Climax Edition

>Fatal Fury: City of the Wolves Now Available
https://youtu.be/lHjjlpCoBOQ
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2492040/FATAL_FURY_City_of_the_Wolves/

>Community resources
http://dreamcancel.com/how-to-play/
https://wiki.supercombo.gg/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zg8H1AgpgPBbAdpPdsGC3WRUEmGVajbv2Ea6b-FZ1kI/edit?gid=0#gid=0

>DandyJ's beginner guide to KOF
https://youtu.be/Ye3KVgI1LvU

>KOFXV beginner guides
https://youtu.be/t-mYZnOFxlg
https://youtu.be/cqTpKMethDo

>/neog/ Discord
https://discord.gg/HYAQYFh
>Official SNK Discord
https://discord.gg/SNK
>KOFXV Discord
https://discord.gg/mePUQup755

>SNK Media Gallery
https://pastebin.com/R7uX3B5J
>Assorted Translations
https://kof.eu5.org/
>NEO-GEO FREAK Magazine Archive
https://archive.org/details/@japanesemagazinesscans?sort=titleSorter&&and[]=subject%3A%22neo_geo_freak%22
>RedGGPO and romset
https://redggpo.com/
https://archive.org/details/2020_01_06_fbn
>KOF Official Site backup
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n98CoBR6GPywr3kzyydNCT5UHTwMNW51/view

Previous Thread: >>526723645

Reminder
Arcsys has 200 employess
1-10 million max budget
Great graphics and (mostly) bug free games with average to good netcode

SNK has 600 employees
100 million budget
PS3 graphics and buggy games at launch that are never fixed or fixed after years with buggy shit netcode

>>527330079
SNK is Game Freak but without the benefit of having an ip money printer

https://x.com/MetalSlugAwaken/status/1933132342396387516

Why the wrestling ring?
Why the priviledge?

>kill hotarus light confirm into dp break and 2C dp buffer
ok. fair I guess
>let kain zoom across the field and mash his half screen flashkick break into tard damage+oki+tip
BULLSHIT

What type of a mother would Angel be?

>>527331186
Sorry anon, but as a Kain main Oda knows he needs it.

>>527322273
Same thing happens with fans of fading music genres. They'll moan all the time how
>man, modern music sucks. no one makes music like [old artist] anymore
Then as soon as a new young artist/band comes out playing that style, they will shit on it and not support it no matter how good or even great it is. I've seen this happen in multiple genres and multiple fanbases I've been a part of, over and over. Different people. Rap, Grunge, Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal, Classic Rock, Psyche, Synthpop, New Wave, Punk, Post-punk Exact same thing happened in each fanbase.

>>527333785
If we take this as truism on it's face value, can we assume:
>Most oldfags will quietly move on to something else
>The vast majority of those that will remain will be jaded old man that can't enjoy new things
>even if the new things is exactly as the old thing they say the miss
>The amount of oldfags that will enjoy the new thing that is like the old thing is too low to justify an investment
Therefore, following this, can we say that Capcom and Bandai were absolutely correct in completely ignoring the old audience and making stuff targeting new people?

the new slop sold as "just like the old thing" is never actually like the old thing anyways.
cotw took mechanics from fucking SF6 of all games and retards act like its this oldfag game.

>Since it's green is obvious rev blow is the same

>>527330809
Cute!!!!!

Christ I'm fucking sick of Kain. They BETTER be planning to nerf this fucker hard since they for some reason didn't touch him at all in the update 2 weeks ago. They also really need either tone-down the damage, or make EXs build ton more Rev Meter, because combos(and offense in-general) do way too much damage for how easy they are to do in this game.

I wish someone would jump Leffen in the parking lot and rip his wig off his head

Game is alright (has neutral unlike all modern fighters) but I find the esports much more interesting as a busy adult. And if they don't nerf Kain I'm going to be pissed off. Never thought I'd root for Marco's vortex bullshit but I did while watching CB.

>>527340476
he should get jumped anyway for what he pulled on m2k

KYO WON

>>527341389
by 3k points

>>527329825 (OP)
giwtwm

>>527341389

>>527334567
bandai learned that with gundam in the 90s. they produced many Universal Century OVAs post CCA and victory but didn't grew the popularity, in factit declined, so they started doing AU and appealing to younger and/or different demographics. Gundam X was too close to UC but with more romantic elements and it didn't stick? they made fucking G Gundam lol
after G gundam was Wing and so on

>>527346836
forgot to add. newer UC content is not target at old UCfags. overwhelmingly majority of them are pushing 50 if not are already in the 60s
new UC content is made to appeal to a younger generation while also having references to old UC shows and events to make oldfags also have interest in consuming the media. for this same reason, the RX-78-2 turned into a mass produced model and its one of kind status got erased

i don't really keep up with all that gundam shit to understand any of that
i like 08th and that's about it

>>527348223
I think his point is other companies have already learned lessons about not constantly trying to chase an aging and increasingly less interested old fan base by trying to do new things with your works.

>>527348505
oh
well that just leads me back to my statements about trying to evolve kof rather than doing the same old base kof shit with very few changes that have been for the most part just been additional combozzz tools

>>527346836
>>527347330
Then it might be time for me to stop yelling at clouds and enjoy the new things for what they are. It might be best for both me and the things I enjoy.

>>527350209
It almost certainly is. Being perpetually miserable wishing things were 20 years ago has never worked out.

you can evolve kof without casualizing it and still make it the more fun of entries
afterall, blazblue started as the babby guilty gear and now it's more intricate than especially modern guilty gear and is still played to this day
the only thing that set it back was with dubfags who are not true otaku, unlike people who prefer superior folded over 1000 time japanese seiyuu (tl note: voice actor)

You know what, fuck the steamchart posters, I'm enjoying COTW and can find matches in under 30 seconds. I'm happy happy with the game, bring on the 3 years of support we were promised!

>>527351537
>and can find matches in under 30 seconds
what happened to 10 seconds
>>527350718
you should have learned that from great teacher onizuka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPdGW-8PKBc

>>527351976
whoops wrong link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLachBo2ayw

>3 years of support
lmao

Have they patched COTW yet?

realistically when are they releasing squadron?

>>527354897
un squadron was ported on the snes in the sweltering summer of 1991

>>527333785
BAHAHAHA so NOW the Oldfags are in the wrong. Yet paradoxically you fucks also think Zoomers are in the wrong! And the FGC? ALSO in the wrong! HEHEHE HA HA HA HA! Everyone is wrong, everyone but the 300 players in-gameHAHA HA HA!! WHO ELSE WILL BE WRONG NEXT TIME, /neog/?

1.Update graphics to be modern
2.Simplify the gameplay
3.Market it in the FGC and to vtubers
4.Quality test it before release
5.Good netcode


that simple. ez 1m-2m+ seller

>>527332603
A milf

>>527360467
6. have some cool/sexy characters that draw megadimes

>>527360467
Snk used to make different franchises look completely different from each other. Now they only do slightly better graphics with each new game. They barely tweak existing models so they can recycle, cotw and kof xv should look COMPLETELY different, with different art styles, not just change the shaders. If snk was capable I would like to see them throw their current 3D models away and make new ones from scratch, like when they changed the old sprites and replace them with the kof xiii ones

>>527362151
it would have to take the modelers being able to do a different style and it seems they're stuck on that

>>527362151
If they want to recycle just make high end models like tekken and recycle

>>527363884
given the differences in the way the new tekken's faces look just going by the reaction the only thing they're really recycling are the animations
which should generally be okay as long as the animations get the point across and look good or if you can tweak it further down the road to look good, and it helps if the company has built its own software to streamline animating for their own work
of course knowing how to do that is not a beginner fresh out of college activity so i doubt modern snk knows how to build something like that, when it was legitimately a starting project for a 3d class in college

cant blood money steal some smart monkeys off arcsys

>>527366526
yeah and then there's just more reason our fellow mossie team will have an excuse to lambaste them with antinuke strategies so sami zayn can call us warpigs

https://x.com/FATALFURY_PR/status/1933555014087122994

Lol this tweet.

>>527371190
kek at one of the replies calling out its visuals
not kek at some loser deleting my replies, pocko must be one of them uptight ones

>>527235120
>But he needed to be more brutal and powerful rather than just a manslut wearing a cropped jacket who is friends with everyone.
It's less he's 'friends with everyone' and more he just he isn't just a mindless thug or malicious person. He's got no illusions about who he is and has problem killing enemies and people who are threats to himself and people he's protecting (Kain and Marie) but other than that he's content to be perfectly cordial and has his own strong moral code regarding innocent people. Only person he actively shows interest in hurting/killing is Rock due to Rock's indecisiveness and being curious how strong Terry's student is but keeps his hands off on Kain's orders. The real problem is the story just doesn't give him anyone to really be ruthless towards besides NPC's and the one person he should have friction with he's explicitly been ordered to leave be. Which could have easily been remedied with having someone like Yamazaki and Freeman in but you know...

>>527371190
i love how many people are just telling them to get their shit together both on all their accounts

>>527336298
my favorite oldfag mechanic? universal green armor slop. its just like I'm playing ST or karnovs.

>>527359542
>so NOW the Oldfags are in the wrong.
No. Only some of them. But I know you're too retarded to know what 'some' means kek.
>Yet paradoxically you fucks also think Zoomers are in the wrong!
Again. Some of them. I'll give you some time to look up what 'some' means. It's OK, go and have another ice cream and come back when you understand. Nobody will judge you.

BROS... I THINK.. I THINK I WANNA FUCK PREECHA

>>527362151
Exactly. If you took a SSIV sprite and put it in KoF 96, it would not fit, and vice versa. Today, they just ported the SS 2019 models into KOF 15, and they fit perfectly. The games do not have their own sense of style, bar a few filters.

>>527371190
Surely, that account doesn't think that post is hype?

She's too good to be an npc

is the marketing failure team still redeemable

>>527378101
Agreed. She pretty fleshed out compared to the other NPC's too. I wouldn't even mind if they just made her a complete Leona function.

>>527378512
No. There's no real passion or confidence from them and everything they do feels out of touch, bland, and corporate. They need a real fan and someone who willingly engages with the audience like Matt Walker was for DMC5.

>>527378512
Fuck no, those retards could have rerouted that energy to have 2 entire alt outfits for the entire cast now but here we are sitting with not a single fucking new piece of content added to the game post launch. They posted all that shit and did nothing for the game. And grant being a fucking icon of a model existing but not playable is shit too.

So...is Grant supposed to be Vox's bastard son?

>>527380457
>tfw mixed the names up
Fucking kill me.

its ok lil bro
literally nobody would notice

>>527377746
>Today, they just ported the SS 2019 models into KOF 15
and to think i got into an argument about that before they were shown

>>527377740
Based and same.

>>527377740
I wanna fuck her ghost

Her design is fucking mid

shes a dude bro

Wait.... so she's based off Kuan Konta?
We missed out on peak...fuck

genuinely asking, where the fuck did the preecha is a transexual shit come from?

