Thread 725371120

What went wrong?

They appealed to nocturnefags instead of recreating a good game or going more original

>>725371120 (OP)
I never played a smt game so i wouldnt know. Plan to play it in a few weeks when i finish up the current games im playing

>>725371120 (OP)
Nothing

>>725371213
>recreating a good game
Like SMT IV lmao?
Nocturne is the best SMT

they was boofing the whole damn glizz and lowkey getting zooted

>>725371120 (OP)
You cant breed him...

>>725371120 (OP)
Nothing, it's the best game in the series.

>>725371120 (OP)
>femboy protagonist
>couple of cutesy girls around him
>a third of the demons are half naked ladies
>villain is a harem of femme fatale succubi
The only thing that went wrong is that they should have gone even hornier.

>>725371120 (OP)
Lack of proper dungeons I guess. There's only, what, two? And they kinda suck. But other than that Vengeance fixed every problem I had with the original, it's tied with Unicorn Overlord as my 2024 goty

>>725371120 (OP)
everything

dogshit casual game for zoomniggers

>>725371213
>They appealed to nocturnefags
No they didnt

>>725371120 (OP)
>pros
combat
demons
bosses
OST
>cons
everything else

I fucking hated the story, characters (except for Aogami and Yoko), the shitty level designs, the quests, collecting mimans, playing as a fucking pin marker in tokyo (who the fuck thought this was a good idea???), new game runs, and endgame was a joke
Despite that I still enjoyed the game due to the pros, OST was godlike https://youtu.be/KG_E_lGQ9Go?si=V51Hv17XvwGQhy59

>>725374526
>>pros
>combat
>demons
>bosses
>OST
HAHHAHAHah go fuck yourself

seriously

fucking kill yourself. Spamming AOEs through the entire game is not fun, Bing Bing wahoo world is not fun, shitty OST is, shitty demons.

Cons :EVERYTHING NOT SMTIV not SMTIVA NOT SMTNocturne NOT SMT II not SMT I

PROS: DOGSHIT SMT V

K i l l y o u r s e l f

>>725374647
you're brown.

Why does the protag look like a bitch?

>>725374724
Respect the roots or everything falls apart. SMTV is one step away from becoming a mobage. Kill yourself yt

>>725374647
>seething console warrior is triggered that V is good

>What went wrong?

fujobait femboy MC vastly inferior to CHAD-fiend
Other than that it's alright

>>725374808
youre writing to me as if I care what a brownoid thinks

>>725374979
My PC is probably superior to 99% of nu-gay /v/
>>725375137
Didn't you forgot to post the Belzeebub song? Isn't it your favorite you dumbfaggot? Post it come on , do the eternal dance as the IP dies.

Do you even have the IQ and the patience required to play through II and III? I sincerely doubt it, dumb game for a dumb gen.

>>725374526
Moonbeano > susanbeano
Reclamation for vengeance > anyother random battle theme
Prime minister > aogami

>>725375353
thanks nice consolewarring faggot
keep seething though

>>725371120 (OP)
The entire narrative is just
>What if we did Nocturne again without any of the 2000s edge that made it iconic
so it just comes off as empty and boring. A lot of the new humanoid demons are boring but at least Doi is falling into his groove. Everything else (OST, combat, etc.) is good. Demon interactions are a surprising and cute addition.

>>725371120 (OP)
First go around they were limited by the switch and several other disasters, such as the idea to make the player "adventure" through four different (literal) sandboxes.
Vengeance was really good though.

Deltarune did everything it tried better Doebeit

>>725375447
Heh Doe

>>725375431
They really did want to make it part of a Duology with Nocturne but it felt like they forgot why Nocturne did that stuff to begin with.
It still turned out good though. I mean, after the "100 changes" re-release.

>>725375396
Reminder that you can autoskill the entire game except for bosses.

>but le bosses

Doesn't matter, mobile tier game, shitty low IQ brain dead game.

