

>>725163207
Because you are a retard who is only looking at the top 10% of games. Sorry that reviewers live in the real world instead of your limited bubble.
>pre-order
Double retard.

Avowed was better than Outerworlds 2 imo

>>725170494
>steamchart
>when the game does best on gamepass

>>725160654 (OP)
>Thoughts?
None. I don't care.

>>725171208
Yea I'm sure people are lining up to pay the new increased goy pass prices LMAO

Outer Worlds wasn't a good game. They just doubled down with the aesthetic. Don't nobody want that mess

.

>>725171375
Hiii dragoniri
RDR2 sold 77 million copies despite being woke
and BG3 has more players than ER

>all the very very very very obvious shilling done for this game on social media sites
>it's not even remotely hidden or even transparent, it's as bold as walking around with your dick out
Company wastes money on shitty marketing bots instead of investing in making a good game not about faggot rick and morty anarcho-communists who idolize Bakunin far enough to forget he would've shot them for being jewish subhuman faggots.

>>725160654 (OP)
The fuck is Avowed?

>>725171808
A masterclass in third and first person action rpg.

>>725161653
Serviceable is Mediocre and Mediocre is LUCKY if it hits 6/10

>>725171808
Oneyplays made fun of it a while ago which is the only single thing of note ever to happen to it. It's about a black thief woman from New York City who gets teleported to Reddit Land where every single thing is a marvel quip and never even remotely in an unironic or self-aware fashion.
It has zero redeeming qualities beyond being incredibly easy to take a huge shit on. It's like if 2014 era /v/ made a joke game parodying what an SJW would make at the time without knowing just how bad it'd actually get.

>>725160654 (OP)
Must be peak schadenfreude for avellone watching obsidion continue to degrade themselves and implode after what they did to him

>>725160654 (OP)
Why don't these retards at least start with cool concepts and concept art instead of trying to redeem a generic mulatto millenial faggot identity crisis? I could never imagine a western dev producing something as striking as kunitsu-gami. I can't even imagine a developer as retarded as obsidian having the taste to start with a harry potter academy type of setting an RPG taking place in an irresistibly cool setup. Like the irony of being so vainly novelty seeking yet at the same time trying so hard to shirk tropes that you cyclically release the same spoiled milk slop games over and over from starfield to divinity to avowed even the official harry potter game itself is a joke. How can you spend years of your life working on something that doesn't even sound or look good as a concept?

>>725161575
>can take risks
>keeps releasing the same cookie cutter trite
Impressive.

>>725174971
I want to fuck this dog

>>725160727
Microsoft zombie company that doesn’t run huge budgets

>>725160654 (OP)
Based. Avowed was good and it set up a lot to improve on. I wish it was POE3 though

Will Obsidian survive now that Gamepass is so much more expensive? I feel like a huge reason that these games even exist is because of the deals they make with Gamepass, is anyone in their right mind going to buy an $80 (or $90-100 when it releases) Avowed 2?

>>725160727
Don't worry, they're very likely to get shutdown soon.

>>725160654 (OP)
No serious fucks given. They are a xbox pass mill, and just doing more avowed with more/different enemies will be good enough.

I don't expect them to ditch their really racist art dirctor.

>>725160727
Because they churn out high AA low AAA games for gamepass, without blowing the budget.

>>725161139
The biggest falloff in talent is character designs/concepts and writing. I mean they've been shit since POE 2. There's some good shit to work with, but that trash is dragging them down.

>>725161916
POE isn't a strong franchise, and writing has been ass since deadfire. It doesn't even name that acronym.

>>725163207
They used to. 1-4 or sometimes 5 stars.

>>725163953
First one was free from EGS. Lots of new vegas fans WANTED it to be good. It was fucking ASS.

>>725172062
That's forspoken. Avowed is the POE, and not the Diablo clone POE game that promised a bethseda oblivion/skrim experience, and delivered kind of shit with mandatory Gay Pride face fungus.

>>725174705
Because they fired talent who could do cool and hired gigantic talentless racists.

>>725174971
Hey, I'll give them this much. The face fungus on avowed was actually a big risk. It was also completely fucking repulsive. But they ried.

>>725177002
>and delivered kind of shit with mandatory Gay Pride face fungus.
that's what godlikes are like though

>>725176735
I think they'll survive because of MS's subsidies. MS has a BUNCH of worse fuckers to kill before they kill Obsidian.

>>725163953
Outer Worlds 1 was the most boring bland rpg I've ever played. I would unironically rather play a game that's a giant piece of janky shit because at least I can laugh at it. Outer words is mid in every way but all the characters and writing are Rick and Morty, borderlands tier cringe.

