Thread 725456995

>3 weeks after release
>already forgotten
That bad, huh?

Single Player games just don't work in the modern age.

>>725456995 (OP)
Summary:
>have an amazing idea to start the game playing as an ancient vampire
>one of the most feared and powerful beings in WOD
>end up as glorified delivery boy for every vampire than should be beneath you
>mc from the 1st game felt like they had more respect somewhat than supposed ancient and legendary guy like yourself (because 'Nomad' is meant to be a big deal)
>your ancient guy who was asleep for a century also somehow knows modern Twitter lingo despite only waking up recently
>if your mc wasn't already shit enough have mc 2 in your head called Fabien who is a malkavian
>somehow even WORSE than Phyre despite the fact that majority of the game gets wasted on his irrelevant sections (that you can't skip) to "explore him" as a character
>choices in this game are a joke but they become even a bigger joke on Fabien section as the game will halt you from progressing until you pick that 1 CORRECT CHOICE that is intended to progress
>let us say you pick option A C or D but B was the only correct one...
>TOO BAD!
>they don't even give you a fake illusion of your chosen choice but they make you REDO your choice until you find that 1 CORRECT FUCKING CHOICE which will make you despise Fabien sections even more
>the only thing you will realize after being forced trough all of these is how much you fucking hate this guy and TCR that forced this guy on you
>Temu Silverhand except without anything remotely amusing about him
>at least pissing off Silverhand was somewhat funny in CP2077 and you could also make that stupid fuck realize what a dumbfuck he was
>Fabien?
>huge nothing burger who is just boring and there to be annoying
>outside of terrible protagonists here the rest of characters aren't better either
>there is Tolly who is the most insufferable person in the game and the rest are just one-note characters who are defined by a single trait only
>writing itself is also beyond ass and gameplay isn't saving grace either (at least Veilguard did that right)

>>725456995 (OP)
>people who supposedly enjoy the game coping, having to completely dismiss all criticism or say it'll get better with patches if you just wait
>option to skip all of fabien's sections, years of work and hours of gameplay and people not wanting it
>people who bought DLC realizing they're being ripped off
>obvious paid shills being recognized, backfiring and casting doubt on any praise of the game
>budget was around 60m, only made around 13m back from steam sales, unlikely console sales are near 47m
>not much excitement around the music, which was a major factor in people liking vtmb
>claims to be an rpg, repeatedly criticized for having very little rpg elements
>multiple "official" reviews panning the game

>>725458908
>>budget was around 60m, only made around 13m back from steam sales, unlikely console sales are near 47m
also that budget number isn't including advertising

I forgot it before it even came out. As soon as they announced that none of the interesting clans would be playable, in fact.

>HAVE NO CHOICE BUT BE ISOLATED
>STRUGGLING
>LEFT ALONE
>APART

>>725458793
Silverhand was an actual character you bonded with over the time. Or not. Depending on one of these two will impact some of the endings in regards to him in the future. Which says a lot!!! CP2077 wasn't exactly greatest when it came to choices either, but even that game felt like it took your choices way more into an account than a supposed RPG game that VTMB is meant to be.
The game keeps telling you to watch how you treat characters (they even have the game tell you when some character approves or not of something), because it will supposedly impact something... It. Doesn. Impact. Jack. Shit!!! So, what the fuck was a point to any of those approvals/disapprovals? I can be jackass to everyone in the game, and it will do absolutely nothing. I know because I did 2nd play (forced myself) just to see if anything changes at all. Nope. Not only how I treat everyone doesn't matter, supposed major choices also don't do shit. Like if you hand over Benny to that old bat over the Prince. It impacts nothing! You still go trough usual storyline that you would go with the other choice. The game simply does gorillion gymnastics of why you are still on the same fucking path. It's beyond bad.

Considering how they also made other clans' abilities playable to you in one play, even if you are a different clan, it makes me think that even devs themselves don't want you to ever replay this shit. Why else kill the last replay value that this game would've had? What's the point of doing another play, as another clan, if you can just unlock shit trough trainers as if it was DB:Xenoverse game? I have no idea what in the fuck were they thinking with this game, if they even thought anything at all beyond "let us jut get this over with."

>>725458993
Lasombras are unironically one of the most interesting clans that they did make playable. They are Ventrues that aren't fucking boring. Literal shadow vampires. Sadly, it had to be this fucking game that made them playable outside of shitty VNs.

>>725458993
What he said >>725460115. Lasombras are literally more interesting and unique than majority of clans that tend to be playable. Sadly, the game that finally had them was ass. Guess it's modded VTMB1 for Lasombra bros until end of times. That and visual novels.

>>725456995 (OP)
I enjoyed it a lot. I certainly get why so many people dislike it but their opinions are not mine. I enjoyed it about as much as the original. It was very rough around the edges but at the end of the day it was an enjoyable game with an enjoyable story.

I finished my second playthrough as Banu Haqim or whatever. Got the Everything is fucked by the IAO ending. First time I go Kasumi wins even though she didn't ever do anything ending

I also liked the characters in this game far more than bloodlines 1

>>725458793
Fabien was based and never annoying. I have no clue how you can pretend silverhand was better. If you got along with him then it was solely because you agreed with him on everything. Silverhand is a piece of shit and doesn't change.

>>725460325
why do reddit users with the shittiest taste come to this site

>>725460523
You won't bother with an account system that would actually allow you to prevent access from people not of the same mindset. Resulting in a mish mash of people all of which have different views and cannot be enforced.

>>725458993
Original vtmb2 just had brujas, ventrue, toreadors and malks as playable. Lasombra alone mog the living shit out of all of these options. Banu Haqim are whatever, but at least they too are something new. You can't tell me that what they added (these two) is worse than original lineup due to inclusion of Lasombras alone.
The problem isn't lack of interesting clans as such (Lasombras are just that), but that clans don't matter at all in this fucking game. It gets acknowledged now and there, but it plays little to no fucking role when it comes to anything beyond "oh you are [x] clan."
It's even worse in gameplay because they made it possible for you to spec in other clans' abilities despite not being that fucking clan yourself. Imagine playing Toreador in the first game, but you also get an option to learn abilities of Gangrel...IT'S BEYOND RETARDED! Not only is it retarded from lore's point of view, but it also kills replay value as there is no point in starting a new game, going trough this dogshit game all over again, just to see it from the perspective of another clan because: 1) your clan doesn't matter (story) and 2) your clan doesn't matter (gameplay).

>>725460523
Oh also the main character was really neat. And cute. Would fuck

>Pirated it
>Finished tutorial
>FPS suddenly shrank to 30-40fps with 9070XT
>Uninstalled

>Inb4 but framegen
Nope I don't use that

>>725460810
Same for every game I have played since CP77

>>725460514
Boss, the bait you are trying to use is very... inadequate.

>>725460906
What response are you actually looking for here?

>>725460906
pretty sure he's just a reddit cunt with shit taste

>>725461083
Baby gonna cry? ;(

I finished it yesterday, was really pissed off with the ending I got. I.O.A wipe out the vampires in seattle, all because I didn't want to embrace a random granny which made no sense/spoiler]

The game was so so besides that but that really ruined it for me

>>725460514
Nta(ndrei): Fabien has zero personality. Likeable or not. He has nothing. That's how fucking boring and nothing of a character he is.
Silverhand is jackass, true, but the fact is that you can have said opinion over him. Also, he does change when it comes to you. Which is what anon was saying. Example, if your relationship with Silverhand was shit, he won't think twice about stealing your body from you. Meanwhile, if you did manage to become friends with him, he does mourn you and/or wants to save you even at the cost of himself. You can hate Silverhand (I never was much of his fag), but there is a dynamic here with him.
Fabien just exists until he stops existing in the end. That's fucking it. A literal tutorial menu that overstayed its welcome.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH TOTAL TRANNY FLOP
AHAHAHAHAAH LONG AWAITED GAME - wait im posting about bloodlines 2 idc about this game

>>725460325
>>725460759
They're still paying you? Or do you do it for free?

Game is absolute kino, but it's obviously unfinished. Everything after you jump out the window of the tower is so rushed and cobbled together, but somehow it works.

>>725462052
Answer me
Do you do it for free at this point.

>>725461251
They repeatedly warned you that killing her would have consequences.

>>725462075
Of course I do it for free. Same reason I've been shilling every other VTM game all these years like Bloodlines, Night Road, Shadows of New York, Swansong, even Bloodhunt. (And that Skyrim Redemption reimagining mod.)

I miss IP count on this website. Sure, some fags would just change IP-s and so on to samefag, but at least it did help to contain more of low effort same fagging to be contained as you could easily call them out on it. Ever since IP count removal, this website went to utter gutter even more than it was. Captcha shit didn't help. At this point this website is even more schizo central than it ever was.

>>725462243
Ok, thanks for admiting it.

>>725462132
The consequence wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't such a bad fucking railroaded "choice" that locked out every other decision.
>siring a random stranger who will also be a powerful vampire as the nomad is a higher gen
>a hunter vampire
>the IAO would also know she'd turned, rending her useless
>you may also not want to sire a character as she may not fit in with your clan
I guess that was my fault for expecting an RPG.

>>725462243
>Same reason I've been shilling every other VTM game
They were all made by TCR?

It's so forgotten that we have almost daily threads about it.

>>725456995 (OP)
>tell the noobs off who address you casually and drill it in their heads who you actually are
>(lower vampire was unimpressed)
>(enemies are nearby)
>land in the middle of the road like a kite, nothing happens
>stealth kill an enemy by pushing him over the rooftop's edge, masquerade gauge increases
>you have to embrace the most stereotype of an old black hag in order to get the "gud" ending
>objectophilia and its monologues
>miao

>>725462507
>you may also not want to sire a character as she may not fit in with your clan
I don't disagree with you about how shit this all was, but most major characters who sired someone sired someone out of other reason than their clan.
Take Beckett as the best (worst) example of just that. He is literally WOD protagonist. Who did he sire? Someone he watched over and thought to be good pick for Gangrels? Fuck no. Hunter girl burnt his stupid notes and Beckett, seething, decided to pay her a visit, literally fuck her up, and then sire her as a fuck you to her. All because she dared to burn fucking notes. This did come to bite him in the ass later on as she did get her payback on him for this, but the point is that he, a very powerful Gangrel, sired another person just out of spite in a single moment of rage. This is the "good guy" as far as WOD goes, by the way. Which is the thing I honestly found most lacking (and insulting about this game). This right here. Everyone is too one note. There is no dimension to any of them. It's called WOD, yet it's the most neutered shit ever. If Beckett was written in modern era, he would just be haha funny quirky guy who is all goody-good instead of actually complex character, who tends to be a massive selfish asshole, even do fucked up shit from time to time precisely because of his own desires, that he is.

>>725456995 (OP)
it released?

>>725462328
bot post

>>725463023
>(lower vampire was unimpressed)
this shit drives me up the fucking wall
also the fact that I can't plaster the nosfagatu over the wall when he gets pissy about the police station either

>>725456995 (OP)
I mean there's not very much to do after the game is done and not much point.to replayability since you unlock every other clans disciplines anyway, so yeah.
I enjoyed it for what it was but really dont have any desire to play it again. Worth the pirate, but if you paid for it youre a sucker.

>>725463612
>values his time less than his money

>>725462939
not as much anymore. plus like half the threads soon after release were likely shills.

>inb4 shills aren't real

>>725458793
this sums it up

>>725456995 (OP)
Best thing about VTMB2 is that it got me to reinstall the first game and finally play a Tremere for the first time.
>mfw using Dominate to clear stealth missions by making every human enemy kill themselves.

>>725463149
Beckett was always least nice out of main trio (Lucita and Anatole). While both of these had some moral fagging in regards to things that they followed, Beckett only followed his own autism to learn more. Meaning, if he had to skin alive a little baby alive because it would give him an access to some super cool ancient knowledge, he would do it in a heartbeat without thinking twice. Not that he ever did this, but you get the point. While he doesn't try to be asshole on average, he will be if he thinks he will get what he wants. With is usually some ancient ass relic, book, or similar shit like that.

Beckett wouldn't want to harm you on normal day, but if you stood between him and whatever ancient thing that he is autistic about, he won't think twice about beheading you and your whole family if needed to get it.
I mean, yea. By World of Darkness standards I guess he is least worst guy you can come across, but still the worst one out of main trio on sole reason that he has no true morality when it comes to anything if it gets him closer to his desire...aka some ancient artifact. (You) were lucky in the first game that there was a bomb in that Sarcophagus back then because if good ol' Beckett sniffed actual antediluvian in there, the whole game probably would've played out differently. Not because he would give a single shit about claiming that power for himself, but because le potential of knowledge, and when Beckett goes into his le potential of knowledge mode and someone (Sebastian or you) get in his way of it, he gets... let us just say that Andrei is friendlier than him then.

