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>>527038862looks amazing for a 40 y.o.
>>527039626cum tribute on lina's ass and back
Its so cute when you see a retard struggle against archons/legends. They finally found their bracket and they are finally where they belong.
>>527040395Lina really should wear underwear if she's going to be in a dress and flying above people
man, why are CS chinks so much more soulful than our robots...
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the official undisputed GOATS
>carry
yatoro (since his debut to these days he is still winning and carrying when possible. is on his way to faker lvl goat status. he also retired EE and exposed the fraud that ame is by raping his ass with an unnecessary am pick)
>mid
noone (was the best mid back when dota peaked and is one of the best right now. still winning tournaments)
>off
universe (by far the best offlaner NA has ever witnessed, could have won more if not for bulba being eg coach)
>pos4
cr1t (disputed the goat status back in the days with jerax, gh, and fy. could have won more if not for bulba. to these days remains as one of the best)
>pos5
n0tail (peaked when dota peaked, won everything a player could ever desire. carried a team of 3 average pros and 1 top tier player into winning ti)
Honorable mentions
arteezy (best micro player in this game by far but poor judgement. the cs2 equivalent of all aim no brain)
burning (best china carry by far)
suma1l (was on his way to faker lvl goat status. bulba being eg coach, weed and groupies ruined everything)
malr1ne (most complete mid player. on his way to become a goat)
mind control (best EU offlaner)
faith_bian (best china offlaner)
jerax (by far the biggest peak, never saw him choking at his best)
fy (best china pos4)
kuroky (won everything)
puppey (same as kuroky)
>>527041087she only wears underwear when she wants to be sexy for her husband (me)
>>527041771holy zoomer list lmao
What's the point of SF? I feel like he's conceptually weak.
>>527041771Pissi Cuckittini
>>527041771>arteezy (best micro player in this game by far but poor judgement. the cs2 equivalent of all aim no brain)He once said that he regrets the way he learned to play the game (obsession with gold and farm).
I don't get it, didn't back in the days DOTA used to have much less gold, was it warranted to be obsessed about minmaxxing it?
>>527042232He was one of the first to figure out shit like farming patterns so for a while he was ahead of the curve and people thought he was good, a lot of good players/teams back then were the ones that figured out something first
>>527042232>is it warranted to minmax something you want to excel in?
>>527043027>He was one of the first to figure out shit like farming patternsWas it important back then?
I started playing in 2025, afaik it was a scarcity meta when RTZ was peaking.
>>527043134How good was it to focus on minmaxxing gold on the map while there were like 3 jungle camps. Anyways RTZ is just coping, I think it's not a bad way to play but he always farms in dangerous areas.
>>527038649 (OP)>my reply made it into the final imagebased
>>527043230>Was it important back then?There was supposedly less money available so being able to squeeze out more money than anyone else would put you ahead, in reality there was more money available, everyone was just shit at farming and everything else.
>>527045373>doom>naix>phoenix>tusk>undying
>>527045373Pudge literally exists
>>527045373post THAT img..
how do you recover when you lose every lane and the enemy team starts deathballing and taking all your towers, then pushing high ground with aegis and a 20k+ networth advantage?
I think you're just supposed to lose at that point, right? unless they dive fountain and then don't choke you out from the jungle after that? there's no real intervention before then when they're taking T2s?
>>527046051pudge hasn't been a vore hero for years
>>527046974it's never over
>>527046974Take good fights and use your team's abilities, for example I had a legion that did poorly but all she had to do was blink + duel on top of a carry while we bursted him. Use smokes, etc.
I think it's sometimes possible but thing is many players lose their shit when they're not winning like a bunch of little kids they are and start griefing, pinging and shitting up the match.
Just because there's a gold advantage doesn't mean you can't press your buttons and clutch something out.
I manage to pull games like this with Lycan, I send my creeps at one support, burst down the most troublesome guy with my team, etc.
>>527046974>With a pro teamBelieve in the power of friendship
>With random trannies from the third worldGo next
>>527047208Oh and use mic to call shots and say what you wanna say, people usually listen to me because I never shit on anybody or do spam pings or whatever, and earn trust by getting some scraps in form of kills. Many times you're just gonna lose tho.
>>527046978oh its only been a few months since his old shard
>>527046974just keep playing, you're one or two good fights away from tipping the scales in your favour
pic related
>>527041771you cant be in the goat convo without a TI win
>>527045874>>527046051Real vore hero that swallows enemies whole to disable them when
>>527049547Probably the one with Tide eating Marci
>>527050043can you vore me too?
if bear necessities wasn't good, dare I say based and overpowered why does my record look like this since I started using it
>>527050761yes at 3 months of playtime playing mostly offlane I found one of the strongest characters in the game and all of a sudden I'm winning 80 percent, lol
it's like the 4th least picked facet in the entire game yet it's absurdly strong
>>527049862>play marci>face tide>instantly recall itget out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head
>>527050864The weakness of it doesn't matter in your mmr
templar assassin in bondage event 7.42
>>527051001name a weakness of getting 75% stronger items, name a single way it is possibly worse than bear with me, when you want vlads anyways, and druid does no damage to heal the bear if you don't give him items anyways
>>527050962>I could eat MarciGet in his belly
>No Witch hero.
No wonder this game is dead.
>>527051251She'd just ult and burst out like in Alien
>>527051159Only having 3 items limits your options more than the buffed numbers make up for, and the increased strength of items only applies to raw stats and not effects which is what you should buy items for
>>527051251>rebound off ally onto tide>this happensgarbage hero
>>527051251seek psychiatric consultation
>>527051437DP is a witch and Dark Willow and Drow have witch sets
>>527052089It ends in her being raped by tidehunter.
>>52705159050 percent lifesteal with satanic and vlads on bear is enough + neutral potentially
52% evasion is an effect that no hero other than pa can get
your role is to kill the enemy and blow up the towers, and this allows you to do this at the highest efficacy, butterfly, satanic, daedalus/mkb/Mjolnir and you've solved all your problems, there is nothing else that is necessary
daedalus is more the cherry on top if you aren't facing high evasion or a million illusions, and I contest you probably in most cases don't even need Mjolnir for illusion spam, maybe if there are like 2 or 3 illusion spam heroes on enemy team ok
>>527052053Lina is a sexy sorceress with long legs and feet and big breasts!
>>527047208this relies on them diving the fountain. if they don't do that then you just lose.
>>527052138>tide wanted to fuck one of those thingshe can't blame him
>>527050268because you're herald nobody cares.
>>527052704maybe your old retarded meta slave ass is just misguided
you do have a 16 year old winning all your prestigious tournaments in this supposedly solved meta
>>527052403You can play a tempo game but in the long run 6 items at 100% efficiency beats 3 items at 175%
>>527053058press x to doubt, you start kitting the bear if the game goes late
the thing everyone supposedly says the reason the hero is so good
so I cut the gold investment in half yet I'm 2x the strength of most characters mid game, and I have the bear
>>527052862and that 16 year old is about 50x your mmr.
>>527053408The downside of putting the damage items on the druid is that you're just going to get kited and you don't have any items to counteract that as you can only have 3
insider here. Kel' Snippity will be in the TI's battle pass
>>527050962>see windrunner vs slark matchup>get reminded of that picI know how you feel
>>527054819nta but can you post it?
>>527053905someone 2 years playing the game seriously is smarter than all you lifers pretending you make the rules
>>527054142butterfly and satanic are not just damage items, you get 52% evasion over 60 agi, over 40 strength
the bear charges in assuming you picked movespeed and brown boots, and maybe orb of frost, gets a root, initiates the fight, if you want to kite me I'll just blow up your tower
you speak as if you've never played this facet as you speak on it like an authority, which most meta lords seem to believe
>>527041771That list is so bad, I don't even know where to start with it. The only non-troll pick is yatoro, and even then I think it's a red-herring to make your troll attempt less obvious.
>>527055432Look, if you're up against people that aren't retarded niggers you're going to get kited, you're playing against people who don't know how to play the game and you could play Lycan with spirit wolves and get the same result
>>527056209you must think I'm stupid
spirit wolves can't scout or root people, or run at 420 movespeed and beyond
I don't need to chase you around the map regardless, I'm here to blow up your towers and win the game
when the bear catches you and he will because he has level 10 movespeed, boots and orb of frost, and he roots you, you better keep running, and when you do, I blow up your tower, it happens often
if you stand and fight you lose because I got a 100 damage 100 attack speed 52% evasion item at 20 minutes
>>527055432I could play any hero in the game without spending a single skill point and carry the game without a single death in your bracket.
let that sink in.
>>527056786extraordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence, but I guess it would be possible for maybe a 1 time thing
>>527056932sure give me a herald account to play on.
I'm an Immortal player in Crusader's body.
>>527056786infact if you post your dotabuff and play the game and prove it that would be pretty sick
it isn't very hard to make a new f2p account on dota and head to unranked is it
>>527056535>you must think I'm stupidConsidering you refuse to listen to anything anyone says yeah I do
You can keep playing with bear necessities and you can keep winning in herald or whatever, but eventually you will reach a point where people aren't retarded and hopefully by then you will be able to realize that the facet has glaring flaws that can be abused by moderately competent players. Maybe you will change the way you play, maybe you will insist that what worked before must still work as your winrate plummets
>>527057140>it isn't very hard to make a new f2p account on dota and head to unranked is itYou get banned on your main if you do
>>527057059just make a new steam profile and play unranked, that should be herald basically right
>>527057163your reason was wrong, you can't kite a bear that runs at 420 movespeed, you get found and die
and since I'm pretty smart and know how to play druid at this point, I don't rush into bad situations, I let people push me, I lure them in, I hide behind chokepoints or trees, and I cut people off as they over extend, and even if I don't do that I'm still nigh unkillable at 20-35 minutes
the real weakness of druid is aoe spam like jakiro, but you didn't mention that, maybe because you're a bullshitting retard
>>527057424Have you never played against people that know that you can just kill the bear? It's the same with brewmaster, retards that don't know the brewlings die if you hit them get crushed by him
Gigachad herald on LD with 50 games says he's the smartest in the room.
>>527057732my worst games in general are against aoe spam magic users, like invoker, jakiro, sometimes lich, had a bad mid vs phoenix but it was my first time playing phoenix mid so I think I'd do better now that I know the damage output
my previous build used heart of tarrasque over satanic on druid because I saw a high mmr youtuber use it and it seemed intuitive for me as a previous offlane main, to mitigate magic damage, but satanic is much better
you can stand and trade like 3vs1 with satanic even when bear is dead, at 20-35 minutes, that's how I won my last ranked game
that's the beauty of the facet, if they kill the bear they're wasting time and I'm probably going to kill them, if they try to kill me the bear is rooting them and healing me on top of the 50% lifesteal
>>527058158>you can stand and trade like 3vs1 with satanic even when bear is deadWhen you play against retards, sure
>>527057795I had 1 guy in previous threads try it and say he thought it was good
it's buffed back to 5% lower values than the original release of the facet in 7.38 after being giganerfed before that
I'd say they probably nerfed it for a reason, then buffed it when it was ruined basically and now nobody has tried it since it got rebuffed to near release values
since I'm accused of being shit at last hitting and whatever, and this hero is giving me free wins it would seem I have some of a point here and this hero is much better than being 4th lowest pick rate in the game imo
>>527058367how are they supposed to kill you if they can't chain stun you, they can't hit you without mkb, lol
>>527058769>spells with stuns exist
>>527056932>extraordinary claims require extra ordinary evidenceOh the irony
>>527058769>they can't chain stun youMaybe the retards you play against can't
>>527058898stuns aren't a killshot on a character with 52% evasion and 3500 health
and if the opposing team is all magic spam strength and int characters I'm free to use Daedalus and get like 1k lifesteal per second lol
>>527058869what channel, PGL? who should we be paying attention to?
