Thread 725457434

Why doesn't the Horde get a kino zone?

>>725457434 (OP)
because the horde is the monster faction for emos and edgy 12 year olds who want to play as punks with missing jaws, tusks or fur.

>>725457434 (OP)
? Duskwood is basically poor man's Silverpine Forest

Mulgore.
Cozy and full of sexy cow women.

the barrens is great

>>725457784
Silverpine was mid. Tirisfal glades was spookier.
>>725457953
And too big

>>725457434 (OP)
duskwood isnt kino its quite possibly the worst <30 zone in the entire fucking game and only becomes slightly palatable once you know how to avoid the gigantic dead space in the middle
like yeah sure every time i want to go to sven or raven hill i should... fly to westfall and walk east
i think id rather do stonetalon a thousand times before doing duskwood even once

I would say the barrens, but it’s kind of niggerish. I think Mulgore, dtoneyalon lountins and desolate are pretty kino but that’s about it.

for me it’s vanilla feralas

>>725458015
Duskwood has like 3 quests in the entire zone kek and it’s all the hyper zombie raper crypt

>>725457434 (OP)
they got ghostlands after at least, fuck the draenei 1-20 zones

Ah yes sir your hourly chatGPT slop zero post wow thread

>>725457434 (OP)
>"run all the way to the east side of the map"
>"ok now run all the way to the west side"
>"ok back to the east side"
>"alright thanks for running all the way to the easy side now go back to the west side"
Yeah sure, "kino"

>>725458151
>not flying to westfall and running to the west camp from there

>>725458151
What happened to "it's the journey that counts, not the destination" mindset? Isn't that the reason people play Classic?

>>725458308
the "journey" is not fun when its a back and forth back and forth from A to B over and over again

>>725458213
> not saving money for the level 40 mount.

>>725458102
Based. I used to go to the island on the far southwest it was nothing but Jakiro’s that gave 1200 xp and the island wasn’t even named

>>725457434 (OP)
horde has its own undead+werewolves zone, and also has one of the most iconic zones in the game (southshore) which is a horde primary zone

>>725457434 (OP)
>le spooky zone
>lvl cap of 20-something
lame

>>725458123
>TBC has one of the best starting zones ever and by far the worst starting zone ever in one package
They really wanted to pump those horde numbers.

>>725458359
But anon, a lot of things can happen along the way :)
You can do PvP, kill monsters and get a lucky green, find chests, look at the scenery, level professions - the fun is limitless.

>keep seeing the funny Lv35 elite stomping around while npcs type in yell chat
>as I slowly clear out quests on the map I wonder when I get to fight him
>eventually look it up
>there are no quests and also he drops a grey club
Oh...

>>725457434 (OP)
Barrens is a completely different aesthetic and even more kino depending on taste. I like duskwood more because i like the spooky undead haunted forest vibe. Tirisfal and silverpine are also good but not as good as duskwood. It sucks that the spookiest undead zone is actually an alliance zone

>>725458481
>You can do PvP
the only time pvp ever happens in duskwood is a horde zerg in the first few days of fresh lol
as for profs, chests and greens? i can do all of those in any other zone

>>725458628
Nah people also gank at cemetery hill all the time

>>725458397
you sound poor

>>725458308
it was fun on your main and alright on your alt
then it got tiresome during private servers and an obstacle during classic

Barrens was fine for leveling because the large distances and simple geometry gave you enough time to open thottbot but it's a shit boring place.

>>725457434 (OP)
What do you mean? Duskwood was very kino for my Horde Rogue..

>>725457953
Based
>>725458012
>too big
That's what makes it so good.

>>725457434 (OP)
Silverpine got that, except the quests aren't great

>>725457434 (OP)
>duskwood
>not a horde zone

You didnt play the game

>>725458102
blandest area in the game wdym

I remember how crazy the barrens chat always was. Why's that?

>>725458102
>visit Feralas as Horde
>it's fine, I kill ogres and fairy dragons
>visit Feralas as Alliance
>my quest hub is on an isolated island that I have to wait five minutes for a boat for

>>725462370
It's just very active. It's the second zone for three of the four Horde races and you stay there from Lv10 to Lv30

>filters the mentally retarded
>some of the coolest atmosphere in the game
How long did it take for you to realize that Desolace is a really cool zone?

>>725457434 (OP)
fuck
what was that dudes name? the unique that would roam the zone
shambler?
he used to scare the shit out of me

>>725462672
Honestly it's the water area that filtered me
It filtered me so hard I went back to Mulgore and bought the water breathing spell then I had a meltdown when I found out I need to carry fish scales to cast it

>>725462672
t. Princess Theradras

>>725462983
well yeah they have different level ranges

Horde players level 10-30 will see this and think:
>"woah! This place is so kino!"

>>725462201
That would be desolace

>>725462983
>people level in ashenvale over duskwood

>>725462672
Every Kalimdor zone with ancient night elf ruins in it is awesome.

