Thread 725253414

Magic users can summon the elements or control demons, stop time or even arrange molecules but can’t make themselves just as strong or durable as physical builds.

>>725253414 (OP)
well hackschewally they could in ad&d and gishes were typically the strongest characters at high levels

>>725253485
Isn't the most infamous munchkin build an effectively infinitely self-buffing wizard?

>>725253414 (OP)
thanks doc

>>725253414 (OP)
Let me ask you something: do you think magic being able to do literally anything and thus invalidating other character options is interesting or fair?

>>725253414 (OP)
I always wondered why witches became associated with green skin. Wizard of Oz? Are they still human or something else?

>>725253606
Are you referring to the muscle wizard?

>>725255408
Either WoO or old folklore, witches do all sorts of weird shit according to people from centuries ago, having green screen would be tame in comparison.

>>725253414 (OP)
In Dragonlance, they go to lengths to explain that using magic is very physically deleterious for the magus.

>claims she didn't use magic to make them bigger

A short while later...

>>725258303
aw and i thought she was a pure good witch

If anyone can learn magic through effort, all of the greatest physical combatants would spend a few months under the greatest augmenters to learn the augmentation spell suite. Any standard mage that tried to augment themselves in combat would get BTFO by the warriors who were equally enhanced and knew the limits of their immaculate forms.
Perhaps you could make an argument for mages augmenting themselves in a world where spellcasting was a rare, innate trait, but that's also unlikely. A simple levitation spell outperforms any amount of strength training. Misty steps and invisibility would carry the juvenile mage safely away from any bullies during childhood. The average mage would be be mundanely frail simply because they never felt any external pressure to be otherwise. The greatest mages, the ones who thought so far ahead as to see the value in self-augmentation for the case of "well, what if my other thousand tricks fail and I'm still caught at swordpoint?" might know the spells, but would they ever use them? How likely is it for someone with that amount of power and foresight to actually end up off-guard and in range of a blade? They would have to make a mountain of uncharacteristic mistakes to reach that point.

Be funny if her boyfriend was a muscular, boisterous, STR barbarian.