Thread 725703680

Was this game as bad as they said? I heard it killed the Battle Network series but I doubt it was that horrible.

>>725703680 (OP)
3 is probably the best/ most popular one and 4 sucks cock, so they fumbled right at the most important moment. mega man never recovered from this.

It's fine. A bit on the boring side, but it's about average for a Battle Network game. The biggest problem is that the main plot of the game is a tournament-arc, so you're forced to do the daily whatever and then you'll return to fight the associated boss in the tournament setting. It's not really bad, just kind of mediocre.

The real problem is if you want to 100% the game, because then you need to replay it three times. And here's where the real problem comes up: Along with the regular mainline stories, there are six "tournament" stories and each playthru you'll see three of them. Not a huge deal with the first playthru. However, you're guaranteed to replay one of those in the second playthru and you'll have to replay two of them in the third playthru. So if you're trying to 100% the game, you'll end up not only replaying the regular story content repeatedly, but also replaying the same tournament arcs over and over again. It gets pretty old pretty fast, especially compared to MMBN3 which just had additional content at the end of the game.

There's also a concern if you're trying to grab a specific soul, because it might not actually show up until the end of the third playthru. So you're more likely to not bother trying to hope for a specific one. (even if some are ridiculously good)

>>725706224
>(even if some are ridiculously good)
More like all of them are tied to Red Sun. Blue Moon has nothing that really compares to the immediate, braindead power that Search Soul and Roll Soul bring to the table.
The closest things Blue Moon has are Wood Soul and Junk Soul but the former eats shit the instant the faintest ember even grazes you and the latter requires RNG and knowing how to trash Dark Chips, which you can only access by doing poorly and Junk Soul has the worst Charge Shot in the game.

>>725703680 (OP)
They rushed it for the Christmas season and recently they did the same mistake again with Wilds by rushing it so it affects the fiscal year.

>>725703680 (OP)
>It killed the battle network series
No it didn't it just massively overperformed relative to the other entries for market reasons and retards invented a narrative around it

>>725707009
What? It sold well because BN3 was godlike and people were hyped only to get shit in the face and become extremely mad which let them to not buy BN5.

>>725703680 (OP)
It's only "bad" if you are an autistic nitpicker with a stick up your ass. Otherwise it is good.

>>725703680 (OP)
3x playthru bad
didn't kill it but it certainly neutered the future potential of the series

>>725703680 (OP)
4 would have been fine if they didn't pull the whole "have to play the game like 3 times to get everything" shit they never did in any other game

>>725707405
It did kill the series, BN could never recover from the damage BN4 did to its reputation which made BN5 sell terribly and as result Capcom decided to end it all with BN6. The same happened with StarForce 2 and now with MH Wilds.

>>725706651
It's honestly been awhile, so I don't remember the best ones. The only one I do remember is Metal Soul, and that's because you could charge the hockey pucks and basically one-shot nearly anything. Especially if you get it in the middle or one of the corners, since you can ricochet it far more times than normal that way.

>>725707545
BM5 was kind of shit and I don't see how it could've been popular regardless of how good BN4 was.

>>725707814
>regardless of how good BN4 was.
Don't you mean how "bad" it was?

>>725707545
BN5 certainly didn't help either
going through the whole game with v1 chips is ass, ass I say!
and that samurai minigame is unreasonably hard for a shitty fucking reason

full synchro was the wrong direction for the series, there I said it
that shit is way too broken and also made PAs all but irrelevant

>>725708192
>also made PAs all but irrelevant
What? Full Synchro makes PA hit for double damage.

i like bn4 but a lot of the chips are kinda bad. its really noticeable if you are playing blue moon and also have the downside of not having any of the good soul unisons to play with, so you end up having to try and fight the hyperactive ass boss navis with shit like the stupid musical notes and weak ass vulcan guns. you also don't get free navi chips like roll and gutsman to help provide safe damage, so you really are just on your fucking own out there

>>725708024
bn5 is the best in the series
>>725708192
PAs are still very good

my thread may die and im going to sleep but i'm gonna ask this anyways
Why is the virtual world and technology no longer a cool concept in 2025? fighting people with sci fi magic will ALWAYS be fucking cool and yet nobody wants to touch it anymore. is it because of that motherfucking clint eastwood and his fucking ready player fucker

>>725708791
BN6 is the best, it finally gave Megaman a cool battle sprite.