>>725177079
Correct. My aim was disambiguation. I was hoping for skyrim with POE 1 writing, maybe planescape torment. This was NOT that game.

>>725177079
They did face fungus in a woke way though. They made it colorful and gay. Less drag show and more the last of us.

>>725177508
>dude colours are gay
have you ever seen fungus?

>>725160654 (OP)
>Avowed 2
And it shall be avoided too!

>>725177664
Nobody wants to see faggot Mario face liberals in an rpg. Make it edgy. Make them look utterly grotesque and inhuman.

>>725177939
You are truly mindbroken to get so worked up about optional mushrooms on a characters face lmao

>>725177990
Get some taste. You're the target audience for that ugly minimalistic corporate art with the fat brown people with disproportionate limbs.

>>725178134
Again, you are mad at absolutely nothing lmao

>>725161243
It's just an aggressively mediocre game, now that can be carried by good aesthetic and writing but unfortunately outer worlds has a garbage retro future aesthetic and writing that feels like it's mired under 10 layers of irony because the team are afraid of ever expressing a sincere thought in case they get bullied for it.

>>725160727
same reason shit netflix original shows get made. it's slop for gamepass

>>725162841
I just got it on sale and beat it, I didn't think it was boring.

ow1 was the most 5/10 game ever. nothing was particularly bad, but nothing was particularly good either

>>725178270
only people that think it's boring are those that have adhd and can't read more than 5 words

>>725178324
It starts off a little slow but the characters are interesting, the gods banter was fun, and its neat at the end fighting the dragons and the archmages. Thaos could have used a little more dialogue but what he did say was always interesting.

>>725160654 (OP)
>No Outer Worlds 3
Huh?
But the game sold well
They tweeted that they're laughing at the haters
People posted here saying /pol/ was btfo and go broke sell quadrillions
AND they made Fallout (New Vegas not 3 LOL XD)

>>725178232
ok but the game is pretty fun. does that ever work into your assessment somewhere?

>>725178474
If you enjoyed god banter, deadfire improves on that

>>725177664
>>725177990
>>725178172
What's with the full court gaslight attempt? The art people and particularly Matt Hansen themselves came out and publicly said he wanted to make a game chuds would hate with it, and said themselves that the fungus that was in the color of gay trans and other LGBT flags was for representation.

You're not trying to say they were lying?

>>725162841
Deadfire was a LOT worse than POE 1 in the writing department.

>>725178494
No OW3 for right NOW at least.

>>725178610
Deadfire's writing is trash. Worse than 1, and has the same problems Avowed had. The ONLY character I didn't want to throw in the ocean was the sword.

>>725178610
I'm 12 hours into Deadfire right now, enjoying it. The game mechanics alone are such a massive improvement it's wild, the multiclassing is fun, it feels so much better as a game. Will see how the story pans out.

>>725178687
>What's with the full court gaslight attempt? The art people and particularly Matt Hansen themselves came out and publicly said he wanted to make a game chuds would hate with it, and said themselves that the fungus that was in the color of gay trans and other LGBT flags was for representation.
any source for that or is it just typical /vpol/ hyperbole?

OW2 was a big improvement over OW1 but it still had so many issues that ruined enjoyment. They even ruined skills for some reason. You get 60 skill points to put into 12 skills. If you spread them out evenly, you fail most of the late game skill checks. If you put 20 points into three skills, you still fail most of the late game skill checks. And unlike the first game, armor doesn't boost certain skills, companions can't help with skill checks and there's no way to respec. So no matter how you spread your skill points, you're left with a useless character. I'm not surprised that they're not bothering to make a third game. They'll ruin other stuff that was perfectly fine in OW2.

>>725160727
Only company besides Larian that still makes actual RPGs rather than glorified looter shooters

>>725161016
give it 10 years and people will be saying it was a hidden underrated masterpiece alongside avowed

>>725178743
>Deadfire's writing is trash. Worse than 1
Yes it is not as good but I blame that on voice acting. Can't be as wordy if you need to voice over every line

I liked avowed more than outer worlds so I am okay with this.

>>725160654 (OP)
Outer Worlds 2 feels like a downgrade from Outer Worlds 1. It's weird. The worlds are better and bigger, but the gameplay is so damn limited compared to 1.

>>725178976
I thought the company line was that they were all glorious popular successes.

>>725161121
didn't shadows claim 7 million?

outer worlds only reason to exist is to mess with google searches for outer wilds

>>725179103
I didn't like either one to have any hype for a sequel, but another trash game from them doesn't hurt me any. I would only get any hype if they dropped Hansen and added some new writers or some old writers with a good track record.