>>725462328
I wonder why they never implemented use ID in /v/. Guess hiroshimoot gains some of that shilling pie.

>>725456995 (OP)
I forgot about it as soon as they announced the complete absence of any RPG elements. No character sheet, no stats, no inventory or gear, no meaningful choices in dialogue, no clan-specific dialogue, no open-ended combat encounters (you have to kill everything every time, no stealthing by or talking your way past people), no side quests.
It's one of the most lacking games I've ever played and easily one of the worst games of all time.

>>725465046
Which is why not only this game, but nu-WoD sucks. Something like Beckett (how he was) would never exist now in that way. It's why he is completely watered down when mentioned in newer versions. Zoomers are incapable of writing anything with nuance to it. They have to baby-mode everything because they are toddler brained on average.

>>725465281
I don't have any evidence but my conspiracy theory is that hiro needs /v/ to remain a containment board so every other video game board stays safe. Only retards, like myself, exclusively use /v/ instead of the better, slower boards, like /vr/ or /vm/.

>>725465046
It's funny that when Beckett finally found someone ancient who could share a lot of secrets, 4th gen Helen of Troy he straight up got dominated and his fingers were bitten off.

>>725460325
Fucking murder yourself shill.

>>725456995 (OP)
It's not worth responding but yea it's complete dog shit

>>725456995 (OP)
>already forgotten
Naw people are still playing/replaying vtmb1.
I'd even say it was the fotm last month in anticipation of not playing 2.

>>725460973
>>725461121
Kill yourself on camera, shill. I want to watch you die.

>>725462052
>>725462243
Blow your brains out, shill.

>>725460325
You are a perfect masochist
A treasure to behold
Almost like a fly with no head buzzing around my kitchen or a zebra running from a crocodile without it's entrails
I want to study you and cut up your brain

>>725462243
Safia is the worst written video game character I've seen in years.

>>725465046
Beckett was unintentionally hilarious because of it. He was unironically autistic as fuck. I remember there being a story in which he was so autistic for this one stupid artifact that he refused to stay low for the day until night came. Instead, like giga autist that he is, he went out and walked in a middle of a day, literally almost getting himself killed, until he got to his desired location because he just couldn't wait.

>>725463493
Is there ever a scenario in which you can fucking murder that flaming fagola?

>>725456995 (OP)
it was forgotten before it even released

>>725465046
>Beckett was always least nice out of main trio (Lucita and Anatole)
He was simply the only one that actually felt flawed (got owned for his mistakes). Other two are too Sue and Stu respectively. Especially in current WOD.
Beckett simply felt most real as he wasn't perfect and would face the consequences of his actions when he did something stupid. Like sire a random hunter girl out of rage just because she accidently burnt his stupid notes. He actually paid for it. if Lucita did something like this then she would YAS QUEEN it, or worse... have said girl glaze the living shit out of Lucita due to how awesome she is over want a payback for having her entire life fucked in such manner.

Don't take me wrong. Lucita is hot, but she suffers from same syndrome as most female characters in media nowadays. Of being a bit too perfect. Even when she fucks up, she doesn't get burnt by her actions as she should. She is also turbo glazed on every corner. Anatole is just "nice" I guess. Beckett was always the only one that felt like an actual character out of three because he was extremely flawed, and all of his actions would haunt him in some way.

>>725460325
>I also liked the characters in this game far more than bloodlines 1
Are you fucking stupid or just brown?
>Asian girlboss
>Asian girlboss (with scars)
>twink nigger
>Brujah that's almost interesting but the shit writers cut him early
>pretentious art nigress caricature
>obnoxious voice in your head that never shuts the fuck up with his Marvel-tier quips
>side "quest" givers who are a single trope each (hard old woman, vengeful edgelord, nigger girlboss, they/them Tumblr fartist, gay biker, gay hoity toity pianist)
>Nosferatu is the most insufferable fucking faggot ever conceived by human beings

Lou was the ONLY character who was slightly interesting, and only while there was still the mystery of why she kept sperging out like a fucking Malkavian.

>>725465469
Anon, millennials wrote that game. Millennials wrote pretty much everything.
The OLDEST zoomers are only about 28/29 now, they don't have senior positions.

>>725466062
NO!

>>725463493
>that I can't plaster the nosfagatu over the wall when he gets pissy about the police station either
Holy fucking shit man. I didn't even have a problem with him being an annoying faggot but the character died for me the second he started pissing and moaning and ordering the MC around to do that missions

>>725466728
Cool I hate this shit game even more now

>>725466816
there's not even an option to be at least midly annoyed in response
"elder" my ass

>>725465595
He is giga autist in every sense of that word.
Funniest for me was when he banged. He was bored as hell, couldn't wait for it to be over so he can go back to things that matter to him...MUH RELICS! He is like that one anon who had sex, decided that it was boring, and couldn't wait to go back to playing video games instead.

>>725456995 (OP)
worse, it didn't even flop, it deflated with a wet neopussyfart and disappeared into nothingness

>>725467251
>Yes sir, Master Faggot, sir, right away
I almost uninstalled right there

>>725467282
In his defense: Most of kindred feel that way about having sex. Especially when they are as old as him. It's mostly Toresluts who still like sex. Not because of sex itself as they are trying really hard to still larp as humans. Everyone else would be in the same boat as Beckett there. Find it extremely unamusing.

>>725467282
That's just average vampire reaction to having sex. Especially when they are over three centuries old. However, yes. Beckett is highly autistic individual that cares about nothing unless it brings him more knowledge to something and would gladly risk his own life over, let alone someone else's.

I am once again shilling this game

>>725467282
Wait Beckett banged someone as vamp? Why?
As >>725467521 points out, vampires are disinterested in sex, feeding is their new vice, sex is used to lure prey or if you want to pretend you are human, but vamps take no pleasure from it, they even don't have libido. Ghouls on other hand are turbo horny coomers for vampire who own them, and only for said vampire, but as vampire isn't interested in sex at all ghouls are perpetually blue balled, sometimes vampire create another ghoul so his first one have someone to fuck, this ends with 2 unsatisfied ghouls who want to fuck their master but are forced to fuck eachother instead.

>>725456995 (OP)
Yes.

>>725467912
uninterested*
disinterested means unbiased

>>725468052
Fuck you're right. My bad.

>>725467885
Nothing amazing but it's solid and if you play it right after this piece of shit it will probably seem like a 9/10

>>725467912
Yes. He had sex and was bored to death of it. He just did it because girl in question liked him so he was like why not, and he was bored out of his mind. Like, he was describing her body, whole sex process, in the same way you would write your school essay for which you have no feelings for. Just like that essay, he couldn't wait for it to just be over. Once it was over he was glad because he can finally go back to his autism- I mean, stuff that he cares about because the only thing that gets this man to truly orgasm at this point is some dusty ass relic that stinks as shit.

>>725467885
The problem with that game is that it's too slow.

>>725468198
Typical kindred then. He should have bite her when finished.

>>725456995 (OP)
>prepurchased VTMB2 the day it was announced
>some time later, Avellone got sacked
>canceled prepurchase same day
I know better now, but even in full awareness each of my steps towards cancellation were stupid, it would appear the retarded clock is still right twice a day.

>>725467912
He fucked a Tremere chick that wanted to fuck him. As anon said, he didn't find fun in it at all and was bored out of his mind, just trying to get it over with. He is basically that one anon who tends to write
>had sex once
>wasn't fun
This would literally be his post if he posted here kek

Why did he do it?

>>725468198
>>725468558
This is funny because I know lots of vtmb1 girls who played it and had semi-crush on him (would romance him if they could), yet this is how he would be if they got their wish to come true.

>>725468198
>Once it was over he was glad because he can finally go back to his autism- I mean, stuff that he cares about because the only thing that gets this man to truly orgasm at this point is some dusty ass relic that stinks as shit
How in the hell did this autist ever got embraced by Gangrel (who sought out warriors) over other turbo autists like Tremere? Even Malk would make more sense for him due to how insane he can get over his autism.

>>725469256
Beckett's current personality is in large thanks due to his Malkavian sire. Clearly not the man who sired him, just the one who took him in and played the role of his sire. In his youth, and originally, he was described as big trouble. Pretty prone to being violent and not exactly the friendliest guy in general. So, his adoptive sire, who is a Malkavian, gave him a bit of his autism... Which was autism for knowledge. Which is what he adapted. Now he is turbo autistic about that and tends to show his "real nature" when he feels that something is getting between him and said knowledge aka he turns extremely violent.

>>725463023
>(lower vampire was unimpressed)
Why would you choose, as a writer, as someone that writes shit, for the main character to be a 600 years old powerhouse out of time, only for him to be instantly depowered, have all the other characters shitting on him, not care whatsoever if he's a 600 years old legend, and shitting on his mouth.

What is exactly the thought process there. Why did you do this. What exactly were you trying to do. Why.

>>725460325
Give it up shill, it's over

>>725470325
Playtesters were complaining about not feeling powerful so they changed him into an elder (while not changing gameplay in any way) and added a scene at the start where you punch a security guard

Genuinely, I hate anyone who claims they enjoyed this shit, especially if they're being truthful. I want you to contract cancer.

>>725469256
Supposedly, he was extremely Gangrel-like prior to Aristotle's influence on him. By that I mean that he would probably rip your throat out due to looking at him wrong because he isn't a man of patience. Which is a thing you can see with him even now, when he has been more "educated" on how behave.
He still acts first when he is stuck on something, not caring who gets hurt in the process. Will even get violent very easily if he feels like he is being held back from something. Is also extremely vengeful if he feels wronged. Marie, his childe, being the best example of just that. Her whole life was ruined by him, she even got brutalized by him (it wasn't "gentle" turning at all), all because she burnt his papers. He wasn't mad that she staked him, but that she burnt his fucking papers. That was the sole reason for why he sought her out, mutilated her, then turned her against her will as a mockery. He did get his ass beat by her later on, but the fact is that he never once regretted his action, nor did he saw just how what he did was wrong. He just didn't give a single shit about any of this. Not even when she did her revenge on him by repeating what she did back then (put stake trough him and his precious book this time). Did he ever had a moment of self-reflection of how he fucked up? Nope. He was just mad that his book was ruined and he didn't get to find her to rip her throat out. This is why I always found Beckett being a good guy narrative as funny. He isn't. He really isn't. He has zero fucking morals, gets easily violent, gives no shit when he hurts someone, only tolerates humans at best, only tolerates everyone in his life in general, the only thing that makes him have any emotions are ancient things and not anything else.

>>725464860
based and tremerepilled

>>725471197
>Explains why Beckett is the perfect Husbando
*sigh*. He's so dreamy

>>725468373
Not exactly typical as kindred get their mortal functions somewhat on to make the experience somewhat better. He did too, it just still bored him. Take also in note that he is a gangrel. They might not be toreador tier of whores, but out of every clan gangrels should be the most "hot" ones for it when offered due to their nature. Brujas can be too as unlike torewhores, brujas aren't just larping to be human like. They very much are without trying too much.

In conclusion: He is just autistic.

>>725471558
Unless you are a literal painting of kindred equivalent of Mona Lisa, he wouldn't even look at you.

>>725470578
and it's the only time an ennemy ragdoll that way
they could have made every kill works that way, to have a little bit of FUN in this braindead bmu, such a simple change
BUT NO

Damn, anons were right. 2e WoD is better compared to Revised (revised art still rocks tho).

>>725472182
>FUN
ew
games are art

>>725471197
Kek even without knowing much lore about him, you can tell he isn't exactly a "chill good vamp guy" due to how he looks alone. Gangrel only get permanent traits like his eyes and claws (he is meant to haw claws) when they did too much frenzy to leave them with permanent animalistic traits. If you see Gangrel like Beckett, that has multiple animalistic traits in his appearance like him, it tells you that Gangrel in question is very low humanity one.

>>725472243
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>725472468
I'm accurately telling you what TCR devs think when making a game

>>725472529
TCR devs don't think, they are programmed Jewish golems.

>>725472465
to have*

>>725458793
>>have an amazing idea to start the game playing as an ancient vampire
No, this is where everything starts going wrong and shows the divide between writing for games and hating games, because telling the story of an Elder can make for a cool novel, but for a game it's a pretty bad idea, the best games always have you start from a position of weakness and grow in strength over time, it's a cliche, but it exists for a reason, it ties itself way to the way game design works by it's very nature, you start with simpler mechanics, easier challenges and become complex and more challenging overtime, by making the player an elder, you make your life harder as a game designer from the get go, not that The Chinese Romm understands anything about game design, they hate video-games.

