Thread 725492281

>completely shuts down even the most skilled Heavy, Medic, Engineer, Soldier, Demoman and Sniper with ease
>your only hope is to be a fast boy or an autist that plays teamkiller simulator with a flamethrower
how is this balanced?

>even the most skilled soldier
you wish

>>725492281 (OP)
>Rocket jumps, killing you instantly
Oh i'm sorry, i didn't see you there.

>bumps into you on accident
>kills you before you can even get your revolver out

>>725492281 (OP)
Yeah but you need to be insanely godlike and lucky at the same time

>>725492281 (OP)
>I can sugarcoat it
>entire team is playing in shit

>>725494602
whoever made this image is a retard

>>725492281 (OP)
Kill Spies every time with this one easy trick!

>>725494389
For me it's
>Following a Spy to a set of stairs
>Watch him go up the stairs, jump, then stab at nothing because I stopped
>Punch him

>>725492281 (OP)
>the most skilled Sniper
Understands 150 a shot is plenty and keeps charging to a minimum giving flankers little room to catch him by surprise.
>the most skilled Soldier, Demoman
Both able to be fairly mobile and watch their back when they fight
>the most skilled Engineer
The engineer vs spy matchup is very much stacked against spy. Shotgun beats revolver up close.
>the most skilled Heavy
The most skilled Heavy would make sure to have a medic warning him of spies.
>the most skilled Medic
The most laughable notion you've posted. Medic absolutely fucks spy by simply being the one class in the game who has no obligation to ever look in any direction. He doesn't even need to look at who he is healing. Any time a spy backstabs a medic you absolutely know the medic has fucked up as he had no reason whatsoever not to watch his surroundings.

>>725495614
flailing/staggering huntsman kills make me laugh my fucking head off every time

>>725492281 (OP)
Spy is almost universally agreed to be the weakest class in the game. It being able to shit on shitters means very little.

>>725495731
if anything it's the entire point of spy that he catches people who are stupid or aren't paranoid, sometimes being a good spy means don't pick spy

>>725495614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-yxbVKYVrk

>>725494934
Nah

>>725495689
>that constant Half-Life 2 slapping sound

>>725495731
Skill issue

>>725494791
It's okay.

I made this shit up.

It's in reading rainbow.

The only real way to play spy is move around slightly with the cloak and dagger and go

THAT ENGINEER IS A BLOODY SPY!
THAT ENGINEER IS A BLOODY SPY!
THAT ENGINEER IS A BLOODY SPY!
THAT ENGINEER IS A BLOODY SPY!

>>725496286
For me it was sitting in invisibility spamming Wheatley voice lines and watching Engineers run around in circles swinging at the air

>>725492281 (OP)
Nice try sniperfag, but Sniper is the only unbalanced class and the only one that if removed makes the game more fun

>>725495976
it's amazing how the very edge of that hitsphere still does roughly 30 damage

>>725496467
it took me way too long to realize that gibbing logic was determined by how much damage you took past what was needed to kill you, I had no idea that if an explosion was just enough to kill you then you'd just get ragdolled and launched instead of gibbed

>>725496449
Like dominoes falling down

>>725492281 (OP)
>completely shuts down even the most skilled Heavy, Medic, Engineer, Soldier, Demoman and Sniper with ease
Jarate and bushwhacka says g'day mate

>setup phase
>switch to engineer to help the engineer upgrade stuff
>he switches to something else

>>725492281 (OP)
He's literally the squishiest class. Doesn't have the speed or maneuverability that Scout does and doesn't have the distance that Sniper has and when he's disguised, he could potentially be slower than his target.
A skilled Spy is annoying as fuck, but they have to still earn their kills.

>>725494934
it's in reverse

>>725495663
>keeps charging to a minimum giving flankers little room
>by charging you actually give plenty of room
based retard

>>725501674
5000 iq

>>725495614
While that's always a classic I fucking love playing spy, pretending to go for an obvious stairstab and then just blowing watermelon sized holes with my revolver in a player's balls as they wait for me to jump towards them with their melee weapon out. The amount of times I've gotten called a fag can't be topped

>>725495731
I dunno i find pyro to be weaker, any time I go spy and force their team to get 3 or 4 pyros to look for me it's basically free reign for me to swap to heavy next life to make them eat shit

>>725500667
Yes, that's what I said?