>>725160727
grounded sold like 80 billion copies, they even ported it to the switch.

>>725178928
They don't though. Didn't make an RPG since 2018.

>>725160654 (OP)
nope

>>725160969
this. the company obviously has nobody with any talent left, just paycheck stealers. they aren't worth talking about. whatever they make next will continue their downward trend.

>>725160969
I want avowed 2. Aside from expedition 33, it was the only game this year that had a story that actually made me bother finishing the game.

>>725178976
Nah, barely anyone will remember it even exists in 10 years. At best they will be like Tyranny or Jade Empire with some people remembering they were not that bad.
Underrated classics like Alpha Protocol or Bloodlines have vocal fanbases since day 1, they're just overlooked by the general normie audiences.

>>725160654 (OP)
It feels like nobody gets excited about Obsidian's releases anymore, why though? None of them look like disasters or incompetent or anything.

>>725179456
People don't want to pay $70 for a 7/10 game. That'd do a lot better if they were a lower price like $40.

>>725179456
Avowed was certainly a disaster.
>has a town like TES games but the fucking objects on tables have no physics
>if you attack NPCs nothing happens, no damage, no reaction
it's like a pre-alpha prototype of a game, not an actual game you would release to the public. if a town with NPCs isn't in your budget then don't fucking build it.

>>725179456
Because they made New Vegas and decided to never try that hard again. They are seemingly content with being painfully mid which is insulting to the fans they built back then.

>>725179456
there was good excitement around pentiment, but since deadfire flopped they kind of played it safe so its hard to get excited.

>>725179456
For me the most notable feature of Obsidian's games was always the writing and they got rid of every writer worth a damn.

>>725164263
Install https://www.nexusmods.com/theouterworlds2/mods/17?tab=description

>>725160727
fpbp

>>725178976
>alongside avowed
People were saying Avowed is fun since it launched. The game looks extremely gay and it's an action adventure rather than a serious RPG but it's always been fun. Meanwhile Outer Worlds is still shit, and it's been 6 years

>>725161487
>achis
gesundheit

>>725177664
Have you ever been in an actual forest, retard?

>>725179456
As anon puts it, there's a HUGE fucking bap betwen "not disaster" and hype, but beyond that:

Simple anon. look at Obsidian pre and post Avelone.
Fallout: New Vegas
Alpha Protocol
Neverwinter Nights 2
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

Look at Obsidian in the Matt Hansen era.
Deadfire
Outer Worlds
Avowed
Outer Worlds 2

There's some games hansen wasn't on in the intermediate like grounded, pentient, stick of truth, and of course I'm not saying it's one dude, but you can see the difference. It's no shocker why we'd get hype for one set and not the other, that weirdo trying to say it's just chud delusions can blowhard all he wants.

>>725179627
I mean you're probably better off tracking the dudes from the old games than trusting anything out from obsidian now.

>>725179606
That was literally a slogan, but I don't think they CAN do shit like that again even if they wanted to. And if they did put effort in it would be for shit like asexual representation, like they actually crowed about. Now it SHOULD have been very natural to have asexual representation in a game about cosmic godly fungus, but they still managed to barve that up.

>>725178773
>any source for that or is it just typical /vpol/ hyperbole?
no reply, I won.

>>725180713
Vegas is Sawyer's (and Gonzales') baby much more than it is Avellone's. Also you're forgetting Pentiment. Matt Hansen is an artist, he has no influence on writing. Deadfire art was excellent, anyway.

>>725160654 (OP)
PoE 3 wen

>>725171375
I agree with him.

>>725180474
What is your point, retard?

>>725171375
Its over

>>725179523
>I can't hit the cup off the table so le game is bad
You also cannot do that in the citadel in mass effect nor shoot people in the face which are the same criticisms you have. The only people that have said Avowed is like TES is (you)

>>725180810
Yeah. I'm just using them as a marker to indicate eras. The people they had then are VERY different than who they have now, and the quality and strengths of the product are very different.

>>725180942
>The only people that have said Avowed is like TES is (you)
The comparison was made by the marketing goons and journalists going in. I know, why the HELL did anyone listen to the journalists? But blaming anon for that is even dumber.

>>725180880
LOL. Just shitpost away. You don't deserve an answer, and you're full of it anyways.

>>725181256
>You don't deserve an answer, and you're full of it anyways.
So you have no argument at all to your random and unrelated point. Thank you for your concession my little retard.

