Thread 725357879

>almost every npc oneshots you on crit
>also their crit chance is like 30%
Why

wear armer

>>725358003
Doesn't do shit bruv

>>725357879 (OP)
I never noticed this must be a skill issue

>>725357879 (OP)
Because regular Gothic 2 was too easy.

depends on NPC
>scrublords with low skill
they will do their gay little running wild swing, easy to block and punish
>slightly competent
no slow telegraphed attack from them, bait them into attacking and back up before pummeling them from side, repeat
>master baiters
these assholes will be faster than you, baiting them into attack won't guarantee success

>>725358061
I'm not OP, but you clearly never played if you never noticed this. I never had this problem on 1, but in 2 it's everywhere.

>>725357879 (OP)
Because G1 was too easy.

>>725357879 (OP)
AND THEY CAME
ALL OF THEM

>>725357879 (OP)
there's no crits in gothic, retard-kun
those are normal hits as opposed to grazes

>>725357879 (OP)

Have you even gotten past the few levels? The game's scaling becomes notoriously easy.

>>725357879 (OP)
Verpiss dich.

>>725357879 (OP)
Funktioniert auf moja maszyna

>>725357879 (OP)
>crit
there are no crits, there are only normal hits or grazes
you can only deal 100% of your damage or 10% of your damage

>>725357879 (OP)
Is that Sen's Fortress?

>>725361714
Yes, gothic notoriously ripped off a lot of its design from dark souls

>>725361840
I knew it.

>>725357879 (OP)
>gothic 1 was pretty easy
>gothic 2 was pretty easy
>devs butthurt from people calling their games easy
>release NOTR to fuck with the levelling system and buff all the enemies in the game so an inbred farmer can hit for +100 damage

>>725357879 (OP)
I would give anything to play Gothic 2 again for the first time...

>>725361963
notr is pretty easy, it's just the fanbase that's literally retarded

>>725362090
It becomes pretty easy, because the devs can't handle player scaling, but it starts off way harder than the other games.

>>725362090
it is easy if you already know the game (played both G1 and vanilla G2)
It is really unfriendly to new players

>>725362210
well don't try to fight alone early on then? there's plenty of npcs in chapter 1 that will do that for you, then diego in the second one

>>725357879 (OP)
the hobo phase is too short in vanilla G1 and G2. I'm not a big fan of not doing any real melee damage without crit, but I do enjoy how it makes you feel like a scrub well into chapter 1 if not beyond.

>>725361963
>And it's still pretty easy

>>725357879 (OP)
Can I wield epic magic in this game? I've been craving some serious wizardry lately.

>>725362497
Yeah but you're gonna have to spec into melee or bows early on if you wanna survive

>>725362497
yeah but you need to rush the main quest becasue early spells are kinda sad

>>725362543
40 strength is enough, you get a two hander and then never level up the combat skill because going from 29 to 30% actually makes it worse

>>725362635
>never level up the combat skill because going from 29 to 30%
Why?

>>725362497
If you want to be a mage you'll spend most of the game summoning skeletons because they're far more effective per mana cost and mana costs of all spells is insane in NOTR.

>>725362497
I really like the quests you get as a mage, and the general feel of being this well respected sage, but I don't particularily like the magic gameplay in that game. Mana does not regenerate on its own, you have to go to sleep or drink a potion/eat some herbs. And you will always be starved for mana. You'll be able to get a couple of casts off at the maximum.
Now, by the end of the game, one spell will be enough to clear a 10 mile radius around you, but still, it takes a long while to get to that point.

>>725362090
Nah if you play blind it's absurdly hard. If you know where everything is, what order to do quests etc. it's easy.

>>725362701
your attacks actually get slower, they fucked something up
under 30% you have forward right combo which is very quick and you can repeat it very quick as well

>>725362635
>strength
Nah. If we're talking base game, then leveling mana is easy enough.
If we're talking NotR, then pumping up DEX to 60 for the master sword or even just 50 for the rapier, is a WAY better investment

>>725362919
>where everything is
what's everything
>what order to do quests
doesn't really matter

>>725362543
>>725362635
Pure mage isn't hard, no need for your peasant shit.