"The name Preecha is noted to be a masculine name in Thai"

>>527384838
>>527384604
twitter sjws

>>527366526
Given those glassdoor reviews unless it's for money, going from arcsystem to SNK sounds like a retarded decision.

Like if I was a graduate, ArcSystem looks like a more successful place to work
SNK is where your career dies off.

>>527385325
Unless you've got the confidence and talent to basically end up running it yourself. SNK desperately needs strong leadership and morale, I feel on top of the money being capable of hoisting and directing everyone properly would make you a rockstar there and help you grow a bigger name for yourself easier instead of having you be yet another name no one cares to even look at in the credits due to the lack of real competition.

>>527378101
snk is wasting this (ass)et

>>527384604
genuine answer, Preecha is supposedly a masculine name, one of Thailand's famous former muy thai fighters is a tranny that people were posting when Preecha was first revealed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parinya_Charoenphol) and her hair color was thought to be pink/blue like the tranny flag, so that got some retards to jump the gun and assume the worst

>See SHINOBI: Art of Vengeance

Thinking about it in the long run, perhaps SNK's jump to 3D was a massive mistake. I think SNK right now would be in a much better spot in the current FGC climate and still stand out if they stuck to 2D and were able to perfect those visuals and modernize them.

Yes, KOFXIII was crazy expensive, tanked the company, consumers snubbed it for being 2D while the industry shifted to 3D as the standard and all normalfags seem to hate anything not 3D, so it's understandable they abandoned it during that current climate. But they are in a position now where they can't stand out in the pack at all, Street Fighter does better 3D realism, Arcsys does better 3D anime artstyle, SNK currently excels at neither, and with Blazblue dead there's no modern fighter with 2D aside from UNI which never got popular. It would be a massive gamble and playing the long game but I think it could (coping) have worked out for them with some luck.

>>527388801
>can't stand out in the pack
w-wolf pack...? a-awoooooooo...

>>527388801
>It would be a massive gamble and playing the long game but I think it could (coping) have worked out for them with some luck.
In the past it was impossible for SNK because of the debts they had - it was either go big or go home.
Current SNK is debt free (I think), but for them to return to 2D they must accept having small teams, tightly controlled budgets, being a small fish in a big pond, etc. and with the current state of 400+ employees and the last CEO filling the heads of the Saudis with ideas of rivaling Capcom - I don't think it's an option.

I swear ever kofxiii nigger loves to talk about how much they loved the game but playing it has the same energy xrd players had when people told them to play the rollback update the game was "saved" and there was no excuse not to play online now. Then they suddenly were lacking in numbers and the game died just as much as before

>>527390158
See >>527333785

>>527385325
>Like if I was a graduate, ArcSystem looks like a more successful place to work
>SNK is where your career dies off.
the similarities just keep on rolling in unless you're cm punk

The sad thing is that they're not getting any additional revenue from selling the DLC since it's free.
So you're essentially having to work on creating these DLC characters for nothing,

>>527400497
well according to one anon
they're "budgeted for 3 years"
even though that's not necessarily how owning shares in a company works
but i just don't understand shares development

>>527385920
Ona should totally howl and quote Terry every single fucking time he enters the office. That will totally motivate employees.
Like imagine, you, lonely Japanese sallaryman. You arrive to work after a miserable lonely night of loli porn and hentai gaming, ready to punch the numbers and fuck off. But then all of sudden, this pudge-faced binoclard pats your back and goes
>AWROOOO OKAY?
Before punching you in the cock. That would motivate anyone.

Isn't this the face of a man who would motivate his employees

>>527388801
>KOFXIII was crazy expensive, tanked the company
I never got this story about how KOF12 and KOF13 " tanked" SNK. At the same timeframe Arc System were pumping multiple Blazblue games (a brand new IP at the time btw) left and right that had higher resolution and even more animation work than both of these KOF titles, this while supporting all major platforms including the fucking PSP and the DS. Meanwhile SNK put only 2 KOF games and go bankrupt? I don't think the sprites are at blame here, this reeks mismanagement to me.

>>527387113
The tranny thing is retarded. Preecha is just the first result when you translate "knowledge" to Thai. And she's a researcher. And furthermore, it's a ring name, not a given name. Fuck trannies.

>>527407201
Well it would help if she wasn't so fucking ugly (specially compared to the original concept arts) and her hair didn't had the same color of the tranny flag, SNK can only blame themselves here.

>>527406916
it was expensive because people worked long hours per day/week to get it done, which some people who worked there apparently made blogs reporting on, which is OT pay if they're hourly employees which i could imagine was the case

most companies don't actually like paying out OT because it's normally time + half for those extra hours

i've heard 20 hour work days where they literally slept in the office to wake up for the next day and keep working on it, but of course if you did that you'd be groggy af and not be able to work as effectively with all the yawning and drowsiness and weak cognizance levels even with coffee

so yes, mismanagement

there's potentially a more automated way (not AI) to come up with similar results for the kind of sprites they made for xiii without spending so much time on them but given the standard pace of work and overall competence, it's easy to see why they went around their asses to get to their elbows

>>527406916
XII and XIII development were mismanged. most of the money made went to execs and shareholders while devs worked in borderline slave labour. SNK was a what japanese call "dark company" at the time. a company that treats its employees below management level as poorly as possible with some really fucked up contracts

>>527407705
i should add to that, if you're slaving on one game without anything else to draw in money, each fiscal year you're just spending money without making anything back, depleting your budget and that is the expense
i don't think anyone is contracted to work there like it's a talent agency, it's kind of like at-will that only keeps you working there through incentives and on good behavior
most companies like that get salaried so i don't actually know what the pay period is like
but i could bet that poor treatment of lower employees did happen, especially if you had a guy like ryo "i'm totally not yakuza bro, honest" mizufune as head honcho

>>527384604
Here? People called her that since the trailer with the pastel hair.

I'm new to the SNK games. Is it better to play with ABCD representing the top row four buttons on a stick?

>>527406916
Not to bring up the tired meme but there's literally not a single blazblue sprite from that time that animated better than Kim's pants. XIII's bgs generally also had more going on.

Nerf fucking Kain already
ffs

Rev blow is an awful mechanic and the only people defending it are actual paid shills

>>527416469
It should be a Hold to Charge move or unsafe on block.

Watching Samurai Shodown > Watching COTW

>>527416668
If they changed only one thing universally about them it should be making them -6 and close enough for every jab in the game to reach.

Number 1 Shermie fan

>>527417361
how can he see anything?

>>527417361
Is it just me who thinks this character select screen is too polluted and ugly? It reminds me of DBZ Ultimate Battle 22 for PS1.

Why the fuck does Marco's blocked braked DP look EXACTLY like his blocked invincible DP?

>>527419896

>>527419980
just flip coins bro dont you want everything to be a gacha at every level bro I swear all fighting games are just dice rolls bro trust me bro

>obvious misinputs multiple times every set on stream even with pros
Jesus fucking christ SNK it's never been more clear how shitty your 20 year input buffer is, fucking fix it already

FALCON
BUMP

>>527380457
EOST has some genuinely amazing character moments but it's so fucking tedious to go through.

>New Mai figure announced
>Is COTW branded
>Is the classic costume that only shows in her hidden gear

????

>>527423123
>combos are too easy! pros never drop! boring!
>pros are dropping combos! fucking fix it already!

Samsho top 8 is finally starting.
https://www.twitch.tv/maxmode_fgc
Or re stream with out girl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9emKQDPn-IQ

>>527435421
>combos are too easy! pros never drop! boring!
No one ever said this
>>527434559
Why isn't this costume unlockable? Why is SNK so fucking stupid?

Diaphone is beating Xiaohai, does he not know the Ronaldo matchup?

>>527436981
...never mind

>>527435421
Dropping combos because the inputs are hard is not the same as dropping combos because you overcorrected to make inputs easier, you disingenuous fuck

Hokutomaru needs more of his shit nerfed if they aren't going to remove his airjump. Mickey mouse ass anime character

is no one watching CEO? This game really is dead.

Speaking of CEO, do they not have KoF even as a side tournament?

>>527439143
I have been, it at least has more viewers than Strive

>>527439143
I'm watching. There's been a lot of good matches

Score going full 101% berserker with Haohmaru.
Footsies? Patience? What's that?

I saw that tweet about the fucking charts and it's got me thinking. City of the Wolves was really the chance to bring SNK games to a new generation. But it's not over yet. Granblue didn't get big until much later in its life. There's still time for COTW to leave a second impact. We saw what happened with KOF XV and SamSho, And I believe they can avoid completely striking out a third time with the FGC

Did Laggia really lose to Leffen?

>>527441312
What they can still do with KoF and will be able to do with CotW is what Capcom did with SFV: release a Super Turbo Arcade Game of the Year Revelator +R Edition. New re-releases always generate hype if they have any improvements. That is the hard part, having improvements done by SNK.

>>527440470
I love Score but I can't abide this faggot character.

>>527441440
Xiaohai vs Leffen should be coming up

>>527441312
>Granblue didn't get big until much later in its life.
I don't know if fighting games can get a second wind like this without a second coof.
>We saw what happened with [...] SamSho
Despite some missteps SamSho was successful from a product standpoint, the real fuck up is not making a follow up.

>>527442814
Samsho was banked by Google's Stadia and Epic's store. They probably got more money from deals like that than from sales.

I don't agree with the "combos are too long and too damaging" sentiment. Nothing wrong with seeing high damage when in SPG. That's the point of SPG.

I'm ok with them increasing the damage scaling for REV Accel moves, that's it.

>Tiny hurtbox
>Can air stall making all jumps safe
>Super practically safe on block
>Plus on block instant full screen teleport
This game ain't gonna make it to year 2

Score makes it seems easy.

Been running into a lot more Dong's online past couple of days. He's rather annoying to fight.

>>527441312
>>527441801
This isn't gonna happen because COTW flopped harder than everyone expected, including haters. Neither casuals, the FGC or even SNK fans cared about it at all. It's like the Concord of fighting games where the company had high expectations before launch but it crashed and burned at the finish line. There's no way SNK will ever make another FF after this, the franchise is dead.

>>527450327
Steamcharts =/= sales.

>>527450760
This game completely flopped in every single metric. If you want to live in denial that's your choice, but the CEO got fired for a reason

>>527450327
They're making Art of Fighting
>>527450760
C'mon dude, the CEO stepped down.

Chris G bros...

haven't seen this much tierwhoring in a long time, even though darkangel has shown you can win majors with terry

but smaller rosters are easier to balance, isn't that right, kofxv-launch-roster

>>527459810
cool i didn't know wesley snipes was an snk character, must be the next guest

>>527459991

>>527459264
With that much money on the line you'd tierwhore too.

>>527460314
and it only further proves me right and the other anon i was arguing against about balance in fighting games wrong and stupid

>>527416119
>but saars we goon to kim (a character that never has a reason to stand idle in gameplay) idle sprite.....this makes it bettar, please play the game because I don't

You know what actually looks good? Having people fucking play the game.

You wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face because hopping on discord to ping matches is not beauty.

>>527434559
She is actually wearing both costumes at once and two bodies at the same time. It just swaps to the other one when you do hidden gear. It's kinda wild. Also she has bare tits under her hidden gear outfit.

>>527434559
this might as well be mai from almost any other game she's been in
hell it could be an sf6 stat

>>527461328
her outfit is actually a little different in this game

>>527461080
>this many people playing 2002UM
legit surprised, must be the discount

>>527462572
Me too. Maybe I should install it again.

Xiaohai please send that fucking loser to losers

>>527462572
It has always hovered around 100 -200 and it has good netcode

Someone got the Leffen tweet?

>>527441312
Granblue didn't get big until they released Rising. i.e. a whole new game with new system mechanics and other new content.

I'm not memeing but is Fatal Fury worth a purchase? The game looks cool (in gameplay only) but I'm a noob and live in Asia so idk if there are enough players for matchmaking

>>527464505
This is a street fighter 3 shitpost

>>527464723
Yes, matchmaking is fast and it's not hard to pick up

>>527464723
It's fun. I still get quick matches

>>527464723
In Asia you'll be fine, game whips ass and still has a solid online presence. Plus you get the DLC as part of the only purchase option so you'll still get some new dudes for a year.

>>527464732
retard
stop posting and just stick to jacking off to xii-i sprites

>>527465098
>>527464732
shiet, now I am the retard for quoting the wrong post.
>>527464505
fuck you faggot, this is some fgg shit of just saying shit that isn't true. I bet you don't even know nak is in kof-i

>>527461080
Did SNK ever added rollback to the Steam version of KOF13?

Nemo's Billy is so good.

It's nice to see him sticking to a main after he dropped Faust a while back since he was so bad.

>>527464723
game is a lot of fun to play. i still get matches easily in na i don't think you'll have problems with getting matches in asia

>>527465819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-DtxDOOWQw

>>527465819
They TRIED, and failed miserably.

>>527465819
It was so fucking bad that shit isn't on the store anymore, does that answer?
It was horrific

>>527466394
It's back up but it's not fixed. They probably gave up.

This is what they get for being cheap bastards and not letting the 2002 rollback team do this. Snk never fails to snatch defeat from the clutches of the abyss

>>527466139
>>527466394
>>527466237
>>527466535
Genuinely what the FUCK is wrong with SNK? Just have a dedicated netcode team. You're a multiplayer game company

>>527441312
>City of the Wolves was really the chance to bring SNK games to a new generation
With PS3 graphics?
Lmfao

if you're talking about second chances, you forgot to mention the king

>>527466237
>>527466394
>>527466758
Well no wonder people are not playing KOF13 on Steam then if the netcode fucking sucks. Why blame the players if the company responsible for the game is so incompetent?

leffenbros...

In all honesty the Stick in a Box tech just doesn't seem necessary for Asians since their stick is too small.

>>527468121
the venue is cold

>>527468049
I hope he fucking quits. Sick of that native grandma looking goon shitting up every event

>>527466535
all dem sowdey moneys and they go for cheap
but at least they're spending millions to get people to play their flop in annual tournaments!

>>527466139
>favorite fighting game
what makes XIII better than 98, 2002 or XV? I've seen so many people dick ride that game, is it the combos?

>>527461080
I never even said anything about it being a "better game" you insecure sperg kek. You people have a mental illness with everything SNK related

>>527467042
>>527464732

>>527439742
answering my own question hours later

steamchart niggas actually gonna post a chart where strive is on top and tell you that's a good sign thoughbeit

KOFXIII Code Mystics PC port with rollback on Steam waiting room

>>527459991
He's Dennis Rodman

Capcom please save us with SVC3

>>527470273
lmao

>le random twitter screencap about an opinion everyone already shared
nigga kill yourself.

>>527470872
If it was a Capcom game, people wouldn't have cared. The important part is that people already have one foot out the door when it comes to SNK games. They have to do everything right. That's just the situation.

>>527468671
graphics

>>527471041
>nigga kill yourself
SNK already did
LMAO

>>527471115
>If it was a Capcom game, people wouldn't have cared.
There is a small but non-zero chance Ronaldo is gonna be there during SF6's EWC grand finals as part of the prize ceremony or something, and both players and commentators are gonna pretend it's amazing to have such a cool guy involved

>>527471656
already did what? make you kill yourself? hopefully soon.

COTW is so fucking fun. SNK have been the most consumer friendly fighting game dev right next to French Bread too. Why must good games suffer, bros?

>>527471761
I've seen zero backlash about this

>>527471115
>If it was a Capcom game, people wouldn't have cared
Disagree
Unless it's the Japanese casuals then yes but for the SF fans and taking into account that they only get 4 character dlcs, they would've been mad as well.

>>527471991
Bro why you wound up about me posting a screencap anyway. Just fucking ignore it and talk about the game.
I ain't hurting your feelings or anything like that.

>>527472187
nta but they might pretend to be mad in social media posts but it would sell a lot anyway

Let's talk about Hokutomaru needing nerfs and Marco being a sleeper

Fuck all the investor, shareholding talk

>>527472113
There is literally an SNK hate cabal because they are owned by an evil Muslim king that hates LGBT, or something.

It's really sad because watching COTW top 24 has been amazing. The outplays are actually impressive and personalized to each player unlike SF6's RPS spam gameplay.

>>527472636
Kevin's a sleeper

wish darkangel69 was here to beat the chinks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA0TY-hPInI
some actual use for Rock's counter

>>527472636
They need to nerf Kain and give Mai and Tizoc some buffs

>>527472636
Niggas are sleeping on Kevin and Dong. Either of these characters getting buffs will be meta changing.

What is it with every SNK story being such boring slice-of-life "there is no real threat" bullshit ever since samurai shodown 2019? Did they lose all the previous writers too after they restructured?

>>527472837
I really like when people make a custom colour form their character and it looks really good. Playing online has revealed that most people lack a fashion sense.

>>527473069
That is every fighting game now.

>>527473217
Tekken already revealed that.

every cotw nigga
>yeah I've finished labbing the twitter opinion, the steam chart posting and the virtue signalling matchup ... fighting game? What fighting game?

why is reynald on winners side
literally everyone on top 24 could beat him
hell even punk or gio deserved more
fuck this game

>>527473371
Gotta defend COTW on /neog/ now

i know how to really grind they'are gears

cotw jenet's face is really bad and ugly and masculine

>>527406916
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/958496-the-king-of-fighters-xii/50729194
Based on this, SNK used dot per dot method which is very time consuming and requires a lot of people to just make 1 character. While BB used Vector art which is much faster and easier. Maybe if SNK used Vector art it would have made the work load easier and develop KoF much faster. If they used this method we could have gotten a 2D KoFXIV as early as 2014.

>>527466758
>>527466237
>>527467986
Wasn't it fixed or something?

>>527475586
see:
>>527466139

>>527475625
I mean, that seems good enough, no?

>>527474584
could have saved themselves a lot of time by writing the cotton gin of software to expedite a lot of it
there's algorithmic ways to project 3d space into a flat image using simple vector math and whatever else linear algebra concepts even if there are degenerative errors that can at least be tweaked and fixed manually, but it otherwise saves you a lot of work
and it can easily be switched between orthogonal and perspective(s)

I guess SNK was doing more conservative patches in the name of eSports integrity or something?

But if every month or so is a big tourney, you might as well get changes out as soon as possible.
Welp, salute to the upcoming Andy patch.

>>527477832
What game is doing balance patches 2 months after launch? Other than MK

>>527477832
All Japanese developers are like this. They feel guilt when players put hundreds of hours into learning a character only to have it get nerfed. But they are too stupid to realize that 99% of people will be happy about the nerf.

Just another reason to raze this genre to the ground and let it disappear for 10 years.

>>527478042
STFU, Kain is obviously broken and lame as hell.

I'm so happy COTW flopped.

i'm not, but i've been accused of it so i'll take it

im kinda neutral torwards cotw
was waiting to see how things went before buying
and yeah im not buying a shit yet unless theres a 99% sale lmao

>>527481267
its kino, you're missing out.

>>527481792
they turned my main into a tranny and a weak one
motivation zero lil nigga

>>527475801
If you're retarded. There is a reason everyone went back to 15 and 2k2

"The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail."

>>527482469
maybe even if XIII had the perfect netcode people would go back anyway

>>527471115
>The important part is that people already have one foot out the door when it comes to SNK games. They have to do everything right
More like both feet honestly, even doing everything right wouldn't work against inertia at this point. People were checking out claiming that COTW is a legacy skill game that they could never catch up in even though it plays nothing like KOF and frankly very little like MOTW. The FGC will always make every excuse to dodge SNK games, I don't know how people don't realize this when KOF is the only 3v3 game that people dodge because "learning 3 characters is too hard." You never see that same excuse for MVC, CVS, or DBFZ, why do you suppose that is?

Sure SNK pitched them a softball when it comes to excuse-making, but people would have just come up with something even if they had done everything right.

>>527485470
correct. they've been seething for years with 2 hours of playtime

>>527473217
It's literally just Strive Ky. I made the same color.

>>527482036
Who?

So will SNK take 3-4 years for their next game? I don’t think people will wait for them this long, they will be more irrelevant than now.

I wish SNK didn't cuck out and left the skin color edit in. I want to make gal mai.

>>527473217
I gave everyone a dose alt

>>527489332
I just noticed I forgot to do Billy's gloves

>>527489332
>>527489504
thanks, doc

>>527489139
The crazy part is that the textures are designed for it in most cases (not all though) so maybe in an update

>>527489139
I don’t think it’s related to modern politics. Allowing skin color edit, will ruin the presentation of the game. Imagine an American streamer playing with black mai or black terry. People will think the characters are ugly and not buy it.

>>527489986
the trailers for the game showed a skin color edit and the unpatched versions of the game have it on the disc

>>527333785
>Psyche
What genre is this supposed to be?
>Rap
Rap is noise pollution.

>>527489139
Mai looks better as a blonde.

>>527490328
That doesn’t change anything. It’s mostly not about making marko white.

>>527489986
>People will think the characters are ugly and not buy it.
that already happened kek

>>527490865
her face looks copypasted

>>527490569
Capcom also thought of that

>>527491079
Capcom doesn’t need Mai, just slightly alter Maki and make her softer than aggressive, change her toolkit because a baton is boring, and add fire powers. But that would be too cruel to snk.

>>527490904
from what, a lia thomas picture

Big Oda got a promotion.

>>527491290
Hahahhahahaha, did he put the blame on the ceo and got away with it?

proof you can fail upwards

>>527491290
It could actually be him removed from being involved in game development and just given an honorary position. Honesty might be big.

Oh what position was he before the promotion?

Who's the Reina (Tekken 8) equivalent in SNK?

