Thread 725673445

>"Well done you did a great job, but I'll keep my eye on you in case you ever turn traitor in the future."
Why did this line cause so much seethe among players? That's a fairly standard 40k attitude.

>Why did this line cause so much seethe among players?
main character syndrome

Because he is a fucking bitch and snitch.
Titus was completely pure and the first thing this fucker talks about to him is about absolution and redemption when there is nothing to redeem from.
If anything it should have to be questioned if he accused him for his own advancement.

We need news about brother Master of Sanctity Leandros

Chaplain's job is to be hater.

humanity needs more people like leandros

it's a way of thinking i have noticed a lot of normgroids have and i don't know why they are unable to get rid of.
they seem to be unable to judge actions of characters by the rules and ethics of the world those characters inhabit and instead judge them by ones that apply to the real world

>>725674208
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt

>>725673445 (OP)
The problem wasn't the line, it was WHO said the line. That fucking bitch Leandros, got away with all his bullshit and even got promoted, people HATED that.

>>725673445 (OP)
most of the audience are quaternaries who only experience the setting through tiktok

>>725676282
this. i never even played the games, the tabletop, or read the books. i just watch w40k youtube shorts and jerk my tiny white pecker

>>725677547
kill yourself, alright

only secondaries got mad at this.

only secondaries that didn't play the first game and only played the second because of hype don't understand why people were mad about this

>>725674208
>Titus was completely pure
Anon it's 40k. Being completely pure is a red flag that someone is in fact not pure.

>>725673445 (OP)
40k fans aren't known for emotional maturity, gamers especially.

>>725673445 (OP)
>titus showed leandros was wrong
>titus proved he was never anything close to a traitor
>calgar says as much
>gets his old position as well as a new title and mission from girlyman himself
>balding manchild and his faggot fanboys immediately start huffing copium
Why back such a retarded horse?

>>725682779
>admits he is neither a 40k fan nor a gamer
More like you’re some faggot secondary that hopped on a bandwagon and the only character you could relate to is a seething manchild that has been shown to be wrong but is too much of a vitriolic autist to admit it. Imagine out of everyone in the 40k universe this is the character you hold a torch for?

>>725674208
>complaining about someone being a "snitch" (literal nigger language)
Why are you black?

>>725683408
>>725683608

Usually it's the inquisition who do shit like that, not Space Marines.

>>725684979
Not if they are dealing with an internal Space Marine issue that gets solved by the chapter

>>725684979
It's the chaplains job to keep an eye on their chapter to do so.

>>725684689
>b-but this pic from a mod
Pathetic, go back to your shitty subreddit.

>>725683408
Nobody is denying Titus is a good guy, or that he's pure. We're reminding retards like you that in 40k this doesn't mean much long term. You posted Dawn of War, the game in which the phrase "there's no such thing as innocence - only degrees of guilt" is repeated often and half the Space Marine unit quotes are how eternal suspicion is the best way to live. Titus being a perfect hero today doesn't stop him from being a traitor or a walking disaster just a 100 years later, if you think resisting Chaos today means you'll resist it forever just ask Magnus or Horus.

>>725673445 (OP)
no seethe, just comedic timing

>>725683408
If the phrase "hey good job man you did well and won everyone's trust.. but just in case you start showing signs of corruption in the future I'll keep an eye on you" draws such insane aggression out of you or if you think that's an inappropriate stance for an astartes, I don't know you should probably try an easier setting than 40k.

>>725686430
I think it might have been a joke

>>725673445 (OP)
Probably because these shouldn't be the words said before revealing that he's the fucking rat who wrongfully sent a hero of the chapter to the gulag for 100 goddamn years.

But I'm sure the woke devs will give this guy some kind of heroic sendoff as he sacrifices himself for Titus instead of treating him like the useless, cowardly, know-it-all little shit that he is. He's done as much harm to the company as the fucking tyranids.

And fuck that Calgar guy too while we're at it.

I'm still amazed people are sad that Charion got squatted.

>>725688171
Giving well liked characters offscreen deaths is dogshit writing.

>>725688171
Chairon had more fans than 99% of Xenos characters. Thedecision to kill him off is pretty surprising.

>>725687841
>he's the fucking rat who wrongfully sent a hero of the chapter to the gulag for 100 goddamn years.
Leandros didn't do that. That result was the fault of the Inquisition.

>>725688298
Sure but what does that have to do with Chyrone?

>>725688171
He was my Ultranigger.

>>725687841
Ultramarines have a dozen heroes. What they don't have is chaplains. Being a chaplain in the UM is far harder than any other chapter considering how often smurfs turn traitor(80% of modern traitors are ultramarines)

>>725687841
>he's the fucking rat who wrongfully sent a hero of the chapter to the gulag for 100 goddamn years.
>treating him like the useless, cowardly, know-it-all little shit that he is. He's done as much harm to the company as the fucking tyranids.
Bro shut the fuck up. I don't care if this is shitty bait, I'm gonna beat your ass.

>>725683408
just like horus was the favorite son and the most trusted

>>725688171
Space Marine 2 was the most successful 40k game in a long time. Chairon was gonna get his fans, him dying as a footnote in someone else's death note on a Warhammer blog isn't something I'm surprised about.
The fact they're killing him off just to prop up the SL black guy is the surprising part after all the shit James Workshop's said in the best about diversity and Warhammer being for everyone. It's an easy avoidable thing where they could just say he's off to do something else in the fluff and doesn't need to be mentioned again, but they go this route without realizing how it looks to those people who got in with SM2.

NU-GW PLEASE STOP WRITING SUCH SHIT NOVELS AND SHIT LORE FOR THE ELDAR

Because the fucking retard thats the cause of having a beloved MC storywise being tortured, put on stasis so long all of his friends thought he was dead, get flagged as a possible traitor when he isn't, and losing his job in the end got a prominent job thats almost as high as his previous job.
But whatever, its been 15 years now, Titus got his job back, and Big Blue Daddy himself asked him to get back his property and clean any cancerous motherfucker in the way.

