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Where did Zelda decline?
Anonymous No.725249727 [Report] >>725258889
tp was the first title that was soulless and its been downhill since. ww was rushed and not as good as oot but still had a unique vision and great artsyle which I cant say about anything after it.
Anonymous No.725250050 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Windwaker.

rough diamond game that was clearly undercooked. Then they gave us the polished turd that was overcooked, It would be better if it were ridig and large..then came the first zelda game I'd recommend skipping.....

Link between worlds, Spirit Tracks and Minish cap came also came out out in that period of time and IMO, they are better than those 3 games over all.
Anonymous No.725250080 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
>Where did Zelda decline?
OoT. Casual dogshit for retarded 8 year olds, which is why journalists loved it.
Anonymous No.725250149 [Report] >>725250231 >>725250846 >>725250957 >>725260470
>>725249581 (OP)
Skyward Sword is the Phantom Menace of Zelda.
Anonymous No.725250231 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
>>725250149
To be honest, none of the 3D Zelda games are terrible but Skyward Sword is much, much worse than the previous Zelda games.
Anonymous No.725250373 [Report] >>725250548 >>725250710 >>725251770
>>725249581 (OP)
Majora's Mask, the shitty asset reusing sequel to one of the best games ever, with a horrible long boring opening and a pitiful number of dungeons, won GOTY over Deus Ex? What the fuck? I guess Nintendo have always had industry cheat codes.
Anonymous No.725250482 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Declined at skyward sword, then shark jumped at BOTW.
Anonymous No.725250548 [Report]
>>725250373
Both of your complains can be applied to ocaeina of time too however youre right
deus ex is still the best game ever but the combat and mechanical complexity scares normies
Anonymous No.725250710 [Report] >>725251242
>>725250373
Deus Ex fucking sucks and if you'd played it you would know this, zoom zoom. No game like OoT or MM had ever been made at the time, no game had ever had stories as complex or deep. They weren't just games, they were experiences.
Anonymous No.725250793 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
After twilight princess. It was still a great game but the cracks were starting to show.
Anonymous No.725250838 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
probly around twilight princess
tho its still good
Anonymous No.725250846 [Report]
>>725250149
thats a scarily apt description
Anonymous No.725250918 [Report] >>725251131 >>725251786 >>725252414 >>725256459
>>725249581 (OP)
Zelda didn't decline. Let's be honest, TotK only lost because it was basically a ROM Hack of BotW, and BotW had already won GOTY. Objectively speaking, TotK is far superior to Baldur's Gate 3. It sold a lot more, and its appeal was its absolutely brilliant mechanics and physics, as opposed to le ebin bear sex xD
Anonymous No.725250957 [Report] >>725251043
>>725250149
A bad product that only looks good because the things after it were much worse?
Anonymous No.725250967 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
honestly it started with majoras mask which basically was a dlc and it got progressively slowy a bit worse and worse with wind waker then dogzelda etc until breath of the wild and then tears of the trash which is again basically just a shitty dlc
Anonymous No.725251043 [Report]
>>725250957
Yes. Also because it was the start of the decline.
Anonymous No.725251076 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Skyward Sword easily
Anonymous No.725251098 [Report] >>725251153
Wind Waker
Anonymous No.725251131 [Report]
>>725250918
TotK is just straight worse than BotW, and BotW already wasn't something I'd consider good. Adding vehicles to an open world that wasn't designed for it really did the game no favors.
Anonymous No.725251153 [Report] >>725258729
>>725251098
Wind Waker is the Return of the Jedi of Zelda. A masterpiece that gets unfairly maligned for perceived "kiddiness" but caps the trilogy (OoT/MM/WW) perfectly.
Anonymous No.725251223 [Report] >>725251441
weird how good it is there simply isn't a bad zelda it's an ip to be cherished
Anonymous No.725251242 [Report] >>725251537 >>725251660 >>725258684
>>725250710
The game that most gamers consider to be the finest ever written came out the year after Ocarina of time. Gameplay is another matter, but don't make hyperbolic statements that aren't true. Also
>le game was never good actually
Deus ex is classic for a reason. The shooting sucks and the stealth is buggy but the level design has never been surpassed even by thief 2 which is on par id say
Anonymous No.725251303 [Report] >>725251581
>>725249581 (OP)
Skyward Sword. But then botw didn't really fix it, it just threw the baby out with the bathwater
Anonymous No.725251441 [Report] >>725251581
>>725251223
I have argued for years that Skyward Sword is an actually bad game.
Anonymous No.725251537 [Report] >>725251867
>>725251242
>The game that most gamers consider to be the finest ever written
Lol. I play video games for the writing.
Anonymous No.725251574 [Report] >>725251959
>>725249581 (OP)
majora's mask.
the time schedule thing was neat and it was cool the game was darker, but only 4 temples and reusing oot npcs was nono.
Anonymous No.725251581 [Report]
>>725251303
>>725251441
The wii version of skyward sword is terrible, switch remastered is a big improvement however
Anonymous No.725251628 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Windwaker, Triforce Hunt sucked. The best Zelda games are 2D.
Anonymous No.725251660 [Report] >>725251867
>>725251242
What game are you talking about? Most normies say TLOU is the best.
Anonymous No.725251678 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Wind waker was awful, and being rushed isn't an excuse, MM was rushed even harder. TP was better but still noticeably inferior to OoT/MM. And then SS was SS and nintendo said fuck it and went open world
Anonymous No.725251765 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
>kotor
>oblivion
seems like people who voted through "reader's choice media" had shit taste anyway
Anonymous No.725251770 [Report]
>>725250373
I like majoras mask more than OOT. So many more characters are fleshed out and the overall gimmicks of all the dungeons were more fun than OOT dungeons.
Anonymous No.725251786 [Report] >>725252739 >>725255284
>>725250918
holy cope
Anonymous No.725251867 [Report] >>725252010 >>725259639
>>725251537
The point I was trying to make was that that anon was glazing Nintendo for featuring story and gameplay harmony when that is something that games were doing in the eighties with 1 microbit of ram
>>725251660
Planescape torment. I do not agree with this however most people agree on this. Although disco Elysium has maybe stolen the spot for a similar demographic who is younger
Anonymous No.725251952 [Report] >>725254575 >>725257641
>>725249581 (OP)
It simply didn't. All of those games are better than your average video game. Zelda is a high quality series.
Anonymous No.725251959 [Report]
>>725251574
there is nothing wrong with asset flips of your own shit. This is why dev time takes forever, because of these retarded expectations.

