Thread 725417887

We need more murder mystery kinos

Mystery stories are worthless if you, as the player, aren't expected to solve them.

its been years and i still have no idea what the story of disco elysium is about

>>725417887 (OP)
That we do. I want to feel hopeless in a world that is against me, within a hair's breadth of drowning the pain in a bottle of bourbon before the reality of life comes crashing down and duty draws me to the surface once more to bring justice in a corrupt system.

>>725417887 (OP)
I really wanted to play LA. Noire but I'm massively autistic and absolutely could not read facial cues whatsoever and had to drop it.

>>725417887 (OP)
>best part of Omikron was the very beginning when you were investigating the police department and your apartment as the intro cop
>best part of Fahrenheit was the first half when you're investigating a murder mystery both from the cops and the culprit's POV
>best part of Heavy Rain was the FBI agent with AR goggles that's dealing with his lethal drug addiction
>best part of Detroit was Connor
What did Cage mean by this? Seriously he should stop fucking around with "muh 'uman emoshion" and stick to crime mysteries (and write non-dogshit endings while he's at it).

>>725418117
it's about how you don't hate women enough

>>725418117
Which part? Tequila Sunrise and Kim Kitsuragi tracking down the actual murderer,or the whole notion of The Pale and what it means for the world?

>>725419891
If Detroit cut out the other two protagonists and focused it on Connor and Hank solving android related homicides in a semi-futuristic Detroit with the android revolution being the backdrop it could've been so kino.

>>725419891
Heavy Rain was pretty damn cool for the time and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

Having to cut off my finger with scissors was one of the few times I actually winced in real life while playing video games.

>>725418025
fpbp
not to mention that a lot of those "mysteries" are just lying to the player/viewer(in case of modern movies) only to reveal some retarded twist that you couldn't have ever predicted

>>725420167
The only issue is that it didn't matter, if you don't cut off your finger than the cop in the alleyway just "happens" to shoot and hit you right in the finger you would have conveniently lost. It's like there isn't even a choice when you replay it

>>725420527
I remember finding it annoying that not choosing the Communist options would give you Fascist points a few times.

>>725417887 (OP)
How is Detroit a murder mystery, considering that there is no mystery at all?

>>725420486
I didn't know that; lazy bastards, probably just didn't want to go to the effort of multiple versions of later scenes

>>725417887 (OP)
I like old classic like Blade Runner and The Last Express

>>725420810
Technically you have the mystery of "why are these robots going deviant and killing humans" that turns out to be a fucking stupid reason that's only revealed in a few endings and overall doesn't change anything about the plot

>>725418117
that becoming a fascist will fix your life at the cost of everything

I'm plotting out a 'closed room' murder mystery for a Normalfag (wives included) D&D campaign, but holy shit are mysteries boring. It's just talking and gossipping.

>>725420749
That's because you're an idiot. You're not "not choosing the Communist option", you're choosing the Fascist option. So it gives you Facist points. The same as if you had "not chosen" the Communist option by choosing the Centrist or UltraLib options.

This particular conversation path needed to be mandatory so people could see that the game is always putting these obvious choices in front of you and how little it actually matters to anything.

>>725417887 (OP)
The greatest kino
https://youtu.be/8qvdAWLcPyU?si=dsRJnW6l_wBBhuXf

>>725421260
I love how this one screenshot baited so many twitter niggers into thinking it was a super serious political game, but the actual in game context for this conversation is annoying an old man into giving you his sandwich.

>>725421104
I mean it's pretty obvious the contempt the game has for the centrists. So in a way the game is calling me a little spineless fence sitter for saying I don't want to grind humans into pigsfeed. Obviously this particular dialogue path is taken to the extreme in all angles, but in the grand scheme of things where the centrist faction is belittled and basically spat on by the devs, why am I being 'punished' for saying I don't want to kill people by being labeled as a faction the devs openly despise? Maybe I just dont get what they were going for, but it was choices like this which was what I was talking about.

>>725418117
It's a love story.

>>725417887 (OP)
>The killer is a character we know nothing about and shows up out of nowhere at the end of the game shiggy diggy waste of time

>>725421849
>killer has to be a character you meet earlier
gay

>>725420486
>>725420891
>the cop in the alleyway just "happens" to shoot and hit you right in the finger you would have conveniently lost
Fairly sure he shoots you in the shoulder. You can reach the end of the game with all of Ethan's fingers intact.

I found Disco to be an alright game, not some masterpiece that a lot try to say it is. But I also played a "boring cop" as they put it because I was actually focusing on trying to solve the murder. Don't even think I got the last of the dream sequences either because I ended up solving it faster than they wanted I guess

>>725421719
How can you not get it, you already articulated it; the game takes every option to the extreme. The part that is tongue in cheek is the 'pigsfeed' part. The part they are mocking is the 'I am very smart' Centrist type people who lambast both sides, but have nothing to contribute themselves.