I usually keep baldy's stream on in the background but I can watch this while I eat.
>>527059113>what channel, PGL?yeah
>who should we be paying attention to?notEE
>>527058994ok did you read the second point of the sentence
you have 3500 health and the bear is healing you and you have 52% evasion, even if they do chain stun you that's not a guaranteed kill
and if you're in bear form you have 1500 extra health and armor
dota sama is literally EE, you cannot convince me otherwise
>>527059068>I'm just going to daedalus butterfly satanic while I'm stunned lol newb I know the meta you're trash git gud>btw I'm heraldI would mop the floor with you with a stunless int character like zeus btw.
>>527059329zeus isn't bad into me but you're going to die to the bear if you're focusing me all day, the bear will root you, and then you're going to be in my attack range and get smoked
or I just blow up your buildings because I don't need to chase you into the fountain
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>>527059513What are you, stupid
is Dawnbreaker really strong? should I learn how to play her?
>>527059289>dota samaI wonder how he looks like. Please tell me he's not a gook.
>>527060178balanced however requires a team to be useful otherwise she's shit; guy wouldn't be able to do what he's doing with a necrophos AFK farming a radiance or without a tusk that is trying to control fights.
>>527060319if it's EE yes he's an overweight (skinnyfat) chinese american. you can search eternalenvy and see.
>>527060319He's the only one on his team without a webcam, how convenient
>>527060504Brother I quoted who I was referring to.
>>527060178Idk about pos 1, but she's good offlaner. Definitely worth giving her a go.
>>527060629>He's the only one on his team without a webcam, how convenientI'd pay real money to see him but I just know he's a jeet or gook...
>>527060406I don't know what kind of offlaner I need. my matches are pretty varied at high Legend. sometimes I get stomped in lane and need to sit in the jungle, sometimes literally nothing happens in the game because nobody leaves the jungle and opponents never step into vision.
I've been learning LC but her jungling isn't as good as like a tide, axe, or centaur.
>>527060821dawn has great jungle clear, stack and farm with W to catchup if you don't do well in lane.
another point let's assume they do focus the bear
1. I go behind a tree or turn a corner or run back with 325 movespeed default btw and find a few seconds downtime to resummon him
2. he dies as I'm standing and trading and I resummon him
most of my damage is on me so they just wasted a bunch of time, of course if they're in a good defensive position like we're pushing high ground, yes it's a good strategy to shoot the bear, preferably with sniper or aa, with your team as a buffer, but in other more even situations not really a solution to the problem
>>527061209can you quit theory crafting and get into a bracket where the players don't spend half the match outside smoking cigarettes before offering your opinion again?
>>527061209nigga, you're in herald. you can literally play CM carry and win games. don't overthink it
>>527061342I'm not theory crafting anything I'm just stating my experience with everyone's big brained high mmr strategies against me
because you're all so smart while your game is dominated by a 16 year old
>>527060821>LCYou're a duel bot with a strong dispel that can win fights. Obviously go with a 4-4-1 build instead of maxing MoC first or second as your 'parry' scales with farm. Talents to match your role as someone that disrupts fights and keeps your team alive.
I'd recommend getting an early echo sabre (as it solves your mana issues and can be disassembled into an ogre club for BKB or the lotus orb component)
Your best facet is spoils of war because giving your team's actual carry damage is far more valuable than stacking damage on yourself. The barrier on overwhelming odds may help you out when laning but since the game tends to go past 10 minutes it doesn't matter.
>sometimes I get stomped in lane and need to sit in the jungle, sometimes literally nothing happens in the game because nobody leaves the jungle and opponents never step into vision.Try dawn or underlord, cleave facet as the summons were nerfed.
>>527061378I guess overthinking things is better than underthinking things
but I didn't state any thoughts at all, I just stated the reality of the what happens if they shoot the bear question that was posed to me
>>527061663You live in a reality where witch doctor consistently is a strong hero
>>527061663you're playing against bots.
>>527061903you live in a reality where you're so smart you don't have to observe evidence and just spout your mouth off
also witch doctor never really gets me when I play druid, probably on account of the high movespeed and scouting ability, not to mention high health and lifesteal when brawling I guess
>>527062037why do I need high apm, I click on people and they die, it's pretty simple, of course I position myself in a smart way to not expose myself but druid is an attack spammer, what do I need apm for
>>527062037>232 APM underlordhe's just like me
>>527061080wow that art sucks.
no wonder that guy died.
>>527061564actually Underlord would be very good for this bracket and my playstyle. I am good at split pushing so the global gate and root on gate would fit my playstyle well.
the problem then becomes, what 3 do I pick--or how do I play--when my 1/2 are both afk farmers? they flame me for not initiating but they never leave the safest jungle camps right outside our base. it's like cores don't understand they farm to hit item timings to get power spikes to push off this. like they just expect the offlaner to blink stun and they'll magically win by farming the jungle all game.
>>527062090I have repeatedly told you that you're playing against idiots, a fact you refuse to acknowledge
>>527062307that's why you're still herald, and every time you get a match higher rated than herald you lose.
>>527062501Throwing the portal to an afk farming carry tranny with FULL resources has worked 1 in 20 games, unranked and he was part of a 4 stack. Same thing when using recall as kotl, sometimes you just instalose from the beginning.
>>527062602simple fact, I answered the question what if they target the bear
it's a 120 second cooldown I think, if he goes below 10% health I resummon him, if I dies it doesn't really matter if I'm already brooling because I'm probably winning the brool, and even still I'll just resummon him there
>>527062668I'm still herald because I've been playing for 3 months while people have had 10 years to perfect their strategies etc
I just happened to find a strategy that wins me 80% of my games at the moment so I'm not really worried about my ability to climb, and I have over 60% wr on like 3 or 4 other characters as well
I lost a 3vs4 with centaur and went 15 and 5, is that considered losing to guardians as well
>>527062425post good dota art
>>527062808I've already told you what's going to happen, you will reach a point where your strategy stops working and you will fail to realize why
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thoughts on my Axe build?
>>527063193I know why and when my strategy isn't working at my current rank, it isn't rocket science
jakiro/competent invokers can be a problem, aoe magic spam
but I can outplay them with my positioning etc
Thoughts on negro aghs against a medusa? I'd like to deal as much chip damage as possible to the rest of her team.
I rate it 5 out of 5 eternalenvies
>>527063471looks like a lead the match in deaths as position 1 build.
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>>527063471I'm confused, I thought his Aghs just turned his regen into damage on his aura and so wouldn't be any less effective against Medusa but the way it's described on the website is weird
>>527064440Every point damage dealt to medusa is converted to mana.
dummy, every single one.
Nothing removes her HP, her mana points gets fondled first.
>>527063204IS REFRESHER NECENHSSARY>?
>>527066717Yes I know but the Aghs is just direct damage based on his regen, it's not like it does any less damage to her than anyone else outside of what would already be reduced by her shield, only the base Heartstopper damage is useless
>>527064440yeah it's good if you get high reaper stacks and have high sadist uptime and/or have heart.
>get to watch a fagnus do the epic skewer into tower thing only to be sundered
lmao
>>527068631Lol you seen that shit na dota is disgusting
road to EE at the international again
>started 3-4 months ago
>broke 2260 MMR ceiling
This ain't directed at you LD bro don't feel called out or anything just throwing it out like this.
>>527074109ackshually
u r n00b
buy butterfly
and satanic
is really ez games
>>527074109Sure thing bud, why not post the dotabuff
>>527074109nice newfriend keep it up :)
>>527074643https://www.dotabuff.com/players/313065033
I posted it already.
>>527075009Thank you oldfren, I will be silent and appreciate your ancient tips undamaged by alzheimers.
>>527076425What does any of this mean
>>527076529>APMActions Per Minute: average of how many inputs you make throughout the match.
>(P)to Position: clicking on the ground
>(T)to Target: clicking on a specific target
>(N)no Target: like Item: Phase Boots or Slark: Pounce
>MVMove at/to ___
>ATKAttack at/to ___
>CSTCast at/to ___
>HLDHold Position
>GLYPHbuilding protection
>SCANinvisible enemies nearby!
>>527062501so I tried Underlord, first time I've played him since dota1. I don't think he was even ported into HON, I think he was reimagined as Balphagore and I avoided playing that character because I was mid against chu and eternal envy all the time back then.
anyways, did decent, still need to learn his limits but I liked his catch potential.
idk why yall pay attention to that herald bro playing LD with a dogshit facet. the only LD player buck breaking pros and making the hero look good is a high intellect russian guy.
https://www.youtube.com/@Aquazore/
>>527078874Some Anons can't help wanting to give advice to new players and help them improve. They're genuinely nice people.
It's too bad that goodwill keeps getting spat back in their faces. What a waste.
late game on bounty hunter support, you just build auras and track enemies, right?
>>527080343Yes, and sheepstick
>this fucking match>>527080343Also items to fuck with the enemy carry, hitting an ursa with Euls or using lotus on someone that is going to get hit with an abyssal blade is game changing.
>>527075982>being a midtranny>refusing to play any position which won't give you a gold/exp advantage over your opponentsThe kind of guy who would get breast implants then join a women's boxing tournament.
>>527085310Lmao what? That's a position that suits me so I'll play it, what's the problem?
>>527075982Ok you have twice my ranked matches we went over this, what rank did you calibrate into, I calibrated into herald 2 originally and I'm recalibration now, I should be put in guardian if I keep winning at 80%
>>527078874If it's dogshit I wouldn't win at 80 percent with it
>>527079662I got 0 genuine advice, people just told me I'm shit at the game, and 2 people have never used bear necessities and they have no idea how it plays or what they're talking about, or they're mad I'm playing druid, seething even
>>527087292I calibrated into herald for some reason, started at 1k mmr.
>>527078514I also tried Mars, I was chatting about trying him the other day, he seems pretty strong but aiming the spear can be difficult and then playing around the shield bash.
>>527088053also should I level stats over Bulwark? or does it always provide the damage reduction when you're facing the target, and activating it makes it tank for your teammates too?
>>527087529>I got 0 genuine adviceNo, you got plenty of advice and pointers but you rejected them because you perceived them as insults, and because you thought (still do) you already knew better than the higher ranked Anons who already played your favourite LD facet during its peak last year. Textbook Dunning-Kruger behaviour.
Huge difference.
>>527088495Retards don't understand the bear necessities facet and how strong it is when I'm winning like 30-40% more often than bear with me
Seeing as it's the 4th lowest picked facet in the game it's understandable
Instead of thinking to yourself, hey there might be something to this increase in performance, everyone just starts talking mad shit saying put all the items on the bear and other nonsense because they are slaves to the opinions of other people instead of being able to understand why this is effective
>>527089070What works in low mmr does not work in high mmr, how many times do we have to tell you?