>>527491524
producer
and not the endearing kind that takes cares of idorus

Based Oda, this will really make 'em mad

LMAOOOOOOOOO

After RE1, Mikami was removed from director to producer on the series until RE4, which on paper might sound like promotion, but Capcom actually didn’t like his attitude when making RE1, and he recalled being very mad about it.

mai is popular everywhere except in her own games kek
even in smash where she isn't even there

Becoming vice president is a flat out promotion and gives him more influence not less. You all can't stop coping. Oda won. Garou is getting at least three years of DLC.

>>527492313
they still can't get things done over there and that's part of why
even in america when you fail upwards like that, you ruin businesses because it's a stupid move that is afraid of firing
japan just looks like it's too afraid of engaging in a culture of just firing people
at least in america you have reasons why you'd want to avoid it title vii/viii lawsuits but they still do it anyway if they want to get rid of you, only that america is on the opposite extreme of firing people and then spreading work thin amongst the remaining

>>527492168
Man, the balance for sf6 is so ass after three damn years.

>>527492442
A promotion that doesn’t make him involved in actual game development because he will he busy with paperwork. The one coping is you because the game flopped and that’s a fact.

>>527492993
As a producer, Oda was no responsible for game design, character design, or battle balance. You have no idea what you're talking about. As VC he has way more power than being a producer for a single game.

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuyuki_Oda
I’m surprised that his biggest work was Street Fighter IV and onward to KoFXIV, I thought he was more involved in SNK’s old titles.

>>527493135
You’re a literal buffon if you think the producer isn’t involved in the game making. Otherwise Oda won’t be attending all the interviews like he did with Garou. Stupid resetera tranny.

>>527493226
He was involved in SNK's old titles, that wiki has incomplete info. He literally came up with Terry's "are you okay"

>>527493413
western cosplay "girls" are certainly something

>>527493326
Giving interviews as the face of the company doesn't mean you are involved in literally everything, you dip shit. Unless you think Krispy Kaiser is doing programming, artwork, and animation too.

Congratulations to Oda-san.

>>527493507
Why didn’t the previous vice president do it? Or the ceo? Aren’t those the actual face of the company? Retard. The hame flopped stop coping

>>527494043
so if there was a slot for the vice president available to move up to
then who was the previous one to begin with

>>527493226
>>527493507
He was barely involved in the old SNK games. His credits are
95 and 97
>'special thanks'
MotW
>planner

That's it. And 'special thanks' means he only had a small involvement. He wasn't even a developer, designer or anything for 95 and 97. He wasn't involved in Real Bout, He wasn't involved in *any* Samurai Shodown game. He wasn't involved in KoF 96 or 98, the two most influential ones. He was a planner for MotW, and that game flopped. He's barely SNK.

>>527497091
kinda like ono whose only real credit in the past was sound engineer, esp for 8 bit game audio

>>527489139
I wanted skin color edit, but I don't trust people to not spam purple skinned characters or some dumb crap.

>>527497320
they might make niggas

>>527497091
Also SamSho 2019 was made by another guy who’s an old head kinda with no input from oda
>https://www.mobygames.com/person/193453/nobuyuki-kuroki/
And it’s their best game since bankruptcy, meanwhile kovxv and cotw had fresh hire directors while oda does everything in the shadows. It’s really telling.

>>527497320
if /v/ cared enough about the game, they'd make white versions of anyone that had dark skin and piss off the xitters and get snk in a small bit of heat because xitter users love blaming things for their lack of ability to do any real work

>>527485627
>why do you suppose that is?
Because the games aren't good enough. Simple as that. XIV and XV are not top tier games. Yeah, there's an FGC bias. It's cucked. But the recent kof games are hardly classics. kek. Let's be real. This is the problem with some of you vagina brains. You think the dishonesty of the FGC excuses SNK releasing bad, lazy games.

"WELLLLL, THEY WEREN'T GONNA BUY ANYWAY."

So? Still doesn't mean they can release lazy incomplete stuff.

Since Darkkstalkers is a dead ip, but people are starved for Morrigan and Lilith, why not seize the opportunity to revive Twinkle Stars, since you have discount Morrigan? Yes he's male, but femboys are enjoying a very skyrocketing popularity, the troon bridget carried Strive.

Aww

>>527493413

>>527497578
Learn what subjectivity is, lil bro.

>>527497920
>i love dicks
nah

>>527498214
I don't faggot, but as a shareholder in the /shareholder general/, I'm offering my ideas to uplift the company financially.

your ideas suck

>>527466139
>constantly releasing broken online functionality
>why don't they trust us, man?
And the guy in the vid is delusional. 'You have to jump through all these hoops to get it to semi-work, and nobody's playing, but it's worth it'. No, it isn't.

Tf is Twinkle Stars

>>527498042
Yes. And subjectively, most people think the games are bad, you dumb wigger fuck.

>>527498392
Will sure perform better than cotw lol

KOF13 weenies are still moaning. Game sold worse than KOF15 and KOF13, btw.

>>527498554
LMFAO

>>527498640
Typo mistake?

you just replied to yourself

>>527498554
that's a low hurdle, even cris could do better

>>527498762
Yeah, meant KOF14 in the second sentence.

>Able to find matches under 10 secs
>Crossplay
>More users on Playstation
> 3 years of support

Steamchart faggots can die

>>527498950
>>More users on Playstation
>PS Store reviews are lower than even indie games at 1.5k
>more users
keep coping LOL

We're going to be on season 3 and this retard will still be posting steam charts for a game he has never played.

>>527499327
>We're going to be on season 3
There will not be season 2 nor season 3. Nobody plays the game for them to care anymore.
Even Granblue is performing better with fraction of the marketing!

No one gives a f about some tranny game.

man if noone gives a "f" about some tranny game then lmao at cotw's even worse situation

>>527499638
>lmao at cotw's even worse situation
We don't care anymore. Go hang out in /sfg/ or the tranny generals and leave us the fuck alone.

Why would CotW last for 3 seasons when it performs worse compared to KOF and especially Samsho? It's gonna be a miracle if it even gets a season 2.

>>527499497
We're going to be on season 3 and this retard will still be posting steam charts for a game he has never played.

>>527499870
Yes having less players than kofxv sealed the deal. I think a rerelease ultimate edition of samshow with crossplay will have more players.

I didn't buy COTW but hearing the news, I decided to try out KOFXV but out of respect to the guys here, the steam chart posting is getting boring and annoying and pointless.

>>527499802
>We don't care anymore
or ever
hey i heard leddit has a hugbox rule for you guys

>>527500220
He’s actually from resetera, he usually posts screencaps of their posts.

You're posting steam charts of numbers around 150 to 250 everyday hoping to get a reaction out of us because your life fucking sucks and you don't play any fighting games.
Keep it up loser

>>527500425
>hoping to get a reaction out of us

>>527500425
>hoping to get a reaction out of us
And he succeeds every time. Who's the loser

why dont you play the game instead of keeping mentioning the shitposter

If they don't do seasons (theyve already done work on the characters) large swathes of their employees won't have anything to work on (3d modelling, rigging, animation, game design etc.) The Samsho ARPG, AOF fighting are still in the concept stages/pre-production

>>527501264
>theyve already done work on the characters
they did some work on motw2 and that didn't get released either

>>527501315
Because the company went bankrupt.

>>527501264
Only season 1 has work done.

>>527501637
No, blue Mary and duck King have 3e models (don't know if hey have rigging)

If anything, they will speed up production of the season pass characters to be done with them and move on to the next thing... Instead of firing people or having people with nothing to to for months or years.

>>527501264
Honestly after the failure that was CoTW I hope they consider canceling AOF, SNK needs a successful game not another failure based on nostalgia.

>>527502036
Make AoF but not asa fighting game. Also you will be surprised that Oda talked about making TLB too lol.

They've gotta be starting on production on KOF16 by the end of the year.

>>527501546
i missed the part where that's my problem

>>527502179
i hope not
they need to refit their talent base first
they strugglin to make shit look good and perform good

>>527332603
a teen mom

>>527502179
Nope, you guys don't know shit about game design

>>527503334
>you guys
Come suck this fat cock you sissy faggot

>>527346836
X came out after G and Wing.

>>527347330
>new UC content is made to appeal to a younger generation while also having references to old UC shows
This only applies to Gcucks.

>>527502928
shes almost 30 tho lol

>>527505441
>double jump into air armor slop
yeah I dont know why nobody wants to play this game

>>527505441
Man, leffen sucks

>>527492168
now post cotw

The only game released in recent that's performing worse since release is MindsEye. Maybe SNK should hire Leslie Benzies

>>527506176
MindsEye atleast didn't bring in Ronaldo. if MindsEye brought him as a character it will perform better than cotw lol

>>527506792
ugly art, atleast bring good art retard

wtf am I watching

) see Kevin, B.Jenet, Rock, Mai, and Terry are under the radar, still.

>>527506929
>cotw barely looks better

>>527506863
there you go faggot

>>527507249
disgusting like your mother smelly latihx

>>527439143
What's CEO? Poverty EVO?

>>527473272
Only SF and SNK games are but capcom never took their lore seriously so it's whatever. GG already finished it's story.

>>527492313
Here comes the cope lmao

>>527500425
My man, when the 24 hour peak is only 300 what does it matter that he waits to post the steamcharts when it's at 150? It's all the same shit lol

>>527508830
next milestone is under 100, the lowest so far is 122

>>527510149
>muh we eating good 3 seasons
yeah fat chance LOL

https://x.com/SS07_KOTA/status/1933973940298469500?t=VMawsYclqRLZ_UDp3wPlkw&s=19

Kamige

it'd be funny if they had to do a bunch of layoffs

>>527503586
>watashi anheru, sanjuu sai!
>chotto ochame na onna no hito!

The great work continues.

Is AOF gonna be a fighting game?

Oda is Vice President, and we're getting three seasons. Simple as.

Game flopped. Simple as.

>>527512094
And it's still getting three seasons of support. Seethe.

by the third season you won't find anyone to play with lol

>first season character didn't even drop and the game's lowest player count already reached 122

I'm able to find opponents in under 10 seconds so who cares anyway.

Grim.

>>527513078
>lower peak than SF4, 10 years ago
Literally how did it flop this hard? I’m not retarded and didn’t expect it to be the blockbuster some people were hyping it up like here but not even the haters who wished it to fail expected it to flop like this. It flopped harder than Melty Blood.

