Thread 725473616

Winderland is the absolute worst world in any Kingdom Hearts game, hands down.

>>725473616 (OP)
Counter point :
>Every World in KH2

>>725473616 (OP)
Easily. I have dropped at least one re-playthrough upon landing in wonderland

>>725473616 (OP)
Nah, it’s fun. Maybe you should put the game on beginner mode if you are having a rough time little bro.

>>725473616 (OP)
Most people say Tarzan world but that's only cause the vines in it filter people.

>>725473913
>thinking world quality has anything to do with difficulty

agrabah sucks. i have never ever once liked it in any KH but they just won't stop bringing it back

*blocks your path*
seriously this is awful on proud mode after hollow bastion. everything on proud mode just constantly spams its special ability which in atlantica means those little guys with the spears CONSTANTLY dash around and they made Sora slow as fuck in atlantica, you can legit get fucked over by bad rng on a screen and have zero recourse because Sora has no poise (to use a DS term) but enemies can spam as much as they want.

>>725475982
magic. spam magic everywhere in atlantica. use a keyblade and accessories with +1 mp

>>725475982
it's been long ass time since played the games but little mermaid world was underwater so it was probably worst. not big fan of underwater video games levels

>>725475982
spam thunder it melts everything

>>725473616 (OP)
kh1 is fun if you don't remember the worlds
i especially hated deep jungle

>>725475982
The first Ursula fight is retarded

disney sucks, the only good locations are non disney

>>725474339
That's just licensing issues innit?

>Winderland
The winder of a shoemaker.

>>725477681
>>725478069
offensive magic does nothing on proud mode and again this is post hollow bastion, everything has a ton of hp, it would literally take all my mp+ethers to clear a room.

>>725478194
it's just a gimmick fight so it's whatever to me, the real bad fight is the giant ursula fight. all you do is run around to the back of her head and if the lightning attack isn't being spammed you get hits in.

>>725473616 (OP)
I have to give credit to Wonderland. It's probably the biggest Disney KH world outside KH3 worlds also maybe DDD takes(I hadn't played COM or Days).

>>725479090
If you're underleveled use Gravity. Also magic damage is straight up tied to your MP so you either go full mage or only use Aero+Cure outside Phantom

>>725473616 (OP)
I remember that world being awful and then I dropped the game during the old timey cartoon section boss fight with I think airplanes or fire trucks or something. It was such a stark difficulty spike I couldn't get over

>>725475982
I never beat KH2 because I had to play on the family TV and the Atlantica level was just too cringe. Later I found out that rancid shit was optional.

>>725474339
Deep Jungle was planned for Chain of Memories. Disney apparently lost/no longer has the licensing/copyright to use Tarzan anymore, at least around that time.

https://www.khwiki.com/Removed_content#Deep_Jungle_and_Jungle_King

>>725479090
swordcuck or shieldfag?

>>725473616 (OP)
>winder land
>no snow
People still say games used to be better

>>725479446
i don't know how much clearer i can be that on proud mode everything has more hp/takes less damage, this is not viable unless you're on easy mode

>>725479881
i went shield the extra item slot you get is too good to pass up. staff gives you a couple of extra MP, item slots represent an entire full hp/mp bar. on proud mode you basically have to keep aero up 24/7 and keep cure on your shortcut bar so i only have room for 1 other spell shortcut which is usually thunder or gravity due to flying enemies that never want to engage in the fight unless im fighting something else and then they won't leave me alone (kh1 has dogshit combat)

>>725479090
>offensive magic does nothing on proud mode

>>725480271
why can't you twitter niggers read a complete post before responding with something retarded

>>725473616 (OP)
>second-best world is actually the worst
ok retard

>>725480271
Everything gets upgraded after Hollow Bastion, including all the old enemies you were fighting before. Everything gets more health so the amount of magic you have to spam versus just attacking normally isn't worth the cost. Health bloat is a real problem during the last leg of KH1.

