Thread 725409924

The only shooter to apply action/fighting game fundamentals where attacking and reloading is an act of commitment and a risk you can get punished for. Then the added wrinkle of shooting body parts for stuns and melee attacks having i-frames that rewards you for playing aggressively, again encouraging risk management. Of course normalfags and western game designers are retarded so these things immediately got removed for being "unrealistic" even though they're actually genius

>>725409924 (OP)
Uh...Dead Space

>>725409924 (OP)
https://youtu.be/D-SQqppuGvc?si=ajCxQE0G7mnzf7Vj

>>725409924 (OP)
Based. It's why I still play this game, often the GC version, to this day at least once every few years.

Good post. Also, as much as I like RE5, I really like dislike the addition of quick inventory reloading. It's kinda fun to be able to reload in the middle of a melee attack animation, but it also removes the need to reload manually , so that whole dynamic from RE4 is completely gone, which sucks. I really don't think we'll ever get another TPS as well designed as OG RE4, sadly.

RE4 works so well, because it was built on the fundamentals of original RE1-3.
That stationary, "turret-like" aiming and shooting was there already in 1996, and created this perfect risk-vs-reward design whenever you decided to engage enemies.

>>725409924 (OP)
exactly. Never have i ever again had as much fun playing a shooter. Why the fuck don't devs understand shooting specific parts to do funny shit like suplexes or to just stun an enemy in a predictable way are just fun mechanics?

>>725409924 (OP)
Nah its entirely because zoomers are incapable of focusing on anything slower than the average cod lobby.

>>725411187
Gears of War was inspired by RE4 and only came out a year afterwards

>>725411679
Crazy to think it would have just been a boring Unreal style shooter if it weren't for RE4 and the team playing paintball together. Turned into a masterpiece.

>>725409924 (OP)
Idunno what any of that means but it sounds a little retarded, and yeah, a little gay. You just shoot the bad guy and pick up the item.

>ITT: OP is a pseudointellectual retard and tries to act like RE4 is some kind of masterpiece of game design and not just a normalfag-ification of the previous RE games that sent the series on a downward spiral into action mediocrity for over a decade.
Also, the game doesn't 'reward' you for anything. It's piss easy and gives nigh infinite ammo even if you intentionally ignore the completely broken melee finishers.

>>725409924 (OP)
it holds up shockingly well , the aiming system is great and the gunplay feels so impactful. I just couldnt enjoy re4make because of the changes it made. Enemies are bullet sponges that grab spam so much it made melee attacks horrible to preform. They also felt way more difficult to stun reliably to even consider going to them anyway. Re4 only needed a quick weapon swap option added to be perfect

>>725411679
>inspired by re4
What?

>>725414208
Its difficult to understand today because re4 is just 'an archaic retro video game' but basically everything that you think is normal game design in the modern day was introduced radically in re4. The game genuinely changed the landscape of action gaming overnight.

>>725414512
I guess I never thought of it that way, but thats true.

>>725409924 (OP)
Kinda unrelated but I really love that God Hand almost plays exactly like RE4 but as a brawler
Old Capcom was really something else man

>>725415072
>Kinda unrelated but I really love that God Hand almost plays exactly like RE4 but as a brawler
Makes sense considering it was made on the same engine and directed by the same guy.
Shame it sold like horseshit

>>725415072
never get old

>>725409924 (OP)
isn't that the thing wanted dead tried to do

>>725414208
the third person over the shoulder perspective and "heaviness" of movement (in contrast to Quake/UT/or even Halo) with commitment to actions inspired Gears of War

>>725409924 (OP)
we get it faggot you watch the electric underground religiously

>>725414208
Every single OTS game copied RE4. The only game before RE4 that even had an OTS camera was Splinter Cell and it was only when shooting.

Every game with reloading punishes you for reloading by having you have to reload, literally what game is it not a commitment, well other than RE1-3 where you do it in the menu

>>725409924 (OP)
For once in my lifetime, OP is not a faggot. Good shit. Have a bump of some herbs.

>>725410082
You can move whilst shooting/reloading in Dead Space, read the OP again and pay attention this time.

>>725416991
wanted dead has worse melee than re4 even though your main weapon is a katana

>>725409924 (OP)
>>725410082
The real genius behind RE4 and Dead Space is that the aiming systems were so advanced. Every other third-person shooter has you controlling a reticule in the center, making it feel like you're aiming a box-shaped camera. In these games, the laser sight can be moved all across the screen away from the center, making it feel like you are in control of Leon and Isaac's hands and arms, not some disembodied camera man standing behind them. It made combat feel more visceral and it made the overall feel much more immersive. This isn't even super complicated stuff but many people these days will refuse to wrap their heads around it.

