Thread 725373032

This picture is hilarious because who the hell is using a guide for any of this?

Are modern gamers retarded?

>>725373032 (OP)
You are retarded and autistic if you unironically can say
>What do you mean that you don’t know where is this resource from?
>It drops at % from this enemy on this place that only spawns on this special event on a % after you use a specific bait in this specific zone

Stardew outright requires the wiki for fish. There's an in-game TV channel for that but it's locked behind a Special Order only available in Spring (and even then you might never see it because RNG)

>>725373032 (OP)
You can progress through Terraria without needing the wiki but a lot of the side stuff requires checking stuff online
>zero in-game mentions of the aether biome
>ankh components are locked behind over a dozen enemy types
>shellphone requires 3 RNG items from the traveling merchant, going through the underground desert, fishing in the underworld, finding all sorts of items throughout the world and killing one rare enemy type
>all the special seed types require searching for them online
>how luck works, which can really cut down on the time spent grinding if you stack it

>>725373032 (OP)
there's stuff in noita that you'll probably never find without the wiki, but the wiki isn't required to beat kolmi

>>725373032 (OP)
You know a casual made this because La-Mulana isn’t on it.

>>725374172
I never used wiki to get the ankh cuz the guide has a crafting thing andI like to explore and kill monsters… also the ankh shield was kinda disappointing and i rarely use it

>>725373483
>You know things about video games?
>AIEEEEEEEEEEE
the modern secondary

>>725373032 (OP)
>Are modern gamers retarded?
That or they want to get over the game as quick as possible to never playing it ever again.

>>725374616
they gotta make room for more gacha dailies

>>725373032 (OP)
>le "thing I don't like" MSPaint image
Figure that shartyniggers are the type that need a game to hold their hand and make sure they discover everything by marking it on their map and shitting yellow paint everywhere.

>>725373032 (OP)
There's no way anyone learned to play DF without the wiki

>>725374425
The Guide doesn't really tell you how to craft the other items IIRC, and those items take a long time to drop from the enemies. They changed it so that it also needs the mirror from the medusa and the only way to skip that is to find the aether and shimmer a blindfold (on top of the other blindfold you'll need for the reflective shades).

>>725373032 (OP)
Noita is filled with arcane bullshit.

>>725373032 (OP)
I like wiki games a lot, they're comfy in a weird way. I feel like an adventurer stopping to read a journal every now and then. That being said it has to be an ACTUAL wiki game that honestly requires you to go through the wiki to learn shit >>725374292 is a good example, the actual expected playstyle of noita is simple and you can "finish" the game in like 3 hours playing normally but thats only like 5% of the game, the other 95% of the game is almost impossible to find out about on your own and to even stand a chance against the rest of the game's content your gonna need to learn more advanced wand building which you'll never find out on your own because of all the weird interactions in the game that you'll only ever hear from word of mouth.
>https://noita.wiki.gg/wiki/Expert_Guide:_Add_Trigger_Series

>>725373032 (OP)
Escape from Tarkov should be there
Only those who have a 1000 hour degree in this game can play without the wiki opened at all times

>>725373032 (OP)
You're 15, right ?

>>725375018
Shit like this too

>>725375050
I played the sims on the family windows 98 with no internet most of the time because we had dial up and my mom was on the phone

>>725373032 (OP)
who the hell uses a wiki for The Sims?
WHY?
WHAT??
HOW???

>>725375136
heh
when i was a wee lad i played Command and Conquer and i remember making a slideshow describing all the units along with their strengths/weaknesses
this frightens the irony poisoned zoomer

I LOVE NOITA

>>725373032 (OP)
Who the fuck needs a wiki to play the sims?

>>725375136
>do not eat human meat or you should kill yourself
Why is it in the game then?
Also picrelated

>>725375136
Why would DISINFECTED rags cause infections? Was this written by a retard?