>>725362995
getting even a single point in dexterity as a mage is retarded

>>725363028
only if you exploit the gamebreakers

>>725363132
I never exploited anything. Just play the game like you are supposed to, collecting everything.

>>725363123
>getting a weapon that makes the first 3 or so chapters a breeze for very little investment when your main damage source is limited by mana is retarded

>>725363192
>like you are supposed to
you are supposed to exploit gothic

>>725363123
>getting even a single point in dexterity as a mage is retarded
You are missing out on pickpocket XP if you don't spec into dex.
All builds, no exception should level dex to 34 base. Pure mage, pure melee, doesn't matter.

>>725363362
do you even get that investment back from pickpocket xp?

>>725363362
missing out on less exp than it's needed to even out dumping your lp on dex

>>725363448
I can't tell you exactly how much will you lose out on compared to base 10 dex but at 34 dex all pickpocket checks in the game are worth about 50k xp. It's more than likely it's worth it.

>>725363448
pretty sure you do early/mid game, but by the end game the exp for each level is so high that it becomes a net negative

Dex archer + 1h sword is the only build that does not feel like shit in NotR
Archers are absurdly op there

>>725363695
>about 50k xp
i just counted and it's like 25k at best with 34 dex and two rings

Is Gothic 3 fun? I saw the map and the game world is huge as fuck.

>>725361963
i never understood this difficulty circlejerk. all single player games are easy. only competition with other humans makes games difficult.

>>725364064
it's a steaming pile of shit that shits on its redecessors

>>725363242
You think like this, because you are a bitch.

>>725364064
It's okay if you treat it like an offline mmo experience but as a gothic game it's a total failure.
If you are going to play there are only 2 ways to reasonably build your character, long reach 2 handers in melee or mage. The mage is likely the best way to play. And never play with that alternative balance or AI shit, it just makes the game even worse.

>>725364154
it's more fun that way, nig(german)

>>725364064
no
it is bad
Especially when you reach the desert. Then every location becomes either some ancient shrine full of skeletons or a town with 3 houses and 10 copy-pased bald assassin npc in it
It is so bad and rushed that even one of the water mages that was black in G2 is suddenly white in G3

>>725364027
I referenced excel spreadsheet from guy who hit level 60 in NOTR and that document states exactly 48500 XP which is possible to gain by pickpocketing.
Take that however you will, I still think that 34 dex just makes the most sense because the early game is where you need the most help and by level 40 or so where that dex may become net negative is just irrelevant.

>>725362497
Yeah but you only get the best spells like Wave of Death, Fire Storm or Shrink Monster near the end of the game because you are gated by Circles of Magic, there's 6 of them and you can go the next level by completing story quests and starting the next chapter of the game. Circle 3 has some OP shit like Storm or Ice Block and you can find scrolls version of end game spells which are one-time use items but even non-mages can cast spells with them.

>>725364343
there's 26910 exp to get in the khorinis map if you have 40 dex

>>725364343
there is unlimited exp in NotR no need to be autistic

Skeleton Mages will summon an unlimited amount of Skeleton fighters that you can kill for 300 exp

>>725364064
Yes, it's fun, even though it really is full of pretty generic quests. God-tier OST, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTMH1PXev1s

>>725357879 (OP)
I remember when I played this game 20 and more years ago, I just killed everyone for the exp

>>725366143
>killed everyone
have you completed their quests before that?

>>725364083
post your mushihime futari ultra clear

Just learn their attack patterns.

>>725367542
Boring

>>725367542
I love how you can bait orcs into a charge and sidestep them for a few hits to their back.

>>725368489
I like how you can bait the cave orc to khorinis so the immortal gate guards kill him

>>725368794
>immortal gate guards kill him
Imagine losing exp because you are shit at combat

>>725369757
Just snipe him with a fireball when he's low on HP lol

>>725369757
but enough about pumping dex to use the master sword

>>725370183
That 130 damage is doing absolutely nothing due to how damage formula in NotR works.