>>725414208
what year were you born in. be honest. i promise i won't get mad.

>>725411679
>Gears of War was inspired by RE4
nope it was killswitch

>>725421063
Cliff Bleszinski said it was inspired both by RE4 and Killswitch

>>725409924 (OP)
It's what Mork vindicates but you all keep hating

>>725421063
they literally mentioned RE4 in interviews back in '07 retard, even when that game was 2 years old people were still obsessing over it, probably because the ps2 port released in '06

>>725418810
RE4 reload times were slow by 2005 standards, pretty sure default reload times in GoW and Dead Space were faster but I don't have the spreadsheets on me

>>725421870
killswitch included a cover system just like gears of war

>>725422015
this is not a contradiction. one game is allowed to be inspired by more than one other game.

>>725409924 (OP)
Remake was better

>>725422269
of RE2, yes.

>>725422068
In kill switch you can shoot while moving
even the camera in modern third person shooters is more similar to the kill switch camera

>>725422424
that's stunning and brave. how does it change the fact that gears of war was explicitly inspired by resident evil 4?

The fact that people seriously consider RE4 to be some super old unapproachable archaic relic is fucking outlandish to me. I can remember when it came out and people were calling it an action game piece of shit designed for mainstream audiences. I don't agree with that, it's just bizarre to see the "normalfag trash" of the past be considered hardcore retro gaming today.

>>725422680
you think that's crazy just wait til you hear what kids say about half life 2

>>725409924 (OP)
The feedback from enemies reacting in a consistent manner to every shot feels rewarding at first. In the long run though it makes the game totally uninteresting because all challenge and danger is removed. Dead space is still the goat for integrating that system in a much more engaging way. Dead space is the perfect blend between consistent reactions but also requiring increased commitment and not instant gratification and thus triviality. Rem4ke is better than the OG and any dead space game because it turns out that rng>consistency. The rng health and stun triggere in Rem4ke force you to make decisions bullet by bullet rather than being able to literally plan out an entire room like you are playing a turn based game in the OG.

If you really are hardstuck on the OG they made a whole genre of games that predate the OG you would love to play: rail shooters. Don't try to ruin 3ps by whining for your overly casual crutch ganeplay. Go play the genre built around what you are asking for more of.

>OH HERRO HERE IS CHINESE GAME FOR CHING CHONG
\heh normie posting...

>>725422481
how?
The camera and the movement are not similar at all.
resident evil 4 was not that influential

>>725422862
hahahahahahahaha

very funny, anon

haahahahahaha.

>>725422680
It's not hard to approach, it's literally babbies first shooting game. That's not a diss on re4, it is an exemplary entry level title. There just is zero challenge to be found if you've ever played a game where aiming is involved. What's truly bizarre is long term fandom not admitting that the elements which make it beginner friendly also make it uninteresting for skilled players. But there really are two types of gamers: gamers which play games to challenge themselves and overcome a challenge and gamers who just want to power trip and face zero adversity or failure. The latter are disgusting and far more numerous. Their opinions on game design should never be catered to.

>>725422332
All remake are superior

>muh difficulty
i grew up with an nes, this is not cute or funny anymore

>>725409924 (OP)
RE4 is just a fun fucking game. Is it ball-crushingly hard? Nah it's not hard at all, but who the fuck would want to add needless artificial difficulty in place of fun? Dumbshits.

>>725423153
Greetings from America, my first language is English. What's yours?

>>725423093
>there really are two types of gamers: gamers which play games to challenge themselves and overcome a challenge and gamers who just want to power trip and face zero adversity or failure
I knew many people growing up who owned and enjoyed Ninja Gaiden and Donkey Kong, so this is a retarded take. You're probably still in puberty with the whole "LOOK AT ME SO TOUGH AND MATURE" phase, no?

>>725421970
Sure but RE4 enemies are also comically slow. They can move fast, but they slow down to walking pace once they get within about 5-10m of you.

