Thread 725678816

>>725678816 (OP)
as it should be. Graphics fags need to be put in concentration camps.

>>725678816 (OP)
GOOD

>>725678816 (OP)
>implying graphics haven't stagnated in the past 10 years
We're at the point where graphics are completely and utterly irrelevant
Art direction is king in this era

>>725678816 (OP)
>the evolution of graphics
kek

>>725678816 (OP)
We hit peak graphics a decade ago. Style works better than realism for vidya.

OP, that's a very good thing. Look at the past 5 years and tell me raytracing and AI "upscalers" are a good thing.

The new Steam Machine is 3x+ as powerful as most PCs connected to Steam, according to Steam hardware surveys.

>>725678816 (OP)

When will you graphics fags learn that its style before graphics.

>>725679342
It could beat a third world potato any day!

>>725678816 (OP)
Devs don't even care about pushing the limits of GPUs anymore, they just use the existence of the really expensive ones+upscalers as an excuse to not optimize jack shit.

>>725679342
but no AI tools though

actually devs need to optimize what they already started

2019 games were peak desu

More graphics mean line go up
And line must ALWAYS go up

>>725679587
>it can't produce fake graphics
oh no!

>>725678816 (OP)
Good, now framerates can catch up.

>>725678816 (OP)
You're welcome.

>>725678816 (OP)
Based. We should have better gameplay experiences prioritized first.

>>725679791
all graphics are computer generated retard

>>725678816 (OP)
wait do you want MORE GRAPHICS?

The Gabecube has significantly more powerful hardware than the majority of PC gamers.
And runs circles around Nintendo's tablet.

>>725679438
Stronger hardware just means they can hire incompetent employees for less money.

I do not care about graphical fidelity. Thank you Valve and Nintendo for being sane and consumer friendly in this regard.

>>725679071
fpbp

>>725678816 (OP)
>can't render the chin stubble on the xhe/xhem main characters anymore
Good

>>725678816 (OP)
I mostly play 2D games. I'm part of the problem.

>>725679916

MOAR PIXELS TO SELL MOAR BIGGER TEEVEES

>>725680106
*solution

>>725678816 (OP)
Graphic fidelity has peaked. There's no longer a discernible advantage to more powerful hardware besides "more thing on screen". Art direction and aesthetics are all that matter now.

Engaging with a ragebait thread but:
1)nintendo isn't really doing that. Their games don't release on other platforms and the ports to switch are downgraded to run on it
2)we don't need more slop to run badly like ue5 does now

>>725678816 (OP)
Thank God dude. We've capped out, enthusiasts need to fuck off because you arent the norm. You & your youtube ilk have fucked everything for everyone

There's literally no reason for a game to have better graphics than Devil May Cry 3.

>>725679071
Holy based

>>725678816 (OP)
Graphics have been good enough for more than 10 years.

>>725678816 (OP)
good

>snoys care more about how many pores you can see on a bipoc trans albino folk than games
lol

>>725678816 (OP)
>"BUT MUH GRAPHICS"
This meme is the reason why GTA6 has taking a decade to make while getting delayed each year

>>725680946
What's stopping you from modding san andreas into a magnus opus wise guy?

>>725678816 (OP)
>Now Valve is apparently is apart of this faggot ritual posting
>5 hours after all 3 devices released

>>725678816 (OP)
>AAAIIIIEEEE I NEED MY 8K ULTRAREALISTIC SLOP RUNNING AT 12 FPS

>>725678816 (OP)
Good
Devs should be forced to optimize their shit

>>725678816 (OP)
The hardware is fine. maybe game devs could be less shit and actually optimize their games?

>>725678816 (OP)
*brown hands clapping*
This is a good thing Saars. It means the rest of th world gets to catch up!

>>725681306
But this wont force them to do anything but continue to lazily make shitty ps4 ports?

>>725681701
>no saaaar this cardboard box needing 10 thousand polygons saaar!

>>725678816 (OP)
Graphics are honestly good enough for now lol. What more do you really need?

>>725682240
Kill yourself, Saar

>>725679071
fpbp

>>725678816 (OP)
that's not the unreal engine logo

>>725679071
/thread

>>725679071
Fpbp

throw bricks at graphicwhores

>>725678816 (OP)
it's neither of these companies fault if the new spiderman on ps5 looks virtually identical to the previous one despite releasing on much more powerful hardware and costing three times more money to make

face it snoyjeets, your company chose wrong and lost, cope about it

>>725682361
I don't better graphics than that, unironically

>>725679342
It only has 8.9 TeraFLOPS.