>>725373032 (OP)
>FH mentioned

>>725375514
>they took heckin... INSPIRATION?!
>IM GOING INSANE

>>725373032 (OP)
Most of these are fine. However its the Community that are the most retarded to the point where it makes these games look retarded

>>725375578
>INSPIRATION
theres a difference between inspiration and literally copying everything, I dont expect a chink or a fingoloid to understand

>>725375718
And yet I don't see you posting this is every single video game that using identical narrative structures
You only made these images as ad hoc justification to seethe about games you don't like because you are:
A SECONDARY

>>725375774
autism speaks

>>725375830
and it frightens the normal
back to your cellphone games

>>725375424
you can still survive off human meat, it's kind of a last resort

>>725375871
everybody laughs at autists like you and avoids them for a good reason, retard

If you aren't playing every single game completely blind then uhhhh I guess uhhhh I'm gonna spam an image depicting you as a strawman!!!!!!!

You can easily beat Noita through exploration and a bit of luck, even the wandbuilding is pretty self-explanatory if you don't need your hand held. However, if you want to become god and experience the latter 25% of what it has to offer then you probably need a guide, especially for building broken ass wands.

>>725373032 (OP)
If you need a guide to play The Sims you should get yourself checked for brain damage.

>>725375918
>i'm worried about fitting in and hate video games
I know, normal--I know

>>725373032 (OP)
who the hell ever checked a wiki for any sims games?

>>725375926
>beat
Lol more like complete teh tutorial.
>latter 25%
And It's more like the latter 75%

>>725373032 (OP)
>using a wiki for the sims
literally how fucking retard are you

>>725374172
I used the wiki for a few of the new things they added like catching the hell bugs, a chart of NPC like/dislikes, the graveyard biome, what items actually react to the shimmering pool, and some of the don't starve stuff.
None of it was actually necessary, but all were pretty tedious to figure out through manual testing.

>>725375718
This post was posted by brown hands
You're jealous they are White and you are not
Also it's uncanny how one of the girls in the image looks almost one of my ex gfs who was also blonde and had blue eyes

Also post cherrypicked photos of your nation too, I want to laugh

>>725373032 (OP)
I guess you COULD learn bachelorette's preferred gifts through trial and error but why waste time when you could just look them up?

I have 8 tabs open and have closed 30+. It's fucking bad

>>725375237
The only time i ever went to the Sims wiki was when i was curious about Goth and Strangetown lore.

>>725373032 (OP)
>Are modern gamers retarded?
Yes, they're noticeably dumber than they were even ten years ago.

>>725377068
>why play the game when you can have someone else play it for you?
Cuck

>shartytrash
>hilarious

>>725375514
oh my science, they stole map colors...

i mentally checked out of terraria when a friend showed me you need to place specific bottles on platforms for some crafting bs

>>725373032 (OP)
>lil niggy seriously needs wikipedia for the fucking sims
brain issue

>>725378192
Placing a bottle on any flat surface or furniture item enables the crafting of potions. Not that crazy.

>>725373032 (OP)
>>"wikislop"
>sims
>>text on shirt
holy ragebait
>mfw everyone still falls for it
holy retarded
maybe the soitrannies were right

>>725378461
Go hang out with them if you really feel that way.

>>725373032 (OP)
Great bait

>>725375718
>seething about finns being ugly
>when this was their prime minister

>>725378982
yeah, he should seethe that a nation would be so stupid as to elect her as a PM instead

>>725378982
>i disagree that they're all thick faced
>here, another thick faced woman to prove my point

Why is Minecraft not listed on here? It's the peak definition of wikislop, especially at release and for years afterwards.

>>725379176
let me guess you want some chin shaved alien gook wife

>>725379206
Nobody gives much of a shit about Minecraft
>but muh player count
but muh thread count on /v/

>>725373032 (OP)
the less i tried to minmax each day the more i enjoyed stardew

>>725373032 (OP)
Why did you post a pic of yourself, OP?

>>725379293
I would prefer it if women didn't have beards, yes

>>725375412
>>725375237
to learn where to get and how to install sex mods

>>725375449
It's a typo, it's actually This infected rags.

>>725379419
Asian men are pathetic, they look like women anyways
but they hate their own women so much they make them get plastic surgery to fix their moonface
and then they feel brave enough to even comment on white beauty lmao

>>725379552
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you a Finnish woman?

