Thread 725656108

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU3ru09HTng&t=15s
STEAM FRAME USES A WINDOWS TRANSLATION LAYER (FEX) SO YOU CAN PLAY X86 GAMES NATIVELY
STEAM WON
STEAM FUCKING WOOOOOOOOOOON

>includes paid promotion
kys linus

>VR shit

when will they learn

>>725656108 (OP)
>camera based tracking
>better
really?
wireless might make it worth it though

You better thank me, I bought a beyond 2 a couple months ago so this could happen

I guess I'll wait for Quest 4

>the headset is also a pc
how do its specs compare to the deck's?

>Index EOL
I didn't use it much beyond HL:A. How much could I get for it bros?

>>725658026
just undercut the lowest price

i waited for too long with my vive and now it is junk

>>725657801
Yeah upon actually reviewing what this can do, it seems worse than the quest 3

>>725658026
You paid $1000 to play a single game?

>>725656108 (OP)
STEAM LOST
MICROSOFT WON

>>725658026
they're abandoning the index already?
guess i'll pick one up for cheap after everyone sells it to see what i missed out on over the years.

>>725657801
Didn't meta gut their vr department?

what's the point?

>>725660661
everyone is laying off their employees, quietly replacing them with H1Bs and blaming AI automation

>IPD 60-70
nice, not going to be tempted to dump more money on a new dust collector

>>725656108 (OP)
Steam is going to kill
>Apple
>Meta
>Microsoft

GABEN WON

>>725656108 (OP)
How does it compare with Quest 3?

>wireless connection to PC
If thats the only way to play games on PC it is a massive fuck up

it's vr only vrchat gooners care
have fun i guess

>>725661663
it has eye trackingfor vrchat, but quest3 has better apps, PC VR software is dead

>>725661663
resolution is pretty much almost the same
The pancake lenses are the same shit too
framerate is between 72-144 hz .. supposedly who knows if it'll reach those high hz's
The only true advancement over quest 3 is built-in eyetracking. Is that gonna help with FPS/ performance? maybe.
As a Quest 3 owner too, this is just very meh overall. Bigscreen beyond 2 at least is much lighter and has even higher resolution than all this shit

>>725661404
>IPD 60-70
Damn that sucks.

IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING I'LL FINALLY UPGRADE MY QUEST 2 WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>725662340
retard, only reason to buy VR is for VR porn

>>725663003
quest3 has better media players for vr porn

>>725660510
Presumably any new games they may make for the frame will work for the index.

>>725663152
Heresphere VR is the best and its on Steam

I just don't see the point.
>Monochrome so no passthrough.
>No Alyx 2
>Resolution isn't great.
>Colour range isn't great.
I was expecting this to suck my cock ngl

>>725663851
You can apparently swap out the lenses for color ones.

I’m honestly fine with the decision if it reduces upfront cost

I think it'll come down to how much you still care about PCVR and how good the wireless is.

>>725657805
>>the headset is also a pc
Is it possible to output to a monitor/TV as well? so my friends can do VR porn with me

>>725663851
VR isn't lacking in great choices right now. if all of these things means they can ship it out for less than their competitors to increase the userbase for VR then i'm fine with it.
if you want to spend a thousand bucks on a vr headset, just buy one that already exists.

>>725661404
>>725662571
Sorry sidbros

>>725664483
I expected more. As a Valve drone, I expected more than the Quest 2.5.

>>725656108 (OP)
my index is collecting dust so i might sell it for a frame but this just seems like an upgraded quest 3 for mobile shitters???

>>725656108 (OP)
>announce cool things
>no release date
>no price
>no way to actually get the thing
This is how hype dies

I want one
>no tracking turrets
>no cables
>being able to sit in the backyard and play my PC games
>more comfortable porn
I want one now

what's the best headset that doesn't require a facebook account?

>>725664691
>upgraded
The specs are substantially worse than Quest 3

>VR controllers with no hand/wrist strap of any kind
>This from the company whose previous VR controls had both
It has the fingertrackers still built in, but how are you even supposed to open your hand without dropping this.

>>725656108 (OP)
Windows...Is...Dead...

>>725664918
I'm guessing an accessory they haven't shown

>>725664918
They're selling the straps separately.

>>725665130
the accessory is literally shown in the video in the OP

>>725665201
Tell him not me

>>725664918
i still think the psvr2 controllers have a really good design approach that more VR controllers should have that style

>bought a quest 3 earlier this year and barely used it
fuck man... you think this means we'll get more GOOD vr games at least?

>>725660510
>they're abandoning the index already?
Anon, it's been over 6 years

>>725665130
They showed them in the Giant Bomb video, they'll be available at launch. No idea what they will cost, though.

>>725665310
Considering this thing is weaker than a quest 3, lol no

>>725665310
It'll never happen anon
The barrier to entry means the market will always be niche, and barely anyone's gonna invest that much into making good shit for it, let alone people with the resources to actually accomplish it

>>725665310
This thing is weaker than a Quest 3 with worse... everything. I'm hoping there will be some big thing that'll push it.

>the fat fuck is trying to sell Quest 2.5 for 800 bucks
LMAO

>>725665310
Nobody knows how to make good VR games except Valve, some AAs and a handful of indies who have had nearly a decade to cook

>>725664825
you can already do most of this shit with a quest 3 ya tard.
Sure maybe not in a damn backyard but still, with a dedicated router you can do all dat.

Virtual desktop does everything the frame does on a quest 3

>>725664836
bigscreen beyond 2.
It's mega lightweight and higher res than the quest 3 and even this new Frame shit.
But it does have cables and needs light houses...
Or if you really need wireless, theres those Pimax new 50 ppd headsets that just came out and have super high resolution but they are still quite bulky

>>725665449
>weaker than a quest 3
>>725665559
>This thing is weaker than a Quest 3 with worse... everything
No it isn't dumbasses. The quest is a cell phone

>>725664860
For example?

I mean you're definitely not just being brown and making things up, right?

>>725665941
ALVR does the same but free
Don't know why people are still paying the VD Jew, it's just a myth at this point that VD streams better

>>725665449
>>725665559
>Considering this thing is weaker than a quest 3, lol no
How is the frame actually weaker than the Quest 3? it's got almost the same resolution and framerate target range...
is the chip or whatever inside it really that bad?

>>725658512
TRY STREAMING PCVR INTO YOUR META GARBAGE 3 YOU FUCKING NIGGER

>>725665449
SD8 Gen 3 is ~50% faster than XR2 Gen 2. It also has way more RAM. It also has heat pipes and cooling for up to 20 watts instead of one dinky little fan.

Why is everyone in these threads so fucking brown?

Zuckjeets crashing out rn

>>725656108 (OP)
OH MI GOD I CANT WAIT TO PLAY WITH FAGS!

>>725666297
nta but it's missing the whole mixed reality part of Quest 3, passthrough is black and white and low res. Dunno about the chip
>>725666346
People do that all the time, now try streaming on Frame. Oh right you can't, you just have to beLIEve that it works better, no specifics though

>no oled
yawn

>>725656108 (OP)
>STEAM FRAME USES A WINDOWS TRANSLATION LAYER (FEX)
FEX is an x86 to ARM emulation layer for Linux.
The Windows game compatibility comes from Proton.

>>725666730
>but it's missing the whole mixed reality part of Quest 3, passthrough is black and white and low res.
Dont really care about either... those are just meme-tier nonsense.
Mixed reality on the quest 3 still looks like garbage cause the camera is extreeeemely low grainy quality trash from the 90s, unironically.
real VR games is what matters here...

>>725661663
>>725662375
only really unique thing is you can play PC games but you'll be pretty much stuck to low end games, and the monochrome passthrough which is very disappointing. the only edge over quest 3 is eye tracking with foveated encoding which will give you a bit of a better picture. like there's no way in hell it's worth it if it's going to cost $800. they have to be hitting $500-$600 for it to be competitive with the quest 3.

>>725665941
Nope, VD and Airlink all have judder because of a fundamental limitation. No matter how beefy your router is or how close you are to it you will get judder on a stream above 100kbps if you move your head. It also does happen randomly.
This happens because the Quest is garbage for wireless VR, it wasn't designed for it, it uses the same wireless signal for internet and for streaming and it doesn't foveate.

With the Frame you can get away with a much lower bitrate by rendering a very small window at a high quality because of the foveated rendering AND you get a wireless connection and antenna that ONLY handles the streaming and nothing else. So you can get away with a 100kbps stream that's high quality and judder free. See? You're a fucking stupid nigger kill yourself.

>>725666730
Read this nigger retard >>725666980

Dumb question, flat screen gaming shit doable on the index too, yeah? I'm not gonna have to do the stupid shit where I Steam Link it to myself, right?

>>725666756
They’re clearly targeting poor fags with everything they announced today.

>>725656108 (OP)
>too front heavy
>no index headphones
>shitty controllers
>shitty resolution
if they sell this for more than 300 bucks it's a scam

>>725656108 (OP)
I dont get it. Beyond normal VR experiences they said they want people to play 2d games on it but why would anyone put on a headset to plat a flat game when they could just use their monitor or tv?

>>725666756
absurd how oled fags think it's the definitive panel tech when it has more flaws than benefits

>>725665315
He means the brand stupid.

>>725668163
Because in VR you can play games on the moon with a 10000 inch screen

>>725668343
a 1000 inch screen at a distance where it fits into your field of view is no different than a large TV. Its kind of disappointing they didn't come up with some solution to turn 2d games into 3d frames

>>725668215
I mean, despite its flaws it's still better than anything else currently available

>>725668163
portable because the screen comes with you and like that guy said you can simulate having a much bigger screen than you actually have.
having to move your setup across different rooms in your house is annoying enough and being able to just play your games outside on your patio on a nice day is probably underrated.