>>725501674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebrFO6tDqVs

>>725501997
Why wouldn't you trust a spy saying he's not a spy in chat?

>boy I feel like playing some comfy Zombie Infection
>remember it's mid-November and Halloween maps are already gone

>>725492281 (OP)
How does a spy fight a high level soldier that will be rocket jumping to and from so many things and hardly give you a chance to stab?

>>725502793
Ambassador, even though it sucks dick now, or Diamondback can be useful in getting the soldier to crater, you're right that backstabs are really not the play most times unless you really read where he's landing for a second or you're one of those super autistic Kunai users that can go for an overheal rocket surf stab

The class is dogshit but it's basically designed to harvest retards and invalids. Take away the dead ringer, kunai, and diamondback and the class falls to pieces for the average retard farmer. It's common to see these players leave if you shut them down with the actual counter of mad milk scout.

>>725502793
don't stab

The L'tranger can be a massive crutch

>>725503307
That said, I do like Kunai giving spy a higher skill ceiling and gives him niche scenarios where he's not just "sniper but worse"

A non-noob Heavy destroys Spies even hard than Pyro.

>>725492281 (OP)
>completely shuts down even the most skilled Heavy, Medic, Engineer, Soldier, Demoman and Sniper with ease
>>your only hope is to be a fast boy or an autist that plays teamkiller simulator with a flamethrower
He doesn't and it isn't. Just coordinate and be aware that there's a DR shitter about.

Kunai and dead ringer the 2 most annoying weapons in the game and they're in every match! At least people have the decency to keep the vaccinator and short circuit as uncommonly used items.

>>725493854
Well don't that beat all

>>725503307
Stickyjumping and activley carpeting the floor mid fight were ways demos adapted with the stickybomb launcher that Valve didn't particularly consider when initially designing the weapon as opposed to the initial idea for either setting a trap early or poking long distances. Things like kunai and dead ringer let spies stick around for chains and full on conflicts, but the fundimental hit and run playstyle of he was designed for I feel like is underapreciated.

>>725502727
Are there community servers with that gamemode

>>725503757
It's primarily capable of preying on the weakest players which is the problem, there are other items in the game with similar design philosophy (eyelander, zatoichi, yer) but none are as bad as the kunai. The class is already low value in most situations, and it needs power from something that isn't harvesting oblivious idiots for frag videos. Make him more effective as a counter to sniper and make him more effective at taking out engineers shit. I wouldn't be opposed to allowing him to get behind people easier for picks if we can get away from the face-hugging molester playstyle that's common now.

Sniper is out of your hands though when ~50% of them are cheating in any given match.

>>725494602
scout completely OBLITERATES demo but that's ok because demo is utterly dominant vs everyone else

>>725505469
>Scout obliterates Demo
t. Scout

>>725492281 (OP)
bait used to be believable

>>725502634
You could get yourself killed multiple times, express frustration and "suicide" by picking another class, then immediately revert back to spy while still in spawn.
Only a sniper main would be dumb enough to fall for that though.

The real spy play is to be ranged and use stealth to flank, do chip damage or get the final shot, then fall back. Low risk as you disappear right as the enemy turns around and you don't have to risk the turn around because you can just shoot as soon as you see them instead of needing to walk up and stab.
t. hasn't actually played tf2 since 2010 and am just theorizing with a poor memory of what the game was like

>>725504520
If there are I haven't seen them, all I see is trade garbage and skial

>>725492281 (OP)
Reminder spy was the only class capable of completely shut down sniper with the ambassador by counter sniping him from random positions and they nerfed the revolver beyond recovery

>>725510557
You can do the same thing with Scout without any real risk of being caught with your pants down.

>>725510557
Or you could just kill everything as sniper from the comfort of your spawn

>>725492281 (OP)
>completely shuts down even the most skilled Heavy, Medic, Engineer, Soldier, Demoman and Sniper with ease
A skilled spy completely shut down casual heavy, medic, engi, soldier, demo and sniper but a casual spy or a good spy against anyone skilled get owned easily like a little bitch

>>725502562
I wonder how this audio was isolated, the only place it appears is in the Meet the Sniper video.