>>725463046
This but unsarcastically

>>725460538
>That's what makes it so good.
You get completely tired of this zone by the time you're getting out of it, it spans for too many levels with every quest being 30 kilometers from each other.

>>725462983
Leveling in the human zones past Elwynn sucks. The quest spread is complete ass and you inevitably hit gaps in levels where you either have to grind or fuck off somewhere else for questing. Meanwhile you could've just spent the entire time in Darkshore or Loch Modan never running out of shit to do.

>>725457434 (OP)
people still play this shit?

>>725458015
Nah, stonetalon Is certified aids

>>725463046
>questing in silverpine
>quest giver just says "yeah there's a level gap now we didn't have time to write a full levelling experience, go to battens and come back later if you can be bothered"

>>725463251
Darkshore sucks
Loch Modan is cool though

>>725463046
its called world of warcraft and you're looking at the warcraft

LFM Mor’Ladim [35]

>>725463251
Well I believe you're meant to mix dwarf and human leveling zones, the game was absolutely not streamlined to go directly from one continent's sequential zone to the other.

>>725463073
>named desolace
>completely void of anything
>named the barrens
>relatively barren
whoaaa

honestly thought early horde was a slog compared to alliance zones, the foot time between areas was much more
hated that shit

>>725463312
Nah Darkshore has a shit ton of quests that are pretty well organized with the tougher shit being further away from the main quest hub near the center of the zone. Very easy to set out from town with a full quest log and only turn back once you've got a full inventory and a ton of shit to turn in.

i remember my first world purple drop. icemail jerken. sold it for lots of gold and afforded my first mount.

>>725463478
Kang the Decapitator for me, dropped while I was killing mobs in Feralas.

>>725463453
Doesn't matter if quests are well organized if the zone looks and feels like dogshit

>>725458015
?
Stonetalon is good

Eversong Woods and Ghostlands are easily the best leveling zones, it's going to be a shame to see nuBlizz try and "fix" them and turn it into some fucking faggy crap like Dragonflight. Only the blood elves would have kino quests like
>my apprentices are trying to trick me, turn them into pigs
>I fucked up parking my ship, cover for me
>that bitch is trying to seduce my husband, kill him and turn her into a rat
>go beat the shit out of the guy who betrayed our entire race

>>725463383
>>completely void of anything
What are you smoking?
That zone is jampacked with mobs and shit, the problem as with any of the other horde zones is that everything is at the other end of the map, so you have to spend 20 minutes walking to go do every quest.

>>725463519
Kang the decapitator was the dirge of my server, trade chat would just be full of it daily.

Barrens: crossroads gives buff, multiple flightpaths and a neutral city with a bank and boat

Duskwood: one fp, giant mountain in middle, high lvl elites roams the road and gy at all times

>classic 2019 launches
>hyped to grind with friends
>"okay boys we are running spell cleave and melee cleave groups for the next couple days till we cap."

Never leveled all the way to 60 on Alliance. Should I play a Dwarf or a Night Elf?

>janny deletes my post because he’s a racist gang stalker
Fuck you racist nigger, I hope you like looking at my fat white cock and seething every day about it you poop skinned mongrel

>>725463634
its literally just that shitty dungeon and the flightpath
dying dinosaurs and... vultures?
gray sand and bone piles

>>725463713
Why would you need more than one FP for duskwood, there's the town and the big tree shit that takes up 2/3 of the zone but you have no reason to visit.

>>725462672
A brutal slog every time without failure. You're right that mechanically it's fine to level through, and that the lore is decent. But that specific shade of grey and the skybox are just fucking misery inflicted upon the player right as the leveling slows down massively anyway

>>725463819
female human paladin
you can have my char name if you want
either
Auralsects
or
Desultory

>>725463819
I hated levelling in Darkshore and I hated having to take TWO boats every time I wanted to buy new leatherworking recipes. I haven't touched a single dwarf zone besides the Badlands but I imagine it's nowhere near as painful as playing a Night Elf.

I had no experience with wow before classic, and all I have to say is I feel sorry for Alliance players. Their zones were so fucking dull.

>>725457434 (OP)
The Barrens is the best zone in the game by a wide margin.

every time my friends roll alliance we always quit in the 30s, cursed faction

>>725464005
Retard take. Their zones have much greater ecological diversity and actually have story threads that connect several zones together. Their zones were worked on first.

>>725457784
>Silverpine Forest
>"Oh no! So many many monsters!"
>Is already one of the monsters
Gas the Horde

>>725457434 (OP)
We get silverpine

>>725463616
You are objectively correct, Eversong+Ghostlands are easily the best leveling zones Blizzard ever made. Can't believe they were never able to do it again.

Loch Modan...
Wetlands...
Arathi Highlands...
Hillsbrad...
Alterac...
Hinterlands...