725181338
No concession. No you. Bye bitch.

>>725171375
This

>>725180942
Mass Effect was a 2007 console game and it didn't visually or thematically resemble TES games while Avowed came out over a decade later and quite literally looks like a TES clone at first and at second glance. its first teaser looked exactly like a teaser for a new TES game would. an outdoor battle was shown, then first person, sword and shield in a dark dungeon. that's all anyone knew about the game. and of course there's the obvious gap in the market left by Skyrim not getting a sequel for over a decade.

1. all AAA games with objects on tables should in fact have physics for those objects. to suggest otherwise is absurd.

2. the expectation of TES-like mechanics specifically was 100% warranted and the Avowed devs were fucking retarded for trying to dodge them. they should have figured out their target audience before making a game, not made a weird misfit game and then complained about the audience misunderstanding them. learn how to market your product. if you don't want to be compared to TES, be different at first glance.

>>725180942
p.s. I just realized you said you can't shoot people in the face on the citadel and I haven't addressed that part.
you fucking retard! the devs of ME went out of their way to make sure you CAN'T shoot the NPCs in a situation where it would harm immersion. that's exactly what the Avowed devs didn't do!!!! fucking retard. in Avowed you CAN attack the NPCs, yet there is no feedback, the game just ignores the action as if it didn't happen. it's bottom of the barrel, early prototype gameplay. Avowed comes across like a game that was in development for less than 2 years and would have needed 4 to complete, just like every other turd Microsoft-owned studios make since 2020.

>>725172062
Anon that's Forespoken

>>725183494
Wasn't Avowed literally an mmo converted into a single-player game? That explains the theme park world with zero interaction.

>>725160654 (OP)
They are the same game with the same objectives.

>>725164168
avowed is ok but I am almost sure a sequel will be worse than the first one

>>725183553
Yeah it was Frankenstein'd from a multiplayer game to a single player one.

>>725161016
>I liked outer worlds 2
What's to like?
I can't think of a single redeeming factor

>>725184206
Can you think of any actual criticism though? And no, calling it <insert buzzword here> is not critique.

>>725184495
>Can you think of any actual criticism though?
It looks like absolute vomit.
We're talking 2001 tier here. I'm not even joking

I actually liked Avowed up until a certain point. The story was interesting to me, so it kept my attention for a bit. I also like RPG's in general, just depends on how much of an "RPG" the developers made it. I like certain kinds of RPG's.

avowed 2 ?
come on now, the game is so mediocre

>>725184495
>Can you think of any actual criticism though?
If it's anything like the first, just being a boring, shallow, ugly flat fucking grind of an arpg where you fight one of two dude variants is a pretty big criticism. Need a hell of a sell to outdo the first's reputation and just "well how shit can you really call it" isn't much of one.

>>725160654 (OP)
I doubt Obsidian is capable of making anything good, but from what I've seen Avowed didn't seem nearly as bad as Outer Worlds, so it's probably the better choice.

Explains why OW2 feels so unpolished compared to Avowed. They probably didn't even want to make a game in this shitty setting, but had the assets from the first game so it cuts down on preproduction time. Just pushed out this turd straight to gamepass.

Avowed had a solid gameplay core (or at least solid encounters based around fighting teams of enemies where each of them has a different role), and supposedly a setting. With good direction and writing Avowed 2 could be above average. That's best case scenario though.

I REALLY hope that in six months we get news that Microsoft is shutting down Obsidian and didn’t even tell them about it

>>725185006
So that's a big fat no.

I liked more Gothic 3 than Avowed

>>725179456
Outer worlds feels like a life time ago my life has changed so much since I played that mid game and so has the world. My brain doesn't even register the outer worlds 2 is a thing. I felt the same way when concord came out I was like what the fuck is this shit and how did it lose a billion dollars. That's how I feel about basically everything that comes out now. The kids do too there's a reason all they play is Fortnite

>>725160654 (OP)
>Avowed 2
You know what, I'm way more interested in that than Outer Worlds. Maybe it's just because it's in the same universe as the Pillars games (which I would love a 3rd game of), but the loot mechanics and the combat weren't that bad either.
But then again I didn't expect it to be the next Skyrim or Oblivion like some people so I guess my expectations were tempered.

>>725160654 (OP)
Avowed had really fun mage gameplay which was probably the best part of the game. If they improve on that, then I'm all for it.

>>725160654 (OP)
I just finished Avowed. It was all right with its environments being its strong point. It also had some interesting lore implications for Pillars. The most interesting was that the souls of people that die in the living lands appear to stay there, meaning it should probably not be affected by the destruction of the wheel.

