Thread 725329786

Anyone remember when /v/ was so high and mighty with this bullshit?
I unironically wish I became a video game journalist over falling for the coding meme.

>>725329786 (OP)
More journalists have been replaced by AI than programmers.

>>725329953
If a programmer fucks up there's usually a problem
If a journalist fucks up, it's fine
If your job is one where it's completely fine if you're not doing it wrong, AI is a threat

>>725329953
I wouldn't be a journalist right now though, id take that experience and be a comfy technical writer making 35$ an hour to talk office politics at a cooler.

>>725330054
Yeah, probably. That and it's just so much faster to spit SEO-grabbing bullshit with the machine than a person, all a journo's job was, was to get clicks, and headlines and tags were doing all the lifting on that for years.
It probably just feels like AI has a bigger presence in programming than it does because they fellate it so fucking much, but all the jobs getting AI'd were already getting mass-outsourced to India since it was just boilerplate bullshit that - like you said - doesn't matter if it doesn't really work. If you were competing with Indians for your job you lost about 8 years ago.

>>725329786 (OP)
yeah because that industry is thriving
https://raiderking.com/kotaku-editor-in-chief-departs-as-site-begins-to-focus-on-guide-writing/

Learn to code

>>725330402
Not the point. Where low level experience in writing and editing there is work for you.
With entry level coding experience there is nothing, nothing.
>Just leetcode for 3 years bro for a job that pays worse than copywriter
I'm such an idiot

>>725330665
*consult

>>725330686
>Where low level experience in writing and editing there is work for you.
all of those are getting replaced by indians with chat gpt. no one cared about writing, they just want an associated press tier generic who what where copy

>>725329786 (OP)
>leftist seethe thread No. 632 of the hour

>>725330665
What was the point of all these covid era adult daycare jobs anyways? They clearly didn't generate any money, and after Elon fired most of twitter every company seemed to wake up from their retardation and started canning these people too.

>>725329953
tens of thousands of programmers have been displaced, there were only a few hundred game journalists to begin with.

>>725329953
More programmers have been replaced by Ijeets than journos

>>725330665
>1 hour "coffee" with manager

>>725329786 (OP)
>I unironically wish I became a video game journalist over falling for the coding meme.
The coding meme itself was being pushed by journos as a response to miners losing their jobs, and then repeated back to journalists after layoffs started hitting them.

That it was a stupid line of advice was built into the premise of it from the word go.
"They cry out in pain as they strike you"

I signed up for computer engineering and I am still glad the market is crashing.
It's Metropolis-tier work, that one scene where the workers are repeating the same motions over and over.

Nothing is stopping you from being a game journalist
Just be friends with one or fuck one and they'll get you a job
Then you can spend all day writing about anything but games

>>725332813
just upload some wanky videogame essays to youtube and you're a game journalist, a major reason they all vanished is there's absolutely no barrier to entry.

>learn 2code xd :^)
I got 3 computer software engineer friends who can't get hired in their field and have to work at mechanic shops or grocery stores.

>>725333012
Yeah but then you're not really getting paid to do it and have to cover your own expenses to travel to events and all that with no company name behind it
Random youtubers don't get to extort game companies for positive reviews

>>725333282
Mechanic shop is like a direct upgrade in pay, respect and job satisfaction lol what do you mean "have to".
That's like "having" to be a plumber instead of a data entry clerk when it's infinitely better on every metric, including the amount of shit you have to deal with.

>>725333282
If they were smart they would just code their job and only do a keypress for a day's worth of work

>>725333504
He said the pay is garbage because it depends entirely on the workload and how quickly you can troubleshoot and solve one car. There have been days he said he doesn't get paid because there were no cars for him to work on and he's just on his phone off the clock waiting for one.

>>725333493
They were barely getting paid in the first place, game journalism was a low wage shitty job.

I really hate the capitalist economy. I know I could do a better job at one of these laptop jobs than the people working at them aside from highly educated specialists. But they're never going to let me have one of these jobs because I'm a young white guy, and I don't have any nepotistic connections.