>>725464235
>story threads
Only elwynn > westfall > duskwood. And actually I can't even remember if duskfall is part of the deadmines story

Then there's the scythe of elune but the storyline isnt finished, goes nowhere, and might even be ignored in Legion I cant remember

>>725457953
If you never played WoW while leveling in the barrens to endless lame barren chat jokes about Chuck Norris then you never TRULY experienced WoW.

>>725464618
Loch Modan is good zone.
I have never actually done all of Wetlands

>>725463478
>>725463519
awesome
i had flurry axe drop for me on my windfury shaman
i just stared at it for a few seconds

>>725464618
Wetlands is trash

>Alliance is clearly the favorite faction, bigger cities, grander settlements while the Horde just gets three tents in their zones, even a little Defias storyline that fizzles out sometime after the Stockades
Why is it that Alliance flightpaths are so bad? Both location and what they connect to. I will never complain about Horde flightpaths ever again after levelling an Alliance character.

can we be honest for a moment and reconcile the fact that every leveling zone in vanilla sucks to incentivize grouping for dungeons in between the dearth of quests and necessity of mob grinding?

>kino zone
>collect 300 werewolf fangs
>good job, now go collect 2000 zombie hands
>good job, now go collect 2996 skeleton cocks

>>725464618
>>725464796
loch modan is good in that it suffers somewhat the same problem as duskwood (being split east/west with a giant obstacle in the middle) but that it solves the problem by having the two halves generally never crossing over each other apart from breadcrumb quests and the ogre elites in the north
you can get the gnolls and animal quests between thelsamar and stormpike done in 30-45 minutes as well as the troggs in the south west in about an hour max
then the rest of the zone is doing ironbands and farstrider lodge + the ogre elites

>>725464980
This is why people like fresh servers

Until everyone hits level 30 and you stop getting invited to dungeons if you're not a warrior or mage

>>725464650
and horde have nothing but nigger mudhuts

>>725464971
Alliance content is what was designed first because it's what the devs had all their big original ideas for, but that also meant that it was all designed early when they had less experience with actually putting shit into the game, so it came out soulful but janky. That's why a lot of Horde quest hubs are more conveniently located and their FPs route so much better.

>>725464971
kalimdor and horde content was rushed to meet deadlines so the quests, locations and hubs are a lot more simplified and condensed down
also what >>725465175 said

>>725464980
Vanilla zones are great right up until around level 40 when the quests start being harder to come by and the necessity of group content becomes greater AND everything is spread farther apart so travel time is immediately a bigger issue especially if you weren't able to get a mount right away.

>>725465160
vanilla is shit and I'm sad to be vindicated as a tbc enjoyer, despite hating that privates and classic servers are all based on final patch and deny players the enjoyment of going through each patch.
>>725465259
It starts getting gay around 20 and really drops off at 30. When your only options are 5 quests in desolace, very northern stranglethorn, and shimmering flats at 30-34 you're kinda cooked. You ARE NOT meant to kill orange mobs to level. You ARE meant to grind green/yellows or dungeon with people consistently to bypass these lulls until the 50s where you dungeon permanently with other people to attune and gear.

>>725465389
>It starts getting gay around 20
No way, 20-30 is great because that's when every class finally gets a full enough toolkit of abilities and talents to really feel like it has come online and the zones are still good enough and convenient enough to be enjoyable. Plus you finally get some interesting dungeons to run with actual good quests and quest rewards so you only have to clear them once rather than grind them repeatedly. It only starts to suck at 30 as things spread out more but 40 is when the content gaps really kill off any enjoyment.

>>725465389
>privates and classic servers are all based on final patch and deny players the enjoyment of going through each patch
as opposed to...?
i dont think a lot of people realise that going "patch by patch" is just a roundabout term for releasing honor/mc, bwl, zg, aq and then naxx when in reality it also includes the constant talent resets because of how much tweaking each class got every 1.X as well as seeing random shit in dungeons go from green to blue with a small ilvl increase
"patch by patch" is not what you think it means

>>725465630
>20% of barrens playable for 20-30
>ashenvale maybe has 8 quests before level 26
>stonetalon is completely fucking empty
>hillsbrad has a few level 22 quests then it's all 25+
Yeah, it's so good. So good that you're going across the world for paltry zones. Alliance is barely any better and gets worse for 30-50 (no hinterlands lol)

>>725465706
As opposed to final patch and delayed release raids. I want the original patch progression, not content progression alone. Yes, it is what I think it means. I want the original game LOL

>>725465389
You're not meant to grind dungeons. Blizzard thought that people would run dungeons once and thats it. You ARE meant to grind mobs, though. So many dungeons have areas filled with mobs leading up to the entrance because blizzard thought group would grind there while waiting for slots to get filled

>>725465827
then that is you and you alone, if you want autistic cadence like that then host your own realm

>>725457953
Barrens is probably one of the top 3 zones of classic WoW simply because of how packed it usually it.
>second zone for 3/4 horde races, with plenty of UD characters heading there as well due to how simple it is to swap continents for horde
>Even if you choose to level in Silverpine you will most likely hit up Barrens at some point to get some of the quests for Wailing Caverns
>large level range of quests in comparison to other zone
>99% of Alliance will travel through it to get to the zones that are to the south of it
>fishing spot for popular cosmetic consumable
>3 dungeons spanning different level ranges

>>725465893
Did I say dungeon grind? Elite mobs outside dungeons are there to clue you in that it's a dungeon (until they added meeting stones). You had to have a group to clear your way in and discover that there's an instance inside.
>>725465898
>I'm the only one that wants to play the game as it was, like classic was advertised to be
Not just me if gummy's server was anything to go by. Speak for yourself.

