Thread 725436830

this game is unbelievably good

>>725436830 (OP)
and no longer sold

>>725436830 (OP)

it’s way too hard even for casual playing.

doing the last mission on the night elf campaign is practically impossible for 99% of the modern gamers

>>725436830 (OP)
outside of unit pathfinding, that is, people complained about the dragoons in starcraft but every unit in w3 is like the dragoon but worse

>>725436907
>download copy of your favourite patch from hiveworkshop
>generate CD key (or just use one of the hundreds floating online)
not my problem

>>725437048
I unironically had more trouble with some of the early campaign missions like the human holdout mission where you have to wait for Uther to arrive than that mission

>>725437048
im playing throught the campaign on hard currently and i cant believe how perfectly balanced it is.

>>725436830 (OP)
The campaign was a solid 7.5/10. The multiplayer however was where the games longevity came from. The custom maps via the enhanced map-making tools really cranked up the replayability. Countless hours playing UMS maps.

>>725437190
RoC is all over the place with difficulty. Orc last mission is tutorial difficulty even though it looks intimidating at first glance.
Agreed on TFT though

>>725437361
>The campaign was a solid 7.5/10
name a better RTS campaign

>>725437048
ngl, as a kid who played World of Warcraft first and just wanted to know the story, I ended up playing most of the game with invincibility cheats because I had no idea what I was doing and it kicked my ass. I kind of regret it, but even with that the world and storytelling were fantastic. and I ended up getting really into custom games later on.

I should really give the campaign another go and do it properly.

>>725437156
the last couple of minutes in the hearthglen mission are fucked

>>725437048
Symphony of Frost and Flame was way harder than Twilight of the Gods

>>725436830 (OP)
i don't believe it

Why have we lost the ability to make games like this ?

>>725437672
Corporate interests push for homogeny by chasing trends that make more money from exploitable people.

>>725437672
games started making too much money

>>725437431
wings of liberty
>but le story is le bad
more fun though

>>725437672
loss of intelligence and humanity over time, the budgets go up but devs have no imagination to make the experiences more memorable and unique in proportion, everything stays the same mechanically (or gets even worse) while they just slap a shiny coat of paint on it thinking that more graphics = better

>>725437776
i cant remember a single sc2 level and that's usually how i judge the quality of something

>>725437878
to me the entirety of sc2 was just a big "oh yeah, that happened", might as well have never existed at all

>>725437778
>the budgets go up but devs have no imagination to make the experiences more memorable and unique in proportion

This is partly due to minimum dev team sizes being 100+ people. At Ubisoft they might have 500 people working on the game at any one time across different studios and countries.

In the old days it was 20 guys in an office who hung out all day together. Bouncing an idea off your supervisor was as easy as walking 10ft to his office where you'd have a long discussion about it. These relationships across the smaller team created collaborative bonds and cohesive game vision. Everyone was on the exact same page and knew what the end result should be. With modern studios that's just not the case. You're just a small cog in a leviathan sized machine.

>>725437776
wings of liberty was shit compared to the first Starcraft. Sure graphics cool and the missions were entertaining but the story man was a bore

>>725438204 (me)
also the fact they spread the experience between 3 games was stupid along with the Protoss balance

>>725438006
Diablo, Warcrat & Starcraft are all great IPs but I personally prefer the SC universe as I'm more of a sci-fi guy. You can then imagine how excited I was for SC2. When it finally dropped I booked off the entire weekend to play it. I was so disappointed in the art style (Warcraft: In Space) and bland as fuck story, with the "cinematic" storytelling style with 20 minutes of cutscenes after every mission.

The stuff you could do on the ship and mercenary companies/upgrading were good additions though I'll admit.

tl;dr the NuSC trilogy is gay as fuck.

>>725437075
anon...

>want to play on reforged graphics because apparently the game is 'harder'
>but that means playing on reforged graphics

>>725437672
Video games because yet another soulless corporate product to sell to the brainless masses instead of a labor of love.

>>725438910
>want to play on reforged graphics because apparently the game is 'harder'
how so? the fact that you cant tell units apart?

>>725437621
Hello

>>725437672
"we" didn't
just don't expect this from big AAA, it's rare(and it was rare back then too actually)
but an answer to why shit is being made is simply because making games became an industry like movies and there are more big corpos making games for money and shareholders than devs making games for the love it

>>725439376
Twilight of the Gods is still easier

>>725437672
https://youtu.be/P4VBqTViEx4

>>725438204
I dont really care about stories in games that much. Brood war story also had flaws but the presentation was top notch. Sc2 took itself too seriously and was like a preachy disney movie or something about how love conquers all.