>>725333607
exactly. only npc software engineers (web devs) who get into it for the money are fucked. the smart ones realize with ai we literally spill into almost every other industry. even more once robotics become involved.

>>725334956
>But they're never going to let me have one of these jobs because I'm a young white guy
So tell them you're a spic.
You are realistically only going to talk to HR when they're hiring you anyway.

>>725334956
>I really hate the capitalist economy
Also it's amusing how your framing and the real issue you are having are totally incongruous.
Racial nepotism is not typically conceived of as a feature of a capitalist economy.

>>725329786 (OP)
If you unironically listen to /v/ for employment advice, you weren't going to make it anyway. We routinely have threads about how employment is stupid because it gets in the way of vidya (posting on /v/)

anyone who isn't passionate about coding shouldn't code
anyone who codes and can't find a job should kill themselves because you must be awful at it

>>725335736
>anyone who isn't passionate about coding shouldn't code
That's 95% of the workforce

>>725335771
exactly, that's why anyone who can't get a job should just give up

the only answer is starting your own business.
otherwise you live like a slave

>>725329786 (OP)
Maybe you guys will figure out that other people in the working class aren't the problem

>>725335736
Bingo

>>725335918
Have fun working as a slave for someone else until you retire.

>>725335736
>anyone who isn't passionate about coding shouldn't code
No, this is a really bad mindset to adopt where having a coding job is conceived of as similar to getting a gig as an artist, a racecar driver, a famous musician or whatever.
Coding is boring monkey work, and only tolerable by comparison to something worse or because of a good salary.

Fuck off with your 'you need to be passionate about your job' bullshit. Pay me and enough and I'll do a good job and pretend to like it.

>>725331196
Cash incentives via government initiatives to "diversify" the workplace, they were literally tax write-offs.

>>725336729
>automate
Actually very generous of you to assume they're doing this and not just shipping it to Bangalore or shipping Bangalore here.

>>725336632
the monkeys from india already do the gruntwork, I'm talking about real jobs that aren't categorized by "backend" or "frontend"

What's a good trade?

I hate the rich.

>>725336813
>the monkeys from india already do the gruntwork
And they do a really bad job at it.
Get rid of them.

>>725336810
hahahahahahahaaaaaa
ohh fuck, of all things coding is by far the easiest profession to outsource of all time. I have a feeling the finance field is going to implode in exactly two and a half years
>yeah I like videogames I'll do programming lol
I was there, Anon. Twelve long years ago.

>>725336876
how original. do you buy things off of amazon too?

tech is good but insanely competitive, journalists should be lined up against a wall and executed

>>725336829
Car mechanic maybe.

>>725336937
>tech is good but insanely competitive
Only if you live in a civilized country.

>>725336829
Trades all have the same strategy. Can you pivot into a desk job after a few years? No? Move on to a different one. Otherwise you'll be hammering up plywood at 59 years old

>>725336936
>ohh fuck, of all things coding is by far the easiest profession to outsource of all time
I mean it's really easy for you to pay a salary to some fucking nigger in India to copy paste chatgpt code for you, yeah. Glad you think you're getting a good deal on that lmao.

>>725335331
When you have millions of overpaid people, they spend a lot of money and push up prices for everybody else in a capitalist economy

>>725337142
Anon by 59 you aren't hammering plywood, you have pivoted to master builder and are organising tradies to build houses on lots that you have bought. Pretty much every trade has a pathway that allows you to retire early or find a lazy oversight job.

>>725336829
Depends what you like, electrician can pivot to linesman or instrumentation or many other things. I'd recommend that one if you don't mind small spaces and/or heights. If not, probably boilermaker, plumber or HVAC. The way things are going even >>725337017 is a good trade now because no one wanted to do it for so long that the labour costs are going through the roof, and guess what you are the labour cost.

>>725337142
>Trades all have the same strategy. Can you pivot into a desk job after a few years? No?
This is going to increasingly be all of them- the whole spiel people give you about there 'not being enough people going into the trades :(' is a popular refrain because these days every outfit will just hire people and never fully train them, so you have a handful of real tradesmen supervising workers they have no intention of really teaching that they can keep paying pennies.