>>725473476
Anon to who you replied to was clearly speaking sarcastically in regards to that. As you can see by the rest of his green text after it. He basically implies that this was a stupid idea, especially when they made you a glorified errand boy/girl despite the fact that they should be pissing themselves at the sight of you alone.

>>725471471
ouhhh my vampire wife.....

>>725466062
>>725466816
*unsheathes stake*
*teleports behind you*
"huh... nothing personnel, queer!"

>>725473725
Why does everyone but me know that it's Tolly who stakes you when you break the masquerade? I've never seen him, it's just the stake and an arm

>>725471471
>>725473674
she got RAPED by Aleister Crowley btw

>>725473674
*gets blown up*

What did they mean by this?

>>725473794
The dialogue is random but there are some scenes where he speaks and it's obviously his voice.

>>725473794
Fabien says to not break the masquerada or "Tolly will..."

>>725473842
also I'm pretty sure if you have subs on you can see his name, it's him

>>725473476
But it could work so easily. Your dude is an elder but the mark saps his strength or whatever. Proceed to have the exact same progression as VTMB1, maybe throw in a little player empowerment section at the end when the MC gets all his elderness back

>>725473725
He didn't annoy me that much but I hated how obviously he was near masquerade breaching. He's chilling in a nightclub and hotel lobby at various points in the game.

>>725471197
This is literally why he was the best out of main three protagonists. He felt most like WoD character out of them all. The true definition of true neutral. An extremely selfish man who served his desires only and would either help someone/or ruin them to get these desires done.
Anatole was closest to good guy vampire. Lucita is "Slay Queen" (unironic fucking nickname for her now). Even before current era, she was always a bit too...too OC steel donut type of character basically. Beckett was always the only one that acted in more unpredictable ways precisely due to how self-serving he is and there are no morals with him. Just his current obsession for some stupid relic at that moment.

>>725471558
>husbando
If you aren't some dusty ass artifact or dusty ass vampire elder that has been in torpor since times of Caine, he won't get his dick anywhere near you.

>>725474382
>He didn't annoy me that much but I hated how obviously he was near masquerade breaching. He's chilling in a nightclub and hotel lobby at various points in the game.
He's v5 nosferatu, meaning he's just ugly instead of walking masquerade breach monster. He will pass as ugly bastard creep, especially in poor lighting. Look at him, he looks like someone after fucked up plastic surgery or after face reconstruction because his face melted in fire and it's best surgeon could do for him.

>>725474782
That's what domination is for anon.

>>725474013
If you didn't want to write about an Elder, then don't make the main character an Elder. It's not rocket science. If you don't want your main character to be an Elder, don't make him a Elder. Make him a 11 gen vampire or something like that.

If you want your main character to be an Elder, then write your main character as an Elder. He should have every vampires in Seattle shivering in fear and scrambling to get in his good grace. Why are you doing that weird kind of dance 50/50, your character is an Elder but also no one cares.

>>725474382
To be fair, his looks aren't that masquerade breaching. He just looks like one very deformed human that you could even find in real life. Most looking at him would just think he is burn victim that was born deformed. It's far cry from how nossies usually look, have looked in the first game or how even the toad guy from old gameplay (pic related) looked that was a nossie. Tolly just looks like a very ugly deformed man.

>>725474913
You need to be dusty ass vampire elder that has existed since times of Caine for that too to work.

>>725474913
>domination
Foolishness, anon. Foolishness. Just promise to give him some thousands years old stupid book with Lilith's OF pics and he will fuck you instantly. Just use his autism against him. It's that simple. Warning: Don't expect him to stay for cuddles or give a single shit for you after. Anothe warning: You better do have thousands years old stupid book with Lilith's OF pics because he may fuck you in another way if you don't.

>>725475154
>>725475445
Some young 5th(well 4th but only cuz she's sire eater) gen toreador baddie dominated him for lulz.
I can guarantee she haven't met Caine or anyone from 3rd gen.

>>725474831
v5 was a mistake

>>725475651
That's the point, anon. Your ass will be lucky if it doesn't end up thin-blood tier, let alone low gen.

>>725475651
Almost as if generations have something to do with? None of current vampires would be gen that low. As other anon said, you would be lucky to be non thin blood in this day and age. Even if you larp as Phyre (kek at that), you'd be around his own generation, or not that far off in general in which you could pull such stunt without getting dimsbowled.

Your best bet is doing what this anon said >>725475445. Just use his autism against him. The easiest way.

>>725475695
While I agree, Nosferatu being simply ugly instead of monsters is quite low on "stuff wrong with V5" list.

>>725476119
We remade it. For modern audience. The modern audience still hasn't shown up, but we're hopeful for the first quarterly review of 2026.

>>725475651
>some young
>is like 800 years and 4th fucking gen
Anon, be real! You aren't Helen. You aren't even close to that in rank unless you are writing yourself as the biggest Mary Sue OC steel donut of all time. You would be some 14-15th gen shitstain that is barely a vampire. If you think your ass can easily dominate 7th gen almost four centuries old gangrel with violent streak when crossed... then be my guest.

>>725476119
explain the issues of v5 to a ttrpglet who doesn’t follow it pls

>>725475445
>spoiler
I would be very interested in getting that as well

>>725476349
>>is like 800 years and 4th fucking gen
Not that young, she is mere 3000 years old.

>>725475651
It wasn't "some young" it was a low gen one... like 4th gen. Yes, trough a diablerie, but she still is 4th gen one, that was sired by original 4th gen vampire. Not to mention that she is much older than him. No shit SHE could do that to him. She could do the same to anyone in this fucking game easily without any effort due to these facts alone.
There is a reason why you don't see others trying to pull the same stunt on him. Sebastian could dominate you with ease, but had to let Beckett do whatever because he could. Not only him, but other Princes who were clearly annoyed by him. Sabbat as well. All of them avoided him if they could, leaving him to his own devices if possible, precisely because it would be best to avoid getting on his shit list, and he didn't care for either of them anyway unless provoked. All of these factions had issues with him, but avoided him as much as possible unless he directly came after them because they had something he wanted. In which case, they had to confront him. If you think that they wouldn't have his head on a spike by now by dominating him if it was so fucking easy for everyone, then you are beyond wrong.

>>725477303
>Beckett is an old monster and only even older monsters can hope to even begin to start managing him
That's an Elder for you.

Uh. Remind me. What is the general reaction of Seattle in VTMB 2 for your Elder?

>>725476424
Well besides nos being just ugly instead monsters.
Writting, well let's just say writters decided they need to include "if you are fascist then don't play this game" in main rulebook. As of quality of writting, pic related.
As for game mechanics blood points(you drink blood you get blood point, you spend points to use disciplines and doing vampire stuff, low on blood points risk frenzy) into hunger(doing something vampiric roll hunger dices to see if going frenzy). It also had unhealthy ammount of focus on thin-bloods, elders weren't present and sabbat was non existent at start. They bactracked some but even then tzimisce lost their unique flesh crafting discipline, it's now protean(just like gangrel) Lasombra's unique discipline is shared with other clan, so clans losing their unique discipline. You get the idea.
To sum it up writting got considerably worse, rules are worse, it's a fucking mess.

>>725477640
We don't talk of this game for a good reason, anon. The whole character of Phyre and them being an ancient is a bad joke.

still waiting for the first speedrun

>>725477640
Well, considering how every kindred below you can easily shit on you while you just take it and some faggot nosferatu can teleport behind you to stake you easily... Yea, it's no wonder why everyone treats you as a joke instead of having any respect and fear that they should of you. The difference between someone like Beckett and Phyre is that Beckett would rip Prince's throat if she tried to "leash" him from his goals, while you take it as a good bitch and say "aye aye master" while everyone around you treats you as their glorified errand elder.

>>725477640
There is some lip service about HOLY SHIT AN ELDER

>>725477640
That's what happens when the game writes you with stupid concept in mind (you being elder), without considering what that means. In-game characters go how old you are, but then shit on you without thinking twice. Your character gets angry and says words, but then gets laughed at by this faggot called Tolly who "warns you" to play nice. Like other poster said: Have fun doing that to Beckett if he was hellbent on finding out something. There is no Prince, or faggot named Tolly, that would be able to demand shit from him. They would either need to play by his tune, or he wouldn't even work with them at all. At best he'd just leave to look elsewhere (Sabat if needed), at worst things will get ugly if they try to press him. You as Phyre are unable to react in any of these ways. You are just, as anon nicely put it, a little bitch for everyone in this game! A fucking joke of an elder.

>>725473476
In fairness games usually come up with the

>amnesia

trope. Pic related.

>>725479293
why don't they progrma the golems to love tremere

>>725477640
You get acknowledged as one, but no one is afraid of you because of it at the same time.

It doesn't help that Phyre suffers from modern day writing in which protagonist just takes it when someone shits on them. Tolly is the worst and by far the most annoying offender of this. When you first meet the Prince, this faggot has the nerve to come to you and basically threaten you, an elder, that you should behave. Even Fabien basically pisses his pants and warns you about watching out for this faggot. Then you getting instant game over screen by getting staked from behind (from Tolly it seems), isn't helping either. The writing is beyond bad in this game when it comes to your character.

Even if you excuse this shit with your character being weak after waking up, there should still be some fear from you due to you being an elder or some form of better respect just due to that fact alone. Especially when you also have the legend of Nomad attached to you, which makes everyone goa 'whoa' when finding out.
Sebastian was like a bitch in front of Beckett, despite other provoking him multiple times. From calling him "Sebastian" instead of LaCroix to making fun of him, and he just took it it, and Sebastian is like 8th gen. Not that far off from him. Beckett mostly had age and one gen lower to his advantage, but Sebastian still didn't fuck with him, or try to provoke him.
Meanwhile, in this game, you are way above EVERYONE, yet everyone is treating you like a bad joke. Which you clearly are with the way Phyre was written.

>>725478570
In fairness, there's already a White Wolf setting where vampires regularly suffer amnesia. It's called Vampire: The Requiem. Vampires that get too powerful, to the point where they can't feed on humans anymore, willingly enter a torpor. This torpor depowers them, but also takes away their memories, the "fog of eternity". These vampires usually leave requiem diaries to try and help them remember their history, because without their history, their "touchstones", they lose their humanity.

If "Bloodlines 2" (quotation marks are sarcastic) had been the first Requiem game, and its story was about piecing together your past because you torpor'd and forgot everything, then maybe this would have been more tolerable. But, literally no one who worked on "Bloodlines 2" has ever touched a tabletop game.

>>725479383
Well Gargoyles aren't programed, they are vampire bloodline, they are vampires and they only loyality to tremere is via blood bond, bond that can be broken. They even had gargoyle revolt it was funny and Tremere sethee at avery Camarilla aligned gargoyle, while other clans have time of their life seeing tremere seething because now entire organisation have acess to "tremere toys". Of course large chunk went to sabbat.

>>725479638
I thought they're just stone statues the tremere magicked to life
t. didn't find the diary or whatever that implicates Strauss in the golem sidequest

>>725479708
Strauss confesses if the neonate is persuasive enough. Finding the book is for players to connect the dots that they should ask Strauss specifically how to fight a gargoyle in the first place.

I pirated it and managed to beat it but it was incredibly boring fighting the same enemies and walking from one end of the map to the other as Fabien. I just wanted it to end.

>>725480079
I gave up after the 4th time the game crashed and fucked all my saves so reloading wouldn't work.

>>725477640
>oh you boomer ass unc can you go and get my skibidi fr fr redpill approved based package
>I'M NOT SOMEONE YOU CAN ORDER AROUND
>(Phyre proceeds to do as told anyway)
>lmao for shizzle drizzle you you a bitch no cap come and do more boring shit for me from now fr fr
>I DEMAND TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY
>(Phyre proceeds to do as told anyway the next day)

>>725480747
Kek painfully accurate

>>725463149
Beckett was literally WW's vampire Seto Kaiba. From extreme autism to even denying that Caine or Gehenna were real even when faced with every evidence to suggest otherwise.

>>725480747
Why are modern writers always so obsessed with emasculating and degrading mc nowadays? I hate this "quirky" writing of everyone always being a jackass to you, snarky, and you just fucking take it despite being in a supposed position of power in which you could do something about it.

>>725480942
>that was already solved the exact moment you met one (1) NPC
qrd?

>>725481758
Well it's even weirder here because Phyre isn't a canon male MC, you can choose to be female and the same shit happens. It feels like the writers were just shitting all over the lore on purpose for whatever reason. Or maybe they're just braindead Marvel humor shitlennials who think that kind of thing is le funi.