>>725413045
Og Re4 is clearly a game that was meticulously designed and balanced around everything Leon could do
The enemies, thier actions and reactions to being hit, the guns and their balancing, everything
Remake 4 tried to sloppily apply Remake 2s mechanics into Re4s set pieces and its clear that Capcom didnt put as much effort into the balancing of how that actually works
I enjoyed Remake 4 well enough, but its just inherently flawed in a way that Re4 isnt, to the point that I am genuinely surprised at how much the remake gets praised here on /v/

>>725422680
It's piss easy but it has tank controls so uncs can pretend that kids today couldn't possibly beat it because of that.

>>725410082
Dead space is a masterpiece in its own right but I wouldn't put it anywhere near RE4 mechanically.

>>725423461
I don't think 33 is puberty age. What the fuck does owning ninja gaiden and donkey kong have to do with anything? Those are two very big fish in what was once a very small pond. Would you think there was any significant conclusion to draw from someone owning SM64 and golden eye?

>>725409924 (OP)
>played RE4 for the first time ever last year
>enjoyed it thoroughly
>played RE5 for the first time right after
>thoroughly enjoyed it
>tried to go back and play 4 again
>couldnt enjoy it at all
5 controls so much smoother, 4 feels so tight and restricted

>>725423809
To offset the rng involved in the rem4ke the devs gave you a parry and made ducking a reactable option to grabs. You are still just as invincible in rem4ke as you were in the OG you just actually have to adapt to enemy behavior rather than being able to invalidate enemy behavior entirely.

>>725422680
Welcome to your thirties.

>>725424327
the remake is more rng with enemies randomly not getting stunned when you shoot them in the head.

>>725414208
please say syke...

>>725414208
>>725422862
you have to be 18 to post here

>>725424327
Parrying might have been a decent balance for rng stuns but your knife breaks too easily so I still consider it inherently more flawed than the original
And the blooming reticle
If youre backed into a corner surrounded by Ganados and youre knife is broke and you happen to get fucked by the rng and Leons sluggish fire speed theres no way out of the situation and its hard to blame that entirely on yourself
Meanwhile in the same situation in the original youre always allowed an out in that situation as long as youre good enough to pull it off, if you fuck up there its entirely your fault
Also fuck ammo crafting and my attache case getting filled to the brim with literal garbage

>>725409924 (OP)
nu-/v/:
>modern games are all soulless slop
also nu-/v/:
>loves the game that’s the reason the gaming industry sucks now

>>725430230
This is like blaming the Godfather for popularizing movie sequels. RE4 was and always will be kino

>>725409924 (OP)
idk bro it was pretty easy.

>>725430631
the remake was hard for all the wrong reasons

>>725409924 (OP)
one of those games thats so good even with its flaws that it makes other games look bad

Og 4 is a good game. But it literally is piss easy and basically a solved game. It was also never really designed to be challenging.
Ive played it to death across multiple different platforms over the years but I prefer rem4ke now because it actually presents a challenge. Ive gotten s+ rank runs in that game down to do them back to back, and it is now my go-to time killer game.
The rem4ke made capcom get their head out of their ass and make a proper good action horror experience instead of whatever bullshit they were doing with remak3 and village.

>>725428915
Don't get backed into a corner, then. If a game lets you go full retard and not get punished, that's not a merit.

>>725431109
Youre straight up lying you claim it hasnt happened before in either game and its a good thing that Re4 is designed in such a way to get out of those situations reliably so long as you're skilled enough to do it
Easy way to dismiss remake critisisms though sure

Literally nobody complained about RE4 being "too easy" until the remake came out where they had to overtune the AI and hitstun insanely hard because being able to move and shoot breaks RE4's design and now remake fags have to defend this shit. Neither game is especially difficult below proffessional due to its very forgiving adaptive difficulty

>>725409924 (OP)
Uhm RE dead aim

>>725430230
why didn't they copy re4 properly instead of making inferior sloppa

>>725409924 (OP)
The remake removed the depth out of reloading. In the original reloading at the wrong time could mean death since you were stationary and couldn't cancel out of it. It created a relationship of risk and decision-making in the gameplay. But thanks to the remake allowing you to move out of harm's way even while reloading, there's no longer any decision-making associated with reloading. You always move while reloading. Why wouldn't you? It's now nothing more than a momentary halt in the action.

There's a webm of MatthewMatosis playing OG4 and it shows him dying because he reloaded when chainsaw guy was right in front of him. If this was the remake, he would've just moved out of the way and suffered no consequences.

>>725431504
Pretty much this, the real complaining was that it was too action-y. Many people thought it was harder than many classic REs, which it was, since 2 and 3 are braindead simple, but they were fine with it.