Which is why half your construction crew is going to be ESL (at best) spics who will make a million little mistakes on your overpriced condo made out of balsa wood in the suburbs.

>>725335331
>Racial nepotism is not typically conceived of as a feature of a capitalist economy.
lmao what are you talking about retard, the entire idea of capitalism is to centralise wealth and keep them all rich.

>>725329953
LOL

>>725337601
Interesting, what does this have to do with indians scamming business owners and investors to ship their entire extended family for make work jobs though?

>>725329786 (OP)
I remember when Twitter was so cucked you could even utter those words without being banned for "harassment"

>>725329786 (OP)
Journalists are still trash without jobs while coders are skilled without jobs. ChatGPT was way better at spitting out articles longer than it was at coding

>>725337468
Ideally, nobody here should get any jobs that provide a tangible benefit to society. Building infrastructure is perpetuating this sick society. Do you really want to bust your ass and ruin your back so you can help provide the infrastructure to sustain another million jeets? I couldn't live with myself if I did that

People should be getting into jobs that don't provide any benefits for society. Get one of those make believe jobs they give to fat black women. Start working in debt collection, vehicle repossession, Or a litany of all kinds of scam companies. Only then can you have piece of mind knowing that you didn't contribute.

>>725329786 (OP)
Not to mention random people with youtube channels are doing a better job covering video games while liking their hobby

>>725337785
Yes the business owners are being scammed lol, they definitely aren't doing this because it keeps wages lower and drives property higher
Guess what, the business owners pay the wages and own lots of property

>>725329786 (OP)
the learn to code thing was from journalists to blue collar workers like coal miners.

you fucking coal miner (not the type they were referring to)

>>725338016
>the business owners pay the wages and own lots of property
Qanon tier schizo thinking.
No, actually these are just deluded retards in corporate who see on paper that Rajesh graduated from Pooshit university and don't know that his degree isn't worth as much as Brad that graduated at Johns Hopkins but will cost 30 percent more salary.

>>725337989
I already have one of those fake jobs
>Play video games 2 days a week working from home
>Spend 1 day going to meetings and basically showing the managers how useless they are
>Spend 1 day doing all my actual work which has been automated with 15 different powershell commands I got from asking chatgpt
>Spend 1 day either meeting up with other people in the city, having a long lunch or just watching netflix at my desk
Honestly it gets boring and you make way more doing a trade. You can scam those Indians harder than they ever could scam you.
>Saar your cousin clearly didn't wire this house properly and basically it is uninsurable, the bank will revoke their loan.
>Unless you pay me $30000, you can redraw for your mortgage
>Thank you saar
>*head wobble*
Be the change you want to see in the universe

>>725338186
>Qanon tier schizo thinking.
Yes the businesses don't pay the wages or own anything... fucking moron.

>>725338407
>Yes the businesses don't pay the wages
The point is the wages and their share values are all these people are seeing, you stupid nigger.

>>725338463
>The business owner with his 8 side properties that he actually focuses on while the indians do all the work are something he doesn't notice at all
>The thing had has increased faster than any of his other portfolios
yes, surely I am the saddest gorilla that ever got shot in 2016

I'm a programmer and AI is my slave bitch.

Journalists are all losing their jobs for being woke losers that no one likes and AI is just the excuse used for firing them. Because it's somehow less damaging to blame AI than it is to let any fault fall on the far leftist cult orthodoxy.

>>725338343
If you're a contractor in trades you're not really scamming white collar people by overcharging them. Some affluent white collar worker making $100,000 a year isn't actually providing any real value for their labour. If you're a trades contractor your labour is much more valuable than theirs. You're just taking your fair cut out of the free money they're giving out.

>>725338693
I'm curious, what do YOU think the argument I'm making right now is?
Because you haven't actually addressed it even at a surface level.

