Thread 725468183

Were these the last good Pokemon games? What went so wrong afterwards?

>>725468183 (OP)
No, the last good games were Black and White 2. Ruby and Sapphire were mediocre as fuck, who would want to play an even easier version of them without the improvements that Emerald made? Ditto for the Diamond and Pearl chinkmasters.

>>725468183 (OP)
I replayed Sword recently and it was good. Granted that was with the expansion so I had a lot to do to supplement the base game's story. PLZA was also pretty much perfect for what it was trying to do.

ORAS were basically GF admitting they couldn't be fucking bothered though?

>>725468338
The remakes of Diamond and Pearl were actually tougher than the originals. They were a downgrade in all other respects though.

you're all wrong. the last good ones were GOLD and SILVER, but you wouldn't know that because you weren't around.

>>725468183 (OP)
>Were these the last good Pokemon games?
no

>>725469203
Neither were you or you'll remember how dogshit they were.

>>725468183 (OP)
There are no last good pokemon games. The quality of each entry rises and falls at random. Gen 7 was better than Gen 6.

>>725468183 (OP)
There is a direct correlation between Pokemon as a franchise going to shit and the existence of Fairy types.

>>725468183 (OP)
by the way my oras cartridge completely stopped working and apparently it's a common problem, at least I managed to salvage the save

>>725470421
Mine still works because I'm not a gigafag that didn't hack his 3DS

>>725470510
I hacked my 3DS, that's the only reason I was able to extract the save to a digital copy.

>>725468183 (OP)
more like the first bad ones.

>>725468183 (OP)
>last good
those were the most disappointing games for me at their time of release. if only we knew how fucking bad things would get and how little shitfreak cared about pokemon

>>725470678
Fuck, this and the free lati@s halfway into the story still makes me mad to this day. Half of why people remembered 3rd gen fondly was the battle frontier which was one of the only tile Pokémon was actually hard. Instead we got so half assed deviantart fanfic.

>>725471038
best selling pokeshit remake btw
tendie massacre when?

>>725471663
It came out during the COVID bump.

>>725471490
honestly on the topic of Lati@s, i liked the soaring, was nice to see more effort put into the concept of "fly' than just "select destination from a menu". So you can tell some members of the team actually cared, its just clear Ohnori and Masuda are massive faggots who have contempt for their own job, making pokemon games.

>>725468183 (OP)
No, kill yourself hoennbabby

>>725469831
>average Johto detractor

>>725468183 (OP)
No, and they introduced the biggest downgrade of all time

>>725471663
It also had a major price cut. It's harder to convince most to fork over $90 to get the complete edition of SwSh/SV rather than $30 for a full game.

>>725468338
>the last good games were Black and White 2
Objectively right. It's where pokemon ended.

Every new Pokemon game is better than the last one.

>>725472327
What fucking downgrade anon?
The child has less of a big ass?

>>725468183 (OP)
USUM was good

Why did none of the games ever copy the kino level curve from gen 2?

>>725473189
The oras design just looks bad. Pale, anorexic, no gloves, chipmunk teeth, and a bow instead of a cool bandana. It's a mess compared to the original

>>725472327
while that is a huge downgrade nothing will beat the Gen 3->Gen 4 Sabrina downgrade where they turned her from a sexy domineering woman into a common club THOT.

>>725471038
the chibi shit looked so fucking bad which is a shame because the game looked ok in battles

>>725472327
Her ORAS design is hotter.

>>725471490
>Half of why people remembered 3rd gen fondly was the battle frontier which was one of the only tile Pokémon was actually hard.
Post your gold symbols. Surely you have them since you're mad about it missing?

>>725471038
BDSP is better than ORAS.

>>725474712
>post your Michelin stars. Surely you have them if you're criticizing the food????

>>725474926
>piss is better than water
ok?

>>725474927
I didn't ask something so absurd. Just turn on your game and take a pic.
Surely people that miss the BF have actually played it?

>>725476162
>Surely people that miss the BF have actually played it?
Yes.

>>725468183 (OP)
Last good games were USUM. Last awesome games were BW2.