It's the old image (that I can't find and post) about the peasant saying we should improve society and the retard saying 'AND YET YOU LIVE IN A SOCIETY. I AM VERY INTELLIGENT'

>>725422045
>played in the most boring yeah
>"it was kinda boring"
were your parents siblings?

>>725422045
That's why you replay it as a low INT, high PHY drunken superstar Raphaël Ambrosius Costeau.

I want more detective games with a fun buddy cop dynamic like Hank and Connor.

>>725421726
>the Deserter will actually tell you, with complete sincerity, that he thinks women are inherently bougie
Why is this a failure? A true Red Son of the Revolution knows it to be true.

>>725421719
The game will take the piss at you for being a boring, reasonable centrist because that's boring and being an unhinged lunatic is funnier. Kim is a boring, reasonable centrist (Moralist) and the game never shits on him for it, he's your voice of reason, your conscience and an authority figure. It's a normal and reasonable attitude for people to have about politics when they're just trying to make it day by day.
Mocking you for picking centrists options or being a "Boring Cop" is a way for the game to make those choices more entertaining in itself.

>>725422114
You OK, bubba? Calm down.

>>725421038
If you can't even see what makes it fun and interesting, you're not remotely ready to write a decent murder mystery.

>>725421849
Not every murder mystery is a whodunnit

>>725422289
Harry couldn't say it with confidence

>>725422335
>reasonable centrist
oxymoron

>>725422035
I think during the escape when you don't cut it off the cop can either shoot Ethan in the shoulder, hand, or finger depends on results of previous trials. Only way to avoid any injuries was to get caught still in the room without fleeing

>>725421260
fascism and communism are not mutually exclusive.
Fascism is more like a tool of the rulers, while communism is a form of government, you can use fascism to instigate/perpetuate a communism regime.
the game should always offer you capitalistic options when you reject communism, and libertarian choices if you reject fascism.

>>725422101
Okay, so they aren't necessarily mocking moderates, just people who try and laude around how "le intelligent" they are and want everything to remain exactly the same. That's starting to make more sense. Guess I understood it more than I thought.

>went INT/Logic for first run
>so much so that I didn't even trigger the Horrid Necktie
I implore you all to do at least one cheat max stats run to see the deranged shit that procs (although the failures are just as interesting most of the time)

>>725422045
I had a similar playthrough, skipping the big dream confrontation fit my RP pretty well because I committed to stuffing the binder away and repressing everything about the ex-wife earlier, would have kind of thrown off the pacing to get deep into it again right at the climax

>>725422114
>Hey you should play this detective game
>>Plays as a reasonable detective trying to fix fuck ups and find out what happened
>No not like that
I played it how I wanted to play it, when I feel like I'll play it again, if ever, I'll play it a different way

>>725417887 (OP)
Shadowrun Returns can be considered one.

>>725422498
Essentially, yeah. It's not so much about wanting everything to remain the same, but about having nothing to contribute themselves because they aren't willing (or able) to have a strong enough conviction in their beliefs.

>Your ideas are shit and you are dumb.
>Well, how would you fix it?
>uhhhhhhh

>>725418972
It's tough even for non autismos anon. The facial animations are retarded at times. You're essentially guessing half the time.

>>725422335
>Kim is a centrist (Moralist)
Kim is apolitical and tells you as much.

>>725422596
I did the same, big on INT, Art Cop
It's been long enough that I could do another run sometime, does Psyche and Physique play well together? Vibes-based supernatural meathead cop sounds like a good way to get into some real goofy shit

YOU FUCK YOUNG BOYS, VALDEZ?

>>725422596
The tie is Psyche, isn't it? Go 4/4/2/2 and you trigger it while still being INT focused. The worst part of the predetermined builds is that they leave some stats at 1 and also that the INT one has Encyclopedia as the signature skill which sucks in the long run compared with others like Conceptualization, Visual Calculus or Inland Empire.

>>725422817
Nigga the true critique of Centrism provided by the game is literally "the status quo is the weapon the elites use to oppress the masses". Harry getting picked on for being a fencesitter doesn't enter into it.

>The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.

>>725422936
>Kim is apolitical
Right, a centrist

>>725423059
I like Physique because Shivers is one of the best skills for dialogue and on a 2nd playthrough, you realise it foreshadows a lot of the shit that occurs and that you only find out about later.

Volition/Authority for Psyche are good and pretty relevant to the main story.

>>725423415
No, actually apolitical. He used to be a Moralist. Then he saw what Moralism and the MoralIntern was doing to the city.

He'd absolutely pick the RCM's side in the coming Revolution.

>>725423276
Anon, look at the first three sentences of your quote. Then look what I posted. They have nothing to contribute and hate change BECAUSE they don't have any strong beliefs, I am agreeing with you.

>>725417887 (OP)
read some VNs

>>725417887 (OP)
All frogwares catalog. kino

>>725418117
It's about solving a murder. Politisperging and moping about the past is just a cope, you can't change the world, all you need to to do is help those around you