>>527088495also, the peak of the ld facet was nerfed short after to basically half effectiveness
probably for a good reason
only in 7.38 it was brought back to 5% nerf from release version
meaning it's basically at the same strength as pre nerf and it's bearly distinguishable from that state
yet it takes a 3 months herald player to notice this for some reason, instead of the pure god tier perma meta slaves
>>527089672>>527089850as of this moment lone druid has a 58% winrate in divine and immortal as of this moment according to dotabuff, it actually performs worse at lower ranks according to the data
seems like you're just making shit up???
>>527090027Guess which facet they pick
>>527089070That's nice, or I'm sorry that happened.
You're clearly not here to talk about the game, just to huff your own farts and stay the course, which is ironic considering your accusation that everybody's a mindless slave who doesn't think for themselves. Guess that's projection from you? But regardless, having a conversation with you about anything is obviously off the table because you're on a soapbox and only interested in keeping it one-sided so I'll make sure to hide and ignore your posts from now on.
You have fun doing your Herald 3 things in Herald, with your <50% last hitting efficiency in lane, and your feeding the bear more than a Chen feeds creeps. I won't stop you. Or care.
>>527090217some pick bear necessities, although it is more rare
you are totally against this being true, and you are clearly seething very hard at the fact that this facet is near the original release version before it was nerfed into the ground
>>527090257if I keep winning at 80% I'll calibrate higher than herald, now you're just making shit up, feeding the bear, where was that proven
many supposedly high mmr players tell me to get ags and feed the bear cross map instead of win fights with both heroes, so that seems pretty shortsighted and stupid to me, but I actually play bear necessities and know how to win with this supposedly bad facet, I guess I'll just keep winning at 80% and having fun
>>527090354>some pick bear necessities >although it is more rareYeah no shit, why do you think that is?
Have you considered that they pick it in niche situations where it will be useful? You pretend to be some guru on this subject but I am certain you can't figure out when the facet is actually useful
>>527090604most people follow literal guides instead of thinking for themselves, it's like they're allergic to their own creativity and see it as a poison, which is sad to me personally as I think new ideas are good
like everyone clowning on parivision for support slark and pudge but they're pushing everyone's shit in so they are forced to accept that it can work
>>527090558You're wasting your breath on somebody who thinks the bear is useless fodder. I wouldn't bother.
>>527090763>most people follow literal guides instead of thinking for themselvesAt low ranks, sure
Pick willow for every position. Pos1 willow. Pos3 willow.
>>527090920you're a funny guy man, it is the meta slaves that push guides on new players instead of telling them to experiment and try different things, like everyone in this thread telling me the facet that I'm destroying on is actually bad
>>527091038That might be the most retarded thing you've said so far, impressive
>>527090805the bear isn't fodder but he's never going to be as strong as druid on bear necessities for the same gold cost, so it isn't cost effective to kit him out early game, vlads, bracer, brown boots and orb of frost is all he needs
>>527091140howso, when I decided to create my own builds on everything my winrate has only went up
>>527091503I don't think you know what meta or metaslave means
>>527092540you're an agent of the metatrix
you're agent smith of dota, bro
I have a question for the truly well informed high iq brainiacs and metalords of the dota general
why was bear necessities nerfed in the first place, if it was indeed shit tier
and if it was strong, wouldn't it still be strong if it was only 5 percent weaker than the release version, please bring your A game on this one
>>527092608Yeah, you're actually just fucking retarded huh
I apologize for trying to help you, clearly it was a waste of time
>>527092814how could anyone help me more than I help myself, I went from 60% wr to 80% wr
is this right? i kinda like thinking about this stuff sometimes
Usually cores' itemization is something like this:
farming item(s) -> mobility -> sustain/dispel -> lockdown -> damage
or
farming item(s) -> mobility -> sustain/dispel -> damage -> lockdown
or just some combination of those
or something like that. usually heroes have an ability that does one of those things, so you don't need an item that does it.
Faceless Void for example, has no farm ability, has mobility with Time Walk, has sustain with Time Walk, has lockdown with Time Dilation, Time Lock, and Chronosphere. So as you can see, you lacks a farming item and damage. So those are the priorities with FV is farming items and damage. Then maybe a dispel with BKB or Manta.
Antimage for example, has mobility with Blink, sustain with Counterspell, and some damage with Mana Break and Mana Void. He lacks an ability to farm and dispel and lockdown. So those are the priorities with Antimage, you go with battle fury for farm, then manta for dispel, then basher or skadi or something for lockdown
but you can kinda do this with other heroes too to try and carry with them. Leshrac for example, can farm with his ult, no mobility, no sustain or dispel, some lockdown, and has some damage. So you need sustain from mana to farm with your ult, so you buy like mana boots and raindrops and clarities and void stone and a kaya to help sustain the mana to farm. He has no mobility, so blink is good on him. he has no health sustain, so you go bloodstone for health sustain. he has no dispel, so you can go euls for dispel. and then you can buy Shivas for more health sustain, damage, and a little lockdown from the slow.
Why is nobody buying holy locket? it's such a good item
>>527093549the healing boost is dogshit for the price
>Rubick steals Song and Walrus Kicklmao
>>527093549Extremely situational item.
Used to be insane with Wyvern's mana battery facet.
>>527093319People are too stuck in the farming item first mindset, going for a tempo item on a hero with a kit that allows you to get kills early is extremely underrated
>>527093960Yeah, I've kinda been realizing that more and more lately. it kinda depends on the role though, mid i think you definitely want to prioritize a tempo item to help get kills first, but on carry, certain there are a few heroes that simply cant do that
>>527095168Getting a diffusal first on something like ursa or mk is often times a lot better than bf/mael
>>527093319farming item - core item[s] (1-2 items) - deal with problems items
>>527093319You build to cover the weaknesses of the hero
>>527093549They nerfed the healing boost too much
blademail basically just hard counters prophet
>>527095569i think that's another good way of looking at it
I think this recent patch balanced things pretty well, I like it
Anybody know what the fuck is wrong with the in-game guide section?
The Universal heroes are shoved into a tiny-ass column, and the scroll bar is unclickable so I can't reach Void Spirit and Windranger.
ill give you a proper answer
with bear necessities you are not allowed to have a proper build.
>boots + mjolnir + butterfly
no hp, no bkb, barely any dmg
>somehow you manage to reach bkb + mjolnir + butterfly
no hp, somebody buys mkb and your game is totally ruined
>ignores mjolnir
you cant farm
>no boots + mjolnir + butterfly
good luck not getting kited
>somehow you manage to reach mjolnir + butterfly + satanic
you are still kiteable + your damage is not enough to heal properly with satanic
>change butterfly for disperser
you are harder to kite but your dmg and other stuff is shit
bear necessities facet only worked because the hero was universal (more dmg), it used to increase neutral items stats, gleipnir was a strong item, people used to pick a buff hero to help him (either lifesteal, purge, dmg buff, stun breaker, etc) and it also caught by surprise other teams.
bear necessities can still work, but do you seriously think LD with bear necessities is better than lina, or tb right now?
bear with me is a better facet
>why?
the bear is still universal, the armor is shared, the bear only needs difu to start snowballing, you only need lvl 8 for the bear to heal you as if you were to have satanic and you dont need to buy a single item on the hero.
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>>527098153Works on my machine
Resolution settings issue?
>>527098153Oh apparently a bunch of scroll bars are fucked according to: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota2-Gameplay/issues/26298
but the scroll wheel doesn't help me in the guide section. Guess I'll just have to live with the workaround of copying the default guide for now.
>>527098452Wait, really? I'm on 1920x1080 borderless window. What about you?
>>5270985202560x1600 borderless, have noticed some scroll bars not working though
>>527098376you're actually retarded, Mjolnir isn't an item on bear necessities, it gives you nothing worthwhile and doesn't help survival
which is why you go vlads, butterfly satanic, like I've said many times
you haven't done any of the math on this and you're spouting off, you don't go boots either because it doesn't give you stats like butterfly would
2 bracers is like 550 health if you feel you need it early game, then you go straight for butterfly
>>527095569>>527097046should also mention that once you have your core item[s] is when you start grouping.
>>527098520>>527098670huh I've had scroll bar issues but didn't really think about it. thought it was just a 4k or nvidia issue.
>>527098701You only have three items and all you do with them is stack stats, utility is king in dota. You expect to be able to play the game without bkb, or get kills without nullifier?
>>527098967if neccesary nullifier could be 3rd item over daedalus/mkb
mljonir you only use if the illusion spam is truly insane, like 2 or 3 illusion heroes, and it would be last item after you get survivability
utility is staying alive on druid, and you need the bigger stats which you can get, you have over 50% lifesteal and 52% evasion
>>527088445ok so I just tested it in the demo, it's the same damage reduction when activated or not, so it must just be that enabling it redirects damage towards allies to you.
>>527098670I can't get that high but I tried changing to random resolutions. None of them helped with the guide box so I guess I'm waiting for Valve to fix it. Sucks for me.
>>527098701how do you play without maelstrom? you cant farm ancients neither farm fast enough to clean camps and the lane
>vladslmao. your winrate will go down the more you increase your mmr. it will reach a point where you will have less than the average winrate.
>>527100269his average cs is less than half the wave.
>>527100269that is literally just your opinion
you have 2 heroes you farm fast enough
tell me you have never played lone druid before
imo you farm faster with butterfly than Mjolnir
it doesn't help you survive, it's an unnecessary roadblock to getting butterfly as fast as possible and taking towers
why would my winrate go down when I'm buffing up my damage even further and my lifesteal, seems to be working great for me
I tried a lot of games going maelstrom first when I first started using the facet and it's just bad
the faster you get 100 attack damage 100 attack speed and 52% evasion the sooner you start taking towers and getting triple kills
>>527100435seems like off topic seething, and seems to prove my point even more that your farming cope is irrelevant while I completely disregard it and have 80% wr
>>527100269You're arguing with a guy who loses mid to Riki and thinks early game CS is unimportant, and skips the ranged creep every wave as a mid. It's a waste of time.
>>527101339if you had any brainpower you would realize bear necessities also literally needs less farm than basically any hero in the game to carry the game
but you keep seething that I'm not the best last hitter after 3 months of playing and I'm still winning easily, dominating
you are not smart
literally just proving how right I am with every sentence you speak on it, it's funny
>>527101481You're admitting that the hero only works in shitter games where nobody knows how to farm
>that one block spot for bot lane hard camp
It's such fucking bullshit
>>527100809post your dotabuff
>>527101898>>527101339>>527100435>Arguing with someone that you know, is a herald and goes mid then loses half the creepwave>Also someone that uses reddit spacing and unironically types like a retard>>527102491https://www.dotabuff.com/players/860729156
>>527101898huh, I farm as good as my bracket
why would it suddenly be worse if I was better at farming, are you braindead
farming basically doesn't matter because you get more value out of your gold on bn
have you ever played it, have you ever experienced the facet or are you just talking shit while knowing nothing of what you speak of
btw if we look at my lh/10 minutes on my trends it's a steady line up
you just seem mad a new player figured something out that most people don't understand and you're trying to bully me for this for some odd reason
maybe because you have a little baby dick and this is how you get power in your life
not only do you not need a farming item on him, when I stopped using farming items on him regardless of the situation my lh/10 has only gone up
as has every metric of my playing efficiency, gold per minute, xp per minute, literally every category of my play has went up and I haven't listened to a single word from you retards just trying to follow the meta with muh farming item and all your other stupid ideas
because despite the fact you've been playing for 10 years you still aren't that smart
idk seems like a shitty facet.