If they make a sequel, my biggest wish list would be
>get rid of the NPC same face issue
>greater enemy variety
>less of "here's an arena, now we will spawn waves of mobs at you"
>better writers
>make it an RTWP CRPG

>>725188593
>RTWP
never happening. It's a turn based world now

>>725187060
This is my own fault for playing on PoTD, but I think they didn't give me enough defensive abilities. Getting one-shot by mages and Maegfolc towards the end, even with high elemental resistance got annoying. At least in a proper CRPG, you have enough control over your party to protect your squishy mage.

>>725188874
I know, but let a man dream. It's so sad having Pillars come out with the best implementation of RTWP to date and then have it die.

Guys, don't leave your copy of Outer Worlds 2 in your car. I found my window broken and three extra copies inside.

>>725179335
You're saying you actually enjoyed being forced to play as a bark faced troon with flowers coming out of your head?

>>725191295
You make the character you play as, anon. You don't need to pick huge wads of bark covering your eyes.

>>725161016
>mahiro anon
Post bussy pls?

>>725160727
>not fallout as not elder scrolls 2!
Obsidian's dead. Last good game was PoE2.

>>725191613
What if instead of being an aspect of the forgotten plant god we were allowed to choose to play as scions of other less faggy gods? Its that simple, railroad cuck anon.

Avowed was one of the first games I simply stopped playing before even finishing it.
The setting was okay, even the gameplay was passable. But damn, the story and the characters were just plain boring. The world was also completely lifeless.

>>725160654 (OP)
Well, I wouldn't play either. And I regret pirating past iterations because saying that I "played" them would be a rather generous interpretation of the four hours I wasted in total on both.
I can accept that I'm probably not the target audience for their games anymore, but I'm also having a really tough time thinking of anyone I know who would actually enjoy playing their games.
Is there a market for boring, bland, and unremarkable with a dash of mildly uncomfortable gayness? I guess it might appeal to the modern dnd crowd if those guys are still around? I mean most of them didn't even finish BG3 but surely they'll buy into even less impressive games that fail to hold your attention during the tutorial.

>>725161575
>>725176503
>>725176826
just because they run on a budget does not mean they could not make decent content. Wasteland 3 was also developed on an AA budget max and it was good

Obsidian stuff past Avellone ousting is just pure bland mediocrity

>>725192026
Could have been interesting if you were an aspect of Woedica, but part of the plot revolves around how godlikes were waning in number since the other gods are losing influence.

>>725160727
fpbp

>>725192186
Whoa the game was written in a way to make the situation you found yourself in possible? No way.

>>725192318
I mean, it follows logically after the events of Deadfire, with the wheel being broken and people losing faith in the gods after that whole thing with Eothas.
Did you expect them to not use the lore that forms the background of the game? Some parts are gay and stupid, sure, but it's not a sprawling CRPG like before.

>>725192026
>play as scions of other less faggy gods?
they're all dead lorelet

>>725192492
>>725192573
Cool setting. Obsidian's games are failing both in game and irl. Wonder why.

>>725160727
Black Isle/Obsidian has been on the verge of bankruptcy for years. They filed for it in 2018 and then Microsoft bought them.

>>725161575
Don't listen to this retard, Obsidian has retarded levels of spending and financial mismanagement.

>>725160727
MS cares if a company has an ongoing project or not.
Didn't matter that the HIFI Rush team made a successful game, they still fired them because they didn't have any project in production.
Obsidian is churning out slop after slop and apparently that's what MS is looking for.

>>725192026
Most RPGs impose some traits on your character. Like being a watcher in Pillars. I don't understand why this in particular makes so many people mad. They even gave you the option to visually hide the face fungus if it annoys you too much.

>>725160654 (OP)
>We are not making this sequel you didn't want, instead we are giving this other sequel you didn't want

>>725179456
>why though?
Because they only played 1 game by them. A game that had its entire foundation laid by Bethesda.

>>725192797
>I don't understand why this in particular makes so many people mad.
It's just the regurgitated artificial rage from /v/. Every talking point is repeated and there is no point in engaging with people on this shitty website if you want to discuss video games.

>>725192797
>>725192876
It's not even that bad a trait to impose. Mass Effect still has you as a soldier with your chosen background, similar to Avowed.
>oh no, you have to play as the protagonist that the story revolves around

>>725160727
Yeah something is fishy here.

>>725193016
Gay fishy?

>>725192797
if you want to make it an rpg give players choices to make. if you want to make a liner action game, get out of the players way, and let them take action. You can't remove their choices and then pelt them with focus group developed drivel. Just make a movie at that point. The gaming Industry has become so retarded

>>725179456
Sure you can hide it but when many npc’s still comment about it you can never really put it out of mind. You know is there and it sucks but really the game had so many flaws that’s a lesser one.

