Thread 725503060

Is "slop" a bad way to describe games?

What's with these weirdo grifters on xitter? Are they being cloned?

>>725503060 (OP)
It's a decent way to describe things, but it's clearly overused and that guy is just applying it to anything.

It used to describe derivative homogeneous focus group tested corporate trash but now it just means "thing i personally don't like"
recently i've been seeing people use it to describe any game with a cringe fanbase, regardless of the game's qualities. So at this point it's a completely worthless way of describing games

>>725503060 (OP)
it's a term that once communicated something, and now is mainly useful as an easy filter to remove bots and brainless anons. godspeed sloppa posters

>>725503060 (OP)
"slop" has ironically become a slop-esque buzzword in itself

>>725503616
>it's a term that once communicated something
lol, no it fucking didn't. It was a /ck/ meme that was also intentionally nebulous.

>>725503060 (OP)
Slop is a term used by low intelligence cattle sheep because they can't articulate a proper sentence to describe why something is bad. It's basically zoomer ebonics like bet and rizz.

it's a great way for quickly determining if a post is worth reading

>>725503796
>midwit slop

ok

>>725503794
>It was a /ck/ meme
Are you one of those ESLs unaware that the word "slop" has existed in the English language since before the internet existed?

>>725503794
It’s a shame because the evolution into “goyslop” was originally about how low food quality is in the US and how unhealthy it is but retards latched on to it to make it into “thing I don’t like bad” and kllled any movement that could come out of it
But hey you get to feel superior for not playing Pokemon :)))

>>725503796
cap

>>725503060 (OP)
Slop is being used to describe "thing I don't like" way more than its being used to describe actual slop at this point, so I'd have to say yes.

>>725503794
It is a /pol/ meme. The original is goyslop. Plebbitors just took the le heckin antisemitism part out

>>725503060 (OP)
I find it so funny that normies use the phrase "slop" now unironically.
Like do they even know where it came from and what it described? kek

>>725503857
This. If any anon comes into a thread and asks if something is "slop" you know they aren't here in good faith and will just shit the thread up from there on.

>>725503060 (OP)
It's a stand in for actually articulating a critique, just a new version of
>Writing is shit
>Gameplay is garbage
>Music is terribe
style of critique. Tells me nothing except "didn't like it" without further articulation.

>>725504336
Spamming it in the normie sphere was entirely about diluting and burying the original meaning

>>725503060 (OP)
This review is slopslop

>>725504048
So has "cool" and "based" but that fact alone is irrelevant when talking about how they're used today

>>725504321
it's from /ck/ you tourist nigger
it came from describing meals people cooked as a "slop of shit" -> "sloppa" -> "slop" - (referring to low-quality chain food) -> "goyslop"
don't act like you know shit when you're just as much of a newfag as all the other normalniggers who inhabit your shitskin board

"-slop" is one of the few zoomerslang terms that is perfectly reasonable.

>>725504698
Slop is a fine term that you can perfectly understand the reasoning behind it. "Low-quality, mass produced slop" "Grey slop"
People just use it for things it doesn't apply to.
>not mass produced
not slop
>not low quality
not slop

>>725504893
>Grey slop
You are so close

As usual, /v/ kills something that was used in moderation by more niche communities beforehand.
>slop
>'oy
>jobber/jobbed
>cumbrain
>-oomer
>Virgin/Chad
And the list goes on and on.

>inb4 "uhm ackshully, it's xitter, not /v/!"
Everyone here also spams this shit on twitter.

>>725505040
Yes yes goy-slop too.
I used grey-slop as an example because it's a perfect example. A grey, tasteless mass perfectly describes some games, like ubisoft games.

>>725504893
“Low quality” is not in and of itself a criticism you need to explain what you don’t like

>>725505051
>we killed it
No, we invented and popularized it
Normalfags killed it

>>725505258
It absolutely is. Something being poorly made is absolutely legitimate criticism.

>>725503060 (OP)
No, bad games are a *feast* for goyim.

>>725505330
No it fucking isn’t you can call anything you want low quality, things are low quality for REASONS

>>725503060 (OP)
>>725503337
/thread

>>725505416
Your posts are lowqualityslop, cumbrain zoomer jobber

>>725505301
/v/ didn't invent shit and /v/ is a normalfag board

>>725505330
That kind of dismissal only works in fine art where there's no hope for the critic to understand what to fix. Gamers know *exactly* what to fix, devs know *exactly* how to fix it there's just literally zero capitalistic incentive to fix games.

