Thread 725505591

So, with MS apparently remaking the Halo trilogy, can it be assumed that they're abandoning the direction that Infinite was going? If that's the case, are they indirectly declaring the stuff that 343 made non-canon, or are they content to make the last canonical thing to happen in the Halo universe Chief being stranded on Zeta Halo with some random Mexican pilot and a copy of Cortana, with the big bad still alive, and the rest of the cast dead and/or missing?

Seems kind of lame, I didn't hate the direction that Infinite was going, and I thought it did a decent enough job of retconning 5.

They made a book that follows up Infinite, and they made a statement that Halo 7 is still in the works separately of Campaign Evolved, which will have the next "proper" multiplayer. But frankly, it's either all or nothing at this point; it would make sense to abandon the whole nasty lineage of 343 even if Infinite had untapped potential, but at the same time it's so filled with uncertainty and just about no one really liked the concept of the Endless.

You can bet that no matter what happens they want to ruin the franchise even more.

>>725506375
>just about no one really liked the concept of the Endless.

I barely remember anything about that. In fact, pretty much all I remember about Infinite at this point is driving a Warthog around fucking shit up with a bunch of Marines equipped with Spartan Lasers. I don't remember what even happened in that game, or really even anybody's name but Atriox, and you don't even get to fight him.

I've considered replaying it, because it would practically feel like a new game at this point, but I kind of don't want to if it's going to be a narrative dead end.

>>725505591 (OP)
No, they just want to shit up the original trilogy as well.

>>725506785
It's not much to miss anyway. The Endless just get some loose descriptions about controlling time and somehow being immune to the Halo rings that even the Forerunners fear them, but the game ends with them as a nebulous, unresolved sequel threat without ever divulging much of anything else. It doesn't even answer if the Harbinger is an Endless or not, they're intentionally vague about that one. It's easily the biggest shortcoming alongside slaughtering Halo Wars 2 to throw the Banished into Infinite as a piss poor Covenant recolor facsimile of itself.

>>725505591 (OP)
We will see when Halo 7 comes out, which will likely require you to have read a book and a comic book to understand what is going on

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>>725507201
If 343 hadn't been such a mismanaged shitshow, I would like to have seen Infinite be an ongoing thing, as the title sort of implied, rolling out updates that would give you access to more sections of Zeta Halo, and give you more story bits (here's the episode where you find Lasky and the Infinity crew, here's the one where you run into Blue Team, here's where Arbiter and the Elites show up, here's where you run into the Flood, etc).

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Don't worry that ending will be resolved in a twitter space voice drama to make room for the new new new new direction for Halo, as is tradition.

>>725506375
I actually figured the logical thing to do for multiplayer alongside the remake was move it back to 2552-2553 setting and use all the traditional weapons (except find a way to leave out the plasma rifle again jej) as that makes much more sense for an evergreen Halo setting anyways.

>>725508810
I really don't get why they're limiting themselves to remaking the trilogy again, aside from it just being the easiest possible thing for them to do. There is potential for so much stuff set during the Covenant War. Hell, ever since reading Fall of Reach back in the day, I've wanted a Rogue Squadron-style space combat game.

>>725505591 (OP)
Everyone is remaking everything, they just can't develop games like these anymore with their nepotism hires. Do you really need us to spell it out for you?

>>725506375
>no one really liked the concept of the Endless.
so just like how H5 ditched H4's plot threads, then Infinite off-screened the entire Created/Guardians plot from H5, Halo 7 is almost certainly going to toss away the Endlless

>>725509474
You know, I completely forgot that they killed Didact in a fucking comic.

>>725509474
I also find it weird that they've left 5 to rot on Xbox One. I know it's not exactly a beloved game, but literally every other game in the series is available on Steam, and then there's just this massive blank spot in the form of 5. You can tell they're a little embarrassed by it.

>>725509071
>if the remakes fail it's because the originals were never good
>if the remakes succeed it's because the new mechanics and artstyle
Either way it's a win-win situation for 343.

>>725510049
I don't hate the idea of them taking another pass at 2 and 3, maybe do a better job linking the two, get Michael Wincott back as Prophet of Truth, or at least someone who sounds like him, rework the awkward writing in 3, add stuff back in that was cut from the originals for time and/or budgetary reasons, stuff like that.

>>725505591 (OP)
In fact, they're remaking the original Halo trilogy to certify 343 kino canon, and they're rerecording dialogue and adding new missions to achieve this.