>>725160654 (OP)
are some games just total shell products like a mafia store front meant to funnel money through, then when it's all gone you just dump the studio? absolutely nobody i know played avowed and it didn't even feel like a real game, this feels like another horizon situation where a game has a phantom audience that doesn't actually exist

>>725193203
You dislike that you are forced to play as a fungus godlike so you would rather they took all other choice out of the game and made it a linear action sequence? Should they do the same for, for example, Baldur's Gate 1 because it forces you to play a bhaalspawn?

>>725160654 (OP)
They seriously think the faggots who believe their slop is Skyrim-like or Fallout-like are gonna stick around forever. The Outer Worlds 1 only sold because people thought it was Fallout, and nobody bought 2. Avowed sold because people thought it was Skyrim. Avowed 2 is gonna flop the same way.

You can tell how much passion people have for avowed 9 months after release based on all the care put into it on the pillars wiki

>>725193203
Do you also hate every other game where your character is predetermined

>>725160654 (OP)
Makes sense, why would they want to make a direct sequel right away? They didn't have a plan for an Avowed followup a week after it released.

>>725178585
>fun
We don't use that word here

>>725193596
Every game is predetermined its up to them to sell you on the illusion. When the first thing they show you is the top image, but what they actually sell you is the bottom image. Its somehow the players fault for feeling misled.

>>725193596
No, at least in new vegas you can ignore the main quest like until you felt like doing it unlike avowed.

>>725194306
But you get to do the top image as well, unless you really don't want to use magic. But that's up to you.
Also, they never hid the character creation? They bragged about it, dude.

>>725194306
you're actually crying that a cinematic trailer does not look like the actual game KEK

>>725193793
it doesn't matter what the company does it has microsoft money, and microsoft knows its cannibalizing its own sales with game pass it doesn't care at the moment

>>725194306
Bottom image literally looks like Pillars of Eternity.

>>725194306
>Its somehow the players fault for feeling misled.
It is their fault. If you can't wait for gameplay footage then there's something wrong with you. You care more about buying the hype and not the actual product.

>>725194439
True, though I'd also say that it's a different kind of rpg. New Vegas was much more open, where Avowed has certain setpieces or levels that you go through and mop up all the side quests.

>>725194473
>>725194487
>>725194549
>>725194557
Boot lickers would rather argue online about a game than actually play it.

>>725160654 (OP)
Obsidian will be shut down long before either happen.

>>725160727
FPBP

>>725171727
It's funny because the same shilling is being done in this very thread

Obsidian games are so close to being really good but their companions and the dialogue suck so bad. The story is fine, the situations the characters find themselves in are fine, but every line of dialogue feels like it's been sanded down to this weird HR speak with barely any emotion. You could shoot some guy's wife right in front of him and he'll just go "You bastard! I won't let you get away with this!"

>>725194796
I can think a game isn't shit and still pirate it.
When it goes on sale I'll give it a second playthrough and try a different path, maybe even ally with Woedica's skelly knight (my wife).

>>725194796
It's truly over when you have to resort to steam chart posting

>>725161016
>anime avatar
>dogshit opinion
name a more iconic duo

>>725160838
What the fuck are they doing with their money? I thought you put 5 million in a project, make 20 with it, use a portion of that 20 to make a new game and make more money. They shouldn't have to grift on kickstarter or sell out to MS. Where's the money lebowski?

>>725194306
if someone makes that game baited on top I would still play it. and I don't even like Skyrim, but I did like Oblivion back in the day. guaranteed, everyone who likes Skyrim wants another similar game badly because the niche is a vaccuum since 2011.

>>725195113
>New Vegas
Got screwed out of their payday by a retarded metacritic clause.
>Tyranny
Reallocated budget to PoE 1.
>PoE 1
Spent the money on voice acting for PoE 2.
>PoE 2
Poor initial sales. Profitable over time.

I never paid much attention to Outer Worlds, but for their other "recent" games, they have had bad luck or poor sales.

>>725196448
>Got screwed out of their payday by a retarded metacritic clause.
Bethesda added the Bonus in the initial contract you sperg

>>725196635
I know and don't care what he says. I still think they got screwed over.

>>725196736
Then you didn't play New Vegas on release.

>>725196812
Didn't Bethesda force them to release it early?

>>725196812
I don't care what the state of the game was on release. I take issue with predicating a bonus on fucking Metacritic instead of something reasonable.

