Thread 725393571

>one year ago
>everyone loves FFXIV and hates WoW
>now
>everyone hates WoW and loves FFXIV
Unironically what happened? That doesn't seem right, at all. Is Blizz paying for this obviously artificial change of narrative online?

>>725393571 (OP)
>everyone loves FFXIV and hates WoW
>everyone hates WoW and loves FFXIV
what are you trying to say?

>>725393698
Yeah I'm retarded and mixed the games on the second half, you fuckers get what I meant, c'mon.
>now
>everyone hates FFXIV and loves WoW

>>725394010
i don't think anyone loves WoW anymore
the people that still play it just has a sense of sunk cost fallacy

>>725393571 (OP)
FFXIV is going through its hopefully soon to end ESG period given the mass layoffs in the west. Doesn't mean other game is good or not being actively dumbed down next expansion.

Wow unironically looks more appealing. FFxiv have really fell off hard. The latest expansion was a fucking disaster. I'm almost certainly done with thst game unless they pull off another miracle somehow. Even if they story turns out to be great, I just can't suffer through the same 6 mechanics over and over again in every boss fight.

>>725394739
I'm apparently seeing Kate has been replaced. @/v/rok is this true?

>>725395435
I hope so, but all I know is mass layoffs in the western division.

Is it true that the english branch got culled?

>>725393571 (OP)
>>725394010
The main story ended. Post-EW happened.

>>725393571 (OP)
AI is really bad at statements like that.

>>725395435
No she's not being replaced and there's no proof, as the news going around that Paul Chandler is replacing her as "lead" is some bullshit some idiot on Twitter ran with despite Paul always being on the translation/localization team.

>>725393571 (OP)
>everyone loves WoW
The larger internet seems pretty tepid on WoW itself and actively loathes Blizzard. It was revealed to me in a dream

>>725393571 (OP)
FF14 became infested with trannies and roasties, most of the men left when they added the cash shop and made it easier.

>>725395435
https://youtu.be/Afr98AHwAKw?t=1298
>While I still am a supervisor on Final Fantasy XIV, most of the day to day stuff is handled by Paul, who I think you met. He is the lead now...
>>725399896
Koji is some idiot on twitter?

>>725395941
CBU3 is pretty much a self-operating branch, nothing Square Enix "at large" does is gonna affect them

>>725393571 (OP)
the only people comparing xiv to wow are wow players that moved to xiv
no one else gives a fuck because most of the audience for xiv knows its barely an mmo and plays it because of or despite that

>>725401267
"It's not a hardcore MMO" or "it's not a real MMO" is funny when it hits all the normal trappings that hardcore MMO autists would normally associate with WoW, whose status isn't questioned

>>725400746
was this pic made with mematic?

>>725401426
That strawman you imagined is fucking seething dude, nice job.

>>725393571 (OP)

Try again. Both are in shitty shape at the moment.

FFXIV's player count is diminishing due to a mediocre expansion and behind the scene's WoW's corporate greed is one again ruining the game to disgusting levels.

>>725401936
It's really cool that I can respond to a post saying "its barely an mmo" and then some other jackoff thinks I'm beating up a strawman for reading, processing, and responding to that information

>>725402075
Personally I think it's funny that you responded to a post saying "it's barely an mmo" and instead of challenging that argument at all you had to imagine a strawman to point at. It seems to suggest that you can't actually challenge that argument, which is a very funny implication.

>>725402196
ChatGPT

>>725402232
Hey, look, you did it again! LMAO, gets me every time!

Okay, no joke. Is the game dead compared to its peak or did it lose like 10% of the players or something? genuinely

>>725402316
Latest numbers.
Next census will show a continued decline, but the one after that will start swinging upwards because doomGAWDS wrapped our meaty claws around Yoshitpiss's throat and made him fix part of the game.

>>725401106
Is Kate still their lore consultant though?

>>725402316
WoW and coof bubbles popped so there was a population downturn. Financials data released pretty recently shows FFXIV is still more profitable than it was during Shadowbringers. Can trace a line on LuckyBancho player censuses, there's still a general population upswing from where it was going up on the way from Stormblood. Probably the financials are the biggest piss-off for some of the game's "reee fix it fix it fix everything" posters since LuckyBancho gets correlated with overall game health, and financial data completely smashes that correlation

>>725402517
Source?

