Thread 725454214

Perhaps the greatest debate of all time. For me it's Revenge.

Revenge clears only because it had next-gen support at the time

>>725454214 (OP)
don't care. I just want a new burnout game.

I used to shit on Revenge but the more I emulated both games the more traffic checking made sense to me. At the end of the day both are good. Sim racing is where the real fun is at anyway.

>>725454384
>the 360 port of Revenge
This will be graphics in 2013.
>>725454446
>Sim racing is where the real fun is at anyway.
Simslop is so fucking gay.

>>725454214 (OP)
Dominator is better than revenge
>faster
>no piss filter
>burnout chaining is back
>traffic feels dangerous again
>better gamemodes
>opponents are actually challenging
>kino soundtrack with 5 renditions of Girlfriend by Avril Lavigne
if this game had a crashmode it would rank higher

>>725454446
>sim racing is more fun

I'd love to know why you think this

>>725454708
>kino soundtrack with 5 renditions of Girlfriend by Avril Lavigne
Holy based!

I have never once seen an argument against traffic checking that wasn't a woman-tier emotional response, and is often 90% the basis for why Revenge is a "bad" game.

>It's different!
>You get more boost from traffic checking compared to driving on the wrong side (Only true in Traffic Attack thanks to the density of cars)
>It makes traffic completely safe and pointless! (Oncoming traffic is still just as dangerous, and trucks/buses spawn on the right side of the road at the same frequency as traffic from Burnout 3)

The only real critique against Revenge is that its career mode is really limiting in variety for no reason, oh and the visuals in the next-gen version are the most stereotypical BLOOM N BLUR shit imaginable. Otherwise it's really fun, and the soundtrack is the best in the series.

>>725454214 (OP)
2>3>1>4

>>725454782
More depth. There is more to learn but also more control over the car, more feedback and higher stakes. When I'm playing Burnout and hugging the wall in corners I'm deriving more fun from the ost and the damage model rather than driving. In beamng or iracing I can drive the same circuit for hours because the fun comes from driving the vehicle. When it comes to burnout my most fond memories come from the ost, my fondest memory in beamng is getting the best lap time with a rwd supercar.

>>725455157
>1 above anything

>>725455450
Burnout was at it's best when it was about driving the cars, not smashing them.
4 is at the bottom for that reason alone.

>>725455520
Revenge has the best driving in the series though.

>>725454214 (OP)
Takedown was the formula perfected, being able to smash non-racer traffic out of your way in Revenge made it far less tense.

>>725455082
How about its a shit mechanic that doesnt add anything to the game and takes away any risk of driving dangerously
>>It makes traffic completely safe and pointless! (Oncoming traffic is still just as dangerous, and trucks/buses spawn on the right side of the road at the same frequency as traffic from Burnout 3)
yeah and you can easily slam those away by traffic checking 30 cars into them
its a shit mechanic wich is why it got nerfed to hell and back in Paradise

>>725454214 (OP)
I did all golds on both back to back at the beginning of the year and have to stick with 3. Although I'm not one of those people that dislike traffic checking either, Revenge was still excellent and you can't go wrong with either.

>>725455559
Nah, I like 2.

>>725455520
i really dont get this argument
without takedowns Burnout really doesnt stand out from other racing games from the time
>you uhh get bonuses for driving dangerously!
so like NFS, Project Gotham racing and Outrun?
The one main thing that set it apart was the crashing physics and with that Takedown was a logical progression

>>725455704
It was more fun than it's competetors. That's how it stood out.
It doesn't need a gimmick, and when the gimmick became the focus of the series (4) I noticed myself return to 2 more than any other game in the series.

>>725455569
>How about its a shit mechanic that doesnt add anything to the game and takes away any risk of driving dangerously
You've literally just done the woman-tier knee jerk response I've called out.

>yeah and you can easily slam those away by traffic checking 30 cars into them
No, you can't, because outside of Traffic Attack, cars do not spawn with the density required to reliably take them out, and trucks and buses can and do still take you out even after being wrecked so checking them is still massively unreliable.

I swear to fuck, every person who hates Revenge played the first event, the very first event which was Traffic Attack, and just threw their console out the fucking window. The only way you can come to this dumb shit conclusion so consistently is that you stopped playing within 5 minutes.

>>725455858
>It was more fun than it's competetors
project gotham racing 4 is better than any burnout game

>>725455858
>It doesn't need a gimmick,
the gimmick was the crash physics
that was wat stood out for everyone
im not saying Burnout 2 wasnt good but Takedown was only a logical progression
I agree with the other anon that said Dominator was better, found the sweet spot between high speed racing and combat

It's crazy that no one ever talks about Dominator or Legends. I guess they're kind of like LCS / VCS in that regard.

>>725455972
I disagree but you can think whatever you like.

>>725456004
That's not a gimmick, a gimmick is bad by definition.

>>725455969
>No, you can't, because outside of Traffic Attack, cars
You absolutely can check smaller cars into buses during races
and even then, while the density isnt that great theres still shitloads of cars to check in normal races
not even mentioning the useless mechanics like crashbreakers during races that do nothing but add a button that says
>i lost waaah help me game

>>725456005
>Legends
PSP, which sold like shit.

>Dominator
Non-Criterion PS2 Burnout made in 2007 when everybody had moved on to next-gen. Regardless of its quality, most people who played Dom with thirdies or poors.

>>725455969
Just because someone criticizes Traffic Check doesn't mean they hate the whole game. I for one think the Burning Lap challenges in 3 are fucking insanely hard relative to everything else, I still think the game is great.