>>725197040
No, they had 15 month contract that they agreed to and signed. According to Avellone, they finished ahead of schedule but Feargus told them to keep working on it and adding shit to the game, promising the devs that he could get a time extension from Bethesda. Bethesda told him no and by then they had already used the time for QA on adding more content. So QA just never happened and then the game released. Feargus tried to sue Bethesda but a Judge ruled he had no standing. Obsidian will never touch another Bethesda IP while he's still there.

>>725197374
Sauce?
Feargus sounds like a supervillain name

>>725160654 (OP)
>>725160727

Blackrock, USAID, Sweet Baby all that mess

>>725197575
>sounds like a supervillain name
>feargus urquhart
sounds like an Eldritch name, but all of this is in the GVMERS video, Zenimax even wanted Interplay to make a Fallout Online MMO but Interplay lied about securing funds and showed them fake gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaA6ZEoMJzU

>>725160654 (OP)
dont care. obsidian has never made a good game but their trannies will keep buying them.

>>725197943
>Zenimax even wanted Interplay to make a Fallout Online MMO but Interplay lied about securing funds and showed them fake gameplay
Feargus shot down Fallout Online plans in the 90s and he left Interplay/BIS before Bethesda acquired Fallout IP, he literally has nothing to do with FOnline

>>725198162
He had two suites against Zenimax, the first one was "contract breach" over New Vegas, which got dropped. The second one was when he jumped in behind Interplay when they tried to sue for the rights to Fallout Online. The man is brain dead.

>>725198327
>The man is brain dead.
Obsidian is still in business after 22 years in spite of fumbling and under-delivering, so I guess he does at least something right.

Holy based.

I don't give a shit about Outer Worlds and enjoyed Avowed.

I won.

I don't care about Outer Worlds because the entire world is just a parody and there's no depth to it. It's basically a real RPG but set in a Borderlands tier setting. Worse than Borderlands, even. You could only pull that off if you were fucking hilarious. Not even the original Fallout and Arcanum team could pull that off.

Avowed is at least part of a world that takes itself seriously. Although I will say that the worst moments in Avowed were easily when they were trying to do irreverent humor.

Avowed was better than Outer Wilds 1 and I actually enjoyed the game. I didn't even hate OW1, the DLC specifically was actually fun, but I can't imagine a single person wanting a fucking sequel. Shit's baffling.

>>725171375
There are two kinds of zealous anti-woke fags:
1) People that literally don't play games and are just using vidya as an excuse for their gay culture war battleground
2) Liars virtue signaling for based points

>>725178270
>>725178474
based Pillars of Eternity enjoyer
The game that filtered /v/
Admittedly the game seriously needed an editor because they were huffing their farts with how drawn out the text was. Thaos rules, though.

>>725198897
I mean, his avatar is from a game which had crossdressing and gay marriage.
>Borderlands RU
And he's Russian, figures.

>fallout new vegas was a normal game
>silence for a decade
>make gay space adventure
>it was okay, very safe
>make gay fantasy adventure
>very pozzed and woke
>make gay space adventure 2
>no one plays it
>announce gay fantasy adventure 2

>>725199105
All of those characters are good except for the sex crazed auntie gremlin on the top left

I don't even know how someone could think that the dwarf on the left and the black cutie on the right would be worth mocking

>>725199105
>>fallout new vegas was a normal game
dude 3 out of 6 humanoid companions on New Vegas are gay or bisexual

out of the 3 ones left, 1 is a heterosexual White man, another is a Mexican man whose dick probably rotted off and the other one is a sterile granny bodybuilder

>>725198897
>>725199081
>Dragonirian
probably a furry too

>>725199216
I can see why people would mock Marius a bit, since he does start out standoffish, but he's a good character overall. Giatta is probably the least offensive of them all, outside of a bit of awkward dialogue.

>>725184495
They managed to take worst properties of open world and linear games and combine them together, creating tiny limited spaces that have fuck all in them.

>>725199384
As a big open world hater, I disagree. I think Avowed's maps are fun to explore. In fact, they are fun to explore despite the fact that the developers seriously fucked up on the itemization and most of the shit you find is worthless or craftslop. The exploration is fun by itself.

>>725160654 (OP)
>avellone
The fuck does he know

>>725184495
>Can you think of any actual criticism though?
Performance is horribly optimized, damn near constant screen tearing and fps drops with higher values. The only fix for this is to cap the game at 60fps even if have a monitor capable of 120hz or 144hz

>>725160654 (OP)
>Thoughts?
I think Obsidian lost the plot with OW1 and never recovered. Avowed being a game where you're forced to play as a freak with fungus growing on their face and then them releasing a trailer specifically shitting on fans of Outer Worlds for what they personally like only solidified those thoughts. I've got no goodwill left for them.

