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Anonymous No.725357879 [Report] >>725358061 >>725360797 >>725361126 >>725361175 >>725361184 >>725361231 >>725361232 >>725361327 >>725361674 >>725361714 >>725361963 >>725362005 >>725362360 >>725362497 >>725366143 >>725372565 >>725374770 >>725376736 >>725382026 >>725392287 >>725392386
>almost every npc oneshots you on crit
>also their crit chance is like 30%
Why
Anonymous No.725358003 [Report] >>725358047
wear armer
Anonymous No.725358047 [Report]
>>725358003
Doesn't do shit bruv
Anonymous No.725358061 [Report] >>725361106
>>725357879 (OP)
I never noticed this must be a skill issue
Anonymous No.725360797 [Report] >>725381352
>>725357879 (OP)
Because regular Gothic 2 was too easy.
Anonymous No.725361087 [Report]
depends on NPC
>scrublords with low skill
they will do their gay little running wild swing, easy to block and punish
>slightly competent
no slow telegraphed attack from them, bait them into attacking and back up before pummeling them from side, repeat
>master baiters
these assholes will be faster than you, baiting them into attack won't guarantee success
Anonymous No.725361106 [Report] >>725383230
>>725358061
I'm not OP, but you clearly never played if you never noticed this. I never had this problem on 1, but in 2 it's everywhere.
Anonymous No.725361126 [Report] >>725377629 >>725383597 >>725384750
>>725357879 (OP)
Because G1 was too easy.
Anonymous No.725361175 [Report] >>725374485
>>725357879 (OP)
AND THEY CAME
ALL OF THEM
Anonymous No.725361184 [Report]
>>725357879 (OP)
there's no crits in gothic, retard-kun
those are normal hits as opposed to grazes
Anonymous No.725361231 [Report]
>>725357879 (OP)

Have you even gotten past the few levels? The game's scaling becomes notoriously easy.
Anonymous No.725361232 [Report]
>>725357879 (OP)
Verpiss dich.
Anonymous No.725361327 [Report]
>>725357879 (OP)
Funktioniert auf moja maszyna
Anonymous No.725361674 [Report]
>>725357879 (OP)
>crit
there are no crits, there are only normal hits or grazes
you can only deal 100% of your damage or 10% of your damage
Anonymous No.725361714 [Report] >>725361840
>>725357879 (OP)
Is that Sen's Fortress?
Anonymous No.725361840 [Report] >>725361935
>>725361714
Yes, gothic notoriously ripped off a lot of its design from dark souls
Anonymous No.725361935 [Report]
>>725361840
I knew it.
Anonymous No.725361963 [Report] >>725362090 >>725362425 >>725364083 >>725377312
>>725357879 (OP)
>gothic 1 was pretty easy
>gothic 2 was pretty easy
>devs butthurt from people calling their games easy
>release NOTR to fuck with the levelling system and buff all the enemies in the game so an inbred farmer can hit for +100 damage
Anonymous No.725362005 [Report]
>>725357879 (OP)
I would give anything to play Gothic 2 again for the first time...
Anonymous No.725362090 [Report] >>725362210 >>725362228 >>725362919
>>725361963
notr is pretty easy, it's just the fanbase that's literally retarded
Anonymous No.725362210 [Report] >>725362348
>>725362090
It becomes pretty easy, because the devs can't handle player scaling, but it starts off way harder than the other games.
Anonymous No.725362228 [Report]
>>725362090
it is easy if you already know the game (played both G1 and vanilla G2)
It is really unfriendly to new players
Anonymous No.725362348 [Report]
>>725362210
well don't try to fight alone early on then? there's plenty of npcs in chapter 1 that will do that for you, then diego in the second one
Anonymous No.725362360 [Report]
>>725357879 (OP)
the hobo phase is too short in vanilla G1 and G2. I'm not a big fan of not doing any real melee damage without crit, but I do enjoy how it makes you feel like a scrub well into chapter 1 if not beyond.