>but le lust candy

Doesn't matter, it was challenging and borderline impossible in expert.

Just admit it, you lack the IQ and the patience, you need the shiny cut scene, it's the only thing THE ONLY THING V has.

Funny there was a time were we shit on cutscenes that interrupted the gameplay, now it's hailed as a good thing. Dumbest generation to ever live.

Also please post LE EPIC SCURTECENS!"!!FCENNCE!SA!

I need them, you need them. It's a SMTV thread after all. Post them faggot, stupid braindead faggot, post them. Shinny Jingle and all.

>>725375590
>brownioid thinks anyone cares what it thinks
keep seething faggot

>>725375696
You will never be white, black hair, black eyes? muttoid generation? Though luck, why are you trying so hard? Won't make you any less stupid.

>>725375447
Truke

>>725375794
you seem upset at the truth, console warrior

>>725375447
Absolutely based and true

>>725375431
Even if you didn't care for how different SMT IV was compared to Nocturne, you have to acknowledge that it was a HARD act to follow. Even with Apocalypse's retarded 'the power of friendship' ass vibe, the party actually felt like it had a personality, and Gaston was a surprisingly complex character. I went into SMT V hoping they'd learned something but you're right, they wanted a Nocturne 2 with none of the edge.

>>725375447
Thread

>>725371120 (OP)
The MC's design is too faggy

Like persona 5, this game has very little improvement compared to the previous entries. I’m so tired of playing the same game for 10 times

VV>SJ>Nocturne>IVA>I>II>IV>If...

>>725376595
Then don't.

>>725371120 (OP)
Atlus fatigue

>>725371120 (OP)
>original sells 2 million copies
>put out a slightly revised version on the same system
>sells another 2 million copies
It sounds like it did pretty well to me.

>>725374526
That one track convinced me to finally get around to getting V. Love the OST so much.

>>725383265
>slightly
they made huge upgrades to every aspect.

>>725384667
Good choice.
And yeah, that soundtrack is god tier https://youtu.be/i6qA_dG_q5M?si=DLUE4lzm3sQ7oKIF&t=49

>>725371120 (OP)
>no dungeons
Not a real SMT game.

>>725386224
You're not a real man.

>>725386295
>I'm a zoomer with no attention span and can only play linear hallway slop
>also, Final Fantasy 13 is the best JRPG ever made

I think Kozuka is a better composer than Meguro

>>725371120 (OP)
>unironically thinking V is good
Can't believe I have to share a board with you faggots.

>>725386224
truth nuke

>>725388278
Ignore, wrong thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EakEuDBwWBM
Thoughts on the demon expansion mod?

>>725386224
The not dungeons are better designed than literally any dungeon in the series. Actually the real dungeons are the worst levels in the game and they're still better than half the Nocturne Dungeons and all the IV shit.

the story and setting were just uninteresting, it didn't feel like SMT to me, didn't feel like any of it spinoffs either

>>725374102
That V, and VV went the other way, thankfully.

i'm ~30 hours into it now, is it really just red desert and toppled skyscrapers the whole way through?

>>725389835
Sometimes the desert changes colors.

>>725371120 (OP)
He looks like a girl.
VV explicitly, SMT is already a long game, DLC should be incorporated into a game not made it's own stand alone campaign.

>>725389835
The vengeance route tries to change it up by replacing the third area with a nice looking one. But yeah it's all just ruined architecture and desert. Apparently that was the original vision for SMT3 as well.

>>725389597
>The not dungeons are better desi-
stfu no they are not
>go around a corner
>miman
>jump up a building
>miniboss
>walk down an alley beside that building
>abscess
>continue up a generic platforming section
>bossfight
shit was boring man

>>725373217
That's because it's his job. (canonically)

>>725389835
there are some glowing cubes later on

Why is there so much seethe in this thread? One mentally ill retard?