>>725480942
The more I think about the Fabien segments the more baffling it becomes, this is an achievement in the history of game design, it should studied in game design schools as what not to do ever.

>>725482494
I want to blow this they/them retard's back out.

>>725480942
This was RPG? There was a way to RP anything?
You start this game as Turkish vampire, with bad accent, who always speaks as if they have stick up their ass. You are also meant to be an ancient and a big deal, yet you let everyone walk over you easily. If this is our glorified ancient vampire, then MC in the first game Antediluvian in comparison due to the fact that they could actually talk back to the point that Prince above them would be forced to dominate them to get them to do anything for him, and Sebastian had way more leash over MC in the first game than anyone in this stupid game should have over you. Other factions simply tried to win you over.
Surely our ancient vampire here should have their dick sucked basically in which every faction is trying to convince you why you should go with them trough manipulating the living hell out of you? Actually... NO! Lou talked down to you the entire time. Prince orders you around like whatever, and this random fag Tolly dares to make threats to you, telling you to fucking behave.
Meaning, some shitty 13th generation vampire from the first game (at least prior to ending), who had their life literally on the line of their Prince, was a bigger shot by being able to talk back to him to the point that he had to use his powers to force them, while Phyre, supposed powerful ancient with legendary background, is just a little bitch that nobody takes seriously. Absolute sasuga TCR!

>>725482618
bonus for having to give in to the hunter's demand to turn her or you get the bad ending
can't do anything sensible like use dominate or ghoul her, nope have to do what the npc said

>>725482548
she's gonna need 1 year to heal the aggravated damage after I'm done

>>725482798
>aggravated damage
TCR: UHH WUT DAT

it's simple, Phyre has autism

>>725458793
>>your ancient guy who was asleep for a century also somehow knows modern Twitter lingo despite only waking up recently
Examples?

>>725456995 (OP)
Let's be real only person in game that would be allowed to talk down to you should be prince, not because she's more powerfull but because she have might of camarilla behind her, 2nd and 5th tradition demands it.
Any other vampire should respect you or get to know sixth tradition.

>>725482768
The writing in this game is laughably bad. I never was a fan of whole thin-blood concept either that original vtmb2 was meant to have. I thought that was stupid too. Especially because you would become "real vampire" trough diablerie. Which was just as retarded that Camarilla would be totally cool with that and you after it.
Still, at least you being treated like a dog by everyone would make more sense then as you would be a literal abomination that had to do dirty work that Camarilla demanded because your mere existence shouldn't be allowed.
There is nothing that should hold Phyre back. It's even worse if you went with Katsumi at start. Prince just goes "I'm mad, but whatever, you shall be my sheriff I guess. Anyway, here is a new FETCH quest for you, puppy." What? It's beyond retarded! Especially because none of this is done out of fear or respect for you (nobody has that for you━Tolly is the biggest insult to you and you can't do shit about it). Imagine Sebastian threatening Beckett because the other kept making fun of him (even call him by his name), and as someone mentioned, at least Sebastian is just one generation higher than him. So, it's not like he wouldn't have a chance Vs him if it ever came to that. Yet, he didn't. Not only he didn't, but he was the one to take whatever other said, yet here every faggot on the street has no problem at making fun of you easily? Nines wasn't too hot about Jack either, but guess what... Jack is elder so Nines and every other Anarch had to kiss his ass despite having issues with him. The same goes for Strauss. They can seeth about him being a kike but see who is brave to go to 500+ year old Kikemere to disrespect him directly. Phyre on another hand is less threatening to everyone than some random faggot named Tolly. It's not that they are lower gen than them, it's just that Phyre is a big giant bitch that nobody cares to take seriously because they will do their every fetch quest anyway.

>>725456995 (OP)
yeah it's made by the chinese room what did you expect?

>>725482976
So does Beckett, but outside of extremely low gen torewhore and his own childe that took him by surprise, nobody else dares to punk him.

>>725483116
Nta, but there is one section in which Phyre talks of fucking hashtags even though that concept shouldn't be known to them at all. Yes, Lou mentioned it once, but they shouldn't know what the fuck that is beyond weird word they heard one kindred mention once that they couldn't understand. Apparently they did.

It's gonna be great

>>725484359
It's different kind of autism bwo. Beckett is autistic in a way that he would do what failed Austrian painter did if he doesn't get his way. Phyre will just play with lego while having really angry face if provoked.

>>725484359
>Phyre talks of fucking hashtags
and the shill said "TCR discarded everything HSL did" when evidently every story beats make more sense as a thinblood
lol

>>725477303
>>725475651
What's her name?

>>725456995 (OP)
The first game was dogshit and came out 20 years ago. Why would the sequel be any different?

>>725484904
Helena (Helen of Troy). She is ancient as fuck. Originally 5th gen, but she ate her sire who was 4th, so she is 4th one now.

>>725484723
Phyre is just like me fr fr

>>725484889
shill also said 2 tried hard to seem extremely dark and inhuman because you're an old vampire. corny.

>>725484127
Tolly is 100% someone's fucking self-insert in writing team. Especially because the original one (Samuel) didn't act this way at all. I know because I actually did try that alpha shit back then. Samuel was just a regular Nosferatu guy that filled you in and had the same VA as Sebastian from the first game. He didn't act, nor talk, as huge flaming faggot.

>>725485591
damn, missed that one

>>725484127
>>725485591
In that sense the fetch quests are such an insult to the player, because they explicitly mentioned how their game is special and you'll never do anything a boring human would, like carry guns, but the quests are fucking boring.

>>725486103
maybe they think uber drivers are subhumans
would explain things

>>725486103
It's funny to me because any normal dev at least tries to dress up their fetch quests somewhat. But nope not BAFTA winners TCR. Deliver this package, faggot

>>725482494
>your token they/them is just a cute girl

>>725486682
>cute girl
>girl
Their pronouns are they/them, chud.

I’m sick of modern games having NPCs refer to the player character as they and them. Far Cry 5 did this shit. Is it wokeness or are devs too fucking lazy to record a few extra lines for he/her?

>>725485073
Thanks Anon, reading about her now.

>>725486767
Her pronouns are suck/fuck

>>725486832
Both

>>725486682
skrillex isn't a woman yet.

>>725484127
>>725486103
That stake behind you and automatic game over has to be the biggest fucking insult yet. An elder vampire, with legendary status to them, gets fucked by this nigga named Tolly this easily? Really? It's even dumber once mc gets stronger in the game, yet they still end the same. Seriously!? What a retarded joke. The game was clearly still made with thin blood in mind and it fucking shows.

>>725456995 (OP)
troonpires rekt, haha. get staked in your rotting bottom surgeries, pedo losers

>>725487490
>That stake behind you and automatic game over
That's gay.
In original game if you fucked masquerade too much you were returned to court and beheaded by sheriff, it made sense you fucked up and was punished for it by prince later, in endgame where you are strong enough to take on sheriff masquerade doesn't matter and you alredy have blood hunt on you so you aren't killed in custene.
Some nosferatu ancilla sneaking on elder with auspex or very keen senses is fake and gay.

>>725484127
>>725486103
Remember when one of the early side-quests in first game had you deal with a literal serial killer which was both creepy and funny? How about do side-quest for this thin-blood to find his gf only to find out that she was held captive and farmed by creepy doctors led by this creepy ghoul called Vandal. Or this said ghoul Vandal having more character and personality to him than literally every fucking character in this game and he was just a creepy vendor you bought stuff from?

I don't like using the word soulless, but it's the only way to describe this game. I'm almost positive that AI wrote this game. Just listen to how some of these characters talk. You hear what they say. You understand what they say, but nothing they say is how anyone with the ability to speak talks to one another.

>>725488840
Mr Damp was planned to be him because The Baron was meant to be Therese. All scrapped in TCR version though. They didn't even reuse his model anywhere as a different character, nor had mentions of him.

>>725489064
Yea, heard something of that sort. Which would honestly be a scary concept since Voerman twins are fucking 6th gen. Meaning, he'd be 7th. For a record, character like Beckett is 7th gen. Your mc in this game is probably either 7th or 8th as well. So having THAT guy at that level, considering how deranged he was as a ghoul, be a full vampire would be... interesting.
Well, he seems to have developed a habit for a "list" and to go psycho for those on a "list" of his. So, nevermind. He as a vampire seems to have better manners than he did as a ghoul back then kek

>>725489405
That's because Vandal as a ghoul was barely different to how he was prior it. Malk blood he was getting may have gotten him to act more out, but he was already that fucked before it. Not to mention that he was weird due to a fact that every ghoul should be bonded to their vampire master. Not him. He fucking hated his. This was not normal for a ghoul at all.

Anyway, what I wanted to say that if he did became a vampire, a full Malkavian, then yes. He would most likely develop some weird "quirk" from it because full Malk's blood would fuck him up in a different way than him just getting drops of it now and then. Which could result in "Mr Damp" like persona. Where he develops a weird killing habit in which he keeps it to the list only.

>>725489405
>>725489725
Ironically he had a "list" in first game too kek
It was "Queen Bitch's list" that he kept and it was for bodies. So... yup. Would make sense that this might've ended up being his Malkavian quirk upon turning.
Pointless to dwell on it now though. The whole concept is scrapped. Even if they return Mr Damp in some way, doubt it will be Vandal as they would need to return Baron as well and make it Therese, as it wouldn't make sense otherwise. Which they won't do.

>>725489064
All I know is that this had to be the doing of Jeanette persona. There is no way in hell that Therese side would ever consider siring him considering how unstable he was.

>>725490906
Therese killed her father. Jeanette was unstable but she lets you know Therese is much darker and more violent than she is, even if she appears more presentable.

>>725491057
>Therese is the worst, Jeanette told me so!

>>725490906
Therese shits on Jeanette for having sex with humans, but wanna know how good ol' Vandal became Therese's ghoul in the first place? kek

>>725491117
>therese kills father
>kills jeanette in some situations
>threatens to kill the player
>tung believes therese wants to kill him
>jeanette never shows any sign of violence
You fell for Therese's clean exterior. It's okay.

>>725490906
They were both unstable, Vandal was good candidate for Theresa, he was hard working and proffessional outside queen bitch remarks. It wouldn't be weird for her to embrace him. Malks like their candidantes crazy, so they can collect mental issues like fucking pokemons.
>>725489725
Vandal was psycho before becaming ghoul, Malks love to seek other crazy people, then malk blood made Vandal even more crazy because ghoul take some traits of their master so malk go crazy/ier and nos get uglier.

>>725491339
>>therese kills father
source

>>725491431
Play the game and pay attention to the dialogue when you're talking to people you fucking retard zoomer

>>725491057
Therese is also a control freak. Vandal was already wild as just her ghoul. Imagine now making him your childe. Sure, he still has a bond to you and his vampire persona (Mr Damp) is deranged in more controlled manner (list), but there is no way in hell that she would risk for this one "maybe" when it comes to him. There is no way in hell that she would know how would Malk's blood affect him to know if it will turn him more "agreeable" (it did, at least as far as og concept went), or was she about to make her potential enemy. Therese would never take this risk.
I heard that in og concept (when she was "The Baron" for this game) she wanted to take over, so she was gathering powerful allies on her side. Still, turning Vandal into full vampire was way too risky move.

>>725491151
That 100% had to be her Jeanette side as well. I just can't picture Therese trying to seduce anyone only to turn them into her ghoul.

>>725456995 (OP)
60 bucks for a game with no sidequests.
Core is weak, combat is a convoluted chore. Main plot is servisable, I guess, but some plotlines just go nowhere. Like rebar killer revelation.

>>725490325
This. It's hilarious how obvious they made it that it was him. I mean, cleaver alone on poster was already kind of on the nose, but then list obsession? Yup. If you catch him during his random rambles he does mention it few times. Even ponders about doing things, but then stops himself because Queen Bitch wouldn't like it as it is not on the list. Kind of funny that vampire him, while still deranged as fuck, seems more contained. He might be the first person ever for who Malkavian blood helped with his "condition" over ruin it. He is still fucked up. Still a lunatic, but at least now he doesn't mind his little "list" like before and has made it his main source for who he can hunt down and do..... whatever fucked up shit that he usually does.

>>725460115
>>725460256
No one knows how to play Lasombra though.
You'd do a better job playing a Ventrue as Nucky Thompson.