>>725505493
his posts are lowqualityslop for a REASON bro

>>725505051
At least "safe horny" died quietly with some dignity
too esoteric a concept to catch on ig

>>725503745
truth

>>725505416
Things that are clearly low quality don't deserve to be dignified by calling out specifically why it's low quality. You don't need to go into the specifics of why water (makes things) wet either. Nitpicking the specific issues a product has should be saved for shit that actually has a chance to correct those flaws in future iterations.

For me it's /v/ meta phrases like
>Now that the dust has settled...
and
>Which Dragon would you Ball?

>>725505624
Safe horny is useful because it describes a specific thing, leftists pretending not to understand doesn’t make it useless. “slop” became widespread because of retards who can’t articulate why they dislike something

>>725504321
Isn't mocking gentiles the opposite of anti-semitism?

>>725503320
Based

>>725503060 (OP)
Slop no longer has any meaning. I really wish normies used words correctly. This is what we get for removing goy from it.

>>725505715
>ummm you see (game I don’t like) is just so low quality I won’t dignify it with a criticism
Great so I can use it against anything and say “you just don’t get it” if you disagree

>>725503060 (OP)
Slop, fun, enjoyable, good, bad...etc are all buzzwords that mean nothing that low IQ retards use as a crutch because they can't articulate a certain hunch that they have owing to their poor command over the english language.

>>725503320
Is he mocking redd*t s*yboys as well or is he just too scared to say "fucking"?

>>725505051
alot of zoomer slang is just 4chan lingo misappropriated. They dont know they're actively engaging with a word that in it's original context is an antisemitic conspiratard dogwhistle which in itself is hilarious.

>/v/ kills something that was used in moderation by more niche communities beforehand.
i'll push back on this as it's not actually /v/ or gaming communities in general propagating 4chan slang, it's entirely algorithmic bullshit feeding retards/underage new words that at first have no obvious meaning, then they fall down a clickhole of 'are you a chudmaxxed chadpill trucel?' and try to stay in the know, and then it enters their shit for brains lexicon.

>>725504143
>"thing I don't like"
According to my girlfriend people who say this to describe *every criticism ever* are not good people.

Oh NOW /v/ is tired of the slop word

>>725503060 (OP)
I'm so fucking sick of the word Slop.
It's a slop word.

>>725505301
think /pol/ invented it as goyslop to describe fast food and then everyone else just started attaching other shit to it

>>725505980
>"not good people"
Women (and machildren) really love this label for people having opinions they disagree with.

>>725505852
>I really wish normies used words correctly.
POV You are on 4chan

>>725505913
If someone takes a shit on your plate do you really need any other reason to call it shit other than it being shit? Do you really need a deep anal-cyst of why this specific pile of shit is shit? As if it would make any difference? Shit is shit is shit.

>>725505624
>At least "safe horny" died quietly with some dignity
It had no dignity, it was a term invented by and then spammed by a twitter user who posted on kiwifarms about how amazing they were for inventing the term.
>>725505301
>slop
/ck/
>'oy
/pol/ and /x/
>jobber/jobbed
/asp/
>-oomer
/biz/
>Virgin/Chad
/fit/ and /r9k/ (the specific meme variant that blew up was an /r9k/ specimen).

>>725506081
Name one time "agree to disagree" has ever happened on /v/.

>>725506089
Yes you need a reason to call something shit

>>725504678
Go check the timeline, you stupid nigger. Goyslop is the first modern usage of the word to indicate low quality. Plebbitors like yourself then stole it and started calling everything slop

>>725506202
I disagree.

>>725506089
>If someone takes a shit on your plate do you really need any other reason to call it shit other than it being shit?
Wouldn't take 5 minutes for the first normalfag on twitter to comment
>I've been eating shit my whole life. I don't get the hate.
>You just hate fun, do you?
>Poorfags can't afford shit haha
>How does this affect your personally?

>>725503060 (OP)
Yes. Quality slop is a huge problem in games.