>>725505591 (OP)
No, they're not. Halo Campaign Evolved is first then Halo "7", then Halo 2 remake as DLC to this, then Halo "8" as DLC to 7, then Halo 3 remake DLC, and after that, Halo "9" DLC. That's what the leaks say. They're doing it the Resident Evil way.

>>725509873
Its weird they did port the whole engine to PC for the H5 Forge creator tool. Had no campaign or matchmaking but you could play custom multiplayer games.
Seems off to go through the trouble to get the game running on PC and not try to sell it there, but I guess they still believed in their console exclusives back then.

Still should mean they can more easily do it now.

>>725505591 (OP)
>So, with MS apparently remaking the Halo trilogy
Maybe I'm getting Mandella'd but didn't they already do this with the MC collection? If not, I'm glad I didn't conned into buying it. I was under the impression there was some actual value to the whole thing.

Once the Master Chief is brought over to the supreme Playstation audio there will be no need to import MartyO's soundtrack in such low resolution. MCC is the best multiplayer shooter on the Playsation 7.

>>725510726
Remaking CE again at least has makes some sense since Anniversary is old and was done sloppy.

But H2A is fine as is IMO, its gonna be really silly to remake H2 when that exists.

every major dev has been gutted by corporations and producers which is why they're all desperately pushing unreal like the current AI bubble. i expect major closures in the next 5-10 years

>>725510764
Seems like a really obvious thing to do. Again, if Microsoft's gaming division hadn't been such a mismanaged shitshow.

>Announce Campaign Evolved, to get people excited
>Shadow drop 5 as DLC for MCC to tide people over. Charge like 15-20 bucks.
>Zoomers declare it a misunderstood masterpiece, as they are wont to do.

>>725510315
Would rather just have them release the source code to the originals so we wouldn't have to deal with them anymore.

>>725510853
They didn't remake anything, they basically just slapped a fresh coat of paint on the originals. Completely fucking up the art direction in the process, in the case of CEA.

>>725511050
I think the problem with that idea is MCC is still also an Xbox One game, as is Halo 5.
They'd have to do something for the console players who separately own Halo 5 to not be screwed over by that.

>>725510853
Master Chief Collection was basically just a bunch of ports, and Combat Evolved Anniversary was a shit remaster of CE already sold separately on the Xbox 360 that then got slapped into the MCC three years later. You can argue remaster factors here or there, but overall it was largely just CEA that is a distinguishing point here, and CEA itself was effectively a port with an optional anniversary graphics/sound layer on top rather than anything close to a remake.
People keep citing CEA as having remade Halo 1 before, but really, Campaign Evolved is the first actual series remake proper, it's just seriously unoriginal territory.

>>725510929
Halo 2 sucked that's why, plus it gives them an excuse to introduce Prophet Prelates to the sandbox.

>>725510929
There's a lot that was cut from the original 2 for time reasons, including a proper ending.

>>725511050
>Charge like 15-20 bucks
Imagine doing MCC right! You could have charged me infinite!

>>725511805
They mostly fixed it by now, still not perfect but it's like an ocean's length of difference from launch.

Reminder that Halo 4 was the last game 343 released that was fully complete at launch.

>>725505591 (OP)
Its been over since 2010 bro

>>725512010
It wasn't furry, I should know, I brought the fucking game. It was a buggy mess with no red Xs over the dead bodies in MP and it took them a year to fix that. Forge was half-assed and missing features from Reach, a year later they finally added some shitty Forge World stand-in. The campaign was the shortest and most linear in the series, what the fuck even was Spartan-Ops? Grunts back also no longer exploded. You will not memory hole how shit Halo 4 was especially at launch, that Call of Duty piece of shit.

>>725505591 (OP)
No one is at the wheel

>>725512435
She really is the Kathleen Kennedy of video games, aside from the fact that she did eventually get shitcanned.

>>725512010
Halo 4 wasn't complete faggot, fucking FILE SHARE wasn't even available for months.

>>725512809
This meme about Halo 4 being a complete game at launch is really starting to get out of hand.

>>725506375
>They made a book that follows up infinite
Why the FUCK can't they just follow it up in the next game? Why do I you gotta read like 3 books to keep up with Halo lore? Remember how Halo 1 through 3 just jumped off the previous entry? Imagine if Halo 3 started with a time skip. Covenant's destroyed, Prophet of Truth is dead, and it's just remnants that chief is fighting with some random asshole alien as the main villain. How fucking frustrating would it be if that gap was covered in 3 or 4 books.