>>725468183 (OP)
People that say shit like this need to be fucking culled. Pokemon games on the 3DS are an insult to life itself.
Compared to them, pokemon games on the switch are masterpieces.

>>725468338
ORAS have the improvements from Gen V and VI, tho. Infinite TMs, Super Training, Hordes and Megas were pretty great.

>>725473337
ScaVio tried to

>>725477869
>general xp share
>level curve
lol

Why doesn't Nintendo just send their assassins to get rid of Gamefreak's higher ups and take over their company so they can finally make good Pokeman games?

>>725468183 (OP)
>zoomies are nostalgic for fucking ORAS now
grim
bleak even

>>725472327
>chest more defined
>better face
>sleeveless
You have shit taste

>>725470678
XY was worse

>>725478982
Sword and shield nostalgia is coming, and you will be there to witness it. A fate worse than death.

>>725479250
I haven't seen nostalgia yet but it being better than people remember is bubbling up in the discourse. It being overly controversial due to a social media feeding frenzy makes going back to it in a new context pretty interesting. It's one of the best examples of the Little Caesar's effect.

>>725470678
That was Gen 5.

>>725471038
I'm not convinced this wasn't intentional sabotage to prop up PLA.

>>725478962
Why kill the people that are not only on your side but bringing in tons of money doing the bare minimum for you?

It felt like the first time they were trying to get "cute" with it and introduce a lot of out of place narrative, sometimes meta. The sailor who was getting letters about his wife's infidelity from his kid felt like youtube WOAH THIS IS IN A POKEMON GAME??? bait. It left a bad taste in my mouth. So did Zinnia as a whole, which takes away from the teams and it's actuall all about her.
Game was also fugly so there's that.

Dexnav was neat I guess but if I want to replay Hoenn I would rather play even base Ruby since I have a lot of sentimental attachments to it.

>>725481303
BW2 clears

>>725482098
Clears the pipes straight into my septic tank.

>>725472327
new may is cuter, you know she's been practicing giving head

>>725474289
>>725479165
>>725482181
I don't care how many of you there are, you're all wrong and I'm right. STFU

arceus and New-snap wwere great

ZA is ok

Post your face when May suddenly challenged you after the credits at the pond where it all started.

>>725468183 (OP)
The series was helmed by Ohmori after ORAS because, based on leaked documents, Masuda had way too much power over how PR and advertising was handled and staff was being mismanaged. Now the series is being mismanaged by Ohmori, but he openly acknowledged to his colleagues that he also has too much power and that his role is gonna be divided into 2 or 3 roles after possibly Gen 10, which is currently set to be his final Gen to direct.

>>725482737
Oras doesn't have this level of SOUL

>>725483082
I actually kind of respect Ohmori recognizing his role is too much. You could tell Masuda was wasting a lot of effort on features that weren't making the games any better, especially in gen 5.

>>725482985
I played as May thoughever

>>725483325
Honestly, reading and translating the leaked docs made me completely 180 my opinion on Ohmori and Game Freak. My original opinion was that they were both just broadly mediocre and that The Pokemon Company were doing their best to wrangle them. As it turns out, Game Freak frequently begs TPC for more funding and resources, and TPC just doesn't deliver and is more focused on organising events and merchandising opportunities. Game Freak's trying to make good games and TPC is trying to party and make hype and aura moments. Ohmori is... okay, he's still mediocre but I respect the hell out of him for being this transparent with his colleagues.

>ride a mega evolved rayquaza into fuckinh SPACE to destroy a meteor
>pic related falls out of the meteor and appears before you
Kino

>>725468183 (OP)
no, xy and were the last
oras is dogshit

>>725483634
Except it's tied to zinnia so it's shit.

>>725483712
At least she gets penetrated in the manga?

>>725483612
The leaks were unironically some of the best PR Game Freak has gotten in years. It humanized them.