>>725491384
Vandal worked for her because he had no choice as him being a ghoul still meant he needed her blood. A thing he wouldn't need if she ever sired him. He would still have some bond to her, but it still a huge risk. Especially when you consider that said bond meant jack shit to him when he was a ghoul, and should've been more affected by it.
There is no way that control freak like Therese would ever consider this risk. Jeanette persona of hers absolutely would though. What I said right here >>725491575. Even if you say that maybe she did it due to her own ambition and she had to have allies of her own (like own childe), Vandal is way too much of a wildcard. You can argue that it worked out due to how Mr Damp turned out to be (a list obsessed freak), but there was no way for her to predict something like this to make such a huge risk.

>>725491431
>>725491520
wasn’t he fucking one of them lmfao and then her other personality was out and he didn’t know and she killed him

Is there anything as good as the hotel part of Bloodlines 1?

>>725481758
Its how the writers social circles talk to each other, especially to anyone white and/or male. They're horrible people who are used to their unpleasantness being accepted rather than punished.

>>725492536
It's not actually confirmed but implied that Therese killed him. He molested her, Therese claims he loved her and was depressed because of Jeanette being a promiscuous whore, and she claims that he killed himself because of that, but according to Jeanette, he came home and thought she was Therese, started molesting her, then Therese took over, got jealous, and shot him.

It's very schizo.

>>725492748
lol women amirite

>>725491575
Is he even aware of Jeanette thing? He exclusively refers to Therese only and he sends mails only to her. Even when talking of the incident, it's Therese he describes as she was icy. I doubt Jeanette would larp that hard as her "sister" to do something as this to a random serial killer. Especially when Therese does make him do weird shit for her in private. Sip her blood like it was a wine and play her butler basically kek

>>725493008
>female Malkavian
Wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole no matter how hot she is. That's too much mental illness for me.

>>725493179
Vandal is so fucking lucky

>>725456995 (OP)

Eh, I heard it's shit so it made me play the first game after all these years. It's not been a waste for me lol.

>>725493203
Beware of women bearing quests

>>725485813
>>725485813
>>725485813
https://youtu.be/6xRCZePzzqM?si=HW0JnrU5HCtk7zQ7
Gameplay from 2019. Look after 6:30, that's "Tolly" before someone decided to makenhim a self-insert

I suppose it was already obvious for anyone who isn't a retard but I just realized the whole split personality fucking/killing their dad happened long before their embrace
jesus

>>725493625
My convictions are failing...

>>725493179
Still less weird then him hiring escorts and demanding of them to bring pliers and a blowtorch for whatever the fuck reason.

>>725493796
>actually explains what the Jungle is
I don't remember anyone doing this in the release version, they just said yo go to the jungle

>>725493863
Yeah, she was always a lunatic. Jeanette was actually suppressed when she was in the mental institution after she was arrested for killing her dad, but when she got embraced by a Malk the theory is since Malk blood is always insane it brought Jeanette back out.

>>725491151
>>725493179
Therese's taste in men is interesting...

>>725494110
She is malk and not ventrue, anon. He is on point for her taste as such.

>ok so we can use the costumes that the previous devs did? It will save us work
>yeah most of those look pretty vampiresque
>but ummmm we would actually use development time to create proper steeets? sounds like work
>maybe if we cover everything in snow so we dont have to detail the streets?
>great idea, surely it wouldn't break anyone's immersion because their vampire runs outside in freezing temps wearing a shirt that's open down to the bellybutton

>>725484889
People cried way too much about the thinblood thing

>>725494110
>crazy malkavian whore is into sadistic mentally deranged serial killers
You don't say

>>725493796
Efi my beloved

What's the best clan to get embraced by if I just wanna stay home and play vidya?

>>725493796
looking back at it, the atmosphere was on point

>>725495165
Propably nosferatu, you'd get the same reaction from your doordash guy when they see you

>>725493179
>Is he even aware of Jeanette thing?
If you mean if he ever saw her in her Jeanette persona? Unknown.
However, he is her ghoul. If he ever did saw her as Jeanette, he would know it's her. Or at least should.
Vandal's bond to Therese might not be typical. However, his feelings for her are still obsessive, even if it's hate. He would still feel that bond for her if he saw her as a Jeanette.

>>725495165
tzimi, because you're forced to and you can summon rats for snacks

>>725493179
Hey, she is nice enough to pay bond bail for his ass that is like 20k after his weird ass failed to do his usual weird shit to one of the women that he does as his personal hobby. Least he could do is pour some blood for her in her glass.

>>725495165
Fools may say Nosferatu, but listen here childe, Tzimisce.
You can look however you wish. You can finally look like the CHAD you always wanted to be. Or even uglier fuck than you already are because you have ugly fat bastard fetish. Even enlarge that micro sized thing that you call a dick. You can also make your anime waifu finally real. You can make whole harem of your anime waifus real. You can make yourself a true isekai protagonist. With your desired fantasy world. All real. You don't even need to go out for food...you make it. You are happy neet for unlife.

>>725470325
Wasn't this game in dev hell forever? Being a 600 year old legend was probably the original idea that no one followed though with.

>>725495782
>you're forced to
Not really. Looking weird is completely your own personal choice as one. Many do it because they have obsession to look weird and scare the living shit out of everyone. Think about them as those weird body modification people. They are into that aesthetic.
Nosferatus are forced to look as they do. Let us not even go into Samedis because they have it even worse. The embrace pain never stops for them, it resets every night for them to go all over it again. As if that wasn't already bad, they have such stench to them that they have to be as far away from everyone because they are instant masquerade breach if they are somewhere near. At least Nossies can be in shadows, hide themselves, use their ability to mask their appearance, wear certain clothes, traverse trough sewers, etc. Samedi? Yea, none of that works because their smell just gives them away. Being in some middle of fucking nowhere is the only way for them.

>>725495782
>>725496161
Do they even embrace non-slavs into their ranks?

>>725496161
you can even have your own backpack loli

>>725496161
>>725495782
Somehow I can't think of Tzimisce as player characters, they are BBEG material.

>>725496649
>Looking weird
I was referencing their weakness before V5
the whole "native soil"
>>725496891
they embrace whoever they want, but since they can't (couldn't) spread far from their place of Embrace they were mostly slavs

>>725496649
I would unironically just wait for morning and sun to come to turn me to ash if Samedi embraced me. Fuck that! Watching your dick fall off and feeling the pain of it is already bad enough for one time, but having to go trough it every single night for the rest of eternity? Yea, no. I'm kissing the sun first thing in the morning.

>>725498071
Look at the bright side: You would have some of the best drip among kindred if you were samedi.

>>725456995 (OP)
>~12 hour game
>~6 hours as Phyre
>~6 hours as Fabien
>DLC with ~3 hours as Benny
>DLC with ~3 hours as Ysabella
>Playing as your protagonist unironically has less content than playing as other characters
What did they mean by this?

I don't care what she did. I need an ending where I can side with her.

>>725499592
It's more like 12 hours as Phyre, 2 hours as Fabien. (If you rush.)

>>725489064
Already wrote elsewhere in regards to that. It's more complicated than that.
Originally? Yes, that would be the concept, but things past Mitsoda got wonky there.
You had bunch of upper-ups who were debating whatever to even have Mr. Damp be a Malkavian at all due to how "offensive" such thing would be as he was completely deranged. They considered making him a Toreador instead. However, this wouldn't make sense due to his sire and boss (The Baron), being Malkavian as everyone knows (Therese). So, you had them considering to cut whole Therese=The Baron thing out, and make Mr. Damp unrelated to her (Vandal too). So, now Mr. Damp was just a new character (which is more than fine), but still Malkavian? Even though they had issues to make him one due to his eccentric personality and how "offensive" it would be to have him as one? Eh, never got it either back then. As for The Baron, their status was left at (???). They never figured out who to replace The Baron with. Probably some random character. Not that it mattered as whole project got into trash and new dev team got the project that you see now. Said new team didn't use Mr. Damp, nor The Baron. Only one of The Baron's enforcers. The black woman that you saw as hunter in this game.

To cut it short: In original conception he was Vandal, but after Mitsoda was out, no, and I don't need to explain TCR's version as he doesn't even exist.

>>725499794
I had zero emotional connection with her lmao, this fell so flat

>>725500027
>2 hours as Fabien
liar, it's 4 hours at least and it feels like 20 hours because of how boring it is, the gretest challlenge in this game is not quitting when they hit you with another walking simulator segment just before the final act

>>725500060
>You had bunch of upper-ups who were debating whatever to even have Mr. Damp be a Malkavian at all due to how "offensive" such thing would be as he was completely deranged
Kek, being deranged is whole point of malks.

>>725500060
>>725500434
Imagine wasting so much time and energy debating sensitivity concerms instead of just pulling the trigger on a story.

>>725500060
No wonder why every malk in this game didn't even act like one in the slightest and was boring as hell.

>>725500767
>Is this room too racist-coded? Redesign it from scratch. Again.
>Did that line of dialogue come across like a racist dogwhistle? Call the scriptwriter to call the voice director to call the voice actor to schedule another recording session.
>Her butt is overemphasized in that cutscene. Can we redo it without the male gaze objectification?
>We need to think about cultural sensitivity. We can't afford to alienate anyone. By the way, can you insert a reference to January 6th and incels so we can own the chuds?
Now I understand why games take 10 years and still come out as total garbage.

>>725479630
That shit is so retarded, it was one of the things I hated most about Requiem. The Fog of Eternity was just one of myriad design decisions in nWoD that invariably resulted in an eternal state of flux except for pockets of development. I'm fine with the stepping back from established canon in story to some extaent to avoid railroaded campaigns, but at some point there needs to be an establishment of real structure.

>>725501150
It's even worse because it's not a collaborative effort, it's more like "if you break one of the unspoken esoteric rules we change every other day you are fucked for life with no recourse", so everyone works in fear and produces the most bland inoffensive material possible.

>>725458793
I actually was alright with Fabien. His voice was too high but the general dialogue was what I expect out of a Humphrey Bogart-styled detective. I just fucking hated his story segments because they interrupted the flow of the game to give extremely shit information that didn't justify their existence at all. But it's just one among dozens of problems with this game.

>>725501517
They spent 2 years working on nothing but Fabien content only to make it skippable post-launch by overwhelming demand. 2 years on shit that they're basically removing from the game. They're so fucking stupid.

>>725499794
Everything about this game looks like a cheap WEG

>>725501710
WEGs usually try to have attractive women to fuck. This shit is sexless. You can't fuck Lou, you're just baited by her. Every attractive woman dies or is completely unfuckable. Your only options if you're not a faggot are a wrinkled senior citizen (as a "joke" not a malicious take that against straight men, honest!), a girlboss black woman who explicitly tops you (because you need to look like a weak faggot at all times, "powerful elder") and a mentally ill nonbinary theythem that is ironically the least offensively disgusting option. It's so retarded.

>>725501672
Really, the thought of selling customers a game peppered with flashbacks in a sequel to a cult hit that had nothing of the sort was an awful idea altogether. I haven't finished the game but playing so far the plot is...bearable. It certainly does not evoke the mystique of playing an Elder, and it loses the freedom of the PC being a blank slate, nevermind the inherent discord of having an Elder acting as a fucking errand boy.

The longer I type the more annoyed I feel, but suffice to say in a month thankfully nobody will remember this garbage.

>>725462243
Why the fuck did this chick randomly say "my love" out of nowhere? I actually had a double take when she said it. Even with the most flirtatious comments, at most the Nomad has essentially said "I like spending time around you, we should talk more."

>>725499794
>>725502535
>HAHA don't you love cute meek waifu characters!? take that chud!

>>725502535
>>725502724
It's all irrelevant and useless since she always dies anyway. But hey, there's the old granny and the black girlboss. Enjoy.

enjoying it

https://youtu.be/lPsQ6gZH-6s

>>725502535
I don't think even the other characters react to that when she says it in their presence

>>725503552
having a blast™

>>725503896
>>725503552
BLASTING IT

>>725496951
american mcgee allice lookin ass bitch

>>725461251
Why are you upset about vampires dying, are you retarded?

vampires are draculas.
everything else is gay bullshit.

>>725504089
kek

>>725500060
Worth noting that Fabien is a Malkavian and a serial killer, but it's kinda framed as a last resort on his part.

It has been almost two weeks since the Halloween update. I hope we get another patch this week, and I hope we start seeing design improvements instead of just fixes.

Also, I hope they improve performance.

>>725502535
Because she's mentally ill.

>>725505619
>design improvements
do you expect a no man sky's out of them? because it would need a whole other game worth of change to end with something decent, or at least fun to play

>>725505994
I expect more of a Dying Light 2. Improvements to combat, stealth, Fabien pacing, maaybe sidequest design, more animation polish, all that sorta stuff.

An example is that they want to make ir easier/more intuitive to complete quests stealthily.

>>725506239
yeah, so a whole other game worth of change
they would need to learn what "level design" means first though

Malkavian or Tremere?