>>725329786 (OP)
programmers were so smug until they all got replaced by jeet outsourcing kek

>>725338845
>Please recontextualise the argument so I can refeed it to chatgpt because i've utterly derailed it
Fuck off botnet retard

>>725339045
Right, you haven't even actually thought about it for a second. I thought so.

>>725330665
What could a 22 year old possibly consult on? What experience does she have?

>>725339158
Daddy is one of that companies biggest clients. That's what she is consulting on.

>>725339158
Basically all consulting is a scam, and to get into one you have to know somebody (because people also mostly know consulting is a scam so unless you're working for someone who already mapped that shit out you're out of luck).

>>725338928
Anyone in a programming job that's replaceable by an Indian honestly deserves what they get because Indians can only do the most brainless shit while they're told exactly what to do. Nothing on the more "engineering" or architecture side of programming is getting outsourced.

>>725339158
>Be 22
>Graduate with highest marks from excellent university
>Get hired by consulting agency
>Government hires you anytime an executive needs to make a decision
>Write a powerpoint or report with chatgpt
>Firm gets paid 300k for basic report
That is literally it anon
https://fortune.com/2025/10/07/deloitte-ai-australia-government-report-hallucinations-technology-290000-refund/
These firms just hire all the best grads they can for about $120k and often let them sit on the shelf for months doing no work. The firms also hire former executives to generate work for them. Basically kleptocracy at its finest.

>>725339137
>Everyone else doesn't have an inner monologue like me and won't notice when I switch topics
Qanon tier schizo thinking.

>>725339530
>Anyone in a programming job that's replaceable by an Indian honestly deserves what they get because Indians can only do the most brainless shit
The unfortunate thing is employers are surrounded by retarded HR people who don't actually know this!
So please, tell that to them!
All of us already know this.

On my last project I had a pajeet who barely spoke English basically float around the lab day to day doing literally nothing other than trying to look busy presumably he got away with this because their are multiple teams, technicians in that lab and no one really bothers to get in touch with mgmt. He was there before I worked in that lab, he is probably still there now.

>>725339530
kek ive heard this all before

>>725339652
Suzy costs $5/hr. Suzy makes lemonade.
I replace Suzy with Akshit who will work for $1/hr.
Akshit doesn't know how to make lemonade.
What happens to my lemonade business?

>>725340161
You changed the lemonade for bought in mix and changed out water for piss, so exactly what was going to happen in the first place.

>>725340241
Damn I can dumb it down this much and you'll still refuse to make an argument.
Well you can lead a horse to water, etc etc

>>725340161
>Suzy makes the lemonade and it costs $5 to pay her and $1 in ingredients
>Business owner replaces her with Akshit for $1 and spends 30 cents on a chinese packet mix
>Anyone can mix water and packet mix
>Still charges $6 per bottle, going up to $7 next year
>>725340343
Your argument isn't an argument at all. It is a reductive weaseling attempt to paint business owners as the victims of Indians. They are mutually parasitic.

>>725339158
>you should NOT be hiring 22 year old consultants, like my company did. fire them all
Consider yourself consulted

>>725340506
>paint business owners as the victims of Indians. They are mutually parasitic.
Correct, but that's also built into the premise.
The business owner thinks he's getting a deal but he's prioritizing short term profit for long term collapse.
>Anyone can mix water and packet mix
This is where the analogy stops making sense because we're actually talking about skilled labor that a fairly small percentage of the human population is intellectually capable of.
>Still charges $6 per bottle, going up to $7 next year
>ruin your product
>no one buys it any more because Chang realized how stupid your scheme was and didn't fall for Akshit's lies.

>>725340506
Like, you've just admitted that I'm correct, actually.
That this isn't some insidious ploy, that these businesses are actually run by really stupid myopic retards who are easily conned by ethnonarcissistic scammers with the promise of cut costs.

'nefarious centralization of capital' -ACTUALLY THEY'RE LOSING THEIR WHOLE SCAM TO THIS RETARDED ETHNIC SCEME.

>>725336632
Most “coding” jobs aren’t just writing code though. It requires knowledge of the repository, business, engineering, planning and imagination. It’s why Indians and low effort people are terrible at it, because in order to be good you can’t just “write code”. Typically, writing the code is the simplest part of the job.

