Thread 725371724

Is this tough but fair?

>the only way to win is to ROLL
looks fair to me

>>725371724 (OP)
>panic roll
>double colossals with grafted blade
>panic roll
>mimic tear
>panic roll
>jump attack talisman
>panic roll
>already out of flasks halfway through the fight
>PANIC ROLL
You shouldn't judge a boss by how hard it rightfully rapes shitters like these.

How do we fix the rolling problem?

>Final boss of big DLC is radahn again
What happened

goodness gracious, that is atrocious

>>725372663
Add variable animations so niggers have to to say pushing a button in response to an attack is slop. People only say it’s slop in DS games cause you look silly spamming it. No one says a thing about sekkiro but it’s literally the same thing with a different animation

>>725371724 (OP)
it's a little bit ridiculous honestly, but yes it's possible to git gud and complete this boss. personally I would prefer if they toned it down a bit but that's just me.

>>725371724 (OP)
Use your run to create distance instead of panic rolling, shitter retard. Your jump too.

>>725371724 (OP)
>devs increase roll spam punishing
>player rolls harder

>>725371724 (OP)
man this looks stupid. i will forever hate bloodborne for being the beginning of this shit

>>725371724 (OP)
>here's that grounded dark fantasy adventure game i was telling you about

>>725372926
you can't rollspam in sekiro though

>>725372835
Souls became a product to be consumed and not a game to be played. So devs just make random products until retards notice and stop consuming it, forcing devs to make new shit.

>>725371724 (OP)
fromtards will defend this

>>725371724 (OP)
would've probably taken less damage if you just blocked with your sword

>>725373147
Yeah you push l2 over and over again instead. It’s literally the same thing

>>725372835
Nobody's ever really gone

>>725372663
add a blocking button
add an ability that has invincibility frames
add abilities that poise and interrupt enemies
add poke from behind a shield abilities
add long range spells that mitigate these close range flurries

...wait

>>725373208
the retard in OP's video doesn't even have a full upgraded flask from the main game

>>725373283
it isn't and you're just an autistic retard

>>725371847
BASED

>>725373309
>long range spells
>*boss teleports behind you within a single cast time*
You're response?

>>725373061
What are you supposed to do in this case, rather than roll? Block? They look like guard breaking attacks.

Blame the retarded 'le prepare to die' portion of the fanbase. They don't see these things as inconsequential video games, they tie their self-worth to the difficulty.

There was so much more to appreciate in demons souls and dark souls. The level designs, the bleak and grounded medieval art style, the collision and positioning based fight system - but the only thing dumb ningens cared about was le difficulty.

>>725373459
You've played neither dark souls nor demons souls
Stop spouting canned opinions

just not that fun to me.
I beat it in 6-7 tries just to prove i have enough skills
but From peaked at Sekiro, that is the type of game design that is rewarding to me.
Not only "fun to beat" but also "fun to play".

>>725372291
what else was he supposed to do?

>>725373452
if you want to roll you need to learn the timings and where to roll
the retard is spamming roll in hopes that the boss switches aggro to the mimic tear and he can attack "safely"

>>725373527
Can you prove that I haven't played (n)either?

Positioning stopped mattering in DS2, when enemies started blatantly turning on turntables. And then it was kicked up a notch in DS3, where enemies started maneuvering mid-air to home in on you if you dodged after they jumped.

im too scared to play elden ring because of this shit. flamelurker is as hard as bosses get for em

>>725373724
Don't need to
Imagine calling fucking demons souls grounded

>>725373795
Grounded in terms of the art style, you moron.

That's a big complaint with the remaster. Everything is over designed unlike the original.

>>725371724 (OP)
Fromsoft game's really makes you FEEL like a passive cuck. I really do not see the appeal for these games. Shit like Ninja Gaiden on Master Ninja at least makes you feel something after clearing a room full of fuckers throwing explosives up your anus since you could also sodomize them equally as hard by actually going on the offense.