>>725402394
I never stopped to think just how fast ARR moved.

they have to make improvements to their engine, otherwise they're fucked.

>>725393698
He just posted facts again

>>725402530
the source for that question is 4chan /v/

>>725402647
OP was accidentally prescient

>>725393571 (OP)
>one year ago
>everyone loves FFXIV and hates WoW
Anon... Endwalker was four years ago. Shadowbringers was six years ago.

>>725402517
She didn't take the time to UHM ACKSHUALLY grummz or asmongold laughing at her on twitter, so she's either fully gone and can't humiliate them with facts, or SE told her to shut the fuck up.

>>725393571 (OP)
>inb4 pruned

why are mods such manchildren

I will never even consider resubbing until I see some kind of confirmation by kate herself that she not longer works at SE.

>>725402704
last one was a sjw shitflinging thread

>>725402709
this is it.

>>725402704
Abel didn't like the last one so it went bye bye.

>>725402709
That’s never going happen and you’re the dumbest nigger in the thread hoping for that.

>>725402683
Considering she nuked her socials after getting called out for agreeing with some call to violence it makes sense.

Awktrail and modding have been more fun to engage with than anything the devs put out this expansion. Grim.

I am a lalafell, and proud, I'm friendly with everyone though I'm a fan of the stormblood mol tribe they are very kind.

>>725393571 (OP)
xiv overall has been a better experience than WoW but the latest expansion fumbled spectacularly
and because of that the mostly reactionary anons will respond as if there is nothing but hate for xiv until the next expansion either fixes or doubles down on every problem

>>725403126
I wouldn't even say it fumbled, it just kinda exists.

>>725402316
dead in the sense of...you will never see a new player start if you start right now and getting a party will be hard outside peak hours

>>725403126
The rules can be bent....if your a lalafell, lalafells give lalafells the big money contracts, lalafells hire lalafells, lalafells will turn a blind eye to lalafell antics.

>>725393571 (OP)
everyone hates both, including the people who play them

>>725402994
>kate gets fired and has to get a new job
>has to update her social media so people don't call her out or ask her about XIX constantly
you're a retarded tranny as expected, are you one of kate's soldiers? It has a 100% chance of happening if she gets fired.

>>725403343
not even kate's soldiers monitor her twitter the way you're implying her haters do

>>725403343
she deleted everything including linked in like 2 months ago

>>725401426
I'm not trying to say XIV's core gameplay is toothless but it lacks a lot of the fundamental things that make it an MMORPG, which is the regular definition of an MMO. It is, technically speaking, a multiplayer game that can have a semi-massive number of players, but it is about as much of an RPG as a moba or hero shooter where you literally just have an infinitesimally larger number to get every few months or a new skillset that barely changes your character function outside of how you the player interact with it

>>725403402
You're not even making a point, she would 1000% publicly clarify she doesn't work for SE anymore if she stopped. She doesn't have enough money to retire and disappear you deranged faggot. Given the number of people who hate XIV there's going to be someone checking everyday for sure.

>>725403196
nah id def say it fumbled, they basically rehashed what was already the weakest of the main story expansions and made it worse by devoting every important story beat to character that no one cared about

>>725403523
This bar graph doesn't mean anything to me, I don't think it's horrible and I don't think it's particularly good either.

>>725403505
>She doesn't have enough money to retire and disappear you deranged faggot
Her parents are actually very wealthy and own a lot of land in Colorado I'm sure you shocked to hear that a commie is wealthy so she might be able to NEET.

i've said it before and ill say it again
this whole pivot thing square is doing is too little too late

>>725403268
even greedy bastards like lalafells are not immune to feminine wiles and tataru is a women of many wiles

>>725403602
Its the Square way. I can't wait to see how the shift to AI automation is going to fuck them.

>>725403602
the whole trying to make FF feel like a living, functional brand is about 12 years too late, so its below par for course that SE would realize a business decision was actually hurting them within about 4 years

>>725403602
Because they didn't want to do it, they were forced by market reality. Meaning their accountants were pushing their President to nuke their entire Western Branches or the entire company was going to go up in flames.
It's total desperation.