>>725689524
Voidscarred was pretty good, I don't even remember what was the previous Eldar novel before that

>>725673445 (OP)
Chaos seeps in when we lower our guard. We must remain vigilant.

>>725688625
>Ultramarines are not known to be raging retards at all
>his nigger genes still kick in and totally overpower all the tampering his mind and body went through only to send him into the classic chimpout because someone said the n-word 10,000 years ago
interesting writing
this is Russia's way of telling us that some animals cannot be domesticated

>>725689545
>caused titus to have a mildly interesting backstory instead of being captainus genericus #17
what's the issue exactly?

>>725688536
It actually is his fault. The Codex Astartes states that if a space marine suspects one of his battlebrothers of corruption, he is to discretely report it to the company Chaplain, who will conduct an internal investigation. Instead, Leandros falsely accused his Captain to the Inquisition, an outside organization that has jousted with the Astartes more than once, and rarely takes a benevolent approach to its inquiries. His slavish devotion to protocol ironically led him to break protocol.

>>725690032
>Ultramarines are not known to be raging retards at all
All Marines are a little retarded. They're hypno conditioned gene warriors. Sometimes you get fucked into a corner and you gotta die a glorious death. Sometimes you go full retard like Space Wolves and Imperial Fists, sometimes you get a little Retarded like White Scars and Raven Guard

>>725689524
macha a cute

>>725673445 (OP)
Titus being so devoted to the Emperor that he just shrugs off all attempts at corruption kinda makes sense. I don't blame Leandros for not buying that notion because it is extremely far-fetched but it could happen.

What I don't get is how Titus held the Power Source in SM1 without any harm coming to him. That was said to disintegrate anyone who isn't of the Warp, and Titus held onto it without issue which is weird. Faith in the Emperor doesn't make you completely impervious to Warp magic, that's something Leandros is 100% right to be concerned about.

>>725690209
>The Codex Astartes states that if a space marine suspects one of his battlebrothers of corruption, he is to discretely report it to the company Chaplain, who will conduct an internal investigation.
No it doesn't. Nowhere in the Codex Astartes is this said. I have been asking for people to show proof or an excerpt or a quote that this is a hard rule, and nobody has posted it yet. It keeps getting spread around like fan wisdom despite zero actual evidence backing it up.

If you have to make up nonexistent lore to justify your anger at a fictional character, I dunno it might just be a skill issue on your part.

>>725689524
Nah get fucked, the Leagues of Votann are cooler.

>>725675152
>why does everyone keep turning to Chaos?!

>>725675152
Based Marines Malevolent enjoyer

>>725690726
>standards? discipline? faith? ugh. fuck you, dad, i'm selling my soul to a maggot-infested shit demon

>>725676282
>t. quintonarie

>>725690209
>The Codex Astartes states that if a space marine suspects one of his battlebrothers of corruption, he is to discretely report it to the company Chaplain
WRONG. Way to prove yourself a secondary. Chaplains have nothing to do with the detection of Chaos corruption within the ranks of the Chapter. That's the Duty of the Librarians. Chaplains are tutors into the traditions and history of the Chapter as well as morale officers. There evidently was no Librarian present on Graia, and given there was literally a Black Templar escort WITH the Inquisitor when he grabbed Titus the Adeptus Astarte as a whole doesn't have a problem with aiding an Inquisitor in an investigation into an individual Astarte given proper cause.

Astartes resent the Inquisition when zealots and hardliners try to squeeze in and force Chapters as a whole to change their traditions or share some secret lore. That's why Leandros was never punished, and was indeed promoted to a station reserved for those who embody zealotry and devotion to duty in the Chapter, but Calgar WAS angry about Titus' extended detainment since that was a faux pas on the Inquisition's part.

>>725690894
>Marines Malevolent
Anon that's not a MM-only quote

>>725687521
Jokes are a sign of heresey too.
The Emperor never joked.

>>725691058
No but they're very eager practicioners of that doctrine.

>>725689524
The monkey's pawn curls, now Eldars are getting Ultramared and now we have Half Eldars back but its ok because now Eldar are safe from Slaanesh and their combined alliance will save Isha from Nurgle's trash bin.

>>725673445 (OP)
Remember your promise. After I leave the gate unlocked and you take over Castle Grayskull, you deliver Teela to me bound and naked

>>725689251
Oh wow, this cope, and unlike Horus when he was put to the test he didn’t falter. Now if anyone is susceptible then tell me how Leandros who is currently on the spiteful fucktard route is not going to seethe his way into chaos corruption like the inquisitor?
>inb4 h-hes a chaplain
And Horus was a Primarch.

>>725692138
>when he was put to the test he didn’t falter
yet

>>725673445 (OP)
Why are you spamming the same topic of conversation over and over? Nothing to do on a Wednesday?

>>725687243
>no bro just ignore the context and read the line in the most dishonest manner because I need to try and cope with this character that I have attached myself to being a vitriolic manchild
He reported Titus because he told him to stop humping the space book and use some common sense and then decided to not only go against his own principles but do the exact opposite of common sense and report him to the fucking inquisition which could of compromised the Chapter as a whole. He can’t just admit he is wrong and has to keep doubling down on saying that Titus is totally a traitor or will be. Note how he says “the stain of suspicion” as if Titus was ever an actual risk despite showing that it was pretty much a bunk claim made by some faggot that was too busy seething about him to think about the consequences.

>>725692138
Leandros won't fall into corruption because his spitefulness torwards Titus is THAT strong that he will say something on the lines of "Titus will go corrupt the day i fall into CHAOS" as he breaks off his armor on some super saiyan shit and reveals He is Alpharius and gigaclaps the chaos fucks trying to subdue him.

