Thread 725256340

I will now join your tribe.

>>725256340 (OP)
Funnily enough, she was a backer boss, if you turn on backer credits in the options, there will be "...by XXX YYY" displayed under backer bosses like her, Khann etc.

Based coomer backer.

I can't wait for the dlc bros. any prediction for the first DLC?
>godmaster
no, not that one just yet

>>725256340 (OP)
Why does her corpse look like that? How am I supposed to read it? Is the right bit her inflated head?

>>725258168
My hope is a Pharloom Bay related content desu.

Would you an Antfu?

>>725258267
I also didn't understand it. she looks bloated af

>>725258462
Surely the void in the map East of Bilewater is teasing a future Pharloom Bay DLC, right? Although I don't know how TC is going to consolidate the village of barnacle/hermit crab NPCs from one of the earlier trailers.

>>725258913
>she looks bloated af
Have you never seen an ant queen?

I honestly hope the third game will be Hollow Knight wrecking havoc on the City of Steel.
I even headcanonned that game's Hornet/Lace equivalent to be a waifu Steel princess who is tsundere towards Hollow.

>>725258267
I mean it's obviously her head. She just grew bigger over the years and her "fur" looks very disheveled.

>>725258267
ZAMN! I thought she got obese all over. From this angle it's plain she shrimply suffered a chronic GILFication and requisite mitochondrion post-menopausal collapse.. nothing a few brave plaps from a small but loving human winky won't fix!

>>725258267
It doesn't help that the edit you posted includes the rocks she's lying on as if they're meant to be part of her head. You can see the floppy antennae coming out of it pretty clearly. It looks like she's turned facing away from the viewer.

>>725259486
>rocks she's lying on
Those are her arms. They're clearly furry.

>>725259352
I'm hoping for a sequel where we play as Shakra returning to her home village and finding it under the threat of an imminent crisis, so she has to adventure around her homeland to avert it. Shakra is agile enough to be a HK protag, and she already has an established moveset.

>>725259431
You'd need to give her lots of children though. Her instincts demand that she rebuild the Skarr tribe.
Are you still willing to do it?

>>725259175
I had been looking for knife juggler caravan in Act 3 for hours. There was no needolin dialogue there either, so I hope he makes it to the Bay

>>725259558
She's in a kind of "praying towards Mecca" pose then. Gotcha.

I want to fuck GMS and give Hornet another aunt/uncle.

>>725260058
>She's in a kind of "praying towards Mecca" pose then
no, she just died and fell on her side, on top of her arm

>>725256340 (OP)
>While staggered, the lead vocal in Karmelita's boss theme pauses, implying it is diegetic and sung by Karmelita herself.
Neat.

>>725260161
you're no fun. I'm unsubbing from your lore channel.

>>725260236
Diagetic ludo-narrative dissonance artificial difficulty emergent gameplay fake soul dopamime economy !!!

I'm honestly surprised that Zote never showed up in Silksong.

>>725262576
Lace should've removed her hood at the end to reveal she had been Zote the whole time

>>725262627
lol
I love Lace but honestly, she should've showed up way more frequently. TC could've made her show up briefly during Blasted Wastes or even Shellwood or some shit.
For how important she apparently is, she barely had any character development or screen time.

>>725262735
>TC could've made her show up briefly during Blasted Wastes or even Shellwood
She does show up in there if you skip her Deep Docks fight. But it's basically the same convo, just no boss fight.

>>725262793
I see. In my next playthrough, I think I'll that out, thanks.
But still, I just wish Lace got to do more shit. I hope the next DLC is maybe has some post-Act 3 content where Lace gets to do more things. Or maybe a dream DLC where we explore her memories throughout the kingdom.

>>725262869
Yeah, that'd be neat.

>>725262793
>>725263089
>tumblrtroon art

>Just went through the Red memory

Holy kino

Baby hornet

>>725263582
>deepnest elevator

>watch mosscuck lore video
>immediately gets the most important cutscene in the game wrong

KEKAROOOOOO EVEN VAATI COULDNT FUCK UP THAT BAD

Bros.... where the fuck is the DLC.........

>>725256340 (OP)
You can't though. Hornet genocides every single tribe that actually looks cool and is capable of fighting.

Even when GMS is sentenced to the phantom zone, one would expect these tribes (stilkin, ants, craws) to break free and enable diplomacy, instead they become even more fucked.

All so tranny speedrunners can have more difficult and annoying enemies to fight. The main victim to this fucked up story structure is the game feel and narrative.
You follow the storyline but nothing gets solved, things just get progressively worse and worse for everyone.

Hornet kills any person with any merit or power/authority still remaining. Every person of quality gets murdered by Hornet because lmao we need boss fights in our boss fighty game.

Last part of Silksong was bad. And making sure ants, craws etc will have zero stability or functioning society was too much for me.

Maybe these societies were too patriarchal, martial and tribalistic for TC, idk.

>>725266584
Bro Karmelita was gonna die soon

>>725266584
>Every person of quality gets murdered by Hornet
Two of them were already dead, one was too old to move and the Green Prince is a completely useless faggot

>>725267113
Dockworker captains get murdered, crawfather, the fire cultists get eradicated, Groal and stilkin, all the ants murdered, ant queen, ant patriarch. I'm probably missing a bunch.

Our presence in there is just needlessly destructive, all these interesting cultures get exploited and "mined" for content. After a while you just get tired of wiping out everything cool in the world

>>725266519
It'll be announced at TGA, trust the plan.

>>725267905
You talk like most of those tribes weren't just begging to get killed by someone, Groal and his group of retards literally attacked everyone without discrimination, the Craws "invited" Hornet just to trap her in a room and assault her, there's no option of diplomacy with cultures that can only speak with violence

>>725267905
Based. Hornet is the true villain in the story. The haunting hardly sounds particularly painful in itself, yet Hornet insists on genociding every possessed bug she comes across. She deserves a terrible death.