>>725403602
When they're not doing anything and people like it, they need to shake things up, it's clearly rotten underneath the surface.
When they're not doing anything and I don't like it, they need to heel-turn instantly or it's all over.
When they're changing things and I like it, it's not good enough.
When they're changing things and I don't like it, they should cater to me instead.

>>725403602
what do you mean by "pivot"? What are they doing?

>>725403985
Firing their entire NA, UK and EU staff including their Californian branch and head of Square Enix NA who was responsible for all the woke messaging and pushing over recent years.

KATE IS GONE
WOOOOOOOO

>>725403985
Downsizing foreign branches but that's not really XIV-relevant since CS3 may as well be independent or second-party

>>725404092
EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!

>>725404092
where is the proof

>>725404197
Read the thread >>725401106

>>725403683
Hancock property

>>725404130
It's indirectly related because the NA branch pushed Dawntrail and representation, all the 'representation' in voice actors matching characters for the English version was direct from John Heinecke the NA head of Square Enix and as a result we in the English version got Sena as Wuk Lamat.

>>725393571 (OP)
i dont think i could ever resub to xiv after yoship deleted my medium plot house because apparently the "activity" trigger is actually going inside the house and not just logging in
funnily enough about a month or two ago i got an email saying my FCs house was getting demolished too so the sentiment against the game does not go unshared
and even if i did resub after quitting halfway through endwalker's patches id have to go through hours and hours and hours of lion tranny slop as seen here >>725403523
/shrug the game is dead to me

>>725393571 (OP)
XIV is unironically in its recovery period.

>>725404268
that isn't concrete proof that kate is gone, as much as i wish it was true

>>725403581
it demonstrates that Wuk Lmao has more lines than almost every character in game, some that have been in the game since launch, despite only being present for a single expansion. She has more lines in a single expansion than any other character, including Alphinaud who was essentially the WoL's Navi for 3.5 expansions.

>>725404268
vague statements are not proof

>>725404320
Kate Cwynar handles (handled) voice direction as localization head, and CS3 demands you live in Tokyo if you're to work there

If we were to follow the idea that all non-Japan regional staff, heads and localization branches have vanished, there goes all of the existing stage actors lifted from Game of Thrones, in addition to the stinky dumb brown people and Am*ricans I don't like

>>725404571
Who do you think hired Kate Cwynar?

>>725404473
>>725404547
she got replaced
that's good enough

>>725404545
I can't be any clearer that I really do not care about this. I don't think Dawntrail is particularly good or bad. This hot-button issue has little or no bearing on my own opinion.

>>725404276
hancock is clearly the bottom

>>725404594
koji fox probably

>>725404734
ok tranny, keep us posted.

>>725404734
It also showcases the overall writing bloat of the game since stormblood
You can keep saying you don't care but I think you're just really bad at acting defensive

>>725404734
You pretty obviously care about it which is why you always reply to that graph with some level of seethe about why it doesn't matter.

>>725404861
Koji promoted her, John hired her.

>>725393571 (OP)
What is the relationship between lala fans and lowlander fans?

>>725393571 (OP)
My theory is that all the WoWfugees who fled to FFXIV tried classic WoW and remembered that real MMORPGs are supposed to be RPGs and have some semblance of socialization and character progression. FFXIV has just been reskinned modern WoW since ARR. There was some hope for the game but it was quickly patched out during Heavensward.

>>725405003
lust

>>725404861
>>725404959
>Kate gets hired into the localization team AND promoted to lead localizer just months after John got hired
Pure cohencidence, I'm sure.

>>725404734
Then stop injecting yourself into the discourse. Nobody cares that you don't care.

>>725405103
what discourse

>>725403505
Anon I need you to stop being obsessed with some random bitch on the internet

>>725405154
>pilpul
You lost.

>>725405154
Brain yourself you fucking troglodyte.

>>725405003
shortstacks

>>725405034
Exactly, this John Heinecke getting shitcanned is not really getting the attention it should but it's huge, massive even. He was the guy who initiated Square Enix pride marches, he was the guy who promoted pride into Square Enix, he was very much trying to inject American identity politics into the culture of Square Enix.
You could say so was Kate and a bunch of other people but the difference with this John Heinecke, he had the position and job title to do it as head of the NA branch of Square Enix.