>>725466219
>the metric for popularity is gummy
LOL!

your concession is accepted

>>725466219
>Did I say dungeon grind? Elite mobs outside dungeons are there to clue you in that it's a dungeon (until they added meeting stones). You had to have a group to clear your way in and discover that there's an instance inside.
No anon. I'm literally pulling from The WoW Diary.

Nothing beats Westfall

>Blizzard literally waits over a decade to realize a bunch of obvious stuff just sitting their in the lore waiting to be used like Zandalari, Kultiras, Undermine, and Karesh
>The only one of them that realizes its potential at all is Undermine
Really wish prime Blizzard had just got nut deep in realizing the full extent of the original lore in-game instead of pulling a bunch of ass pulls like Cataclysm and WoD

>>725466465
West has fallen...

>>725463251
Elwynn
Westfall
Redridge
Wetlands / Duskwood
Hillsbrad
Arathi / Alterac
Stranglethorn / Badlands
Hinterlands
Searing Gorge
Blasted Lands
Burning Steppes
W/E Plaguelands

Kalimdor who?

>>725464971
>grander settlements
If anything I always felt Horde had better towns everywhere.

For me, it is classic Hillsbrad

>>725467183
erm, no

>>725465630
>20-30 is great
>It only starts to suck at 30
>40 kill off any enjoyment
pretty much like real life

>>725463852
There's several centaur tribes, mob night elf base, naga water ruins, the devil infested zone you have to traverse to go to the horde camp, the evil org base, the dying monster zone and I'm probably missing something because I honestly don't like it at all.

>>725457953
This
It's obviously the way it is because Blizzard didn't have time to make individual 10-20 zones for 3 of the 4 Horde races, but the size of it, how much there is to do in the zone and that rugged savannah aesthetic makes for some unintentional kino

Un'Goro Crater is fucking great

>>725458015
Stonetalon is excellent as Horde if you know when to dip in and out of the place.

I’ve been playing through classic with a friend of mine. He’s a lock and I’m a repost and I have to say the speed at which we kill shit is incredible. It almost feels like we’re playing through retail with how in-often I need to drink.

>>725457434 (OP)
Duskwood was always overrated. It appeals to the same people who jerk off Grizzly Hills in Wrath

>>725462417
swimming is faster than waiting for boat, unless you leave the island and the boat is already there

>>725470454
>I’m a repost

>>725462417
ive always quite liked feralas on ally. its very peaceful and serene and truly feels like you're really out in the sticks compared to other zones
the boat is also a decent excuse for a bit of downtime to get a drink or if not then just point your character at the mainland dock and press your autorun keybind

>>725467345
Winterspring beats all of those zones

>>725470454
>>725470675
Lmao what the fuck
I’m a priest.

>>725470796
it actually doesnt and the poll from both blizz forum and wowhead point that its the least popular zone, the high number of players is always a lie, most are camping a specific trader that sell limited recipes necessary to level tailoring fast

To any pre-cata player. Have you actually enjoyed changes in the old locations cata introduced?

>>725470940
Not him but I’ve always found the zone comfy. I don’t care how other players rank it.

>>725470796
the problem with winterspring is that it has like 3 actual areas and the rest of it is used for a single quest or two
the whole western part of the zone is used for the introductory furbolg quests and the linkle questline and thats it
the furbolg camp in the east is for firewater/wintersaber rep farming and thats it
the ice giants to the south are for juju farming and thats it
darkwhisper gorge is for the priest eye and thats it

>>725471043
I stopped playing when Cata released but I did level a little through the Azeroth changes. I hated them because they made leveling too linear and straightforward.

>>725471043
Kinda. I did like some of the overarching stories some zones had, especially the Garrosh stuff as Horde. The biggest thing I hated how almost everything was a meme and reference

WoW should have released with:
>Eastern Kingdoms (Vanilla)
>Kalimdor (first addon)
>Northrend (second addon)
>Broken Isles + Kul Tiras (third addon)
>Outlands (defending against invasions) as seasonal event and mega-raids like Ahn Qiraj
>horizontal progression
every continent should have been progressively expanded and fleshed out with every major patch.

I'm dying for Classic+. They have the opportunity to fix EVERYTHING. Achieve the true vision for vanilla.