>>725668215
lsd displays literally have no soul

With this in the picture, what is now the best headset for VRchat for player expression?

>>725656108 (OP)
Don't like the controllers.
No buttons on the left hand. Just a D-pad.
And no top strap on the headset. Does it support 3rd party straps?
And what's that wire running to the back of the headset?
Not to mention $1200.

What's the advantage over the Quest?
Why would anyone pay 4 times as much for this?

>>725664918
Why would they put all 4 buttons on one hand?

>>725670017
where did you see that it was $1200?

>>725670208
I saw someone post that somewhere. I might be mistaken.

>>725670514
The GN video says it won't be more expensive than the Index.

Any reason to buy this if I already have an Index? The extra resolution seems nice but I don't really mind the picture quality on the Index in practice. Eye tracking would be nice for VRChat I guess, but you can mod an Index to have full face tracking already. I've never had a good experience "streaming" games, so I kind of wish it had the option to be hooked up to my PC like the Index

I'll scoop up a used Q3 on the cheap when this thing gets released.

>>725670017
>Just a D-pad.
they have a mentally ill fetish for useless shit like this
all their controllers are extremely retarded then a new one comes along and copies something meta did 5 years ago but is extremely retarded still

>>725670083
Because that's how controllers do it? They're not just a Knuckles replacement, they're also designed if you run flatscreen in your VR for whatever reason.

>>725664918
me when i paint my nails red

>>725656108 (OP)
>Monochrome passthrough
>Shit headstrap
>All-in-one controllers instead of just going with more minimal VR designs that can also be used with handtracking or to just hold normal controllers that everyone already has,
I'm just going to continue waiting for this to fill out some more I guess. Maybe they'll publish open standards for enthusiasts to contribute to their ecosystem instead of gating it like they did their lighthouses, so that people can actually put out new VR peripherals that don't need you to duct tape a VR controller to them for tracking.
>>725666285
WiVRN is also pretty neat.
>>725671434
And controllers doing it that way is almost entirely a holdover from the fucking SNES of all things.
It's super retarded.
>they're also designed if you run flatscreen in your VR for whatever reason.
But then it's even stupider, because it'd be better to design the controller so you can use an arbitrary peripheral like a flight stick or keyboard simultaneously.
Autistic VR chat controllers are more intelligent than this.
They're even putting out a new all-in-one controller in the form of the SC2, which explicitly has VR tracking.

>>725666001
Doesn't have controllers so it's not really an option. Really expensive as well.

>>725657805
it uses a snapdragon 8 gen 3 which is like 75% of the deck's zen 2
ram is the same, 16gb ddr5

>>725662375
I want it for the ability to run steam games natively without the need for an obnoxious cable strapped to my head or a wireless option that relies on NASA internet.

>>725666001
>bigscreen beyond 2
How does it compare to Crystal Super Micro or the Play for Dream?
I just want the best screen possible

>>725672908
>so that people can actually put out new VR peripherals that don't need you to duct tape a VR controller to them for tracking.
they literally did that you idiot

>>725673301
so noticeably weaker than the deck, but still fairly impressive for being shoved into a headset. interesting

ngl I wish they came with oled screens

>>725674162
I'm praying it will be like the Deck and they'll release an OLED upgrade

Wonder if there'll be a headphones upgrade.

>>725656108 (OP)
What's the catch? This looks way too good. No need for a monitor anymore. Controllers are perfect for any PC game. It's even lightweight and not crap like the quest.

>>725674841
>No need for a monitor anymore
resolution is not goose enough for that

>>725674841
LCD screen panels and straps sold separately, plus while it's capable of sideloading Android APKs, you still obviously need solid baseline hardware to stream from.

>>725668163
with a VR headset you can lay flat on your bed and play 2D games

>>725674841
>whats the catch
its VR. VR has been a meme for a decade already

I would like all 3 but it depends. Im unsure if I want the controller if I dont get the steam machine but it would still be nice if its not too expensive. The steam machine price will be the make or break for it. I can connect my PC to my TV but it would be cool to have a dedicated one thats always connected. If its like $400 I'd honestly heavily consider it but I think it will be more than that. If the VR headset is more comfortable/slip off my head less/easier to jork with and is $500 or less ill day 1 buy.

>>725675136
The only people who say this are people who have zero interest in VR in the first place.

>>725675059
>solid baseline hardware
Wonder if a game like Alyx will run off the headset itself or if it'll need to be connected to a PC/Gabecube.
This does look like it'll run games like Beat Saber just fine on its own though.

>>725656108 (OP)
compatibility layers are really fucking cool and i'm glad valve is investing so much time and money into this shit.

>>725656108 (OP)
>lcd
>no oled
>shot fov
>2k res
the fuck is valve doing

>>725675501
making affordable entry level normieslop

>>725675449
he called it a windows translation layer for some reason even though its basically just x86 emulator for linux / mac
valve might unironically get ahead of windows with ARM gaming at this pace

>>725675279
yeah and I wonder why? Because most VR stuff is pedo furry stuff

>>725675689
i guess a lot of their steam for chromebook shit helped this, even though google dropped it eventually

>>725675569
I don't blame him for this anymore. What was the wife of a gay looking midget going to end up looking like in all honesty.

>>725675806
And the only people who say THIS are people who don't even bother to look at what VR games actually exist. So good job on being twice the dumb ignorant nigger.

we have x86 at home
seriously tho I am not seething. bigscreen beyond is still better despite annoying things like no buttons no passthrough

>expected to be priced just below Index 700-800 bucks
WTF, it's a sidegrade to Q3, if it's not 500 bucks it's not competitive. 600 would be pushing it

>>725675937
muh tariffs

>>725675909
Why is this so fucking hard?

>>725675820
its actually more about the Asahi Linux project that started ARM Linux gaming. Asahi Linux being basically linux distribution that was ported to Apple M2 by a guy who streams as a female vtuber. Reverse enginereed Apple drivers who do freaky shit.

that stared the push towards ARM emulation and through those results and when Linus Torvalds himself installed it Valve probs started funding related projects that users started developing after it became possible to run high graphics in ARM
https://github.com/FEX-Emu/FEX
this emulator is what Valve is using
https://github.com/alyssarosenzweig
this guy is on their pay list

>>725656108 (OP)
>too expensive for the kids/poor and and not good enough for the richs
I've seen some flops in my days but this will take the cake.

>>725675569
kill yourself

>>725675820
>>725676181
https://rosenzweig.io/blog/aaa-gaming-on-m1.html
more about this if you are interested

>>725676184
These retards actually think people want to play flat games in VR and are willing to pay extra to run them locally. Never mind that when you run something on the headset it gets hot and noisy and makes you wish you just streamed the game from PC instead

>>725676181
>>725676380
Thanks bros. This is interesting stuff, even as someone who is only a Steam Deck/Linux tinkerer and the implications are pretty far reaching.

>>725665575
>800 bucks
SOLD! i still haven't gotten into VR and didn't want to rely on facebook hardware

>>725675569
he's a retarded lefty but he deserves praise for not going for a trophy wife and sticking with one that carried him when he was at his lowest

>>725665575
>>725676558
yeah but more like $1199.

>>725676558
You can just buy Pico then.
>inb4 nooo I want to give tribute to my god Gaben
yeah you're the target audience then

>>725656108 (OP)
Has anyone considered that the tech they use to render high res where you are looking with eyetracking in VR (and make it low quality around the edges) could be possibly sold as an individual hardware eye tracker for standard PC gaming to reduce graphics requirements and give a huge performance boost to framerates for low-end hardware?

>>725676651
What about Bigscreen beyond?

>>725676502
I just like that Valve is actually funding open source and these things will be open and for everyone to use. Valve only gives the hardware, the store and SteamOS which is just modified open source project

>>725656108 (OP)
Will this be a worthwhile upgrade over the index? Ever since i moved i haven't touched mine because i can't be bothered to set up the boxes and cables. Getting rid of all that is already a big plus but the controllers look like a downgrade, i don't like wands.

>>725676634
>£913
sometimes i love being br*tish

>>725676704
That's not standalone, it's wired only. Only wireless options are quest and pico really, and steam frame. Unless you're a fat ass simulationtard you probably don't won't to be tethered in the year 2026

>>725673301
>>725673950
No actually SD8 Gen 2 is ~30% faster than Steam Deck and SD8 Gen 3 is about 30-50% faster than that.

>>725676772
But the wands have full finger tracking. They are designed to be compatible with the VR ecosystem.

>Desktop: KDE/Plasma
wow this really was designed by trannies

He's such a fucking shill holy shit.

>>725676981
Yeah half of the people coving this are acting as if it's competing with Quest 2 and Quest 2 costs a thousand dollars

>>725676971
thats gnome

>>725656108 (OP)
>foviated rendering
>wireless
>updated vr desktop
That's pretty much everything I wanted.
The controllers are meh and I hope they add a strap.

>>725677086
>foviated rendering
no its foviated streaming. you still have to render everything at full resolution.

>>725676938
I just don't like having to hold them all the time, i prefer the old ones with the bands since it felt more natural that way.

>>725665575
>>725676634
They're shooting for less than Index pricing. The Index is $500.

>>725677073
KDE do the same shit with virtue-signalling "look how anti-Bryan Lunduke we are" that the fags at GNOME do. They're all Marxist troons.