>>725462328
>>725465281
>>725465486
You can lie to advertisers about your traffic more easily without poster counts.

If Hiroshimoot claims 4chan has 7 million active users but each thread has like 20 posters, well, it makes it obvious that those 7 million people are not active all the time. Whereas now, he can pretty much just claim whatever he wants and charge whatever he wants.

>>725506239
It won't make any goddamn difference if they don't fix what's actually wrong
>Make Lou fuckable
>Give Phyre more content
>Replace the retarded Tolly Mary Sue faggot shit
>Retool the planned DLCs to be from Phyre's perspective instead of the dumbfuck Fabien-like structure
>Remove the sadistic chinkshit dead cat from the apartment (wtf is wrong with these animal-hating leftists?)

>>725506239
I already suffered through the game once, the only thing that would make me come back besides gameplay improvements is a skip Fabien button, this is non-negotiable, I won't to play a single second as that faggot ever again in my life.

>>725503620
Yeah, that was another part of it too. Like this chick just used a phrase that even in normal mortal relationships would be viewed as somewhat odd spoken around colleagues. And none of them batted an eye? Fuckin writing in this game I swear

>>725507402
>skip Fabien
That will never change the fact a huge chunk of the game's budget and dev time went solely into funding those sections. It's so fucking funny. They wasted all of that.

>>725507553
It's more complex. The entire game was restructed around Fabien. Everything about Safia, The Gardener, the rebar killer, and how the plot threads connect together is a result of the Fabien rewrite.

>>725506674
The level design is good, though. (Half of it is copied from the previous dev.)

>>725507553
>reuse the exact same map with no new interesting areas or characters
>except now you are bound to waddling around at ground level
We need a case study to understand the chain of decisions led to this, it's too much for my small mind to comprehend.

>>725507243
Tolly is awesome. What are you whining about?

>>725507514
not even a little joke about blood bond that wouldn't lead to anything, nada

>>725507949
VTMB2 had turned into an action game, and people wanted more walking sim stuff. The whole purpose of Fabien aside from being an ecenomical way to patch up the story is that he is a direct countermeasure to "too much action" complaints.

>>725508045
>unironic faggot
>completely invincible
>solos you 1v1 despite you being le powerful elder
>of fucking course has an ending where he rules the city despite being a hideous gay freak
>even when he doesn't rule the city there's no situation where you can kill him or get him killed since his plot armor is the heaviest in the entire game (because he's le inspirationally disadvantaged wholesome gay queer faggot YAAAAAASSSSSS)
Fuck you retard

>>725508230
>people wanted more walking sim stuff
who

>>725507514
Everyone else just assumes you're fucking her.

>>725456995 (OP)
It's not great. Fine if you like a linear narrative game; horrifically disappointing if you like RPGs.

>>725508267
Tolly represents gay thoughts, stabbing you from behind when you least expect it.

>>725508302
Except you're not, and you can't. Can't fuck Lou either. Just a wrinkled granny and a black girlboss.

>>725507936
No, they're corridors and roofs, there is nothing exciting and nothing really makes use of your mobility/powers/strenght/telekinesis ability
also there are only two ennemy types and they're both stupid

>>725456995 (OP)
>aggressively mediocre without any form of redeeming normie-slop qualities like companions or multiplayer
>>725457269
They can, they just have a high bar to beat now as people will be comparing it to previous single player games

>>725508540
kek based. I do think he's part of the game's problems. Character isn't either a particularly good gay portrayal or a good character, and he sort of does nothing himself. That's a complaint I have about a lot of the characters though, most of them just don't really look good or have charisma to them. And the few that do end up either dead or irrelevant

>>725508285
Playtesters. They wanted
>Less action.
>Malkavian stuff.
>For Fabien to not be a whiny thinblood bitch.
So they took the work in progress "The Malkavian" story DLC where you played a Malkavian detective and stripped it for parts, splitting the main story into Phyre and Fabien sections. Fabien was rewritten into a Malkavian and his role in the story pivoted a lot.

This ArtStation is interesting because it shows the "Ritual warehouse" from before the Fabien rewrite.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/eRNk5b

In this version it kinda looks like Fabien was sacrificed as part of a ritual. I don't think he was diablerized originally.

>>725462328
>>725465281
IDs would obliterate the spammers & narratives and pushed here and out marketers immediately. I hate that we don't use them for this.

>>725508542
You can fuck all the clan contacts. So Patience, Niko, Silky, Onda, Mrs. Thorn, and Fletcher.

>>725508851
>Playtesters
I guess they didn't playtest those new sections then
Else those "playtesters" might have told them they were dogshit
A short cinematic would have achieved the same effect, and would have been a lot cheaper
At this point I think they're just lying, there were no playtester, they just saw that their "action game" was shallower than fucking Wet and tried hiding it with a miserable amount of padding

>>725508851
>less action stuff
Was a clear indicator that the game's action wouldn't be able to carry the mediocre story, the solution wasn't
>less gameplay
but perhaps
>more investigative/open design gameplay
>guns
>plot that doesn't suck
>genuine sidequests
Among other things, pretty much shows that Paradox and TCR didn't have a lot of confidence in their product. Let's not even get started on how underbaked Fabien's malkavian shit is compared to Bloodlines 1

>>725508230
>>725508851
I like how you pretend the only choices are mindless action or linear walking sim/glorified cutscene.

>>725509072
And somehow they're mostly all worse options than Ryong and Lou I'd even say Benny . It's fundamentally a writer/character designer problem

>>725508851
> Look what these evil playtesters did to my precious game.
Kek, is that how Paradox managers cope?

>>725508775
Tolly is a good character, though. He's a giant fag like Silky, but a cunning and manipulative one. He's the real power behind the throne, not Lou.

>>725508302
That's not a thing in VtM generally, that's what makes it even weirder no one said anything in that scene. Kindred can engage in coitus if they like, but it's typically done for reasons other than pleasure. It's rare for Kindred to be aroused in such a way, because the pleasure of the Embrace outshines it by a country mile. Kindred as a whole don't experience emotion the same way humans do, they can best be described of echoes of who they once were, rather than true emotions.

>>725508052
Exactly, given the writing style of the game you figure they would have that kind of shit all over. It just altogether is jarring, like there were supposed to be a fuckton more dialogue to justify this kind of change somehow.

>>725500060
Question. Was it Paradox who were being giant bitches about this stuff, or was it Hardsuit?

>>725509315
on paper maybe
the other characters NEVER mention him if he's not there, they always refer to lou, sometimes ryong
"oh my god he's ruthless" says the tiny voice in your head, the game just forgot to SHOW THAT

>>725457269
Yes they do. Plenty of indies have proven they can.

>>725509154
No, you have to remember that TCR's audience wouldn't be buying Bloodlines 2 expecting an action game.

>>725509570
>That's not a thing in VtM generally,
Welcome to modern VTM where it is absolutely a thing.

>>725509592
Nobody remembers Tolly exists. That is intentional. He's absolutely the one who helped the anarchs breach Weaver tower, BTW. He's skulking around the city scheming and plotting.

>>725509679
TCR is a legal name, it does not have audience. People who are talking about the game, let alone bought it, are the audience of VtM or Bloodlines.

>>725477703
Still remains one of the dumbest things I've read in the last decade.
Whomever thought this nonsense up should be drug out into the street and shot.

>>725509864
Still Wakes the Deep is absolutely a better known game than Bloodlines.

>>725509860
yeah, so when he proclaims himself the Prince, what will happen?
A Tolly Roast! he might even like it

>>725509757
That's retarded, but I'm not surprised they changed it for modern VTM to better suit "modern" RPGs. What else did they change?

>>725509679
Bloodlines was an action-rpg, and the action it had was pretty decent for the year. It wasn't a knockout but it was serviceable and fun. This one is just about serviceable but there's none of the good filler between combat that people enjoyed Bloodlines for

>>725509315
>>725509860
That's cool but like, maybe the game should have gone out of your way to show you instead of telling you or letting you just guess what's happening in the background. The other problem is that realistically the other ventrue/lasombra/toreador in the city wouldn't be okay with him as Prince. I can somewhat excuse the happenings considering that Lou was a fucking insane bitch who got over half of the kindred in the city killed

>>725509951
I'll allow myself to doubt what you just said.

>>725500146
Agreed. I was immediately suspicious of a century-old Tremere being such a stumbling buffoon and laying it on too thick with her dialogue and about how much she cared for her ghouls.
Instantly felt it was a front and that I was being manipulated, reinforced by how I had no option to tell her to fuck off or question why a fellow Tremere was being absurd.

>>725505248
Yeah but we never really get a whiff of his desperation for being a serial killer, he barely acts like a Malk

>>725509072
>Patience
Theythem
>Onda
Black girlboss
>Mrs. Thorn
Wrinkled granny

So exactly like I said? Don't even bother listing men. Are you refuting my point that you can't fuck Safia or Lou?

>>725473794
The animation explicitly uses his unique four fingered mutated hand.

>>725510935
Winkled Granny is kind of based, actually. I just wish she wasn't the only based choice in a game with 3 hot bitches in power that WOULD try to rizz you

>>725460717
the main thing that really annoys me is when titty's mcgee starts using dominate on her prince to force an issue while you, an Elder, could be a ventrue and just use your own dominate

>>725511821
>no option to immediately call out Lou or kill her
>no option to intervene
>have to be ledgy elder vampire with no empathy and low humanity

>>725511821
I like how, when the fledgling tries to dominate Therese, she is neither insulted nor affected by it. She seems more bewildered that you would even try to dominate her, and does her version of laugh in your face telling you that it doesn't work the way you, the player, think it does.

Then, if you resist LaCroix's orders, he dominates you, which helps establish the power scaling (at that point in the game).

>>725456995 (OP)
even DARK was a better vampire game

>>725511821
They make it seem like you HAVE to follow her order since she's the Prince and you like to follow the rules, but then again, aren't you as the sheriff technically supposed to defend the Prince in that situation?
I don't get it, is it meant to be interpreted as a player only knowledge thing? Like Phyre didn't know Lou used dominate, the effect is only for the player, I'm not sure if that works that way.

>>725477703
>They bactracked some but even then tzimisce lost their unique flesh crafting discipline, it's now protean(just like gangrel) Lasombra's unique discipline is shared with other clan, so clans losing their unique discipline.
What the fuck that is absolutely awful, what were they thinking??? Genuinely not fucking around what the hell was their plan with doing that, it's like ruining something out of spite.

>>725512516
Lasombra obtenebration is now Oblivion + Dominate I think, whereas necromancy is Oblivion + Blood Magic (rebranded thamaturgy)
Tzimisce clan special is now an amalgam of Blood Magic and Dominate. Don't worry anon, everyone else finds it incredibly retarded

>>725479293
>>725479638
Cause their Tremere mommy incited them to rebel.
She loved her "children" more than clan Tremere.

>>725512881
Everything I like in the last 15 years has been corrupted by fuckwits.

>>725512184
i had forgotten about that game until recently. i remembered how people generally disliked it and seeing the similarities between the games made me feel unsurprised that vtmb2 was being disliked.

>>725511310
You are not immune to push-up bras and makeup

>>725511331
>(retarded thing) is kind of based, actually
/v shill handbook, page 11.

Honestly they should have just made a disco elysium ripoff with a malkavian gumshoe

>>725513090
Welcome to the club anon
>AAA gaming in the shitter
>most IPs are going under because they remove the "chuds" responsible for penning it
>Tabletop is getting fucked because the chuds are once again barred from acting
>the leftover guys are too spiritually psyoped by the modern age to produce anything without an agenda
I'm not a doomer but well, shit's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. At least the art generally has maintained a level of consistent quality if we ignore 5E dnd

>>725513550
Name a better option in the game
>>725513593
Would have been but neither TCR nor Paradox have the creative talents for it. There's a studio making a VtM disco-clone but it's in dev hell

>>725456995 (OP)
grok wrote me a better vtmb story than this slop

>>725510935
Why would you want to fuck women when big muscular men are right there?

>>725513610
>has forgotten the AI art problem

>>725514647
I mean TTRPG art, most of it has come out before AI

>>725507105
malkavian that diablerizes tremere for blood magic

>>725514828
Blood sorcery is one those things that vampires can learn without any specific bloodline requirements or sucking off someone to death.

>>725511310
I've spent a good amount of time looking at Jeanette's tits and I'm pretty sure those are larger than normal.

I just completed the sewers with this, I don't know what you people's problems with the sewers are.

>>725514828
Good idea, rolling a malk qt and cheating her thaumaturgy now.

>>725515160
I never had much of an issue with the sewers but it's a lot worse if you're a melee character without Celerity. The big monsters are tough for them.