>>527104442literally no evidence to back that up
I gotta say, I'm really liking all these quality of life updates. My favorite being the cast range indicators. Hot take, I think Valve is doing a really good job of maintaining the game.
>>527104514what do you mean I just posted the evidence.
i think the reason i have a high winrate with Tree is because i just rush shard and stay in the trees the rest of the game and dont feed
REMINDER:
SHOPIFY REBELION
THE TEAM REPRESENTING NORTH AMERICA
HAS ZERO
YES ZERO
NOT ONE
NOT A SINGLE NORTH AMERICAN PLAYER
NOT EVEN ONE PLAYER FROM THE CONTINENT
AND ONLY 1 PLAYER FROM THE HEMISPHERE
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>527112914keeping lanes shoved provides good pressure in low mmr where they haven't learned how to cope with it yet.
creates a ton of space for your afk teammates to jungle and scares the opponents out of their jungle.
>>527113150that makes a lot of sense
>>527113136>NOT EVEN ONE PLAYER FROM THE CONTINENTwhat a fucking retard, also USA is the land of the free and multiculturalism anyone that wants to work his ass off to be the best can be american
>>527113136we're happy to have Timado
>defending high ground
>standing next to your T4 so you don't get initiated on
>also clearing waves from that far away
>Magnus blinks into your base
>Harpoon + Skewer
>you're now outside your base
what the fuck is the counterplay to a hero that can displace you 6000 units?
>>527113483do you think peru is in north america?
do you think the philippians is in north america? belgium? belarus?
who's the retard (hint: you)
>>527113136>The team representing North America shouldn't be swarthy
Shadow shaman players.
And all while they still think that hero is not completely stupidly easy and broken to play, they still find a way to be incredibly useless.
>>527116085that hero is kinda busted conceptually and realistically, i knew it when i first started playing when i realized i could just stun someone for 5 seconds on an 11 second cooldown, and then stun them again for 3 seconds on a 12 second cooldown, and his ult is so powerful it can take towers, force rotations, get kills, and none of this even mentions the Fowl Play and that new Chicken Fingers facet. I haven't played in 6 months, and i cant believe they buffed him even more
>>527114042Orchid Euls Atos Gleipnir Blink Force Linkens etc.
Also just side-stepping him.
I have a fun time playing against Magnus on Weaver. Bugs make it impossible for him to initiate, ever.
>>527117174not really due to cast range you are always put in danger, even aether doesn't change this
>undying free
>support literally in the back hanging out with creeps so he can grief my lane further by pulling non stop
>>527117710plus you are essentially stunning yourself for that 5 seconds
>>527117593you can't sidestep harpoon skewer.
I guess I'll have to see if I'm fast enough to hurricane pike during harpoon but I feel like harpoon has higher priority.
>>527117710>>527117842you have to position yourself better and make better judgments about how to engage
>>527117789>sad you're getting xp and freefarmkek
>>527117789>Witch Doctorkek
>>527114042Magnus players have one trick and if you provide them with a manta illusion they'll kidnap that one at which point nobody jumps them because only the enemy team gets to initiate so you lose the game.
>>527117943Well if you're Harpooned that's a different story. I was just referring to his blink initiation in general. You stop him before he blinks, or stop him after he blinks and fuck him up. Can't Skewer you if he's silenced and shit.
For Harpoon specifically, you have to wait for the Harpoon projectile to hit and pull you before you can leave/dodge. Otherwise it will pull you from Narnia if it has to. It's basically the new old-Pudge-hook.
Chen doesn't have the teleport anymore, right? I want to see some Dendi-tier memes with Harpoon+teleport. Maybe Kotl recall?
>my team just afk jungles for 60 minutes
>ping rosh
>ignored
>ping buildings
>ignore
>Push now!
>ignored
>these retards finally decide to push hg
>still won't rosh
>just jump in a feed
This game is literally miserable at low mmr. These aren't even people.
>>527120718Don't you love it when you afk in front of their T3, 4 man wipe then the enemy goes to Rosh?
>>527120843We literally just had a free rosh, but my team saw someone middle and decided to jump him. So instead of going back for the free rosh and then push, they just barrel down mid and jump into their base, the guy buys back and wipes the 4 of them. Then the other team takes rosh. Fucking unbelievable. There's no way you retards can convince me the playerbase is more skilled than 10 years ago. At least people would attempt to finish the game back then.
>>527118701>at which point nobody jumps them because only the enemy team gets to initiateain't that the fucking truth. and if I initiate there's no follow up.
>>527119108at what point can you disjoint harpoon? after it latches?
>>527122292Yeah, generally your chance to disengage is after the forced movement starts which is a tiny, slim window. Blink can work in that you can jump away and then the Harpoon will still latch and pull you to the halfway point (if it doesn't bug out. I don't know specifics but it's fucky) but that's better than standing still which isn't much of an improvement.
>>527117789lol undying is never free with tombstone and wand charges
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is ember spirit just kind of bad right now?
he seems too easily countered and he's only good for meme sleight crits.
>>527125240Cope mid for whenever Pango/Kunkka are banned
Dota 2 needs an MMR reset BADLY, it's SEVERELY inflated.
Just came back to dota after 4 years, I used to be divine 3 and now calibrated to ancient 5. There's no fucking way these are what 4k players used to be, I saw an undying playing passive with full hp behind me as an offlaner, I saw a rubick not using his W to secure range creep, players who don't even bring wards. These people are at least 1.5k above what they used to be.
>>527125923Undying is a top 3 pick for a typical Pudge picker. Pudge was probably banned.
>role queue as support
>pick carry
>lose on purpose
i think im done with this game. i cant lose 40 mins of my day dealing with 12 years old.
i have some items that are worth, what is the best way to sell them?
>>527127714I sell everything on the steam market and burn it on a steam sale.
>>527128049right. untradable i guess it is a stupid question, but nothing to be done, right?
>>527128285most dota items that are marketeable are worth shit. and the ones that are worth something are probably unmarketeable and only giftable once because FOMO so just get an addon to list all that you can then delete the rest, or keep it.
>>527128397I don't know about dota gamba, but in cs you could also gamble skins on tournament matches.
could be another decent alternative to skins you don't care about and that are worthless.
>>527124346what was the name of this set again?
im only rooting for yakult brothers bec i find their name funny
>>527113136just look at the WEU qualifiers
sex with my russian lina wife
>>527132882what's even the point of regions anymore?
>>527127110I want to understand the mind of a undying picker
>>527127714you're not losing 40 minutes of your day, you're winning 40 minutes of stoic training
>>527137263this might sound as a meme, but this is actually true
i legit became a buddhist because of dota
>Gorgc seething because he can't just rebroadcast the official TI stream
>reddit defends him
I hate streamers so fucking much
someone post that rtz webm please
>>527125923lol dont tell people that its real bad
>>527127110>>527137157I just remember the reddit undying autist who swore that perseverance rush is viable and people found he's 1k
chinese qualifier finals for ti going on atm
i think score is bugged and it's actually 0-0?
https://www.twitch.tv/pgl_dota2en2
>Western Dota
>the same boring safe picks
>CN Dota
>fun and interesting picks
how did we go full circle with this?
>>527143413>interesting picksif you're a moron easily amused
>>527143413these picks aren't interesting
>>527062602>surprised an idiot can't figure out he and everyone else in his bracket are idiots.
>>527144470Every moron who has never played bear necessities and has no idea how it works or how strong it is endlessly lecturing me
Yep, you're very enlightened
When's the last time you had to face bn druid
I'm guessing it's been months or maybe never because its the 4th lowest picked facet in the game
But you who has never played against it and have never played it are somehow an expert on it, good one, sheeplike subhumans
>>527127714>>role queue as support>>pick carry>>lose on purposeWhy did you do that
>>527144757>you who has never played against itSay you who has never played against a competent opponent lmao.
>1k mmr reddito telling others how to play
Don't listen to them bro they're crabs that want to keep you down your 1k MMR with 26 lone druid games in ranked are enough to make you smarter than all of them combined.
>nigger teammate loses his lane hard and plays like shit all game
>I'm the only person with positive KDR on my team by far
>get spam pinged by nigger teammate after I fuck up in a fight (we are severely behind) + he also pauses the game to mock me
>still expects me to invest 120% effort into trying to fix his previous 30 minutes of dogshit gameplay instead of going off to make coffee and read Xitter
make it make sense
>>527128667>betting hatsmy national past time
>>527128667You were allowed to bet hats on dota games before the csniggers scam gambling forced valve to crack down, which they for some reason did on dota's economy instead of cs
>yakult bros getting btfo by xg
nooooo
>starting items?
>hmmm armor good
I don't like playing pos 5, but playing it on radiant is almost worth it just for getting to watch the enemy 4 fail to find the block spot in the large pull camp
>>527153248This is why my friends all play league
>>527153828Because they're retards that can't unblock the pull camp?
yakults brothers are probably better than whatever team makes it through eu quals
>Saudis make esport documentary à la "Free to Play"/"True Sight"
>dota is not there
dotards?!?!?!
>>527147447>>527148743Retards who literally not for 1 game have played with or against bn druid telling me they know how it works
That's the definition of Dunning Kruger
I never understood why reddit loves true sight so much, I don't care about e-celeb wankery
ALL BOW TO THE UNCROWNED KING
>>527154038Because if you win the trades and get control of the jungle, dewarding should be the straightforward reward of your actions. Yet dota punishes players for not knowing esoteric jank mechanics like secret ward spots while epic dota pros like you who watched the youtube video go unpunished for losing control of the jungle.
>>527155171i dont see the appeal either
>>527156012What the fuck are you talking about?
Whats the best way to find actual smurf games between legend-divine? I want to watch a smurf play from carry.
>>527154860No one is telling you how it works you ESL fuckwit. We're trying to tell you that you've only played against fucking retarded heralds like yourself so can't accurately gauge what good against actually competent coordinated opponents.
>That's the definition of Dunning KrugerGetting an above average winrate on baby's first main in the absolute bottom tier of ranked. and then trying to lecture everyone above and more experience than you is textbook Dunning Kruger.
>>527154434yet another reason to remove all saudi and russian money and influence from the scene
>>527161967you're too poor to support the scene
>>5271571431v2 your lane
if you're against another smurf and your support is a bot then you have to start jungling early
team on power spikes
tp for free clean up kills
if your team lost and you still want a chance at winning do not show up to anything until they are behind your t3 towers (it's very boring in this scenario)
>>527164006oh and play something strong that doesn't require babysitting.
like ursa instead of drow.
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>>527165043I know. I'm 12k. I'd have no idea what it is like to be a 10k cuck.