>>725656108 (OP)
>people tape over their laptop webcams but will willingly use camera based tracking
hahaha

>>725677256
It launched at 1k though didn't it? I think they meant launch pricing not current pricing. We'll see I guess, if it's 400 bucks, they win. I doubt it though

I've been meaning to get a VR headset for simracing. Glad I didn't buy Quest 3.
>foveated rendering
Very nice, this is the feature I was looking for, if I can turn off the right lense then it's even better. I won't have to upgrade my gpu.

what the hell is this black and brown thing?

>>725677394
>if I can turn off the right lense then it's even better
This nibba doesn't have an eye

>>725677401
it's a pikmin 2 reference

>>725677401
ancient technology that once powered society before they put walkmans INSIDE of phones, the madmen

>>725677453
I do have both eyes, but one can't see jack shit.

>>725677343
The bundle is $1000, meaning headset + lighthouses + controllers. Hard to say if Valve meant that they'll price Frame under only the HMD or the bundle. Lighthouses are pretty expensive so it would make sense that Frame is cheaper than the bundle at the very least.

>>725656108 (OP)
>quest 3 clone with worse display

lol
lmao
wtf is valve thinking

>>725677214
Oh, that's bad.
Hope they adapt it to do foviated rendering soon.
It's essential with how demanding VR is.

>>725656108 (OP)
BASED BASED BASED BASED
X86 EMULATION IS THE FUTURE

LOOK ON ANDROIDEMULATION SUBREDDIT. FULL PC GAMES RUN ON ANDROID ALREADY!!!

the whole kit was always $1000.
this new things will also be $1000.

>>725666980
>>725667037
So basically it's only superior when you play wireless. And it has the same shitty LCD lenses. Lol.

>>725664549
Almost no one has an IPD over 70 but below 60 is still like 10-20% of the population, more than that for women but who gives a shit.

>>725673301
The RAM might be a problem since x86 emulation uses a ton of ram.

>>725666980
>repeats valve press release
>see??? it works!!
Yeah I don't see shit so far. They say it's 10 times better but they haven't shown anything to prove it yet. Sorry I'm not part of your religion I don't blindly believe everything the fat fuck says

>>725656108 (OP)
where are the Interacial Tips

This thing is going to be +1k at launch.
And i'm a poorfag, so not for me.

>>725675569
LMAO

>>725675848
>>725676297
>>725676617
Reminder Linus Tech Tips is a Jewish freemason that supports mass immigration, white genocide, mandatory vaccination, and trooning out kids.

Also all his good hosts left because he's a faggot.

>>725676981
Sir we need more Indians to make the pencils at the factory

>>725674841
Can it display your desktop? Can I run photoshop and draw on a tablet while using this? I thought it was strictly for steam

>>725658512
Where is the Quest 3's eye tracking with foveated rendering and 6ghz wireless PCVR streaming? Stupid nigger.

>>725678486
It's made for streaming games so it can certainly stream your desktop. I doubt the resolution is good enough for a monitor like experience. Probably plenty to lay in bed and watch video.

>>725678505
>6ghz wireless PCVR streaming
Q3 has that lmao. I use it to stream 500mbps on Virtual desktop.
Face it, the only thing the Steam Frame has going for it is eye tracking, and barely anything supports it. If this thing costs more than $500 than it's DOA.

>>725666730
>now try streaming on Frame
I don't understand the mindset of anti-shills like you. Do you just not trust anything Valve says? Or did you just not read in the press info that Valve claims the Steam Frame is designed for PC streaming first, rather than standalone first?

>>725678431
What is the flag in the bottom right?

>>725656108 (OP)
But can i play chromium based games without shitting itself? That's my one final major nit to pick with Steam Deck.

>>725678707
>Q3 has that lmao
Link to the adapter
>>725678707
>and barely anything supports it
Foveated rendering is done by the hardware stupid faggot

>this is how they're showing spatial cumputting on Frame
>passthrough is actually black and white so it looks nothing like it
Fat lying sack of shit

>>725678332
He also says adblockers are piracy

>>725678802
give example of that kind of like game

>>725656108 (OP)
Fuck. I really want it.

>>725678708
>Do you just not trust anything Valve says
Yeah I don't. They said streaming quality will be 10 times better due to foveated streaming. Yeah right, I'll be able to see 16 times the detail in Fallout 4 that much better. Bullshit, foveated rendering didn't boost FPS 10x so why would foveated streaming have a 10x effect?

>>725656108 (OP)
>GAAAAAABE
>GAAAAAAAAAAAAABE
>MAKE INDEX 2 GAAAABE
>decimates the compitition
>DAMN YOU GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABE

>>725679038
I don't get it, why? It's a basic side grade
Feels like VR is stagnanted

>>725678794
Oh it's the masonic flag. Explain why this is bad without christfag tier schizophrenia please.

>>725678914
He's saying to call a spade a spade not that you shouldn't use it.

>>725679176
i don't care for bricks

how long before all the youtube shills admit it's trash?
1 week? 2?

>>725678924
A lot of pretty fucking great smut games, in particular anything by Circle-Tetuka.

>>725679232
impossible for a man of taste to know, as it would require one to watch youtubers

>>725679178
Adblocking isn't piracy though

>>725679289
so these are just android games? this will run android applications 100%

>>725679231
t. tornado alley kindling house

>>725679525
feeding the tornados bricks only makes them stronger

>>725679304
then why do you reply to me weirdo?
and we all know you are a loser like everybody in this thread, don't pretend.

>>725679178
Advertisers don't have a right to inject Spyware into my browser.

>>725679176
>explain why jews trying to troon out kids as a form of satan worship is bad without Christfag schizophrenia please
Shut up faggot

I don't want to strap video games to my face and I hate the antichrist

>>725679707
>then why do you reply to me weirdo?
saars kindly why are you the replying of me

>>725656108 (OP)
>play x86 games on ARM natively
Unironically the best part, if their FEX+Proton combo can do it at good enough performance.
Could see a big surge in handhelds.

i want to strap video games to my face and i hate the antichrist

>>725677726
foviated rendering depends on the dev also most vr headsets don't have eyetracking so it's chicken/egg problem. who knows, maybe steam frame will be enough to push for foviated rendering on pc.

>>725679713
lmao. my grandfather was a freemason. all he did was go to local meetings and do charity work. you christfags are completely braindead. whipped into a frenzy by stupid chuuni larpers like aleister crowley

Oh finally, thank fuck. Facebook, kill yourself NOW.

>>725656108 (OP)
HMD looks good.
Controllers, not so much. I'd prefer the old indexes.

>>725657146
how is the B2 anyway? I've been hovering the Buy button for months.

>>725679842
this is of course just marketing stuff but herre
https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/mjohnson/2025/11/6/twist-our-arm64-heres-the-latest-crossover-preview
this was this month and they claim 120 fps on cyberpunk

can't wait to play the best VR game ever on my steam frame(tm)

>>725679943
Oh you're a retarded faggot defending Jewish pedophiles. Got it.

>>725680293
i said without christfag schizophrenia you fucking nutcase. i bet anton lavey larping with the left hand keeps you up at night.

>>725679943
>his grand dad didnt love him as much as the boy he married during one of those 'local meetings'
Sucks to suck, I guess.

>>725656108 (OP)
What did they win? Such an irritating meme, won what, you fucking idiot?

>>725679064
>foveated rendering didn't boost FPS 10x so why would foveated streaming have a 10x effect?
The 10x is about streaming bandwidth, specifically fitting a certain effective bitrate into the USB 2.0 max bandwidth, not frame rate.

So if you have a high end pc, you won't get to utilize its power? Or is this headset good enough where that doesn't really matter? I don't know much about vr stuff

>>725681221
if you have a high end pc that you want to offload the processing to, then you should get an index. if you want a standalone you can use in places other than being tethered to your pc, then you get the frame

>>725681221
It's designed for use with a desktop, but also has a secondary standalone mode.

>>725681221
it's like the steam deck, where you can play games on it by itself, or stream from your PC

>>725681221
it can do both

>>725681350
I don't agree with this recommendation. They are very different devices. Yes the index is better for hard-core PC VR, but this has plenty of benefits the index doesn't.

>>725681040
the VR standalone wars
consoles are dead, now gamers fight over headsets

>>725656569

When will YOU learn, homotronic fagbot? You repeatedly said it'd be dead by now, yet it's still chugging along.

>>725677401
some kind of unc tech like the save icon fr

>>725656108 (OP)
Okay so there are literally 0 vr games worth a damn so…?

>>725681810
"worth playing" is subjective. Alien, Alyx, and Iron Rebellion are all pretty cool and worth playing imo.

>>725681810
Beat Saber alone is worth it. Your fat ass needs the exercise.

>>725681535
Yeah that's what kind of has me stuck, I'd really like to use the full performance of my pc, but the convenience parts of the frame sound really cool and less of a hassle to someone like me who never had vr (no base stations required, bunch of wires everywhere)

>>725681350
NTA but I really wanna play Alyx but couldn’t justify paying so much for a capable PC and the Index

I thought the Frame would be a cheaper entry point into VR since so much has happened technology wise from 2019.
Is the Index seriously still good in current year? No other VR manufacturers have beat it and are just chasing the underpowered mobile-slop tech I presume?

>>725681040
Won the console war, the handheld war, and the VR war.

>>725661663
same

>>725682479
true
but the war is not over yet

>>725682218
If I was you I'd go with the valve frame. It's higher resolution than the index and wireless. The only possible downsides are a wire for charging, and inside out tracking isn't as precise as lighthouses for super close up stuff. It still works fine in 95%+ of cases due to the gyroscope and accelerometer.