>>725503060 (OP)
slop was always just another word synonamous with shit. I don't know why people treat it as anything else. Whether it's seething at its mere use or using it as if it explains anything more. Calling something slop is the same as calling it shit. Even if you add a noun before it, it's exactly the same.

4chan isn’t a sekritclub anymore. Your slang will be used

>>725506130
What are you, the meme loremaster?

slop is safe-shit for pussywhipped algoniggers. quote me on that

>>725503060 (OP)
yes, because like all buzzwords, it's been overused to the point of meaninglessness

>>725503060 (OP)

ironically isn't a word, say unironically

>>725503060 (OP)
I don't know this guy but i agree with him because it was my exact thoughts

>>725503060 (OP)
In theory no but when it's used for anything and everything it becomes just dumb and meaningless

>>725506318
This is just a lazy way to say a game that "came and went" that has no memorability. You think back on it all you have to say is "reviewers gave it a 10" You would never reinstall it or play it a second time. Like Ubisoft games or Arkham.

>>725506440
Nah I just used to post on /fit/ and /r9k/ in the 2010s. The rest you can just learn from paying attention casually, but the issue with /v/ is that once a new meme word came into /v/'s purview, it would get spammed endlessly. The word "coomer" solely exists because /v/ spammed cumbrain so hard that it got filtered after about three days.

>>725506593
I bet you don't even lift

>>725503060 (OP)
"friendslop" is a great descriptor.
i can enjoy a friendslop game for a weekend or so, but i would never classify them as "good" games.

>>725503060 (OP)
Its become such an over used term it doesnt mean anything anymore. Anything someone doesnt like is "slop"

>>725506593
remember when /v/ found out about the word onions and spammed it so hard it got added into a word filter when the other boards were using it fine for years.

>>725503060 (OP)
it's just a meaningless buzzword now as usual

>>725505852
'we' didn't remove goy from slop, it was twitter/tiktok normalfags who took goyslop and removed goy because you would need to have a working understanding of the global conspiracy of jews poisoning the food supply for the word goy to make any sense. What they did do was affix -slop to be synonymous with AI generated content.

>>725504069
This is /v/, home of the food analogy. It was inevitable.

>slop character models and slop loot
what does that even mean

-slop just means something generic, with no substance, mediocre at best. there is also the added connotation that something "slop" is not just generic and bland but also tremendously abundant

for example, quirky earthbound inspired game about depression like celeste, hollow knight, undertale, etc. it falls into "indie-slop" category, none of those games are that great and tons indies are like that, hence indieslop

>>725506997
korean game and/or chinese game

>>725506675
It is shocking how much /v/ overused the word onions.
Like, here's a horrific comparison, on desuarchive for EVERY board (excluding /int/, since 'oy is a common word in other languages and is thus, unfiltered there), 'oy in plaintext only returns 90,235 results.
That is across these boards:
/a, /aco/ /an/ /c/ /cgl/ /co/ /d/ /fit/ /g/ /his/ /k/ /m/ /mlp/ /mu/ /q/ /qa/ /r9k/ /tg/ /trash/ /vr/ /wsg/
Desuarchive spans back to 2009 in some cases, it covers ENTIRE board histories.

On b4k, which only goes back to 2015 for JUST /v/, and which only covers these boards:
/v/, /vg/, /vm/, /vmg/, /vp/, /vrpg/, /vst/, /qb/
'oy returns 40,425 results.
On /v/ specifically, it's 39,418. Nearly HALF of desu's entire usage of 'oy.

This is a board for children who never got beaten by their parents for repeating the same joke over and over again.

>>725506997

hes talking about arc raiders

>>725504069
Makes you think how /v/ does not call pokemon "goyslop" when it fits the bill in every single way, but every other game gets the slop treatment before its even out

>>725507193
I know nothing about that game

>>725503060 (OP)
No, food analogies are always the best.

>>725507068
why is sóy higher on /v/ when /qa/ was the literal sóyjak board, /fit/ invented sóyboy, and the first sóyjak was posted by a swede on /int/ to make fun of tendies

>>725507389
Because they didn't tend to use the word the way /v/ would, so when 'jaks would come up in discussion, they'd call them that.

>>725507389
because /v/ gets a fuckton more traffic and console war kids ran it into the ground very, very quickly

>>725507068
theres been a curious lack of filtering trendy words lately. Unc especially needs to fuck off.

