Thread 725162415

so i wanted to make a simple little game on godot and the gameplay loop is like this
>VNs with multiple choices
>Bullet hell like touhou
>VN
>Bullet hell
Is this a feasible and fun gameplay loop? I know Godot can handle either VNS or bullet hells but can it handle both?

Kill yourself Cris.

so basicaly deltarune/undertale , or tyrian 2000
sure it can be fun, if you know how to make fun bullet hell and your writing is engaging

>>725162543
Cris can't draw this soulfully. The anatomy isn't disgusting enough.

>>725162415 (OP)
>Is this a feasible and fun gameplay loop?
Meh depends, they appeal to different kinds of autists. If the bullet hell aspect is too grindy the VN people won't like it and if the VN aspect drags too much or is boring the bullet hell people won't like it.

Godot can do both at the same time just fine if you know how to code.

>>725162821
What if i made it level based so the VN people can read their VN without fighting a single bullet hell and the bullet hell people can fight bosses cuphead style without reading a line of lore?

>>725162415 (OP)
n-no, it's not appealing whatsoever. please do not steal my idea I came up with this like 6 months ago but haven't been able to work on it

>>725163015
theres a porn game with a similar setup so dont worry about your idea being stolen. chances are its already been done.

>>725162415 (OP)
play yuru kill

No

>>725162921
so you want make people not engage with 50% of your game?
what prevents VN fans from just reading other VN and bullet hell fans to go play other BH?
hell I would make VN choices affect bullet hell segment and vice versa

So get this...

Tetris Attack but also a bullet hell. I'm only in the preliminary planning stage but this is my brilliant idea.

>>725163705
I can perhaps make two bosses based on the VN choices but I dont think I am competent enough to code bullet hell choices that affects the VN unless its something just visual

>>725163803
Kek

>>725162415 (OP)
VN can be a good decompression after intense gameplay. Yeah, go for it.

>>725162415 (OP)
I mean, arguably, Touhou already has story elements like that in between the bullet hell sections

>>725162623
>undertale and tyrian are the same overly specific sub genre
I don't know how to deal with this.

>>725163705
>what prevents VN fans from just reading other VN
weird fetishes and 4chan references usually

>>725162623
>>725164662
That's not true! That's IMPOSSIBLE!

>>725162415 (OP)
wish fulfillment VN > competent bullet hell > plot-heavy VN >>> weird hybrid genre
I'd much rather the story be told through live in-level radio/magic comms or whatever, if the story's too complex for that option then I'm just going to be fast-forwarding through the VN parts so I can go back to playing more bullet hell

>>725162415 (OP)
i'd buy it

>>725162415 (OP)
I can't think of two gameplay styles more diametrically opposed

>>725165278
Foes

>>725165432
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>>725162415 (OP)
I was watching a Yahtzee review the other day for the Dungeons of Hinterberg where he makes a comment like "the Persona formula of VN life sim by day and dungeon crawling explorer RPG by night is a functioning formula". Other games like Reccatear does similar with the shopkeeping by day and the dungeoncrawling at another time do the similar dual gameplay system that contrasts with each other. Shit, even Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Simulator does a system of restaurant tycoon> trad FNAF office gameplay> salvage segments that offers a big tonal whiplash from 1 to 2/3 back to 1. I think it'll work, just make sure if you specifically are making one segment less important or weaker than the other that you make sure the required play of it reflects it and you don't make players sit through a half assed VN story or you make the bullet hell segments as short as can be if you're not going to make it as engaging or balanced for most players. Difficulty selection may also make a difference.
When I was younger I was really into the story for the MGS games but I sucked at the stealth gameplay. I actually sucked hard at stealth, but I kept playing because I wanted to see how the story went. If you're lucky you might have an audiance interested in one segment who dislike the other, not because of the quality of your product but because it's not for them or they suck at it. I think a difficulty option would help so you can keep the BH parts difficult for those looking for a challenge but allow others to breeze through it if they're only into the VN aspect.

>>725165278
The BlazBlue series was basically that but with fighting game and VN.
It worked fine.

>>725162415 (OP)
Hell Maidens sucked so no

>>725162415 (OP)
Gameplay loop should describe more than just what genres your game has. They need to be mashed up and integrated in some way as well.

Put the dialog options on-screen during the bullet hell segments with the 'better' dialog options higher up on the screen and covered by more bullets while the worse dialog options are lower and safer to hit.
Then between 'conversation' segments there are life-sim moments where you choose where to spend your time, grinding knowledge stats like History, Sports, Classics, that make certain dialog options easier to reach during bullet hell segments. You earn exp in these skills by grazing bullets during training segments for spell cards the girls will use.

So for example, you're trying to talk to an outdoorsy girl and she points to a plant that she thinks looks nice. 3 dialog prompts appear:
<Yeah, it's cool I guess.> which is near the bottom of the screen.
<Not as beautiful as you.> which is near the top and covered in bullets.
<That's a lemon fern, not native to this region.> which is either near the top or bottom depending on your Biology skill.

>>725167121
What is hell maiden

>>725162543
>>725162728
What the fuck is Cris

>>725167634
Chan

>>725168396
Oh

>>725163840
All it would be is a list of boolean flags in the backend, when the scene is loaded just spawn different bits
>bool shotFemboiBossInDick = false.
>Shoot Femboi boss in his dick while he's monologuing
>shotFemboiBossInDick= true
>Now you've unlocked the optional gay romance section of the VN
Not hard

>>725162415 (OP)
So like 13 Sentinels which was a VN/adventure hybrid with sRPG gameplay levels?