>>725686626
>Titus being a perfect hero today doesn't stop him from being a traitor or a walking disaster just a 100 years later
The absolute state of leandrosfags
Your balding manchild was wrong and Titus has not only been vindicated but will continue forward. Go suck off the codex that girlyman is saying show be ignored at this point.

>>725692516
>decided to not only go against his own principles
Which are?

>>725692202
Cope more fag, this is a named Smurf. Either he dies or nothing happens.

Why are there daily threads about Spess Mehreen? The games are good but not remarkable. And it's been a while since 2 came out. Pic unrelated

>>725692852
Then it applies to Leandros too, he was decreed pure-hearted and competent by Calgar himself after all

>>725692817
Being a codexfag.

>>725692756
>Titus has not only been vindicated but will continue forward.
Good. That's how it should be, and Leandros congratulated him for it and for winning back everyone's trust. He also said that Titus should keep it up in the future, and that he'll keep an eye on him in case he ever succumbs to Chaos. Why does that make you so irrationally angry?

>>725691704
>now Eldars are getting Ultramared and now we have Half Eldars back but its ok because now Eldar are safe from Slaanesh and their combined alliance will save Isha from Nurgle's trash bin.
You consider that a downside?

>>725692927
How did he violate the Codex?

>>725692904
Leandros is a side character and one that is loathed almost universally outside of paradoxical dicksuckers that seem to relate to him for some reason.

>>725693009
Oh okay, since reddit hates him I guess he's wrong then

>>725692902
Yesterday GW killed off Chairon and Acheran in a Warhammer Community article to justify Titus being a Captain again and the Sergeant from Secret Level being his new black sidekick.

>>725692950
Kind of, Eldar Men may be getting Imperial pussy too, but that means ALL sides of the human female spectrum gets eldar dick. Picture in your head an Eldar male, a handsome knife eared twink, roped and trapped in a giant sized matress belonging to a female Ogryn, big strong and butt ugly Ogryn lady speaking with the mosh fucking POSH britbong accent ever, giving a sloppy kiss to said eldar before cowgirling his bones off.

Anyone else think that the Rubric Marines were the worst choice for chaos marines in the campaign? There is nothing more lame than tearing apart empty armors that just have some glitter inside. It's like a censored German version of a videogame, except chosen on purpose with no censorious intent.

>>725692945
He didn’t congratulate him, you’re trying to spin it as that because Titus was reinstated and you need to act like the faggot crybaby you decided to root for wasn’t wrong. Also Calgar never doubted Titus, he literally knew from jump that he didn’t fall and that the charges were bullshit.
>Why does that make you so irrationally angry
Why do you have to be so pathetic and pretend that that’s what he was saying? You fags we’re saying that Titus would fall any day and that Leandros was right and now he’s been reinstated it’s trying to say that he totally was on Titus’ side and definitely believed in him. Get fucked, you’re as much of a toddler as Leandros is.

>>725692516
>He reported Titus because he told him to stop humping the space book
No, he reported Titus because Titus
>handled a Warp artifact that's supposed to kill non-Chaos mortals and made it look like he's trying to hide it
>caused a Chaos incursion on Graia by cooperating with a Chaos agent in disguise
>was on a first-name basis with a Chaos champion who seemed to know Titus and called him brother
>devised a shitty plan that would definitely get Sidonis killed and the artifact stolen by Chaos, ignored any objections, then Sidonis was predictably killed and the artifact was stolen
>told Leandros to stop following the rulebook so rigidly and for once in his life follow his gut and do what he thinks is right
Leandros was wrong and still is, but if you're a random astartes following Titus in SM1 there is no way you're walking away from that situation without being suspicious of him.

>>725693102
The daily threads have been going on for longer than since yesterday.

>>725693273
yeah, it's terrible, and they're also not that fun to fight gameplaywise

>>725693078
People here and on /tg/ hated him before reddit even gave a fuck. But good to see that newfags still cry reddit when they get btfo.

>>725693273
The sadder part is that 1000Sons are more magical than bolters, where's the cool big fuck you sparkles and sunshine? These fucks are basically ki spamming like vegeta in lore last i checked.

If Leandros was wrong by the standards of the setting, he wouldn't have been promoted to Chaplain. It's that simple.

>>725693291
>He didn’t congratulate him
How would you characterize "You have done well. You have won the trust of your brothers and of the chapter master" if not congratulations?

>>725693389
Actually everyone here and on /tg/ loved Leandros and spat on Titus since the start.

>>725693461
Dense fuck
>you may have fooled those other rubes but I SEE YOU

>>725693441
kek I still remember the "i-it was PUNISHMENT actually!" cope

>>725692817
The inquisition wasn't a thing when girlyman wrote it but it became a common protocol for the various chapters to first talk about it with your chaplain or librarian before going for the nuclear option of involving an inquisitor

Leandros is a giant faggot that skipped these steps and went straight for the inquisition just because he got told to not be a massive pussy about tbe rules of engagement

>>725693703
>but it became a common protocol for the various chapters to first talk about it with your chaplain or librarian before going for the nuclear option of involving an inquisitor
Source?

>>725693703
>potentially chaos-corrupted company captain walking around
>no librarian or chaplain in sight
>yeah bro just wait a couple decades and let him corrupt the entire company
there is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

>>725693349
You say all of this but a random Astartes would have gone to a chaplain a not the fucking inquisition. That is the big issue here and why people point out that it was a personal thing. Leandros knew what he was supposed to do yet didn’t because he wanted to fuck over Titus and knew that was the best way to get it done. And he didn’t care what happened to the chapter as a whole since he insulted the precious space book.

>>725693273
why does nobody ever do khorne?

>>725693584
>but I SEE YOU
But that's not what he says. He says "I'll keep watching you in case you ever falter on the path" implying that Titus is currently treading the path correctly. He's not telling Titus that he sees through the act, he's telling Titus that his current success and heroism doesn't mean Leandros will turn a blind eye to any signs of corruption if they appear.