There was less temples but more meaningful things to do with the npcs.
Anonymous No.725251992 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
ALttP > OoT
3D was the downfall of Zelda.
Anonymous No.725252010 [Report]
>>725251867
Planescape is an incredible work of art to be sure, but it fails as a playable game pretty spectacularly. Its buggy and the combat is dogshit even by CRPG standards.
Anonymous No.725252123 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Unironically, Zelda was doomed the moment Nintendo merged their home console and portable development divisions. The lack of 2D Zelda for ten years and then the big comeback being a sandbox puzzler wounds me more than I could possibly describe.
Anonymous No.725252414 [Report]
>>725250918
>Zelda didn't decline. Let's be honest, TotK only lost because it was basically a ROM Hack of BotW, and BotW had already won
More to in than that. BOTW did well because if offered a unique take on things that hadn't been done before in a zelda game (except maybe a little in Wind Waker). It was like an open world game for people who didn't really play open world games. It also leaned a lot on OOT nostalgia bait.
But now it has been done and people saw all their was to see at length in many cases till they were sick of it. Totk doubled down on more of the same but is is not unique anymore and i'm not sure where they can go from here or if it is a viable formula for the future. Climbing buildings and gliding between mountains is only fun for so long.
It has lost most of what made it a zelda game in the first place.
Now people are getting starved for the older formula with long dungeons, more rigid puzzle solving, and more unique weapons/tool variety vs just using whatever shit is lying on the ground.
It was very much a shark jump.
Anonymous No.725252739 [Report]
>>725251786
I'm sure Aonoma would be devasted... if he hadn't won GPTY for literally the exact same game.
Anonymous No.725253080 [Report]
Your image seems to indicate it goes up and down rather than just being "a decline." You only want to believe it's a decline that lines up with you getting older.
Anonymous No.725254575 [Report]
>>725251952
I’m really looking forward to what they’re gonna do next with the mainline games. I simply love the setting and always will
Anonymous No.725254754 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
shit waker is god awful boring dogshit and the only people that defend it are retarded subhuman cubie zoomers
Anonymous No.725254787 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Objectively Wind Waker/Four Swords Adventures. Zelda 1 to Oracles was the golden age. Minish Cap/Twilight Princess were the dying breaths. A Link Between Worlds was some kind of miracle resuscitation before almost immediately being dumped back into the grave it crawled out of.
Anonymous No.725254945 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Everything after twilight princes is just mindless slop
Anonymous No.725255213 [Report] >>725255352
>>725249581 (OP)
twilight princess was a weird over correction from wind waker, so i'd say there. twilight princess had nothing to offer other than going "hey remember ocarina of time?" which is the biggest issue. people remember midna, and her theme.
Anonymous No.725255284 [Report]
>>725251786
>alan wake showered in awards
>shilled by every website ever
>made no money
>remedy makes a slop game to try and recoup loses
>it flops hard
>they're on their way out
weird, i thought alan wake 2 was the game of all time, and sold 50 billion copies.
Anonymous No.725255352 [Report]
>>725255213
Structurally, Twilight Princess was Wind Waker but better. Both were extremely linear and simplified games but where Wind Waker is that because it was rushed, Twilight Princess actively is designed around that philosophy and tries to make it work. It's basically a long parade of setpiece moments and dungeon gimmicks.
Anonymous No.725255374 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Ocarina
Anonymous No.725255651 [Report] >>725259636 >>725260693
>>725249581 (OP)
Windwaker - introduced overly cartoonified art style and filled open world with an empty ocean and mindless sailing.