The actual campaign mechanics of getting to design your own army competition by selecting which upgrades carry over through the missions was good though. WoL is arguably one of the most fun RTS campaigns ever if you can choke down the shitty story.

>>725439890
>your own army composition
fixed

>>725436830 (OP)
I did not have fun playing it

>>725439197
>yet another soulless corporate product to sell to the brainless masses

You mean like Diablo 2?

>>725440054
https://youtu.be/HgipLyMBcsI?list=RDHgipLyMBcsI

>>725439890
>like a preachy disney movie or something about how love conquers all.
it also became DBZ after wings of liberty lol

>>725437595
Is that where you have to charge the tree up with wisps? I remember the enemy breaking though everything in the last minute but the timer/wisp count completed and I won. Think its designed that way, the enemy will get in but you will win on the clock if you hold out long enough.

>>725440257
no, its the human one where you wait for uther

>>725437048
>>725437595
In WC3 the mission countdown is estimated until the last of your buildings fall, not until you cannot defend your base properly.
So in both of those missions you are supposed to build a meatshield made of towers and then they become super easy.

>>725437048
>doing the last mission on the night elf campaign is practically impossible for 99% of the modern gamers
This mission is actually much easier than people think. Each base receives harder and harder waves, but they kind of "reset" when a base is overrun.
So you are just supposed to stall the undead at Human and Orc bases by strengthening them with your army and towers for ~10 minutes.
Honestly, if it wasn't for the ally AI limitations they could even do it themselves.

>>725436830 (OP)
One of my favourites of all time. Wanted to play something similiar and installed starcraft 2 but it was so bad. the story is pure nu-blizzard schlock, one campaign has around 30 missions (almost as many as the entire main warcraft 3 storyline), same with units, you have
>a guy in a space suit with a rifle
>woman in a space suit with a healing ray
>guy in a fortified suit with a flamethrower
>guy in a fortified suit with a rocket launcher
>100 vehicles
>100 ships
>100 mechs
this game is the fucking proof that less is more. I've heard that starcraft 1 is way better but these days it will probably be too clunky for me.

>>725436830 (OP)
That was what blizzard was in old times. Every game they released was absolutely good. Even WoW up to wrath of the lich king was great.

>>725437048
>>725437621
>twilight of the gods
instantly go for the gold mines, spam gryphon riders and dryads (immune to the banshee spam cancer), buy as many goblin mines as possible then turtle in the orc base for as long as you can
>symphony
haunt a gold mine near the gate to the western obelisk, defend it at all cost, once it's secure build another gold mine right next to that obelisk and build a TON of ziggurats to protect it, then jsut get all upgrades, build an army, destroy enemy camps and get all of the obelisks.
ez

>>725437672
Normies killed the music industry
Normies killed the movie industry
Normies moved to the video game industry

2+2 is 4 quick math

>>725441298
>Normies
You mean corporate suits

Did you know that Symphony was supposed to be even harder, there's a map trigger that damages all your buildings globally when Illidan captures an obelisk, it just never fires due to a bug blizzard didn't bother to fix

>>725441120
>you have
>>a guy in a space suit with a rifle
This is what you will produce in every mission.
>>woman in a space suit with a healing ray
Support until you get vehicles.
>>guy in a fortified suit with a flamethrower
You will never build him after this mission.
The same goes for the Hellion.
>>guy in a fortified suit with a rocket launcher
Anti-tank unit.
>>100 vehicles
>>100 ships
>>100 mechs
They are there to support your playstyle (and to make some unique missions where they can be useful).
You can safely ignore most of them as long as you have counters for mass ground/heavy ground/air.

>>725437048
Just make a shit load of Ancient Guardians everywhere and some flying units to deal with Meat Wagons

>>725441120
Well IMO starcraft 1 had better story than starcraft 2 but i cannot lie, i also enjoyed starcraft 2 campaign with all these upgrades and some of freedom in choosing missions you do.

But really there was something magical with starcraft 1 custom games while for now starcraft 2 custom maps dont scratch that itch for some reason.


>will probably be too clunky for me.
Well, thats what old rts were like, and well older rts games like warcraft 1 were way more clunky than starcraft.