>>725693545
>doesn’t deny he’s a newfag
>just goes into retarded revisionism to cope
Go back.

>>725693935
I'm just using the exact same standards of evidence as you.

>>725693856
They overlap with orks and nids what with them being melee focused

>>725693584
He’s not dense, he knows that that is what it is but has to cope because Titus is back to his old position and now has to pretend that he and the other leandrosfags weren’t bragging about how Titus could fall any day, two more centuries at most.

>>725693828
tertiary spotted

>>725694039
>melee enemies that tard rage run at the player

literally perfect

>>725694004
You’re not, you’re just coping because you outed yourself as a newfag.

>>725693805
Chaplain and librarians are not hard to contact
Also stop citing that DoW quote everytime, you look like a retard with no arguments left doing it

Leandros sees Titus's VACban

>>725694169
>y-you're a newfag because I got outed as a redditor tertiary!
gotcha

>>725673445 (OP)
because he is a retard who threw a bitchfit over Titus not perfectly following the codex, and it WORKING.
Leandros larps as a janny when his first actions were to run to the inquistion instead of bringing things up to his chaplain per the codex.
And that was BEFORE the endgame shit where titus actually is involved in something questionable.

>>725693828
>a random Astartes would have gone to a chaplain a not the fucking inquisition
This works if the entire company is just sitting on their command ship with everyone on board. They weren't, they were on a wartorn planet with no knowledge of what was going to happen next or who was going to be sent where. There was no librarian or chaplain there with them. If Titus had indeed been an agent of Chaos, there was no knowing how deep his influence in the chapter was or whether any potential accuser would even survive long enough to talk to a chaplain. There was however an inquisitor nearby, an individual specifically ordained with investigating corruption within the Imperium. It was a cunt move but given the circumstances it's not something unthinkable.

>>725694092
>gets btfo
>y-youre tertiary
Realistically why does Leandros appeal to you to the point you would latch onto him at all let alone to the point where you get assblasted about his retarded behavior being called out? Like do you actually relate to him or think he’s cool? Or is this just pure contrarianism due to wanting to feel special?

>>725694184
>Chaplain and librarians are not hard to contact
They have to be actually present to do anything. Assuming the whole Second Company was deployed at Graia they were probably killed and would require replacing. Who knows when the company would make contact with other chapter elements.
>noooooo stop quoting in-universe quotes!
It perfectly explains Leandros' attitude and how the Imperium works.

>Personally watches over Titus' recovery after the Primaris procedure
>Is the first one to welcome him back to the Chapter and encourages him to rejoin his brothers, outright saying his time with the Deathwatch is over
>Literally says "Praise the Emperor" upin seeing Titus wake up
>Directly helps Titus' in re-arming and swearing of oaths
>Keeps his identity a secret so that Titus isn't distracted during critical missions, even provides support during some of said missions
>Likely supported Titus' re-appointment to Captain
>Congratulates Titus on a job well done after the campaign is over.
Yet people somehow think Leandros hates Titus and wants him dead or disgraced

>>725690032
Gorrillaman got so angry once that he was punshing heads off in space without a helment

>>725694235
>Leandros larps as a janny when his first actions were to run to the inquistion instead of bringing things up to his chaplain per the codex.
Can you point me to the part of the lore that says any heresy accusations of astartes must go directly to the chaplain and nobody else, and you're betraying your chapter by talking to anyone else about it?

No such rule or part of the lore exists. If that rule existed it'd be retarded. "If your superiors are corrupted by the same shit Warmaster Horus was slinging around, the stuff that made the Word Bearers go insane and commit genocide while turning into abominations and summoning actual daemons? Yeah just keep that shit on the downlow and don't let any anti-heresy organizations know, just tell one of us and we'll take care of it" sounds like a retarded idea and sounds like a perfect way to let chaos spread unchecked.

>>725694235
>bringing things up to his chaplain per the codex.
proofs?

>>725673445 (OP)
Because it was uttered by an unlikable asshole that sold you out to the inquisition after you've saved a planet from a chaos/xenos invasion.

>Secondary, tertiary, quarterly
Why you bitches citing which turn is yours in the queue to fuck your girlfriends everytime you get in an argument over some British board game.

>>725673445 (OP)
>Titus comes into contact with Chaos all the goddamn time via artifacts and getting ganked by traitor legions.
>"You are being watched because you MIGHT be corrupted at any point interacting with this shit.”
>Waaaaaaaah why Leandros such a meanie he was wrong twice now why he keep watch over Titus??!?!?!?!?!?!
Maybe because it’s his fucking job.

>>725694281
>There was no librarian or chaplain there with them
There absolutely fucking would have been give the whole company was there but Leandros didn’t give a shit to call for one since he was too busy seething about Titus
>there was no knowing how deep his influence in the chapter was or whether any potential accuser would even survive long enough to talk to a chaplain
They literally just won and the planet had been retaken, there was plenty of manpower and time to make sure he was clean the right way.

>>725694378
So what you're saying Titus and Leandros are just Slaanesh's favorite Tsundere BL manga

>>725694378
This is correct. He wants to see Titus succeed but reminds him he still has a job to do and reminds him of the past so he doesn't forget it. Our pasts make us better.

>>725673445 (OP)
>when you play a game where irrational dogma and constant suspicion are a staple of the setting, but a videogame NPC is irrationally dogmatic and constantly suspicious of your player character

>>725688171
I genuinely assumed that the black guy from the Secret Level episode was the same negro from Space Marine 2 despite the bullet studs, until a few days ago.

>>725689524
Eldar got powercrept out of their own role, primarily by the new Necrons.

>>725692902
Titus got promoted and told to recapture all non imperial ultramar worlds with 3 good men.

>launched with only THREE ( 3 ) PvP maps
What were they thinking?