>>725456005
I've been playing Legends on my PSP recently. It's good but a little buggier than the console games.

>>725456029
burnout gameplay was always shallow
even ridge racer was not as braindead as burnout

>>725456220
>opinions
k

>>725456082
>a gimmick is bad by definition.
no it isnt
a gimmick is a gimmick, the definition of it being good or bad depends on the context
Burnout 1 and 2 wouldnt stand out from other racers without its crash physics

>>725454214 (OP)
For me, it's Paradise

>>725456105
>You absolutely can check smaller cars into buses during races
I never said you couldn't, I said the density is lower to the point it's not reliable. Traffic density in Traffic Attack is so massive that cars are kissing from front to ass in a near endless chain. This only exists in this mode, in regular races, traffic density on the right side of the road is cut down to roughly 25% of TA, meaning significantly less opportunities to traffic check large vehicles. And said large vehicles can and still do pose a threat when checked to the point it's not worth getting near them.

There's also the simple fact that driving on the wrong side of the road is still the fastest way to generate boost, where traffic is 100% lethal.

>>725456308
>no it isnt
Yes it is.
>something that is not serious or of real value that is used to attract people's attention or interest temporarily, especially to make them buy something.
>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gimmick

>>725456284
its not an opinion
burnout was the most braindead arcade racing game

>>725456310
>For me, it's Paradise
Okay, now THIS is an actual dogshit opinion.

>>725456507
>Opinions, again
Ok.

>>725456631
you are not arguing at all
fucking dipshit

>>725456692
You want us to have an argument? What about?
I literally do not care what your opinion is, you're entitled to it. So obviously we're not going to argue about that.

>>725456220
>>725456284
Definitely agree with this. Burnout's drifting never felt good due to the tracks rarely being structured around taking tight turns. You could wall ride almost every non-city track if you wanted and the game wouldn't punish you. The rubberbanding doesn't exist for difficulty but to force you to engage with takedown mechanics. After 2, they made it so you could farm boost way easier, which trivialized the system. Once you get used to going fast (which is really just a blur filter) it's a very barebones racing model.

>>725454214 (OP)
The what?! No one ever said Revenge is better. There is no debate. It's clear as day that Takedown is better, if not the very best racing game of all time.

>>725456784
>>725455520
>Burnout was at it's best when it was about driving the cars, not smashing them.
you started arguing by saying this
you said driving cars was better than crashing cars and i said the driving in burnout was too shallow
why are you even posting in this thread?

>>725456803
https://youtu.be/q4U1u6G1Ue4?si=S9cu9ku0PDFLWALO

>>725456828
>if not the very best racing game of all time.
yeah i am glad arcade racing games are dead

>>725457143
Gaming in general is dead because of subhumans lack of imagination.

>>725454446
>Sim racing is where the real fun is at anyway.
if i want real sim, i'd go outside with my car.

>>725457208
sim racing games are still alive

>>725455969
>>725455082
I remember the whiplash I got when I emulated Takedown in 2015, long after I played the 360 version of Revenge, and being given a game where there's like two family cars on the road at any given time. Meanwhile /v/ made it out like the roads were jam packed and insanely dangerous.

>>725454214 (OP)
Both are very good.
But my love goes for Revenge.

>>725457417
>Meanwhile /v/ made it out like the roads were jam packed and insanely dangerous.
usually is just one car that appears out of the bluee to surprise you in the blind corners

>>725457289
Good for you if you have an mx5, an m3 and an f40.

The fact that nobody with a budget beyond shoestring (Wreckreation) has even attempted to recreate Burnout is just proof this entire industry is dogshit.

Bugbear could 100% do it, they made Ridge Racer: Unbounded which was a great arcade racer dogged on for having the wrong name. Sumo Digitial could do it too, they're filled to the brim with ex-Blackrock Studios devs who made Split/Second. The first team to make a proper Burnout successor with some marketing behind it would make easy bank.

>>725457896
>The first team to make a proper Burnout successor with some marketing behind it would make easy bank.
this is what team ninja and microsoft thought when they released ninja gayden 4
burnout was outsold by need for speed and where is need for speed now?

>>725457036
And that wasn't an argument. Why do you think I'm arguing with you?
I just told you my opinion. Nothing more more, nothing less.
Not everything is a "debate", retard-kun.

>>725458107
>burnout was outsold by need for speed and where is need for speed now?
Need for Speed is dead because it constantly tried to reinvent the wheel. Funnily enough, guess what game made people love NFS again after years of dog shit sequels? Hot Pursuit 2010, which was just Burnout with real cars.

>>725456117
Legends is one of the best selling PSP titles anon that doesnt say much since that console was pirated the fuck out but theres a reason why EA made Dominator which was game specifically designed and made for PSP.

>>725454214 (OP)
I played Revenge after playing 3 and Paradise first. Revenge is just better. The only thing worse is no single event option.

>>725458126
>And that wasn't an argument.
yes it was
You prefer the second game to the others because you like the racing part more than the car crashing part.
you were arguing dumbass

>>725458236
>Hot Pursuit 2010
that game was released over a decade ago
blur and split second were huge flops
what about these games?

>>725459010
>The only thing worse is no single event option.
That and there's less locations compared to 3.

>openworld racer
>in a franchise about vehicle combat racing
i ask once again
what were they THINKING

HEY HEY YOU YOU

>>725459291
>blur and split second were huge flops
Both of them actually sold reasonably well. The problem was the publishers were Activision and Disney. Both expected insane numbers.

>>725459565
Open world wasn't the problem, it was the simple fact they never used semi-transparent chevron barriers ala NFS to create linear tracks using the open world as a base template.