>>725339858
I noticed a lot of managers are pussys in these companies as well. I have seen so many absolutely garbage, lazy “programmers” stay on for years because the manager thinks it would be more trouble to get rid of them. Me personally, in not expecting my team to be rocket scientists, but I do expect them to do what is assigned to then and be able to explain what they are working on. The hallmark of a stupid coder is they can’t explain anything while looking at their own code.

>>725341092
Simple things can be really time consuming anon.
If I have to write a parsing script that crawls through datasheets over a long time period which have changed format over time and are often not reporting values in the same way- that's SIMPLE to deal with but it's still a time consuming pain in the ass.
>they're having you write a PARSING script? Bro are you retarded?
Everyone has tasks like this quite often!

>>725339158
Just have connections easiest shit in the world.


I feel bad for anyone in any country who doesn't have contact in government agencies especially the corrupt ones. Its free money hell you can even reduce corruption. It's a simple as telling your friend "Hey you asked for a 2M bribe. He wants to settle for 1.2M do me a solid and accept and he'll keep coming back" then you legally get paid 200K and you've reduced the amount of money spent on corruption

>>725341298
You need to write a customizable, reusable file mapper that contains the most frequently seen columns and their data types. Then you can make a front end that is configurable to as many files as you need and offload it to someone to just set up file readers and load the files to be parsed.

I’ve done this for several companies.

>>725341486
>customizable, reusable file mapper
It's not allowed outside the lab.
It's a secured area. I can write VERY SIMILAR code or go through and manually transcribe everything that can be unclassed, but that's just as tedious as rewriting it or just making something task specific.

is "learn a trade" the new "learn to code"?

>>725340726
>>725340892
>Double posting of cope after shit reductive argument gets btfo
I'll indulge you though
>The business owner thinks he's getting a deal but he's prioritizing short term profit for long term collapse.
Wrong the business owner is stratifying their wealth by destroying the labour market
>we're actually talking about skilled labor that a fairly small percentage of the human population is intellectually capable of.
No my fault your analogy is dogshit and can immediately fall apart
>no one buys it any more
>If they had a choice except the barrier for entry to enter the market is now too high because guess what the business owners have stratified their wealth
>Like, you've just admitted that I'm correct, actually.
Just saying 'actually you post just says im right because I say so' is the laziest shit i've ever seen. No wonder your level 1 service desk IT job got replaced by Indians.

>>725329953
This isn't even remotely true because there are so many more programmers than journalists. Percentage wise you might be right though.

>>725341701
>No my fault your analogy is dogshit and can immediately fall apart
You either refused to address or were incapable of understanding my argument unless I made it intelligible to a toddler.
I only have so much patience for this.
>Wrong the business owner is stratifying their wealth by destroying the labour market
Again, qanon tier schizo thinking. Actually they just don't know that Akshit is lying to them. Occam's razor.

>>725341587
I don’t understand why a scalable, reusable solution would “not be allowed”. If we’re just talking about parsing files, and the data between them is at least somewhat similar, it’s very easy to make a reusable function that just takes in modified column parameters to tell the function how to parse your file. I’m assuming you’re dealing with pretty standard data types like strings, ints, floats and dates.

If your job somehow doesn’t allow that, then it sounds like they are making your job more difficult for no good reason. The whole beauty of coding is making more optimal, scalable solutions to these tedious problems. Not writing new code for every permutation.

>>725341587
>It's not allowed outside the lab.
Ahh the classic IT won't let us do IT so we have to hire 40 more people to do a 2 person job. That is normally because your agency's management revolves entirely around risk mitigation. It is what kept them in the job. It is a pretty sound middle management strategy
>Risk mitigate everything to death
>Hire even more people
>Cut those people when budget calls for it
>Basically present as the perfect little bitch manager to board members
Once you learn how middle managers are just pieces of shit on purpose, you realise why you will never get a promotion.

If I had the money to go to school I wouldn't need a job.