>>725694378
>accuse guy of heresy and get him hauled off by inquisition
>find out he is alive but will die
>okay he will definitely die when he crosses the rubicon
>he doesn’t
>okay well he was nearly killed by tyranids before so it will happen again
>he survives
>okay well he is still alive but chaos is here again so that means he will fall or reveal himself as a traitor to his brothers and they will take him out
>this does not happen
>titus personally takes out another invasion with the help of calgar
>titus receives the laurels of victory
>okay you may have fooled them but I know you will fall, the stain of suspicion never leaves
>titus is reinstated by gorillaman himself and made warden of ultramar

>>725694812
Yes. Slaanesh touches herself at the thought of Titus and Leandros meeting in the showers, steam clinging to their muscular, wet bodies

>>725694824
Samefag

>>725694434
>>725694450
Space marines handle heresy internally first, newfags, following chain of command first and being transparent about what is going on.
crawling to the nearest inquistor (who can bypass everything) while wiping away tears over once again being proved wrong on blindly following the codex isn't procedure.

both of you newfags go and look up the strained relations between the astartes and the inquistion, and the resulting internal procedures the astartes have as a result.

If this was an investigation done PROPERLY, Leandros would have been pulled in as well due to being Titus's subordinate.
He would have been under suspicion as well as everyone else under the command of titus who survived, AND Calgar himself would have been in a funny situation.
When a fucking CAPTAIN gets accused it is meant to set off all sorts of alarms due to how high ranking they are.

Instead what appears to have happened is an incompetent and disgruntled leech ran to a retarded inquistor, who managed to fuck up the procedure and trigger a political war between the Ultramarines and the inquistion.
Leandros got peter-principled to where his retarded ass could whine endlessly about the stupid codex, and they were forced to downgrade one of their most effective people.

>>725695182
PVP was an afterthought cause Horus Heresy coming to a finale around the time so they wanted to capitalize on Space Marine vs Chaos Marine hype.

>>725673445 (OP)
If Leandros didn't report Titus and Titus never got his xenos slaying expertise in the Death Watch then the Ultra Marines would have been wiped out during the events of SM 2

can't wait for Space Marine 7 with dementia Titus and dementia Leandros in dreadnoughts still bickering over whether he's a secret chaos agent or not

>>725695304
>Space marines handle heresy internally first, newfags, following chain of command first and being transparent about what is going on.
source?

>>725694583
To be a bitch of the inquisition? Because that’s what he has shown himself to be.

>>725694378
Correct.
>>725695194
Nothing but conjecture.

>>725695548
It’s not, you just have no argument so have to cope and talk to yourself.

>Arguing over what was the right thing and wrong thing to do in a game released during 5th edition, like it matters in the lore changes come 10th edition.
Oy vey

>>725690032
Seriously, I liked him until that moment. He just goes full retard and we have to chase him across the fucking planet while warp fuckery tears reality apart.

>>725695365
read the lorebooks newfag.
I am not digging into them and pulling out page numbers for a retard with no initiative.
people have talked about this bullshit for YEARS.
Chaplains are the equivalent of a fucking commissar in many ways.

Do you retards actually think the imperial guard is going to run crying to the inquistion directly for every minor thing?
The difference is that the commissar can just yell HERESY, BLAM! and the chaplains have an actual procedure.

>>725695739
>read the lorebooks newfag.
I have, it's not there.
>people have talked about this bullshit for YEARS.
Redditors hallucinated this "fact" and have been mindlessly spewing it for a decade yet no one has been able to provide an excerpt that proves it is true.

>>725695739
If the "when you suspect a high ranking astartes of heresy you're not allowed to speak to anyone other than the chaplain, if you speak to someone else it's a betrayal of the chapter" thing is so everpresent that people have been talking about it for years, then surely there should be an easy example you can point towards?

God I love being a 40K secondary that just believes everything about the setting I read on /v/ threads :)

Codex this heresy that, it's all bullshit. What's important is; what sort of Eldar wife will Titus get in SM3?

>>725677547
Why so mad,? lmao.

Why did no one actually read Guilliman's book before giving it 5 stars?

The lore in the games and Astartes are the only things that matter to the REAL 40K canon

>>725696023
His fillet mignon was shit and the amasec was warm.

>>725695851
>I have, it's not there
Which one?

Leandros should be promoted to Master of Sanctity next game. While Titus is being sent on ridiculous missions just have Leandros keep getting promoted.

>>725696384
Every codex since ~2003 and most of the campaign books. Plus some novels until they started shitting the bed.

>>725695851
so GW making Leandros saying it doesn't count?
>>725695908
Sure, Leandros.
want to go through his quotes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROWjqnwCREY
and count all the times he talks about judging and leans on titus's soldier as the space marine heresy janny?


Do you newfags just never bother to think about how systems of command where people get split up and physically isolated by stellar distances WORK or something?
Or how rare inquistors actually are?

>>725696503
So you can't support your argument with any sources or excerpts from the lore? Guess I won't take you at your word then.

>>725696467
Cool post your codex.

>>725696743
You start :^)

Is there any universe worse to exist in than w40k? Just thinking the wrong way for too long can literally corrupt your soul forever and destroy a world.

>>725696503
So GW is no longer a source?
Got it.
Can you explain why the people who are
>in charge of determining space marine behavior
>in charge of maintaining adherence to spiritual doctrine
>placed in a separate command structure so they only answer to the chapter master, giving them the power to butt heads with everyone BUT the chapter master

would not be called into suspicion of heresy, and why entire star systems MUST be searched for the nearest inquisitor the moment anything seems off?
cite a LORE source as well, or it doesnt count, btw. MLA format

>>725696865
sorry, replied to myself instead of >>725696601
anyways, source on chaplains getting this distinct command structure to deal with everything related to heresy but not dealing with accusations?

ANYONE at ANY time just gets to cry heresy and drag an inquisitor into things, right?
you DO have a source for this, right?

>>725696843
>To exist in.
40k's not even the worst British SCIFI setting to live in. Doctor Who is easily worse without going into all the EU shit because you've constantly got alien invasions, universal resets, time altering by an inch so now your girlfriend's married to someone else going on.