>>725405169
The Kate and Sena Bryer obsessions fall into crystal clarity when you make the connection that these people are still fighting Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu in their heads, and the new two are just proxies for that.

>>725405303
Kate was the symptom, John was the cause. John getting fired might be the best thing to happen to SE this decade.

>>725405169
>>725405403
>replying to yourself
ultimate tranny cringe.

>>725405417
Completely agree and I have a feeling that John was protecting Kate and those like her and as soon as he was fired, the protection that Kate and those community managers had was gone.

>>725405154
Probably these retard talking about the nigga who got shot in the neck and made into a t shirt lol

Final Fantasy XIV?

>>725394010
lol what are you smoking? People may hate FFXIV now but they sure as shit don't love WoW. Even the people I know who actively play WoW don't love WoW.

>>725393571 (OP)
we hate both now. both are dead troon games made by out of touch retards (featuring troons)

>>725405559
Read the thread.
>>725404320

>>725405008
>My theory is that all the WoWfugees who fled to FFXIV tried classic WoW
Nah, the exodus to FFXIV happened during Shadowlands which came out near the end of 2020. Classic has already been out for like 1,5 years. People have already tried Classic when they moved to XIV.

>>725405664
Localizer drama is not actually video games.

>>725405719
>people that work on video games are not related to video games

>>725405719
It's hardly drama when it had a very real impact on the game.

>>725405559
>>725405719
>seething insanely hard because people are discussing the rightful downfall of the tranny DEI devs of a game

>>725405792
Now you're getting it.

>>725405403
>IT'S THE FRICKIN GOOBER GATORS!!!
Please keep flailing.

>>725405008
classic wow was an atrocity to anyone who played the real thing, it had a huge player falloff after release

>>725405837
Yeah, I get that you're a retard.

>>725405792
>>725405826
>>725405835
I do not care about your culture war drama and I’m 99% sure none of you faggots even play FFXIV to care about about it and just attack what ever streamer or twitter faggot tell you to.

>>725405719
>video games aren't video games
BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>725405417
Now they need to get rid of the community teams for games like FFXIV and FXI. Full of pozzed people and FFXIV has a chance of surviving.

>>725406124
One of them is crying about getting called a Gamergater and for some reason has a post-it board of times he's seen Gamergate mentioned disparagingly

That's how you know they're winning the culture war

>>725406124
>I do not care about your culture war drama
If you don't care about culture war drama then you would be celebrating the removal of someone who exclusively used her position as a VIDEO GAME developer to do exactly that.
>I’m 99% sure none of you faggots even play FFXIV to care about about it
Can you prove you play the game? Do it right now.

>>725406124
>Trying to deflect the people who hurt the game being fired all into drama
You've already proven you didn't read the thread and are retarded so you can stop replying.

>>725406279
Oh hey you're that Botanist botter

>>725406356
Oh hey, you can't prove you play the game so you try to shitfling and derail instead. Isn't that interesting?

>>725406413
"You don't play this game" cries the Botanist botter, coming back from /gpose to clear his "You gathered 60 dandelion asses" messages

>>725406472
>gets BTFO and has no response.
Embarrassing.

>>725406279
No you see Kate and John Heinecke using their position to further culture war goals you see that's not drama it's them doing their job.
But we who are celebrating their firing because they hurt the game, it's just drama because they did such an amazing job, they were truly beneficial towards FFXIV and Square Enix that the company isn't in fact bleeding money and FFXIV isn't bleeding players due to decisions made by these people.

>>725393571 (OP)
EW concluded the story, DT came out and had a lackluster MSQ, and they lost peoples attention when the pandemic had long passed. This conversation has happened a billion times now, it doesn't go any deeper than that.

>>725405403
frank who is literally a zogbot politician, they have as much relevancy as any other grifter who surgically attached themselves to gg as it stopped being about journalism and turned into a cultural shitshow

>>725406472
I don't bot, and I'm also not gathering right now because I'm planning out new glamours for the patch. Isn't it interesting that you still can't prove you play the game after challenging others on that very thing?

Llamatodd is a schizo and friends with some peeps from /vg/, tried to get some people from the thread "c-c-c-canceled!" after people found out his old secret pedo account.