>>725389716
I vaguely remember the law rep tossing his hat and being a little edgy, but fuck if I recall any of the others. I didn't play vengeance, do they do anything of note in that one?

>IV was made to appeal to western fans to get sales and save the series
>IV is the most disliked SMT game according to Japanese polls
>V was made to appeal to Japanese fans
>V is one of the most beloved SMT games according to Japanese polls (next to the original SMT)
>V is thought of highly critically in the west and considered good but extremely flawed

hmm

>>725391639
really cool ones at that

>>725371120 (OP)
changing directors mid development and not having a unified vision for the game, ditching the whole dungeoncrawling thing for a more palatable open world formula, blatantly trying to shove nocturne memberberries where they don't belong because its the only smt game persona fans recognise, and making 70% of the plot a last minute exposition dump that you give zero fucks about because the rest of the game is so mediocre.
VV tried to fix it which is commendable but its like slapping a bandaid on a deep gash.
Kozuka is a fucking god for singlehandedly carrying both versions of the game, not sure how he did it

>>725392649
I cannot comprehend liking V more than IV, even IV:A is still better than V

>>725392854
And yet the polls don't lie. We have to come to terms that V was made for the Japanese that started with SMT1 and not us.

>>725393010
it's nothing like SMT1, or 2, or 3, or IV though, and not in a good way.
nothing like kyuuaku/MT1 or 2 as well

>>725393076
You're thinking about it purely in gameplay terms and not everything else.

>>725392649
Isn't it a good thing to appeal to the japs? It's a jap series. You wouldn't take Red Dead Redemption and try to make the next entry appeal to them.

>>725392739
I actually hate this because the textures aren't even doing anything interesting, they're static while the shapes shrink and grow, and just clip through at that.

>>725392854
I literally can't comprehend like IV more than V. And I was here on /v/ defending IV as being worth playing when it came out.

>>725393148
no i was thinking about it in terms of everything else

how can you play SMT2 and think V is remotely similar in terms of aesthetic, tone or story.

>>725393354
Because V is more closely related to SMT1 than 2 for starters. Also 1 and MT2 take place primarily in ruined Tokyo like V does. 2 is more like IV.

>>725393254
the fractal ones on the left do, they're 3dish or something, i can't remember. i spent plenty of time just watching them too

>>725375440
>Limited by the switch
Sure just like how Persona 5 was limited by the hardware it ran on, and everyone knows that SMT4 was limited by the 3DS.

How do I keep demons viable through an entire run? You get Artemis at the mid point but I be dammed if I have to get rid of her, I paid money for that bitch.

>>725389835
Almost ALL modern JRPGs are low budget rehashed assets reused areas. The japs have no idea how to do a mid budget game, its either FF/KH games that take 10 years to develop or something that has you fighting recolored monsters for 40 hours.

Some of them like the new Tales games don't even put endgames in them.

>>725394209
The budget rightfully went into the monsters

>>725394124
Grimoires and strategic uses of demon statues. You get enough grimoires from Mitama and treasure to keep about 2 demons all gamem

>>725394124
Feed them tons of incenses.

someone REALLY wants to talk about SMT V recently huh

>>725395194
When was the last time someone talked about SMTV here? I rarely see threads.

>>725392649
Do you have a single source for any of that shit?

>>725392854
because i like when games have good gameplay hope this helps

>>725397412
A couple or so years ago when Atlus was doing their annual survey they put out a video showing the responses for favorite persona and smt games. IV ranked the lowest next to IVA.

>>725395058
>>725395118
It's really that simple? I read somewhere that you had to use elemental demons to upgrade to another demon and then downgrade when it's the level you want.

>>725392649
It's surprising to me anyone could like 4. 4a I dunno I never tried it, but 4 was a terrible game.

>>725398669
The only real flaw with four is some of the demon designs and the fact that the minitour fight could have been lost before it began.