>>725693425
I think they could've been done better. Rubric marines are all the ones without powers like that turned to dust, but they could've had plenty of sorcerors doing the light show, and even the dust boys could have had something unique to them, like have them able to lose body parts and keep fighting so you see torsos dragging themselves towards the enemy and headless suits still blasting.

>>725696819
So you can’t, got it.

>>725695182
desu they should have dropped PvP entirely to focus more on PvE launch content. There was no way they could do both with the resources they had, so might as well drop one for the other.

>>725696986
You made the claim that reporting suspected heretic astartes is only allowed if you report them to the chaplain of the same company you're in. You then failed to substantiate it with any shred of lore or in-universe proof, so I am going to ignore you until you do that.

>>725677547
Tiny brown pecker*
Be honest about yourself brownoid

>>725692950
>pic
They’re talking about BWC

>>725697253
Oh so you DONT have a source, is that correct?
no proof at all?
>is only allowed
mmmmm sorry buddy but I am gonna need a source on that.
I called him a bitch for jumping the command structure without just cause because he was already mad about being cucked over his book.

Looks like you dont have any sources and just twist things to fit your argument

>>725697253
He linked Leandros himself talking about his role regarding heresy?

>>725697445
You're the one who made the claim, the burden of proof is on you. Are you so brown you don't know how discussion works?

>>725697591
>still no source
huh?
I posted proof. You never responded to it because you didn't want to be wrong.

are you gonna respond to this guy posting his codex >>725697161 or did you really not read any codex's ever on top of being a little bitch?

>>725697721
The thing you linked is not the thing we're discussing. I am not asking you whether the role of the chaplain is to oversee and judge his brothers, I am asking whether there is any hard rule in any 40k story or codex that says you're only allowed to report suspected astartes treachery to chaplains and nobody else. That was what you claimed, and nothing you posted supports it.

>>725693220
giwtwm

>>725697395
>BWC
Big White (Scar) Cock

>>725698057
You mean the codexes that you don’t have yet claimed to have?

>>725698057
>not the thing we're discussing
Its literally the center point of what we are discussing.
How does the astartes procedure of suspicion of heresy magically not involve the very people who were making sure the LEGIONS weren't being heretics pre horus-heresy back when the psyker ban was put in place????
>pic related
So.
>no source
>lies about what was said
>pretending the argument isn't about leandros because leandros tanks your own argument about leandros
>didn't read any codex's
>lied about ignoring me

>>725698091
You want to be an ogryn riding eldar cock?

>>725698406
So here we are circling back to the previously reached conclusion - if you have to make up nonexistent lore without any evidence to justify your anger at a fictional character, I dunno it might just be a skill issue on your part. Try an easier setting like Star Wars.

>>725698916
Hey faggot stop trying to avoid answering the question about if you have a codex.
You asked that guy to post, and refused to post yours.
also respond to >>725698550

>>725699078
He is trying to disengage from the argument because he knows he is retarded.

He is trying to speak from a higher place as "above it all" despite trying to argue on 4chan about it.

Because he is wrong.

>>725673445 (OP)
Leandros hides Titus' Black Shield status to avoid discord within the company, reacts to the Avarax debacle (in which Titus' squadmate nearly shoots him in the head before shooting the last remaining astropath) by just giving them a mild scolding when he could've imprisoned/killed everyone involved, and he recommended Titus when the Chapter Master wanted the best of the best for a mission. The old grudge is clearly still there but Leandros is fairly lenient overall, he seems to genuinely want to see Titus to succeed as much as he still resents him.


The real asshole in SM2 was the scottish captain Acheran.
>I trust the Mechanicus knows what to do with this mysterious chaos artifact coveted by a daemon prince, let's help them
>you want to kill the Hive Tyrant - killing or crippling all Tyranid forces - then call Calgar for backup so the heretics don't kill us all? I'm not letting your stupid plan endanger my men, best I can do is 3-6 guys because I need to save the rest of the company for a battle we're fully expecting to lose
>shut up about Graia Titus, I don't want to hear your first-hand personal experience - I can hand you back to the Inquisition wheneve I want, you know

Think they will be fun to fight in 3?
I don't really like fighting Thousand Sons and I imagine these guys will be pretty similar mechanically.

>>725683650
>"snitch" (literal nigger language)
Snitch dates back to 1785, and referred to informants for the British monarchy. It's about as white as you can get.
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/snitch_n?tab=meaning_and_use#22174236

>>725699557
You keep replying to yourself with the most retarded reaches to try and justify your shitty character not being an asshole yet you refuse to say what about him you actually like? Is this just blind contrarianism?

>>725699935
Considering it's Saber who hasn't learned a single thing from the PVE feedback the past 2 years. Necrons entire gimmick will be you have to kill everything twice.

>>725697161
>nu-dex
Cringe.

Damn that Leandros shill just ran and hid like a BITCH

>>725699963
nah, he has a point in Leandros mellowing out.
I personally consider him an eternal bitch for his behavior in the first game.
He clearly grew up over the centuries, and it would be strange otherwise.

>>725699963
That was my second post in this thread, the first being >>725689524. Take your meds, whichever schizo tranny you are.

>>725698550
>Its literally the center point of what we are discussing.
It "literally" is not. We were not discussing whether it is the position of the chaplain to oversee and judge his brothers, we were discussing whether there is any hard rule in any 40k story or codex that says you're only allowed to report suspected astartes treachery to chaplains. There is a distinction there and if you are above 80 IQ you should be able to spot it.

You originally claimed this: "The Codex Astartes states that if a space marine suspects one of his battlebrothers of corruption, he is to discretely report it to the company Chaplain" and was asked repeatedly to offer any proof or passage from a novel or the Codex to support your claim. You failed to do so, you keep failing to do so even though it was you who made this claim therefore up to you to support it with proof, now you're trying to move the goalpost and deflect to a related topic. Unless you give me an actual quote or passage or piece of lore that says it is a violation of brotherhood or the Codex to report a suspected heretic astartes to the Inquisition, I will no longer reply to anything you write here.