>>725513056
>Remember how Halo 1 through 3 just jumped off the previous entry?
There is a book (also released) between 1 and 2 that fits in a fairly big handwaving gap of how the fuck Captain King and Johnson got back to Earth, and a less great comic book that addresses how the fuck he went from riding on the same ship as Truth while the rest of the cast is back at Delta Halo to crashing into the jungle when everyone else is already on Earth and Truth has already almost dug up the portal.

>>725514065
If they wanted to get serious with these remakes, they could work some of that stuff in. It did always kind of bug me how First Strike was handwaved with "Sorry, Guns...that's classified" in 2.

>>725514065
I don't find the gap between 1 and 2 much of an issue, since 1 ends conclusively with the Ring's destruction and the details of them getting home (for in-game context) isn't important.

But it will always bug me that between H2's ending and H3's start there is no mission onboard the Forerunner Keyship. Yeah they ran out of time in H2, but why pass that chance in H3 for a crazy opening mission where you go guns blazing in there for a bit before having to bail out the door.

>>725514065
I liked Bungie's approaches to the books and any other group that touched the Halo IP - they completely ignored it and did their own thing instead. In Halo 2's first level the armorer asks Johnson how he got off the ring, only to be told it's classified. That was Bungie telling the books to fuck off. Only the games they made mattered to them, and it made the games better. 343 instead pandered as hard as possible to the extraverse that only 0.2% of Halo fans knew about, and the games were just boring exposition dumps fellating and referencing it.

>>725515427
Bookshit was always a Microsoft thing, Bungie should have gave them the middle finger and went full Marathon on Microsoft's asses with Halo. Telling everyone outside of Bungie to fuck off with Halo was based. 343 were retarded and shilled book crap up everyone's ass until it stopped making money now they're forced to make games and not books anymore. They still exist but they now just tell nothing storyline that book trannies still think mean anything because they're stuck in 2011.

>>725515814
The only sad thing was Halo Wars. Ensemble had their own IP they were working on with a functional console RTS control scheme. Microsoft forced them to make it into Halo, Bungie did as little as possible to help them out on it, they did the best they could, and then got shut down.

>>725516015
Fuck Microsoft, while I don't blame Bungie for how they acted, they shouldn't have took it out on the people hired by Microsoft, they should have just took it out on Microsoft. I do kind of blame Bungie on the count that they didn't just sell themselves to Microsoft, they sold Halo to Microsoft too so this was to be expected since they gave up ownership of Halo to them. I wouldn't have given up any IP including new IP I was working on to another company knowing what they could or would do to it.

>>725514379
Well that said First Strike is the most batshit story in pre-Reclaimer era Halo and just casually introduces time travel and thousands of times faster space travel with its magic mcguffin to make its timeline of events returning to Reach remotely plausible.

>>725515814
It's not a matter of making anyone fuck off and Bungie games are not bereft of references to things that were previously extended lore even before Reach being simultaneously heavily based on and heavily contradictory of it (I don't think either the name John or S117 are Bungie creations), but bogging your game down by trying to include every single fucking thing doesn't work. It's the difference between Buck showing up for 5 minutes in role that requires no explanation in Reach and hammering him in as a main character in 5, and none of that is book related.

>>725513056
In this case it's probably because Infinite was explicitly supposed to have more content and DLC, but its rough launch and 343 falling apart internally because of Microsoft's contractor policie made them cancel all those plans. Even the multiplayer seasonal stories were cut so spontaneously, around season 4 I think, that the unfinished animatics leaked online and every single piece of content since then has been nothing but patches, Forge community shit, and dripfeeds of stuff ready but not shipped for years, and some of it will likely never see the light of day now.

The book essentially is to Halo Infinite what the extra post-release books were to Final Fantasy XV: continuing the plot that was supposed to be playable content but got cut down into having to become novels instead.

>>725516752
True, to me, Halo 4 showed almost instantly that 343 both didn't understand Halo as a series nor did they understand the basic knowledge of making a video game. To me, they made three major mistakes with Halo 4
>Master Chief talks during gameplay
>Cortana is rampant and yet they couldn't figure out how to make this a wacky gameplay mechanic that would either make you very powerful or hilariously blows up in your face because it's random
>doesn't make Cortana/Master Chief go Super Saiyan in the end with all of Cortana's rampant abilities but without the negative kickbacks which ends up curing her but making it to where Chief and Cortana can never use those superpowered abilities again in future games but both can now go on many adventures going forward with no issues
These fuck ups led to 343 needing to bring Cortana back with a new name in Halo 6. I find it poetic that 343 also had to change their name after three ironic fuck ups in making Halo games, kek.

A story is important for a game's context, but it shouldn't be the game itself.