>>725480209
lmao, holy fuck you're bad and retarded.
if you're relying on items, you're bad.
if you're relying on aero, you're super bad.
magic damage is tied to how much max mp you have. if you deliberately gimp yourself, of course its not going to seem viable. it only takes a couple of spells to utterly wipe entire fights, and thats how you're supposed to beat the time trial tournaments.
yes, you need cure on hotkey, but you should have thunder for the aoe on another. the last slot should be fire (for homing and cheap cost) or gravity (because its powerful and good cc) depending on your preference. hell, you could maybe even make an argument for stop, but it just didnt jive for me personally.

you're bad.

>>725480209
Gravity does % based damage. What's even better is if you use Stop you can have multiple Gravity spells stack at 100% HP

>>725473616 (OP)
Yes
At least deep jungle is just doing laps, wonderland has a shit everything except the music

>>725475982
>after hollow bastion

Why would you do Atlantica AFTER Hollow Bastion unless you’re deliberately seeking a challenge? Even speedrunners do Atlantica BEFORE the battle level upgrade. Also, Ariel is good to use in Atlantica because she is both a god-tier support mage and a god-tier damage dealer depending on how you build her.

I personally feel like KH1 Atlantica is good and only filters people who just want to mash X without thought for positioning, party set ups and spell use. KH2 Atlantica is total dogshit though, and is only enjoyable in a “so bad its good” kind of way.

>>725474005
>Most people say Tarzan world but that's only cause (one of the world's main characteristics)

>>725473616 (OP)
Not even the worst world in KH1 when Deep Jungle, Olympus Coliseum (lmao literally 3 rooms) and Monstro exists

>>725481034
wrong and dumb post

>>725480523
and thunder still makes short work of everything not immune to it, with the exception of like wyverns and shield guys (in which case, gravity and a quick poke). 20 fucking dark balls spawn in? all dead in 1-2 thunders. maybe 3 if you're gimped.
>oh no! my mana!
combat ends. use item from menu. oh man, the tragedy. and thats only if you're a little bitch thats trying to end fights as quickly as possible and never use melee at all.

>>725475982
>ENTER

>>725473758
Really? Even Antarctica and the pride lands?

>>725480523
By the end game, you should be close to hitting the Strength damage cap if you’re a melee build, or almost hitting the damage cap anyway if you’re a magic build. Defenders are the tankiest regular enemy in the game and you can take them out in two or three hits at the damage cap.

Really, the only bad thing about KH1 enemy health is how Sephiroth and Hades have invisible health bars because the gauge only goes up to purple. I don’t know why they couldn’t have just added more colours.

>>725481034
>look mom i played KH1 on standard and spammed thunder and beat the game it's so easy
lol pipe down there squirt the adults are talking

>>725481153
>Why would you do Atlantica AFTER Hollow Bastion
read the post again you dumb nigger. no one said anything about waiting to complete it then. the game has side content like synthesis that you have to revisit worlds for.
>I personally feel like KH1 Atlantica is good and only filters people who just want to mash X without thought for positioning, party set ups and spell use.
you only think that because you're a casual and never played on proud mode where the enemies spam their high mobility high damage high stun rate moves, meanwhile you're stuck as dolphin sora who moves like a fucking resident evil character with how slow he is.

>>725481519
>spam stop so she doesn’t even get a chance to get a single attack in

EZ.

Ariel’s Spiral Wave also makes mincemeat of her if she had a high enough Strength.

>>725481497
i have been playing the PS2 version of Final Mix on Proud Mode these past two weeks and none of your post is remotely true. even stacking MP items thunder does fuck all for damage. which doesn't even help when every enemy has some obnoxious teleport that makes them invincible that they spam constantly.

you have clearly and obviously only played on normal mode which is fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but you continue to post literal falsehoods about a version of the game you have never played. genuinely bizarre behavior to engage in. get help and stop being a disingenuous lying nigger on mongolian basket weaving forums.

>>725481719
I play on Proud exclusively and Atlantica isn’t hard unless you’re either a first time player or dumb. If you do Monstro and Halloween Town before it, you’ll also be overlevelled for it, so there’s that way out too. As for Lv1 runs, damage storage Fires and Stop combined with Gravity is the best approach (Thunder actually isn’t that great for Atlantica because most of the Atlantica exclusive enemies are immune to it).