So the weavers are just mutated pharlids? I was too high to conprehend that cutscene myself when I fought LS

>>725268590
Yeah basically, they were forcefully evolved with Silk, they're pretty much Grand Mother Silk's chosen people and the Citadel was promised to them 3000 years ago

>>725262576
I’m still all in on Zote getting a thing eventually. His backer tier means the devs had SOME idea for him and they probably still would like to revisit it. I think giving Zote a story where he becomes competent would be kino. Have it contrast from Hornet and The Knight where he discovers a kingdom that’s actually well functioning and normal looking while he acts like it needs saving that it clearly doesn’t. Then he accidentally uncovers a mass conspiracy and has to fight it when nobody else believes him

>>725268338
Le "haunting" handwaves everyone, robs every culture of agency. They turn into functions for the game developer. No diplomacy can be attempted because TC said so


You do understand they're deliberately written to be hostile and belligerent? It doesn't change my point.

>>725268467
It's fucked up how she massacres the haunted. Presumably they're fine once GMS is completely out of the picture, unlike the radiance infected bugs who were undead.

>>725268823
Every single fucker with a slightly strong will is able to resist the Haunting, a theater kid can do it because he literally just wants to put on a show, a fucking OLD BUTLER does it because he wants to feed his master, if you actually manage to succumb to the Haunting you're either the weakest bitch ever or you've willingly decided to submit, stop trying to justify inferior tribes

>>725268976
Some bugs are just fucked because silk is in their shells

>>725261432
the cherry on top (kek) would be if she was an OC of a child who was rapidly dying from agent orange exposure

>>725268338
Groal can get fucked, I get why their people are pissed but no, fuck your Viet Cong bullshit, you die you stupid frog

The Craws put you on trial for murder. You came to their home, killed a bunch of them, and stole their rosaries. The Crawfather and his court give you a summons to answer for your crimes. Those guys didn’t really do any wrong.

The Skarr are fucked, only the handful of mottled skarr still remember Karmelita’s song over the haunting and she’s dying.

Khann is already dead, his lands are already dust

Green Prince didn’t have to die, but besides being a mopey bitch his kingdom is already dead and buried in a cave.

Hope for the future is Sherma. A true devout who won’t exploit the tenets of the faith for selfish or hidden ends, but simply because he believes in helping others and the righteousness of the song, and is willing to risk himself fearlessly to realize his vision. I would actually be excited to see a Sherma-let citadel. That man can be my conductor, no problem.

>>725269187
Every bug in Pharloom has some amount of Silk in them, even outsiders get Silked the moment they enter the region, I know that a good number of the bugs in the Citadel are pretty much infused with Silk but most of them were rich assholes who wanted special powers / immortality / all that stuff

>>725269512
>The Craws
>You came to their home, killed a bunch of them, and stole their rosaries.
I've entered a PUBLIC PLACE and they randomly decided to attack me, everything that happens to them is their own choice.

>>725269631
You unlock the door on the building and go way inside (to open the air balloon structure outside) and it’s only after doing that that you get the summons.

>>725268976
Very convenient writing. We're meant to feel nothing while slaughtering every single person of merit. As I've said.

Its convenient and lazy. Hollow Knignt at least had the troupe, the Mantis tribe etc
That's something. Silksong has nothing.

>>725269793
Both games justify the density of entities to kill via some handwavey magic that says most living things are being mind-controlled to kill you. It’s a necessary part of the video game being a video game that wherever you go, there are things trying to kill you and bosses you need to fight.

>>725269738
At that point they've already shown me their hostility, if they wanted to they could've just left their chamber the moment Hornet enters their home to talk to her but it seems pretty clear they're just a bunch of hypocrites that go around attacking random bugs just to then throw a tantrum the moment someone fights back

>>725269891
>go to Italy
>someone tries to mug me on a train
>therefore I’m justified shooting up their whole parliament

Not really, anon.

>>725262793
Why is Hornet becoming a higher being considered a bad ending?

>>725269793
Not every tribe you fight is Haunted, like I've said an old butler and a kid can resist the Silk, I'm pretty sure the various warrior tribes are just attacking you because they're assholes

>>725269983
Because it changes nothing. She just replaces grandma and loses her "humanity" for lack of a better term in the process. Hornet even talks about it as a "i can't think of a better option and its this or return to being animals" deal if you haven't unlocked other endings. She doesn't want it. That alone should tell you its bad.

>>725269976
Mind you, the Craws OUTSIDE the home still attack you on sight without any warning
>go to Italy
>someone tries to mug me on a train
>he takes out a knife, I kill him in self defense
>exit train
>two other people try to stab me
>kill them in self defense
>reach City Hall
>guards see me
>without saying a word they start shooting at me
>kill guards to survive
>the parliament suddenly emails me and says they will kill me
At that point I think I'm justified in thinking Italians are just murder hobos

>>725269989
There are notes that the very mountain is suffused in silk like ore veins. Children were actually being born with silk in their shells. Its like a fungus or something. Its too late to get rid of it so its just going to spread and consume everything that isn't killed by the citadels exhaust engines. You gotta remember your examples are an extreme minority and not enough to sustain a civilisation. Hell they can barely keep two villages alive.

>>725256340 (OP)
>Almost finished Silksong
>Karmelita left to fight
>Red Memory
>4th Sprintmaster race
>Seth's high scores
>Some journal entries to clear up
>Liquid Lacquer delivery
I've got 99 hours so far, been playing since release night. This game is HUGE.

Is the last delivery hard?

>>725270257
Forgot to say, I've intentionally left Karmelita last, been putting it off. I've been hearing nothing but months of praise and people talking her up, is she really THAT good?