Again, if you have to make up nonexistent lore without any evidence to justify your anger at a fictional character, try an easier setting like Star Wars.

>all this whining about traitors and heresy
>meanwhile, the Rogue Trader in the Koronus Expanse

>>725700530
>It "literally" is not.
oh so you are just opening up with being retarded
>still no source
damn that sucks dude
look try actually READING some lorebooks, maybe going over the proof that was posted?

Perhaps you are warp-tainted?
You seem unable to notice anything that contradicts your arguments, like when you demand people post codexes and they do (so now its your turn) or when evidence is posted that contradicts you

>Again, if you have to make up nonexistent lore without any evidence to justify your anger at a fictional character, try an easier setting like Star Wars.
Nigger that was the codex guy?
Are you so assblasted that you entered the "everyone proving me wrong is ONE GUY REEE" phase?

>>725700031
Isn't that literally the only gimmick they have with reanimation protocols? Besides teleporting for Deathmarks, that is.

>>725674914
Everytime the imperial vs storm stormcloaks argument comes up, lots of retards rush in to give their garbage opinion on how racism of the stormcloaks is heckin bad

>>725700943
I just don't like the stormcloak armor desu

>>725700703
Rogue Trader is hilarious as shit with the stuff you can get away with.

>>725674103
>[fecaloid blabbering]
Did not read.

You can tell >>725700530 is a newfag to 40k because he thinks having skub fights over lore is unsuited for the setting lmao

40k fandom has an entire fan-made chapter dedicated to nerdrage and this wierdo is trying to pretend that sort of thing is for star wars.

>>725701506
He didn't fucking deserve it.

>>725673445 (OP)
Because faggots can't handle being held up to their own standards.

Leandros makes retards seethe because he's 100% right about everything

THE PRIMARCH REBORN DEMANDS THE GAYEST SHIT IMAGINABLE

>>725690687
>Leagues of Nuhammer
>Cooler than anything
Please put more effort into your bait.

>>725694583
>>725694378
>>725694824
You all fail to understand being ratted out by your brother to the papa government is the greatest sin. Fuck the codex and the fag who blindly assumed Titus became corrupt without any evidence of ill intent.

>>725673445 (OP)
Alot of new people and secondaries played space marine 2 and don't understand that chaos is completly un-redemable from except for death.

If Roboute Guilliman hates the Imperial Church, how does he feel about Ultramarine Chaplains like Leandros?

>>725693856
Weren't the Chaos Marines from SM1 basically Khornefags?

>>725703629
The same way he feels about the adeptus ministorum, he just lets their shit stay because trying to do the slightest form of reform or outing the fact that the stupid religion book of the imperium was written by a TRAITOR PRIMARCH would implode the imperium inside out

>>725703549
this wasn't about chaos, it was about warp resistance.

>>725672012
>>725672150
A lot of the heresy had to do with
>The results of Monarchia and the Word Bearers' reaction to it, which subsequently led to the seeding of warrior lodges among chapters
>The prime victim of the above was Horus
>Emperor being a bad dad and not really dealign with the likes of Angron, Kurze, Mortarion, and Perturabo
>Council of Nikaea didn't help with Magnus
>Also Emperor not even revealing the webway project after Ullanor

>>725690464
bro?
Sisters of Battle?
they literally heal from wounds by praying
Titus as a pseudo Emperor's Champion isn't too far fetched
also Titus gives 0 fucks. he has no real rage, he doesn't care about his body, he doesn't strive to be perfect or scheme. he's not a blank, the warp can't inflict that much on him.

>>725673445 (OP)
>If you want to beat your enemies you have to think like them
>That's heresy, get executed.
Serving the emperor is a catch 22

>>725674208
If he's pure the Emperor will protect him. If he's tainted and allowed to leave billions, possibly trillions will die.

Easy choice.

>>725703751
A bit
Nemeroth was kind of a sorcerer but his cult summoned Bloodletters
Dawn of War was more Khorne coded with Berzerkers and Bloodthirsters

>>725683650
cops won't respect you even if you're a white, male, heterosexual, law-abiding citizen, the thin blue line means cops vs the world and they see everybody as an enemy

>>725695180
Technically no. Guilliman ordered a general reconquest of the ultramar sector, Titus's job is the "warden of ultramar" is to babysit the newly captured worlds. Main enemy will be a new necron force that is apparently the source of the scourge virus for necron.

>>725702080
Fulgrim but female and loyalist and has to make ammends for the betrayal.

>>725704038
Everyone knows that the Death Watch keep extensive records of Xenos artwork for.......Anti-Xenos Research.

>>725691124
gorila suit did make jokes back then though, is he a heretic?

>>725704038
>Ultramench adopting his daddy's taste in women
Nice, maybe they'll recruit the literal blueberry race next.

>>725673445 (OP)
Titus just got promoted, by SM3 he'll be Chapter Master

>>725706275
T'au are ugly, real ugly, and are made for Custodes dick

>>725706401
>Calgar dies in an article

>>725700943
I sided with the imperials because I liked Balgruuf.
Simple as that.

>>725692902
40kids can't stay in their containment board and have to talk about warhammer 24/7 because reading anything that isn't Warhammer is too hard for them.

>>725673445 (OP)
i wish this game would become $10 already so I can play it.

>>725706401
Titus is absolutely getting his own Ultramarine Chapter.

>>725700530
Warhammer lore on the internet isn't real. It's a collective hallucination. The internet says all humans in Warhammer hate aliens even though there are comics where humans and aliens team up. Therefore humans hare aliens in Warhammer. The internet says Space Marines can't report things to the inquisition, therefore they can't.