Only boss I skipped because this fight looks like ass with the shit tier camera with no way to zoom out along with the multiple blinding explosions

>>725373763
Playing DS after Elden Roll is such an insane difference. You lose a ton of QoL but the bosses actually let you breathe.

>>725373452
radahn is a spacing game, there are attacks you can sidestep entirely if you are close. he's built to punish rollspam and shield tanking

>>725373923
>Grounded in terms of the art style
It isn't grounded in any terms retarded mongoloid

>>725371724 (OP)
God i fucking hate rollslop so much

>>725371847
>get hit by rock
>knocked down and immune to the slash bullshit
>get up and jump attack with my colossal swords
I don't have to play your game

>panic rolling
>mimic
Yup, its a shitter.

>>725373309
>>725373934
The problem will always be that Souls fans are fucking stupid.

>>725372663
make it not viable for evasion and design enemies to punish misuse of it early and often

>>725374039
Okay, the realistic medieval castles and dungeons were not grounded at all and totally reminded me of LOTR. You win.

Now putting that argument (which you won bigly) aside - the retarded fanbase's demands turned every boss and mook into an anime ninja over time and the consort radahn fight is the culmination of all the changes that have taken place from DeS to ER:SotE

the devs don't have the balls to force players duelwielding in armor to fat roll

>>725371724 (OP)
Should have punished on the neutral.

>Daily From Derangement Syndrome Thread
kek
thoroughly and truly perma mindbroken

>>725371724 (OP)
You're using the mimic, so no it's not fair in the slightest to the poor boss.

>>725371724 (OP)
No, this is the direction From Software has gone in. Dark Souls 1 is my favorite game of all time. Everything else has been disappointment after disappointment, save for Bloodborne.

>>725373964
I beat him using rolling spark before it was nerfed but i havent attempted him since he was nerfed

>>725371724 (OP)
hmmm I think I see the issue here
it is very difficult to roll and run away with 2 big swords, and all the rolling eats too much stamina for him to attack
solution?
he should swing the sword. this will stagger the boss and lead to its death.

>>725371724 (OP)
why do fromsoft fans suck so much at the game

>>725371724 (OP)
Running works better in this case, but even then it's unreliable and getting even a little bit of hitstun means you're fucked

>>725374574
>stagger the boss
Radahn? Stagger?

>>725373347
>push button to avoid damage right before you get hit
>ITS DIFFERENT THAN BLOCKING!! YOU CAN GET FREE DAMAGE IN IF YOU KEEP DODGING I MEAN PARRYING

>>725374683
Yes I stagger him with a fucking longsword of all weapons.

>>725371724 (OP)
Blonde faggot

>>725374683
Yes, he staggers like everything else in the game eventually does
he folds hard to getting his shit deflected and guard countered with the deflect tear

>>725372835
Miyazaki kind of forgot he died

>>725372663
Wuchang already solved this problem. You can roll, block, deflect, parry, or clash attacks, and if you use magic you can use alacrity. I think the spears have another tool too.
The fun thing is that those only work against weapons, against melee you have to either dodge or block (can't deflect), but also have that one spell that nullifies one attack.

>>725374683
yea, press the attack button that isn't r1 sometime

>>725373637
And how exactly do you learn said timings? Surely you can expect a player to learn the timing on their first fight, specially considering how complex his moveset is.

>>725373763
I cheesed him hard, took me 2 attempts. Summon the NPCs (you do have to follow a guide to complete their quests), summon the HP draining summon, use rot, use HP regen, use a heavy shield. That's it.

>>725371724 (OP)
Exactly like Winds of Winter when Jon Snow had to panic roll for five pages.

>>725371724 (OP)
Shooting star is unfair, but he does it once a fight, so it's not a big deal. His left swing -> right swing -> uncross is also unfair. The rest of him is hard but fair.

>>725375163
>And how exactly do you learn said timings
by practicing?