>>725270232
>the very mountain is suffused in silk like ore veins
Kek bullshit. Sauce or suicide NOW.

>>725270232
I'm sorry but even if my examples are just a small minority I can still think resisting the Silk might not actually take that big of an effort, most of the people born in Pharloom who are able to resist the Silk are literally nothing special, they're not warriors, they're not even explorers, they're just normal workers and yet they're still able to keep their sanity.
Mind you, I actually think GMS is stronger than (standard) Radiance, but her "virus" is complete dogshit

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Zero thoughts

Resident poster

>>725270324
Yeah she's pretty fun, she's just a straight up duel without any other gimmick

>>725270378
I think its like Dark Souls hollowing. As long as you have a sense of purpose the haunting can't take you over because you have something to focus on. Heroic warrior or Shitheel merchant it doesn't matter. Its just about having something to drive you.

>>725270193
Haunting, anon. You blaming the Italian parliament for the zombies running in their streets? Zombies don’t count

WAWAWAWAWAWA

>>725270547
>kill zombies
>Goverment sends me a letter saying they will fucking kill me
How's that any better?

>>725270598
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

>>725270598
Why did Team Cherry design so many pokemon this time around

And they all have 2 evolutions too

What option do you want for HK3?
>New Character
>Zoat
>The Hollow Knight
>Lace
>Hornet, The Knight and maybe Lace and you can swap characters at benches.

>>725270127
>grandma
It's grand mother, not grandmother, so use 'mommy' instead if you want to be casual
anyway, yeah it's implied that Hornet's instinct to dominate will take over and she will lose herself if she does the thing
though, who knows, maybe Lace would like that

>>725270615
They’re not after you for the zombies, they’re after you for the bugs inside the craw fortress on moor lake.

>>725270765
You know, I never noticed that until now. They even have 3 stage evolutions.

Wtf I just raced an insect rabbit. Damn, Team Cherry.

I require more Trobbio content for expansions

>>725270838
>tumblr_

>>725270127
But why?
Pale king and white lady seemed to have their "humanity" in tact.
As matter of fact, all of the higher beings shown in Hollow Knight were pretty decent fellows (other than Radiance), obviously.

>>725270804
Lace or Second Sentinel seems like the most reasonable and plausible choices
Second Sentinel would basically be Haiku the Robot but with an actual budget, could be pretty interesting
Lace would be parry slop with anime attacks like Nine Sols, which is fun too

>>725270378
GMS isn’t directly hitting them. The problem is the air and water are contaminated with silk from ages of the Citadel’s industry and the cremation of dead bugs that were full of silk. If bugs get a high enough dose of silk exposure, GMS is able to haunt them when she chooses by resonating that silk. The Black Death was one of the most virulent diseases in human history but it didn’t infect EVERYONE, that isn’t how infection works.

>>725270890
Those bugs saw me and instead of screaming "I'M NOT A ZOMBIE" they just started blasting without me even looking at them

>>725270838
>so use 'mommy' instead if you want to be casual
I call her Silk Mum bc she's Australian.

>>725270804
If it's a new character I feel like we'll see it in one of the DLCs

>>725271013
They were born that way. Hornet is half beast by blood and nature. Violence is all she has ever known. That makes a good action platforming character but not so much the person to foist demi godhood on. There was a good reason the hollow knight was meant to be an empty vessel. Pale beings are alien and normal bug emotions and personalities clash with them.

CITY OF STEEL DLC DOKO

So the Hollow Knight -the boss not the little guy- is free and alive as of Silksong right?

>>725271068
They can’t communicate with you. Jesus christ anon this is the whole bit, I’m sorry it didn’t land with you.

>Player is meant to view craws as mindless pest bugs, help build a scarecraw to keep them away. They infest buildings like roaches or mites, they have no NPC characters, they’re shell shard enemies.
>some of them drop rosaries but birds gather shiny things ha ha that’s funny look the nests have like 2 rosaries a piece.
>find abandoned building overrun with craws, clean them out, move on with the game progression
>ages later, get a strange summons in a language you don’t comprehend
>revealed to the player that the building was not overrun with craws, it BELONGS to the craws, they have a whole ass civilization that you just didn’t understand because you couldn’t communicate with them
>they’re putting you on trial for murdering a bunch of craws that you saw as a pest infestation
>the scarecraw wasn’t a scarecrow, it was anti-homeless architecture

The game was trying to Shade Lord you. It doesn’t work if you, as a player, don’t jump to the conclusion that craws are mindless rather than haunted pilgrims.

>>725271163
she is half weaver half wrym. Beast is just a nickname for her mommy.
And I dunno, Hornet seems to be a quiet decent person to me, other than constantly trying to kill her siblings

>>725271013
>>725271163
I also wish to add that "Pale Beings" seem to be a different category of Higher Beings that feel the need to dominate others, the Wyrm wanted to be a King and rule over everyone, the White Lady wants to fill the world with her children and Silk wants control over the bugs she considers her children (and later the Citadel as a whole)

>>725270838
So true AGPsis!

>>725271295
She self describes herself as violent. The term "Hunter" in the setting seems to describe the sort of "guy whos lived INNAWOODS for so long he kind of can't really gel with modern society anymore" kind of volunteer outcasts. Without the hunt they lack purpose.

>>725271270
Team Cherry pussied out and don't want to confirm it either way because "um, all endings are canon". We will likely never see him again because TC is too afraid of stepping on anyone's headcanon.

Though, by all accounts, Silksong seems to follow the Dream No More ending, the one where both the HK and Ghost die and go back to being void creatures. Otherwise, there is no reason for Ghost to care about Hornet and save her at the end of Silksong. This is him repaying the debt he owes her for helping him beat Radiance.