>>725379746
sorry gook not interested

I like Wikicore games for the implication that there's a lot of content.

>>725373032 (OP)
When I played binding of isaac I was tabbing out to read the wiki nearly half the time.
And since they dont display names for loot until you pick it up I had to spend many minutes searching for the specific item by its sprite alone.

>>725379949
sort of ruining the fun for yourself

>>725373032 (OP)
It’s not like this is a new concept
Guidebait has been around for awhile
FF8/9 have shit that’s just impossible to know without a guide, hearing from people, or dedicating hundreds of hours (Excalibur II)
Hell Zelda 1 was literally DESIGNED around guide usage and social networking, because there’s just no feasible way one kid could discover all the bombable walls and burn spots
>heh kid it’s called quality games and back in my day we just played the shit out of stuff
Shut the fuck up you LARPing zoomer, NOBODY did that shit naturally
The ones that did aren’t alive today because they killed themselves over their OCD habits

>>725374172
You can still get a lot of that stuff randomly by just playing the game and now that they added the bestiary you can check item drops, I believe. So there's even less incentive to look at the wiki for optional items and content.

>>725373032 (OP)
>who the hell is using a guide for any of this?
Stardew Valley has a tedious trial and error phase of giving gifts that can be easily skipped using a wiki.
Terraria has some mechanics that are essential for progress the game tells you nothing about (e.g., harvesting a meteor or building a boss arena).
Don't Starve and Oxygen Not Included suffer from this as well:
While letting the players try and fail is by design, as they learn and discover new things and mechanics making them more familiar with the game-world as time goes on by simply playing, DS has some arbitrary mechanics (like the farming in DST) that would catch you off guard and bring an hours-long run to an end. Even if you DID learn something new, it's bad design and disrespects the players time to face them with a new threat they had no way of knowing about or are prepared for.
ONI has the problem of having a lot of complex overlapping mechanics with a pitiful excuse for a tutorial, but an addmitedly useful in-game codex. You can tell whether a colony will survive or not a mile away by looking at how primitive to how advenced of solutions the player uses to solve issues (e.g., having separate pits for clean and toilet water vs. a water purification loop). Some essential buildable structures/machines, without which the colony's sure to fail mid-game to late-game, come from community hubs and the wiki (e.g., half/full-rodriguez, petroleum boiler, steam rooms).
Both games are unplayable without outside help, which could be understandable considering the complexion of ONI or the mysterious style of DS, but it ultimatly comes down to unexplained/unintuative/unlearnable in-game mechanics and bad game design.

>>725380592
wow be quiet

>>725380161
The difference is you could play FF7/8/9 just fine without the guides. Sure you'd miss out on the obscure mechanics, won't min/max the GF builds, won't know what to card mod and how to unlock ultimate weapons and so on, but the core game is entirely playable sans-guide and it's only the super secret stuff they keep super secret.
To be "wikislop" on the other hand the basic game mechanics have to be obtuse to the point that you need a guide to tell you what to farm, what to sell, what to craft otherwise you're just randomly consuming consumables and getting soft-locked.
Like I'm going to have to restart Omega Labyrinth Life because I was able to casually play right up to the final stretch barely crafting anything because none of the right materials dropped in numbers I could use and any time I got a +2 I was USING it, shocking I know, so I wasn't farming them for later crafting. And now I can't even grind for materials because I'm locked out of most of the dungeon. THAT's "wikislop". Read the solutions and follow the path.

>>725375424
>eat people meat
>get kuru
>tanks your ability to aim with spastic shakes
>can't sneak anymore because your character breaks out into random fits of laughter

>>725382009
>wow be quiet

>a discussion thread.
>discussing the thread's subject
>omg why are you discussing so much
Since when did fun become disallowed on /v/?

>i need a wiki to play sims, the literal dollhouse dress up game
really?

>>725373032 (OP)
>sims
u wat

>no La Mulana
wtf is this gay ass picture

>>725375136
>Scum was trying to emulate this shit with autistic line graphs and a teeth counter
>finally hits 1.0 and still doesn't have a fraction of this shit implemented
The entire genre is fucking cursed with this level of incompetence. DayZ is still the pinnacle considering that all of the information was drawn from ausfag SAS training.