>>725512119
leaked from valve private repos

>>725492281 (OP)
Lmao you wish

>>725492281 (OP)
https://youtu.be/Tc2r_J3tFr8?si=TjeZLt7LuzBzVEkG

>>725505469
>>725507852
Scout's like Spy in that he's great at demolishing anyone lacking environmental awareness, but against anyone who can aim he's completely fucked.
Short-range + Low-health = You do the math. I don't know where the "1v1 God" claim comes from.

>>725513183
true. scout counters demo until demo starts aiming pipes

>>725492281 (OP)
>>completely shuts down even the most skilled
Stop making shit up.

>>725513526
Ok but scout can still easily kill demo

>>725513183
Scout has enough DPS and mobility that anyone moderately good at either will demolish anyone.
The scatter gun does stupid damage and I don't understand how people don't get that.

>>725513831
>The scatter gun does stupid damage and I don't understand how people don't get that.
Because vanilla shotgun already 2 shots most classes in the game at point blank, scatter gun doesnt have enough increment in damage to notice this aside of 2 shotting soldiers, you say this because all classes that have shotguns are slow to mid walkspeed

>>725502092
I wish you had a recording, not because I don't believe you, but because the joy of imagining it just isn't enough.

>>725504268
The vac is just bad, that's why it's uncommon.

>>725514101
Based

>>725514097
The only class that will actually use those shotguns are engie.
Heavies never use shottie unless they're memeing.
Soldiers and Pyros will usually trade their shotguns for boots/banners or flareguns respectively and even if they're using shottie, they'll prefer to have their rocketlauncher/flamethrower out when engaging with 90% of the other classes, by the time they realize the shotgun is the right choice in a scenario, (close range) the scout is already meatshotting them and they won't even get a shot off before before scout gets the killing blow off.

Also you're downplaying the serious advantage that is scout's movespeed and double jumps. Every dipshit knows mobility is insane in games like TF2. It's why rocket jumping is such a key tool to play soldier.

>>725513831
>Enough DPS
That he has to be within a close range to make use of and he does not have enough HP to survive an encounter against any player of equal skill aware of existence.
>Mobility
A non-factor against a player with decent Aim, it's just one more thing the Scout player has to keep in mind. Both aiming and moving unpredictably, while his opponent merely has to track him.

Scouts are at their best flanking in the confusion of a firefight, taking down enemies aiming at someone else.

>>725513526
Demo hits pipe close enough and he's gonna get hit with self damage, and he doesn't have the health of soldier to eat that

>>725514101
I'll look at some of my old demo files for you anon, and if i find an example post it to tf2's general

>>725514468
>Soldiers and Pyros will usually trade their shotguns for boots/banners or flareguns respectively and even if they're using shottie, they'll prefer to have their rocketlauncher/flamethrower out when engaging with 90% of the other classes, by the time they realize the shotgun is the right choice in a scenario, (close range) the scout is already meatshotting them and they won't even get a shot off before before scout gets the killing blow off.
Shotgun in soldier is still sometimes used as pocketing, shotgun for pyro is mandatory as it gives him the highest DPS he can achieve with panic attack, also you are just assuming if scout can actually get behind someone without being caught first by a sentry or something else, hes got 125 HP for a reason

>>725514487
>A non-factor against a player with decent Aim.
It's way harder than it sounds
In a match up of a scout and a projectile class or a scout and another person with a shotgun, the scout has the advantage every time because scout is harder to land hits on because of mobility.
>both aiming and moving unpredictably.
Moving unpredictably is not hard.

>>725494602
dirty snipgger nigger posted this

I break the ankles of every single "pro" spy who faces me

t. scout main

>join game
>two cheating spies, one with 300 ping the other with bhop and autostab
>join another game
>two cheating scouts, both soda popper with double shot
I think I am very close to uninstalling tf2

>Scout is not a good 1v1 class
>Soldier and Demo are OP
>The scorch shot isn't a retarded weapon (outside of making sniper mains seethe)
>Pyro doesn't count as a soldier soft-counter for some reason.
>the sandman deserved getting gutted actually.
Only in /v/ will I ever see retarded claims like this.