>>725471464
id also love an official classic+ but no matter what content blizzard makes i cant trust them to not completely fuck it over by doing nothing about botting and gdkps (even if they are officially banned you can still bypass it by HRing BoEs and materials)

It's so funny to watch hordeniggers cope with their lack of proper leveling zones by implying that a big, empty savanna literally called "The Barrens" where they have to run around for like 20 levels with three other races, is a good leveling zone. Blizzard were right not to give Horde zones any love or care, because it just proves Horde players are the lowest denominator.

>>725471464
It's not the save devs anymore, and the vision of how games like that work changed over 20 years. You have SoD as an example. Turtle is doing ok (but got too controversial and openly fights Blizzard now which won't end well), and Epoch added some nice quests and all but is down to 200 players because no one is updating it and most people moved to Bronzebeard (which is an abomination of retail lite rather than classic+)

>>725471896
>You have SoD as an example
I liked SoD but I only played the first phase until leve 25

>>725472115
it was only good up to that point

Just make boss drops untradeable and give every player one drop per boss lmao, GDKP dies on the spot.

>>725472115
Same here. I had fun with it in that time. I wonder if it remained fun.

>>725471864
the barrens is an incredible zone to level in wtf are you smoking????
you can grind to level 52 on mobs alone from RFD and never get flagged

>>725457434 (OP)
Man have you even played the game before?

Nobody who's ever played vanilla could possibly think Duskwood is a fun levelling zone. It's dogshit and doesn't even give much xp

100% you are a horde nigger that just saw the cool aesthetic on youtube

>>725472249
>>725472330
SOD was a sinking ship for the first 8 months of content and only then did it stabilise because of sunk cost and finally raising the level cap to 60
only then did it actually keep a decent semblance of players but there was no growth due to all of the 1-59 content being invalidated
its a greatly accelerated example of the tbc>wotlk>cata>mop cycle

>>725472115
Which was probably the best phase. More streamlining later, including giving you all the runes for free in the last phases (fuck the quests to earn them am I right?), and added retarded incursions along the way that ruined leveling and let you earn ridiculous gold.
They also added Ashbringer that's probably a stronger weapon than all TBC 2handers.

best zones are in the northern eastern kingdoms
specifically western plaguelands, but eastern plaguelands is also good.

>>725472657
The best part of later phase sod was leveling alts and raiding on multiple classes once they added the ability to straight buy runes

It had a really incredible 1-60 thanks to all the xp boosts, levelling raids, gear from those raids and the new crafted gear so you could juice the fuck out of yourself and basically run around 1 shotting mobs doing every quest at once or speeding through dungeons with just 2-3 people. Most of the people left playing it on the megaservers were levelling alts. Sod had problems and the 1-59 content wasn't one of them

you would know this if you had fucking played it. What do you do instead?

You pull up a fucking chart and start writing horoscopes. Fanfiction in your head extrapolating from the fucking numbers. This isn't /biz/, go back to steamcharts threads

>>725457434 (OP)
I've played a ton of vanilla both sides and it's clear Alliance received most dev time and Horde was rushed. Horde is still good it's not like it's a disaster but yeah you will notice it.

>>725471464
Lol, you addicted blizzdrones are really something else.

>SoD
Why would you niggers play it if it has runes and buffs and shit, all for purpose to babysitting you to 60 again missing the pint of vanilla completely?
Just play retail, jeets

>>725472657
ahahaha that dropoff after the 25-40 patch is wild, jesus christ. cant fix vanilla especially when you choose to """"remake"""" gnomer and ST over fucking SM and BRD just to churn out a bad SM raid after 1.5 years

>>725473118
sorry ranjeet but it sucked and leveling new characters was shit if you didnt have a main to juice them.

seething alliance bitch

I don't know what everyone is posting about. I just like being a cute healer cow on Turtle
Why do I keep seeing the n-word and mudhut and shoeless comments?

>>725464618
Just wanted to pile on that wetlands is awful. esthetically and gameplay wise.

>>725473560
>SM
Split into 4 wings, tons of small corridors, you would have to completely rebuild it to work as a raid.
>BRD
Would be too annoying as a raid for the sake of getting inside for smelting dark iron and shit, better to keep it as a dungeon that you can later run through solo if needed. Also way more quests inside than other dungeons.

Gnomer and ST are less popular on average while having wider areas to fit more people into, perfect base for a potential raid upgrade.

>>725473507
I just every class to feel good. I want to DPS as a retardin or enhancement shaman. This doesn't mean they have to be OP. It merely means they they have to be FIXED.

>get the itch
>roll a troll shaman like always
>quit before level 60
the optimal way to play

>>725458102
My favorite vanilla zone was the Hinterlands because of that one big quest chain that awarded a good rare weapon for your class. The quest was kino too, I remember it felt like an actual grueling trial that tested your "skill" because the area was fucking massive and full of mobs that were tougher than usual. Always looked forward to it like a rite of passage for a character.

>>725474896
This but on private servers.