>>725515358
brotip:
you don't have to actually fight the big monsters

>>725515106
Good luck even getting started without a Tremere to suck off

>>725456995 (OP)
They Should've made her Romanceable

If you unironically enjoy this "game" you're a worthless waste of oxygen and I'm better than you.

>>725515458
Her tits needed to be at least three times their current size for me to even care about her.

>>725515429
How am I gonna get EXP if I don't fight them?

>>725515490
>I am a porn addicted gooner coombrain tranny faggot please rape my face

>>725515490
the most based comment ive read in this shithole in ages
peak white man

>>725515786
k
keep me posted

>>725515786
the entirety of bloodlines 2 is trannycore

>>725515592
you don't get exp for killing shit in this game

>>725515457
Just surprise blood bond one, they're weak to that, the sluts.

you know its grim when the best vampire game is still just modded skyrim

>>725515950
>is so ass
>this shit
why is she talking like yoda?

>>725456995 (OP)
Can you fuck lou in this game yes or no?

>>725516584
Even if you're shitposting which you probably are I hope your mother contracts cancer and dies in immense, prolonged pain while she begs and screams and cries for you to give her relief

>>725516584
i miss when this website wasnt inundated with retarded niggers and/or people pretending to be retarded niggers, which is the same for all intense purposes

>>725516652
nta but that was kinda rude

>>725516770
>for all intense purpose

kissa the pisha

>>725516836
I dont mind.
let him vent.
>>725516851
kek

>>725470325
>>725458793
>... ancient vampire
>one of the most feared and powerful beings in WOD
>end up as glorified delivery boy for every vampire than should be beneath you
You basically described the morons who think Cain was the taxi driver in VTMB1.
Lets just chill with Jack for the lulz, because it modern vampire politics totally matters to him.

>>725516836
If you wanna talk like that to me why don't you come here and say it to me face so i can answer your insults with a swift fist to the nose. yea you have a lot to say from hundreds of miles away but i bet if my fists were in reach of your face you would be like a tv on mute with no volume button So do yourself a favor and keep your mouth shut unless you want to die. Next time you think about saying something like that to me I want you to remember one thing. I know the guy that created google maps and I can locate you in the time it took me to type this.Don't want anymore problems....didn't think so faggot. You have any idea what gorilla warfare is? I do, I was in the US Marine Core and I perfected it. I'm fully capable of using it on you motherfuckers. Do you know the dander your in if I find you? I am 100$ serious. Bunch of god damn newfaf loser here and I will not have it. At least I've had sex, had girlfriends, and gotten laid, and blowjobbed unlike you virgin pieces of unpatriotic SHIT

>>725515458
They nerfed her tits for no fucking reason.

>>725456995 (OP)
I dropped it to play some chink rpg that's infinitely more fun.
>Make character
>Find Lu Bu
>Find Lu Bu has a 10/10 underage daugther
>Become sworn bros with Lu Bu and learn all his techniques while seducing his daughter
>Kill a tiger and take its penis (an aphrodisiac u see)
>Sell out Lu Bu to Cao Cao and then once Lu Bu is dead, fight Cao Cao for possession of Lu Bu's daughter, wife and harem
>Eat tiger penis and break the bed mating his daughter
>Produce wargod son that is now 12yr old and been on adventures with me that make a mockery of Dad of War
10/10

one of my favorite levels

>>725458793
>amazing idea to start the game playing as an ancient vampire
fuck off

>>725496951
we will never have a Tzimisce tranny video game, will we?

I fucking hate trannies

>>725518917
now that would be a good game
all the girls try to use him = raped like lilith
all the boys try to slight him = killed like abel

>>725517892
Which one? Sounds based.

>>725457269
Wrong.

>>725477703
>animale du jour

>>725513610
Its like lancing a boil
Hurts like shit but all the poison will seep out when the money leaves

>several of the visual novels has the same malkavian private detective named Gianni D'Angelo
>his "curse" manifests in an extremely simple need to sometimes narrate his own actions in his head like he's a 1920's gumshoe
>he actually IS a detective so nothing he does is really out of character, completely negating the curse of Malkav

>Flatlines 2 actually has the audacity to make ANOTHER vampire detective who's even more fucking lame than the one within the same franchise that they stole the idea from

Are you serious?

>>725456995 (OP)
>three weeks
More like a single week, and even then it was carried by negative outrage.

>>725518301
>enemies cast Draw out the Beast
>characters start feeding on your own party

>>725496951
Honestly surprised over the years there wasn't a single smug vampire little girl in VTM that wasn't completely miserable like pic related, but I guess that's more a jap trope

>>725522906
Like people already said before, it's clear Fabien was the character TCR wanted to make the game about. His Malkavian OC status confirms it because that's the worst way how players want to game the clan bane aka turn it into a NON weakness.

Someone is already working on a mod to skip Fabien's dreams.
https://www.nexusmods.com/vtmbloodlines2/mods/131?tab=description
This is something that is really tricky because if you remove all the dreams, the plot makes no fucking sense. The way the current version of the story is written, absolutely critical plot revelations happen in these flashbacks, and characters from these dreams show up in the modern day and you're expected to know who they are.

I feel like the devs need to come up with a more elegant solution than skipping the flashbacks outright. At the very least, they need to be replaced with a short cutscenes flashing through key plot points. That actually seems like a decent fix, honestly. Just let the player experience the dream (and make improvements to how they're paced) or condense it down to a 60-120 second cutscene.

>>725523404
Malkavian Fabien is a fairly late addition to the story by writers who joined the game mid-production.

>>725523708
They could be smalll cutscenes.

>>725523219
VTR can be so mechanically complex, feeding on your own friends to keep going is cool, it's a shame the latter games have no coterie, they make it seem like VTM is a solo RPG when the party dynamics is very important for the TTRPG.

>>725523870
Redemption in general put in effort to adapt systems that sometimes clashed with the sort of game it was. Then again, BL2 went into total opposite direction and totally dropped basic systems.

The whole debate around Fabien actually drives home why a lot of games end up with cut content. Think about Cyberpunk 2077, and all the material they allegedly cut from that game, same with The Witcher 3 cutting most of the third act of the story. Sometimes you have content that is in theory really important to the story but it doesn't work the way you had hoped.

The same is true of the original Bloodlines. Stuff like playable Malk, playable Nosferatu, most of the later hubs, these should have been, and they should have focused on Santa Monica and Downtown.

>>725456995 (OP)
>get woke
>go broke
many such cases

>>725523870
Shouldn't Serena's blood kiss be painful as a Cappo?

>>725523986
>Stuff like playable Malk, playable Nosferatu, most of the later hubs, these should have been, and they should have focused on Santa Monica and Downtown.
You belong on a cross, neonate.

>>725524064
SKEET SKEET SKEET

>>725523708
I feel like nobody would mind these flashbacks if they were significantly sped up. Stop it with the useless backtracking. People are annoyed at how the scenes are paced. Some of them could be condensed into a cutscene. Others are fine, they just need a good tighten up.

>>725523986
this is not exactly a typical case as you had new developers take over the project

>>725524064
Drop kicking is crazy OP. You can completely mog Benny in the boss fight just by drop kicking him over and over.

>>725524371
Believe it or not, the exact same thing happened to Cyberpunk. The Cyberpunk we got was by a different team within CDPR to the original version. They came in, threw away the third person CRPG-style game that the previous devs had been doing, and decided to make a FPS/RPG-lite.

>>725524064
Evil Tremere magic

>>725523870
>>725523982
I wish its modding took off like NWN1 because potential and some of the tools were there.

>>725456995 (OP)
Everyone knew it would be. All the signs were there.

>>725524501
What did CP77 in was CDPR got Witcher 3 money and went crazy.

>>725515106
ahh ok

>>725515195
based

>>725477703
i feel like someone like that would get bored of kine politics very quickly. maybe you'd give a shit about trump for like a few years, but after that why even care? do you care about the inner politics of a herd of cows? at most you might look at it for entertainment.
rudi would get laughed at for standing up to some random black cows like we laugh at peta

>>725477703
rudi my beloved

>>725457269
yes it was definitely the fact that it was single player and not the fact that it was a fucking horrible pretend "game" made as an excuse to give you a lecture about how lesbians and trannies are totes upvoted and heckin' liked and subscribed

>>725493796
this looks kinda ok. as in i can tell this is trying to do vtmb2
actual vtmb2 is a visual novel with a retarded plot that at best pays lip service
if it wasn't for the name current vtmb2 would be just an oddity a few people in these threads would laugh at and be done with it

Playing as Elder don't work if you are then errand boy of any vampire in the game, being based on v5 edition of VTM doesn't help. Pyrie could have worked only if any other vampire is gen lower and 100 years older than you instead you became doormat for vampires centuries younger than you.
HSL version with thin blood thingie would be extremly gay, but al least it would be consistent with you being a pushover of any vampire in the game.

Take first game for example, you were fledgling so you were errant boy for everyone but elders like Sebastian, Strauss, Jack, Issac were respected. Hell even younger vampires like Nines or Garry still held respect of their faction. Oh and if you new errand boy on the block disobeyed Prince then you got dominated to do what he wanted you to do. In 2 you play as eldest vampire in city, are given title of sheriff and you still are doormat errand boy.

bet of night makes me want to kill myself

>>725530136
More like best of night

>>725529961
most characters are only pretending to respect lacroix but otherwise yeah

>>725456995 (OP)
Is this Daisy Ridley?

>>725523870
In Hollywood and Chinatown you fight alongside NPCs a few times. I think they probably wanted to add more companions throughout the game but may not have had the time to do so.

>>725531304
Pretend is good enough.
Strauss think LaCroix is bitch but don't show it openly unless it's time to strike in cammy ending, then he just make auspex call, leave you to clear tower and then auspex projects into LaCroix's chair like a boss.
Jack and Nines despite hating his guts don't show open hostility when i same place, Nines only react when you are to be executed.
There is order and decorum, everyone is manipulating everybody, but they are subtle about it.
No one shittalk elder or even older ancilla when he's in the room, well unless it's right before his final death.

>>725458793
>>there is Tolly who is the most insufferable person in the game and the rest are just one-note characters who are defined by a single trait only
Its funny because I think Tolly is the only character in the game that is like a real WoD vampire. He is a sparkling flaming fairy faggot who thrusts his deformed sexuality because he can, because he realizes that that being a vampire is actually being an outsider and a Nos makes him an outsider of outsiders and he wants to get weird with it, like all Nos.

The thing I hate is that no one looks like a vampire. They all look like normal people, even Tully looks like a human hunchback, not a vampire hunchback. Even the most basic thing of the vampires having fangs. Like in 1 you can easily see every character's fangs when they talk but in 2 you barely ever see any fangs let alone a disconcerting dead like appearance all vamps have.

gary golden is my nigga this new nosferatu tolly is terrible

>>725532685
>who thrusts his deformed sexuality because he can
Bullshit. He shouldn't be able to, because you're a FUCKING ELDER. There's no goddamn reason he's able to push you around and solo you in a fight. Don't fucking give that shit a pass. The reason he can and the reason he has absolutely invincible plot armor is extremely fucking obvious. Because he's a faggot and so are the devs. They'd never let you defy their wholesome chungus fairy. Don't pretend that's a positive. What the fuck is wrong with you.

I had fun for like 50 hours. 6.4/10 tb.h glad I pirated it

>>725532685
in v5 nossies are hecking wholesome, they don't have to even be ugly, they can hang out with humans no problem

i can’t into vtmb2 because it takes place in 2024. i fucking hate how the world looks these days.

>>725459887
The "x approves" messages just completely take me out of a game and it's baffling that they used it in 2025. I guess it's to be expected from devs who only made walking sims, and pretty mediocre ones on top of that. Like think about the best walking sims, none of them were made by them even though that's all they do, no one in the history of gaming has made more walking sims and they haven't made a single good one? Come on

>>725532913
In today's enlightened world, even old Nossies would just be seen as a dude with costume

>>725477703
did any of the books include tranny vampires

>>725459887
>The game keeps telling you to watch how you treat characters (they even have the game tell you when some character approves or not of something), because it will supposedly impact something...
It affects how characters react to you and things you can say to them. The most overt example of this is how your interactions with Fabien go at the end of the game if you were a dick to him.

The game basically isn't interested in having a branching story, and instead all the reactivity goes into "Hi" vs "Hello" level character nuances.

>>725532685
>Even the most basic thing of the vampires having fangs.
Actually, every single vampire character in 2 has unique fangs. They put a huge amount of work into it, it was one dev's job just to make unique fangs.

>>725467885

I liked the original better.