>>725505469
what really obliterates demo is demoknight making it so no one uses any of the sticky launchers

>>725515820
>>Scout is not a good 1v1 class
Who the fuck says this, hes the overall best class in the game
>>Soldier and Demo are OP
Yes
>>The scorch shot isn't a retarded weapon
(outside of making sniper mains seethe)
It is retarded who the shit is saying this
>>Pyro doesn't count as a soldier soft-counter for some reason.
Pyro cant airblast all the rockets
>>the sandman deserved getting gutted actually.
Deserved a nerf, not whatever valve did

>>725515820
>the sandman deserved getting gutted actually.
It definitely needed something other than stun effect but I dont agree with it being reduced to its current state.

>>725492281 (OP)
literally no counterplay

>>725495976
Oh no 27 damage! Whatever will i do with the rest of my 90 hp and gun that 2 or 3 shots you?!?
Scout soft counters demo and soldier

>>725516332
post the Sniper one with Heavy's fists poking out from behind a door right next to him

>bump into guy
>no that wasn't a spy, i must be schizo
>he rapes my friend
Gentlemen

>>725515720
Kek

>>725514487
>have decent aim
Matters way less when you're using a slow moving or small hit box projectile and the other guy has a double jump for air control. Even if you knock a scout up with the first shot he can still dodge the follow up while slapping you with a 70 damage click. If the scout picks a good fight, which his movespeed gives him the leisure of doing, he will take a soldier modt times and a demo even more because splash barely matters and landing 2 clean shots starts boiling down to lucky guesses with how easy it is to dodge.
And that's putting aside self damage and falling damage always leaving them with less effective hp.

>>725516332
>Sniping
>Suddenly get hurt by revolver that sound like coming from behind
>Press WSD hoping to juke while screaming for help
>An ally pyro come
>Thank god I am safe
>Bump*
>Oh no

>Got my Razorback on
>Hugging against a wall
>Motherfucker just fucking shoots me to death
YOU...

>>725514914
>>725516902
Your arguments still rely on the opponent being of lower skill than the Scout. A god-tier Scout player will never be able to take down a god-tier Demo or Soldier or Sniper. Low hp and low effective range means he'll get splattered by anyone skilled. He has inherently less potential.

no way to counter this

>>725492281 (OP)
imagine how OP he would really be if there was friendly fire aka a penalty for reckless and brainless pyroing everyone

>>725492281 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyyGA_P_yAA

>>725521308
>pyro walks by, spamming flames as usual
>prank ruined

>used to play tf2 every day
>go sniper or scout and get accused of hacking frequently from pubstomping
>fast forward 12 years
>finally come back to tf2 this year for Halloween event
>miss all 6 shots with the scattergun
>miss spun-up heavies with the sniper rifle
>even after 3-4 hours of "shaking the rust off"
It's fucking over

>>725523353
I'm with ya man, I used to play this game religiously in highschool. I came back to it a bit after a couple of years and all I could play was cuntsman.

>>725523353
Same here, taken a long break for playing through all the Souls games after finishing up Elden Ring, came back to TF2 on a whim and I suck fucking ass.

>>725496467
>crit
>the edge of that hitsphere does precisely 270 damage

I quit the moment ambassador got nerfed, and I won't come back till it's reverted

I have Loch-n-Load fatigue.

>>725524195
stop using wrangler then nigger

>>725523353
>friends refuse to play TF2 with me because they think everyone that plays is going to be as "good as me"
>Don't even consider my self very good at videogames

>>725523353
>play tf2 every day
>almost always reach top score given the match goes on long enough
>get fucking raped and gaped whenever i try any other shooter
but why tho

>crouch on cart
>win

>>725523993
>he uses default 100ms of lag for no reason

>>725524478
In my experience, at least with counterstrike Deathmatch which I do enjoy when I get a not shit game.
It's because the people that play CS:2 deathmatch are fucking boring and just spend the entire game cheating on the AK/M4, despite using either basically being baby mode.