>>725481719
its funny how confidently wrong you are. you're so narrow minded and literally cant comprehend that you could be doing something wrong.

>>725473616 (OP)
why didn't Wonderland have a guest party member like the other Disney worlds? even the cheshire cat would have been good

>>725481371
Deep Jungle was cool because you got to replace Goofy and Donald with Tarzan. Also I unironically enjoyed the Colliseum stuff.

The thing that really drags Wonderland down is how you don't have heal at that point yet. A shit world is easier to power through if you can just spam heal yourself all the way through.

I think most Disney worlds are kinda shit

>>725482751
Because everyone in Disney's Wonderland is a useless, irrational idiot and / or asshole.

>>725482751
If you play the worlds going by battle level order, then it’s the first Disney world you go to in the entire series. They needed to establish what a “normal” Disney world visit looked like. It also makes the moment where Sora teams up with Tarzan after getting split up from the group more impactful.

Wonderland and Traverse Town made me love KH.

KH2 is dogshit.

I've been feeling the urge to play these games again. Unfortunately, my GPU is an RX 7800 XT and I heard 1.5+2.5 is prone to crashing on it

>>725473616 (OP)
monstro on the GBA

>>725482751
Because they probably wanted Sora to have the opportunity to spend time with Donald and Goofy before throwing party members at you

>>725482871
Unless you do Deep Jungle first, you can p potentially do the entire first ring of worlds without Cure. This is fine in theory, since potions aren’t exactly hard to come by, but not having the warp gummi combined with the fact that Traverse Town is the only place you can buy items from at that point makes it awkward if you want to restock. IMO, you should have gotten the warp gummi after finding 1 navi G piece rather than two. I think this stocking issue is exactly why Clayton is such a massive difficulty spike for how early in the game it is.

>>725482170
magic is only bad if you're underleveled and/or deliberately denying yourself mana. and i guess early game with basic tier spells (and your low mana pool), but once you get the -ra and especially -ga spells, theres really no argument against them.

>>725479548
I'm still dumbfounded Olympus Coliseum is optional in KH1. A friend of mine noticed the Trinity icon for the stone, so we never tried pushing it until after the game, since you obviously get it at the end of that world.

>>725482946
They were good in KH1 when they actually had their own plot instead of retreading the movie plots.

I’m guessing in the sequels they weren’t allowed to do that very much again for contractual reasons or some bullshit.

It’s weird though, because KH2 is by far the worst offender in the series when it comes to retreading movie plots, but yet it also has Space Paranoids, which might be the single best example of Disney world and main story integration in the franchise.

>>725482751
Probably because the Disney Guest is almost always one of the main protagonists, not side characters. Other than Alice the rest of the Wonderland cast are just side characters.

I think old Frozen w/ Marshmallow is the only time the Guest isn't a main character. And it sucked.

>>725473616 (OP)
I never understood why it looks like a bunch of boxes. It's clearly intentional, they didn't try to hide it, but it makes no sense.

>>725483512
A significant percentage of KH1 is optional. You only need to do the worlds with Navi G pieces (Traverse Town second visit, Wonderland, Deep Jungle and Neverland), Agrabah and two worlds of your choosing from Monstro, Atlantica and Halloween town to unlock Hollow Bastiok and End of the World.

You also don’t need to do either visit of Pride Lands in KH2 either.

>>725484065
I think its the first world they ever made

>shieldcuck picks the option that does no damage and complains about not doing damage
retarded or merely pretending?

>>725484065
It makes the world look weird, which is on brand for Wonderland. Plus, I don’t think the PS2 had the memory space to render the sprawling gardens that are depicted in the film.

>>725482946
As long as they're not super bad I dont mind even if they dont add much to the plot. Running around treasure hunting with Jack Sparrow was kino.