>>725465083
boners*

>>725457953
>africa simulator for the troglodyte faction
>they eat it up and call it "great" years later
Blizzard was based beyond the moon back then.

>>725474896
>get the itch
Still haven't figured out why this game does this to me but every year at around late summer I just get the urge to roll a character and do the first few zones.

>>725462808
It was at that level range on hardcore that I discovered the breathing elixirs sell like hot cakes.
Roughly the same range as the STV ones start popping up.

Not having to give a shit about breath in hc is great.

>>725473560
Lost the argument so time to accuse me of being a street shitter. Nice. You should kill yourself anon

>>725472115
it was a lot of fun at that level bracket, the game got insanely cucked by incursions and the fact that gnomer was filled with armored bosses that fucked melee besides OP hunters

>>725474165
>Split into 4 wings, tons of small corridors, you would have to completely rebuild it to work as a raid.
so first you complain about an instance being too small and it needing remaking
>Would be too annoying as a raid for the sake of getting inside
and then you complain about an instance being too big...? you do realise that you were supposed to go to the bottom of BRD to get into molten core before 1.3?
upper ST is a mess of corridors and hallways and sure, it was probably the worst sod raid (because the content was overtuned, not because of the layout) but its not like making a bunch of hallways into a raid is unfeasible
>Also way more quests inside than other dungeons.
is also not an excuse as those quests are generally not levelling quests and are overwhelmingly done at 57/58-60 and not the minimum level to accept them
you are a massive idiot kill yourself

>>725457434 (OP)
>Kino!
>99% empty but le heckin lore
You guys are nuts

>finally visit the center to see tf was going on there
>its just a night elf forest with a portal

>>725477302
Retard. SM is 4 separate intances you would have to combine into 1, and the problem is you can't just funnel 20 people into those narrow corridors.
>instance being too big
Not a single word about size in BRD description, you want to get inside for smelting/crafting and a dozen other farms and activities that are popular there, making the zone into a raid would only complicate things.
>to get into molten core before 1.3?
Yeah no shit, and now you further complicate it by making people go into raid via other raid.
The zone is perfect as a dungeon you can explore at your leisure later on, especially when you get strong enough to solo or skip parts of it, it's a cool fucking underground city that shouldn't be made into a raid. If anything they should introduce a questline or something where you can eventually enter it as a neutral city with new quests, new dark iron crafting recipes and shit, as an alternate continuation to the story with Moira as the leader. It would be way more interesting direction for the zone than making it another raid next to two other raids.

>>725457434 (OP)
>Why doesn't the Horde get a kino zone?
Tirisfall Glades?

>>725478659
I miss the days when wow felt mysterious and exciting, and finding shit like that just made it even more mysterious and exciting

>>725478689
Retard. SM was initially 1 instance but split into 4 because Blizzard's playtesters felt it was too big
>get inside for smelting/crafting and a dozen other farms and activities that are popular there
so put them in the entrance area before BRD? maybe even in the searing gorge mines?
not reading the rest cuz its obvious you're a classic andy

>Orgrimmar
Collection of primitive huts in some dusty valleys with pieces of leather thrown here and there
>Undercity
Ruins of another(superior) race with an open sewer running through it, didn't even build it themselves
>Thunderbluff
kinda cool ngl can at the same time fucking retarded that cows of all creatures would build cities on top of mesas

Stormwind
>Evropean fantasy architecture with canals, a tram system, a big cathedral, an even bigger castle, and it's own massive harbor
>Ironforge
Literally carved out of a volcano. Need I say more? Oh, also has it's own tram system
>darnassus
Secluded and peaceful paradise situated in the stump of a world tree. Probably the most peaceful place in all of Azeroth

Orgrimmar
>Collection of primitive huts in some dusty valleys with pieces of leather thrown here and there
Undercity
>Ruins of another(superior) race with an open sewer running through it, didn't even build it themselves
Thunderbluff
>Kinda cool ngl can at the same time fucking retarded that cows of all creatures would build cities on top of mesas

Stormwind
>Evropean fantasy architecture with canals, a tram system, a big cathedral, an even bigger castle, and it's own massive harbor
Ironforge
>Literally carved out of a volcano. Need I say more? Oh, also has it's own tram system
Darnassus
>Secluded and peaceful paradise situated in the stump of a world tree. Probably the most peaceful place in all of Azeroth

>>725479565
How the fuck is that even related to anything? Do you really expect them to just combine them again because uhhhhh they were planned to be a single zone first? What's next, second floor to Ironforge (like planned in the alpha!), Emerald Dream and Hellfire Peninsula just wished into existence? Stop spewing random trivia you learned about in youtube video like it makes you some guru on the subject, when I'm talking about them taking the zones they have NOW and tuning them into updated content with the level of effort they are actually willing to do. Nobody in Blizzard is remaking 4 SM wings into a single raid, but Gnomer has the potential to be easily updated. Same for ST vs BRD.