>>527513549
>Literally how did it flop this hard?
WE'VE ANSWERED THIS QUESTION ON HERE MANY TIMES

cotw fags losing it kek

>>527513549
graphics. squeenix used to say turn-based no longer sells, until BG3 and Clair Obscure E33 came out. What did those games do different than jap games? better gameplay? lol. Graphics and presentation sells.

at the end of the day, cotw is a flop and cotwmanthas are being cannibalised by the kusomanthas and animemanthas they stood side by side with. siuuuu

KOF 14 is 2 euros on Playstation. Should I buy it? Never played a fighting game, I'll only do it for Mai's swaying jugs

>>527514417
Neither bg3 or expedition are particularly good looking games though, I honestly don’t understand how could cotw flop harder than melty blood. Maybe snk is just a dead ip

SNGAYS think they're getting flooded but the truth is they don't play and don't talk about COTW either, so there's no content to counter trolling attempts

>>527513549
>>527514739
Unironically the Saudi involvement was more detrimental than anything. People were already mad when they read about the acquisition but were hopeful but then the dogshit DJ and Ronaldo were announced and sealed the deal for people to start boycotting SNK. In return we got advertisement which you would think would offset the FGC boycott with new gag influx but it amounted to nothing for some reason.

>>527514739
>Neither bg3 or expedition are particularly good looking games though,
you're coping. Melty blood had anime, which itself is an artstyle that has it's own appeal and market now, without mentioning Fate/Tsukihime is a far more popular ip than Fatal Fury.

>>527515072
*newfag influx

>>527515072
>Unironically the Saudi involvement was more detrimental than anything
>resetera tranny cope
Without saudi blood money there wouldn't be cotw in the first place, the marketing that got it to 4k peak, would be even less. No 3 years support also. You faggots keep barking at the wrong tree. Saudis are also funding the new VF it will outsell cotw, proving your cope is delusion.

>oda comes and state ronaldo and dj where his idea
>still le evil saudis fault

>>527515261
You’re basically saying SNK with all the bells and whistles can only manage to pull in 4000 people. I don’t believe it. This game bombed and there’s a reason behind it, it isn’t the gameplay, it isn’t the graphics, it certainly isn’t the PR, literally the only thing people are mad at is the Saudis and their forced guests.

>>527515428
interesting how he had that specific idea considering that saudis specifically own those two guys contractually.

The PR was legit terrible.
Some of the worst I have ever seen.
This is not how you advertise a fighting game, or anything really.

>>527515536
because they were cheapest to get retard since his owners also own them...
Unless you wanna claim they put a gun over his head to take the blame, as if they care about a minor backlash when they own an entire country.

>>527515072
pls the people who really gave a shit about that ronaldo rape thing or saudi shit are part of a set called the vocal minority
and god knows they're a category filled with hypocrites
>>527514417 has it right, the looks of a game are the first thing people will see and determine whether or not they're interested enough to at least try out the beta, and a lot didn't even try that
and the small figure that did, which was smaller than that which tried out the sfdix beta, half got turned off for whatever reason and didn't return
and the rest, a sub 5000, stayed and played until they ran out of interest too, and by then, everything was working as it was supposed to, the netcode, matchmaking, what have you, so those things couldn't have been the THEIR excuse
they stayed until they got genuinely disinterested in the game itself
and the only people playing tourney are either those genuinely interested, playing for ad money, or for a chance to win some big snk oil money, and when THAT well dries up, those players are gone too

>>527515428
>>527515741
nice headcanon faggot
saudis are obsessed with ronaldo and coincidence! he is a guest in their first funded fg

>>527515839
The game looks good, moron. Nobody is complaining about graphics. People complained about 15’s graphics a lot more and yet it doubles Cotw’s peak. Cotw has better netcode and matchmaking isn’t an issue either like in 15.

>>527515839
>at least try out the beta, and a lot didn't even try that
Yes I forgot the beta, which was before Ronaldo and DJ were announced, proving all these claims are false, people weren't interested to begin with. It was a free beta, literally a free game, but only 10k people showed up.

>>527515115
But Melty Blood was successful?

>>527516137
10k people tried the beta before the guests were announced yet only 4k showed up at launch and you’re saying the guests didn’t cause this? SF6’s beta was only like 15k but the launch was 70k, Tekken 8’s beta peaked lower than its launch too. Cotw is literally the only game where people got massively turned off post-beta and the beta of Cotw was well-received and praised for the improvements over 15.

>>527514796
No people just know you're a mentally ill autist so there's no reason to try and argue.

first beta literally didnt work just like all their other releases over the last twenty years so why should they buy the release?

>>527516395
10k showed up because it was free, and even at that it's a very low number.

>>527513549
Did you really think that motw's roster was gonna sell gangbusters?

Was hyped to try the first beta. Opened up to see a shitty menu screen and bad UI
No training mode as well ffs

>>527516709
period
roster is just bland
upcoming dlc, even though i like duck and big, is bland and some of it is just resurfaces of characters we just saw in xv ffs
and the gameplay being looked at as a poor man's sfdix didn't help, it had no identity of its own whether it was the mvc3 look, the sfdix knockoff gameplay, the general bland model stylings and character selection, and no cool/sexy new character that draws megadimes to compensate for all of that, for which instead you have...vox and preecha

the game flopped because it's not fun
>but
launch pop lower than the beta

>>527516132
Why do you guys defend the graphics too much? PTSD from SF6? Tekken 8 is realistic and looks good you know. You say graphics aren't important to you, but are contradicting yourselves with how hard you're opposed to a change of style.

>>527517131
It's more fun than sf6 and that's mega popular. Why is that?

>>527517131
I honestly attribute that to the early access perk. If they made everyone play the exact same day it would've been higher. At least 10k.

>>527517239
Explain why Cotw looks bad, moron.

I'm probably the only one here who likes KOF15 character models over COTW's ones.

>>527517239
it's not that they're opposed, they're just geared in to defending anything snk does that they'll flipflop to the next convenient "truth" they come up with when snk does something else that contradicts what they were previously defending

it's no commitment to a certain policy, just commitment to defending snk itself

>>527517276
It's not more fun for the majority

>>527517415
>early access perk
getting the game early access was the same price as just buying the game tho
it wasn't a higher price point

>>527517424
bad face sculpts
shading is bad for some characters (Kevin, Dong come to mind)
special effects look primitive, just like KOF XV
bad animations

>>527517484
I don't even know why anyone would be committed to snk, they haven't made a good product for decades now.

>>527517476
rock and terry are better in cotw imho
but jenet is definitely worse and i'm not a fan of xv jenet either, mi got her in ok tho and so did kofas

but the general quality is all over the place too with cotw
i swear it looks almost easy to tell that the person who did hotaru also modeled iroha in samsho, but didn't look like the person worked on characters like jenet or dong

>>527517638
You really are a bumbling retard.

still getting those three seasons. :) keep posting those charts though.

>>527517638
>bad animations
nigga at least point out which of the animation principles have lacking execution

>>527517881
More seasons than players lmfao

>>527517881
on top of more two lane stages, ring outs, and a ranked update. the shitposters in this thread gonna be mad as hell. oh yeah, EWC support is locked in until 2027 as well.

>>527518140
>on top of more two lane stages, ring outs
literally the only things i'm looking forward to
everything else is not too promising or exciting

>>527471115
When you are a niche franchise you really have to pander to that niche fanbase. There's more shit you can get away with if you are mainstream, but SNK being niche does not have that luxury, which is why the Ronaldo and Ganucci shit hit extra hard for them.

>>527515428
I think it's a little bit of column A, column B

Oda wanted real lifers. Saudis picked which real lifers he could get. We already know Oda would rather have Hollywood stars and Michael Jackson.

>ronaldo and dj are the reason why the game flopped
how retarded are you people?

SF6 would add messi and still break all charts.

>>527520859
Messi isn't a rapist

Sick 3 seasons of DLC characters that still won't be used because Hokutomaru and Kain are fundamentally broken designs!

The need to keep Kain high tier if they want him to become as popular as Geese.

tournament, top 6:
https://www.twitch.tv/jwonggg

Nothing wrong here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2O0ak9anUM

KOFXV on rn

>>527524301
geese has aura
kain lost what he had left of his in these wussy endings

At a higher level, KOF XV is pretty fun to watch

>>527526993
I was one of the scrubs filtered by the bad matchmaking on release, but god damn that game looks intense in person in events. I genuinely regret not giving it more chances.

>>527527176
it's still there

>>527526993
>>527527176
SAY IT

>>527527379
I'm too deep into COTW and a pocket SF6 to play with my friend, I genuinely do not have the time or energy to play 3 different FGs.

>>527516396
Hahaha You're a legit sub 50 IQ retard, never asked anyone to argue with me I said you fags don't talk about the game either because it's dead DEAD

>>527520859
Everyone likes Pissy though

How many new characters do they usually put in every new KOF game?

>>527529549
8

>>527517726
>but jenet is definitely worse
No the fuck she isn't.

Oh no no no all these DQs at CEO. It's probably going to be even worse at EVO considering how many registered before, and if the game change much to keep interest before then. COTW is going to have the most fraudulent Top 3 EVO spot of all-time. Being a SNK fan in modern-day is just a series of non-stop humiliation.

>>527533541
Mass DQ's happen for literally every fighting upon the first year of the game's tournament lifespan.

>>527533541
>Being a fighting game fan in modern-day is just a series of non-stop humiliation.
fixed

>>527533395
cotw Jenet mogs kof. Not even close

cool trailer but we've already seen the character multiple times

SNK really looked at Akuma and said "yeah just copy and paste that guy but make him a girl"

>>527534752
Agreed. COTW Jenet is pure sex.

https://youtu.be/rM0pFqy99NE?si=Mz_b_a9VbtD4_8CM

Took them long enough

>>527534901
but enough about Yuri

They've done more for COTW than fucking Ronaldo did.

>kojicog drops vox for billy
>top 8 winners
its that easy

>>527535059
finally a release date

>>527535462
The character balance is absolutely wack

A little too late ma guy. The game's already a bomb. A lot of snk bootlickers will come at me for saying this but this game is just straight up flop. Even in Japan this game didn't hit the mark at all. So Good for snk to spend 90% of theit budget into bs marketing with stuffs that don't even make sense. Next time get mr. Beast maybe that will help with ur game. And the 10% that did go to the game really shows. The game looks like a game made for iOS and Android with unfinished UI and overall cheap feeling. As an snk fan this is just so sad to see. And don't say snk don't have the budget. They have an entire govt to back them up and they come up with this. 4 games in a row. What more excuse can they make up

"... Of the Shiranui style, at your service" SNK don't miss when it comes to the corniest shit you can say. Hey, write something interesting. It's a fighting game.

a billy mirror

>>527536609
kek. I play it almost every day, but you are right and it's hilarious. SNK make me laugh now.

>>527535059
>no hype, they've over exposed his moves for weeks.
>No fucking stage.
Lazy fuckers. *sigh* Glad it's free.

andy without the proximity unblockable is just not the same

>>527520696
It's ONE of the reasons. If you can't understand the concept of multiple reasons causing failure, the retard is you.

>>527536609
>esl babble

Lol ET is 40, average age in /neog/

>>527517638
>Kevin, Dong
Gotta admit, those two have terrible faces. What even is Kevin's fighting style, anyway. He's so fucking shit. I like his gimmick and the little kid seeing him as a hero and following him everywhere. That's a good base, but his moves and normals suck. They sucked in motw and they suck now. Fucking meme fans making SNK think he was popular. "I know! We'll reveal Kevin, get this, at EVO! People will be HYPE" = Nu SNK.