>>725484389
I was so hype to see my boy Vivi

>>725480523
it's a children's game. everything is faceroll

>>725484191
People underrate the Shield IMO. Earliest Slapshot and early Critical Plus and Lucky Strike is huge. It means you can synthesise OP items WAY earlier in a playthrough. Early Tech Boost makes levelling fast as well.

>>725483730
>I’m guessing in the sequels they weren’t allowed to do that very much again for contractual reasons or some bullshit.
correct, disney got more involved and placed more restrictions/demands on them.

>>725473616 (OP)
KH2 Atlantica is objectively the worst world. Just a mediocre rhythm game.

>>725484965
KH2 Atlantica reminds of those Disney Princess shovelware games that also released around the same time as KH2.

It’s actually baffling we had a shovelware-tier level in a game that was otherwise a highly polished AAA game for its time.

>>725484965
its less of a world than 100 acre wood.

>>725485363
100 Acre Wood is peak SOVL in KH1 and 2.

3 absolutely ruined it.

>>725473758
Those are far superior to the boring meandering of kh1.

>>725473616 (OP)
Why was wonderland a weird cardboard cut out world? Was it ever explained anywhere?

>>725473616 (OP)
Best Disney world by game:
>KH1
Halloween Town
>KH2
Timeless River
>BBS
Neverland
>DDD
Symphony of Sorcery
>KH3
The Caribbean

>>725485794
>KH1
Atlantica (fight me. Neverland is also a close second for the Clock Tower, story bosses and battle theme)
>KH2
Timeless River
>BBS
Castle of Dreams
>DDD
Symphony of Sorcery
>3
Toy Box

If I had to rank the WORST Disney worlds however, they’d be:

>KH1
Halloween Town (too linear)
>KH2
Atlantica
>BBS
Disney Town
>DDD
Notre Dame (purely for wasted potential)
>3
Arendelle

>>725486515
>worst
>halloween town
Boogie manor fight is the definition of kino

>>725486909
It is, but that’s the highlight of the world. The rest of the world is just backtracking between the cemetery and the lab to make the synthetic heart.

It’s like how Arendelle in 3 is a pretty subpar world as a whole, but it has one of the best story bosses in the game at the end.

>>725483206
They have patched this my friend, check the Steam page's updates. I have the exact same card and did a full KH1FM playthrough earlier this year without issues.

>>725487137
i feel you but desu the whole game is mindless backtracking

>>725474339
The Chris Benoit of Kingdom Hearts

>>725475982
Its not terrible but the samey environments and music can get tiring after a while. Its just not as interesting.

>>725485794
best:
>kh1
hollow bastion. the puzzles and navigation are fun.
>kh2
radiant garden because cavern of remembrance
>kh3
toy story

worst:
>kh1
atlantica. fuck swimming
>kh2
twilight town. its incredibly gay and sucks ass compared to traverse town. (atlantica isnt a world, its a singular minigame)
>kh3
twilight town.

i didnt play the other games.

>>725481519
this won't be pretty

>>725487476
Some worlds more so than others though. Deep Jungle and Halloween Town both suffer from their structure being going back and forth between two locations multiple times. At least in some place like Atlantica, you’re backtracking between different locations.

>>725475982
I dont know if this is something that was changed in the remakes but I genuinely never had an issue with atlantica, I never had issues with movement or anything that other people seem to dislike. The only annoying part about the level was that the ursula boss had too much fucking health, but that is a common issue with KH1.

>>725487576
Atlantica was likely a very difficult world to make. It’s the biggest Disney world in the game in terms of actual physical space, it has an entirely new movement axis they had to account for in the level design, and it required a whole new set of gameplay animations just for one world. I’m guessing “underwater caves + the palace and sunken ship” was all they had the time to do.

>>725483730
>Space Paranoids
Don't remind me of that shit
>when they actually had their own plot instead of retreading the movie plots.
Yeah, that's what bothered me the most. The retelling of the original plot was bad and lackluster every time
>>725484467
Fair point

>>725475982
Guard is op as fuck in kh1. Get good mongoloid. I admit giant Ursula is horseshit

>>725475982
>Little Mermaid world
>the official "and then dad walks in" level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngSPb8S5ODc&list=RDngSPb8S5ODc&start_radio=1

Didn't happen to me but my dad would probably rather see me playing a game with sexy big boob women or tons of violence than this faggotry.