>>725162415 (OP)
They kind of already do this with rabi ribi, and it works pretty fucking well.

no it isnt

>>725170614
why

>>725162415 (OP)
It is entirely feasible. Look up Dialogic, it's a dialogue system plugin for Godot that will trivialize the VN portion of your game, but is still really customizable. Plus, a bullet-hell is incredibly easy to make. Low art scope, easy programming, etc.
Godot can handle both easily.
Will it be fun? Hard to say, but I think there's a point in your favor that VN enjoyers and Bullet Hell enjoyers have a lot of overlap.

yerrible

>>725173563
t

>>725162415 (OP)
>mix something that is 100% video game and fun with something that is 0% gameplay and boring
nah

>>725175183
I'll never understand how people can be so easily bored. Do you never read? Look at art? Or just pictures? Or just outside? Ever think a full sentence? What about another after that? Ever consider pacing in a game like this? Do you get on your phone if a cutscene comes on? Do you get on your phone in the movies? What about in bed? do you take your phone out if you last more than 30 seconds? Oh who am I kidding you probably let someone else do the heavy-lifting after all, you're too busy getting your dopamine hit.

>>725175337
adhd

>>725175337
my main hobby is reading, I want video games to be an interactive medium

>>725162415 (OP)
Isn't that kind of what Max Payne does? I think it'd work pretty well.

>>725162415 (OP)
>Pre-mission story
>Gameplay
>Post-mission story
There aren't many games with a plot and discrete levels that doesn't follow this structure. Really it comes down to implementation, but I'd prioritize gameplay because people will play a fun game with no story, and will just watch someone else if it's terrible to play.
Also as a Godotdev it can definitely manage both, the Canvas system is cancer but VN are piss easy to make.

>>725162415 (OP)
You could make a bullet hell game where you must pick the choice in the bullet hell itself, then you introduce a yandere girl who focuses her bullets on the options that she dislikes.
Likewise you could have a shy introvert girl that doesn't know how to open up so the options to get closer to her are the most dangerous ones.

>>725162415 (OP)
thats not what a gameplay loop is or means

as for the "idea" of a vn+shmup mashup
im sure it already exists and no one cares

I don't care for hybrid genres. VNs and gameplay are pretty diametrically opposed, some retards like shit like Baldr sky but I just found the gameplay segments to be tedious.

I don't want to read for 10 minutes to fight a boss, and I don't want to fight a boss for 10 minutes to read more.

A good hybrid is a branching story in a gameplay heavy genre, like Ace Combat 3. In multiple missions you get the chance to do things like desert your squad and join another team.

>>725162415 (OP)
I think it's okay if the VN part doesn't drag on. Undertale is basically this.

If pyre could do it with a sportsball mini-game I don't see why not

>>725178938
wbat game

>>725179250
that one game made by the hades devs

>>725162728
>>725162728
who is kris

>>725179604
ohhh

If the VN segments are short enough then I think most people wouldn't mind. If it's too long, most people will probably end up dropping it because then it'd feel like an obstacle to the gameplay.

>touhou
dont.

>>725162415 (OP)
There's very little overlap between people who want to play an arcade-y shmup and watch what amounts to very long cutscenes.
Or at least, not at the same time.

>>725181987
>touhou derangement syndrome

>>725182842
Yes.what OP is describing feels like super faggot-y

>>725162415 (OP)
I mean it could be fine, but you run the risk of one half of the game being notably worse than the other and dragging the whole thing down. Both parts should feel essential to the game and be worthwhile. Look at Neon White for an example of a tacked on VN component that only serves to make the game worse via the worst writing on the planet, with no choices and the inability to completely skip it, only make it go slightly faster

Something ccp

>>725184239
Glory to ccp

>>725185554
Yes

>>725162415 (OP)
yes, but make the playable character an egg and the bullets sperm cells.
It's a metaphor for the girl to save herself for the final encounter that is (you)

>>725187486
What

>>725162415 (OP)
There was a game like this, played a switch demo about it. Some kind of death game premise, was Japanese. So there's a precedent for that, at least.

>>725162415 (OP)
A lot of people are screeching ITT but I think this would definitely have an audience. You just have to make both aspects (story and gameplay) be good enough and figure out a way to have both aspects synergize with each other (i.e. depending which route you take in the VN you get different passives/charms that affect the bullet hell sections for the rest of the game).
>Godot can handle either VNS or bullet hells but can it handle both?
Absolutely.

>>725162415 (OP)
yes its fine and also a good scope for a solo developer game
now finish it
or else

If I play something like that i'd just use CE to deal with the crap gameplay part.

>>725188896
The oldest recorded premise is a game based on Castle Shikigami 2.
There's both a regular danmaku game with only small(and absurdly translated) cutscenes, and another that has VN sections + shmup boss rush. The latter is untranslated I believe.

>>725163190
Is it good? The demo looked interesting but I have zero experience or skill for bullet hells.

>>725167634
/agdg/ lolcow for years with bad art who is always looking for a new idea but never committing to one. He spends a lot of time refining his "workflows" but doesn't do anything useful with them.

Do they play into each other? So for example, might VN choices determine the boss you fight, the weapon you get? Would the bullet hell performance impact the VN segment, does strong performance in a level lead to getting to talk to new characters or having them recognise your performance, whereas deaths have them react with pity or disappointment? The key thing with a segmented game like that is to make sure there’s multiple points where both halves of the game feed into one another.