Anonymous No.725362425 [Report]
>>725361963
>And it's still pretty easy
Anonymous No.725362497 [Report] >>725362543 >>725362587 >>725362712 >>725362892 >>725364429
>>725357879 (OP)
Can I wield epic magic in this game? I've been craving some serious wizardry lately.
Anonymous No.725362543 [Report] >>725362635 >>725363028
>>725362497
Yeah but you're gonna have to spec into melee or bows early on if you wanna survive
Anonymous No.725362587 [Report]
>>725362497
yeah but you need to rush the main quest becasue early spells are kinda sad
Anonymous No.725362635 [Report] >>725362701 >>725362995 >>725363028
>>725362543
40 strength is enough, you get a two hander and then never level up the combat skill because going from 29 to 30% actually makes it worse
Anonymous No.725362701 [Report] >>725362929
>>725362635
>never level up the combat skill because going from 29 to 30%
Why?
Anonymous No.725362712 [Report] >>725379395
>>725362497
If you want to be a mage you'll spend most of the game summoning skeletons because they're far more effective per mana cost and mana costs of all spells is insane in NOTR.
Anonymous No.725362892 [Report]
>>725362497
I really like the quests you get as a mage, and the general feel of being this well respected sage, but I don't particularily like the magic gameplay in that game. Mana does not regenerate on its own, you have to go to sleep or drink a potion/eat some herbs. And you will always be starved for mana. You'll be able to get a couple of casts off at the maximum.
Now, by the end of the game, one spell will be enough to clear a 10 mile radius around you, but still, it takes a long while to get to that point.
Anonymous No.725362919 [Report] >>725363017
>>725362090
Nah if you play blind it's absurdly hard. If you know where everything is, what order to do quests etc. it's easy.
Anonymous No.725362929 [Report]
>>725362701
your attacks actually get slower, they fucked something up
under 30% you have forward right combo which is very quick and you can repeat it very quick as well
Anonymous No.725362995 [Report] >>725363123
>>725362635
>strength
Nah. If we're talking base game, then leveling mana is easy enough.
If we're talking NotR, then pumping up DEX to 60 for the master sword or even just 50 for the rapier, is a WAY better investment
Anonymous No.725363017 [Report]
>>725362919
>where everything is
what's everything
>what order to do quests
doesn't really matter
Anonymous No.725363028 [Report] >>725363132
>>725362543
>>725362635
Pure mage isn't hard, no need for your peasant shit.
Anonymous No.725363123 [Report] >>725363240 >>725363362
>>725362995
getting even a single point in dexterity as a mage is retarded
Anonymous No.725363132 [Report] >>725363192
>>725363028
only if you exploit the gamebreakers
Anonymous No.725363192 [Report] >>725363242
>>725363132
I never exploited anything. Just play the game like you are supposed to, collecting everything.
Anonymous No.725363240 [Report]
>>725363123
>getting a weapon that makes the first 3 or so chapters a breeze for very little investment when your main damage source is limited by mana is retarded
Anonymous No.725363242 [Report] >>725364154
>>725363192
>like you are supposed to
you are supposed to exploit gothic
Anonymous No.725363362 [Report] >>725363448 >>725363504
>>725363123
>getting even a single point in dexterity as a mage is retarded
You are missing out on pickpocket XP if you don't spec into dex.
All builds, no exception should level dex to 34 base. Pure mage, pure melee, doesn't matter.
Anonymous No.725363448 [Report] >>725363695 >>725363873
>>725363362
do you even get that investment back from pickpocket xp?
Anonymous No.725363504 [Report]
>>725363362
missing out on less exp than it's needed to even out dumping your lp on dex
Anonymous No.725363695 [Report] >>725364027
>>725363448
I can't tell you exactly how much will you lose out on compared to base 10 dex but at 34 dex all pickpocket checks in the game are worth about 50k xp. It's more than likely it's worth it.