>>725683247
Sure thing ESL-kun

We've made it to where games look good enough. Pointless to keep chasing photorealism, we need more experimental shit and bold art direction.

>>725678816 (OP)
Why Valve? Half Life Alyx is still the best looking VR game to this day.

>>725682361
Cherry picked shit from shif developer

>>725683823
Steam Deck forces devs to focus on things other than being able to count the individual pores and strands of hair on a character's face.

>>725678816 (OP)
Huh? I thought PS already won...?

>>725678816 (OP)
Modern games look putrid though.

>>725678816 (OP)
Faster diminishing returns, maybe.

>>725678816 (OP)
SYBAU tendie

>>725683381
was just a typo, difficult to proof-read my posts while I am fucking your mom

>>725678816 (OP)
Standard AAA developers making games for 480p and expecting AI to upscale everything are going to hold back the evolution of graphics. At least Nintendo is actually making their own content.

Graphicsfags ruined video games. Your fucking obsession with foliage and textures ruined an entire generation of video games when we should have been prioritizing high frame rates at our current, commonly used resolutions. We hit the fucking peak of graphics like 10 years ago. You deserve nothing.

>>725689998
>entire generation
More like three generations of video games. Four, if you count the PS5 Pro and whatever the newest XBONE are as a new generation.

>>725678816 (OP)
Good.

>>725679071
fpbp
>>725678816 (OP)
graphicsfags should be flogged in the streets like the cunts they are

>>725678816 (OP)
Graphics haven't evolved in the past 10 years so why should we expect them to evolve in the next 10 years?

>>725679071
I still haven't seen a game release in the PS5/X-Series that looks as good and runs as efficient as Arkham Knight. All devs should be forced to use whatever black magic games from 2015 were using.

>>725679071
fpbp

>>725679071
flippity bippity

>>725678816 (OP)
This is a game from 2018

>>725679071
fpbp

barely any noticeable improvements in graphics over the last decade

>>725678816 (OP)
uhh based, graphix fags need to perish
anyway whenever you give devs more power they just somehow piss it away until we're back to sub-1080p unstable 30fps again

>>725691332
Wow, graphics really haven't improved since 2007, huh?

>>725679906
>ignores the point
oh no!

>>725678816 (OP)
>*already has achieved real life graphics*
heh, nothing personnel

>>725679071
This, rarely anyone talks about this since streamers have done a great job on putting the average joe mindset into
>Shinnier graphics = good
When in reality AAA vidia stagnated hard when they entered on this endless race of checking who got the fancier graphics reaching a peak point during the ps4 era, even pc got affected by it.

>>725678816 (OP)
>muhhhhh graffifxxxxxxx
copout for shit games

>>725679071
This. Grafixfaggots are a cancer on this industry and the reason why AAA games are taking 10 years and 500 gorillion dollars to develop and then run like shit on high-end hardware.

>>725678816 (OP)
Good

>>725678816 (OP)
realistic graphics are not ideal

>>725678816 (OP)
Appealing art style>realism graphic chasing

>>725678816 (OP)
Good. Hardware needs to stagnate for a decade until retarded software developers can catch up and stop negating every new leap forwards in hardware.

>>725679071
Based

it's funny because even sony are starting to prepare their retarded fans for the inevitable

just look at the astrobot push last year or shawn layden and shuhei yoshida giving a bunch of interviews recently basically saying that graphics have hit a plateau and that budgets have exploded for no discernible results

>>725679071
as always, fpbp

>>725691050
You have a faulty memory because Arkham Knight ran like absolute shit at release. It looks great but it only runs well now due to being able to brute force good performance out of it.

>>725692740
>streamers
buddy, people thought shinier graphics = good long before streamers entered the picture.

>>725679071
I KNEEL

>>725694495
>You have a faulty memory because Arkham Knight ran like absolute shit at release.
No I conveniently chose not to remember in all fairness. Even then I think performance was just one of it's issues at release. But still if it can be done it should be done.

>>725678816 (OP)
Graphics peaked like 10 years ago, all technology is already here, it is just a matter of an artistic skill at this point.

>>725679071
Why waste the time making a camp? Find a few of those "bottomless" pits and throw them in. Nature was kind enough to provide us with these problem solvers. All the trash goes in. The graphics fags,the pedos, the libertarians, the browns, the women all go in the pit. Get in the fucking pit.