>>725382805
La Mulana isn't meant to be played with a wiki. It's meant to be played with a notepad or something

>>725375449
>need to disinfect bandages before using them on open wounds
>dirty clothes can leech germs past the covering and into the body
>immune system can't handle the contamination so it starts fucking with you in real time
>it becomes cheaper to literally buy new clothes than to use soap to clean them with
I blame multiplayer focused balancing for the level of retardation that comes stock standard with these games.

>>725380592
>Terraria has some mechanics that are essential for progress the game tells you nothing about (e.g., harvesting a meteor or building a boss arena).
No idea why terraria gets mentioned in these threads. The game has the guide, which can tell you every recipe in the game and what to do in every point in your progression and the game gives you tons of clues how to progress. Besides that, you need to actually explore the world and try some stuff out which is pretty intuitive and the bare minimum you need to do as a player.

>>725373032 (OP)
DF needed one because of the unintentional bugs that people exploited for years, like danger rooms and black hole storage/disposal. The steam version made the game more retard accessible, but it can be argued you still may need the wiki for it. Especially for adventure mode, and the still shit keybinds/retarded quirks.

>>725375718
Don't tell this anon about George lucas and star wars.

I’ve finished the work in noita 2 or 3 times and I have no idea what else I’m supposed to do. Even with black hole guns I can’t go back up or make it through the toxic walls

Threads like these should be a bannable offense

>>725375718
supersus is finnish?

>>725373032 (OP)
>who the hell is using a guide for any of this?
I don't know about the others, but Terraria is nearly fucking unplayble without occasional wiki checking. Like sure. you can figure out a bunch of stuff on your own. But some shit is so incredible obtuse. So specialized, how would you ever know what to do? As this video points out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHgO1a_tOI
How would a new player learn basic tree mechanics? How would they learn that saplings can't be a certain distance from each other or other solid blocks? How would they know that they can make fertilizer if they craft a toilet, then eat food while sitting on the toilet to get poo, which they can then carry to a bottle that's placed on a table, which functions at a crafting station (how would you know this???) But ONLY if you also happen to have BONE and ASH blocks in your inventory? People point out that you can find a lot of stuff out by asking the guide, and sure, that's true. But some shit, you will NEVER know. There are over 5000 items in terraria, is a new player REALLY supposed to bring every single item to the fucking guide? Not to mention the shit the guide does not tell you about.
I love terraria, I beat terraria, you can do a lot of honestly fun trial and error shit in terraria, but there comes a time when you have to admit, the wiki is needed.

Fuck for me personally it's as simple as: How is a new player supposed to know if he has farmed everything from a certain boss, or if there is one more item?
The last time I played a summoner I did over 20 Pumpkin moon events to get a Dark Harvest whip that just didn't drop. At that point, a casual player might just assume he got every item the boss drops.
Fuck, I did like 15 kills of the Wall of Flesh to get my summoner Emblem, and that's a 25% drop chance, as the boss has a 100% ermblem drop chance. But if you keep getting warrior ranger sorcerer, at what point do you just assume there is none for summoner?

>>725373032 (OP)
Playing Dorf Fort with the wiki open has always been suggested with no stigma against it.
The game is dense. No shame in reading how a pump stack works after you attempt to make one and end up flooding your entire base in the process.

>>725385926
Forget when it was added, but acorns auto snap to a non-blocked distance. You have to go out of your way to overcrowd the saplings.
You know when you've farmed everything from a boss because after a certain number of kills, the loot table is shown in plain percentages in the bestiary book.
There is a tag 'Ingredient' on things that can actually be combined, so you would only check items with that tag on it, and when that tag is gone you know you have hit the end of that branch.
Thing is a casual player won't want nor need to 100% the game so most of the esoteric crafts simply do not matter at all.
Like who cares if they figure out how to make the terra toilet? That sort of thing is basically there as an easter egg for players who want to fuck around and find everything possible.