>>527165636>pretends his score is perfect>uses insults like thati dont believe it
>>527165816Believe it or don't
>>527166046yeah, i didnt expect you to provide proof
fucking blowhard
>>527165816It's literally impossible to drop below 12 unless you grief every game, I call people subhuman niggers every game and the only time I've gone below 12k was when my internet died and I got an abandon
>>527166269and yet you are too scared to post your score
>>527166608Why would I waste my time doing that? You will just insist I grabbed it from the internet or something equally disingenuous
>position 1 decides to not play the game
>enemy team is too retarded to group up and walk down open mid
>now have to sit through a 60 minute loss
>>527161004my first main was tide got a 60% winrate
second main was viper got 60% winrate
3rd main ld had a shit tier 40% winrate until I realized bear necessitites is juiced and now I have an 80% winrate in mid which is basically every game I've played since I started playing bn
wouldn't that indicate I've already advanced past my current rank
not only that but I recalibrated and I haven't lost yet so I should be put in guardian at least
by your logic if I'm so shit at the game and still winning at 80% with this facet maybe it is being overlooked and I am actually despite being a new player providing useful information on it?
nah you think you're a fucking genius for following guides and just listening to the echo chamber, because it makes you feel powerful
btw I'm american, I the white man conquered the world and everything in it, my specific genetic line etc, the anglo saxon
>>527166860maybe today is the day I return to cs, and put my dota climb on hold.
>>527166269i havent played dota for like... 8 years
this number wasnt a ting back then and when i came back is was around 7k. i played some turbo games during crownfall and that increased quickly to 9k.
since then ive been playing ranked and it is stuck at around 9.5k, even though im generally nicer. i think the better theory is that changing that number is really hard, at least in ranked
>>527167621Keep us updated on your mmr, it will be interesting to see what happens once you get humans on the enemy team.
>>527169656true I raised my score by 4k just by playing unranked
everyone commends in unranked too, never in ranked unless your team stomps and then you only get like 2
>>527169574I remember drawing that.
draw Lina with really sexy legs and feet
is this a good winrate? most people in my bracket have over 3k matches and thousands of hours of dota (i have like 2.6k)
>>527172878please draw more cute pics :)
>>527173524sure it's fine but eventually you'll get hardstuck 50% winrate like me
been hardstuck 5k for like 5 years
>>527173524Yeah it's pretty good, you will probably level out at divine or low immortal
I started playing a few months ago (2.2k MMR) and the only reason I'm not even higher now is that they decided to nerf my picks. It's over.
what if weaver had a facet where instead of time lapse bringing him five seconds into the past it sent him five seconds into the future?
>>527063204ok I tried out this battle hunger talents + shard and it seems decent, but what's with the octarine/refresher?
>>527176789Double call late game is super strong and pierces BKB, the octarine is just there so he actually has the mana to cast it. It's like why you get aghs+refresher on storm
>>5271767896 seconds goodBlack hole and 12 seconds bkb
>>527177467>goodblack holecall doesnt deal pure damage on interval on massive aoe
>>527177841just buy gleipnir
>>527177841Helix deals pure damage
Can't be interrupted
Not channelled so you can move/refresh and use it again
>>527178335>Helix deals pure damageok but this isnt the same as the cc doing pure damage on interval
>Can't be interruptedduration is far less
>Not channelled so you can move/refresh and use it againcan but then its not as effective
>>527176556>automatically concludes the fight based on AI predictionThe sort of zany new mechanic that I've come to expect
>>527178335Call can't be interrupted but it can be reduced by status resist while Black Hole's duration is set in stone.
>>527173793lets be optimistic!!
>>527179304WHERE IS IT???
MOTHERFUCKER I WANT TO GIVE YOU MONEY
>>527179304>>527179371summer begins june 20th
so should dota tournaments just get rid of regions
>>527180154no
regions are necessary to dictate ping
nationalities never mattered to anyone but /pol/tards
>>527177163so which one do you buy first? refresher or octarine?
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meanwhile every match has had one player either afk or running it down.
Strongest midlaners currently? I have success with Leshrac and MK.
>>527181347Apparently Nature's Prophet lmao
>>527181875>>527181964I wanted serious posts bros.
>>527181347dp/storm/pango/puck
>>527182821I wasn't joking bro. Literally top 4 right now.
>>527183496They took his iron tree facet, how can he possibly be good on mid or in general?
>money facetDoesn't matter, might as be without the facet
>healing facetMaybe? Is it even good?
>>527183064>puckCan't really carry pubs.
>>527183425>dp/stormGood suggestions, I already play DP sometimes but I've never played Storm, I'll try.
>>527183994>>puck>Can't really carry pubs.Skill issue
>>527183496i dont trust this
ending the game on qop is the hardest thing in the world
I'm formulating really annoying carry veno builds in my mind that I think will perform well, like skadi satanic scepter desolator
>>527190901that sounds really good.
>>527190901veno cant carry a bag
>>527043230>How good was it to focus on minmaxxing gold on the map while there were like 3 jungle camps. Anyways RTZ is just coping, I think it's not a bad way to play but he always farms in dangerous areas.That made it even more important. It used to be back in the day if you got a big lead on a hero like Naga you could literally just send illusions at the enemy team and they would solo supports, now everyone gets farm and you can't capitalise on the disparity as hard.
I am mentally unwell from the video gsamne
>>527183994>how can he possibly be good on mid or in general?He's a universal hero with like the 3rd highest stat growth in the game, high attack range, great BAT, one of the best farmers in the game, and has global presence. He could have no facets and still be good.
>win too much
>get a Chen who just hits creeps and doesn't do anything but feed
>get a griefing pudge
>TA that farms alone on their side of the map while they have 2 initiators
>jakiro (jakiro)
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why are people maxing fissure on core es now
what did i miss
>>527192148in unranked it probably will
>>527193364the teleport alone makes him viable mid, on top of everything he has, a trap+summon for 1vs1, the zeus nature spell to hit everyone
rate this viper build, scepter is non negotiable, it's so funny nose diving on linas and stuff and just destroying them
hard counters attack speed spam like pa, etc
>you now remember Tormentors
>>527196842also can someone confirm or deny if the predator damage gets lifesteal on it because that's my theory with this build, sit in the poison, spam attacks, you're getting spell lifesteal and massive lifesteal off predator on top of the strength boost
and you're slowing attack speed of people diving you by like 180 with 35% evasion, I like it
>>527196881idk why valve is so pussy just put another big obj on the map like roshan its about time take the idea of tor and make it bigger dota has so much more room to grow as a game but valve is playing around with deadlock
>Dendi likes LoL more than Dota
Dotards...
>>527196881I think I've had my team take 1 tormentor in 400 games
>>527198643He's braindead.
Don't want to jinx it but I'll be so hyped if Wildcard makes it through qualifiers.
Why the hell do they keep picking Gyro in these pro matches? All I’ve ever seen happen is Gyro throws down ult, activates flak, does no damage, then dies. Am I missing something?
>>527198643LoL streamers are contractually obligated to trash Dota or ignore its existence. Also not get caught playing Dota in public. It's unironically over for him.
Wait void spirit is actually viable now?
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This shit I have to resort to in this bracket. Had a support who didn't even understand camp blocking mechanics and would repeatedly place a sentry in our ancient camp.
>>527201074we are all watching the Austin major
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>>527202429>hide>*peeks*https://x.com/Ozzny_CS2/status/1933175322540695882
Niko is quite literally a bigger retard even than prime tard-Shartour
>>527196842Buy blink dagger
>Pick real carry
>Win
Wow, sasuga Shopify.
>>527196881They're taken every game at 20 minutes, unlike the old iteration no one ever bothered to take
>>527203692that's demented buddy
this is the power of the bear with me facet, getting demolished by veno mid
running satanic he thought his puny bear could 1vs1 me, haha, hahahahahaha
>>527206718now of course if he was running the correct bear necessities facet and decided to just fight me, with butterfly, I would be forced to buy mkb, but of course, the bear with me facet is apparently so strong bros, wow
>>527206517Blink dagger is the strongest item on the game on every hero that doesn't have a built in blink
>watching TI quals for wildcard vs shopify
>wildcard gets a Riki
>shopify has Troll Warlord
>wildcard gets fucking rekt
Whoever was in charge of that draft should be fired.
>>527208081Nosedive already functions as a blink, I think all my items are indispensable for this build
>>527208817Wait shit I got the teams wrong. It's Shopify with the Riki.
Former League player here, 643 hours in (more like 550) and I finally hit Archon, I'm slowly understanding this game. These games, even though both are moba, really aren't comparable. I was the top 0.5% of the playerbase (Master) so it definitely helps but the skill doesn't transfer from one game to another, unlike in FPS games.
>>527209175Some skills transfer, but the games have deviated a lot from the originals. Ancient league and old dota were a lot more similar than the current iterations
>>527209175What role you playing
>>527209175I figured that the 1v1 laning skill would transfer at least, even if the macro game and heroes and skillshot spam aren't the same.
>>527208839Eat aghs or sell boots for swift blink, also get shard for fucks sake
>>527209752offlane and supports, sometimes carry, rarely mid, just whatever I want in the current moment. I really like Marci pos4
>>527209756well I rarely play mid so it's mostly 2v2 and people often just sit on the lane instead of roaming in this shitter elo. Anyway the laning is completely different because of mechanics like denying and pulling. In League you can't impact (well you can, but barely) the lane equilibrium and you definitely can't just fuck off to jungle or tp to the other lane.
What transfered, for me at least, is the knowledge not to overcommit, not to walk up for no reason and to sometimes just give up the creep if I'm about to take a lot of damage. Just the very basic stuff
The most mindbreaking thing in dota for me at the start was the all-around invisibility. I get how to combat it now and when to expect someone invis, but I think I still don't get how to actually snowball the game. My teammates don't really want to do tormentors, there are games where we take 6 towers and just kinda don't do anything for a good while.
>Look at pro players
>"value" point into flat damage skill, rest into scaling passive that needs farm or levels to be useful
Just like my games
I am severely unimpressed with this support performance from Hellscream.
Last game on support Riki he was useless, and on Shadow Shaman, he just massively fucked up a gank because he walked into the NS silence and then sat there like an idiot. It was a free kill but he fucks it up and then Bignum Bane kills Disruptor for free and walks away.
im 2.1k mmr after 11 years playing this video game and over 8k hours, prob over 10k watching.
>>527210293Honestly viper needs boots and the mana def early game sometimes late game as well, I could part with skadi but vs a tankier team and brawling with other satanic players I want skadi, that's how you secure 1vs1s
Blinking in just slows down my timing to get nethertoxin down, I'd rather nosedive in and have my toxin down, blink just doesn't really work for the concept of the build
>>527211949Lmao afking as shadow shaman is nasty work
>>527203174I miss CS. I need to start playing again.
>>527209175they are very different games while both being RTS themed MOBAs, that is true.
Riot took DOTA and made it more casually accessible without removing the skill ceiling, something old Blizzard used to be known for.
where's their MMO? where's the Valve MMO? I want a good ARPG that isn't as autistic as POE to replace Diablo 2.
>>527210689>My teammates don't really want to do tormentorsthis is an issue for me in high Legend too. when I was playing a lot about a year ago people were doing them regularly at this MMR so I guess moving them from where the Wisdom Shrines are to the corners changed people's opinions of them.
I think they're mostly ignored because their benefit in the past was to help supports get more gold, but gold isn't a huge bottleneck anymore due to many changes, such as passive gold being reliable instead of unreliable.
>>527212656If you can use nosedive from twice as far away you're not slowing down
>>527212108I'm pretty washed too. I was 5.5k when RTZ was top of the ladder at 7k, before all these rank titles were created, and now I'm hardstuck Legend.
I also competed in HON and played in swindlehouses and against EE, notail, bulba, etc... all the time.