Fucking idiot.

>>725479940
>it's own massive harbor
wrathtranny needn't apply

>>725480378
you wouldnt need to "remake" 4 SM wings into one when literally all it takes is moving the models around, increasing mob and boss hp and adding boss mechanics. the latter two which they did to BFD with basically no effort
the emerald dream is already in the game files, half finished but the majority of the groundwork is there as is the pre-tbc version of hfp :)

>>725479940
Centaurs probably can't climb mesas

>>725480731
Stormwind always had a harbor

>>725463819
The Alliance Kalimdor leveling path is excruciating but it's also kino.

>>725463819
Dwarf/Gnome zones are pretty fun

>>725465706
>>725465827
People who think they want the original game are retarded. The original game fucking sucked. Best example: In the original game the enemy debuff limit was 8. Not 8 per player. 8 total. Pretty much every fucking class had debuffs, and a raid fit 40 people. How fun to be one of 3-6 people who's allowed to put ONE debuff on the boss. "Oh whoops, every melee player does less damage now because someone invited a shadow priest and now there's no sunder armor on the boss".
Vanilla WoW was a classic example of: "Bad game, but we didn't have anything better". for YEARS literally every patch made to WoW was a straight up improvement over something that was ass backwards. And even was ass backwards at the time. It wasn't "oh we didn't know better". People knew that having a debuff limit of 8 was retarded. people knew that it was retarded that you had to kill 24 extremely spaced out zhevras, to get 4 zhevra hooves, something that you logically should be able to get FROM A SINGLE FUCKING ZHEVRA. Or the fact that a mage could just spam rank 1 frostbolts and kite a melee forever, lmao. People who want this shit back, want to go back to the metaphorical womb.

My favorite bit of vanilla world building is how the human questline leaves the origins of the worgen as a mystery, but there's an entire other night elf questline that starts in ashenvale that takes you all over the world and eventually reveals exactly where they came from. Having a storyline weave around the world like that is really good shit.

>>725481920
the debuff limit can easily be patched out and has been patched out on every private server core since basically forever. the patch by patch i was referencing was the item and class change bullshit that made you respec every patch or how Shadefiend Boots from BRD arena went from a green 4str 6stam 9agi in 1.2 to a blue 10str 13stam 11agi in 1.10
item and class dumbfuckery like that is stupid as fuck and is specifically why blizzard picked 1.12 for classic back in 2019 since otherwise it would've been a clusterfuck

>>725482140
And then they retconned it in Cataclysm and made the Worgen look infinitely worse

>>725464971
Horde honestly has a lot of advantages
>better flightpaths
>better travel options with their zeppelins, good coverage of both continents
>better racials
>shaman is better than paladin
>better access to better dungeons (Stockades is the shittiest dungeon in the game, Undercity is right outside SM and the Plaguelands, RFK and RFD are awful for Alliance to reach)
>better placement of cities
>can just sit in the Barrens for an eternity because it's the densest zone in the game and covers a massive range of levels
>more efficient leveling zones in general
>lmao Jintha'alor
The only major advantages you can place on Alliance are in aesthetics and storywriting, which are subjective and debatable (though I personally agree that they're better). The problem is that the better adherence to writing often fucks the Alliance over. With shit like the human leveling path ping-ponging back and forth between multiple zones, not having a flightpath at the Rebel Camp (which makes STV, one of the best leveling zones in the game, miserable on Alliance), and tougher questing in general.

There's a reason """""competitive""""" groups usually opt for Horde. They just have an objectively better experience, probably because they were designed second and the devs learned lessons on how to make things a bit more convenient.

>>725482386
Worgen being retconned into just being werewolves and not interdimensional horrors from the wolfman dimension was one of my least favorite retcons in WoW.

How the FUCK did people have the gold to buy their mounts come level 40? Even being extremely frugal with buying skills and shit I'm usually only like about halfway to afford it by then. Are you just getting extremely lucky with early BOEs?

only retarded millenial losers play wow

>>725482286
>the debuff limit can easily be patched out and has been patched out on every private server core since basically forever.
>I want the original game
>except for the stuff that actually sucked
And my entire point is that nobody actually wants the old game, because the old game sucked, and it continued to suck, and every patch it was made to suck a little less. "playing" on the latest patch and then just having dungeons unlock after a while is objectively the best way to deal with the jank that is vanilla. An even better way is to completely redo it.
Vanilla was retarded in so many ways.
>Ele shaman? Not invited to the raid
>Enhancer shaman? Not invited to the raid
>Ret Pala? Not invited to the raid
>Feral druid? Not invited to the raid
>Balance druid? Not invited to the raid
>Shadow priestß Not invited to..
Actually kyle? Hey kyle! Do we have Shadow weaving yet for the Warlocks? No? Alright you can dome, but only one.
Fucking joke, making every class have 3 talent trees and for a bunch of them 2 were traps that meant if you specced into them, nobody would want you in their party, lmao.
Oh and the classic lie about:
>In vanilla, with trees at least you had build choice!
Did you? Did you fuck. Most classes had absolute cookie cutter identical builds, because it was very fucking clear which talents were worth a damn, and which ones were trash, and the most build diversity you ever got was "put the last 2 leftover points wherever". If you played a warrior and you put one point in each tree one after the other, guess what? You end up with a character not invited to the raid, instead of your unique Idea of a character who can do a little bit of everything.