>>725488051
Tbf, Giant Ursula is the first boss you fight in the game to have more than 2 health bars of HP. It’s meant to be a step up in difficulty since you’re just past the mid-game at that point. You also have enough tools at that point to cheese her into oblivion.

>bosses in kh1
lots of health, but you can unga-bunga them and test your strength/power. only a few actual gimmick bosses
>bosses in kh2
invulnerable phases, lots of moving/jumping around, you just evade and wait for a reaction command to stun them, and then you unload as hard as you can within the stun window.

it was such a massive downgrade, and a complete waste of drive forms. drive forms are unnecessary overkill for basic mobs, but thats how you level them up. they were really only useful for traversal. they SHOULD have shined for bosses, but they wouldnt last between phases.

>>725487983
>At least in some place like Atlantica, you’re backtracking between different locations.
true but in atlantica every hall looks the same. each level has their pros and cons.

imo the best worlds are always the first and last levels. except in kh3. in kh3 everything sucks fucking cock, although if we count 2.8 a fragmentary passage as the "first" kh3 world, which it kind of was, then the point still holds.

>>725488703
I do think KH2 doesn’t get enough shit for having HP gates. Being told you’re not allowed to damage the boss anymore until you give them a chance to move to their next phase or activate their desperation move is shit and artificial difficulty. You shouldn’t be punished for being too good at the game.

>>725488573
>Ariel
>not a sexy big boob woman

>>725485794
I agree for the most part but I gotta give KH1 to Agrabah and KH2 to Space Paranoids.
>Agrabah
Pot Snake sucks but running through all three sections of the city at once is super fucking cool and stuck with me. Also it wasn't ruined by the GOD DAMN carpet section.
>Space Paranoids
I'm a Tronfag, simple as. Nomura appeals to me personally by putting in as much Tron as he can. I'd give it to The Grid in DDD just for that last Tron and Sora scene if Symphony of Sorcery wasn't so fucking spectacular.

>>725485794
>>725486515
BBS is the only game where every world is good.

>>725488573
>damn son, is that a half naked women wearing a seashell bikini? that's fucking gay

>>725489348
Sorry anon but Ariel is not big booba and the fact you needed an obvious edit is not helping your case.

>>725486515
>>725487765
How are you disliking Disney Town and Twilight Town?
The former I don't really feel strongly about (although it was cool to see the past of King Mickey, Pete and Disney Castle), but Twilight Town is pure SOVL in any game it appears in besides KH3. Genuinely one of their best exclusive worlds.

>>725489348
>>725489565
fishussy...

>>725489565
>damn son, is that a half naked women wearing a seashell bikini, but with merely moderately sized breasts? that's fucking gay

>>725489561
>"damn son"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY6TFcuSMKg
>Major League Gaming soundbytes going off in the background as your dad sees the Little Mermaid Kingdom Hearts sing along
>gifs of Snoop Dogg appear while "SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY" blare all around you

>>725489435
>just for that last Tron and Sora scene
Remind me again? I loved KH2's Tron level but barely remember the one from DDD anymore.

>>725488573
I love how this is a universal reaction to this level.
TAKE A CHANCE AND SHAKE A FIN

>>725489435
Pot centipede is an alright fight despite being a ball buster on Lv1 runs. The Tiger Head is the most pointless fight in the game though. It might be the worst boss in the game.

>>725489594
I love Twilight Town, and it’s my favourite world in the series despite me being a massive KH1 fag. I don’t like Disney Town as much because the minigames are hit or miss, and Ice Cream Beat is KH2 Atlantica except mandatory and hard. The pinball room is the best part of the world and it’s completely optional.

>>725489565
Ariel has small tits because she’s 16. Even so, she’s the hottest Disney princess and Jodi Benson’s voice is pure ear sex.