>>527517476
KoF 15 is just like CotW when it comes to models. Some are really good (Chizuru, Kyo, Iori, Vice, Isla, Mature), some are garbage (Ralf, Terry, King, KoD, Blue Mary, Robert, K', Vanessa)

>>527537952
>That's a good base, but his moves and normals suck.
Normals, ok I can see it. Moves in general? Dude punches a grenade, he kicks you so hard you explode, he drops down like a meteor in his new special. Character is cool, he just looks bland. He is basically Ralf without the bandana, or Clark without the hat and sunglasses. He needs some sort of headgear

>>527517639
Underdog syndrome. The entire FGC was like this in the 2000s, and traces of it are still there, even in more popular fg fanbases, if you bring up how other genres mog them in numbers.

>>527517639
SNK games are unique. Where else do I go if I wanna run into short hops? SF is too slow and boring, anime games aren't the same with their airdashes.

>>527538559
Chizuru model is ugly as fuck.

>>527516709
They got memed hard by people like Max; posers who like motw's sprites, but can't play, and say it's their favorite game. It's the irony of those people saying
>gao-row is snk's sf3
Yeah. No shit. SF3 flopped as well, for almost the exact same reasons. kek. But once again, Capcom was smart enough to bring back the next SF after SF3 with none of the SF3 roster whatsoever, only put them in as DLC. They did not listen to memers, they looked at what SF was at its peak. Whatever, though. I'm tired of talking about it.

>>527535059
So they are committed to sticking to the Season 1 schedule.
We shall see with Season 2 if it's a DNF and MK1 situation where they rush releasing DLC characters to get them out of the way.

Is there any data for how long into high/low dodge they get their air/low invincibility?

>>527517098
>some of it is just resurfaces of characters we just saw in xv ffs
Saw this coming a mile off when they added too many motw characters and put Billy and Geese in again, and put Yamazaki and Blue Mary in as DLC twice in a fucking row. And as we see, the DLC chars probably won't all have stages, either. They killed the hype by over-saturating the characters.

>Kains weak punches do not autobreak Hokutomaru's guard on hit
Come on SNK, buff this man already!

>>527540385
juicebox's spreadsheets are your best bet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zg8H1AgpgPBbAdpPdsGC3WRUEmGVajbv2Ea6b-FZ1kI/edit?gid=251484757#gid=251484757

In retrospect it's hilarious to remember when Kain mains in the beta were saying that this character's braindead combo blockstrings were going to get solved by GC and rev guard and nobody does anything to that shit STILL

>>527516971
I unironically canceled my preorder after the 1st beta, because I was already sick of snk fumbling for 8 years, and it looked like they were fumbling again. Glad I reordered, but still.

>>527516395
They're still in denial. It was the guests and the bad beta in general.

>>527540802
Thanks anon. Why is this kind of info not present on Dream Cancel?

ET crying cause he getting the Saudi money

Kain did not get touched and he only managed to get 5th.

>>527539429
*shrugs* Everything good is bad to some idiot.

Would anybody here not accept Saudi money?

>>527541306
For 1.5 million USD every single person on the planet would kill a journalist if they could get away with it. Anyone saying otherwise is full of shit. A milly and a half for playing a video game is insane, the ONLY reason people aren't doing it is because they know they can't cut it.

No one has the Leffen tweet?

>>527539772
You can go to the sf thread right now and people will keep asking for sf3 characters, yet we know Elena was their biggest flop yet. We know some tekken fans keep memeing about tekken 4 being this underrated masterpiece yet on interviews Harada has angrily told these fans to shut the fuck up because he remembers the negative feedback he got at the time and knows those people weren't there for it. Arcsys knows no one actually wants to play fast paced skill based GG, simplifying their games brought them success and the Xrd fans were all posers. Every time NRS tried bringing back the 3D era characters instead of the pre-mk4 cast they remained underplayed unless they're top tier. All these companies learned their lesson or made this kind of mistake in a lower stakes situation. But SNK, they got baited.

>>527538657
Punching grenades have nothing to do with cops. Ralf does something very, very similar and is a commando. He should have tear gas, flashbangs, use his night stick, use handcuffs or a riot shield in his super or SOMETHING.

>>527541587
my lifestyle is comfortable enough where 1.5 million wouldn't be a significant improvement

>>527541101
Everyone keeps saying it was the guests, but the guests weren't in the beta. People just didn't like the actual roster. If they did, they would've stuck with the game long enough to actually learn how to play.

>>527541637
Yep to all of that. Glad you see through their bullshit as well.

>>527541743
he should get a damage bonus against Marco and Preecha

>>527541880
>the guests weren't in the beta.
And it got 10k players. After they were announced, those 6k people nope'd out. Some thought the beta was bad, some hated the guests. This isn't advanced calculus, anon.

>>527541743
Stryker from MK also throws grenades and is a cop

Damn, dude looks devastated.

Unlucky bro :(

>>527542157
...and uses his night stick and other cop weapons. Think before you shill.

>watching a mike hollow re-stream

we are this close to a billy top 3 lol

>Got dumped by Xiaohai

Hotaru is finally honest tier.

>>527542208
>Mike Hollow
Does he even play games anymore?

>>527542790
I think he just uses her for the kain mu now

>>527542943
Only some game called Bleach Rebirth of Souls.

>2 of the best characters in the game has no meterless invincible reversal
Shotos are finally honest again

>snk pros seeing Xiaohai enter the venue
https://youtube.com/shorts/FZ9Ntc4Nx4A

Commentators more hype than the ones for Tekken

Do you guys think next kof is gonna keep the cotw movesets? As in, Andy with a demon flip or Rock with air fireballs

>>527544390
KOF16 will be an expansion for COTW, so yes

>>527541189
Dream Cancel is very lacking in comparison to some other wikis, and not just for cotw either.

We aren't seeing another KOF game this decade that's for sure. Seeing KOF pros in their 50's is gonna be a bit depressing.

>>527544816
Can't wait for weekly nursing home streams

ET feels like I'm watching my dad
C'mon ET

>>527544781
because nobody plays snk shit

>>527544816
Daigo got sent to loser's bracket in SF6 by a Chilean 14 year old kid who was born after Daigo's last EVO win. The Super Turbo tournament yesterday was won by a 20 year old kid who got good through fightcade and it was his first tournament, yet he 6-1'd Damdai. I don't think it's depressing, it's just how it is. The old guard will keep competing well into their 60s, and they're gonna get washed by random kids.

Fucking hell ET getting wrecked

Buff Hokuto

>>527545182
Everybody plays SNK games, just not English speaking people for some reason.

>3 Billies in Top 3
Kainuplayers? Hotaruhaters? Hokutomaruhecklers?

holy shit I fucking love universal armorslop

Man high level COTW is a blast to watch.

>>527545738
They're all still busted, Billy is just the easiest one to play because HDs and GCs are needed to counter him.

>>527535059
>https://youtu.be/rM0pFqy99NE
Holy shit, Straight Andy is awesome.

I think Xiaohai is going to win.

Xiaohai is unstoppable man

boring ass top 8

Xiaohai won

Winnie won

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Did Leffen beat Xiaohai?

>>527548805
Leffen didn't even make it to top 8

>>527548910
Xiaohai probably thanking his lucky stars then

>>527548805
he lost 2-0

>>527548984
Xiaohai is the one that put him in losers lol

you'd think losing hundreds of millions will lead to a lot of firings, but its only the ceo that stepped down?

>>527549676
The CEO has the biggest salary to cut, and they still need staff to make products to make up for the losses. A CEO taking responsibility for failure is something american companies should probably learn from.

>>527549676
and Oda got promoted. steamchart posters mass suicide soon.

>>527549676
The marketing was 20 million tops. Saudis already had their fingers in those pies before they owned SNK

>>527550097
>Promoted
He was put in a superficial position, probably with a pay cut, to start offboarding before he is asked to leave. Outright firing someone would make them unhireable for the rest of their life.

https://x.com/FATALFURY_PR/status/1934298396434788801

Positive comments
COTW will recover

>"The game is solved Hotaru is clearly Top 1"
>Marco wins the following major
>"The game is solved Hokutomaru is clearly Top 1."
"Terry takes out Kain in the Grand Finals of a major."
>"The game is solved. Kain is clearly Top 1"
>Top 3 is all Billy

"Gameplay is stale and the game is solved" faggots keep being wrong time and time again.

>>527550097
>The most retarded FG dev there is in modern day who unironically advocated for real-life people(that 99% of don't want) in their game got promoted to make even more stupid-ass decisions
kek I swear it's like SNK fans want their company to die, and look even more like a joke as much as possible.

>>527549676
Are you lot still talking about fucking sales shit. What a bunch of sad bastards you are.

>>527550798
COTW chads. Remember that every setback is a setup for a comeback. We will have our moment in the sun soon enough.

I'll pickup COTW when it goes on sale

>>527551453
The only thing interesting to 99% of people concerning SNK is seeing how much they fail and make themselves look like complete shitters. It's why so many people are having fun laughing at and shitting on them since COTW released. All the huge marketing did was just put more eyes on them ever before, just so that more people than ever before can make fun of them.

I wanna see SNK do well with the KOF franchise.
Hopefully they improve.

>>527551938
To be honest failing 4 times in a row and this time around drenched in oil money is just pathetic. I swear If I see this awful amoeba VFX once again in their next game I'll be actively cheering for them go bankrupt again. They have no excuses to still be making shitty mobile graphics.

I wanna see SNK do well with every franchise. EVO will be all SNK games and people will do steamcharts bait posts between their lesser successes like Buriki One and Aggressors of Dark Kombat

>>527551938
>The only thing interesting to 99% of people concerning SNK is seeing how much they fail
No, that's all that's left of this garbage of a general because everyone has fucked off being bored shitless of it. You're in an echo chamber, you just don't know it. I only came back because of the Andy trailer, and seeing the sales shit continuing here that my assumptions were right that you're all a waste of time to hang out with.

>>527551938
99% of people either don't know SNK exists or they're playing their games (mainly their older games) but don't speak English to come here shitpost with us.

>>527553657
>seeing the sales shit continuing here that my assumptions were right that you're all a waste of time to hang out with.
the only people talking about the sales continuously are shitposters

https://x.com/zDamascus/status/1934232622651044001
>How can we make this game grow? It's such a good game to play and watch. I need more ideas

Hate that we're in this MVCI-like situation where all the figureheads like the game, but most of the general audience does not.
At least the game looks alright and is supported by its devs.

I think in the short-term the dreamcancel wiki needs more content.

I won't have my gaming laptop for a while though, so it would be difficult for me to do :(

>>527557979
This isn't a MvC:i situation at all

>>527557979
i think doomers need to stop steam chart posting cause it doesn't really solve anything even if the games have really high active numbers

That dreamcancel website is terrible.
Even Virtua Fighter has a better formatted website.