>>725406356
ffxiv players are so dumb it hurts, everyone bots in MMOs to do other thing in real life while it does mundane tasks for you

>>725406279
Kill yourself I want you and everyone like you to get ass cancer and die

>>725406283
>online game dies
>complain
>online game doesn't die
>complain

>>725406851
Ya seethe?

>>725406910
I’m not seething anon I’m just stating my feelings, you should die

>>725406991
Yes, I understand you're seething because you're a culture warrior bitch who doesn't play video games and who lost.

>>725394010
>Yeah I'm retarded and mixed the games on the second half, you fuckers get what I meant, c'mon.
>>now
>>everyone hates FFXIV and loves WoW
no, now everyone hates WOW & the new XIV expansion and loves XIV

SQUEENIX MASS LAYOFFS OF WESTERN STAFF AND MOVING ALL DEV BACK TO JAPAN

FF IS HEALING

>>725407231
CEL-E-BRATE GOOD TIMES
COME ON!

>>725393571 (OP)
DT is a permanent stain on the MSQ and people just don't care anymore. The gameplay isn't worth talking about either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxn2O4g5HQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfqxHUpMyVg

>>725407231
>western devs gone
:)
>replaced with Indians
:(

>>725407317
Best thing to do is finally allow an MSQ skip that puts the player at 8.0 start

>>725407326

king's honor friend

>>725402523
Only actual person posting seriously instead of shit and doom posting.
Thank you.

>>725406687
Who?

>>725407484
Don't you ever think about how sad it is that you have to pretend to have people agree with you?

why are all the mods in this game so tasteless that it's almost comical with bimbos and caked up makeup everywhere
at least outside vfx mods and even many of those are way over the top, it'd make a kmmo blush

>>725407231
>FFXIV will now be uninfected with Californian and London LGBTQ types using their jobs to push for 'Diversity, Inclusion and Equity
I just want my game back and this is a major win so I'll take it.

>>725406865
FFXI infamously got shafted due to XIV's original development, and its remake, because S-E can't organize their teams to work on more than one thing at a time.

>>725407484
>caring about some perceived "balanced" discussion on /v/
XIV is dying trannyslop, you need to let that sink in. You can keep ERPing with your fellow fags in game, but the majority no longer cares about the game and are not coming back.

>>725406279
The fun thing about when you do prove you play the game, as you did, is that the person demanding proof will instantaneously vanish. Or they'll go and pivot to some other complaint. Or just really get salty like >>725406991 did for some reason.

>I doubt you even play the game
>"I do, see?"
>FUCK YOU DIE OF CANCER DIE DIE DIE REEEEEE

>>725407659
You gotta be the change you want to do. The modbeasts really want their shit so they are motivated to do so. Someone with more mundane expectations is happier with the vanilla content.

How would (you) fix FFXIV?

If the next expansion has some teeth this will be a plus

>>725393571 (OP)
The only modern WoW shit I liked was Season of Discovery and they killed that shit by Phase 2. I think that I took my first, honest to god break in Shadowbringers and no longer cared about capping tomes and other shit. Only did 1 month of Dawntrail and a free weekend and frankly don't feel the game anymore. I mostly play singleplayer games and occasionally OSRS now

>>725393571 (OP)
>everyone hates FFXIV and hates WoW
and
>everyone hates WoW and loves FFXIV
TBC legion and whatever boomer shit you played is overrated, and you only have a good opinion of it because you had fun in pvp or with your dudebros
the only good part of ffxiv is the garlean empire in stormblood and the emet selch in shadowbringers/endwalker
the scions are SHIT.
mmos have been stagnant for decades

This isn't the win you fucks who hate ffxiv and SE think it is. They are cutting the fat and all dei shit will just now be internalized in Japan's offices where they can closely manage the localization better.

>>725408276
Make the older content more difficult and engaging. When the only really fun content is your most recent expansion, maybe the 2nd most recent, it makes it a chore to do roulettes. The problem is people being paint-eating retards and complaining about difficulty, but consider that their complaints may be empty air. More important is a measure of engagement. So do this in a patch as a test run, see the playercount engagement of it versus not.

One idea is Mutations to roulette dungeons
Randomized. Ideally always random, not weekly change random.
"Every charge-up enemy attack now does knockbacks"
"Enemies do poison attacks"
"Everybody gets 2 random lost abilities a'la Bozja."
"Trash mobs are replaced with XYZ Mobs"
"Your party has haste"
"Autoheal is disabled"
That sort of shit.