>>725503060 (OP)
No, but it's clearly starting to be.

>>725507068
it gets even crazier when you remember that the word was filtered after a while and it's still in effect today so 40k of that word used was during a time period of a few months.

>>725503060 (OP)
If your game uses "pre-made assets" made by some generic third party, it's slop. No two ways about it.

>goyslop has seeped into the public consciousness
>nigger fatigue has too
/pol/ won

>>725503060 (OP)
>is [meaningless buzzword used by illiterate morons who can't articulate a single coherent objective criticism] a bad way to describe [literally anything]

>>725503060 (OP)
No it's an anti semitic 4chan dogwhistle

>>725507696
So literally every game ever? Most notably Super Mario 64.

>>725507702
We should move on though, it's clearly demonstrated that after we make up new metas here that normies will follow suit through social osmosis

>>725507752
this
literally just say what's bad about it

>>725507494
>most of the sharty never saw let alone posted during the golden days of /qa/
>teens will never experience organic sóyduels, asciijaks, or one schizo replying to his own thread 300 times
Im old

>>725507761
Wagies can't even make proper goyslop anymore

>>725507593
People complain when words get filtered, and the issue is always just /v/, so why bother?

>>725503060 (OP)
slop works as a good term for bland, uninspired or clearly lackluster content that the developer hasnt had the care or interest to make meaningful or worthwhile
dailies in gacha games are the perfect example of slop: gating content as a bandaid fix or deliberately to pad out a game's overall runtime because if you played it all at once you'd realise theres not enough content to invest any good time into the game

>>725503745
The only context in which I use slop is food, because I know I sometimes get lazy while cooking and just put together some slop (usually a soup), but it's my slop and it's good enough

>>725505051
>jobber/jobbed
animefags killed that one

>>725507917
>animefags
/dbs/ did.
/dbs/ is a /v/ colony.

>>725507821
But then he might say what he thinks is good about it and that's not the point?

today on 4chan
in 2 years - everywhere
maybe its because other places are too censored so spawn anything organic critical of modern world

>>725503060 (OP)
Yes, it is.

>>725507860
Goyslop died when we realized the jews/elites are just going to use good old starvation and palantir camps for their depopulation agenda

seriously even the shittiest mcslop is just as expensive as groceries, i miss the days of cheap and filling goyslop

>>725503060 (OP)
I'm glad it's widely used now. It's just a way of calling something derivative, if people can be bullied into making more interesting and unique content then that is a good thing

>>725506130
>jobber/jobbed
>/asp/
get a load of this mark
jobber/jobbed outdates the creation of the internet

>>725508082
"Slop" isn't critical of anything, it's a meme term used to denote "Thing I don't like"

>>725508082
britbongbros... our response??

>>725506130
some 50 year old pedophile that runs the tf2 partyvan has been trying to force his KWAB blacked shit for years now and I wish he would blow his own fucking head off already.

>>725508137
Current usage, not its intended usage.

>>725508082
To have a culture capable of creating anything, you need to have at least 2 people lol. Tiktok and Twitter have no organic communities, only an eternal For You page.

>>725508190
the carny use is the same as the current use and that still predates arpanet

>>725503125
what is he grifting?

>>725504048
Search for "slop" usage across 4chan before /ck/ started liberally posting it. You won't, but if you do then you'll find out just how retarded you are.

>>725508491
Shut the fuck up with your slopposts. Nobody cares about ceekay. It's as irrelevant as your replyslop

>>725508456
It really isn't used the same.
Jobber went from denoting an actual role to just meaning 'loser' when it got popular to use on /asp/ (and devolved further once it got popular elsewhere).

The proliferation of words like "slop" came about because retards don't realize that critique is an actual skill you need to learn, so they take the lazy route of boiling everything about something to just one word and call it a day. Same goes for positive buzzwords like "based" or "kino", too

i have anti-slop fatigue

>>725508150
is this what tourists think?

>>725508808
tourists dont think

>>725508707
these types of words emerge every so often because people are incapable of not being hyperbolic. the phrase The Bomb came from references to the literal nuclear bombs detonated on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

>>725508808
That's how it has been used on /v/ since it got popularized. If you think you're being critical of something by just going "Slop!", you aren't. You're just saying "I don't like this".