Twilight Princess - Clearly took the criticism from Windwaker too far Pendulum swung far too hard down the dark and drab art style missing the contrast of both dark and bright from previous Zelda games. Dumbified dungeon items to just be glorified dungeon keys. The items lost their general utility and instead only do specific one-off gimmick functions and generally weak useless or anywhere else. The dungeon items from previous Zelda games either aided traversal, combat, utility, etc that made the game more interesting as you progressed.

Skyward Sword - Took the worst aspects from Windwaker and Twilight Princess and put them together in one game. Dungeon design went out the window as well with uninteresting puzzles and linear level design.


BOTW - No more dungeons. No dungeon items, just randomized looting. All weapons/shields breaks faster than the Biggoron sword from OOT. How is this even considered a Zelda game at this point?

TOTK - Okay fine, what ever this game is, it isn't too bad. A lot of cool unique mechanics like fusion and vehicle crafting. But still not anything close to a Zelda game. I guess they kinda just gave up on making Zelda games and just kept the same name for what ever
Anonymous No.725255930 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
WW was the first time I felt like the game I finished wasn't as good as the one before it. TP was a massive release at the time but even then it was kind of a slog and not really original. It was cool in the moment but not very memorable. Skyward Sword looked so lame there was no way I was buying a Wii for it when the Wii had fuckall games otherwise, so I skipped it. Considering the LORE fanbase that was appealed to by it I have a really bad image of it which is putting me off of playing it. I also don't really want to play another dungeon focused Zelda game at this point.
Anonymous No.725256124 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Which games are better than the others in the series? I like:
>Link to the Past items/dungeons
>Twilight princess overworld
>Links Awakening story/theme
>spirit track's Zelda
>majoras mask undertones/abilities
>oracle of ages/seasons, minishcap mechanics
>boat and train autism
>waifus from every game
Anonymous No.725256367 [Report]
>You wanna know when Zelda declined? When [Game X] came out! It's fucking awful dog shit that murdered my family when you compare it to [Game Y, which is actually 99% similar to Game X in the first place]