>>725482985
Wasn't impressed, it was basically AZ's battle at the end of XY but not nearly as cool

>>725472327
I hate the ORAS design, it reminds me of Shauna from XY and her stupidass chipmunk teeth

>>725483612
You know what? Despite liking the original BW, this makes me like them much less. Tons of cool content from gen 3 and 4 was cut for bullshit like C-Gear or Entralink. Like the story and the overall game being nice saved them, but otherall Jesus Masuda tried to ruin them. BW1 is fucking boring in 2025 after the main campaign. And the sad thing is: Who the hell used those features back in the day?

>>725468183 (OP)
the original ruby and sapphire convinced me that the games were never going to get better and I dropped the series after being literally obsessed with pokemon since before red/blue even released

I have been right for more than twenty years. It is not a good feeling.

>>725476405
>photo of a computer screen
what manner of apery is this

>>725468183 (OP)
>ORAS
>good
No.

>>725483712
You shut your whore mouth.

>>725483995
Entralink, Black City/White Forest, gimmick battles, and Pokestar Studios in BW2 ripped me straight out of the game and reminded me I was playing a product. This was made worse by me not liking the region and thinking the legendaries were retarded. It just felt like they were throwing shit at the wall hoping it would stick but they lacked confidence in any of it so they shoved it down your throat so you'd engage with their new systems. It's like what WoW ended up doing after a certain point.

>>725484425
Maybe she should shut hers instead.

>>725485237
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1791910

>>725468183 (OP)
>Were these the last good Pokemon games?
Last decent one perhaps, though I feel like there was a stark decline before ORAS, correlated with the transition from 2D to full 3D.

ORAS would've been better if may walked around only wearing pasties

>>725476709
Megas and the Fairy type detract from the game

>>725487627
>*cuts the region in half*
>here's your postgame bro

>>725468183 (OP)
I like ORAS but GF stopped caring with XY, I played emerald and the classics as a kid and got the remakes when I was 12, even then I knew they didn't care for making the game challenging or give the whole content of Emerald + more considering the things cut from the third version.
The game is still good in terms of monster catching but it would have been better with some minor changes like lvl adjustment or having less dumb dialogue like in the Delta Episode, also the battle frontier...
>>725472327
at least the protagonists look somewhat decent and May is pretty cute, look at what they did to the villains. A lot of them became gayer for no reason.

I dropped the series when they added a bunch of shit to ORAS that wasn't compatible with XY and then never updated XY to be compatible with it. It's not the fucking gameboy anymore, there's no excuse for shit like that.

>>725473979
this anon gets it

>>725468183 (OP)
>uses the shitty Ruby & Sapphire gym teams instead of Emerald's
>no battle frontier
>butchers all the dungeons
>horribly mixed arranged soundtrack with none of the energy of the originals
>X and Y's ugly ass art style
>same horrid performance and stuttering as every 3DS Pokemon game

>>725473860
I don't hate May's design but I do agree with you, and the art syle doesn't help.
Pokémon was cooler when the clothes were more stylish.
>>725482737
based

>>725468183 (OP)
>725468183
they're mediocre at best by pokemon standards

>>725484343
still hurts, bro...

>>725468183 (OP)
These were the first truly bad ones.

lame how Pokémon online peaked in gen 6

>>725490692
Great, isn't it? You get to explore half of a region after the Elite 4.
And at least it's better than what they did to X and Y, where only half of Kalos was released

>>725493056
forgot pic

>>725473337
Gen 2's level curve, along with the daily/weekly events were a retentention feature meant to keep players engaged with the Pokémon franchise for longer.

Now that games have live ops and DLC, XP grind has become obsolete (and actively detrimental to participate in new events/content)

>>725468338
B&W 2 were both an apology for B&W, and a loving sendoff letter for everything Pokemon had been up tot hat point.

>>725484564
I agree, iirc in one interview or some documents from teraleak they said "we don't know what makes games fun"

>>725474712
Anon, I wanted Battle Frontier to be in the remake because I never beat it as a kid. Most couldn't. That's why it's loved.

>>725493962
This. I'll admit Gen 5 sowed the seeds for nu-gen garbage but they were still very solid.

>>725494627
Thank you. Not a lot of Unovafags can admit that.