>>725489594
its absolute faggotry. hymen, pants, and omelette are worthless. seifer is reduced to a faggot bully that is also useless. setzer has a career on beating up kids. its annoying to get around, the mini games are gay, the music sucks. the best thing i can say about it is that color scheme is decent. everything about roxas is retarded and gay. traverse town is actual soul, and with GOOD music.

Idgaf about any of the worlds I just wanna chill on destiny island forever and maybe some of those cool void worlds or whatever, destiny island is so comfy.

>>725473616 (OP)
the worst world in any kingdom hearts game is neverland in days. if you disagree, you either haven't played it or are lying. either way, your opinion is invalid.

>>725489859
It’s because the world is a genuine “what the fuck were they thinking” moment. The actual world is only two rooms with no combat and you don’t even need to visit the second one aside for some Crown Pieces.

As for the musical numbers, the ones from the movie are obviously good, but the original ones are awful with cringy lyrics. The only good part about them is that we get to hear Jodi Benson sing more.

>no Riku molestation minigame
the manga was unfaithful

>>725490594
Only Ruler of the Sky is outright bad. The rest of the world is serviceable.

>>725488485
I mean I get it, it was hard to do. The Little Mermaid is one of my favorite Disney movies but I know sticking to be underwater means theres only so much can be done visually for a video game level. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

>>725490760
the "world" is a fucking rock in the middle of the ocean. it is fucking soulless.

>>725473758
Timeless River is pure Disney soul and 100 Acre Wood has better minigames then in KH1.

>>725490245
>Ariel is the hottest Disney princess
Here you go anon: https://youtu.be/yDG44p24B5U?list=RDyDG44p24B5U

Enjoy.

>>725473616 (OP)
that's monstro though

>>725490782
You CAN make an underwater level visually interesting to be fair.

Expedition 33 has a gorgeous looking underwater level, even if the “underwater” part is basically window dressing, unlike in Atlantica where there’s actual swimming.

>>725489831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idL-hEDRS6g&t=5272s
It ain't much, less than I remembered myself, but even then it's more than the man got in Legacy itself. Sora's half of the world ending there is criminal, he wouldn't have just ditched Tron to be left in someone else's control, test or not. Shit like this is why I complain about Sora's character getting butchered. Still, the moment itself is nice.

>>725490760
no, anon is right, the first time I played it I expected what eventually came with BBS. Days' Neverland is insulting.

>>725475982
>because Sora has no poise (to use a DS term) but enemies can spam as much as they want.
This is the thing that initially made me hate KH2 so much, enemies actually dont have poise too. So when youre playing the early game without a consistent dash, or block. The game just becomes a retarded mess of either spamming your best ability, drive form, or that mickey bullshit. Or just attacking once and jumping/running away until you can attavk again. Genuinely subhuman combat with zero fucking thought clearly put into its fundamental aspects. I dont fucking care if it gets better later on, technically a dash or block doesnt solve the problem, just makes it more tolerable. Once I finish KH1, which i bet will be more tolerable about this because the beginning is nowhere near as obnoxious as KH2 was on critical mode for me. I will be able to make the argument that whatever gimmick abilities, or spells or "synergies" as Ive heard it called. Were either done much better and strategically in other JRPGs that realized how fucking retarded real time combat enemies not tightly designed can actually flub the RPG aspects (infact this is the basis of my criticism of Expedition 33, it tries ti mix real time action and rpg, and both of them take away from the other.)

Anyway.

>>725491131
He will get his happy ending, haha...

>>725491094
Thanks.

I actually have an interesting history with Ariel growing up that’s related to KH. When I played KH2 as a kid, I got to Atlantica and then had a nightmare later that night where Ariel was drowning me. I then had a crippling phobia of Ariel for the next 10+ years to the point that the mere sight of her or Flounder would terrify me, which meant I had to skip Atlantica whenever I played KH2. Overtime, I became tsundere for her. I still feel a bit jumpy whenever I see her on occasion, but now I just find her very alluring and hot despite it.

I have no fucking clue why this happened to me.