>>725482791
If you're not a frogposting faggot it's not that hard
Do your fucking professions

>>725458015
but stonetalon you can't avoid massive running because the entire zone is like 3x larger than it should be

>>725482584
Weren’t they always werewolves? That village outside SFK had humans turn into worgen at night.

>>725483072
WotLK had the best talents.

>>725483072
>Feral druid? Not invited to the raid
>Balance druid? Not invited to the raid
No, they would be invited.
Invited to give their class buff and kicked out teehee

>>725482791
it often depends on your class pick and profs you pick. herbal, mining and skinning are all excellent profs to make passive income while levelling whereas picking something like tailoring+echanting will take some of your cloth usage away from bandages. i generally keep 1 or 2 stacks of bandages and craft all my cloth into excess and sell it. low level disenchants are also almost always less valuable than just vendoring the boe itself
as for classes:
hunter
>dont buy any tracking, any aspects apart from hawk, any pet upgrades apart from stamina/growl/armor or any traps apart from freezing
>get a pet that eats fish from fishing like a bear or cat to save money on buying extra food
>skin constantly and vendor the leather
mage
>aoe farm, aoe farm, aoe farm
>never have to buy food or drink
warlock
>never really need to buy food because of siphon life + vw to tank all damage
rogue
>pickpocket, pickpocket, pickpocket
and then theres always the niche meta shit like selling quest rewards that would be an upgrade but not a significant upgrade

>>725483072
>Shadow priestß
!

>>725483284
they were otherworldy werewolves brought in to help the night elves against the legion. too many were summoned but the nelves managed to contain them but not the knowledge of them

>>725482791
like you said, don't buy every skill. then throw in herbalism or something to make some cash as you level. herbalism is the cheat code because you can get herbs people will want for end game consumes at relatively low character levels. gravemoss/fadeleaf/blindweed/firebloom you can pick before 40 easily and make money

>>725457953
Never gets old.
https://youtu.be/Do5s0MQvF9s?list=RDDo5s0MQvF9s&t=230

>>725482791
>get mining/skinning/herbalism
>sell shit on AH
Done.

>>725483437
By wotlk they at least made sure that each class had valid builds available. No more: "Yeah you can put your talent points into being a caster, but it'll fucking suck, lmao". Personally, I really like the talent choices they introduced I believe at the end of wotlk? It had it's own drawbacks and starting problems, but at least having shit like: "Do you want a short & strong movement buff, or a longer but weaker movement buff?" is a valid choice.

>>725483581
>!
Ya got me. I'm studying ze German and the fucking keyboard switch cucked me.
>>725483553
kek

>>725484121
>"Do you want a short & strong movement buff, or a longer but weaker movement buff?"
Sounds more like Mists talent system, are you confusing the two? WotLK had the biggest classic talent trees, Cataclysm introduced hard selecting a specialization at lv10 with shorter talent trees (you couldn't spend talent points in other trees till you maxed the one for your spec, so no actual hybrid builds like TBC/WotLK), MOP dumbed everything down to that "pick 1 out of 3 options every 15 levels" style of talents.

>>725484565
Yeah I might have confused my timeline as to when they introduced the 3 choice system. For some reason my brain told me that this was introduced at the end of WotlK, but yeah, clearly Cataclym afterwards still had talent trees. My bad.

undead starting area is cool but all the other horde zones are gay

You know what expansion had good ass zones and leveling?
Warlords of Draenor.

Basically, back in the early 2000s as the game was being developed, the human areas were designed first as the game's vertical slice. This gave them more time in the oven allowing for more iteration and refining of their style and questlines.

>>725485509
while i really dislike how safe and themeparkey the zones in tbc onwards are i cant deny how much better looking the zones are. some of the zones in bfa and legion are just pristine even if i dont really like blizzard went from fairly round rocks and slopes to sharp and jaggedy rocks and cliffs

>>725464698
>WHERE IS MANKIRK'S WIFE?

>>725471402
>Kalimdor should have been the first addon
That would have been stupid since it would have fucked up the Horde vs Alliance dynamic which was a large part of the game's success at the start.

If you find someone so devoted to WoW they got a tattoo there's a pretty good chance it'll be the Horde or Alliance symbol. Probably the most often repeated WoW phrase isn't "you are not prepared" or "LEEROY JENKINS!" but simply "FOR THE HORDE".

>>725464698
>>725486958
Don't forget the
>Anal [Skill/Item/Gear name]
Spam

>>725488841
kino...