I feel like if I recalibrated I would place Ancient, but it's still very difficult with the amount of non-English speaking players and griefers in NA lobbies.
just got back from a party piss drunk but this game is bussin
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvL01fui-SI
Inm just gonna keep drinking whatever i got left home this game got me fired up im gonna change my fucking life these guys got rosh and got right back into the game
>>527213874Lots of NA players queue EU servers now because of peruvians, might be worth a shot.
>>527213642I think it would be last item after ags blessing but I might test it
>>527213181do it, its more alive than dota and games are less mentally draining, ive pretty much stopped playing dota and moved to cs recently, feels way better
Why is wildcard throwing so hard?
They jump in, get a kill, and then instead of retreating they dive harder and ignore the Timbersaw and Timber just shits out non-stop damage because nobody's stopping him, nobody's building to counter him, nothing. They burn all their BKBs and shit to kill Disruptor.
No orchids, no sheeps, no diffusals except on pango, are they just giving up on this game and giving up on killing Timber? wtf are they doing?
>>527214448for wild card that is lol
what a shitshow Eurochads that could never happen to us
>build to counteract your kit's weaknesses
>build to amplify your kit's strengths
Which way, white man?
Really love how nobody even considers that rapier exists.
>wildcard 42-25
>still only 1k net worth difference
>somehow losing against megacreeps because they don't do shit to Timbersaw
>kill Timbersaw twice in a row but still can't take one lane of rax
Either Davai is the best Timbersaw in the world or Wildcard just made the biggest throw.
Catch ya later dingleberry!
>catch out Disruptor and Timbersaw
>fuck up the fight
>ditch TB while Timber and Void decimate the backline
>lose 3 heroes
This is over for Wildcard. They can't win a fight with this level of discoordination.
>Getting an aeon disk when the enemy team already bought nullifiers for your timbersaw aghs shield
is this nigger retarded
>>527209175>I want a good ARPG that isn't as autistic as POE to replace Diablo 2.fucking same. A dota ARPG would be cool and i think Valve could do something like that, it could definitely compete with Blizzard and GGG in that market
>everyone on my team goes like 0/8 except me that im like only 3 deaths in.
>trying to farm as AM, going straight for Manta since my team is getting raped and they cannot hold the game for shit.
>They start typing GG HC, LOL AM, NICE AM XD because I have no farm at min 14 (my support fed 4 kills to the offlane on his own)
I hate peru niggers so much.
Apparently now im supposed to win not only the late game on my own, but the early game too?
This is why nobody takes this game seriously.
LMAO wild card choke artist you had to close this game giving davai lama another game is nasty ass work
>>527218674Is Aeon Disk purgeable?
>>527219007>Aeon Disk might not be a good choice against disables that can't be dispelled like Black Hole, Chronosphere, Static Storm, Doom, etc. It can also be dispelled by Nullifier which makes it less effective in the late game.
>>527218674It still dispels, probably bought it in case of Bane cause he's the only one who'd ever catch him
>>5272168792 everytime
You can be great against 95% of things but something will always counter you
But of course, let's say you're running an agi hero or like venomancer as a carry/core, satanic builds into your strengths while also covering weakness, it's a win win
>>527219081I see.
But Aeon Disk also is a Strong Dispel, right? So if the Nullifier came out first it would be dispelled by Aeon Disk after, wouldn't it? He's just buying Aeon Disk for the sake of it because Wildcard can't do shit. Fayde was probably wasting Nullifier on the backline Disruptor anyway. Wildcard just ignored Timbersaw for the past 40 minutes. Only TB ever tried to do anything and then got raped for his trouble. Don't think TB had his own Nullifier either.
congrats to shopify for getting to TI they took wild card chain
>>527218751I'm enjoying playing mid for the most part so atleast if my team is sabotaging the game I don't get directly effected by it in the 1st 15 minutes
>>527219365Nullifier can't be purged
>>527219568Until I come to “gank” mid as Marcy and rebound you underneath the enemy tower and we feed a double kill into the opposing mid laner because I don’t have mana for sidekick or displacement. Also they get to bottle a regen afterwards, fuck you.
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>>527219320>Item slot to remove friend's gropeAt that point get a cheeky manta style or the humble ||bottle|| as to run a game winning illusion at a VERY desperate enemy.
>>527220323>Distracted by a pussy
>>527220362No one is going to fall for a Timbersaw randomly walking around, especially considering they were stuck in their base, I didn't watch the whole game but considering he built Lotus and Linken's as well I assume it was literally the only thing stopping him in fights
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What the interviewer sees (I am unemployable and I don't know why)
Why come Hellscream not with team? Why Yamsun such twitchy sperg? Why Dota Sama not have camera but everyone else has to? Dota Sama Bruno? Gaben? EE?
shopify has a better draft
Why is Mason MMR so low? Would he fare well in the pro scene today or is he stuck in 2014
>>527221440Stuck in 2014 and got comfortable where he was
>>527221440he was never good, he got carried a lot of the time
>shaman goes for shitten fingers instead of massive serpent
euthanize
>>527221440He played qualifiers for something last year but lost, he should do more, it was amusing at least
>>527222117the chicken fingers is way better
>>527222117Chicken Fingers is fine. The problem is that Hellscream is feeding like a nutjob for some reason.
I love being american, go to the gym after winning unranked with viper and veno mid, get home, immediately make 1 1/2 lbs of burger on toast, and throw some chocolate chip cookies in the oven
yea this is the good life
can anyone enlighten me on why the pros all of a sudden are maining batrider like he's god's gift
>>527222569hell yeah, my dream is to get enough passive income so that i can afford a 30 year mortgage on a house in the midwest and just be comfy and healthy and play Dota 2
>>527222803Batrider has always been the pro's favorite hero, any patch he's even remotely viable he's a top pick
>>527222803Pros are all wannabe satanic Hollywood pedos and enjoying kidnapping the other plywr
>>527200172lets go, porn money team
they just updated the steam overlay in this dota patch. it no longer says fps on the fps display, just the number.
speed dota is going to a TI thats crazy, what if valve pulled a fast one and actually offered a decent BP with arcanas imagine if the TI actually had a prizepool this year
>>527052403honestly I think it can be very weak after you get your vlads and the enemy is extremely aggressive.
since your next item will be butterfly, getting the eaglesong can be pretty difficult.
amouranth owns the new dota team that qualified to ti
that means talking about that tranny freak is now dota related
>>527229869Based. She just faked getting robbed so that she could shoot some jeetniggers.
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>>527229869>amouranth owns the new dota team that qualified to tibetter than the gambling sites
NA has always been a low skill region. only a few players have carried that region into having some good reputation.
>ppd
>sumail (MENA)
>universe
>rtz
>bryle
>aui
>fear
>moonmierda
>quinn (almost didnt make it)
funny thing is that the only players that are real americans are ppd, fear and quinn. the others are second or third gen immigrants and imported players.
NA was since the start a low skill region and it got worse and worse the more the game became unpopular among americans and their obsession with cod, fortnite, valorant, and being a "content creator" as if it were possible to be a "void creator".
btw when dota was getting really popular in america the runt of the whole scene, bulba, and his clique, gatekeeped many players they didnt like from entering the inhouses, he even threated them to use his influence to make it impossible for them to become pro
>>527231117Aren't the bulba rumors false? Didn't PPD pretty much ruin the scene by gate keeping both the pro scene and in NA dota inhouse leagues, and not knowing how to manage EG when he was the owner?
>>527229869>TI will have Amouranth and Eva ElfieKINO
>>527231117lol i keep seeing this bulba has been gatekeeping NA how true is this and why has this been able to keep going NA at this point is a dead region and really shouldnt even get a spot in most these tournaments
>>527228989dude is grinding, good for him
>>527228989isn't he a great player anyway? I don't see why he shouldn't. how do you get mmr that high and not be good
https://voca.ro/1b1awIjePOF8
>queue for 5 roles
>be given everything but pos 1
>pos 1/2 keep picking supports
>keep losing despite having a 2-4x kdr
>game finally gives me pos1
>easiest game of my life despite having a support 2/3
should I just queue for 1 until I carry myself up to a better bracket? or is there a good 2/3 that can carry trash 1/2's?
>>527167621>so I should be put in guardian at leastOk? There's a big difference between guardian and immortal, and between immortal and pro dota.
Again no one is telling you that what you're doing is wrong and you should stop if it's working for you. We are just telling you that you've got your head up your arse immediately thinking everything that works in the herald bracket, the absolute lowest bracket, is just as effective against anyone remotely competent.
Have you even bothered to watch replays of your games? Actually looking at other players perspectives? You are playing against people that can't even control their camera properly. Its like playing chess against 5 year olds then saying "magnus carlson is a retard for not doing what I just did". You are getting called a retard for lacking that self awareness and perspective, not because you are winning against heralds.
>because it makes you feel powerfulHow ironic. You have to make shit up in your head about the people you are talking to so you can dismiss them. Do you honestly think you're the only one that had the brilliant idea of dominating in herald with an uncommon hero? I did the exact same thing, I just didn't assume that meant I knew better than everyone else.
>anglo saxonYou are giving us a bad name.
>>527066717Then why does dota plus keep suggesting "lifesteal" for dusa?
>>527167621I know you feel like it's very strong but there are just some games that you won't be able to win even with such a build.
I've played lots of LD with the bear with me facet and it has had some big weaknesses, which I had hoped the bear necessities facet would have helped mitigate, but I haven't played enough to really say. so far, to me, a good LD game will be a good LD game regardless of facet.
>>527235351Because Dotaplus is dogshit and makes no sense at all.
>>527231414>>527231940bulba and arteezy gatekept the NA scene because they wanted to keep their contracts at EG as long as possible and didn't want any new blood getting in their way. Demon has talked about what a snake bulba was behind the scenes.
>>527222803>suddenlyBatrider has always been a popular/good pick. Pros would pick Batrider even if he's like 20% winrate because they think they can do better. See Tundra's disqualification game last year during TI with Topson playing some meme afk farming Batrider.
Same goes for other heroes like Terrorblade, and Doom. Even if they're shitcanned, pros will keep picking them because they practiced playing them for who knows how long, so they'll keep falling back on them as picks because they're familiar with them, even if they're bad.
>>527241069Anything can be 4 Fun as long as you have a good time doing it
>>527241069As long as you snipe those couriers and delay the carry's armlet recipe for 4 minutes, basically just be a complete nuisance. Use treants for vision and buy boots+drum maybe a shadow talisman because the enemy will try to 4/5 man kill you
>you now remember Mask of Madness
I miss CK's reality rift gambling facet, I remember silencing a lifestealer and him instantly giving up
>get stuck with offlane
>my 4 ends the game with 23 deaths
I can't take it anymore. I think I need to learn how to play mid because support players these days might as well be on the other team.
I thought Dota was dead in 2020, how wrong I was.
>>527244829it is dying slowly in the west. it is mainly russia and associates keeping it alive
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i love this lil nigga like you wouldnt believe
>>527244579they usually are. i play pos1 and my pos5 pulls nonstop in a lane where i picked a strong laner and we miss like 20 opportunities to kill the enemy offlaner because my support doesn't want to lane
>SEA qualifiers
>support Slark is larping as a melee creep and has fed 2 kills in the first 2 minutes of the game
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When is that forced 50 kicking in
>>527250294i solved this problem
Which one of you is this ahahahahahaha
>>527250294buy some of the recent chest
you'll get your streak
I haven't solo queued in months bros, but tonight might be the night.
