Thread 725569124

Why didn't it last like UT99?

>>725569124 (OP)
I can find servers in both though. This isn't fortnite where you need to phone home to daddy timmy. You just call up the boys and hop on.

>>725569124 (OP)
There's 24/7 Torlan servers to this day.

>>725569124 (OP)
The main menu theme still plays in my head to this day

>>725569124 (OP)
Wow who made this ai retro looking ad for the secret level episode lmao it looks like dogshit bruh

>>725571982
absolutely and totally forgotten

cant say the maps were too interesting either

>>725569124 (OP)
>made after 90s
it was already the beginning of the end for arena shooters

>>725572223
I liked it...

>>725569124 (OP)
wdym last?
it had a great gun

>>725572123
Yeah ok guys pretend like this isn't the funniest post this thread is going to have

JUST HOLD STILL AND I'LL MAKE IT QUICK

>>725569124 (OP)
They thought they could make it into ea sportslop and release an iteration every year

>>725573340
Its not funny, its barely english.

>>725569124 (OP)
ut2k4 was massive
ut99 has fake retro fans

I'LL SWALLOW YOUR SOVL

>>725572442
RUN*

>>725573894
DIE BITCH

Double Domination fucking sucks compared to UT99's Domination.

I'm tired of pretending football mode wasn't kino.

>>725576032
>pictures you can hear

>>725569124 (OP)
No one plays either of these games

here we fucking go
https://youtu.be/BZVzoOi002s?si=OnWXbaKgQ3512Rs_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_0G6WPuss4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLgSo90JhAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bvPTxPSufs

>>725569124 (OP)
UT2004 has the best fucking vehicle designs of any game
The skorpion mogs any car

>Why didn't it last like UT99
Hardcore arena shooter enthusiasts still playing Quake 3
Wannabe hardcore competitive shooter enthusiasts playing CS1.6
Casual vehicular big team battle enthusiasts playing BF2
Casual funsies fps bros playing Halo 2

>>725572223
I've only played 3, what makes 2004 better? Real question

>>725578468
it actually has colours

>>725578468
Onslaught. 3 has Warfare, which is Onslaught + football and it sucks.
>>725578609
>ou
Do you even have electricity, bro?

>>725578674
He has electricity, but nothing else, because he's at the Pub with No Beer.

>>725569124 (OP)
It did, it was far more popular.
https://steamcharts.com/app/13230
https://steamcharts.com/app/13240
Just look at the hard proof, faggot.
>>725578082

I want to play duels or duos with someone, vanilla fighting on 2004 for so long
How can I invite /v/ to have some duels and stream/record them and make it something fun/recurrent?

Bombing Run also. The thing is that it's just a great game with awesome fun fighting.

>>725578468
Unreal Engine 2 looks and feels much better than UE 3. Also more gamemodes, more maps and tons of custom content.

>>725578468
UT3 was good but just not as good.
You have to try 2004
It has CONTENT out of the ass, with great graphics, great gameplay both in movement and weapons and game modes and one of the easiest native modding tools to do a shitton of stuff. And the OST. And the characters. And the campaign mode. And just about everything.
Seriously it has so much content, it would've been sold as DLC today.

>>725574180
sounds funny to me

>>725569124 (OP)
what happened to these games? I put hundreds of hours into both as a teenager but haven't thought about since then, never played fps after that

wasn't cliff blazinsky trying to bring back this style of shooter, but it devolved into another hero shooter?

>>725569124 (OP)
its really sad fortnite ended ut forever
like why cant someone just develop some new ut anyway
i bet as the fortnite kids grow up they would wanna play something darker like a modern ut anyway
please epic bring back ut NOW you got rich as FUCK with fortnite make an actual good game now KTHX

>>725569124 (OP)
I'd say that UT2k4 lasted about the same as UT99 but overall it was ugly
>weapons sucked, significant changes to previous weapons and no ripper
>presentation sucked, characters are ugly and wacky (MR CROOOOOW)
>music sucked, most of it is orchestral electro remixes
The only thing it did right was vehicles and gamemodes
>>725578082
This, by the time UT2k4 came out Quake 3 had already been established as THE arena shooter but once CS 1.6 became more popular the days of arena fps were over
>>725579016
This comparison makes no sense, most of old UT99 playerbase didn't even use steam to play it. Current UT99 veterans also don't play it on steam, is quite uncessesary since everything else is patched and you can just play with the .exe
t. active competitive UT99 player

>>725582265
It only doesn't make sense because it doesn't show what you want it to. You could have just proven otherwise.
https://ut99.org/servers#/utserv
https://www.gametracker.com/search/ut2k4/?sort=3&order=DESC