Anonymous No.725363873 [Report]
>>725363448
pretty sure you do early/mid game, but by the end game the exp for each level is so high that it becomes a net negative
Anonymous No.725363976 [Report]
Dex archer + 1h sword is the only build that does not feel like shit in NotR
Archers are absurdly op there
Anonymous No.725364027 [Report] >>725364343
>>725363695
>about 50k xp
i just counted and it's like 25k at best with 34 dex and two rings
Anonymous No.725364064 [Report] >>725364106 >>725364162 >>725364319 >>725364942 >>725372901 >>725373107 >>725373294 >>725379784 >>725382218
Is Gothic 3 fun? I saw the map and the game world is huge as fuck.
Anonymous No.725364083 [Report] >>725367120
>>725361963
i never understood this difficulty circlejerk. all single player games are easy. only competition with other humans makes games difficult.
Anonymous No.725364106 [Report]
>>725364064
it's a steaming pile of shit that shits on its redecessors
Anonymous No.725364154 [Report] >>725364264
>>725363242
You think like this, because you are a bitch.
Anonymous No.725364162 [Report]
>>725364064
It's okay if you treat it like an offline mmo experience but as a gothic game it's a total failure.
If you are going to play there are only 2 ways to reasonably build your character, long reach 2 handers in melee or mage. The mage is likely the best way to play. And never play with that alternative balance or AI shit, it just makes the game even worse.
Anonymous No.725364264 [Report]
>>725364154
it's more fun that way, nig(german)
Anonymous No.725364319 [Report]
>>725364064
no
it is bad
Especially when you reach the desert. Then every location becomes either some ancient shrine full of skeletons or a town with 3 houses and 10 copy-pased bald assassin npc in it
It is so bad and rushed that even one of the water mages that was black in G2 is suddenly white in G3
Anonymous No.725364343 [Report] >>725364537 >>725364585
>>725364027
I referenced excel spreadsheet from guy who hit level 60 in NOTR and that document states exactly 48500 XP which is possible to gain by pickpocketing.
Take that however you will, I still think that 34 dex just makes the most sense because the early game is where you need the most help and by level 40 or so where that dex may become net negative is just irrelevant.
Anonymous No.725364429 [Report]
>>725362497
Yeah but you only get the best spells like Wave of Death, Fire Storm or Shrink Monster near the end of the game because you are gated by Circles of Magic, there's 6 of them and you can go the next level by completing story quests and starting the next chapter of the game. Circle 3 has some OP shit like Storm or Ice Block and you can find scrolls version of end game spells which are one-time use items but even non-mages can cast spells with them.
Anonymous No.725364537 [Report]
>>725364343
there's 26910 exp to get in the khorinis map if you have 40 dex
Anonymous No.725364585 [Report]
>>725364343
there is unlimited exp in NotR no need to be autistic

Skeleton Mages will summon an unlimited amount of Skeleton fighters that you can kill for 300 exp
Anonymous No.725364942 [Report]
>>725364064
Yes, it's fun, even though it really is full of pretty generic quests. God-tier OST, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTMH1PXev1s
Anonymous No.725366143 [Report] >>725366634
>>725357879 (OP)
I remember when I played this game 20 and more years ago, I just killed everyone for the exp
Anonymous No.725366634 [Report]
>>725366143
>killed everyone
have you completed their quests before that?
Anonymous No.725367120 [Report]
>>725364083
post your mushihime futari ultra clear
Anonymous No.725367542 [Report] >>725368260 >>725368489
Just learn their attack patterns.
Anonymous No.725368260 [Report]
>>725367542
Boring
Anonymous No.725368489 [Report] >>725368794
>>725367542
I love how you can bait orcs into a charge and sidestep them for a few hits to their back.