>>725271360
>liking girls is AGP
just come out of the closet already lmao, you're the single most closeted anon I've seen in these threads

>>725270257
lacquer delivery is hella annoying and you don't even get anything interesting for it
silksoar lets you skip a lot of it at least

>>725270257
If you’re saying you haven’t done the red memory yet, you’re also leaving the final boss off that list.

>>725271447
>flashes the "God of gods" form which is only accessible by conquering PoH
lol they arent pussying out of stepping on your headcanon, that's your cope. The Embrace the void ending is canon, the everbloom directly refers to the delicate flower ending variant too

>>725270804
I want a new character, one that did not exist during the kick starter.

>>725271607
Hornet does also say she has seen a kingdom overrun with void before, which also only happens in the godseeker endings.

Which is kind of gay and lame, actually, because why is the canon ending not one of the ones that happens when you complete the fucking game, it’s one that happens when you complete optional side content?

>>725271607
Embrace the Void doesn't make sense for Silksong because it doesn't involve Hornet, hence no reason for the Knight to look out for her or give a single fuck at all.
The flash is just a "wink wink nudge nudge" tier easter egg, he is clearly not focused, which he would've been after ETV.

>>725271523
You don’t get anything interesting for most of the postgame stuff, “completed materium” is about as meaningful a “reward” as getting another fucking memento.

>>725271371
pale king was a beloved monarch. He was revered and held by his subjects in high esteem. He didn't subjugate, peoples joined him willingly (like the moth tribe, who abadonned Radiance). Peoples who didn't want to join him were left alone (like the mantis tribe or the weavers).
Meanwhile, white lady shows no intention to dominate others. She doesn't really do much other than being pale kings wife.
Hornet is full of shit. A rebellious teen mad at her parents (well, substitute parent in case of white lady).

>>725271686
Nothing gay and lame about the knight breaking out of his programming, finding a better way to do things and becoming a fucking god in the process of destroying radiance for good. Plus, this also leaves THK (the big guy) alive for future dlc or whatever

>>725271523
I did the Songclave and Fleatopia deliveries last night. I was dreading both, but I did them on the first try. WAY easier than the blow-up bacon delivery.
>>725271583
Well yeah but that's obvious.

>>725271686
You're confusing her line where she says she's already seen a kingdom afflicted with a mind controlling virus, she only says she "knows the void and what it is capable of", which I'd say it's pretty normal since she used to live next to the Abyss for some years

>>725270257
Are Seth's high scores required for 100%? I don't wanna. Liquid Lacquer, if I remember correctly, gives you 3 hits before it breaks, so maybe kill everything on the route in advance, especially if you're already in act 3.

>>725271774
was meant as a reply to >>725271358

>>725271737
>The flash is just a "wink wink nudge nudge" tier easter egg
The everbloom sidequest proves its not. And Hornet is the reason the knight got the kings brand in the first place (and she saved him from the collapsing husk)
Again, this is you coping. It's not a reference, it happened

>>725271812
>Are Seth's high scores required for 100%?
No thankfully, just a momento.

>>725271774
The moths didn't willingly join out of nowhere, he went out of his way to give them sentience outside of the Radiance's influence which sparked the war between the Pale Court and the Radiance and her followers

>>725271737
>That doesnt count! It's just an easter egg! It doesnt make any sense!
Do filtered shitters really

>>725271914
>which sparked the war between the Pale Court and the Radiance and her followers
You're making shit up
The moth seer told us that his people forgot radiance and joined pale king of their own free will

>>725271295
weaver are not pale beings, they're simply elevated by one. so she's half pale being, half ascended regular spider

>>725271812
Only things that count toward 100% are things related to Hornet’s upgrades (finding all tools, skills, silk hearts, crests, lockets, masks and spool fragments). Seth’s scores don’t count, they give you a memento though

>kill everything first
The issue with Liquid Lacquer, in my experience, is the flying enemies you use to climb Mt. Fay. They respawn fast, obviously. And in Act 3 there’s a random chance for them to be voided. Which means out of nowhere they can decide to spit black jizz at you for 2/3 pips on your lacquer. That plus silksoar ceiling bonks taking a pip makes it a very finicky run, even IF you clear all the pilgrims en route first (by the way, the route takes you past several void masses as well, at LEAST deal with those first)

>>725271812
There are no enemies on the mountain, just don't fuck up and fall into ice water. I did it 1st try

>>725271870
What about the everbloom?

>>725271941
The Shade Lord is not focused in Silksong's ending, it's just a flash, a what if scenario basically

>>725265524
i started cooming when the white palace theme kicked in

>>725271958
They literally built a statue to never forget her

>Kill the 3 dreamers and gain access to the black egg, then kill the Radiance
>Or find another way into the dream realm through the Godseekers, attune the Radiance and kill her
>Everybody lives
>Hornet's mother doesn't die
>Monomon survives, maybe Quirrel too
>and that lurien guy i guess
Always liked the true ending. Really good "take a third option".

>>725271509
>posting tumblrtroon art
You're not fooling anyone sis.

>>725266584
>Last part of Silksong was bad. And making sure ants, craws etc will have zero stability or functioning society was too much for me.

Did you play the game? craws were already extinct at this point, nyleth is dead, karmelita is dying. the idea is that you're using the last dying breaths of these kingdoms that existed before pharloom united to save it and create a path forward

>>725272007
>not focused in Silksong's ending
Except it's what saved hornet from the void tentacles, those are its claw slashes.

>>725272031
Except don’t you have to kill every boss in order to make it accessible in the Pantheons anyway? This is the issue with the Godseeker ending, it isn’t even possible unless you’ve already done the other endings because you have to beat these bosses the “normal way” BEFORE you can godtune them.

>>725272031
It's impossible to get Embrace the Void without killing literally every boss in the game (the pantheons won't unlock otherwise), so no that's your headcanon.

>>725272005
You can cancel out of Silksoar by using Clawline. Should let you travel up without bonking Hornet's head.