>DADDY VALVE PLEEEASEEE ADD A BP LET ME CONSSOOOOOOOOM
you just know the colour of their skin
>>527254506European Aryans say this.
>>527254506You'd imagine it would be white people but it's actually eastern euros and SEAni- I mean SEAfriends like the one scalper that would show up at the TI venue to buy the entirety of the secret shop without having 5 people ganking and gutting him in the parking lot
>play ranked
>every glyph or scan is used by me
do people know these exist
>>527257787scan, yep. glyph people use it, generally at suboptimal times, like when the enemy heroes just touch high ground, instead of focusing in killing the enemy wave
>>527257029eastern euros are literally the only white people left, thoughbeit
>>527247984I can't even remember the last time I had a support that tried to deny last hits.
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now that I think about it, yeah the skin colour is white but the mentality is that of a negro, a wigger as they say. Liberal western trash, eastern EVROPA would never
>>527229326You outbrawl everyone in the game with 2 bracer vlad timing in true form, they literally have to flee to t2 because I'm running right in and mauling everyone
>>527235236Have you or anyone you have ever played against for 1 solitary game played bn druid, I rest my case
>>527235647You're weakest against jakiro, phoenix
I will stand on the fact I think bn is atleast 200% better than bwm, the winrate of bwm is only substantiated through extreme autism
>>527235236Don't waste your time trying to help that retard.
>>527254506Very pale indeed, it is disgusting. Regards, brown Dota 2 player that rules the global Dota scene because of how good we are at the game.
a schizophrenic ancient bracket first pick shadow fiend player is talking
listen and learn
Why does Faceless deal fuck all damage now? Wasn't he supposed to be the carry to end all carries? Fucking unreal. Buff Faceless Void
>>527264925>nowHe was always a wet blanket that needs at least 3 items or tremendous luck to deal any damage
Can I still complete crownfall tiles for loot?
>>527264325I literally don't need help, I'm using a 1/1000 pick rate facet getting 80% winrate and disregarding everyone's seething disguised as helpful advice
>>527140341genuinely one of the best plays ever
>>527265818You haven't won a single game against humans yet.
psg is back? or is this another narcissist
>>527266818Hasn't gone on enough off topic rants to be psg, it's a fresh retard
Bear with me >>>>>>>>>>>>> bear necessities.
>>527267442Huh never thought of it that way
As I said, let me repeat: Bear with me >>>>>>>>> Bear necessities.
Bear necessities hasn't been good since the nerf
>>527272385Nuh uh its just 0.05 points of scaling worse than when it was good even a herald can figure it out.
Other factors like items being changed, LD becoming an agi hero again instead of universal, and the facet not applying to neutral item stats? Doesn't matter everyone else is wrong and there's absolutely no way that people better than herald know more about the game.
>he took the bait
Fishing successful.
>>527273901it wasn't even that good when it was "good"
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>>527273901I don't think you understand its purpose, the facet was meant for finishing the game fast by buying cheap and efficient items like a bunch of wraith brands (which also got their 25 minute bonus removed in the exact same patch)
the level 4 difference is insignificant sure, but the gap between level 1 and 2 is huge
all in all it was not meant for scaling but for an early advantage like alchemist's money facet
>>527263264>played bn druidYes
Have you ever played in a rank above Herald? I rest my case
>>527274139my wife, her name is ....... ?
>>527275125generic slavwhore #4531251
>>527274430I don't think you understood I was mocking the literal herald that thinks he figured out some secret tech because he can pick a niche hero and win against retards and refuses to listen or consider any advice given.
>>527275617oh sorry I am retarded I only read the first part
>>527275125>>527274139pit sniffing worship and armpit impregnation with her
>>527267306He has the same strange posting style. Do they learn it on reddit?
>>527276312>Julia 'NamiNetsu' Zharinathanks anon
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"Western Europe"
mouz really need to upgrade at the offlane position i know that easier said then done but zeal is clearly the weak link in the group
>>527282547what is the problem here?
cyber goose (solo stack) is pretty good
i think they wouldve qualified to ti if they went through weu quals instead eeu
that's it. I'm queueing for pos1 only until I'm out of Legend.
ench is my favorite dota
which one is yours?
>>527289769see you later future crusader
NOOB RINGMASTER
https://www.twitch.tv/usednapkin8/clip/SolidSweetDiscAliens-0DaguxvG3_D3M3Sm
>>527290418I actually don't understand why are you posting the least interesting moments of your game here
Notail really coaching OG up
>get a not-calibrated mid
>flip the coin
>he goes 0-20-0 after tilting and running it down
Thanks Gabe, very cool.
Wow, very cool, a Gyrocopter! I can’t wait for him to ult the ground hit one hero, pop flak, do no damage, and die!
>>527289769>that's it. I'm queueing for pos1 only until I'm out of Legend.I think it's the worst role if you want MMR.
>>527291256RELAX, YOU ARE DOING FINE
why is dotard pro scene so fucking BORING compare to CS, brehs?
>you now remember mango anon
>>527292842idk it seems to be the weakest player on all of my teams.
>>527294068>He watches other people play shootersLol, lmao.
>>527294374That doesn't matter. You want to play the positions and heroes that allow you to have greatest influence over whether your team wins or not. Let the weakest players play the low impact team-dependent roles.
>9-13 at 22 minutes
what is this, LoL?
>>527295538Lol at 22 mins is closer to 10 kills on the map
Secret really downgraded carries from almost beating tundra to struggling with nigma and OG shit they were having a bit of issues with a team running with an archon support
>>527266652Neither have you with bear necessities, therefore I'm right and you're wrong
>>527267442Seething tard
THE ONE TRUTH IS BN OVER BWM
>>527296257Where'd parker go?
Cool DK skin that Stormstormer has. Unavailable though right? Another hero with a lot of skins I don’t really like and the one I do I get fomo’d.
>>527274430You are a retarded animal
First off bracer is better 2 bracers and blood grenade is 550 health at level 2
Secondly the whole reason bn is overpowered is butterfly, just with talisman of evasion you have 35% evasion
2 bracers or 1 bracer eaglesong+talisman of evasion+vlads on bear You are unkillable early game
When you get butterfly at 20-25 minutes you're easily the strongest in the lobby and 3vs1 4vs1 is possible, next item morbid mask
You now have 38% lifesteal
You have never used bear necessities
I use it often, you're a dumbass
>>527297183benched no matter how good he is its just the attitude but that secret team was looking up with him at carry all they had to do was get more reps in and find a better mid and off
>>527275617A new player figured out something you were unaware of instead of in your mind thinking
Interesting
Instead your reaction is nonstop seething about it, strong Dunning Kruger case
>>527297679Gryphon armor and dragon form.
>>527298071That's from crownfall, no idea if it's tradeable
>now he won't stop spouting off about dk
>>527298156Speaking of Crownfall, if I get the Venge arcana, will I just forever not have access to the other two forms?
>>527298332You can buy the arcanas with unlocked modes on the marketplace
>>527295320yeah but when your pos1 is consistently in the bottom 3 for damage on your team and not even the top networth...
This og and secret game is very entertaining its a shit show
>>527298016What is the primary attribute of LD?
>>527299613fucking your mom
agility
>>527297728I was using wraith bands just as an example but sure bro if you are having luck playing cores with support items keep going with it idc
>>527300046druid's main disadvantage early game is gankability
at level 1 with bracer and blood grenade you go from 516 health to 815 health
I'd rather have more health than damage to start
>>527300340buying bracer is a starting item is extremely inefficient lol
>>527298613they have frail mental. there's a reason they're called carrytrannies.
>>527300460except for the fact it gives you more health and survivability than any other item, and his main weakness is being ganked and focused down
when you have 2 bracers and butterfly and you are mowing down everyone it feels pretty good
>>527299889Maybe you should try thinking for once.
sometimes if I don't feel threatened by enemy picks I will skip second bracer, but it doesn't hurt whatsoever to get it, bear can hold it when you get bracer butterfly morbid mask
Stupid Secret can't finish games
>>527300619you know what gives you a better survivability though? a set of tangos
>>527300907maybe you could explain your seethe better
>>527300990bear is giving you health making tangos redundant, you only have 3 slots you don't have space for that trash, because you want to hold morbid mask, buckler or blades of attack while you're finishing vlads
>>527300619your last ranked match was 3 days ago and you've only queued for 3 ranked matches in the last week.
shut up and start climbing if you want anybody to take you seriously.
>>527301181you could just admit that I'm right
druid does not lack damage early game, you lack survivability
this is an obviously objectively true statement
I have more matches than you do on bear necessities
you have 0, I have over 20 I believe, back to the cuck corner with you
>>527301181He beat heralds a couple of times that means he knows better than everyone else
>>527301315GIGACHAD keep going they're only looking to keep you down.
>>527301337you haven't used the facet
once, ever
I have used it for over 20 games and I figured it out pretty quick honestly, I guess if you aren't a stunted meta following seether things come naturally to you
just like satanic a 16 year old being the best player in the world despite all the grinders on the ladder playing for 18 years starting with wc3
Guys you don’t understand. He’s like Satanic. He’s just better than you.
>>527301740IQ is a thing, but did you get my underlying point
someone new to the game can be better than you, or have understood something that you didn't understand or have any interest in
this is not a bad thing, that's just life
>>527301884You have low IQ and you're bad at the game.
Kills mean nothing
Throne means everything
>>527302026k my iq is 132 what's yours, do they do iq tests in your favela?
>>527301884Somebody new to the game can think they’re better because they have no experience telling them otherwise. Look, I don’t play Dota much anymore, I don’t even know what LD’s facets even do aside from what I can gather contextually from what’s been posted here. However, if one facet were so much better than the other, and provided so much more, then I think people would know it and use it more than the other. Now as for what I know? I know you’re a delusional sperg that thinks far too highly of himself. That’s my two cents, so take whatever reply you’re already thinking up, and blow it out your ass and keep arguing with those other anons you fucking sped.
>>527302080Mine was 136 last I tested, unlike you I live in the first world.
>>527302551radiant because I don't trust weaver support
>>527302551Hard sex with ginger ranger
>>527302551right has more brool, gg
>>527302626yea so you have no idea what you're talking about, and you refuse to accept that I might have discovered something
it's literally 1/1000 pick rate
the thing is, just because you've been playing for a while you think you're better than me because I'm new, despite you never investigating the issue in any way
never even having played a game with the facet
the facet was originally nerfed to near half effectiveness after it was released
it is now at a 5% decrease in power from the release version
first off, for you to seethe so much at a new player sharing his experience with the facet that no one uses has to qualify as a mental illness
next for you to use my inexperience as a reason to completely dismiss me instead of actually looking into it or just ignoring my post speaks to your sense of grandiosity, you are a supreme meta lord who is better than everyone, just because you exist, not because you actually try new builds or play the game
>>527302637I live in illinois, I'm guessing you're stuck in europe with that inferiority complex you have, your ancestors weren't conquerors of new lands
>>527303249>I live in illinoisoof nta but my condolences
>>527303249Your ancestors were the weak scum of Europe who never conquered anything. My ancestors were actual conquerors.
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>>527302626You're getting bodied. I'd just leave.
>>527303106You put that guy in his place.