>>725682472
the industry shifted hard to standalones once it became apparent you could do it. Niche PC Gaming Accessory is too small of a category for most companies to pursue

>>725666980
Air link sucks. I only trust ALVR and steam link. Even then ALVR always gives me better results due to it's non retard proof setup of being able to fine tune it all

>>725656108 (OP)
>translation layer from Windows to Linux
>second translation layer from Intel to ARM
How can this possibly run well for something as latency sensitive as VR? Do SteamVR games even work well on Linux now?

>>725656108 (OP)
How's the latency on the wireless streaming?
Might actually consider getting this if it can actually play basically any VR game I could run on my PC without lagging to shit.

>>725682841
Ironically wired is absolute garbage for VR and wireless is and has been the standard for a while. For some reason, the wired that's implemented is too slow for high quality streaming in VR.

>>725675059
Holy shit, Flappy Bird VR is possible?

>>725682841
It's going to be very good because it uses a direct USB dongle to headset 6ghz wifi link with formated rendering to improve bandwidth efficiency.

Ok but how much is the "headset is also pc" gonna add extra cost and weight to it? I'd rather it to not be pc.

>>725682841
They specifically addressed it, comes with a wireless attachment that apparently is supposed to have extremely good performance in that department. That said me caveman and me no understand hardware so they could also be lying out of their ass.

>translation layer
Okay sure that's all well and good but I'm more interested in PLAYING THEM NATIVE BY CONNECTING IT TO MY GODDAMN COMPUTER. I don't want to run everything ON the mobile phone SoC (even now that its a Linux OS and now Meta spying on you), but rather it just need to receive stuff wired or wireless - preferably both - from my PC. I don't mind connecting with a big giant fuck you long cable for output if it means I'm dealing with a 5090 or 9070XT GPU and a 7950X3D (or if they make that 9950X3D2 ) CPU, 64GB of RAM etc rendering and running the game instead of a tiny Snapdragon.

>>725683023
wireless latency is such a mystery. if I plug my ds4 into my comp with usb, it gets a solid 10ms of delay, but if I swap to bt it's like 1-3ms, which is wild. that being said, I will NEVER use a wireless mouse, fuck you

>>725683094
>extra cost
this is really the biggest issue right now
>weight
testers are saying it's one of the most comfortable they tried. and from it's specs, the front part is only 180 grams. with the battery in the back it's 480 grams.

>>725677940
and then fags wonder why theres only gay men in vrchat

>>725682716
>Do SteamVR games even work well on Linux now?
that has nothing to do with it
its also translation from x86 to ARM and then windows syscalls to linux syscalls and then linux x86 syscalls to arm syscalls

and you are most likely gonna stream games from the VR and not use the hardware on anything but simple stuff

and the ARM translation isnt really slow since its not doing it on the spot and its gonna have similar performance as proton / wine performance but maybe with more bugs and glitches and stuff. On principle the translation wont give overhead since GPU stuff is done natively.

>>725673685
>wireless option that relies on NASA internet
you don't internet retard, they give you a wifi dongle that does everything for you

>>725682693
Yeah that’s what I thought, that fucking sucks. It’s ironically holding VR back since it’s being limited by the hardware which in turn makes the software not appealing (besides simple stuff)

Anyways so the best VR headset to experience Alyx is still the Index connected to a powerful PC?

Ok I'm ready to buy it right now
>early 2026
Fuck you

>>725683440
kek, wireless mouse are about as good today anon but you do you

>>725684081
it's mostly just the fact that I never want to think about having to recharge my mouse, nor do I want to fork out the money for one of those wireless recharging mousepad things either

>>725656108 (OP)
Guess I'll be waiting a little longer for those haptic gloves to be standard...

>>725684215
bruh, rechargable AAA battery weight only 11gram and power your mouse for weeks.
Fuck, The last time I charged my keyboard was like tree months ago.

>>725656108 (OP)

What if TF2 VR drops with the Frame? Will TF2 get a second era?

>>725684067
lmao

>>725684215
Battery life is like the stupidest excuse you could come up with. Just say price, it's legit, because good wireless gaming mouses cost 2x if not 3x of a wired.

>>725675226
>zorrpu.com
damn this guy is obsessed with mii gunner

>>725683376
ARM CPUs are getting very fast. It should work great especially when emulating old PC games or VR games which don't take much CPU power.
>>725683783
>ARM translation layer is slow
No it isn't. Windows PC games are already playable on Android.
>android > termux > xorg > x86box > WINE
and windows PC games are STILL playable on Android. The only drawback is very high RAM usage.

>>725684371
>>725684629
it's not an excuse or about weight or anything. I have a wired keyboard and mouse because I never want to even have to think about them. they should just work, forever

>early 2026
>probably similar price to index
>quest 3 is $500 and available now

>>725684670
just a bit. I actually found one of his videos just the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq5iHQa9RXE

>>725656108 (OP)
I'm not watching this. What about the VR controllers. Did Valve invest in making them responsive or are they like the fisher-price shit that comes with the Quest 3?

the biggest problem will be HDMI 2.1 unironically
I bet this will be a shit fest when people realize the implications

>>725684901
Does your phone work forever? Or trimmer? Just charge it overnight when it gets slow or when you go out or well do literally anything else than the activity that requires it. And if you don't care for the wireless factor then don't get it.

>>725684901
I used to be a wired purist too a decade ago, but the technology already so advance I feel like an idiot just to denied it.
Right now I used cheap $1 AAA rechargeable battery because its my first wireless mouse and if Ignored the to replace the battery it would take me a month until the battery depleted completely and swap into another battery that take less than 5 seconds to do.
I might buy a better battery that people said it can take six months of power life and forgot that my mouse was actually wireless.

>>725683376
Are you stupid?
That's only if you want to run games directly on it, you can still connect it to any pc

>>725685115
What does HDMI have to do with the Steam Frame?

>>725685584
nothing

>>725684932
No way they don't try to knock the price down as much as possible. It won't compete with the quest at all otherwise

>>725684816
>ARM CPU speed.
Yeah, for old games or low end VR that's fine. I just want to be sure that they're not expecting you to send everything to be streamed and run locally on the Frame itself, rather than coming from your actual PC. I may want to play some high end stuff with features, resolutions etc.. that aren't going to be sufficient even for a decent ARM platform's integrated phone Snapdragon GPU. I like having the option to run things onboard and it being Linux powered, but I just want them to be sure that all the FOVeated rendering stuff can be done when its being directly connected (either wired or wireless) to your PC and having the PC doing the heavy lifting

>>725685883
most likely they expect you to do streaming for very demanding stuff
the FOVeated rendering is only for bandwith and its not for the hardware itself

>>725684932
gonna rage if it's more than $600
right now it seems like a decent side upgrade for my quest 3 but I'm not spending nearly 1k for eye tracking and comfort.

>>725685883
https://youtu.be/xz7Pwr21yZo?t=475
this was the only video I found (I am sorry) but this is the hardware they are using
so yeah except 30 fps on GTA V level games

>>725684410
>What if TF2 VR drops
It already exists within TF2 since at least 10 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smXm9Jy-p-o
It's jank and I doubt they'll fix it.

>>725684932
>paying for facebook garbage

I've been buying random VR titles on sale for like 2 years waiting for this to come out so I can actually play them

>>725686454
You need the same device with five times the power to run illusions games natively tho

>>725683783
>that has nothing to do with it
>its gonna have similar performance as proton / wine performance
which one is it?

>>725685883
That's exactly the point, the foveated streaming is meant to make wireless practical. It's a good idea if it's baked in and bulletproof with a dongle, I always heard of issues with streaming on Quest 3 since it's an addon that Meta doesn't care about. Wireless is ideal as long as it doesn't compromise quality or weight.

>>725686941
SteamVR has problems unrelated to proton / wine
why would SteamVR not work for Steams own hardware? Do not think of index now. Thats old and times were different.

>>725685361
The damn thing says
>USB-C 2.0 port
One goddamn USB 2.0 port is not going to push enough data.

>>725686072
Depends on what you mean "streaming"? If it means that like my Index I could pretty much connect it to my PC wired and have it sent along to the headset, that's fine..but I'm worried about a USB 2.0 (?) (or even USB 3.0, 3.1 etc) port allowing that. I'd be somewhat nonplussed if they ONLY let you use the wireless dongle to connect but at least your PC would be doing the computation for demanding stuff when you wished.

>FOViated rendering only for bandwidth and not for hardware itself?
Not sure what you mean? I mean the question is "where" is the FOV being calculated where to render? I mean, if your PC is doing the rendering wired or wireless, then there would be some API that allows the eye tracking data to show what to render at full performance sent back to your PC. However, if it only does that stuff onboard than either its entirely separate and only does FOViated rendering when its rendering on the SoC locally, or some other circumstance?

I guess the concern is that I don't want the whole thing to be left up to wireless bullshit and things running on the headset exclusively. Options are great, but I just wanted to make sure this isn't going to be a situation where anything to heavy for the SoC to handle is going to be a problem.

>>725686454
Thanks. GTAV is quite a bit older now, it was on X360 FFS I think . Still its nice its going to be somewhat powerful,. but still the question is whats optional.

>>725686941
FOViated streaming is different than FOViated rendering - both can be useful in different circumstances, but it depends who and what is doing what job and where.
>Wireless is ideal if it doesn't compromise quality
This is the thing, I'd like to verify that for myself by also having a wired connection if I so wish and all the previous Index etc games made for it. Its good to have options if they're just that

>Can side load android APK
>Doing multitask gachas daily with VR using theater mode.

>>725673301
>>725676892
only cpu tho
it has some dogshit adreno gpu that will be the main problem

those braces making me ughh

Valve just announced the Orange Box in hardware form.