>Normalize Cloak Values: IW now has 12 seconds of cloak, CnD has 10, Dead Ringer has 8
>Dead Ringer can pick up ammo pickups for cloak again at a -75% penalty (and it's ONLY ammo pickups, building gibs will give nothing)
>Cloak Fade Times buffed - now takes a half second for a Spy to become fully invisible, and 1 second to become fully visible (currently 1 and 2 seconds respectively)
>Ambassador headshots no longer have damage fall-off and do full 102 damage within the accepted range, which is increased by 50%, afterwards it only does mini-crits on headshots
>Diamondback now stores Mini-Crits instead of full crits
>Big Earner and Kunai swap roles - Kunai now reduces your max HP by 25 and instantly cloaks you for 3 seconds on a backstab, Big Earner reduces your max HP by 50, but now has a stacking Eyelander-style movement and max HP bonus for each back stabbed, capping out at 175HP and Scout Speed. Subsequent backstabs do not give you overheal, just heals you for 25HP.
>Your Eternal Reward no longer has a cloak drain penalty. Still consumes cloak charge to disguise though
>Enforcer reworked - now functions like the Back Scatter, but does full crits when shooting someone in the back.
>Red Tape Recorder now reveals buildings it's sapping to your teammates, and the outline persists for 10 seconds after being removed. Can be cancelled early by the Engie picking up the building in question.

There, Spy is buffed.

>>725524846
>words words words
Just remove the 10 seconds of spawn wallhacks so spy can disguise and do shit and boom, spy fixed.

>>725524846
>That wall of text
Just make the watches have L'Etranger cloak duration, make the stock Revolver not miss after the first shot and make the sappers throwable.
There.

we should have gotten the monster hunter collaboration tbqhwyf

>>725492281 (OP)
>completely shuts down even the most skilled Heavy, Medic, Engineer, Soldier, Demoman and Sniper with ease
??? Spy at the very best counters Sniper and maybe Engie.

>>725524995
>3D ultrarealistic RE engine sloppa in my TF2
No, thank you.

>>725525107
it would obviously be stylized as to not ruin the sacred artistic integrity of tf2

>>725525037
If anything I'd argue spy counters demo more than engie. Once engie has his buildings up he doesn't really have anything to do but stick his back against a wall looking for spies and shotgun beats revolver 9 times out of 10. Not to mention he's got SC to counter cloak or wrangler rockets to 1 shot you. Demo can't really afford to turn around while he's spamming stickies or watching a sticky trap, he is one of the slowest classes, and melee range is where he is weakest.

Scout
>Oh he can two tap me before I can react
Soldier
>Oh he can just shoot crocket at a different post code and kill me behind a corner
Pyro
>Oh he can damage me by just flailing around like a retard forcing me to back out
Demo
>Oh he can make any retarded corner into a instakill zone
Heavy
>Oh he can mow me down within a second and tank endless amounts of damage
Engineer
>Oh but he can just wrangle his sentry making it impossible to kill
Medic
>Oh he can just keep the entire enemy team immune to anything and everything while keeping them all overhealed
Sniper
>Oh he can just turn any sightline into instakill zone
Spy
>oh he could just kill me instantly from back half of my bounding box and get away scotfree

But me, a /v/irgin, am perfect at the game and it is always someone or something else's fault I died. I never make a mistake, it is not my fault the enemy always has a perfect setup, scenario, and loadout to kill me, despite them needing the change the latter. Clearly all the classes are OP.
What do you mean I am a shitter?

>>725523353
Fake news. Literally no one said anything bad about Sniper before youtuber mentioned it in 2021.

>>725515720
>>725496449
I give it AT LEAST 50 years until TF2 is ever topped. Utter imbeciles who run AAA gamedev nowadays and the generations that grew up on their bullshit need to fuck off and retire until a masterpiece such as this is ever made.

>>725493854
>she want's the guy who's the shortest class
she wants a malewife

>>725510618
There's a few but they're always dead, which sucks because I really enjoy the mode too.