>>725703680 (OP)
tying enemy level to playthrough count was a huge mistake. This way you only ever get v1 chips on your first playthrough which limits how many chips you see in a regular playthrough while also making it so all of the PAs that use level 1 2 3 of the same chip aren't available.

>>725706224
Your pic made me remember that Lan crated Megaman Jr. For his son Patch by "combining Megaman.EXE and Roll.EXE programs", lewd.

one good thing I can say about 4, the music slapped

>>725710618
The final boss music is extremely lame, though.

>>725710821
meteor comp makes up for it

>>725703680 (OP)
It's a normal cattle filter game. Normal cattle could not wrap their head around NG+.

>>725703680 (OP)
>I heard it killed the Battle Network series but I doubt it was that horrible.
4 sold the most so no.

>>725711457
It only sold well because BN3 was good so people were expecting BN4 to also be good, only after buying it every learned it was shit. Sounds familiar? That is exactly what is happening with Monster Hunter Wilds, it sold extremely well on is opening week, people realized it was shit and its sales crashed down a 95%.

>>725703680 (OP)
yes, barring bn 1 and maybe 2 its one of the worst one. it didnt kill the series cause it still had releases after this.

the only people that say this game is good or fine are retards that havent played it since they were a child

>>725711729
Good game with some of the worst folder customization in the series. Very few endgame relevant decks.

>>725703680 (OP)
>bn4 killed the battle network series.
I wouldn't be surprised.
BN1: Woodman
BN2: Quickman, Heatman, and Airman
BN3: Flashman, Bubbleman, and Woodman
BN4: I think I forgot something. If you forgot, then it wasn't important. Yeah, you're right.

>>725708986
>Why is the virtual world and technology no longer a cool concept in 2025?
Because most of the interesting things we could gain from a virtual world have been demystified by things like AR or VR and our experience with The Internet of Things. We also have video games, TV shows, and movies in general that have somewhat lessened that impact from such a concept.

Technology has lost favor because we've all experienced the countless negatives it brings to society that people have mostly stopped being impressed, especially since companies aren't really trying to innovate anymore.
>Enormous loss of jobs due to the AI push with no fallback or plan for when it truly hits society that like 60+% of jobs can be automated or made redundant.
>Lack of social cohesion due to being exposed to the entire world instead of just a small community of people you would have prior to it in addition to constantly seeing negative aspects of other cultures more often than positive aspects.
>The feedback loop you can get yourself into because of targeted advertising and search optimization tailored to you.
>Brain drain and massive loss of attention span due to short-form content.
>Everything exists to try and get your information or advertise to you.
>The Internet of Things showing us how terrible technology is when it pervades every aspect of your life and how it can lead to worse products due to the need to force it into everything.
>Whenever something new comes out it's mostly small iterations on things now instead of something massive as seen in the smartphone industry as well as consoles.
Very rarely do you have shake ups like the foldable phones and the Switch, and even then foldable phones are terrible.
>Everything is heavily policed when you do try to take advantage of it making you feel like every discussion is walking on eggshells.
>Actual fake information and conspiracies are peddled to you regularly and it's up to you to sift through the nonsense.

>>725703680 (OP)
It’s just sooo fucking boring man. How do you make a game themed around net battle tournaments and it fucking sucks

>>725703680 (OP) (OP)
>bn4 killed the battle network series.
I wouldn't be surprised.
BN1: Woodman
BN2: Quickman, Heatman, and Airman
BN3: Flashman, Bubbleman, and Metalman
BN4: I think I forgot something. If you forgot, then it wasn't important. Yeah, you're right.

I don't think megaman battle network 5 gets enough shit.
>Only get level 1 chips in the story
>Need to unlock level 2 in the post game
>Then to grind around the whole world for chips.
>And again for level 3
I'm glad they knocked that shit off and made bn6 one of the best in the series because fuck what a slog.
Also liberation missions were kinda shit, your allies were just megaman with level 1 busters and barely any customization so they relied entirely on your folder. They also became annoying after they introduced traps.

Hi
Just being the only Battle Chip that matters
Feeling cute

>>725712341
This is my biggest knock against BN4. It made a design decision so bad that it ruined the sequel as well. BN4 & 5 were the worst games in the series, yes worse than one, because they decided on the 3 play-through gimmick for BN4.