I'd love patrols like in POTD but the dungeon maps don't work with that.

>>725393571 (OP)
>Unironically what happened?
the gays

>>725406279
>gpose
fag detected

>>725408887
No

>>725408887
>One idea is Mutations to roulette dungeons
>Randomized. Ideally always random, not weekly change random.
>"Every charge-up enemy attack now does knockbacks"
>"Enemies do poison attacks"
>"Everybody gets 2 random lost abilities a'la Bozja."
>"Trash mobs are replaced with XYZ Mobs"
>"Your party has haste"
>"Autoheal is disabled"
>That sort of shit.
M+ is gay

>>725409027
NTA but been playing for like 10 years and still don’t know how to use it

>>725408887
They could at least let you use your entire kit when entering older dungeons and just make an alternative skill for being scaled down past the level that unlocks it. Yeah, getting Satasha is a free roulette but people that have played the game from ARR to Dawntrail don't want to go back to content when only 3 of their buttons are usable.

>>725408887
I just want them to unlock your entire kit for low level content if you're already level 100. Who gives a shit that the scrubs can't do Tenri Jindo or w/e, maybe that'd incentivize them to keep playing so they too can do the cool stuff I'm doing.

>>725408624
>They are cutting the fat and all dei shit will just now be internalized in Japan's offices where they can closely manage the localization better
No it won't, it will be cut entirely. It is the win we think it is. The main reason the former Blizzard Executive John Heinecke was hired as Chief publishing officer of Square Enix North America was to get the company ESG compliant for Blackrock and Vanguard loan money.
However both Blackrock and Vanguard scaled back their ESG loans, the money isn't there anymore and the purpose of people like John and his entire division is subject to requirement.

>>725409027
As I said in an earlier post, I'm putting together new glamours. My camera is tilted at a high angle to give me better views of the game world, so I have to go into gpose to angle down and see what boots I'm trying on without fucking up the angle I'm used to.
Also, gposing is fun and you can make some cool stuff. I've made a few custom XIV wall scrolls.

Is it NA primetime right now?

>>725409341
>unlock your entire kit for low level content
No thanks, ignoring old power-progression and giving yourself an advantage over the sprout you're running dungeons with is silly

>>725409341
>do low level roulette content sync'd from 100
>Jimbo Jones the new player has a two button combo to deal damage
>Candice Owens the lvl100 Miqote DRG in slutgam has to still do a minute long rotation to do the same damage due to how S-E scaled it down

>>725408624
It's really hilarious that you think the people celebrating see it as somehow damaging to XIV and SE, despite everyone saying the opposite. It shows what extreme levels of delusional white knighting you're on. You're gonna have to find a new job.

>enter FFXIV thread
>DEI blackrock ESG trannies woke white knight
Who let the /pol/ crossies in?

>>725409524
>>725409559
Yeah idc just make it scale properly and it's fine.

>>725393571 (OP)
Wowfag fucked up his op lmao what a retard

>>725408887
>"Autoheal is disabled"
Gonna make the healer earn that commendation

>>725409648
Are you okay? Ready to prove you play the game yet?

>>725406754
>everyone bots in MMOs to do other thing in real life
What?

>>725409524
>>725409559
>join Tamtara as a lv 100 DRG
>little Timmy Forker with his scraggly tree branch LNC is there
>he sees me use BIG DRAGON DILDO FUCKOFF SMASHER
>"wow what was that?"
>"It unlocks at level 77, look forward to it"
>little Timmy Forker now has something to look forward to
Why is this a bad thing?

>instead of massively investing resources back into the game when the numbers gone up, waste money and manpower on retardness like FFXVI or FFXIV mobile or some other shit
>have no meaningful, time-worth-investing content in the game for 2 expansions since bozjan
>release the worst expansion ever in the game history after all this
>"purizu understando"
>the game massively drops the numbers but still holds up due to social ERP spergs paying their cucksub in order to keep their house or to dress up their catgirls, that require no content and will pay the sub just because
>for first time in the game history, cast a banhammer on a third party addon that is mare synchronos that ERP spergs use massively, making the game further decline into abyss
does he have some sort of master plan or he's just retarded