>>725679071
FPBP

>>725679071
baseded
furthermore additional power is really not needed

>>725678816 (OP)
You don't need more then 1080p which is why PC gamers play at that

Hmm I can play new games that don't run well on what the steam hardware survey would still consider a mid tier PC. Or I can play old games that are actually worth your time that run flawlessly on my computer. I'll take the old game with dated graphics please.

What us PCfags don't like to admit is the majority of people are still playing on computers that get outperformed by PS5. On the high it runs circles around the current console generation. The majority people on PC can't beat a PS5 in a head to head contest.

https://www.ign.com/articles/valve-says-it-has-a-pretty-good-idea-of-what-steam-deck-2-is-going-to-be-explains-why-its-holding-off-for-now

Steam Deck 2 based on Medusa Point?

>>725679187
>Art direction is king in this era
Wym, every game is face scan garbage

>>725682361
That's just Game Freak being retarded. Nintendo is way more competent.

>>725678816 (OP)
There's nothing to evolve. In fact, we're actually going backwards because of frame gen. The only real step forward to take is frame rates. Improving graphics any more than they are is prohibitively expensive and the ROI for even a 5% increase is abysmal. e.g.,
>C graphics cost $100
>B graphics cose $500
>A graphics cost $50,000
>AA graphics cost $5,000,000
... the cost in time and money for those small leaps in graphical fidelity increases exponentially until you get to the point that it's just not fucking worth it and no one will really tell the difference anyway. That's where we are now. Aside from frame rate, better visuals in the future will be technological leaps, such as projection systems or AR. It won't be about what's on the TV screen, but what's not.

>>725678816 (OP)
Meanwhile in reality Sony and MS only just started making games exclusively for the latest hardware instead of everything being a last gen port.

>>725698280
If I was 2nd place guy I would turn that shit right off and uninstall it kek

Graphics aren't important. The extra processing power should be used to add things that wouldn't be possible on decade old hardware like destructible environments, hundreds of NPCs being on screen at once, physics engines, and so on.

As long as there aren't any glaring flaws with the visuals, I don't give a shit how the game looks. I would much rather have interesting gameplay than for games to look even 50% better than they do now.

>>725699076
I've seen worse. That guy took the turn too wide at the end of the race and got punished for it. This guy, however...

>>725678816 (OP)
valve has bad graphics?

>>725678816 (OP)
Based, like the anon says the future belongs to thema

>>725678816 (OP)
It's actually Sony and Microsoft that hold back graphics by chasing resolutions. BOTW was more impressive than anything on those other consoles lol.

I say this as a PC gamer that emulated it mind you.

>>725679071
put them in reeducation camps about artstyle triumphing graphics

>>725699630
OUT
FUCKIN
SKILLED

>>725698720
>There's nothing to evolve.
you fucking retards have been saying this for 20 years
there's still plenty to improve

>>725678816 (OP)
PC gaming is more than graphics.
Mods is a big part of it, but you can also do other shit with a PC than you could with a console, and that alone makes it worth it.
That being said, there's no standard with PC gaming, and the Steam Machine could be a decent standard, an affordable entry level for new PC gamers to become comfortable with PC gaming. It could be a standard for developers, if they develop games around it, then most folks would be able to play those games. There's always going to be developers that want to push graphics to the limit, they aren't going away. Who knows, Valve could release a more expensive and more powerful version in a few years.
Chin up, dude. It'll be alright. Personally, I'm not interested in the Steam machine, but there could be some positives.

>>725694495
And yet modern games require even more "brute force" to look worse. Knight being poorly optimized just makes this situation even sadder

>>725700996
That doesn't look good...

>>725678816 (OP)
Thank fucking CHRIST a company that doesn't hate my guts is doing some of the work.

>>725701091
okay and yet no game looks anywhere near that and pixar or reality is still a benchmark that's over a decade away at least

>>725678816 (OP)
>*makes nu devs seethe and having to learn to code to optimize in you're path*

>>725700996
i move like this in real life

>>725679071
Based beyond belief!

>>725679071
fippy bippy

>>725700450
This, Half-Life 3 is about to do it again. Losing the PlayStation and Xbox will only benefit gaming by large.

>>725701619
>Half-Life 3 is about to do it again.
haha yeah... any day now

>>725701839
What can I say, the man likes his yachts.

>>725678816 (OP)
Graphics are pretty neat, but I think I'm content with where we're at right now.
We're already seeing diminishing returns and I honestly don't think the next generation is going to look mind-boggling.