>>725687310
streaming -> wireless
watch the linus tech tips video on this

>>725687310
200 megabits of compressed video data is plenty for streaming 4k video at decent quality.

>>725687310
2.0 cap at 480Mbps, that's like a 60MBps of streaming speed.

Looking how they don't even include fucking strips for controllers, my guess would be they are gonna try to low ball it and compensate with extras like a deluxe strap with premium audio and shit.

>>725687346
Sounds kino

>Please be $499
>Please be $499
>Please be $499
>Please be $499
>Please be $499
>Please be $499

>>725664918
They have knucklestraps but they didn't show them. They better not be an add on either. That shit is essential for VR and games need to be designed knowing you have them.

>>725671415
>wearing something that's been stuck to someone's sweaty face for dozens of hours

steam will never become 64 bit at this rate
they are 100% gonna just throw fex at steam and make the glasses run it through that instead of having ARM client
its gonna have seriously amonut of layering. Its most likely gonna use gamescope as well for the android stuff so you will have
fex -> wine / proton -> DXVK / VKD3D -> gamescope -> waydroid
they could drop fex if they had arm client when running android stuff

>>725688176
already confirmed optional

>>725666730
>Dunno about the chip

Then shut the fuck up because both of those are known specs and you're just completely wrong

>>725688243
steam already has a native ARM client on Mac :)

>>725688243
Wait, why not just run native ARM waydroid?

>>725688243
wine and dxvk run natively on arm so fex is only used for game code
also gamescope is just a window compositor

>>725688243
It's a necessary evil, the world can't keep relying on Windows anymore.

>>725688413
because you need steam
>>725688367
they do?
>>725688496
yeah yeah but that is still a layer on graphics. Gamescope will be on top of x11 if they really are still gonna have x11 even though KDE already is dropping support in following years. Maybe not and they just run gamescope and launch everything from there?

>>725688243
>they could drop fex if they had arm client when running android stuff
ok but who the fuck wants to run android shit?
i want to play my steam games

>>725681221
It's for both. It streams from your PC, and for anything light enough to run directly on the headset you can do that too.

>>725683660
I play rapelay for the parts where they do the domination. I skipped the entire kusoge story and used a full save from hongfire

>>725674162
probably not possible until we have micro-OLED panels that can get as bright as LCD's, same reason why Meta also hasn't gone with OLED and why Beyond's OLED implementation is disappointingly dim and smeary

>>725688849
they developed this exactly to run these games. There were leaks were they ran bunch of android games
I mean I guess you can play your gacha games but I dont know if bunch of VR games are on android?

>>725688817
>they do?
Yes, the native ARM Steam client for Mac was released in June this year.
The Steam client running on the Frame is most likely also a native ARM build.

>>725688817
They'll just release an ARM build of Steam

>>725682708
Like I said, they all suck. Movement is a fundamental physical issue for radio signals so you CAN'T get high throughputs if the device moves. In practice you can't get high bitrate on without judder.
Trust me I've been lost into this wireless VR rabbithole for years now.

>>725664627
>As a Valve drone
Kys

>>725688817
>Gamescope will be on top of x11
Anon, please. The deck runs directly on Gamescope. The machine will do the same.

>>725685115
there's not gonna be HDMI 2.1 on any of these, Steam Machine included

HDMI Forum kikes blocked AMD from supporting it in their Linux drivers because they didn't want an open-source implementation of it to exist publicly

>>725688849
Because they want the headset to be a standalone Android platform too, not just a dumb Steam terminal. It's the same reason Meta pushes mobile-first versions of everything, even if they suck. You KNOW Valve saw people playing Honkai Impact in VR with Quest and panicked. But yeah, nobody asked for this. If I wanted to play crap-tier mobile ports I’d use my phone taped to my face. Just give me native performance for my actual Steam library, not this 12-layer tech Jenga tower.

I'm a retard, would this thing be able to be a standalone PC that plays non-VR games?
I may need to spend a few months a year in the hospital and last time I missed playing vidya or shitposting on an actual screen.

>>725689225
hmm didnt know that
if they are gonna have an ARM client I guess you dont necessarily need xwayland either. Depends entirely on if wine will be wayland ready for the launch. Most likely not.

>>725689468
I'm not a big IO guy, what's the big difference between the 2.0 it supports and the 2.1 it doesn't? higher bandwidth for higher resolution and framerate?

>>725689712
2.0 wont support 4k 144hz without tradeoffs
not that its gonna be a problem honestly since this will not be such a power machine anyway

>>725689519
They needed decent processing onboard to decode the compressed video stream anyway, so they figured why not make it a Quest even if underpowered.

>>725689119
Yeah, that said I am definitely buying one of these.

>>725670083
Because it's an XBOX controller sawed in half.
The retarded move was they didn't even take notes from joycons and make the dpad separate buttons, so now they've fucked every leftie who tries to play any game that has to mirror controls for left hand mode

>>725666447
It's also coming with a custom adapter to make streaming from your PC actually work.

>>725689519
Aren't there some Quest ports of old games that are good? I used to be jealous of the HL1 VR port because it was more advanced than the PC mod.
For old games, you might as well run on the device because even a mobile chip is powerful as fuck compared to the best PC of the time.

This will be $20 per controller, chuddie.

>>725668163
>I dont get it. Beyond normal VR experiences they said they want people to play 2d games on it but why would anyone put on a headset to plat a flat game when they could just use their monitor or tv?
I dunno anon, being able to play full PC games while taking a shit, sitting on the sofa, laying down in bed, or having my wife ride and/or blow me sounds stupidly comfy. The only real issue is this thing uses SHITTY LCD panels like the Index instead of objectively superior OLED. Kinda killed my hype. But the fact that it is running a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and Valve expanded the FEX emulation layer like they did with Proton to allow full Windows x86-64 game emulation on ARM is HYPE as fuck. And of course game streaming to it. If this was OLED it would be an instant day 1 buy. Now I dunno, maybe if it was 500 bucks. But I'm expecting 900-ish.

>>725689797
yeah imo this thing screams "rock solid 1080/60 gaming" maybe 90 or 120hz if we're feeling lucky, so I assume 2.0 is perfectly serviceable for this

>>725689608
It's weaker than a steam deck while demanding more power for higher resolution at the same time. There's one promising feature that will only render what your eyes are directly looking at on the screen, but I think if you just want to play non vr games on the go, the deck is the way to go, but waiting and seeing is also smart

>>725689626
Likely not. I feel like winewayland will be ready in version 12.

They basically solved wireless VR. Dedicated 6GHz band, antenna and chip for streaming and foveated streaming. Finally I can upgrade.

>>725668215
>absurd how oled fags think it's the definitive panel tech when it has more flaws than benefits
What year are you living in? There are zero flaws with modern OLED panels. They can get brighter than LCD panels now, they have infinitely better contrast, infinitely better response times, infinitely less smearing/blur, infinitely superior color, consume less power, don't burn your fucking face like the Index, don't get hot like LCDs, safer for your eyes do to pixel perfect brightness control, infinitely superior HDR, and now they burn in slower than LCD panels (check out RTINGS long term OLED study, modern high-end LCD panels burn-in faster than OLED now).
Genuinely a shame they went with LCD. If it is 500USD or less though I'll forgive them the full set (headset + controllers). You should join us in the year of our lord 2025 and stop operating on ancient pre-covid knowledge.

>>725668163
Why would anybody pull out a tablet to play a flatscreen game when they could just use their monitor or TV?
The Frame is also obviously meant to compete with the Quest 3 and they want to get people who would otherwise never touch PC Gaming marketplace into using Steam

>>725690286
Yep my S90C goes to 1000+ nits who the fuck needs more than that

>>725689819
>so now they've fucked every leftie who tries to play any game
and rightfully so

>>725673768
>I just want the best screen possible
Then you don't want this. It is sadly LCD. DoA unless it is sub-500 for the full kit.

Coming from a Q2 owner, the price will be the deciding factor. Anything over $450 and people might as well get a Q3. No color passthrough sucks but Linus says there's a port in the front for some autist to make a colored add-on for it. Hanstraps being sold separately is pretty jewish but I can't fault Valve for trying to save costs. Not to mention the display resolution is meh and the panels are fucking LCD, but I guess that has more to do with pancake lenses, but it still sucks. I guess this is like a Steam Deck (which I bought) situation where waiting for the sequel is probably the best bet. Honestly kinda disappointing but I'm still going to wait for the price before writing this thing off.

>>725687642
>>725687824
There have been issues with how FOSS drivers weren't allowing the full 48Gbps of HDMI 2.1 and so users had to fall back from either 4K, 120hz, 4:4:4 chroma, HDR etc.. or other features as these wouldn't "fit" in just 40Gbps. DisplayPort does better but even that there are some differences from DP 1.2, 1.3 1.4, and 2.0+ You can waffle about DSC (which is supposed to be visually lossless) and the like, but I can't really think that running 2x 2160x2160 displays, at up to 120/144hz, with all the color and HDR and other features, to say nothing for audio and other sorts of potential data will be served as well on just USB2.0 - we're not talking about just sending a prefab video file or something - at least I really hope we're not as I don't want to see the headset come down to essentially not much different than a garbage Amazon Luna "Hey its just the same as playing it on your PC! In your browser!" but its really nowhere close on quality, performance, features

>>725676971
>>725677326
KDE/Plasma is objectively the best desktop environment. I don't give a fuck what politics they have or who made it. So long as it is the best I'm gonna use it. And it is the best. There is no comparison.