>A blazillion ports of re4
>the mercenaries from the ps2 port never got expanded upon in any of the posterior ports

I want ten to twenty new mercenaries maps. And new characters. And gyro aiming on switch.

>>725431893
No version after the PS2 one added more content unless you count the new controls for the Wii version

>>725432047
that's what I said

>>725431893
they didn't even bother making the awful looking pre-rendered PS2 cutscenes in later versions run in-game like the GC ones, the main dev team clearly moved on after the ps2.

>>725409924 (OP)
>babby's first RE
>Skyrim of RE
RE4 is where the franchise turned to shit. Absolute self-indulgent chuunibyou 2kool4skool weeb writing. Hordes of dumb monsters coming at you with virtually unlimited ammo. Absolute cringe dialogues, one-liners. Aura farming scenes. Style over substance flashy action trash.

The O.G, classic REs are actually campy. It's like an homage to B-movies, just like how the FMV intro looks and feels like Sam Raimi Super 8 films. RE4 is responsible for the direction they took for RE5 and fucking RE6. Weeb games were absolutely awful in this era. They're all so fucking cringe as if they were written by and for 16 y.o edgelords. YoshiP, Kojima, KuboTits, whoever the fuck behind Gayden and DMC they all fit these "stuck in 16y.o edgelord" phase.

>>725432459
>they all fit these "stuck in 16y.o edgelord" phase.
but enough about literally all video games

>>725431893
what's different about the ps2 mercs? i recall it being worse to get high scores on because it can only show like 6 enemies on screen, while every other version can show 7

>>725432728
I can't remember the last one I completed was on switch. Five stars with every characters despite no gyro aiming.
tfw still got it

People just used the TMP which had like 250 bullets in a magazine by the end of the game, 1-2 bullets were enough to kill enemies if you knew the mechanics.

>>725433173
tmp is bad and makes it less likely that the rng drops are the actual good ammo like shotgun and sniper

>>725409924 (OP)
Fuck off Mork.

>>725409924 (OP)
You're doing the autist thing if being like "wow this is my favourite thing so everything has to be like it, if you aren't like my favourite thing you're SHIT!"

Judge games as their own thing, don't play fucking Halo and go "uh why isn't this like RE4?"

>>725434853
Extremely disingenuous post seeing as modern AAA games are all pushed towards a more generic playstyle, including the RE4 remake

>>725410523
i went down the rabbit hole is the GC version really better looking than the modern remaster from 10~ years ago?

>>725435264
No. There's even a proper full HD mod you can download that's superb.

>>725409924 (OP)
It's a top 3 game of all time. A timeless classic

>>725435264
>i went down the rabbit hole is the GC version really better looking than the modern remaster from 10~ years ago?

The original RE4 PC version by Ubisoft is absolute horseshit with completely broken lighting, one of the worst PC ports of all time
The re-released PC version (Ultimate Edition) is the base for all future ports, is pretty solid all things considered, updated textures are generally good with a few wonky ones
But really if you're on PC there's no reason not to play with the HD project mod, it's so good

>>725410523
The Switch HD port is genuinely embarrassing, even after the update. I'm talking a full five seconds to open your inventory. Sometimes the music just stops while it's loading. And any time a cutscene has a QTE, the video lags and the audio gets out of sync. Then the video has to catch up for the QTE to trigger. How can you fuck up so badly? It's a two decade old game. Imagine paying for that.

>>725423093
>>725423832
Play Professional

>>725409924 (OP)
yup

All of that gets ground away for "accessibility" and a "wider audience" and you wind up with finely ground slop

>>725426089
>>725428915
stagger resistance exists to stop you retards from abusing one tap melee.
if you're surrounded, CC with grenades/tmp or create an escape path with shotgun.

>>725437302
That's literally the only way I played RE4 after unlocking it. I've played OG RE4 to death, a minimum of however many typewriter slots it has because I was a dumbass kid and didn't rotate saves. It was 1 save file per playthrough and i know I wrapped back around the typewriter. It's stupidly easy on every difficulty.

>>725438461
It's the inconsistency that makes it feel bad.
They should've made only larger weapons or explosions stagger.
That's it. Reliable, consistent and disincentivised by ammo type.
The annoying game of rng maybe is just crap. Could be 1 bullet, could be 12, could be 20 who the fuck knows.

>>725439351
Pistols are guaranteed to stagger within 4 shots.
Like I said the purpose of this is to keep pistols useful at range and 1v1 scenarios but when the odds start stacking against you, you have to make use of the rest of your kit.