>>527558683
https://virtuafighter.com/

Speaking of dreamcancel, how did SNK games even get into this wiki situation? Games from the same series, or even different versions of the same game, are spread among dreamcancel, supercombo and mizuumi. It makes no sense that regular 2002 is at supercombo while 2002UM is at dreamcancel for example

>>527559215
Yeah, most games were just grandfathered with the transferring of games from wiki.shoryuken.com to wiki.supercombo.gg.

But in the end, it's ultimately just a choice of convenience from a few community members to keep it on there.

>>527551202
>e(that 99% of don't want) in their game got promoted to make even more stupid-ass decisions
Tekken did that and t7 was the most sucessful game, the DLC was also sucessful

>>527550097
>and Oda got promoted
really? damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQWojYVReo

Were on IGN!!

>>527550428
Holy cope lmao

>>527563008
SNK games are on IGN all the time.

COTW still doesn't have a Wifi indicactor
and a random stage select?

>>527564230
didnt that SNK retard say that he doesnt want people to discriminate against wifi subhumans?

>>527557979
>How can we make this game grow?
Don't have dogshit characters
Don't have a sausage fest
Remake all the graphics into Tekken or Strive style (pick 1)
Remake the story into non dogshit

>B-b-but muh gameplay
No one fucking cares.

Mai Shiranui's farts. Discuss.

>>527561371
How does he do it? Can't even use the lower level of competition meme since he is also qualified for SF6. Xiaohai is the GOAT

>>527565812
Gameplay should also be easier or mashable like tekken for casuals imo

>>527569947
But it already has a masher mode AND a focus attack

>>527545281
Daigo lives off his hype and probably doesn't even play like he used to. And these kids can barely play any high execution game, so yeah, that's the way it's gonna go. Used to be young players beat old players because the games got more technical and skilled. Now if they beat older players it's because the boomers barely care about the dumbed down unga bunga slop the zoomers cried was gatekeeping them.

>>527551202
They'll never learn.

>>527569947
Just say that's what YOU want. You scrubs are so transparent kek.

>>527563008
The game's entire passage to release was on IGN. Also: no new stage.

>>527572325
hardcore mechanics worked so well for snk didn't it?

>>527490865
That's just a bri'ish woman.

>>527505984
Always have.

SNK IS going all out on making Ken the best he can be, right? They aren't going to half-ass and have him be vastly inferior to his SF6 counterpart, while Capcom made SNK's characters 1000x cooler than they are in the latest entry of their franchise, are they?

>>527573021
How does this guy do so well in games that he refuses to understand system mechanics for

>>527574160
Only time will tell.

>>527533292
yes she is
kwab

>>527536609
uhh, uhmmMM..... *panics*
ohhh OH *presses the game development button*
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND GAME DEVELOPMENT
GOT'EM

Why doesn't SNK attract youngins like this to their games like Capcom and now ArcSys does? This kid and the other one called Blaz made top 15 in SF6 today. Meanwhile the average age of people who've played KOF 15 and COTW is around like 38. Do their games truly not have any appeal to zoomies and others?

>>527569947
Gameplay doesn't fucking matter. Skullgirls sold well. MBTL sold well. SNK Heroines sold well. All the Capcom rom collections sold well. Smash Bros. Brawl sold well.

It just needs to have good characters, art, and music.

>>527577240
you know the answer already

>>527577240
I've seen random young kids playing old kof games at random arcade cabinets in the past year. Obviously that doesn't help SNK one bit though

>>527577240
12 year olds didnt grow up with SNK, its the same reason smashies were upset when terry got a spot in smash. Its a generational thing.

>>527577837
12 year olds didn't grow up with Capcom/Street Fighter either though.

>>527577936
capcom and street fighter have repeatedly exposed their IPs to the mainstream over the course of their existence. Fatal Fury is very niche in comparison.

>>527577837
>smashies were upset when terry got a spot in smash
Smashies in general or just Americans?

>>527577936
capcom moved on with the times and kept itself relevant to the modern ages especially through various other franchises such as resident evil and monster hunter
and people want to bone capcom's female characters like nico and the mh girls and re girls and juri and they even put over mai with giving her a 3d model of that shirt and shorts outfit, which would take snk too long to even make so they just retextured mai's xv model and called it a day

>>527577837
The most punchable face in existence

>>527572645
so if they wanted to look like a realistic "british 'woman'"
why don't they use realistic grafics for the game

>>527579501
Because you can depict realistic features in a cartoonish style?

>>527579776
you can also depict cartoon features in cartoonish style and look better
like strive
instead of ugly like snk grafics

>>527580116
Anon, just posting Jenet from XV to COTW wouldn't suddenly make COTW better.

>>527580226
no it won't but acting like ronaldo shut off most people from playing this game isn't addressing the elephant in the room either

>>527580574
Not SINGLE group bothered by jenet would make a difference to COTW

>>527580574
>Jenet is the elephant in the room

>>527580739
that's already established saar

>>527581048
I don't think indians like SNK, do they?

>>527581040
you said that not me
at least what i said is on a tangent of what really is a major issue which is the overall visuals of the game being ugly or mediocre
and cotw visuals are horribly MID

>>527581173
do they like extra t's tho

The thing about SNK is, their products now are just so STERILE. Nothing they've made in years have felt high-effort in visuals which everyone knows by now, and also presentation in-general. The UI in their games are power-point tier, the menus feel lifeless, etcetera. Just compare COTW menu to SF6 and Tekken 8's. Compare both COTW and KOF 15's character select to SF6's. Their games are such a far-cry from the others in presentation. Tekken and SF feel lively, big-budgeted, and high-effort, while SNK's stuff feel extremely cheap, indie, and low-budget in comparison. SNK couldn't even be bothered to do the dumb little virtual arcade-center lobby thing most FGs, including even niche ones like Blazblue do now. Instead, they just have an ugly, puke-green/yellow screen with square-boxes everywhere. The kind of marketing they did with COTW as if it's some kind of product that's some AAA-tier creation with the same amount of spectacle as SF and Tekken is bewildering. Like does SNK actually think what they make is on that level?

I would say SNK feels like they're stuck in the 90s, but that wouldn't be true, because 90s SNK put more effort into presentation 1000x more than modern SNK does.

sexy and she know it.

>>527582379
she needs to take a shower with all those dirt marks on her body and face

>>527581236
I think it's funny how criticized COTW's graphics are here in comparison to everywhere else, usually people just go "it's worse than Tekken and SF6 buy good enough", then here if someone calls it a ps3 game they make it sound like they are generous.

>>527582535
well it is a ps3 game, it's basically mahvel 3 with raked fingerprint textures

>>527582759
Proving the point.

happiness

>Steamcharts posts will be here in a few hours after the retarded COTW looks ugly discourse and the SF 6 Mai glazing.

>>527582064
> SNK couldn't even be bothered to do the dumb little virtual arcade-center lobby thing most FGs, including even niche ones like Blazblue do now.

I thought everyone hated the "ArcSys-style" chibi lobbies? And they wanted "pure" lobbies like CotW's?

I fell for the FGC's lies again :(

>>527582960
unlike the others, i can run down the list of offenses
and speak with an english accent
like billy's vertically scrunched up face
dong just looks like they slightly edited kim's xv face and threw on a different hair to make him look like the offspring of rufio from hook
what's with this fat neck btw, it's not even a neck meant for built people like brock lesnar, it's just fat
i mean his neck almost approaches his fucking chin, might as well call him a chinatown phone book
just because i pick on jenet doesn't mean there isn't a giant list of egregious issues elsewhere

>>527584078
None of that makes it on par with SF4 graphic wise.

>>527583369
>I fell for the FGC's lies again :(
The FGC is terribly disingenuous. It simply repeats the prevailing opinion, even if it denies what's really happening.
They chase trends, not make them.

>you will never have your chibi COTW avatar spam Rising tackle emotes in the lobby

>>527584815
that's just a discussion of modeling style and anatomy

>>527585090
yes you can and will right now

>Terry better in his guest appearance than his own game
Tragic

>>527590989
DarkAngel won with Terry against the top tiers just like Leshar (kof player btw) won with Terry against the top tiers. He is not top tier in either game

>>527591149
He's still better in SF6 than he is in COTW, at least comparatively. Dix has less of a gap between the top 2 and the top 5.

>>527582064
It's because Max tricked SNK into thinking that we all want to go back to the SF4 and MvC3 glory days where we had muh high execution and loose gameplay and everything else was bare ones.

He's also responsible for making the graphics look like Marvel.

He's also responsible for reviving FF because he told them that MOTW was a beloved cult classic and all Americans loved Terry and Rock like national heroes.

They literally made a game just for Max and he didn't even work with them afterwards because he was terrified of Retard era backlash.

What a disaster, this is why you don't listen to FGC influencers.

Yessir, that nemo vs xiaohai set was crack. Gonna be a good couple of years of great comp. :)

>>527593407
>They literally made a game just for Max and he didn't even work with them afterwards because he was terrified of Retard era backlash.
Sounds like you're a viewer. Has he ever had any real sway with his viewers? Are his viewers just that, (viewers, aside from you), and don't actually play FGs? What gave SNK the impression that he could be trusted?

>>527593407
>he told them that MOTW was a beloved cult classic and all Americans loved Terry and Rock like national heroes

When in the fuck he say that shit?

>>527337971
It's a good thig he stopped after 2 layers.

>>527419405
It is based on the Fatal Fury 2 and 3 character select, but in those there are less characters and they actually look like they're posing for a photo

https://old.reddit.com/r/Kappachino/comments/1lbmskz/the_gameplay_in_cotw_is_incoherentsnk_should_have/
> they’re relying strongly on the ex mechanics to substitute depth but all it really does is make everyone come off homogenize.

Yeah, REV Arts and Accel is where a large part of the depth is put into.
I don't see them as a homogenizing force when you need to vary your strings and conversely vary what kind of defense you use.

The bigger problem is that players aren't changing how they play based on SPG placement yet. (Or the game isn't incentivizing them to do that.)

Not just the extra damage you're able to do, but given that you use less REV Meter you should be able to do longer REV Accel combos/blockstrings, or more of the shorter ones.

dude is linking reddit

w-wolf pack? not like this...

lmao nice game SNK niggas. INB4 "uuuum actually chud it's totally great and fine that 3/4 characters dominate the entire game and that 90% the roster might as well not exist!"

Whats with you faggots reposting shit from reddit lol

>>527602163
>>527602857
On one hand, balance really is indeed bad. On the other hand, characters outside of the top can win, people are just tier whoring extra hard. I don't remember even Granblue being this bad and nothing we have here is as busted as Nier used to be. Probably because there were no multiple million dollar tournaments for Granblue of course

>>527596490
max's viewers are fucking retarded i can at least say that much

>>527603484
the game has been out for two months. there will be a balance patch, not like people who aren't even playing the game care about balance anyway.

is there anyone playing at all?
and im talking about actual players like you an me, not bloodmoney lusting chinxicans

Steamcharts have more players since Andy got shown which is surprising

Do you have a life outside of following steamcharts for a dead game of a dead company

I coom to Hotaru's feet from time to time, yeah

>>527604841

>>527608393
I play KOFXV almost every day, but I didn't buy CotW cuz it didn't have Geese

>>527596490
>Has he ever had any real sway with his viewers?
>asking if influencers influence in 20-fucking-25.