>>725678813
>Foveated rendering is done by the hardware stupid faggot
Are you retarded? The hardware can't intercept the game fucking rendering and change it you fucking idiot

>>725689468
They should fuck right off and just use DisplayPort 2.1 instead after the bullshit HDMI consortium pulled. Valve can even sell an active DP > HDMI conveter without losing any features if they want. Valve should help AMD get a FOSS implementation from HDMI Consortium together, but even for the time being another thing could be maybe some sort of binary blob wrapper that does almost nothing except the 2.1b bits for now.

>>725678332
He's Canadian, of course he is

>>725664483
>if all of these things means they can ship it out for less than their competitors
They told Gamers Nexus it's about the same price as the Index was, aka $1000. That's not cheaper than a $500 Quest 3

>>725690489
>Colored passthrough
What exactly is the problem here and why isn't it included from the start? I thought this was just using B&W / infrared cameras for spacial tracking and the like.

>Just get a Q3
That proprietary bullshit tracking device can rot in hell. I don't want to strap a phone Zuccbot owns to my face for full monetization as opposed to a based Gaben HMD that runs on FOSS Linux and is under my control

>>725690789
It's done on the streaming level nigga. The bitrate of the stream is centered on where the eye is looking. The developer doesn't have to implement anything.

>>725673768
All the chinkware looks good on specs but has MAJOR problems with quality, usability, and other features. Every Pimax, Pico etc.. is like this. Oh it looks phenomenal but its a complete clusterfuck.
>best screen
I'd still wait for Steam Frame overall at this point, but if you truly want no limit cash wise, then
>Varjo XR-4
but part of what you're paying isn't just the screen but also Lidar and all kinds of other crazy shit. Also their eye tracking version costs $9k+.

What is color passthrough even?

>>725687349
No I mean both CPU and GPU.

>>725691883
It means you can see your room while using windows like this.

The Frame won't be able to do it with color though, so your room will be black and white.

I've never owned a VR headset. Are there even 5+ games worth it at this point? Is playing a non VR game comfy on it or a gimmick that'll be fun for 10 minutes?

>>725677726
It's capable of foveated rendering as well that's a software thing and all it needs is eye tracking which this does have.

>>725692137
literally all I can think of for why I'd want to get vr alyx and beat saber, and then everything else is either porn or novelty stuff you'd only play for like 20 minutes and then never again

>>725692137
normal games like hitman,skyrim,fallout
unity jank games like thief simulator,phasmophobia,house flipper
modded games like minecraft,morrowind,doom3
VR games like sniper elite,VRchat,alyx

its not a mature ecosystem but there's enough to warrant a purchase

>>725692137
by this point there's a pretty decent backlog that's built up since 2017
but as far as new releases go, it's fucking bleak ngl

>>725656108 (OP)
>STEAM FRAME WOOOON
Its <600$? Otherwise, doa.

>>725692137
racing games are worth it

>>725692137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZc5gWhW-Tk
Unreal Engine 5 games are technically VR compatible by nature.

>>725668163
Pretty much the only thing I sill use my VR headset for is watching movies (not even porn ones, that got boring after a couple days.)

>>725676892
In terms of burst performance, sure, but this thing doesn't have active cooling. Sustained performance under load is not going to be better than the Deck.

>>725693615
It does, it’s got a fan.

>>725687349
Adreno is actually pretty decent. The issue with adreno is mostly because android devices don't use the mesa-based freedreeno stack because le hardware manufacturer deals.

>>725677401
>Steam controller is Lithium-ion for some reason
There was almost something I'd be interested in buying there.

Oh no valve sister, it's worse than the Quest 3 and more expensive, this is bad!

>>725690359
Because sitting at a desk or on a couch is a pain in the ass when you could pull out a deck in 5 seconds. Not only is VR just as annoying as sitting at a desk or couch, you have to put this sweaty shit on your face while you do it.

>>725656836
>no i NEED the mechanically rotating $200 lighthouses that i need to replace every 6 months

>>725695293
For most headsets, yes since they won't track the controllers when they go outside of the field of view. At least the Frame has trackers on the back too.

>>725695590
brother ever since the like, quest 2, we've had IMUs in controllers.

>>725656108 (OP)
man i was really hoping it would be small like those bigscreen 2 goggles

alright anons, im a complete fucking retard when it comes to vr shit. can someone explain to me what makes a vr headset "good?" do they (or different models) act as an external monitor that gives a stereoscopic view, plus motion tracking or some shit? i see the frame is its own stand alone pc - will it still let me stream games from my pc to it? i really have no fucking clue how vr works.

Now they just need some games for it lmao
It's just a shittier Quest 3 lmao

Why do VR headsets keep trying to do the thing where they strap the goggles to your face and you play with the wii remotes?
Why don't they do the Matrix/SAO thing where they put you into the dream world? That would sell a lot better.

>>725696149
They don't want to make it THAT expensive. It needs to be gamer enough.

>>725697173
Because most people don't want to be directly hacked in their brain by jeets. Though I don't think even brainwashing could make someone attracted to one.

>>725697173
They want to keep the going into games machine away from the general public, it's too addictive.

>>725696375
>do they (or different models) act as an external monitor that gives a stereoscopic view, plus motion tracking or some shit?
Sort of. They aren't a monitor in the traditional sense, they are a virtual one.

>i see the frame is its own stand alone pc - will it still let me stream games from my pc to it?
Yes, it can stream better than other streaming headsets, because it uses foveating streaming using the eye tracking to give you the best quality where your eyes are looking, and low quality elsewhere. It is also capable of natively running Android, Windows, and Linux VR apps meaning it should be compatible to close to all VR games.

>>725661663
A lot is the same. Similar form factor, resolution, lenses, etc.
It will have a much better SoC (still snapdragon tho), eyetracking, dedicated wifi6 chip for pc connection, sdcard slot, and a slot for more cameras (like face tracking, colour passthrough, whatever you want). Tracking cameras are also lit, so you don't need bright lighting. Only the Quest 3S has this for some reason.
Valve claims audio in/out to be on-par with the index.
And the big advantage is that this runs full SteamOS, not the garbage software the Quest runs.

>>725697173
>Why don't they do the Matrix/SAO thing where they put you into the dream world? That would sell a lot better.
Is this a serious question?

>>725698667
The bright light thing seems pretty fine with my quest 3, I usually play with my lights a bit dim and it doesn't seem to have a problem

>>725698839
I get low light warnings constantly, even with my bulb going full bore at 1000 nits.
Frame can operate in pitch black darkness. Turns out, ir light emitters are dirt cheap.

>>725678707
I think you missed all the material information on the device. Steam frame has eye tracked foveated encoding, that means it can put almost all of that 400mbs on the spot you are looking at. It's like 10x quality or latency improvement.

>>725678707
steam frame is 7ghz btw. Just the included dongle is 6E

So do I need router to use the meme magic? Or it's just my pc sending magic to the headset?

>>725699750
Wifi 7 I mean. I don't think wifi 7 is actually 7ghz.

> no five finger
> shit resolution
> shit fov
> no OLED
Guess im waiting another decade to bother with VR

>>725699810
it has a dongle so nobody has to go out and buy a $100 router that may or may not work good enough then set it up properly. That was always the dumbest barrier to wireless PCVR

>>725699873
I think the worst case is your ring finger and pinky are combined, who gives a shit. Muh social VR gonna stick my pinky out when I drink my soda

>>725697173
You need a strap around your neck with a shock remote

>>725696149
Doing bigscreen googles with inside out slam and passthrough would be hard, you'd have to have to compute on the back too. It's possible but that would be the most premium headset you could imagine. Maybe BSB3 will do that.

>>725686113
>gonna rage if it's more than $600
Would you niggers watch the fucking videos that are linked, the engineer told Steve it's going to be similar to where the Index was priced. That was $1000 on launch

>>725665559
If I can play pirated games on this one (or just download free VR exes from itch.io) it's infinitely better

STILL CAPTCHA WITH CIRCLES?????

>>725692137
Alyx, Boneworks, Blade & Sorcery, Skyrim VR with mods, Hitman WOA, Superhot VR

VTOL VR is the best combat flight sim. The only multiplayer game I've played is Forefront which is a battlefield clone and I play it every day now. There are droves of indie games and VR conversion mods of flat games.

>>725692575
>literally all I can link of are lies

>>725690286
I'm skeptic about some of your claims here and I don't know if all oled panels have mura like PSVR2, but the important thing is OLED is not bright enough for pancake VR lenses and I think that's what killed consideration for it. Even PSVR2 has to turn the persistence/smearing up to get its HDR, which makes some people sick

>>725688902
>hongfire
Haven't heard that for a long while, wonder what happ-
>it's a discord spy server now
God damn it.

>>725699873
> shit resolution
Compared to what? AVP?
>no OLED
OLED looks shit with pancake lenses. Ask any bigscreen owner.

>>725689884
Somebody better wake the fuck up and include that in the box.

>>725664110
Probably, getting this to work on quest 3 has been pretty janky for me at times but it does work eventually
Alternatively you could run the VR porn on your computer and have it output to both the VR headset and a normal screen, Steam VR does this by default.

>>725699873
Techlet here, what's with all the demand about OLED screen anyway? I've seen the same autism with Switch 2 specs reveal the other day. Is it really THAT much better?

>>725700929
yes
extra yes for vr
imagine a horror vr game with an oled screen

>>725664110
This is actually an important feature. I hate showing people VR and I can't guide them through anything because there's no mirror view until they are actually in a game.

>>725700929
without oled black is grey. This means you'll be standing in a pitch black scene in VR and nothing is black. It's like movie projector bad.

https://www.roadtovr.com/valve-no-first-party-vr-game-in-development-half-life/

>No first party VR game for it this time
So what exactly is Valve's killer app for this? People talked about how HLX/HL3 should be playable in the virtual screen, but would that be enough for people buying this?