>>725582265
>once CS 1.6 became more popular the days of arena fps were over
reminder that CS 1.6 was created due to shitters not being good at Quake

>>725580038
>>725580347
man, this game looked fucking good
I remember playing Xonotic some... well actually quite few years ago, and it had really tight gameplay but the graphics of UT04 are just too good

>>725582685
Then why post that steamchart in the first place, it doesn't reflect the current active players. UT99 is still being played daily on private PUGs and those servers dissapear from the master list once the match is over, I'm not in any UT2k4 community but from what I've seen just a few wants to play it. For competitive UT99 is the way to go right now

>>725571912
For me, its the UT2003 menu theme. I even modded 2004 to use it instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWWpEcvNBdA

>>725583840
how toxic is the private pug community? played some other old boomer shooters and ive seen some pretty sad shit from grown adults

I ran the demo in 2005 on my shitty 99’ PC, it goes to show how well optimized this game was, it was like 15 fps, but the feeling of playing latest UT game on my Riva TNT2 was priceless

>>725584178
people still knew how to code and problem solve back then
now its just outsourced to disgusting shitskins who create problems instead of solve them
and the publisher sells their dogshit to retarded shiteaters who are still willing to pay i guess

>>725582265
>weapons sucked, significant changes to previous weapons and no ripper
The weapons feel waaay better in UT2004
>presentation sucked, characters are ugly and wacky (MR CROOOOOW)
Shit take. UT99 has great atmosphere, but the presentation in barebones. UT2003 has a great future sports presentation, and UT2004's is fine, both have superior characters to 99
>music sucked, most of it is orchestral electro remixes
Also a shit take, both games have great tracks, but 99's are a bit better.
>The only thing it did right was vehicles and gamemodes
Vehicles are dogshit and ruined the series. 99's Dom and Assault were better than 2004's, but Bombing Run was cool yea.

>>725582685
but there's literally more people playing ut99 according to these links?

>>725584104
As toxic as you'd expect for a hardcore competitive community, there's a few chill players and a few insufferable players but at the end you're there just to play, can't be bothered to fight with some randoms just because you haven't spent 4000 hours mastering the translocator on CTF. If you want to play look it up as SkyRom.com on discord

>>725569124 (OP)
op here
sorry i'm a retard and posted the wrong pic

>>725584973
That's the same game tho

bumping with content

>>725580038
i want to go back

Lower your tone when talking to me if you never played Killing Floor or Red Orchestra when they were 2K4 mods

>>725584534
Just a few weapons feel better in UT2k4 but not having the ripper immediately puts UT99 on top. The minimal presentation of UT99 is what makes it great, it does feel like a tournament between clans of humans instead of UT2k3/4 random space characters. I agree that vehicles ruined UT, just look at the flop of Gears of Tournament 3. UT99 soundtrack > everything else

>>725584973
it's the same picture

>>725569124 (OP)
minigun is broken and feels shitty to use and fight against + people would rather play tf2 quake or halo instead of a game that kinda mixes what all three games are good at without excelling in any.

even most of the people who actually stuck with this game were playing total conversion mods like RO or the earliest versions of KF

>>725584037
UT2003 theme is incredible and I don't know why it was removed for 2004. I mean the classic theme is fine but god DAMN 2003 is something that screams ESPN IN SPACE. It is on the gamefiles tho, and you can use it on maps as well.

Speaking of the OST, there's so much good tracks in there. ONS08 is one of my favorites along with Hyperblast Redux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtsVzwjKSLE

I know 99 does some things better than 2004 but 2004's movement is so much more fun that I can never go back to 99.

>DM-DE-Osiris2
>Invasion
>Online with 16+ players
Home.

>>725586018
UT99 presentation was good, but agree, the movement alone in 2004 is really fun with dodging and just the right speed, not too fast, not too slow. 99 has its place, as UT3 is more akin to 99.

UT4 was shaping to be THE definitive mix of both. It was really fun to play. So intuitive. But ultimately, they just didn't developed it further with content.

>>725586007
The 2K3 ending sequence has that gold metal ceremony vibe too, gives me the good kinda chills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5wDyHEuqY

>>725586484
>But ultimately, they just didn't developed it further with content.
it's hard to blame them for going all in on fortnite, but man, what a shame

>I waited for the PC port
>It never came

Theoretically it has been decompiled but no one cares.
It is what an actual Max Payne MP should be and it was GOOD. For real good. The only character that was OP was Malcolm because he had the Enforcers which were hitscan instead of plasma casters like Anubis (Malc was a reskin of him) but he's an unlockable.

>>725586852
love this game

>>725582134
unreal tournament in fortnite already unc.......................................................