>>725272140
>don’t you have to kill every boss in order to make it accessible in the Pantheons anyway
Nope, you encounter pure vessel and Abs Radiance in the pantheons. You dont have to fight THK, Radiance or even NKG to finish PoH

The Knight is not focussed in the Sister of the Void ending, it only shows the Lord of Shades because they're in the Abyss where their power it at their peak and even then the Lord of Shades only appears in flashes

>>725269512
>The Craws put you on trial for murder. You came to their home, killed a bunch of them, and stole their rosaries. The Crawfather and his court give you a summons to answer for your crimes. Those guys didn’t really do any wrong.
I think they actually put you on trial for VOIDING pharloom, since that's when the summons shows up

>>725272243
When I saw it I immediately thought it was just a reference but I knew people online would be annoying af and go O M G GODHOME IS CANON YES YES YES

It's like Soul of Cinder going plin plin plon and pulling Gwyn's wombo combo. Is it literally Gwyn? Ofc not

>>725272261
You think the Snigger Shamans also received the summon and just decided to not attend?

>>725272217
Huh. That's interesting, actually.

>>725272209
You can also just jump out of it, but if you're silk soaring up Mt. Fay you're doing it blind for the most part so you have to kind of learn the timings and be quick about it. Which I guess is the price you pay for trying to cheese it but honestly fuck those little ice crystal bugs.

>>725272408
They run off and hide right away, the craws only find out about Hornet once she tells people

>Realize that if you just mash attack while parrying, Hornet will auto-parry every attack in the flurry
OH
>Realize that since the enemy walks forward while attacking and Hornet's stuck while parrying, you take unavoidable contact damage
oh

>>725272404
Yeah yeah you tried this cope earlier already and got btfo, stop samefagging

>>725272408
that's why they're all hiding in the snail room, of course

>"Godhome ending is canon"
This would imply either Hornet killed the Hollow Knight or he just stared silently while she was getting carried away by the Citadel bugs

>>725272639
Or he fucked off somewhere because remaining in Hallownest didn't seem like a fun time to him after his imprisonment

>>725272639
There's like a million other possibilities

>>725272712
His entire life was Hallownest, I doubt he would've willingly fucked off somewhere, Hallownest is all he knows

>>725258267
>>725259486
These people are the kind of people who can't turn the apple in their heads.

Grimm troupe 2.0 fucking when
I want to see the grimmchild again

>>725272810
Grimmteen

>>725272564
You're mistiming your parries, don't just mash the button lol
When First Sinner does her lunge combo you can parry every hit and she will literally phase through you without dealing any damage, because when you time a parry correctly you get full i-frames

>>725272639
why would the holllow knight care about hornet?

>>725272859
Why would he care for his dogshit of a father but here we are

QUICK! POST YOUR TOP 3 MOST FUN BOSSES and why

>>725272898
Because his daddy raised him?
Hornet was just a bastard child from daddys side bitch

>>725273110
First Sinner (no explanation needed everyone thinks she's fun)
Karmelita (red Pure Vessel)
Trobbio (Grimm's understudy)

>>725273124
The Pale King didn't raise the Hollow Knight, the buzzsaws did

>>725273234
the buzzsaws are more of a metaphor, they didn't literally exist

>>725273253
You got that on Reddit

>>725273110
Phantom
First sinner
Karmelita

>>725273110
Karmalita- The hardest fight in the game and isnt cheap. Every hit against her feels earned. Great music

Clockwork Dancers - Cool fighting two boss enemies at once that are in sync with each other. and have a rhythm. I loved mantis lords from HK so for similar reasons.

First Sinner - Widow on crack, it felt like I needed to play as fast as possible to get hits in on her especially with reaper crest

>>725273350
I think it's more reddit to act like the king was obsessed with buzzsaws just because they needed an obstacle in the dream

>>725273452
You quite literally got your headcanon from Reddit, a normal person would assume they're just there to test the Hollow Knight's skills

>>725273350
I don't know where, but I read somewhere that the path of pain represents the upbringing of the hollow knight, what he had to go through, so we can symphathise with him

>>725271737
Did you even play Godmaster retard?

>>725272564
You just need to mash attack AND turn around when enemy touches you, then you can avoid all damage 90% of the times

>>725273110
>Father of flame
fun platformer boss
>Nyleth
fun platformer boss
>Forebrothers
a well designed duo fight and they're not too hectic. double choir chapper could be there too

Thoughts on leddit's community-voted dificulty ranking? I'm finishing Act 2 but I disagree with most of the A tier.

when will the snails pay for their crimes

>>725273867
I don't get how people put Seth so high. He was a three try at most. Are people just memeing?

>>725273867
>Sinner A
yes, it's a r*ddit's list. Sinner was too damn easy even without clawline

>>725273867
First Sinner is fun but not very difficult, she and Last Judge are B at worst
Grand Mother Silk does not belong anywhere above D

>>725274000
>clawline
Didn't even think of that, I just brought flea brew. Still, saved it for phase 2 and ended up not using most of it.

>>725273867
I swear to God I don't understand how people find Karmelita hard, yeah I died to her a couple of times but she's not harder than Lost Lace, fuck she's not even harder than First Sinner or Tormented Trobbio

>>725274097
I had less trouble with Sinner than with GMS. Legit one of the few bosses I killed on 3 tries.

>>725270765
Pokémon was based on bug collecting after all

>>725273110
Lost Lace (duel + area denial patterns is peak Silksong boss design)
Karmelita (duel + projectiles is a close second)
Cogwork Dancers (just something about the way this fight is presented makes it super cool to me, IDK)

>>725274201
Yea you watched a guide and just parry her attacks instead of jumping we get it loser.