>>725701015
>imagine a horror vr game with an oled screen
Pancake lenses nigga. Pay attention. They make OLED screens look shit. There's massive issues with light loss and glare. If you want OLED, you'll have to put up with chunky fresnel lenses with a sweet spot the size of a flea.

>>725658026
The real deal was $50 HP Reverb G2 when it was briefly useless when windows stopped supporting WMR then some based motherfucker made a driver that turns it into a steam VR headset

>>725701365

I went from an og vive to a quest 2 and holy shit does the lcd kills the immersion.
As soon as you are looking at a dark scene, you instantly know you are looking at a monitor. It suck balls.
I'd rather pay premium for a micro oled version.

>>725666071
Brown.
On the face of it, Frame has double the ram, double the base clock speed, and two more physical cores. It's not even close.

>snapdragon
So it will shit itself running gen 7 games, got it. Pass. I would have bought it if they didn't try to make it a standalone device, that's such a fucking odd choice and there's no way it's cheaper than a quest. Who is this for?

>>725700739
>OLED looks shit with pancake lenses. Ask any bigscreen owner.
there is no way an LCD looks better than an OLED in VR

>looting pattern house
>see a rocketeer in the distance
>plink it and it comes over
>friend freaks out 'wtf are you doing'
>when it comes in I throw a wolfpack grenade I had just found, the rockets kill it one go
>friend had never seen it in use before
>he goes 'woah!'
>feel super cool
What he didn't see was me scrambling to find the wolfpack in my inventory and bring it to the quick bar while the rocketeer got closer because I forgot to do it first. My asshole was clenched so fucking tight

>>725700739
>Compared to what? AVP?

There are too many VR headsets, and there's a lot that use LCD that's higher res than 2160p but less than 3000. I was expecting ~2400px minimum, with 2880 being my ideal knowing uoled was not going to happen.

>>725702041
>be retarded
>post in wrong thread
>can't delete post for like 10 minutes
Thanks

>>725701756
>I'd rather pay premium for a micro oled version.
You're still not paying attention. You're not getting pancake lenses on an OLED. They're incompatible. Bigscreen has been plagued with issues because of it. You don't want this. Peak brightness is garbage, and glare makes dark scenes impossible to make out.

>>725701937
pancake lenses absorb something like 90% of light, it is a cruel technology. With LCD + low persistence autism valve said the frame gets somewhere over 100 nits. 100 nits is basic bitch unimpressive SDR. You probably see displays that are 300 these days. HDR is like 600-1000+. VR has a real brightness problem unless you go back to fresnel or something thicker that doesn't reflect light back to the screen.

>>725701756
>>725701937
Never had issues with black levels on my macbook. Sure you're not just used to cheap panels?

>>725697173
because the tech isn't there yet anon. The best method for this would be stimulation of the optic nerve through the temple, but the research just isn't far enough yet.

>>725702367
go in a closet with no light then display all black on your macbook. Now imagine that glowing grey rectangle is your entire field of view for a game. Yes we know when you watch gilmore girls on your couch in the day time nobody can tell the difference.

>>725700721
yeah shit sucks man

>>725702357
>low persistence autism
it's not autism, they got their priorities right

>>725677940
>Almost no one has an IPD over 70
78 checking in. No I do not look like Sid. I look like someone turned on DK mode.

>>725656108 (OP)
I'm extremely disappointed with this. Where's the extreme FOV? Where's the OLED? Where's the inside-out full body tracking? Where is the crazy controller tech like extreme HD force feedback or capacitive triggers?
Who wanted a slightly modernized sidegrade to the Quest 3?

>>725702721
I think they said it was something like 3% illumination time. Like what the fuck. I hope I can adjust at.

>>725702178

You understand that oled and micro oled are differents right?

The latest micro- oled are absolutely bright enough for pancakes lens

>>725656108 (OP)
Any... games yet?

>>725702939
>Who wanted a slightly modernized sidegrade to the Quest 3?
Me. Quest 3 hardware is fantastic. Best out there. It's hobbled only by a complete dumpster fire of an OS.

>>725702993
>The latest micro- oled are absolutely bright enough for pancakes lens
They're not.
See: Bigscreen Beyond

>>725702939
No mention of empty hand tracking or body tracking deflated me too. I also noticed the lower camera placement isn't ideal for low tracking volume. I you pray for this it's going to have to come from the nose expansion port, which is a pretty cool idea but I have no idea if it will ever be used for anything. I imagine we need IR cameras tuned for body heat on some kind of batman nose on the headset.

>>725703138
>It's hobbled only by a complete dumpster fire of an OS.
or by the firmware updates that meta pushes for shits and giggles to see how much shit they can break at once.

>>725699659
ive already experienced that with the Quest pro. its not as good as you make it sound.

>>725703190
samsung and apple dont have that problem, it's not amazing brightness but its on par with the industry. BSB is using a ghetto uoled or something.

>>725656108 (OP)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU3ru09HTng
Linus has braces now?

>>725703129
2 more weeks

volvo is dead

>>725703314
>ive already experienced that with the Quest pro.
What you experienced was a hacky, cobbled together solution that was never meant to be (speaking about the PCVR implementation).
Natively done, it should work wonders for streaming.

>>725703314
I'll take every account of I've ever heard and basic arithmetic over your vibe. You probably have no idea what I'm even talking about considering you were ignorant in the first place.

>>725703387
>Linus has braces now?
Every child has braces

Steam Frame or Bigscreen Beyond 2?

>>725703508
>>725703556
dude, it was done via Steam link, the same fucking software that the Frame will use. its a minor improvement, not """10x""" like this arbitrary number you pulled from your ass

>>725703705
Steam Frame. Bigscreen is fucked now Valve have pulled the rug from under them and made all Index accessories, which their headset depends on, EOL.

>>725703724
>it was done via Steam link
We have a shitty hacked version hacked into the quest pro that was never designed for it. The frame has it built in from the ground up - DEDICATED wireless NICs, custom wifi dongle, it's built for it. PLUS a low latency eyetracking thing (not IR camera based) that's lower latency than the pro.

Is this compatible with the metaverse?

>>725703724
Yeah fine. It's not 10x the quality improvement because even 10x the bitrate is going to have diminishing returns. But the fovea is like 1/10th of the display area. Then it pipes dogshit bitrate to the other 9/10ths. No it's still a huge improvement. And the answer is no you shouldn't buy the steam frame if you have quest pro dipshit. And you should still know the difference between the steam frame and the quest 3 now that you suddenly tried this feature yourself. Plead ignorance, get treated like you're ignorant.

>>725704283
lmao its the same chip from snapdragon
encoding doesnt change just because its on linux
you know nothing. prepare for disappointment.

>>725704464
>doesn't change
>same chip
have you no read what I wrote?

All of these shit arm phone processors and zen 2 mobile trash were a mistake and consistently hold back real innovation

>>725704561
the rest of your shitty post doesnt matter. what matters is the encoding.
btw i have a $200 dedicated vr router that will blow any garbage wifi dongle valve puts in there away

>>725704464
Nope. Frame will have faster decode

>>725704854
Frame is also wi-fi 7 and can do higher bitrates than the dongle. I still wouldn't upgrade from quest pro but I also wouldn't stay here and argue that it's not better than the quest and how rich you are when anybody can just look at the specs and know you're retarded

>>725704854
>btw i have a $200 dedicated vr router that will blow any garbage wifi dongle valve puts in there away
>he either bought the minion or the archer
>not native steam shit that uses two dedicated links
lol
lmao
You should post this on facebook, zuckerboy

You could make the perfect VR headset and enthusiasts would still find something to bitch about anyway. It's not a market worth chasing if you genuinely care about spread adoption.

>>725672908
people don't want to lose control over movement to do things
the only buttons you are allowed to have on the control stick hand must be trigger buttons, since you can keep your thumb on the control stick the whole time

>>725705012
what? Im arguing that its not worth the money.
you can get a quest 3 for $350

>>725705197
>you can get a quest 3 for $350
Have fun playing your steam catalogue on the go with that. Will most likely be a banger experience

>>725656108 (OP)
I'm going to play VR, aren't I?

>>725705197
>+ $200 dedicated vr router

>>725705197
>there is no need for the steamdeck
>the switch is super cheap rn
this is how you sound

>>725705271
oh yes, i forgot the biggest use of vr, playing it outside your hourse

Quest has steam link and virtual desktop. Why do you chuds pretend it doesn’t exist

>>725705091
Reality:
>Company makes perfect* VR headset
>*IPD maxes out at 70

>>725705472
>I never go outside
>I never leave the house
>I never change rooms
is that why you are so obese?

>>725705578
no im fit as hell, thanks to VR :)

>>725705643
sounds gay af
wanna make out in vrchat?

>>725700712
>I don't know if all oled panels have mura
They don't but the "mura effect" is present in all TFT displays (LCD, etc) you just can't see it in those because they're such an inferior display technology there is so much other noise bleeding in to distract you. Only with literal perfect infinite contrast ratio could you find it on sub-par OLED panels.
>>725700712
>the important thing is OLED is not bright enough
MiniOLED/MicroOLED (what is used in all mobile displays and VR now) can reach 2000 nits peak brightness. That is far brighter than LCDs.

>>725705197
Not worth what money? You don't know the frame's price. Stop comparing new vs refurbs or used. You have buy a dedicated router. The quest 3 isn't a PC. It's heavy as fuck compared to the frame. We've talked about foveated encoding, but when games support foveated rendering the quest 3 will be even further behind. And you'll just be waiting for the controllers to drift because potentiometer joysticks. I wouldn't buy a quest 3 until the frame's price is released, that's common sense.