>>725503060 (OP)
It's a good way to describe AAA games and gacha. However, It gets a little awkward because those are /v/ staples

>>725508150
Goyslop was critical of jew feeding the goyim with poisonous food. Reddit fags distilled it into inoffensive 'catch all' garbage

>>725507761
Fuck off

>>725508104
The CEO of Palantir is a Trump supporter and Nick Fuentes fan.

>>725503060 (OP)
No, but heckin in that sort of context is cancer

>>725509423
Okay, he's not a Nick Fuentes fan, but he can't bring himself to denounce him, so he's at least a Fuentes apologist.

>>725508707
>aiiiee you can't just call bad things bad you need to write a thesis as to why they are bad
No.

>>725505624
>At least "safe horny" died quietly with some dignity
>too esoteric a concept to catch on ig
IT WAS ALWAYS
A SHITTY BUZZWORD
RETARD

>>725509983
If your opinion doesn't have a thesis statement and supporting evidence you're not critiquing you're shitposting

>>725510105
doesn't matter where it comes from
still has utility for calling out cali-fag leftist sexuality
your seething won't stop anyone from using it tho :)

>>725510525
I remember the
>LE MUSCLEMOMMY
shills that infested this board for a few weeks

>>725510525
Okay respectelves
Gonna go on KF and pretend to be a woman again?

>>725505624
>>725510105
"spicy" is the new safe horny because apparently the internet needs even more self-censoring lol

>>725503060 (OP)
No, it's a perfect analogy. Games are increasingly of lower and lower quality despite production costs. Like the feeding of pigs, you can place this slop in a trough and all the pigs(normies) come and gobble it up with nary a complaint. A better angle to your question, especially relevant to your image, would be "Are retards using the analogy incorrectly or have they completely supplanted it by using slop as the hip new way of saying something is bad without understanding the founding context?"

>>725510687
since you like twitter so much maybe you should stay there

>>725510606
do you think that whenever you see anything its the result of [that thing] shills and then when you dont see it, its because the shills gave up
you have a mental disorder

>>725503060 (OP)
normalfags overused it and it lost its meaning, they just use it to say shit now since they can't say shit because of the filters

>>725508463
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBjAOwkgN94
he grifts tonight carried by waves

>>725503060 (OP)
It was always a worthless non-criticism when it first got used in the context of games. Every game that is genuine slop can be better critiqued with actual reasons and evidence, and like all non-criticisms, it gets used by people against something they personally dislike, and when pressed they are genuinely incapable of providing any reasoning for why the game in question is "slop".

>>725503060 (OP)
slop is most generic meaningless word ever now

>>725503060 (OP)
no but its overused

>>725503060 (OP)
Yes it's a tell you're either a bot or third worlder. Everyone needs to be in that middle-ground where you're neither an overly-agreeable chat-bot nor a rage-farm baiter. Also
>Twitter thread

>>725510606
yet another symptom of psyop'd zoomers

>>725511432
Just because it can be doesn't mean it should be. It is more effective to shame bad behavior then it is to try and explain to retards why their behavior is bad in the first place.

>>725511265
>says as he jerks off a meme phrase created and spammed by a twitter user

>>725511684
>posts psyop
All of those behaviors existed before the internet.

>>725504321
>>725504678
>>725506260
None of you faggots invented calling shitty things "slop", especially not food. /pol/ started the retarded "goyslop" phrase and people started calling everything slop after that, it spread around. Then AI got called slop so much that it became popular to say.

>>725511714
I've heard every popular game made since 1990 described as "slop" at some point. In what way does the use of the word create any value to anyone when it is used so frequently out of context?

>>725503060 (OP)
slop just means low effort/lowest common denominator, the issue is the average person has no idea how much effort something takes to produce, on top of that thinks they're a special unique snowflake.
so now "slop" just means "I didn't like this"

>>725511985
Retards and paid shills will do retard and paid shill things. You really think that what they say or do matters?

>>725503060 (OP)
yes

>>725510105
>>725510525
Safe horny is still relevant

>>725511684
>men are socially not allowed to exist as sexual beings
This is a complete psyop by terminally online undesirables. In every normal, heterosexual couple I know IRL the guy acts just like guys always have, despite the internet telling people it's somehow no longer allowed.