>>725586007
UT2k3 was this kind of a weird retcon that decided to make it Roman-gladiators-in-space as opposed to the modern modern sports vibe aesthetic of UT99. Its backstory (yes, it had one) has no relation to Unreal whatsoever. Not that Unreal is an especially well-developed setting, but basically the only thing linking 2k3 continuity to UT99 is Malcolm and his two flunkies, and even they hardly resemble themselves from UT99.
Then in UT2k4 they suddenly decided to return everything back to the original Unreal continuity, but left the 2k3 stuff with the bare minimum of effort to make it fit, and sometimes not even that (like descriptions for 2k3 maps or characters that still mention the 2k3 continuity).
It was a very odd shift in aesthetics. I still wonder what brought it about, and why was it so crudely done both ways.

I play against bots lately when i'm waiting on something and it's just fun. Sadly it would be better against cheeky players doing cheeky things. Bots get predictable or plainly cheat (like the fucking Clanlord fuck you)

>>725588176
The retconned UT2003 story was the story for the Xbox Unreal Championship game which I believe was written by Digital Extremes. Epic just used what they had and then retconned it all with 2004.

>>725580514
>>725583425
fax

>>725578468
A game called "Unreal Tournament" should feature the actual tournament. If they wanted to have a storyline in an UT game, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, you can do a lot with that concept. But make it about the Tournament instead of inventing some frankly hilarious bullshit to explain why wars suspiciously resemble tournament matches now.

>>725586852
best unreal game? quite possibly. probably the best looking game on the xbox.

>>725587580
based design. i used that model in 2k4, someone ported uc2 stuff.

I don't understand why this wouldn't be huge today especially now that esports are the biggest they have ever been.

Why cant indie games look as good as 2004? it looks so clean and crisp without sacrificing ambience or anti soul gas
But every indie game tries to emulate "retro" shooters and do abortions like DUSK, not even Quake looks as bad as that one

>>725580038
>>725580347
there's no reason for video games to look better than this.

>>725589308
I am convinced that a standalone game about just Bombing Run could work as a F2P game

>>725582134
still mad they cancelled unreal tournament 4, as it was crowdsourced there was practically no cost for epic anyway. imagine what could've been. even the original composers were showing interest. FUCK

>>725589345
I wish we could have gorgeous alien skyboxes again, Unreal's still look amazing to this day.
>>725589552
The fact that it was crowdsourced shows how little of a shit Epic gave in the first place.

ut2004 is literally the only game i had to stop myself from playing
once you get map mixer working and 200+ fucking maps its infinite play value

It may seem weird, but I remember being a little disappointed when I first tried UT2004 after I'd been playing 99 for years
>Ammo capacity massively nerfed, going from 50 to 25 or 30 for most weapons
>Weapons weaker in general, stuff like being able to fire 6 rockets/grenades at a time nerfed
>Hated having to double tap to dodge and wished it had a dedicated button
>Didn't really care for the relics or whatever those buff items were called

>>725590350
this is what mutators are for
you can tweak literally everything

>>725585889
i like unreal, but it does kinda feel gimmicky with unique weapons and dodging. especially in 2k4 with the further emphasis on jump/dodge, unique modes, unique vehicles that mimic the weapons, etc.

it sits in a weird space between competitively viable and accessible fun. like you said, ut (especially 2k4) is an odd mix that ends up feeling a bit off, and everything it goes for is done better/more refined elsewhere. at the same time, nothing does it like ut.

they shoved a lot of unique stuff into the series, from modes to weapons, and it was ultimately to its detriment i think. ut was as much a platform as it was a game.

>>725590350
>>Hated having to double tap to dodge and wished it had a dedicated button
One of the best things UT4 had it was that shift+move was instant dodge jump, and worked with walls as well, and it just worked so perfectly, along with weapon wheel and the minimalist hud around the crosshair

>>725590350
>Hated having to double tap to dodge
What do you mean? You can also dodge in UT99 if you double tap

>>725569124 (OP)
Basically took a super computer to run at the time. Plus UT has always been like the Temu version of Quake, it has always had that vibe.

That kid who set all graphics settings to the max even though your computer cant handle it just to hear the game swear

>>725588312
I've been playing MW2 with bots/players from time to time and honestly I'm finding that with what little spare time I do have that I am returning to it more and more instead of the two $80 and $40 games I just splurged on recently.

>>725569124 (OP)
Vehicles were a retarded addition. I think they were trying to catch the Halo success but at that point arena shooter were on the way out anyway.

>>725591742
Sounds like social isolation and depression

>>725591583
nigga what? that shit could run on anybody's family computer since it was pre shader model 3
killing floor mod on the other hand I had to play at 640x480 low settings to get a playable framerate

Half of the weapons were completely shit though. Everyone just used flak, rocket launcher or lightning gun.
>but muh shock rifle
Yeah they are either a tryhard kiddie or some jaded boomer with like 1k+ hrs in the game and can shock combo tap you from across the map.