>>725534090
>look it up
>1999
Why do weebs always think their slant-eyed gods invented everything?

>>725467885
This game would have been better off as a VN. The combat was dogshit.

>>725534245
I liked it, it's that classic AA game vaguely pretending to be soulslike style. Using the big bonk stick to get automatic stuns was fun
It stops being fun in the endgame if you're doing a pacifist playthrough on hard because they suck at balancing

>>725470325
Age isnt a direct indicator of strength, it's which generation you are. Thr closer to Cain thr stronger you will be. This can be messed with by eating other vampires.

Which is another insane point that in WoD you dont drink other vampires and phyre does that to tons of vamps, ghouls, and half bloods. While most vampire rules relate to maintaining the masquerade chomping eachother is one of their strongest and few laws outside of that. Even drinking halfbloods is a big violation of this rule.

>>725530136
Sadly, Bet of Night is the perfect microcosm of the development of this. A soulless skinwalker clone pretending to be the original despite not understanding what made it interesting, good, funny, or memorable, yet having the sheer delusion to think you are god's gift and your talent is undeniable.

>>725456995 (OP)
Elder vampire gets stabbed on the back by lesser weaker ones despite being sheriff
Also made to do all of the chores
Lmao

>>725532913
>in v5 nossies are hecking wholesome, they don't have to even be ugly, they can hang out with humans no problem
that's exactly why they should've cancelled the whole thing with the Gehenna scenario in 2004 and let it stay that way.

>>725534450
Half right, half wrong
Generation dictates your maximum power, age dictates how much power you actually have

>>725534459
Bet of Night is interesting because it wasn't written by the team who made VTMB2. It was basically more of a Paradox/White Wolf-side thing. Most of the callers are people related to Paradox and the WoD community.

>>725534459
Doesn't that describe Troika's VTMB as well, though? Nothing about that game really feels like it understands VTM Redemption. What really strikes me about Redemption is how sincerely religious it feels, but VTM Bloodlines is basically fedora tipping atheism in a trenchcoat.

>Kindred don't breathe air
>Also Kindred

>>725534790
VTMB was a direct sequel to VTMR and marketed as such?

>>725477640
>if Beckett (actual elders in general)
>doesn't get the information he wanted?
>fucks off instead of doing a fetch quest for shitters (will get violent on all of them if he feels pushed)
>gets threatened by some lower shitter like Tolly
>makes them see why he has those permanent gangrel marks and that he indeed is a gangrel that isn't patient one bit
>doesn't abide by anyone's rules but his own even if that gets him on the bad side of Prince themselves most of Princes are smart enough to know to avoid angering him (even LaCroix had that much sense to him when dealing with Beckett and his clear provocations)
Vs
>le legendary 'Nomad' Phyre
>doesn't get the information needed and gets disrespected on every turn in the process?
>still does every little fetch quest for them like a little bitch
>gets threatened by some lower shitter like Tolly
>takes it like a little bitch and worst of all even can get solo'd by him 1v1 (our ancient everyone)
>despite the fact that they are the oldest vampire and most powerful they act like an obedient little bitch that gets pushed by everyone
WHO APPROVED THIS JOKE!? Why didn't these gay testers, who wanted more powerful mc, complain what a fucking bitch mc is in the first place?

>>725534803
They can still smoke by going through the motions. It's mostly a habit they've kept to from their human lives.

>>725534803
You can tell her "bitch, your lungs don't even do anything" and her only answer is "everyone's got their vices". I still don't get it
I preferred it in 1 when the dude does experiments on you and he starts by flooding the room with carbon monoxide which the MC doesn't even notice lel

>>725534803
>arcade machine says Diogenes instead of Polybius
heh :)
still not buying it though

>>725466706
Vtmb's writers were all born in the late 60s and 70s you jackass retard nigger

>>725534814
It's tricky. VTMB only got greenlit because Activision wanted to capitalize on VTM Redemption by making a follow-up. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell the difference between franchise and sub-franchise.

For example, nobody would argue that Resident Evil: Requiem is not a sequel to the earlier games. Same with nobody failing to understand that Assassin's Creed Shadows is a sequel to Assassin's Creed Valhalla despite having no characters or settings from Valhalla.

It's weird because every single VTM game is very tonally different from the last. And they have all been retroactively shoved into the v5 continuity. So these games are all in a shared universe. There isn't a separate Bloodlines timeline.

>>725534863
only cringe mary sues do that

>>725534843
Exactly! Elders in the first game were beyond respected/feared even if other party was annoyed by them. Jack was the best example as every Anatch, Nines included, was annoyed by him but they knew to leave him alone, not try to push him, precisely because he is older than all of their asses (lower gen too). These were Anarchs at that! Yet even they had SENSE to them to not try someone who was an elder and just let him be. Regardless of how much his "inactivity" and refusal to join their shenanigans pissed them off.

>>725535150
Yeah. The game got a lot of hype from the VTMR fans, especially since now it was set entirely in the modern days setting and was an FPS. Sadly, this made the VTMB reach a far different audience, including people who never played VTMR in the first place.

>>725534863
It's also an easy way to fake breathing.

>>725534863
they tend to humanize vampires to the point it looks ridiculous. I get the whole humanity thing and the Prometheans but come on.

>>725535224
>especially since now it was set entirely in the modern days setting and was an FPS
That anon who kept posting screenshots from it said the modern times and guns were the worst part of VTMR
I'll get around to playing it soon to verify that myself

>>725535150
>>725535224
Truth be told I think VTM as a brand would be more unified if the rightsholders worked to bring all these games to a new audience. Redemption could be really popular if it had a high quality remake or really extensive remaster. The way things hashed out, most VTMB fans have not played any games other than VTMB. That's partially the motivation for calling VTMB2 VTMB2.

>>725535260
everyone can tell if you're not actually inhaling and exhaling the smoke and who the fuck would waste vitae to fake that all the time

>>725535364
Fuck off shill

>>725535402
The Vampire Lords weren't as cringe as some characters in VTMB2 desu

>no announcement of game
>no marketing of game
>sequel to niche, unpopular game
>development hell

It was doomed from the start.

It feels like every VTM game has been given half the budget it should have been given. It's very obvious to me that publishers whether they're Paradox or Nacon or even Fast Travel Games who did VTM Justice don't have faith in the brand or the subject matter and are extremely wary about splurging big bucks.

I personally think that Paradox, if they actually cared about VTM, should buy the rights to games like Swansong, and bring in a developer to release a remaster or an update that improves the animation, fixes bugs, and just brings it up to the level of quality people expect.

>>725456995 (OP)
Truly terrible.

It's an insult to Redemption and Bloodlines.

>>725535312
>That anon who kept posting screenshots from it said the modern times and guns were the worst part of VTMR
>I'll get around to playing it soon to verify that myself
was it me? I can't remember. Yeah, Guns were pretty boring. They function just like the crossbows but hit instantly and you miss more. If you pump strength and use Protean you can deal way more damage.

>>725535454
Fuck on secondary who never even played Redemption. There's a really compelling game hiding under the jank, but Activision don't give a shit. They actively hinder things like remasters and remakes. They're the ones stonewalling a VTMB1 remaster.

>>725529961
Sebastian and Isaac aren't elders bro. They are "young" by vampire standards. Isaac in particular should be younger than even Sebastian as he is from Hollywood era specifically. He should be like 100+ at best. He might look like an old man, but by vampire standards, he is a young vampire. However, he is respected due to his contribution and a position within vampire society.
Only elders in the first game were Jack, Beckett, and Strauss who was in particular the oldest among them. All of which make fun of Sebastian openly. Beckett was the worst as he directly made mockery out of LaCroix when they met. First he disrespected him by calling him by his actual name over LaCroix like everyone else, then he kept responding sarcastically to whatever Sebastian asked and Sebastian just had to take it. Which was a nice example of elders Vs non-elder vampire when they clash. Beckett (an elder) gives no fuck to be respectful despite the other being a Prince, and LaCocks, despite being a Prince who will dominate your ass if you don't listen to him, just takes it and has to endure Beckett (let him do as he wants) because even he has sense to not and try push an elder fucking vampire! This is how every one of these fuckers should act with you too! As you are Strauss tier of fucking old. Older than even Beckett, yet you get zero respect. None whatsoever and have to live in a fear of this faggot named Tolly that is beneath you in every way (from age to your generations) kek

>>725517220
The difference there was that if that was Caine, he was doing it because it amused him and not because some knuckle-dragging faggot lick who got embraced last Thursday told him to.

>>725535484
all they had to do was give us christina hendrix (in her prime) vampire dating sim with explicit titty flopping sex scenes, and they didnt do that. to that of which i say FUCK YOU

>>725535539
>Activision
and now it's all a part of Microshit, the OG of all evil global corpos from the 1990s. We'll never see anything from them.

>>725535585
These broccoli haired kindred just have no respect for their elders these days bwo

the only way a VtM can be done well is by making it a CRPG. It's a tabletop game that relies heavily on conversation and cinematic encounters and not so much on combat and action. Bloodlines 2 tries to do both and fails spectacularly. We must retvrn to our roots. Death to zoomers that need stimulating action gameplay.

>>725477703
The funniest shit to me in V5 is how they united all the necromancy clans and bloodlines who notably have hated each other since the dawn of time into one single clan because they all apparently had a big meet up and decided to be friends all of a sudden.
Then they took away the Necromancy discipline and just gave them the Lasombra shadow powers instead.

>>725535782
that wouldn't be too bad. Making the game more like a tabletop and heavily non-linear and lore-heavy is exactly what VTM fans would have liked to see. Obviously it's not lioke the original Bloodlines but I think that even Bloodlines fans would appreciate it.

>>725534843
This. It's funny that play testers complained about you being a mere thin-blood, wanting to be more powerful, but apparently missed how NPCs treat your character in general. Cool. You got your "powerful mc" on paper with them being an ancient, but now everything feels worse because NPCs still treat you in a way they would treat a thin-blood aka have no respect or fear of you.
No comment on whole Tolly's "teleports behind you and stabs your ANCIENT vampire haha nothing personal boomer" moment in the game and just how fucking retarded it is.

>>725535782
The roots of the crpg genre all have shitloads of combat though. I love DE but I wouldn't say it's the same genre as classics like Fallout

>>725535502
>It feels like every VTM game has been given half the budget it should have been given.
Okay listen, we have reached a point in all society where building something from the ground-up is just not necessary or taught in school. In school they teach you how to manage something that already exists. Nobody in any position of management is trying to make "the good thing" they are just trying to make something that sells enough to justify their existence although in some video games that is debatable given how much shit is purposely made bad but in that case the people working don't know it's bad and the management doesn't care in either case because they're just looking at the bottom line.

The problem is that all this management education is geared towards managing a homogeneous product - like a food product or tool manufacturing. You can't "cut corners" when it comes to making some product with art elements like video games. If you fuck up the art the game fails.

The point is that you have to understand nobody making video games CAN make video games anymore - the people making this shit are making games like they are growing corn and their "care" only extends so far as to getting this stupid fucking product to market. VTMB sold, i's corn that sold before so they're going to repackage it again to sell to you. They don't give a fuck about why the corn sold last time they're just selling you "corn" and they only have to fucking sucker you once to justify their job and existence, which is exactly what happened to VTMB and every other godforsaken soulless Battletoads remake/sequel of anything.

>>725535992
Ironically, Bloodlines 1 can be classed as a CRPG. It just isn't isometric like they normally are. It has a character sheet, skill checks and you can go through most of the game avoiding combat through dialogue. KOTOR is similar in that like VTM it straddles between CRPG and ARPG,. though leans much closer to CRPG.

>>725535405
I think the point is it's not wasting blood. You don't really smoke, it's more that people see you with a cigarette and you occasionally puff some smoke out. Although, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to smoke since you have something resembling functional lungs at least in terms of intaking air since you can talk.

>>725535782
>the only way a VtM can be done well is by making it a CRPG. It's a tabletop game that relies heavily on conversation and cinematic encounters and not so much on combat and action.
That's literally what VTM Swansong is.

>>725535782
there's no reason you can't do good action and good non-action sequences. bloodlines 2 failed at both for many reasons, acting like it failed for trying to do both is just dishonest and trying to make your own suggestion seem better. people still like imagining some cool action sequences even if the focus is more on social stuff.

>>725534843
>>725536000
The worst part is they came pretty close. For example, your elder can be respected and feared, but you can also just be a sheriff or something that puts him in a social where he still answers to someone. Simply being an elder doesn't necessary mean you want to paint a target on your back by being in charge.

>>725466571
what kind of characters would be likable according to you.
you listed like fifteen different types you don't like

>>725482121
play the game