I just realized the BN collection is incomplete, it doesn't have the phone games or the game cube game.

I must be the only person who likes 6.

>>725712628
Literally everyone loves 6.

>>725712341
my only real complaint about the liberation missions is that it feels bad to do so many battles without getting regular battle rewards from them.
they at least gave S code easy access to a bunch of good shit like >>725712441 so you at least have 1 decent code to focus on for your first playthrough.

>>725710821
I thought the final boss theme was one of the best in the entire series. It was a good mix of foreboding and energetic.

>>725712543
It doesn't have a lot of things.
>No 4.5.
>No N1 Battle or Battle Chip Challenge.
>No Battle Network WS.
>No Network Transmission.
>No Operate Shooting Star even though it's the definitive version of 1 and makes BN1 irrelevant.
>No 5 DS even though it's the superior version of 5.

>>725712441
>Almost every single enemy in 5 has an invincibility phase
yeah, air hockey is a necessity.

>>725707298
iirc. It was a buggy piece of shit that had the worst translation in a series with not all that great translations. It's the only game in the series to have a fan-made patch for bugs.

>>725712785
I'm not saying it matters but it's weirdly ranked the lowest on metacritic. I guess people were still put off after 4 and 5.

>>725712341
>>Only get level 1 chips in the story
Isn't 4 like that?

>>725713124
I've never paid attention to review scores my whole life so I wouldn't know. I've just rarely ever heard anything bad about 6 from people who've played all these games.

>>725712785
6 is my least favorite in the series because the community ruined it for me.

>>725713279
Yup. Both 4 and 5 lock you into level 1 chips. 4 makes you replay the whole story, 5 makes you go grind after the postgame. They also buff virus HP to ridiculous levels, and 5 is the game where every single virus has invincibility phases and the chip selection is kinda bad so it's pretty hard.

USE DARK CHIPS

>>725713552
Only for dark cross soul, the lore is that the other net navi soul somehow acts as a "filter" that blocks the evil of the chip and allow its power to be use safely, right?

>>725713374
where did the community touch you

>>725711198
I 100% red sun on the GBA after my 4th cart since the carts were infamously shit build quality and I was too lazy/stupid to figure it out when I was younger and 4 was always dirt cheap at game stop. The cart died about a month after I finished it. I fucking hate 4 so God damn much I skipped it when 100%ing the series when the collection came out

>>725711646
>It only sold well because BN3 was good
Whatever helps you cope buddy.

>>725713997
all 4 of his holes.

>>725713881
I have no idea. I didn't even know there was a lore explanation, and just assumed it was game mechanic. I remember some NPC mentioning Chaos Unison, but I don't remember the specifics.

>>725714176
No he's right, 3 is one of the best games in the series and 4 came out right after while people were excited for the next one and all bought 4. The disappointment was phenomenal.

>>725714227
IIRR, it was Duo himself (although his face was hidden but it was obviously him) who teach Lan and Megaman.EXE how to use chaos unison.

>>725703680 (OP)
Anyone hating on 4 is not a real fan of Megaman plain and simple, the tournament story driven narrative was exhilarating and a fresh spin instead of another "Lan goes on public outing and stumbles upon member of evil organization and has to macguffin their plans"
The Tournaments providing SoulCrosses and a wider variety of Navi Chips combined with the replayability was what made it the most enjoyable one for me, you're not just collecting, you're building on what you already had. It's not just new game+, it's new game ++. It's unlocking every single potential avenue of Megaman's power. Not to mention it has the most bosses of any game and the best Navi designs in the series as well as my personal favorite series of chips the Darkchips.

I find it more disappointing 4.5 never got localized with the Legacy Collection because it could have been so easy to just patch the game to work with the Nintendo Switch by unlocking the entire roster just like how you could unlock exclusive chips in the menu. Playing someone other than Megaman for an entire game would have made me put it over 4 as my favorite in the series.

>>725712218
If the cyber world schtick is a no-go, what sort of setting would be best for a spiritual successor of its gameplay?

>>725703680 (OP)
No, it's fine. They made 2 games after this one plus a sequel series with 3 entries, and this game had a dedicated spinoff.

Nothing killed BN. The series had a proper ending.