>>725341912
>>725341940
>If we’re just talking about parsing files, and the data between them is at least somewhat similar
That's the thing, because software is not allowed to be shared easily between labs despite similar equipment setups, the way tests are written to verify spec, functionality, etc is often not written the same way either.
>If your job somehow doesn’t allow that, then it sounds like they are making your job more difficult for no good reason.
>That is normally because your agency's management revolves entirely around risk mitigation
Yup.
>Once you learn how middle managers are just pieces of shit on purpose, you realise why you will never get a promotion.
YUP.

>>725341803
>My arguments are far too nuanced for anyone to understand
>Even when you do I will just lie and say now you are agreeing with me and I am always right
You were that insufferable kid who never got past the nuh uh stage

>>725342256
If you don't want to be treated like a retard, don't act like one.

>>725342398
Glad to see you concede. Maybe head to /pol/ instead of /v/, there are even more intellectual posers like you to echo chamber off each other.

>>725342652
You're going to keep responding to me because you just want the last word.
Or you'll stop now because I pointed that out and you're embarrassed.

>>725329786 (OP)
For me, it's just that these programmer types are so intensely unlikeable that I laugh my arse off whenever I hear one has been laid-off. Like good, you probably deserve it and you are probably still a fucking virgin.

>>725339158
It's called nepotism anon. Plus she probably sucked a few dicks as well.

i have a cs degree and still havent found a swe job yet. guess my only option left is to teach english in japan

>>725343419
>he doesn't know

>>725343808
>future japs will have jeet english accents
kek
but no, the kids would HATE the jeets
the parents wouldn't trust them

>>725343808
This was the previous admin that wanted to go all in on immigration and was almost immediately replaced by the Abe faction's femhitler.

>>725329786 (OP)
>become vidya journalist
>play shit games and games you have no personal interest in for longer than you want to
>play great games for less time than you'd like
>rush the hell out of long games and not take anything in while pretending you played it for 100 hours
>heavily incentivized to play games on the baby mode so you're not wasting time redoing content when you lose
>constantly get free shit, free DLCs, and free press tickets to events across the globe while pretending not to be influenced by that, while ALSO being forced to rate higher so the publisher/developer doesn't cut you and/or your company off from free shit, ads, early review copies, and events (all this is 10x worse with Nintendo)
>most games you review are effectively pre-pre-pre-alphas because they haven't gotten any bugfixes yet in an era where games aren't finished on release

>>725343419
Blogposting:
>get trained as a computer technician for a couple years
>learn about everything (minus soldering, for some stupid reason) related to computer software/hardware
>graduate
>...just in time for smartphones to absolutely explode and for desktop PCs to go nearly extinct
>all computer jobs evaporate overnight
>only computer jobs left are ones where it's like one guy holding one computer job for 20+ years alone, and """tech support""" like Geek Squad where it's all about upselling and sales while you use Google to solve issues, meaning they prioritize unqualified shitters with a good personality over guys who can fix shit
>this is made worse by the rise in the "my computer's getting slow, time to buy a new one!" mentality, meaning fewer people even get their shit repaired in the first place

>>725343808
>one of the two types of JET hires is called a "CIR"
I laughed.
Also from what I'm reading, I think most of the JET hires are working as assistants rather than sole English teachers, and I don't think there's too many of them.

>>725344434
They're already working on picking people for 2026.

>>725343808
fine ill teach english in korea

>>725342723
>Lazy paradoxical reply
>Doesn't note that he lost the argument
You don't need to keep posting to save face. I already accepted your concession.

>>725344434
>Abe faction's femhitler
Anon they replaced one centrist for another. These people will import the cheap labour and there is no political alternative.

>>725329786 (OP)
Obviously being a game journalist is a comfier job, it's completely corrupt and you don't even have to play games to influence what people buy. They can say whatever they want and nothing ever happens.

>>725330195
>comfy technical writer making 35$ an hour
>its been replaced with AI

>>725343808
>go to japan
>GOOD MORNING SAAR BLOODY BENCHOD I FUCK YOU BLOODY