Anonymous No.725368794 [Report] >>725369757
>>725368489
I like how you can bait the cave orc to khorinis so the immortal gate guards kill him
Anonymous No.725369757 [Report] >>725369929 >>725370183
>>725368794
>immortal gate guards kill him
Imagine losing exp because you are shit at combat
Anonymous No.725369929 [Report]
>>725369757
Just snipe him with a fireball when he's low on HP lol
Anonymous No.725370183 [Report] >>725370274
>>725369757
but enough about pumping dex to use the master sword
Anonymous No.725370274 [Report]
>>725370183
That 130 damage is doing absolutely nothing due to how damage formula in NotR works.
Anonymous No.725372146 [Report]
Is it with using the wands as a mage?
Anonymous No.725372565 [Report] >>725374042
>>725357879 (OP)
You are not supposed to clear the entire map in the prologue, you know?
Anonymous No.725372901 [Report] >>725373294 >>725374187 >>725377465 >>725383751
>>725364064
>Is Gothic 3 fun? I saw the map and the game world is huge as fuck.
Nah, go and play the Gothic fan game instead. Even with all the fan patches and other shit Gothic 3 is still ass, playable unlike at release, but still ass.

This however is fucking kino.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1467450/The_Chronicles_Of_Myrtana_Archolos/
Anonymous No.725373107 [Report] >>725373179 >>725373245
>>725364064
no it has women that arent slaves and orcs arent kill on sight
Anonymous No.725373179 [Report]
>>725373107
or did it have no women at all? i cant remember but there was something about women
Anonymous No.725373245 [Report]
>>725373107
>women that arent slaves
the whole 2 of them?
Anonymous No.725373294 [Report]
>>725364064
>>725372901
This and also play Risen. It's very much like G1/2.
Anonymous No.725374042 [Report] >>725374269
>>725372565
retards still think the monsters respawn every chapter after over 20 years
Anonymous No.725374187 [Report] >>725374920
>>725372901
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1467450/The_Chronicles_Of_Myrtana_Archolos/
This was way fucking better than it had any right to be. Absolute must play if you're a fan of Gothic 2 and bless the mad lads that made it.
Anonymous No.725374269 [Report] >>725374404
>>725374042
To be fair, there is a reason to clear some places if you're minmaxing, because of monsters killing each other if the groups get too big and overlap.
Anonymous No.725374404 [Report] >>725374571 >>725374846
>>725374269
might as well just lower the render distance
Anonymous No.725374485 [Report]
>>725361175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH0WYxJDwms
Anonymous No.725374571 [Report] >>725374846 >>725383513
>>725374404
>not loading entire world at once on your 2025 pc
Anonymous No.725374770 [Report]
>>725357879 (OP)
Because you can kill them even at level 1 by just backstepping and hitting them once on repeat until they are defeated.
Anonymous No.725374846 [Report]
>>725374404
>>725374571
Render distance and npc spawn radius are 2 separate things.
Anonymous No.725374920 [Report] >>725376280
>>725374187
Funny how a lot of older games are hitting their modding peaks recently
Anonymous No.725376280 [Report] >>725376381 >>725383867
>>725374920
What games?
Anonymous No.725376381 [Report] >>725383867
>>725376280
Morrowind (tamriel rebuilt development sped up, project cyrodiil and skyrim home of the nords are also a thing) and Thief (black parade) are the first two that come to mind. I could have sworn there were a few others too but I can't remember right now.
Anonymous No.725376736 [Report]
>>725357879 (OP)
NOTR that's why
Anonymous No.725377312 [Report]
>>725361963
>inbred farmer can hit for +100 damage
Skill issue. Just don't get hit lmao.
Anonymous No.725377465 [Report] >>725377659
>>725372901
i hope 2.0 will hit this december for comfy threads
Anonymous No.725377629 [Report]
>>725361126
Heh heh... That's a dank meme if I ever saw one.
Anonymous No.725377659 [Report] >>725377792
>>725377465
Bro it's cancelled
Anonymous No.725377792 [Report] >>725379779
>>725377659
it's not but i think there's less than 10 people working on it right now
Anonymous No.725379395 [Report]
>>725362712
>mana costs of all spells is insane in NOTR.