>>725375163
By blocking. Blocking while walking backwards should be your default reaction to every new attack. Any character in the game can use a medium shield with barricade shield ash.

If you really don't want to die you can be summoned by someone else.

ive been playing SOTFS because i never played it and looking at playing DS1 again after and this webm was a flashbang of how flanderised the entire concept of the souls series has become. It used to just be undead knights and stone behemoths and Elden Ring has culminated in fighting curserotted gravity lightning meteor throwing 14ft tall fallen angel tree warrior golden royalty berserker hellion champions and it looks like someone slapping more and more flagrant shit onto the concept of not telling a story about a random guy with a medieval weapon fighting stuff to please a fanbase

i dont often use the word "drone" but these fromsoft diehards start to look a bit silly for being fed increasingly more sugary slop to disguise the taste of what is a relatively nothing series. Now i dont have a HATEBONER for it but fucking hell shit dun changed

>>725373309
Hm sir that is dishonest gameplay, if you've done any of those things i'm sorry but i'll have to remove your "beat the game" card.

>>725375362
>the souls series has become.
Yes. This is elden ring and not dark souls 4.

>>725371724 (OP)
They really jumped the shark on this boss.

>>725375425
>dark souls 4
It is in all but its name

>>725373615
If you are a shield fag, block it. Otherwise you could do what you can do with 99% of other attacks that aren't sweeps in elden ring and simply use the run button to escape on the bosses side. Enemy tracking on vertical attacks pretty much never beats running.

>>725371724 (OP)
Elden Ring was such a shit game.

>>725375425
the same way dark souls isnt demons souls which isnt kings field and bloodborne isnt Dark Souls 3 but somehow eventually youre fighting skeletons in a poison swamp with a moonlight greatsword STR build in every one of these games.

curious

>>725371724 (OP)
I pop a Mimic and consider it fair.

>>725375503
>It is in all but its name
>But then whines that thematically different from dark souls

>>725372663
Elden Ring fixed this, shields were exponentially better than ever, added a myriad of super armor AoW and stuff like Raptor Mist on top of several types of damage mitigations.
Problem here lies with Consort being a shitty fight

>>725375906
What are you eve talking about, literally no one in this thread is complaining about the "themes" being different from those of dark souls.

Not like any of that shit matters or anyone cares anyway. I don't even recall what the 'money points' or 'save spots; were officially called, I just referred to them as souls and bonfires in my head.

>>725374006
Radahn is piss easy with a good shield and a spear albeit.

>>725376269
sharty lost btw

>>725376269
>shield

You did not beat PCR.

>>725373309
yeah it would be cool if from added these functionalizes to the game

in a way that wasnt completely perfunctory and not at all reliable in virtually every circumstance

too bad they cannot, and will not ever evolve beyond pressing dodge roll over 16 times in one combo

>>725371724 (OP)
people play this fucking shit?
it looks abhorrent as far as video games go.

>>725376269
don't reply to me, I only recognize real gamers kiddo

>>725371724 (OP)
>reward isn't anything special
>fight is lame as fuck, even after the nerfs
>the color palette is completely fucked
>completely optional at the end of the day
I've beaten Radahn exactly one time, and I will never fight him or his gangbang simps beforehand ever again. Stupid fucking design.

>>725371724 (OP)
As an outsider looking in, this doesn't look very fun. The enemies have endless cool moves, and the player has... rolling. What is the appeal?

>>725371724 (OP)
This shit looks like some derisive parody of more traditional from software games gameplay.
To add insult to injury, this enemy's narrative sounds like a derisive parody as well
>Hey remember this dude that you've killed in mid game? He's back but he's gay now and in a same sex marriage to a local crossdresser
I can't take this seriously. I can't even imagine kind of person who would take this seriously.

Remember when this shit was leaked and the entire fandom started coping about how it's fake and a bad mod which reuses DS3 assets? I remember. Today, literally those same people post ITT about how it's a greatest encounter in history of action games, with deepest and most serious lore. Embarrassing.