>>725656836
>>725657801
This thing is a quest 4 even the controllers are the same
Also hw means nothing when your pc does all the work

huh... pop the sd card from your steam deck into the headset and play the games you already downloaded?
big if true

>>725705472
You have a $200 router but you don't fly on airplanes lmao. What a poorfag

>>725656108 (OP)
>includes paid promotion
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>725705723
uoled is not oled. Nobody says oled and means uoled and oled in a venn diagram. Jesus christ we can never talk about anything without tripping over this retardation

>>725705874
I already told you foveated encoding is overrsted. And by the time games support foveated rendering the Quest 4 will be out.

>>725658463
>i waited for too long with my vive and now it is junk
kek, I sold my Vive to a GameXChange early this year for like $550. Someone must have forgotten to update their prices. That thing is still sitting there.

>>725706142
>mom said foveated encoding sucks

Yeah you can also wait for the quest 4 which you will also learn the frame's price in the process of waiting so that's also a good idea. But everyone reading this knows buying a quest 3 right now is full retard whether we had this conversation or not.

>>725705396
not a bad idea if you just stream pc games

>>725706368
eye tracking really isnt worth hundreds of dollars. and you cant do any MR/AR stuff. no hand tracking either. no gaussian splatting.

>>725706136
uOLED is just marketing jargon for Micro-OLED and it can mean both micro-OLED (like HOuD from HyperVision which is in fact an OLED display) and ULED (which is not OLED). This is why I said MICRO OLED and not uOLED you fucking retard. You're tilting at windmills and reading words that aren't written.

>>725683882
Bump

isn't the advantage of oled that they look better when you have the lights on or you're outdoors?
your screen is going to be in complete darkness when you have the VR headset on bros...
and don't tell me about the RICH BLACKS because you aren't buying a VR headset to stare at a black screen are you?

>>725706712
no its shorthand and I dont want to run two o's together like microoled or use a hyphen like micro-oled when I just can use the universal shorthand for micro

And no you're the one changing the subject. I'm not talking about any of those panel types. I'm talking about normal oled we had before bigscreen,avp, and samsung XR. The fucking panels in the PSVR2 or old oculus headsets that everyone thinks would work awesome in pancake lenses when it wouldn't. Its not bright enough. Shut the fuck up. It's not my opinion. I can't fix it. I want it to be bright enough. It's not. There's nothing to talk about. OH WELL MICRO OLED IS ACTUALLY. Yeah no shit. We know. There's two flagship headsets with micro oled.

>>725706890
>isn't the advantage of oled that they look better when you have the lights on or you're outdoors?
No? the exact opposite?
>and don't tell me about the RICH BLACKS because you aren't buying a VR headset to stare at a black screen are you?
The term rich blacks is used in relation to other colors on the screen and the contrast between them so you're really just showing how poor you are talking about sour grapes.

>>725706890
Are you retarded? Dark atmospheric horror is one of the most popular kinds of experiences in VR and all of that is ruined if every dark scene shines back in grey at you.

>>725679947
Inferior genetic hair

>>725684932
Legit just bought a refurbished 512 gigabyte Meta Quest 3 from Ebay seller, "MetaOfficial" for about 400 dollars. The original price was 450, but there was a coupon for a percentage off anywaay. Coupon is over, but maybe sometime soon, maybe Black Friday, the coupon is good again. Coupon was right on the MetaOfficial page.

>>725705956
>big if true
Why wouldn't it be? It runs the same OS that's already aware of what games you own. So it's just a matter of a consistent file structure so it can check to see if you've already have the game files locally.

>>725705197
If this thing is less locked down than Facebook VR headsets I will pay extra for it.

>>725699873
vr is over

>it's own computer, so you don't need to buy a new rig for it
I'm curious

>>725661665
Oh. Multiplayer is going to suck then.

>>725707167
You're wrong. Micro-OLED can reach the same peak brightness as fullsize panels: https://www.displaymodule.com/de/blogs/knowledge/what-is-micro-oled-display-module
But keep coping and being illiterate.

>>725708341
Yeah, a direct comparison neglects some things.
>with the Quest, you need a special app or cable (sold separately) to attach to your pc
>then you need to debug your router setup if it has bad latency or whatever
>you have to make an account with zucc just to use it and then ask permission to "sideload" apks outside of his shitty store
>no compatibility layer to run pc apps unlike this thing
>games you buy are owned on steam rather than facebook store
>foveated streaming should improve wireless quality
we don't know the price but it's definitely worth a bit more.

>>725661665
It's foveated
Less bandwidth to carry means lower latency

>>725697173
You don't even watch those shows/movies because they always show the dangers of doing that

>>725708604
And now your headset costs $2000 instead of $1000.
Don't care.

>>725708604
You're calling me illiterate when the entire point of my only two posts to you was that I'm not talking about micro oled and never said anything about it, except when I did say it was bright enough and we're in complete agreement about the thing I wasn't even talking about. Holy shit. Just kill yourself.

>>725708906
We're talking about VR. MicroOLED is what is used in VR. The Mura effect is present on all TFT displays regardless of micro or not-micro. You're functionally illiterate.

>>725708967
No you're talking about micro oled and I'm not. End of story. Stop fucking yapping. If I wanted to talk about micro oled I would do it and we could have a conversation about it. But it never happened. Instead you're deliberately misunderstand my posts and over and over and try to type out as much irrelevant knowledge as you can. Post about micro oled. Tell everyone about it. It's on topic just stop linking my posts because it has nothing to do with them.

>>725658026
I don't think this is intended to be a replacement for the Index.
The Frame is wireless, which cannot possibly have latency as low as a wired connection, and uses camera-based tracking, which although easy and portable is strictly inferior to lighthouse-based tracking. You can't even put your hands behind your back in VR with camera tracking.

This is more like Valve's equivalent of a headset like the Meta Quest. Cheap, portable, entry-level VR.
The Index will remain Valve's expensive fancy VR.

>>725708448
i would prefer it without the expensive hardware if it just had all the same features but ran on my gaming PC.
not really sure why the headsets having phones inside of them became the norm.

>STEAM FRAME USES A WINDOWS TRANSLATION LAYER (FEX)

GENUINE QUESTION, TECHBROS, PLEASE ANWSER ME.

Is it possible for one day Steam OS run any windows based software by simply "translating" it?
Am I retarded or one day we will be free from the shackles of Microshit and just comfortably run the Gabe OS in our PCs knowing that any software on windows will run as well?

>>725694205
Isn't pretty much all modern hardware with built-in rechargeable batteries lithium-ion?

>>725709439
The quest 2 was the replacement for the index. It's the longest lived overpriced obsolete headset. It's been out of production. Why someone would cope in this manner and misinform other users I have no idea.

>>725709578
How do you think some forms of backwards compatibility work

>>725709628
I don't know, man. I just always assumed it works because it's still windows. And it doesn't always work.

>>725709714
Some words don't have an equal meaning in another language

Linus has a really punchable face and comes off as a faggot. Plus the only guy I ever met who liked him was a literal cuckold raising someone elses child. Steve at Gamers Nexus is our guy.

Anyways I digress, but Steam games running on ARM is fucking amazing and a bigger announcement than everything else combined.

>>725709760
That is true. But I would assume the steam OS is like "emulating" windows software.

>>725709609
>It's been out of production
I actually didn't know that.

>>725709876
We will find out and where there is a will there is a way. The antis are mad because growth is happening. They want no growth so they can complain about not having options you see.

>>725709343
The reply chain says otherwise. Take the L.

>>725709876
Careful with that language there, it's NOT emulation. But yeah it's like emulation.

>>725709994
Steam took the PC gaming market away from Microshit and I prey everyday they one day manage to took away the PC OS market from them.

>>725710137
I'm a complete layman on the subject. The first time I heard about OS software "translating" other OS was when Nintendo said the Switch 2 backwards compatibility with the Switch 1 worked because of it.

>>725710082
I told you right here the first time what I'm not talking about and you didn't listen. Over and over and over you just moan like a whore. Stop shitting up the thread

>>725710082
>>725710480
And you'll probably need this because of your two digit IQ situation and all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram

You can even bring up random facts about venn diagrams in a pseudointellectual argument with the next person you talk to

>ARM running X86 games on a open platform backed by a big company
I wonder if this is the beginning of the end for desktop X86

>>725705035
nta but i got the puppis s1 for $70 and that thing does h.264 at 400mbps

>>725666980
So they've basically fixed wireless PCVR.
>>725666861
>FEX
>>725661583
It harms both Meta and Microsoft.

Extensive IR markers in controllers fixes occlusion issues that occur with the Quest 2/3. Eye-tracking out of the box. The best VR controllers I've ever seen. They fixed the vertical FOV which has been severely lacking in other headsets. I'm sold as fuck if the price is right. If this thing comes in at $799 or higher I'll just give up on VR, I'm so fucking tired of waiting for VR to not be so shitty.

>>725711843
>>725661583
Next stop, Timmie and his Unreal Engine.

Why did they put a charging puck on the steam controller instead of the steam frame controllers?

>>725712484
Gamers who play PC games with controllers know how to charge batteries before they want to play. The screaming children who will account for 96% of Steam Frame sales do not, and they will lose their shit when any sort of barrier to play can't be solved by their mother without removing the headset.

>>725681662
But it IS dead. they can make as many new headsets as they want, if developers won't make games for it a new headset is pointless. Can you even name 10 VR games made this year that can justify it.