>>725266584
Yes anon, we know Hornet's a pale being. That's what they do when they encounter opposition. She'd kill Lace in a heartbeat too if Lace ever got between her and something she wants.

>>725274382
What the FUCK is a parry

>>725270324
Shes got a ton of health but most definitely the second most fun boss in the game. Most fun boss is First Sinner without a second nail upgrade

>>725270804
The Hollow Knight timing focused fighting enemies half his height but much faster than him.

>>725273986
He either blocks or teleports and then has a phase 2 which is the same moveset but even more hp, just annoying af. It took LilAggy a few tries and he's a great player

>>725273986
No, he actually really fucks with people. No idea how but I've seen a few people melting down over him.

>>725273867
>Sinner and Trobbio that high
>Beastfly that low
Sinner is easy but if you don't Come Back Later versus either Beastfly fight and do them immediately upon getting access, they're among the hardest fights in the game. This reads like a list made by people who gearchecked every boss they could and panicked when the gearchecking failed

>>725270804
I want to play as Grimm
>he has to complete the ritual all by himself
>dead troupe members throughout another dead kingdom to collect flames from
>their flames unlock new abilities like the ground spikes, flame bats and fireballs

>>725273986
Seth is a classic "mom when's it my turn to attack" fight, his shield blocks almost all of your openings and he's programmed to have counters for the remainder. If you don't assblast him with volt spells or tools, especially in phase 2, he's hard as fuck

>>725272026
but there were no buzzsaws in that section anon

>>725274730
I did come back later for Beastfly, after I hit it over 50 times and didn't kill it.

>>725270804
RE2 with Hornet A and Lace B

>>725274818
Lmao, you didn't beat him, what a shitter

>>725274818
Not really, you just have to learn to stand still and only move to dodge his attacks, at my third try I realized that I was taking more damage from running into him than from his actual attacks

>>725270804
Anything but Lame.

>>725274818
It's been a while since I beat the game, but I'm pretty sure he's a "you have to punish his recovery frames" fight. You always hit him after he does something, you don't just run up and mash.

>>725274924
RE4 with Lace main character and Separate Wormways DLC for Zote

>>725270804
>>725271046
I can't imagine playing as a character as tall as Hollow Knight or Second Sentinel.

>>725273867
>Karmelita
>Hard
How? She's absurdly easy and I was so disappointed for beating her on my first try since the battle was kino

>>725271285
wow you sure have put a lot of thought in all that, time to start your game design / lore / video essay youtube channel
because i am reasonably sure no person will ever notice that, much less care about all the inter-tribe politics that you can infer after jumping through enough hoops

>>725271447
>Otherwise, there is no reason for Ghost to care about Hornet
He cares.
>>725271737
>Embrace the Void doesn't make sense for Silksong because it doesn't involve Hornet
It does.
You would have known this if you actually played the dlc that leads to the ending. Instead you choose to be a retarded shitter desperately denying its canonicity because you're still assblasted about getting filtered by the pantheons.

>>725258267
She's an ant queen her only job is to pump new ants

>>725258267
Queens are nothing but breeding factories, they are huge and produce many, many female ants,in fact, most ants are sterile females, only the drones are males in ant colonies, they breed the queen and then die, most ants you see carrying stuff back to their ant hill, all female

>>725276372
>tfw I realize I've been burning women alive since I was a kid

>>725271285
All of Silksong is the vidya equivalent of those anti-homeless park benches covered in spikes, both metaphorically in the sense that the game hates you and is trying at all times to make you fuck off and quit by designing everything about it to be a nonstop sequence of troll moments, and literally in the sense that Pharloom is covered in spikepits underneath pedestrian walkways that serve no in-universe purpose besides killing its own citizenry for teh lulz

>>725273110
karmelita (FUN)
lace 2 (FUN)
cogwork dancers (thematically kicks ass)

>>725269869
Silksong says literally everyone is infected with the haunting. Mantis tribe is unaffected by infection. Pharloom is also depicted as a still-living land, while Hallownest is already dead since ages.

Yet in Pharloom I'm supposed to be okay with eradicating all the tribes that are opposed to the citadel, based on some flimsy excuse (yeah the haunting has destroyed everyone and everything, but they still do their jobs etc).

The haunting is the weakest narrative device in silksong. Much weaker than radiance infection

>>725270838
>muh pale blood will take over its guaranteed dude
Codifying HK1s power struggles of different individuals into a rigid lore (these bugs are always like THIS, these things are always like SO) is so fucking reddit and the most boring form of autism.

Its for midwits who read wikis all day

They didn't use to be this retarded before, TC got stupid?

>>725277693
>rigid lore
Not really

White Lady is a pale being and all she has is an insane need to breed
Wyrms are ALWAYS like that tho, mister mushroom outright confirmed it in the first game

>>725270324
very fun fight and great music

>>725256340 (OP)
I beat First Sinner recently, she was a bit of a hastle but I beat her in 6-7 tries. I mostly just stayed in the corner for most of the fight

>>725259892
What do mean "act 3"??? He is fucking dead in act 3

>>725279363
You don't actually see their bodies in act 3, so they could've bugged out and abandoned the tool pouch. They kept the rosaries though.

Finally killed Groal, hunter crest with no tool use and (almost) no swimming. What a gay fight it was.

Im feeling the fucking silksong withdrawal

>>725280159
Do a beast crest playthrough, it's like a whole new game. And as of the latest patch the fury slashes now go through blocks and parries.

>>725265923
His videos would be infinitely more bearable if he didn't include unfunny non-sequiturs and quips every 2 minutes to placate his audience of retarded drooling Redditors.