>>725199216
>I don't even know how someone could think that the dwarf on the left ... would be worth mocking
They mock short people on here all the time

>>725184495
As someone who enjoyed the game, the performance was not great and the Orlans overall do not translate that well to real 3d characters without them looking goofy.
But with those being my main gripes and wanting more of the previous Pillars lore in it, I think that's not bad.

>>725199012
>they were huffing their farts with how drawn out the text was
People say this, but then go on to defend PS:T.

>>725199859
>and the Orlans overall do not translate that well to real 3d characters without them looking goofy
This isn't inherently a problem with Orlans, it's a problem with the way they designed characters in the game.

I don't know how to explain it, but basically, they made their character creator and every character in the game uses at least some elements of the character creator. But then you can see that when they translate the eyes and noses and stuff from human to orlan, it looks ridiculous.

It's like if you were in Elder Scrolls, spent half an hour making a human character, and then just changed him to a Dragonian and kept everything as is

>>725200042
>but basically, they made their character creator and every character in the game uses at least some elements of the character creator.
I never noticed that before and now I can't unsee it.

>>725160654 (OP)
yay. cant wait to play more FAGGOT FISHMEN and horny geriatric orlans.

>>725167994
to own the chuds.

>>725200042
>>725200191
It all makes sense now, fuck.

>>725199886
Well, yeah, PoE tried to be everything. It tried to be Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment and Icewind Dale. And then in the sequel they tried veering it a bit towards Larian's games, too.

I played Planescape Torment for the first time three years ago and I really enjoyed it (The gameplay was way better than I expected, too. Everyone kept telling me it was shit). I don't think the writing is anywhere near as drawn out as PoE's overall. It has its bad moments but overall it's well done.

>>725178610
hmm, that chick on the left has potential, not a big fan of multi boob though.

>>725179129
how so? havent played OW1.

>>725160727
They still have goodwill from New Vegas, evidently.
It doesn't hurt that they're owned by a gigantic nation-sized corporation that has unlimited money.

>>725178687
Deadfire was a lot better than first pillars in pretty much everything, including writing, and i really don't get why people shit on it so much.

>>725200606
because the marketing make it look like a pirate game when it's not that at all so as usual, people base it on one thing and create their own conclusion

>>725200606
I like Deadfire a lot, but the problem with the writing is that while they did correct on PoE 1's purple prose, they way overcorrected on tone. It's way too Larianfied and jokey. Really, the start of that trend because it's been a very noticeable thing how non-seriously all Obsidian games take themselves ever since, with Pentiment being the only exception.

>>725200606
One common complaint I have seen is that the main quest isn't the focus and that the wheel is destroyed no matter what you do.

>>725200191
this dude got roped in my playthru.

>>725200802
Same... I felt bad...

>>725200802
>>725200839
F

>>725200606
too many angry black uggo lesbians and the woke art style that makes the games in this setting boring.

>>725160654 (OP)
WokeGods can't stop winning

>>725200406
New Vegas is a goat game for a good reasons. and gives fans of the game hopium for newer Obsidian games.

>>725201136
I prefer Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Alpha Protocol, Pillars of Eternity, Pillars of Eternity 2 and Pentiment to New Vegas

>>725201136
People are still too stupid to understand that the game isn't made by the New Vegas people. It's a completely different team lead by completely different management with completely different motives and, generally, a much bigger focus on short-term profitability.
This is the case for basically every game developer these days.

>>725201357
Josh Sawyer and John Gonzalez, the two main people responsible for New Vegas, are working on a game together right now for Obsidian.

Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean it will be good. After all, The Outer Worlds was made by the main dev and the main artist of the original Fallout.

But people definitely overuse the "Not actually made by the makers of [X]" meme on Obsidian. It's a company that has relatively low turnover.

>>725201474
It's been proven to be a marketing strategy.
How many fucking games have you seen "from the makers of:" and it was dogshit?
How many until your brain develops pattern recognition?

>>725201731
My point is that you can say that it's a marketing strategy and that the game will probably be shit without always doing what every person incorrectly does for Obsidian, which is to pretend that they are lying and it's not actually the same devs.

This isn't Back 4 Blood, mate. They didn't grab a random janitor and one or two cutscene designers, make them leads and pretend it's the same team. This IS the same core. This IS the same leads.

>>725200935
The noose is not even tightened.

>>725160727
Cause anons were on here like "yo Avowed combat is kinda cooking rn senpai" and trying to squeeze fun out of it even though they could be playing literally any arcade or retro game ever made.

>>725202914
You want them to change a single, often reused model/texture on a very small object to fit a scripted part of the narrative? Are you fucking crazy?