>>725371724 (OP)
No. It's just bullshit. Tough but fair only applied to Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1. It's been massively downhill into cheap territory ever since because they keep having to try and top themselves.

>>725378179
Some people like playing various simulator games. For example, this game is a circus midget simulator.

>>725379031
DS3 was fine you're just bad. DS3 was the peak of it being tough but fair.

>>725371724 (OP)
The souls franchise has unironically become rollslop its a parody of itself. The first one was special. With each new release it becomes more cringe.

>>725372663
Small chance to trip after each roll. Some ennemies can throw banana peels.

>>725371724 (OP)
To eldenchads this is just a warm up
They are the king of hardcore gaming

>>725372663
Add a short roll debuff. After the first roll each roll costs more and more stamina maybe add a perfect dodge buff to encourage timing a single roll perfectly.

>>725379494
Demon,ds1 and 2 was good because they focus on level design and exploration
Bosses act as a barrier to reach next area but now these game lost all its identity and become a fucking joke
i also lost all interest in this genre and only excited for nioh3 because of its action style combat system

>>725371847
based

>>725373309
You're not supposed to point that out

>>725371724 (OP)
I beat him with the hardtear and it was very fun.

I miss Demon's Souls. Call me a shitter because I am but this pseudo-action shit looks boring compared to it. If I wanted to play a fast reaction game I'd rather play Bayonetta or something, they had something different for a bit and totally fucked it up. Bloodborne was a mistake.

>>725381175
Demon's Souls is still there.

>>725381175
>Bloodborne was a mistake
Bloodborne is one of their best games thoughbeit. Just ask the man himself.

>>725381720
It shouldn't have influenced the games after it. Its speed and aggression don't fit Souls and ultimately Elden Ring. That doesn't just go for gameplay, it was also the game that made co-op and pvp irrelevant.

>>725378838
>Today, literally those same people post ITT about how it's a greatest encounter in history of action games, with deepest and most serious lore.
I don't think anyone is saying this

>>725381937
Blame the people that kept demanding a Shart Souls 3 when he didn't want to do it

>>725371724 (OP)
Yes. Why are you rolling like a retard instead of using the Sekiro parry hardtear?

Honestly it wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't for those after images, I don't know who the fuck thought that was a good idea nor how that even left the drawing board

>>725382206
Because he wanted to actually beat the game

>>725381937
I like the games after it, but I know what you mean. DS3 was the game that I felt did the most damage. It brought in a ton of new players that didn't understand what made dark souls great and thought it was all about boss fights.

>>725371724 (OP)
>Is this tough but fair?

>>725372663
Play Dark Souls 2. You don't have to spamroll all the time there.

>>725382590
DS2 bosses are cool, but a gank behind every corner is aids especially on your first playthrough.

>>725383110
most of the 'ganks' people complain about in ds2 are just a result of them trying to speedrun areas like they can in ds3 and they end up getting buttfucked by enemies they ran past

>>725374709
NTA
It literally is a completely different defensive mechanic, both in defensive benefits given and the timing of stringing them together; you're doing multiple strawmen arguments at once to try and make them seem the exact same.
For one, a roll in Souls/ER straight up gives you a massive amount of iframes. You can roll through a building sized dinnerplate being slammed down directly on your position.You can do no such thing in Sekiro.

Funnily enough I agree with your initial point that the animation is fucking retarded and to be honest if the default "evasion" in a Souls game was a backstep or something I wouldn't even have any stake in any of these arguments.

>>725373934
fromsoft fans had their first taste of difficulty from ER or dark souls, that's why they're so insufferable and autistic. they think what they do and play is special

>>725371847
fpbp

>>725372835
bandai namco is a toy company who obeys their shareholders. they don't make "art", and they never have, and they never will.

>>725382468
does every humanoid boss need to have the same death animation with one hand pointed towards the sky? these lazy fucks need new material, jesus

>725378179
Hardest parts of this boss were Miquellas hair and these AOE of lights.