>>527303106>the facet was originally nerfed to near half effectiveness after it was released>it is now at a 5% decrease in power from the release versionHey retard, what's LD's primary attribute?
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>>527303567Ip109 haplogroup
put the british in their place, then conquered america
try again retard
I'm a Serb and have higher MMR + winrate than you in shorter amount of time.
Bow to me.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/313065033
>>527303763fucking your mom
Lol you niggas might as well get a room or something
>>527303965Did you test your genetics to make sure you're white? What absolute mutt behaviour.
>>527304098you have double my ranked matches, that is not a shorter amount of time
>>527304321I stopped playing unranked once I reached 100hrs, you didn't. I'm a hustler, you know.
>>527304143I know you're retarded, so letme narrow it down for you.
Is it agility or universal?
>>527304231curiosity is a trait of whites, dull headed apeness is a trait of the peasant
>>527304428you mained 1 or 2 characters, I tried half the roster
if I literally grinded 100 games on bn druid I guarantee I would be in the same spot
while these two homosex males are fighting I am wating for battlepass
>>527304513I already answered this, agility, arte thou mad
>>527304607My winrate with OD was 93% first 30 games until I started getting griefed by animals (or I started playing against more skilled players), it was reverse for me.
>secret are just picking the same niggas again
the secret is out!
has anyone above 1k mmr tried his meme LD build, at least in a turbo match?
>>527302551>morphlingauto-loss.
>ET>magnus>WRauto-win.
>>527304646Who are you hoping to see get cool skins? Personas? Nightstalker got a really cool one relatively recently but I want more for my boy.
>>527304805the next level play
>>527304835I had 1 guy report he tried it but he said it was safelane
he said he won after getting butterfly skadi but he later said a slardar ganked him with double damage and ruined his game
then I asked him if he went double bracer and I don't think I got a reply
>start queueing pos1
>winrate moves to 100%
amazing what a team can do when they don't have an afk carrytranny crying in the corner of the jungle about how shitty their team is.
>>527305141What do you do when your team have a combined death tally of 30 divided between all 4 of them while you didn't even get your first item?
Because if thats not happening to you, then you are getting carried hard.
>>527304917I know I missed qop's arcana so I'd like a rerun of that.
As for new stuff I don't know, Lion is my most played hero but he already has a bunch of good stuff.
>>527304757Ever consider there might be a reason why I ask?
>>527305353I have 10+ kills with 15+ assists and 0-1 deaths in my last 3 matches.
>>527305581as pos 1, the hero that needs farm and items to mostly be able to play efficiently.
Either you are not picking a carry, or you are playing against literal bots.
>>527305353>>527305581they also end in under 35 minutes.
>>527304607Real white people don't have to send their genetic material to jew corporations to test their whiteness, we know we're white because we live in the same land our ancestors did.
>>527305502you're insinuating the bear is the main character, maybe on the stupid retard bear with me facet
but on the correct gigachad brooling god tier thundercock bear necessities facet the primary attribute is agility, and the items are vlads on bear to start, 1 or 2 bracers and blood grenade on druid, into butterfly, next morbid mask on druid for 38% lifesteal, into satanic
then you can go daedalus, mkb, mljonir, or nullifier depending on what you're fighting against but the start of the build is set in stone
also if you need more catch in early game, after vlads you can put brown boots and orb of frost on bear
the cope when I say this is, but muh what about late game it might be good early game
in late game when you have your core items, you now give the bear power boots, desolator/orb of corruption, ac, skadi
>>527305678it's not immortal so yes, they are literal bots, which is why I'm playing pos1 exclusively now to get myself out of bot mmr.
drow enjoyer btw.
also if you can't figure out how to get farm and stay near fights, you are a bot yourself.
>>527305897Yeah ok, I totally believe you.
Specially with a slow as ass carry like drow.
Secret might as well bring back Parker this ain't it
>>527305745ok, but you weren't a viking conqueror
the danes took english and irish wives
creating the anglo saxon race as we know it
then my grandfather fucked an italian woman and his mom was polish
I am 99.8 percent white 0.2 percent ashkanazi jew
but it was illuminating to know what my dna tally was, and it was exactly what I was told
40% british irish, 25% italian, 20% polish the last 10 percent is like french, danish etc
>>527305869>you're insinuating the bear is the main characterNo, fucking retard. LD used to be universal, which was why bear necessities was good.
You've previously claimed several times that the facet is only 5% worse (nice math you fucking retard) than when it was good, without considering the most important factor.
many of you might know me as the bn druid god, but I'm starting a new revolution, I'm spamming venomancer mid now because I think it's funny
and actually not bad at all, I will give you reports on the details of this
>>527306662hey you stupid faggot 60 agility on butterfly is god tier for druid
you get 100 attack damage, 100 attack speed, 10 armor and 52% evasion on 5450 gold
this literally makes the build
go test it in demo mode
retard
>>527306184>40% british irish, 25% italian, 20% polish the last 10 percent is like french, danish etcMutt...
idk puppeybros this one seems kinda hard
>>527306908white and has a bigger cock than you???
does this make you mad???
your forefathers never conquered anything
one of my wives will probably be asian
it is in a conqueror's blood to conquer buddy
>>527307049>one of my wives will probably be asianMutt...
>>527307109asian women are superior in femininity to white woman
the white race achieved the pinnacle of masculinity, sadly this trait was also passed to the daughters of the master race
seeing as I'm attracted to women and not men, I might have to fuck an actual female, an asian woman instead of a man pretending to be a woman, the white woman
>Axe calls before blinking in
JUST LIKE MY PUBS
>>527307303I'm not surprised you've fallen for jew propaganda.
>>527307363bnld bro 1 the rest of you faggots 0
put in on the board
>>527307452it isn't propaganda it is literally genetics
white women inherited masculine traits from the master race, which is why their skin looks like dogshit when they hit 19, they have no mental ability to pair bond without being raped
but in other parts of the world, women just act like women and cook meals and shit, naturally, because they are women and not men
>>527307615Have you ever actually talked to a woman? Or do they run at the sight of your mutt form?
>>527307928I've had a lot of women interested in me over the years
I'm very high test so in real life interactions I have a ton of natural game as it is called
but online dating doesn't work for me very well because I'm 5'9"
I also just enjoy my hobbies like shitposting here so I don't actually chase women in real life
I have natural alpha game where I basically just naturally treat women like they aren't worth anything
>>527308201Based king keep owning them.
>pick invoker, AA or Axe, be absolute shit with them
>there's always a griefer, a dc, a extremely shitty player in the enemy team, a god tier 4 stack or a smurf in mine
>win playing like shit
>pick PA, not exactly good but
>there's always a griefer, a dc, a extremely shitty player in my team, a god tier 5 stack or a smurf in the enemy
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Why can't puppey stick with a line up that showed some promise now struggling with this og team is nasty work
>>527308201>I'm 5'9Oh no no no...
>>527308379you're telling me buddy, online dating is horrible
it's funny though because when I go to the gym or work I'm taller than like 75% of dudes and I live in a white area
>>527308324puppey hasn't had success since nisha yapzor
>>527308201>I don't actually chase women in real life>I have natural alpha game where I basically just naturally treat women like they aren't worth anything
>>527308379shit nigga im 5'5 on a good day short kings are winning in 2025
>>527308641I had the hottest blonde girl wanted to date me when I was in 8th grade but once I heard that through the grapevine I basically just never pursued her because I already won
I played out all the scenarios in my head of what would happen and I never asked her out
she would call me to like go on walks and stuff around town and I'd go and hang out with her
but I literally just didn't really give a shit at the end of the day when it came down to actually pursuing this chick and making her my girlfriend
>>527308521Do you live in fucking Moria or something? I'm 6'2'' and I'm average height where I live.
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>>527305976you're just a bot.
>>527308917Illinois
5'9" is an average height for english irish
but we have italians and polish here as well
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>>527309041>Enemy has two people with 6 deaths at min 15.>Visage on the enemy team>Your mid is 5/1 >Warlock with 0 deaths and 14 assist.>Im carrying myself solo bro xdyeah ok.
This axe performance is pretty crazy to watch
doesn't matter reverse sweep incoming
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>>527309402you don't have to be upset about being a bot.
outleveling and outfarming and outdamaging the entire game btw.
I'm actually cooking right now
venomancer is one of the characters that benefits the most from dots
what if we made a venomancer that focused on strength and brooling, and prioritize getting satanic in the early game
literally just outlast them while poison sting is wrecking them
no hurricane pike, just dragon lance
>>527310387>>527309041https://www.opendota.com/players/6994765
https://www.opendota.com/matches/8333332089
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>>527310387>outleveling and outfarming and outdamaging the entire game btw
>>527310583>legend>spic/brown name>barely above 50% winrate>under 1k gamesLMFAO
>>527310537at least half of your damage can be septic shock, I mentioned this yesterday but desolator, skadi, satanic scepter
but I think you might want to go satanic first over scepter, for survivability as a core position, and just get the orbs to start
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WHERE'S MY BATTLEPASS YOU FAT FUCK GABEN?!?!!?
>>527310972Why the fuck do you keep insisting, valve gave up on that shit a few years ago already, another abandoned thing on the pile of abandoned shit dota 2 has.
Its never coming back, we are on tf2 era now, some chest every once in a while.
>>527310972New event soon
I think the Enchantress cosplayer fucking died of Leukemia.
>>527313854https://medium.com/@bryndota/remembering-peachy-d9870bdbfc9c
>>527313854>>527314135Shit bro, that's no fun
>>527314135damn...
Anything good on her onlyfans?
>>527314931she did the human hoodwink too?
>>527314135I didn't need to know this
>>527314135"I guess the good do die young."
- Enchantress
>>527314135>>527314413>>527314931she did do dota cosplay on her OF btw.
Are you excited about the new Heroes of Newerth? I'm a former Master lol player and honestly a fresh start in a new moba might be better than getting into dota so long into its development.
>>527317170somebody brought this up in a match with me yesterday.
what's going on with it? last I heard S2 went out of business and there was just a hon private server floating around.
>>527317269Garena bought it out and its reviving it for their exclusive platform and to cash in on the pinoy crowd.
I doubt it will have any success only for the mere reason its not in steam.
>>527317405>I doubt it will have any success only for the mere reason its not in steam.This.
sad
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>>527313854>>527314135She actually followed me because of a loli pugna drawing and commented she wanted to cosplay her at one point.
:(
>>527317170lol
lamo even
hontrash will always be a laughing stock
>>527317668please stop I don't need more bad news
>>527317170Come on now you Might as well stick with dota 2 hon reborn will be played for a good 2 weeks before getting dropped
>>527317405>Garenaeasy pass for me then.
>>527318126imagine this but is pugna instead
sad
>>527313854>>527314135damn that's bad news RIP
https://coomer.su/onlyfans/user/peachyxbell
>>527319529why do all girls have onlyfans now?
>>527320856What did you expect?
>>527321568Sex sells. probably how she could afford health care in the first place.
Fucked up economy but blame the game, not the players.
>>527320419looking at this knowing she is gone is weird
>>527323574Hate the player, don't hate the game. Women have always been out, whorin' themselves.
>>527324138>blaming the girl when its the coomers who work for low wage that shower her with money.
>>527314135i was watching her coomer.su while biting my bottom lip. then i saw this and blood drained from my face lmao
>>527323574perhaps the "healthcare" is what ended her.