>>725492281 (OP)
>completely shuts down
>most skilled
>Medic, Engineer, Soldier, Demoman and Sniper
>with ease
I fucking wish

>>725492281 (OP)
>but still contribute least to actual objective

>>725494602
>airblasts your crocket back
Nothin' personnel kiddo

>>725501674
There is still so much meta to cover...

>>725492281 (OP)
I always thought Michael MacDonald from MADtv would make for a good live-action spy. I dunno spy's face even with the mask just reminds me of him.

>>725524478
for me its the microadjustment you need to make in other games like cs and valorant. i usually play soldier and pyro so i dont need good aim unless im going for an airshot or something

im banned from all of skial, UGC, uncletroon, and i regret nothing

>>725494602
This image is retarded because engineers and medics are as much of a pain to kill as snipers.
To this day, the average player looks at a sentry nest, switches to spy and dies immediately. Every payload, ctf and attack/defend match ever is testament to this.
Engineers are only vulnerable on the offensive and medics are glued to the good players by default. If a scout or spy is getting past that, the medic's team is hopeless and you've already won.

Hi. Professional spy player here. Spy is one of the weakest characters and there is no downside to friendly fire. The spy is also only good behind enemy lines, and nearly all maps have choke points that are nearly impossible to get past without impeccable timing. Even if you get behind the enemy, one person seeing you go the wrong way and it's all over.

Even if you're the greatest spy in the world, like I was, you still rely in a great amount of luck. On certain maps, against certain teams, I couldn't play spy. It would be completely pointless.

>>725524502
>take 20 fire damage
>dead ringer out

Alright guys you wanna talk about busted strategies? Let's talk about ACTUALLY BUSTED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0PJfIO64EU

Nothing one could beat what I'm about to show you, except for 2 ubered heavies in a row. Fucking nothing.

- Be an Engineer
- Equip the Rescue Ranger and any normal wrench
- Build a dispenser in the red circle. In the very corner.
- Build a sentry on the blue circle, on the shipping container, where it's nearest to the enemy doorways, you'll have to jump to get to it. This covers both lanes the enemy can actually get through, aside from the purple zones.
- Stand on top of your dispenser, it doesn't matter how well everyone can see you, so long as you keep a vigilante eye on the purple purple. You see ANYONE moving there, you shoot the rescue ranger at them while jumping up and down. It's deceptively great at long range pests.
- You see anyone coming towards you, again, hit them with the rescue ranger. Spies have to go through quite a bit of maneuvering in order to get to your sentry. You have such an advantage over their trek there, that this isn't viable for them at all.
- Anything damages the sentry, EVER? Fire the rescue ranger at it. You can heal it faster than they can hurt it.

You've won indefinitely. Anything that isn't ubered, cannot stay alive in-range long enough. That is until they uber 2 twice in a row.

>But what about--
No. Nothing works. I've seen it all, I've seen everyone try everything. There's nothing else.

Oh.
>>725536492
And the green circle is where you put the teleporter exit.
Optional.

>>725492281 (OP)
He doesn't shut down anyone(especially if snipers have razorback). Also the more spies there are on your team, the more the enemy will spycheck, making spy even weaker.

>>725524502
>*jumps*

>>725536764
He is on the cart

>>725492281 (OP)
The only way a Spy actually does well is if they:

>Use the Dead Ringer as a get-out-of-jail-free card
>Use the Diamondback for free crits for doing the basic job of the Spy
>Spycicle for if the other team has a Pyro actually doing their job and spychecking - or Kunai because you're a bitch that needs healing every 5 seconds
>Abuse Interp to get facestabs until the team kicks you because you're a faggot that needs interp to use Spy
>Set up an autoclick that goes off whenever you get the backstab hitbox on somebody's side

>2007 + 18
>retards still don't understand how backstabs work

when the fuck is tf2classic coming to steam, i am not playing retailslop

>>725537115
>Dead Ringer
that is literally unusable

>>725537115
I use YER because it's fun, although it forces me to use the Letranger becaysw for some reaaon the game's weakest knife requires a cloak duration penalty because ???

>>725538567
Because having the knofe that makes disguises more valuable but also harder to gain than cloak needed to nerf cloak