>>725712957
>No Operate Shooting Star even though it's the definitive version of 1 and makes BN1 irrelevant.
Why you remind me this existed? Also I just learned you can use Star Force MegaMan instead of MegaMan.EXE.

>>725714415
>spiritual successor
Fuck off.

>>725714437
>Also I just learned you can use Star Force MegaMan instead of MegaMan.EXE.
The game's not balanced for it. Teleporting to use attacks and having a permanent shield available makes him ridiculous.

>>725714415
No.

>>725714415
In a world covered by endless water...

>>725714415
Something like Yokai Watch where the spirit world exists and stuff

>>725714629
>legends with bn gameplay
shiggy

>>725714415
Could go with another trend from the 2000s and have a secret magical world that the MC can transport into.

>>725714730
Yeah, just replace chips with runes or talismans, and it would work perfectly.

>>725712957
To be fair BN collection seems tailored for GBA games, all those other games would have needed extra tweaks.

>>725713552
It's just not worth it.
Unless you have access to the secret chips, then you can use exactly one to make your max HP 999 and make Numberball hit for several hundred damage.

>>725714372
>Aquaman flooded the whole net! Help us Megaman!
>*two tournaments later*
>Mr Match and that other guy set the whole net on fire! Help us Megaman! ....Aquaman? What the fuck is an Aquaman?

>If your opponent won't show up in five minutes he'll be disqualified!
>Okay, thats enough time for me to travel to Africa to find him...

>Hey, Metalman chick from one of the last games! Remember me?!
>nopeman.exe

Hey man
sorry about all that stuff I did and will do again
can you forgive me?

I remember BN6 "panic music" playing forever in the post game, did they fix that in the collection?

>>725715337
Seems trustworthy enough.

>>725715386
Unfortunately yes. And restored the lame crossover content.

>>725715386
yes actually they stopped that lol. Thank god, it drove me nuts.

>>725715337
I remember how in the anime this guy avenged Fireman.EXE's deletion by burning to the source code its killer, Iceman.EXE.

>>725715419
UNFORTUNATELY?! DO YOU HAVE IDEA HOW FUCKING ANNOYING THAT PANIC MUSIC IS?!

>>725714730
They could do alternate versions of the Zero series bosses, like how Battle Network did for Classic. Most of them were based on mythological entities.

>>725715589
I put it on at night and sleep like a baby.
https://youtu.be/_npguGrz8g4

I want a battle network game with Zero.exe

>>725715810
Network Transmission's time to shine

>>725715419
Fun fact: the bokai crossover wasn't removed in the original BN6 because "the west doesn't give a shit about bokai" but because they ran out of space to add English words in the localization, something needed to be sacrificed and the crossover was the less damaging option.

>>725716058
Funner fact: despite releasing late 2005/early 2006 and after 5DS, 6 is still on an 8MB ROM. I don't doubt their space bullshit but it was not the primary reason.

>>725715810
Anon...
https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Zero.EXE

>>725714294
>No he's right
Nope.

>>725716169
It was stupid to release it on the GBA when the DS already existed and after they already made a BN for DS.

>>725715517
*FreezeMan.EXE

>>725716517
My only gripe is it's one of the few games with the GBA wireless attachment and Nintendo didn't feel like emulating that on the DS. And also sticking to 8MB for the entire series to save a buck.

>>725713059
There's only one major glitch, and it's if you are playing the original version of Red Sun on an original Nintendo DS. It's an avoidable thing the vast majority of players won't experience, especially these days. It was fixed in the BN Collection. So you would pretty much have to i tentionally trigger it these days.

Everything else is minor oddities you really have to go out of your way to notice/care about (i.e stuff that most offline games have). So aside from the Woodman thing, it's glitchy in the way that Ocarina of Time, Melee, and Oblivion are.

Occasional Engrish in the translation is soul though.

>>725715419
The director actually commented he was very pissed off over that bug (yes, it was a bug) and was happy about fixing it in the collection.

>>725717014
What was the deal with that one supposedly cart-bricking multiplayer glitch that the infamous Let's Play mentioned?
Was that actually a thing or something that only happens on emulators?

>>725714730
That’s just Starforce.

Load Chud

Star Force can't die. I NEED more Luna.

>>725712785
its good but pathetically easy. they didnt have to buff the damage on all chips and turn double soul into the cross system which has no cost.