>>725569124 (OP)
UT was for retards and little kids who suck at quake and don't want to learn. Halo filled that niche and 2004 was an attempt to catch up to it.

>>725581802
brown and bloom slopshooters took over

>>725592095
It often dipped into the 40s on a Radeon 9800. Tokara Forest was basically unplayable.

I mean, yeah, it *ran*, but it wasn't a good experience. We were all running 120hz CRTs at the time.

>>725591975
just a diagnosed assburger. work 40-60 a week, make dinner when I get home and spend time together, maybe get like 1-2 hours a night to play something so it's usually something short I can hop onto.. just saw a post about iw4x the other night and downloaded out of curiosity and high school-me is hooked, that's all

>>725569124 (OP)
Soul....
No disgusting microtransaction garbage to ruin the quality of the game
I miss that era

>>725586484
>definitive mix of both
That's how you fail. You can't please everyone, people want one of the extremes not the middle ground that excels at nothing.

>>725591212
Are you sure that wasn't added in a mutator? I don't remember doing it, and I don't remember seeing bots do it. It could be that it was just a lot more useful in UT2004 and you had to use it to be competitive.

>>725593613
You can disable double tap to dodge in the options in UT99, but it's on by default.

>>725581719
i always kinda hated how all the maps are scaled so that players are like 4 inches tall and the guns have shittastic sound and impacts

>>725593775
Good sound design in general seems to have rapidly become a borderline lost art after the 90's. UT isn't even the worst example, that would Starcraft 2.

>>725593613
It's on the settings, there's whole community gamemode based around it called bunnytrack, just pure movement and dodge
>and I don't remember seeing bots do it.
Bots dodge if you play on higher difficulties, starting from Masterful
>>725593770
I have the original UT99 CD and when you install it for some reason dodging is disabled by default, I can understand people not knowing it's a feature

The worst feature of UT99 is the screen flashes when you get hit, which you can disable only by changing engine settings. You can see it by typing "properties" on the console

I have it downloaded and I check servers occasionally, usually all bots. makes me depressed.

>>725596203
True chads play UT99

>>725596109
That explains it then. I had the original CD version and don't remember ever turning dodging on because I didn't know what it did.

>>725569124 (OP)
>why didn't it last
It lasted for quite a while and was uber popular. A definite upgrade from the half-assed release of UT2K3. Though the newer additions to the game like Onslaught felt like it was trying to piggyback on Battlefield 1942/Vietnam/Halo's success more then anything. Still fun, just prefer CTF and Deathmatch for my arena shooters the most.
Also the game has aged like fine wine in terms of looks. It was stunning to witness in 04, but at the sametime kept the player models simple and not uncanny messes like say Farcry or Doom 3. Shame Epic shat on it, removed it from stores, and didn't give it a F2P remaster or something. Though they have redirected people from their website to download the OG game, UT99, and Unreal 2 from a fan site (https://oldunreal.com/downloads/). Not sure why UT2K4 and UT3 aren't on that list either.

>>725597920
I failed to mention that Digital Extreme was main reason why Unreal games were so good. CliffyB is a gloat hog but when you look at all the major releases, it was a co-development between Epic and DE. It may be the reason why Epic has sort of distance themselves from everything outside of UT3. Though they also made Unreal Championship 2, which was a proto-hero shooter on the OG Xbox. Shame that never got ported. I'm sure Nightdive has BEGGED them personally countless times to remaster their games, with Tim being a stuckup autistic refusing every single time.

>>725571982
>FROM THE MAKERS OF GEARS OF WAR
I remember the trailer for that game and I knew it was the end of Unreal when that came onto the screen. Even went as far to add that quote to the box art for the 360 release.

>>725597920
>removed it from stores
Why the fuck would they do this? All the servers are community-run.

>>725600609
While previous games were handed by Digital Extremes with help of Epic, UT3 was developed entirely by Epic and it bombed hard and Tim is mad about it to this day.

>>725584037
>>725586007
I had no idea at the time that the UT2003 theme was supposed to be like NFL, which makes sense considering the proto-Gears of War character designs and the Bombing Run mode.

>>725601364
>UT3 was developed entirely by Epic and it bombed hard
That sucks, I enjoyed it. The main problem with it was that it was 32 bit, and 4 GB of memory wasn't enough for adding any new content.

>>725601538
They leaned heavy into future sports vibes in UT2k3 and you can see in the in-engine intro cutscene how it's treated like American wrestling.

>as-convoy
yep, its gaming time