>>725441412
And who's giving them money?

Hey we excited about Geoff tard award of the year? e33 pogchamps

>>725441298
>Normies
You mean (((Big Media))).

>>725438204
The missions in the original Starcraft weren't actually that good gameplay wise. I recently replayed it and it's amateur custom map tier.

>>725441298
Hunted, Grug the Tigertamer's music unga before he became bunga and appealed to normal tribe

>>725438910
IIRC in reforged you could stack health/mana pots in your inventory.

>>725440857
Each base's "timed survival" is based around when Archimonde gets off his blue ass and attacks, since there is literally no way to kill him aside from supreme amounts of cheese.
They can die faster, but Archimonde is the hard limit. So long as you can hold out until his wave comes and rolls over your allies, and eventually your defenses, you're on track to win.
You can destroy the undead's production structures at the start, before they build up, and they never rebuild them. Buy a trio of goblin land mines, and you can kill two of them at once. Buy two sets, and you can cripple them completely.
Furbolg Champion mercenaries do chaos damage, and do full damage to Archimonde. Six of them can kill him, but you need to support them since he has an anhk of resurrection and they won't win a second time.

>>725441812
>Archimonde gets off his blue ass and attacks
doesn't happen but cool story bro

>>725441919
>doesn't happen
Uhh, Anon? You didn't play on some difficulty for babies, right?

>>725441919
>doesn't happen
You may be misremembering. Archimode's entire thing is that he's on his way to that tree, and he walks his ass over your allies in sequence.

>>725436830 (OP)
What do you enjoy most about it? The story? Or is it simply just an extremely well made RTS? Or both?
I haven't played it.

>>725437593
i wish warcraft 3 had a "power overwhelming" type cheat where your guys just don't take damage, instead of "whosyourdaddy" where you kill everything in one shot. it really take me out of the immersion that i'm playing it properly when the whole enemy army melts in like 2 seconds

How can I play this? Only on the blizzard launcher? I need some other games to play because my backlog has grown stale

>>725442132
Pirate the OG.

>>725441987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3LzxALN-9s
he "gets off his blue ass and attacks" during the last 20 seconds of the mission but still, cool story bro.

>>725437672
inflation -> investors -> slop

>>725441987
NTA but I played that mission not too long ago and never got him to spawn. I parked all my troops at the human base and was able to hold out there for all 30 minutes (Tranquility is fucking busted) without Archimonde ever showing up. Granted this was only on normal baby difficulty but I'm pretty sure he's supposed to spawn despite that so I have no clue why he doesn't sometimes.

>>725441298
Normies are cattle that will like and praise whatever they're told to. You should be looking at who's telling them.what to like

What's the best patch to play?

>>725436830 (OP)
No. It's believably good.

>>725441812
i'm pretty sure the trigger for him attacking one of the bases is when you lose more than a certain number of buildings in that base to normal undead/burning legion attacks
if you don't lose enough structures then he won't attack until the last minute or something

>>725437672
AAA studios mostly lost ability to make games like this

>>725437672
it's like going to the moon bro, we no longer possess the technology...

>>725442948
1.27

>>725442150
I don’t want to be arrested by the Federal Government.

>>725442789
>>725442163
Okay, I saw this and was confused and did some digging.
As it turns out, if you're playing WC3 with TFT patches, some of the triggers and dependencies change.
Now, Archimonde will only march forward if a certain number of non-tower structures are killed, as it triggers him "defeating" the base. In addition, if the Human Castle or the Orc Great Hall are destroyed, it automatically counts as "defeated" and Archimonde will march forward.
In addition, food costs are different. in TFT, the demons they build as part of the attack require food, as opposed to RoC, where they do not. This leads to strange situations, such as heroes not being able to be built due to a lack of food.

>tl;dr if you're not playing base RoC, Archimonde will not join attacks unless a set number of non-tower structures are destroyed, or it's at the very end of the timer.
That explains why I remember that mission being way harder when i was a kid.

>>725443015
Yeah, I can confirm.
Also his final march trigger is at 39 seconds remaining, which is a very specific number and stuck out to me while I was reading.

>>725443451
I am under the belief that only the German government is neurotic enough to persecute something as insignificant as pirating a twenty year old videogame.

>>725437048
I have no idea how that worked, but I remember spamming nothing but archers (+ ancient protectors), and have Malfurion and Tyrande in the middle. As soon as the evil host arrived, activated their ults. The archers with all upgrades were just supremely cost-effective, and their pure mass was enough to stall their advances.