>>725271774
TC just codified rules for every different tribe and tier of person, like they are writers for Wookieepedia or something
"Guys from the Death mask planet wear a Death Mask and revere the dead, guys from the criminal planet take drugs and act criminally" (these aliens were seen in one split second in episode 4, and therefore that's all they're ever gonna be).
>>725278139
Its really not confirmed about anything.
Pale King was a certain way, and now everything in the first game is being codified,'including bespoke "rules" for Pale Beings that doesn't even fit with the first game's plot

The desire to manufacture a hierarchy and forced structure to every single thing is the most despisable attribute of the autist. I simply cannot stand it

>>725281659
>...Wyrms pull bugs into their thrall,
>Till ages pass and kingdoms fall,

>>725281659
>Seething this hard about what Hornet said to Green Prince in Lost verdania
You really should go touch grass, it's almost like you're taking TC disagreeing with your headcanon as a personal slight

>>725259175
>barnacle/hermit crab NPCs from one of the earlier trailers.
they do apparently exist, you can find a dead one strung up in the memorium

>>725265923
>immediately gets the most important cutscene in the game wrong
which one?

>>725282661
red memory, the white lady part

>>725282274
>
That's your headcanon about what my post is about.
If you get emotionally engaged this easily, from that caliber of critique you're basically not even a real fan. You can't handle the most lukewarm criticism without inventing fantasy scenarios in your head

Do we know for sure who was commanding the Citadel "army" to go out and hunt anyone with Weaver blood in them to bring them back to the Citadel? Was it an order from GMS herself, the Weavers (before they left obviously) or the Citadel high command?

>>725265923
and now retards will believe it wholesale

>>725265923
you can tell it was rushed

>>725283060
Unless I'm retarded and got it completely wrong, it was GMS puppeteering them through the haunting.

>>725282836
>NO YOU MAD!!!
lol ok buddy

>>725282741
This is the problem with lorefags, they'll obsess over minutiae background details only to completely misunderstand the most explicit in your face storytelling.

>>725283060
>>725283369
Seen enough arguments for both being possible and nothing definite for either, personally I think it's the Conductors as they seem more likely to use written commands and they refer to the soldiers they sent as their Citadel names, maybe they realise the song is failing and they want actual Weavers back to fix it but it could just as easily be Silk working through them to get her children back for whatever reason

>>725283696
>they want actual Weavers back to fix it
Maybe they were capturing them in an attempt to appease the half awake deity ?

>>725271295
The weavers are beasts. They instinctively seek domination and predation. Hornet is a good girl and raised well, but even she can feel it in her bones. I mean look at her crest. "Hunter", that's the shape of her soul.

>>725284841
Maybe, I mean it could be anything, I'm sure the next DLC will drop some vague lines of dialogue that change everything

>>725283548
You can just invent narratives wholesale to defend your precious game series. What do you care what is even in my posts? Just retreat to your happy place.

Replace whatever I've written with a screed that just fits whatever bad guy you have in your head rent free at the moment. Ugly person.

>>725283696
Conductors wouldn't send all those soldiers to fight and capture weavers. They'd make overtures to woo them back.

Making a dozen + expeditions to capture or kill weavers is extremely expensive stuff. The main characterization of conductors is "greedy". Ergo it wasn't them what did it

Its likely GMS trying to genocide weavers

>>725273867
>The only two bosses I haven't done are the hardest

>>725285276
Wait, what if the leaders were powerless by that point, and the soldiers were taking orders directly from GMS ?

>>725285276
Well they fitted those soldiers for something, presumably beyond just guarding the Citadel, they're also being sent against Bilewater although maybe that's also at Silk's orders for whatever reason, whyever they're being captured I don't think it's to kill them, the cage in the Cradle says one was put into service, whatever that entails, maybe forced to sing or produce silk for them?

>>725285276
>Its likely GMS trying to genocide weavers
Extremely unlikely. All the orders involve capturing not killing. If she wanted them dead the orders would just say "kill on sight". I always pictured it as GMS wanting her children back.

>>725283696
"lore" is a tertiary matter to different areas and cool setpieces, hopefully hollow knight's fans will understand that faster than fromsoft's
>pharloom was inhabited by different tribes even before the citadel
>citadel was started by GMS since weavers are its "first children"
>dark silken magics researched to prolong the life of common bug
>which is apparently why eventually all the pilgrimage and haunting shit started
>weavers left, GMS is snoozing, so conductors are presumably in charge
>but weavers' name still holds sway in the citadel, and their whole trick was about convincing other bugs to keep GMS snoozing i think?
>so the capture of weaver descendants is whose goal exactly?
>how long did post-weaver pre-haunting citadel last?
try to shove that all into a neat timeline with coherent goals and you'll see how the details really don't add up
cause it's not important, slashing enemies is

>>725286287
>"lore" is a tertiary matter to different areas and cool setpieces
You say that yet they nuked the Coral Gorge for lore reasons.

>>725285165
>gets even madder
what is this mental illness

>>725285165
Anon, you're not a victim. Silksong is successful. /v/ lost yet again.

>>725265923
I haven't watched his video yet. What did he get wrong?

>>725285728
>the cage in the Cradle says one was put into service, whatever that entails, maybe forced to sing or produce silk for them?
Dude, Widow.

>>725288073
Widow is a full blood Weaver who stayed loyal to GMS, not a 1/4 Weaver.

>>725287512
The red memory scene where Hornet talked with the White Lady.

>>725270324
She's the best fight in the series

>>725288669
She has a small head unlike the First Sinner and others, and she's not loyal, she's literally being controlled, what with those pins stuck in her back.

>>725288768
Really? Awesome.

>>725289072
Her mask was ripped off and her silk was bound. The pins don't do anything to control her, just stop her from making her own silk.

>NOOOOO YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOM I CANT BELIEVE YOU CALLED US DAUGHTERS DESPITE ""ONLY"" RAISING US UP FROM NOTHING, WE NEED TO INVENT THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION AND ITS CONSEQUENCES AND CURSE THE SURROUNDING BUGS WITH AN ETERNITY OF WH40K GRIMDARK TO ESCAPE YOU
Total Weaver death

>>725287497
Irrelevant position. Whether silksong is successful or not is not the issue.
>>725287285
Yeah wouldn't you?