>>725506675
>>725507068
It SΩY the word is still being filtered

>>725509423
>>725509572
When i say "the jews" and "depopulation agenda" i mean the fucking jews and elites, all of them, not the ominous "them" that magatards use to claim there is some hidden democrat deep state that fights some invisible war with super secret patriots

>>725514053
True, it's mostly on the internet and in fiction.

>>725505926
if you say a swear on social media these days they chemically castrate you

>>725514340
Cum-brain
T-b-h
f-a-m
Nin10yearolds
sony-ggers

Having word filters was gay as fuck to begin with, also glad moot got divorced, lost his job at google, and is trooning out, moot needs to burn in total nigger-hell and rapeape should follow him

>>725503060 (OP)
Forget Clownworld, we now live in Slopworld. Best dig in. All you can do is wade around looking for bits of meat.

>>725514815
Its still clownworld only now nobody is laughing

>>725507593
Unc needs to be filtered to ojisan

>>725515425
agreed desu

>>725507593
Unc is crashing out

>>725503060 (OP)
When pretty much any term is overused it become bad. I only use slop to describe ai.

>>725510105
I remember this guy, he's been using this board since GG. He's quintessential /v/, especially with how he's now very active on Twitter kek.

>>725504321
Fucking polnigger cancer trying to hijack yet another meme. It came from /ck/ insufferable trash.

I just imagine that all zoomers saying unc are bratty msgk who need correction and it makes my penis mad.

>>725504321
It's like 'based' where it originally came from somewhere else, but only became really popular when it came to /pol/. Started on /ck/ then people on /pol/ turned it into 'goyslop' then goyslop was turned into just 'slop' again.

>>725503060 (OP)
it's been pointless non-descriptor ever since niggas started to throw "goyslop" at absolutely everything

>>725503125
"Weird grifters on xitter" is the preferred opinion source for most of /v/ these days.

people are misusing slop
slop is something you consume but acknowledge its low quality

>>725505301
>we
You are undoubtedly an election tourist. You are also on the most normalfag board imaginable, you doublenigger

>>725506089
>food analogy

>>725503060 (OP)
I never liked the spike of usage for the word period. It just sounds like a word a retard should use. Like the word "boobs." Just use tits.

>>725507761
For me, it's the McChicken. The best fast food sandwich. I even ask for extra McChicken sauce packets and the staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.
One time I asked for McChicken sauce packets and they gave me three. I said, "Wow, three for free!" and the nice friendly McDonald's worker laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-free!".

Now the staff greets me with "hey it's 3-for-free!" and ALWAYS give me three packets. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local McDonald's restaurant, I go there at least 3 times a week for lunch and a large iced coffee with milk instead of cream, 1-2 times for breakfast on the weekend, and maybe once for dinner when I'm in a rush but want a great meal that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily nutritional needs.

>>725503060 (OP)
it's certainly reductive

>>725503060 (OP)
Even though his profile pic is low res, I can still tell that he's Jewish.

>>725503337
What if I don't personally like derivative homogeneous focus group tested corporate trash

>>725503060 (OP)
>triggered goes from mocking fake PTSD shit to being any kind of mad, even slightly annoyed
>snowflake, likewise, goes from making fun of a specific kind of leftist who collects minority sexualities and disabilities like pokemon to "anyone who is even slightly annoyed"
>normalfag gets bowdlerized to normie by reddit
And now, finally, we have a watered-down version of goyslop making its rounds around the normalfag internet

>>725503794
>>725504678
Dumbass ESL newfag thinks /ck/ invented the concept of calling food "slop"

The fact people think current 4chan is capable of making anything other than wojak variations is hilarious

>>725503060 (OP)
I love how goyslop has snuck into the mainstream. Next we need to start normalizing including the "goy" part.

>>725503060 (OP)
It's used by people who don't know how to explain why they don't like something so yes. Calling something "Shooterslop" doesn't tell me why it's bad, only that you have a bias against that particular detail and probably wouldn't like it even if it was genuinely good.

>>725504048
The current usage of the word "slop" directly comes from /ck/ memes about fastfood being goyslop

>>725503060 (OP)
Its not, qualityslop is the latest slop we get and im personally sick of it.

>>725506548
>"reviewers gave it a 10" You would never reinstall it or play it a second time. Like Ubisoft games or Arkham.
What a dumb statement.