>>725436907
Works on my machine

>>725437672
>Why have we lost the ability to make games like this ?
Corporatization of gaming(taking the fun out of making games), dilution of talent pool(competent people go work easier jobs for better pay), ideological primacy over "fun" because games have become propaganda just like Hollyweird(this was inevitable due to games eclipsing the main propaganda mechanism of Hollywood), normalization of games as bread&circus way of pacifying large populations(slop), centralization(rat faced coin counters buying everything), greed, shortsightedness(stupidity).
Add to that an overall decay in competence across large swathes of industries due to nepotism and racial/gender discrimination against the people who created this type of games and you have a perfect recipe for mediocrity while competitors are swooping in to buyout everything.(china)

>>725440468
>>725437048
The side mission where you defend senjin village from a wave of murlocs and nagas is actually impossible for me to do on hard.

>>725444056
bloodlust for easy mode

this entire board must be Purged

>>725444905
I'm sorry Arthas. I can't watch you post this.

>>725437595
Uh bro? Your tower spam?

>>725439376
>I'm invisible, gaseous, and deadly

>>725445346
Speaking of which, the hardest mission is actually the hidden bonus mission with the tower defense. The one where the blood elves are fleeing to the portal leading to Outland.

https://mega.nz/file/FUBwWKbD#i1qE6gQvvk0_mIr8O1rhoN9LXUu6AKmn7Rvyz8slt-Q

Some anon posted this and I want to pass it forward. It's the last patch before Blizzard fucked shit up. Go play the campaign if you haven't, it's a great game.

Fuck Blizzard

>>725437048
The actual giga murder hard mode level is where you wake up Furion. It's pretty much impossible to do that first try on hard.

>>725443729
Bases stasi keeping the Huns from pirating

>>725437672
Kids did STEM degrees instead of drugs

>>725437672
Women. And faggots.

>>725437404

https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/1-33-campaign-preservation-project.340191/

This is the last campaign patch an original developer worked on that wasn't released. His team did a balance pass for all four campaigns. And a quick pass for TFT campaigns.

It makes hard challenging but fun.

>Garithos takes over Arthas' position in the human campaign
>Every world-ending event is handily averted with minimal losses

>>725437672
Because W3 is the peak. You cannot make something better than it

>>725446498
>acolytes die even tho they are human

>>725446498
Night elves saved the world in WC3.
WoW's shitty writers try to memory hole that event, so they can jerk off green niggers and their undead waifu.

>>725446589
DA GREEN WHAT- NOW ?

>>725446498
>So, you've taken up Frostmourne at the expense of your comrades' lives, just as the Dark Lord said you would. You're stronger than I thought. You hear the voice of the Dark Lord. He whispers to you through the blade you wield. What does he say, young human? What does the Dark Lord of the Dead tell you now?
>All I heard was enough to hear he was an orc, so I stopped listening to him. DIE MONGREL!

>>725437361
It's a top 5 single player campaign of all time

>>725437048
Just spam hippogryph archers

>>725446589
If Garithos takes over Arthas' position in the human campaign
>The scourge is defeated
>Every orc in the Eastern Kingdoms gets Great Purge'd
There is no longer any way for the Burning Legion to get a foothold on Azeroth

>>725446156
Demastered was really a spit in the face of the fans that were hopefull that they won't at least fuck up a simple upgrade. And how they lied in the marketing... motherfuckers.

>>725446805
Considering that Garithos was largely incompetent, no, he would not have.

>>725436830 (OP)
Well see. Im gonna replay it after maybe 15 years. Wish me luck.

>>725437361
It's the only single player campaign I've done from start to finish in an rts. It's honestly 10/10.

>>725437048
Go for the two extra gold mines straight away, spam ancient protectors all over the orc base (and yours too later), spam hippogryph riders and throw in some bears too and keep using Malfurion's healing between waves

I did this and managed to hold out for nearly the entire length of the mission before the orc and human bases both fell and by the time Archimonde appeared, there was only 30 seconds left and he was blocked by a wall of trees

>>725436830 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErAXL5pspP0

>>725437075
>download game from pirate bay
>play it immediately without any further autism
there was never any problem

>>725441919
He does at the very end from memory, for most of the mission he sits back at the base as the undead/demon waves slowly overwhelm you.

>>725441298
>Normies
faggot