>>725285942
All the cages are empty. If they did not accept a half-life, utterly submissive and sealed from all power, like Widow - their fate would've been death.

All the weavers we see have been mummified alive into stone computers

>>725290084
Where does it say the gravestone weavers you bind are serving as computers?

>>725273867
Karmelita is definitely on the easier side if you ignore gauntlet before her. All her moves are well telegraphed have no randomness and easy to avoid damage. What's this stupid meme about her being hard?
Most of the hard bosses on this list are also trivial by themselves and the only "hard" part about them are runbacks like Last Judge or Groal.
GMS being anywhere higher than C is ridiculous.

>>725285608
Could be. Its out of character for conductors to waste that much money and manpower, to hunt down the aristocracy that gave power to them. Makes zero sense for them to do so, when there's no indication that Weavers were upsetting the balance of power in Pharloom by that time

>>725290179
Well, they're semi conscious but bound to one place. Some essence remains, which is what they allow you to harvest.

None of the other weavers sans widow survived, so there's no question GMS wasn't being benevolent towards the last remnants.
A pogrom being enacted as soon as GMS was able seems highly likely, given that this was expected from the weavers themselves, who should know GMS better than anyone.

Ergo, GMS isn't innocent, and weavers had reasons for acting as they did.

>>725290261
The gauntlet is by far the easiest part of her fight. She throws out a ton of attacks at Pure Vessel levels of speed and she only gets more relentless as the fight goes on until there is literally no breathing room between any of her attacks. I wouldnt say she's harder than Lost Lace but she is definitely a top 3-4 hardest boss.

>>725290261
If karm isnt hard who is? easier side means u think half the bossers are easier than her, which is complete stupidity.

>>725290559
You bind the crests the same way, so your argument would logically mean that the wanderer corpse, reaper corpse, and beast corpse are being used the same. Architect being a machine and shaman being a snail shell I can understand them possibly being used as sources of power, but not the rest. They just look like regular graves.

>>725274818
i couldn't use tools or skills due to stick drift and beat seth in like 3 tries, didn't seem hard to me at all

>>725274201
i found karmelita to be much harder than lost lace

>>725268776
This is too kino for the modern video game market

>>725290261
>All her moves are well telegraphed have no randomness and easy to avoid damage.
this is true of every single boss in the game

>>725290919
There's magical power inside them.

Weavers were alive but aren't anymore. The weavers we see are entombed and act as biocomputers, being able to react to Hornet and grant visions of power.

>>725290689
She throws attacks that are incredibly easy to avoid unless you forget you can dash and use clawline. You can just pogo her most of the fight uninterrupted. All her attack patterns also have very little randomness if any. And she doesn't jerk around like a spastic as most of other bosses do. All her movements are fairly predictable once attack starts.
>>725290691
>easier side means u think half the bossers are easier than he
No it doesn't imply that at all. There maybe 1 or 2 hard bosses in game and the rest are rather easy.
Savage Beastfly feels much harder if you fight at at the point you are intended to fight.
Lost Lace is definitely harder.

>Attempt a boss
>Die a bunch of times
>Start to get used to it and learn the fight
>At some point, slip into the zone without realizing
>Start having loads of fun
>Boss dies all of a sudden
This happens way too often. I beat Nyleth last night, and that was the third time I said something like "wait, dead already? That's it?"
No tools, either.

>>725291381
If you remove adds like in Beastfly 2's case or just random projectiles like in Throbbio's case or just random shit covering all screen like in Lost Lace case, then yes. But then it will be a completely different experience. Karmelita doesn't have any of those.

>>725291489
No, the hard part is getting in. She can mix you up in a ton of different ways and even has a couple anti-airs to prevent pogo spam. She is not easier than fucking Beastfly. People just bitch about that boss because it's the ultimate "fat fuck kills you with 2 mask contact damage" fight. Its simply not fun to be killed by those compared to something like Phantom or First Sinner

>>725291648
>struggling on Nyleth
use the fucking clawline

and not just on her, it's useful in basically every fight, it's an instant gap closer and deals damage

>>725291683
some bosses make you do more complicated things to avoid their attacks than others.

>>725291927
Anon, how on earth did you get "struggling on Nyleth" from that post???

>>725291648
For me that was Khann, I was expecting him to go into his "okay now the real battle starts" phase and it just never happened before he died.

>>725270804
Silksong DLC where you play as a grown up Grimmchild that rebelled against the Grimm Troupe as you don't want to be another sacrifice to the Nightmare Heart.

>>725289962
You're not a victim anon.

>>725256841
So act 3 was literally just tacked on backer content. It all makes sense now.

>>725294192
I thought Grimmchild was just Grimm's new body?

Man, I'm on act 3 and all I have to do is get the three hearts and I think I'm done. Or at least I need a break. Exploring was fun, but there's nothing left to explore and the remaining bosses are ass.

>>725297001
The Grimmchild is a vessel for the Nightmare Heart, Grimmchild has to absorb the previous Grimm as part of the ritual but they exist as separate beings.
It's similar enough to the Knight replacing the Hollow Knight as a vessel to contain the Radiance that the White Lady makes note of it.
>Ahh, that creature beside. It would be naive to claim it friend, though you two share a... similarity? It is a distant link, one words would strain to convey.

>>725259352
Lest be real, if HK3 ever exist and is in the city of steel, the hornet/lace equivalent is going to be Sharpe, and if lace is already a asshole, I'm 90% sure Sharpe will be the single biggest piece of shit known to bugkind

>>725288765
Yeah but what did he get wrong?

Reminder.