>>725372553
indeed, smt iv is a good game

The MC isn't cuddling with me tonight, that's the problem.

>>725398975
for me it's:
>Demons are just skill lists with the only difference being some have more HP or MP
>Main character has no unique skills or anything to differentiate them from a demon, making them just another skill list.
>The way on-screen encounters work is completely worthless, things can literally spawn underneath your feet making it no different than random encounters.
>Estoma sword is the worst iteration of estoma to date and as a result I wound up heavily overleveled early on since trying to run can just get you killed.
>ZERO defensive stats, so an ambush that can kill you in the beginning of the game can kill you at the end.
>Buffs feel worthless for the majority of the game.
>Smirk is just doing the same thing press turn did to begin with, but making battles even more one sided and "first one to move wins".
>Worst alignment reps to date.
>Navigating Tokyo was an absolute nightmare I never want to relive.
>Demon domains are so boring.
>Everything storywise in the game feels disjointed and disconnected from eachother, it's just a bunch of shit happening.
>Plot threads started and dropped entirely. I got the chaos ending so maybe some of them wrap up in the neutral ending I don't know, I just wanted the game to be over already.
This is just what I remember from playing it on release. I really did not like 4 at all.

>Aigis if male
Atlus can't do new ideas anymore.

>>725399575
Don't forget the worst memberberries of any game in the series. People who say V does too much Nocturne nostalgia bait better be just as critical of IV's retarded use of pointless nostalgia pandering. Stephen suddenly appearing in neutral being one of the stupidest reveals of all time for example.

>>725371120 (OP)
I liked the game overall, especially Vengeance. That said, there were still things I had issues with. One of the biggest being the treatment of Tiamat.
>Spends the entirety of the new storyline building up to her and hyping up her return
>Proceeds to not give her any speaking lines or agency.
The fact that she was just a puppet for others to control felt like wasted potential.

>>725403263
>The fact that she was just a puppet for others to control felt like wasted potential.
There was a point to making her this way though.

V was so fucking good. Fatlus were dumb to release a single boss + music track post release and then call it a day.
Oddly enough they still haven't released the artbooks for V yet have they? Something they do when the game is considered finished. Where the fuck is it

>>725403263
>The fact that she was just a puppet for others to control felt like wasted potential.
That her goal in life. Even Mastema effortlessly show how powerless it is when its not following the script.

>>725403724
Everyone that gives a shit about V has been asking the same thing especially the Japanese because the one post game interview Doi did for V he said he would talk more about V at a later date and it's been an entire year of silence since he said that. No one knows if they will ever release the dev materials or they are working on some kind of dlc that which is why they aren't releasing the dev materials. Also VV came out on switch right towards the end of the switch before switch 2 and it needs to be updated. They still haven't done that either. Nothing about it makes sense.

>>725403532
>>725403864
If controlling Tiamat is so easy, why'd they have to make her a demon you can't unlock for use yourself?
I thought I was missing something when I didn't unlock her for fusion and was surprised to see that there simply wasn't any way to in VV.

>>725371120 (OP)
nothing i wish it was longer. i wish it was more diverse like jungle biome etc. maybe more platforming depth like wall running and rope swinging

>>725394394
the monsters that are 90% recycled from Persona 5 and 5% recycled from Soul Hackers 2?

I hate how all the bosses near the end of the game are just tedious damage sponges with a trillion hitpoints. Some of the endgame bosses feel like even if you have a reasonable team it takes like half an hour to beat them, which is retarded

>>725404689
It's not easy and they tell you that by saying she's primordial. Mastema had to ask the great will for permission and Yoko was her goddess.

>>725406428
this, also i feel like the only way to beat the super bosses are with dedicated gimmick teams since they oneshot you a bunch otherwise

>>725406428
Mastema isn't.

I feel like early on buff/debuffs are barely worth using because it takes up so many turns to apply/maintain yet the bosses barely miss/can still one shot one demons easily.