I suppose that was to balance out the mana you get from the tablets
Anonymous No.725379779 [Report]
>>725377792
cockhead
Anonymous No.725379784 [Report] >>725380284
>>725364064
It's like Risen but worse. Risen is great though. But only Risen 1.
Anonymous No.725380284 [Report] >>725381645
>>725379784
>only Risen 1
i'll never understand this bald cunt's obssession with pirates
Anonymous No.725381352 [Report] >>725382707
>>725360797
Regular Gothic 2 was great you fucking nigger. Gothic 2 vanilla + NOTR should have been the way to go
Anonymous No.725381645 [Report] >>725381726
>>725380284
Germans love pirates
Anonymous No.725381726 [Report]
>>725381645
Germans also love scat porn.
Anonymous No.725382026 [Report] >>725382660 >>725383485
>>725357879 (OP)
Welcome to night of the raven bud better start using those scrolls.
But for real, I think crits are pretty neat for the player, since it encourages you to level weapon proficiencies. But NPC crits doing 10x the damage is absurd. Fighting bandits is a no go until like late game unless you're using some sort of underhanded tactic.
Anonymous No.725382218 [Report]
>>725364064
I know it's cliche but it's an alright game and a terrible gothic game. It might be better than elder scrolls oblivion but I don't personally agree with that.
Anonymous No.725382660 [Report] >>725382732 >>725383240
>>725382026
>Fighting bandits is a no go until like late game unless you're using some sort of underhanded tactic.
I cleared bandit bridge on level 4. You have to aggro them 1 at a time, it's easier to do when they are coming back to the bridge after chasing you. They are pussies 1v1.
Anonymous No.725382707 [Report]
>>725381352
Shut up bitch.
Anonymous No.725382732 [Report]
>>725382660
That's gothic for sure, enemies are super predictable.
It's probably why the developers felt the need to make them hit so hard in NOTR
Anonymous No.725383230 [Report]
>>725361106
It was a NotR change. I haven't had this issue on a vanilla copy my friend gave me back in like 2006.
I never returned it, I'm sorry.
Anonymous No.725383240 [Report] >>725383515
>>725382660
I just lured them all to Akil's farm lol
Anonymous No.725383485 [Report]
>>725382026
>start using those scrolls.
it sucks when fire rain can hit your allies as well
Once I accidentally killed some friendly woodcutter when trying to defeat bandits in Dexter's tower
Anonymous No.725383513 [Report] >>725384090 >>725391550
>>725374571
How? I tried changing shit in the ini like a retard but never got it beyond the max 200 or 300%.
Anonymous No.725383515 [Report]
>>725383240
And wasted all that xp.
Anonymous No.725383597 [Report]
>>725361126
What? I just played G1 recently and most animals you find out in the wild one or two shot you for most of the game. The retarded decision to make melee weapons only hit what you're targeting (and not work on a proper active hurtbox) means if 2 or more enemies attack you at once, you're pretty fucked.
Anonymous No.725383749 [Report] >>725387612
How to get ahead in NOTR the not meme way
>acquire fireball and rain of fire scrolls
>run to crypt near onar's farm
>blow up everything with magic
>go from level 0 to 7 instantly
There you go your early game hell solved in 30 minutes or so.
Anonymous No.725383751 [Report]
>>725372901
I heard that a big update is coming so I'm waiting on that.
Anonymous No.725383867 [Report]
>>725376280
>>725376381
Stalker IWP with CotZ quests was my favorite Stalker mod, and SoC Update 2.0 is coming out soon and looks amazing. It's not exactly super recent, but the last update to Arcane Dimensions wasn't too long ago.
Anonymous No.725384090 [Report] >>725384765 >>725392495
>>725383513
If you want vanilla, open console and type zfogzone, it will kill your fps tho. Dx11 renderer is the better option.