I really hate how this game and most Warhammer media portray space marines as noble heroes most of the time and it's actually just the inquisition who are the mean extremists. Warhammer is a franchise for pussies who want to larp as edgelords but it's popular so we have to have this shit shoved into our faces for the next 100 years.

>>725707526
>and it's actually just the inquisition who are the mean extremists
I mean, they ARE the big extremist retards who are probably THE biggest hypocrites in all of 40k's factions.

>>725703471
Shut the fuck up, your dad was autistic.

>>725707526
That's because Ultramarines are poster boys.
You'd never get an Iron Hands game for other reasons too.

>>725708506
Taldeer's VA being in SC2 as well felt odd.
I dare not mention her OTHER major role.

>>725708362
>>725708437
>>725708506
Filthy xeno is only going to get one thing only: Big Ogryn Dih

>>725703629
Chaplains aren't agents of the Ministorum, they exist to maintain the Chapter's loyalty to Terra and the traditions of their Chapter

>>725703471
>Posts the guys who literally helped the Inquisitor seize Titus

>>725704213
>necrons set up to job once again
my poor skelly bros can't catch a break

>>725700943
the stormcloak jarls are all insane, schizos, assholes, or in the case of the riften lady useless
by that alone I'm not siding with them

>>725707526
Killing je- demon worshippers is good though.

>>725708556
If Eldar stopped using the M-word would the Imperium be more friendly?

>>725694378
This is actually a based perspective. I want to see leandros show he's the most loyal to Titus's reinstatement as captain.

>>725695949
I don't know what's going on, I just like the Iron Hands because they're giant cyborgs and their primarch is Dean Malenko

>>725689251
Always disagreed with this concept. Horus wasn't the favored primarch, he was given the position because big E thought he needed it to remain loyal. Like in ancient Roman times, its the equivalent of an emperor giving generals land and positions for service to keep them happy. It is self evident Sanguinius was the favored son. He was so noble and pure of heart he didn't need to be Warmaster. Horus was always a bit full of himself. Horus was also an idiot. The books almost spell out he wasn't corrupted by the magic devil dildo blade, he was already corrupted a long time before that when he was wanting to fuck around and be peaceful with xenos because he clearly knew better than big E.

>>725689251
>>725712989
He was found first.

>>725682156
Despite the memes, the entire setting is not an unironic Kafka Trap. In fact, the characters that use such Kafka Traps are the ones who fall the hardest.

>>725694378
Wrong. He watches over Titus and praises the Emperor on his recovery because if Titus dies being promoted to a Primaris then Titus dies unstained as a returned brother who proved himself many times over. Leandros cannot see Titus fall and redeem himself for his betrayal of Titus, the 2nd Company, and the Chapter, if Titus dies before being thrown back into the crucible of war.

>>725694378
I'll remind everyone that he was pretty pissed at Gadriel for even trying to kill Titus, his superior officer.

>>725693273
GW mostly failed to capitalize on them even being in SM2 at all. I mean they've gotten NOTHING
I imagine the choice to use 1ksons was when their line was still new but they probably should have just went with Deathguard instead. a chaos faction GW actually cares about
>>725693856
GW has given Khorne a lot of stuff this edition but for nothing that people actually want
what we got was Eightbound leader, chicken leg jackals, and actually good stuff trapped in AoS. Sorry no red butchers

>>725707526
Hey secondary, the empire is 1 million planets. The range in characterization is so vast you can have the empire be the bad guys and the good guys in the same setting. There are space marines who are such dogooders they make superman look like a prick, and chapters so fucking evil they could make cannibal chaos worshippers look like a reasonable option.

>>725710175
no, because the word is a reflection of how they view humans.
as unevolved monkeys meant to be disposable meatshields for the eldar race.
the eldar have manipulated and backstabbed and just straight up fought humanity far too often for easy cooperation, even after saving Guilliman.
they were straight up allowing the horus heresy to happen, hoping it would kill the emperor and trigger a chain of events that would kill off humanity but starve chaos into torpor in the process.
this would then allow the eldar to rise up and reclaim their empire.

>>725675152
Then Leandros is also a heretic. To a certain degree.

>>725700129
Prove it fag

>>725718556
Inaction is heresy. Have you seen that "cool" SM2 Chaplain even once lead his brothers in a war that DID kill many of them off? No, and unlike captain Acheran who at least pretended to be useful by staying at the command screen all the time and alloting you all 2-5 men he could spare, he just frolicked in his chapel only to come out into the corridors sometimes and do nothing useful.

Say what you want about SM1 Leandros but at least he wasn't afraid to fight, dumb NPC follower style.

>>725718556
technically if Titus had been found guilty of actual heresy he WOULD be considered guilty as well due to being his subordinate.
If Titus were actually bad enough that say, he had to be stricken from the records, it would have been Leandros who took the black shield and got stuck in the Death Watch for centuries.

>>725695169
>tfw Eldar are so weak and pathetic they aren't the main once glorious but dying race now
Necrons bested them yet again... They are probably hogging all the animation too.

>>725719747
Innocence proves nothing. We must purge brother Leandros just in case.

>>725673445 (OP)
Most W40k fags are reddit fedora soibois who hate religion, white people, and western civilization.

>>725707526
I call it reddit core

They pretend to be edgy but then when they see wrong speak or something they shit their pants

>>725709540
The Silent King did just kick Guilliman's ass though.

Which is the best miniature to paint as a noob?
I've always liked how the Orks looked.

Is Acheran the worst ultramarine captain ever?
>Does nothing besides stare at his green geoscape like a shitty xcom letsplayer
>Dismisses any crucial information Titus has
>His famous line
>The moment he actually steps out of a ship and does something its just him dying to the most low tier dreg army possible (not even purestrain genestealers, just the guys with power tools and a dream)
>Takes Chairon and the rest of his men with him too
Genuinely how did this guy manage to not choke on his own spit
>>725720812
Necrons and it's no contest

Don't mind me. Just being too perfect for this bitch of a world.

john pork