Is it with using the wands as a mage?

>>725357879 (OP)
You are not supposed to clear the entire map in the prologue, you know?

>>725364064
>Is Gothic 3 fun? I saw the map and the game world is huge as fuck.
Nah, go and play the Gothic fan game instead. Even with all the fan patches and other shit Gothic 3 is still ass, playable unlike at release, but still ass.

This however is fucking kino.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1467450/The_Chronicles_Of_Myrtana_Archolos/

>>725364064
no it has women that arent slaves and orcs arent kill on sight

>>725373107
or did it have no women at all? i cant remember but there was something about women

>>725373107
>women that arent slaves
the whole 2 of them?

>>725364064
>>725372901
This and also play Risen. It's very much like G1/2.

>>725372565
retards still think the monsters respawn every chapter after over 20 years

>>725372901
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1467450/The_Chronicles_Of_Myrtana_Archolos/
This was way fucking better than it had any right to be. Absolute must play if you're a fan of Gothic 2 and bless the mad lads that made it.

>>725374042
To be fair, there is a reason to clear some places if you're minmaxing, because of monsters killing each other if the groups get too big and overlap.

>>725374269
might as well just lower the render distance

>>725361175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH0WYxJDwms

>>725374404
>not loading entire world at once on your 2025 pc

>>725357879 (OP)
Because you can kill them even at level 1 by just backstepping and hitting them once on repeat until they are defeated.

>>725374404
>>725374571
Render distance and npc spawn radius are 2 separate things.

>>725374187
Funny how a lot of older games are hitting their modding peaks recently

>>725374920
What games?

>>725376280
Morrowind (tamriel rebuilt development sped up, project cyrodiil and skyrim home of the nords are also a thing) and Thief (black parade) are the first two that come to mind. I could have sworn there were a few others too but I can't remember right now.

>>725357879 (OP)
NOTR that's why

>>725361963
>inbred farmer can hit for +100 damage
Skill issue. Just don't get hit lmao.

>>725372901
i hope 2.0 will hit this december for comfy threads

>>725361126
Heh heh... That's a dank meme if I ever saw one.

>>725377465
Bro it's cancelled

>>725377659
it's not but i think there's less than 10 people working on it right now

>>725362712
>mana costs of all spells is insane in NOTR.
I suppose that was to balance out the mana you get from the tablets

>>725377792
cockhead

>>725364064
It's like Risen but worse. Risen is great though. But only Risen 1.

>>725379784
>only Risen 1
i'll never understand this bald cunt's obssession with pirates

>>725360797
Regular Gothic 2 was great you fucking nigger. Gothic 2 vanilla + NOTR should have been the way to go

>>725380284
Germans love pirates

>>725381645
Germans also love scat porn.

>>725357879 (OP)
Welcome to night of the raven bud better start using those scrolls.
But for real, I think crits are pretty neat for the player, since it encourages you to level weapon proficiencies. But NPC crits doing 10x the damage is absurd. Fighting bandits is a no go until like late game unless you're using some sort of underhanded tactic.

>>725364064
I know it's cliche but it's an alright game and a terrible gothic game. It might be better than elder scrolls oblivion but I don't personally agree with that.

>>725382026
>Fighting bandits is a no go until like late game unless you're using some sort of underhanded tactic.
I cleared bandit bridge on level 4. You have to aggro them 1 at a time, it's easier to do when they are coming back to the bridge after chasing you. They are pussies 1v1.

>>725381352
Shut up bitch.

>>725382660
That's gothic for sure, enemies are super predictable.
It's probably why the developers felt the need to make them hit so hard in NOTR

>>725361106
It was a NotR change. I haven't had this issue on a vanilla copy my friend gave me back in like 2006.
I never returned it, I'm sorry.