Anonymous No.725384750 [Report]
>>725361126
on the level of lmao 2cat!11!
Anonymous No.725384765 [Report] >>725385606 >>725386725
>>725384090
Is there a way to make the x11 rendered look like the original?
Anonymous No.725385606 [Report] >>725386725 >>725387010
>>725384765
You can play around with the menu and try to disable all fancy effects. It's not going to look 1:1, but I'd say that performance boost is worth it.
Anonymous No.725386725 [Report] >>725387140
>>725384765
>>725385606
Just use dgvoodoo dude
Anonymous No.725387010 [Report] >>725387483
>>725385606
Doesn't matter because I can't get dx11 to work anyway
Anonymous No.725387140 [Report] >>725388339
>>725386725
I did. I barely get 30 fps. Dgvoodo2 is great for most older games but G2 isn't one of them. Even weirder is the fact that i don't get the same performance issues in G1 even with longer view distance.
Anonymous No.725387483 [Report] >>725387581
>>725387010
> I can't get dx11 to work anyway
Do you get any errors?
Anonymous No.725387581 [Report] >>725388295
>>725387483
No, it just doesn't do anything
Anonymous No.725387612 [Report]
>>725383749
>onar's farm
>level 0
How do you even get there at level 0?
Anonymous No.725388295 [Report] >>725388431
>>725387581
Try installing this: https://www.worldofgothic.com/dl/?go=dlfile&fileid=122. I'm pretty sure that all digital releases of the game have systempack pre-installed, if you somehow don''t have it: https://github.com/GothicFixTeam/GothicFix/releases. And if somehow it still doesn't work, you can try automatic install with Union.
Anonymous No.725388339 [Report] >>725389526
>>725387140
Huh, works on my machine. Did you fiddle with any of the settings? I thought I read vsync was fucky on gothic2.
Anonymous No.725388431 [Report] >>725389526
>>725388295
I'm running the workshop version of the game, and I installed union from there. There's two workshop entries for dx11 but neither work, and manually installing it didn't work either. Oh well, I'll live.
Anonymous No.725389526 [Report]
>>725388339
>Did you fiddle with any of the settings?
I tried a bunch of things. G2 runs like shit on every pc that I ever owned on dx7 renderer.
>>725388431
I wish I knew how to help you.
Anonymous No.725391550 [Report] >>725392495
>>725383513
dx11 renderer.
Here's a screenshot I made at the beginning of current playthrough. Works like a charm. I think you can also disable the fog, but I didn't.
Anonymous No.725391704 [Report] >>725392043 >>725392323
Is there a way to disable Raven DLC on GOG version?
Anonymous No.725392043 [Report]
>>725391704
Gothic 2 classic mod.
Anonymous No.725392287 [Report] >>725392852 >>725393162
>>725357879 (OP)
I wish Gothic 2 would be updated so it would let you play the vanilla game with no NOTR balancing.
Yes I know that mods exists that do this but this would cull the retards complaining about muh game is too hard
Anonymous No.725392323 [Report]
>>725391704
Pirate the non-notr version.
Anonymous No.725392386 [Report] >>725392519
>>725357879 (OP)
Because it's a shit game praised only by Russians and Germans
Anonymous No.725392495 [Report]
>>725391550
>I think you can also disable the fog
You can >>725384090
Anonymous No.725392519 [Report]
>>725392386
Your forgot polacks. The holy trio of nations with a good taste. Everyone else can be safely nuked.
Anonymous No.725392852 [Report] >>725392935
>>725392287
I think you can do it on steam in the betas tab
Anonymous No.725392935 [Report] >>725396037
>>725392852
ah I see so steam has an answer to it.
This is what I get for being a gogcuck
Anonymous No.725393162 [Report]
>>725392287
just don't be a little bitch
notr is like baby mode compared to odyssey legendary
Anonymous No.725396037 [Report]
>>725392935
To be fair I'm not sure that's what it does, I just saw an option for "gothic classic" or something like that