God I would love to watch any of you guys stream through an entire game, cause I guarantee that I'd be able to make a "This is how you don't play..." for Zelda that's at least x3 as long as the Game Grumps ones.
Anonymous No.725256376 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
After the GC and GBA.
All the entries after were shit and they kept chasing gimmicks instead of just making more true epic OoT style games.
Anonymous No.725256450 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
I played all of them up until the summit of MM and then none after, so I don't know or care what happened to the series.
Anonymous No.725256459 [Report] >>725257486
>>725250918
Sometimes it feels I'm one of the only people who enjoys both TotK and BG3.
Anonymous No.725257248 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
It began with Twilight Princess probably, it ended up being an okay game, but it disappointed many, me included, mostly because of the hype behind it...it was MASSIVE, seriously the game was everywhere in gaming news and nerd circles, people were talking about how it was gonna be adult Zelda, with blood and gore and mature themes...it ended up being just Zelda again with a slightly darker story, you could say Skyward sword was worse, but there was zero hype for it, so when it ended up being the worst 3D Zelda, people were not surprised, they were kinda expecting it, hell I still remember that E3 where Miyamoto could not get the waggle controls to work on stage
Anonymous No.725257486 [Report]
>>725256459
Totk is great gameplay-wise but you have to admit the story was kinda shit and lazy (that one repeated cutscene after every temple). Zelda being a dragon was cool tho
Anonymous No.725257641 [Report]
>>725251952
skyward sword is an anomaly that was targeted at wii fit grandmas 5 years deep into the console's life span when no casuals were even left playing it

phantom hourglass was also faceroll easy despite its attempts to be experimental, and was additionally marred by an abysmal ost

other than those two yeah you're right
Anonymous No.725257683 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Botw, when normal fags killed it obviously
Anonymous No.725257728 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
It hasn't. This is just a classic part of the Zelda cycle.
Anonymous No.725258519 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Windwaker and its consequences were a disaster for the Zelda franchise. One of the worse decisions ever made and Aonuma should have stepped down as creative director after that. I'm not going to go as far to say that WW is a bad game (although it is heavily flawed), but it did throw out the series' identity up to that point and the franchise has just been in this weird limbo where it still hasn't figured itself out. BotW was them giving up and just changing Zelda into another open world RPG, Link losing the green tunic is the capstone on the grave of Zelda.
Anonymous No.725258684 [Report]
>>725251242
>finest ever written came out the year after Ocarina of time
You have the right year but the wrong game. It's not Planescape but rather SMAC
Anonymous No.725258729 [Report]
>>725251153
>but caps the trilogy (OoT/MM/WW) perfectly.
In your fucking dreams cubie
Anonymous No.725258889 [Report]
>>725249727
>tp was the first title that was soulless
objectively wrong
Anonymous No.725259453 [Report]
>>725249581 (OP)
Botw killed the series
Anonymous No.725259636 [Report]
>>725255651
this
Anonymous No.725259639 [Report]
>>725251867
>glazing
STFU
Anonymous No.725259724 [Report] >>725261335
I want Zelda to go back to the old formula. BOTW and TOTK both sucked and I don't want the franchise to go in that direction at all for the next game.

I miss items, I miss dungeons, I miss pieces of heart, I miss hearing music everywhere, I miss the progression of your weapons and items.

I just want another 3D Zelda adventure again...
Anonymous No.725259886 [Report]
Wind Waker was the first dip in quality. Twilight Princess took the worst things about Wind Waker and double down on them (linear, dumbed down experience with bad pacing). Skyword Sword took the worst things about Wind Waker AND Twlight Princess and combined them into one game. BOTW overcorrected and got rid of too many series staples. TOTK was a glorified DLC.
Anonymous No.725260470 [Report] >>725261597
>>725250149
how so?
Anonymous No.725260693 [Report]
>>725255651
Anonymous No.725261335 [Report]
>>725259724
I feel that pain in my soul. I wish things were better too.
Anonymous No.725261597 [Report]
>>725260470
Shoddy prequel that gives an explanation and origin story to things that didn't need to be defined like the sword and Demise.
Anonymous No.725262768 [Report]
should I play wind waker? I remember playing the hd version over a decade ago and dropping it
Anonymous No.725263507 [Report]
Imagine hating on TP and not appreciating the beauty of it. Holy shit could never be me