>>725382660
I just lured them all to Akil's farm lol

>>725382026
>start using those scrolls.
it sucks when fire rain can hit your allies as well
Once I accidentally killed some friendly woodcutter when trying to defeat bandits in Dexter's tower

>>725374571
How? I tried changing shit in the ini like a retard but never got it beyond the max 200 or 300%.

>>725383240
And wasted all that xp.

>>725361126
What? I just played G1 recently and most animals you find out in the wild one or two shot you for most of the game. The retarded decision to make melee weapons only hit what you're targeting (and not work on a proper active hurtbox) means if 2 or more enemies attack you at once, you're pretty fucked.

How to get ahead in NOTR the not meme way
>acquire fireball and rain of fire scrolls
>run to crypt near onar's farm
>blow up everything with magic
>go from level 0 to 7 instantly
There you go your early game hell solved in 30 minutes or so.

>>725372901
I heard that a big update is coming so I'm waiting on that.

>>725376280
>>725376381
Stalker IWP with CotZ quests was my favorite Stalker mod, and SoC Update 2.0 is coming out soon and looks amazing. It's not exactly super recent, but the last update to Arcane Dimensions wasn't too long ago.

>>725383513
If you want vanilla, open console and type zfogzone, it will kill your fps tho. Dx11 renderer is the better option.

>>725361126
on the level of lmao 2cat!11!

>>725384090
Is there a way to make the x11 rendered look like the original?

>>725384765
You can play around with the menu and try to disable all fancy effects. It's not going to look 1:1, but I'd say that performance boost is worth it.

>>725384765
>>725385606
Just use dgvoodoo dude

>>725385606
Doesn't matter because I can't get dx11 to work anyway

>>725386725
I did. I barely get 30 fps. Dgvoodo2 is great for most older games but G2 isn't one of them. Even weirder is the fact that i don't get the same performance issues in G1 even with longer view distance.

>>725387010
> I can't get dx11 to work anyway
Do you get any errors?

>>725387483
No, it just doesn't do anything

>>725383749
>onar's farm
>level 0
How do you even get there at level 0?

>>725387581
Try installing this: https://www.worldofgothic.com/dl/?go=dlfile&fileid=122. I'm pretty sure that all digital releases of the game have systempack pre-installed, if you somehow don''t have it: https://github.com/GothicFixTeam/GothicFix/releases. And if somehow it still doesn't work, you can try automatic install with Union.

>>725387140
Huh, works on my machine. Did you fiddle with any of the settings? I thought I read vsync was fucky on gothic2.

>>725388295
I'm running the workshop version of the game, and I installed union from there. There's two workshop entries for dx11 but neither work, and manually installing it didn't work either. Oh well, I'll live.

>>725388339
>Did you fiddle with any of the settings?
I tried a bunch of things. G2 runs like shit on every pc that I ever owned on dx7 renderer.
>>725388431
I wish I knew how to help you.

>>725383513
dx11 renderer.
Here's a screenshot I made at the beginning of current playthrough. Works like a charm. I think you can also disable the fog, but I didn't.

Is there a way to disable Raven DLC on GOG version?

>>725391704
Gothic 2 classic mod.

>>725357879 (OP)
I wish Gothic 2 would be updated so it would let you play the vanilla game with no NOTR balancing.
Yes I know that mods exists that do this but this would cull the retards complaining about muh game is too hard

>>725391704
Pirate the non-notr version.

>>725357879 (OP)
Because it's a shit game praised only by Russians and Germans

>>725391550
>I think you can also disable the fog
You can >>725384090

>>725392386
Your forgot polacks. The holy trio of nations with a good taste. Everyone else can be safely nuked.

>>725392287
I think you can do it on steam in the betas tab

>>725392852
ah I see so steam has an answer to it.
This is what I get for being a gogcuck

>>725392287
just don't be a little bitch
notr is like baby mode compared to odyssey legendary

>>725392935
To be fair I'm not sure that's what it does, I just saw an option for "gothic classic" or something like that