>>527593407
>It's because Max tricked SNK into thinking that we all want to go back to the SF4
But they didn't do that lmao. They homogenized and dumbed down the inputs, they made Rev Blow safe on block, they made the game Ex into Ex into Ex. That's not SFIV.

>>527582379
My favorite 3D Mai.

>>527582064
>Like does SNK actually think what they make is on that level?
Yes. They are delusional. COTW is my fav game right now, but the presentation is just about somewhere between SF4 and 5. But even those had better dust particles and in-fight lighting.

>>527577936
Yeah, they did. Street Fighter has been a mainstream constant since 2009. Some of you must be shoot schizophrenics.

>>527577240
>attract youngins like this to their games like Capcom and now ArcSys does?
Zoomers on a whole don't give a fuck about Street Fighter or ArcSys games.

>>527620368
Reminder dragon ball sparking sold 5m in 7 months

took years for the super popular SF6 to do it kek

That Preecha would destroy my white chicken arms

>>527620368
Isn't Apex free to play?

What went wrong for the game that was making all the right moves??

>>527621594
COTW has been a success. Posting steamcharts is pointless

>>527620368
>FPS to fighting games
>F2P to P2P
HAHAHAHAHAHA snkucks are FUCKING DUMB

>>527621561
That Rock cosplayer looks like they're going through alot right now. Also
>Mai cosplayer has a little Andy plush on her hip
Cute and based

>>527621695
>COTW has been a success
And I'm Ellon Musk

>>527621798
Oh hey Elon. how's you and my president's sex life?

>>527621945
no american plays this shit stop pretending

>>527621561
didn't know gato turned blind after catching fire

>>527621716
>F2P
You mean like the beta that couldn't even get 20k people? I agree, you SNKucks are delusional.

>>527621591
Wasn't the cotw beta? Why couldn't it get 20k?

KOF16 Beta is getting around 30k

Why the FUCK do characters have grounded rev blows that make them airborne?

>>527621561
S O V L

Hang all frogposters by the balls

>>527619148
Based and same.

Terry's biggest pop-off in 30 fucking years of fighting game history was...
...in a game he cameos at
At this point, it feels as if Terry and Mai are guest characters in City of the Wolves. The humilliation conga now feels like the humilliation ballet

Marvel Tokon will have worse content than KOFXV and no one will give a shit

>>527631010
You just know.
Your reputation, your public image, is just the half the battle.

>>527593407
>It's because Max tricked SNK
snk tricked themselves into caring about what max has to say when max wasn't an snkocksucker from the beginning like you guys

>>527621945

>>527547839
Why is Andy's head so small?

it's a wonder who recommended they try to rub shoulders with max in the first place
like who was the liaison for that
it wasn't you, was it, kk
i guess you can be forgiven because you ain't a fightan fag but still, it's a lesson to be learned(?)

>>527593407
Why do you keep pushing this narrative? lmao

>>527636497
They see the 1.8 million subscribers he has and think that he'll make everyone play their games.

>>527630892
>it feels as if Terry and Mai are guest characters in City of the Wolves.
Even without the cameos this would still be true. Terry and Mai (and pretty much every recurring regular) were staples in KOF for way too long to the point where now they are firmly more KOF characters than anything, people only care for them within that context and the average joe sees their appearance outside of that as spin-off tier, including COTW. And frankly there is no fixing this perception ever now, you can't just reverse decades of perception like that very easily.

>>527635041
The director directly bending over backwards for the dood while he’s probably prepping another fake reaction might be the saddest cotw humiliation ritual yet

>>527638341
that's just stupid, the only reason they watch max is because they like seeing his white ass react to stuff, especially stuff they already enjoy
if it's not stuff they already enjoy it's like, it has to pull something outrageous off for them to care

i swear i have to teach people humanity 101

>>527626117
because muh hype reads bro. just react bro it's not like you'll still get hit because we made high dodge too slow to become invulnerable on a reaction input.

>>527639117
Who pissed you off? Lmao

>>527642395
you did just now with you're post

This dweeb is one of the only people still defending the game but he's so mindbroken over steam charts that he will defend any and every shitty design choice the game sharts out.

>>527642691
so he posts here

>>527642854
Probably.
Hey schoolbus, rev blow your fucking brains out on stream.

>>527642995

Fatal Fury when?

>>527641658
This guy, meng. kek.

>>527644027
Probably in a few months, although they should do it sooner to bring in some of the poorer countries faster and get more people looking in. Although existing players might have a problem with buying the game at retail only to have it go on sale right after.

>>527636497
It's the FGC's fault for propping Max up as a spokesperson and shouting down all dissenters. The successes and failures in the genre are whatever the FGC makes them.

>>527634645
This. Nobody forced them to listen. Instead of having confidence and good taste in what's good, they gambled on the cult of personality, and rightfully lost. It's funny with all these modern fighting game devs. They're constantly asking twitter what makes a fg good, instead of just knowing. If the devs don't know, why the fuck are they in the position to make fighting games for a living. Capcom didn't need a focus group to create SF2. SNK didn't need a focus group to create KoF 94. Rockstar didn't need a focus group to create Vice City. It's like somewhere along the way, FG devs became these insecure dorks who don't know what made their own series good. Maybe all the based boomers who made these franchises left? I don't know.

>>527646835
because everyone just cares about a game making money hence the reason why fighting games are all trying to get people who dont give a shit to play them and the fgc influencers are trying to get into it now too despite many of them being so against it like 5 years ago

>>527642691
Never understood the intense hate that REV Blow gets.
Currently, it's still less oppressive to play around than input-eating Drive Rush.

Whatever tweaks are made to it, I think the devs still want to maintain the defensive aspect of it (guard point) above all else.

>>527646835
>they gambled on the cult of personality
LOOK IN MY EEEEEYES

>>527647620
>because everyone just cares about a game making money
well obviously one certain company failed at that even after trying such a method that was thought to help safely make them any money
it's as if it's a stupid method or something
it's like that dad who asks you what you want for your birthday and he gives you some remotely resembling knockoff brand version of it that doesn't have all the features you wanted

>>527646835
Publishers require a return on their investment to devs, and video game budgets have skyrocketed since the 90s now that programming teams are dozens of people instead of like, 5 guys and an intern who is doing double duty with lineart. The credits on games all involve hundreds of people all with salaries to pay, so sales failure is not an option because it's no longer a $1 million write off that only took a year to make.

>>527647680
It's because it's the scrubbiest mechanic in a game that is purported to be the anti-scrub game. Nobody likes having to play around it, and nobody likes having to lose a set because Timantha can mash it out 8 times before going into Overheat and not once be punished for it because you have less than 20 frames to react to it (and even less for some characters).

there's a funny scene that kind of frames it in the perspective of something similar to market analysis vs someeone just having that intuition of what works in a movie called big
of course i'm sure some pocko not minding his own fucking business will go "oh no a youtube link that's not vidya i better delete it" when he's not reading the entire thread to realize the context of something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERuhks3GNk
when you don't actually get what your audience is after, like snk, you chase after theoretical bullshit as compensation because you're too daft to have "it"

>>527648928
>It's because it's the scrubbiest mechanic in a game that is purported to be the anti-scrub game.

Absolutely.
It's a lot to put on the mental stack -- on top of invincible reversals and guard cancels -- to play around.
I think SNK correctly predicted that people would complain that guard canceling would be too hard. But their solution is too far on the other side of the pendulum.

>>527566894
girls don't fart

>>527649926
The worst part is they correctly made it less obnoxious than the entire Drive system Dix shit out, but it's such a glaring mistake amongst a lot of good ideas.

>>527566894
I need her farts burning up my smell receptors

I love SNK

>>527651000
>girls don't fart

There seems to be a bit of a buzz regarding Andy coming to COTW online. People are liking what they see of him. Are the tides beginning to turn in favour of SNK? I still feel the best course of action would be the Ken trailer at Evo then Geese gatecrashing Ken's trailer at the end with him dropping as DLC the following week with the game going on sale during EVO or SNK releasing a standard edition of COTW that is cheaper and is without the season pass included.

>>527655023
>SNK releasing a standard edition of COTW that is cheaper and is without the season pass included.
Eh no, fuck that lol
No way anyone would buy that with CR7 and Clown DJ in the game.

>>527655023
>Geese gatecrashing Ken's trailer at the end with him dropping as DLC
But I do like this idea, too bad SNK aren't smart.

>>527655697
Maybe the secret third guest character will crash it instead

What's the purpose of Andy's "Kuuha Dan" move?

>>527648928
Games were expensive (relative to industrial inflation), back then as well. If they weren't, then every developer would've been making AAA games in the 90s, but they weren't, because not everyone had the money. I could go more recent. Rockstar didn't focus test for GTA6. Ubisoft didn't focus test for the 1st Assassin's Creed. Call of Duty didn't focus test for MW2. Epic didn't focus test for Gears of War. Bungie didn't focus test for Halo. In fact, as soon as some of those devs started to listen to social media on how to make their future games, they started flopping.

>>527648563
LIKE ODA-LINI...

How much did COTW cost to make?
Take a guess

Faaast Penguin is a fun game.

>>527636497
I mean, the only reason capcom even brought back their VS games was because of Max

SNK finally got a new CM while KK got promoted to "developer"

>>527675403
oh no, not him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSXQE8KXLc8

>>527686660

>>527686660

https://x.com/StreetFighter/status/1934264986097828017

How come Capcome remembered Terry is Rock's dad but SNK didn't?

>>527687671
SNK wrote a whole story about it in COTW?

>>527687671
Kys

>>527675403
no offense but he genuinely done fuck all for years

When are the KOF15 and COTW Sajam Slams?

>>527689073
You'd have to pay the little weasel, and SNK is already in hot water with the money they've wasted

>>527655023
>Are the tides beginning to turn in favour of SNK
no
what you are see is "wow this game looks cool but i still wont buy it"

>>527686660

>>527686660
>google search image
>french artist
Yeah that checks out

>>527686660
ew, she looks almost like bjenet in cotw

>>527655023
now go through their TLs and see how much of that buzz is just people already engaged in some way with cotw

I'm probably going to go through every campaign, but is there any of the neogeo samshos worth checking out other than the first one and the fifth one?

>>527700743
usually people say the second one
the 6th is just weird with all the weird characters in there like some cart character

https://youtu.be/fZM-idwXuoo
I went to look for the Netflix and port and found there's an upcoming SS MOBA? Why?

> say I'll play all the CotW characters and do a bunch of stuff
> forgot that I suck at FGs and take forever to learn just 1 character

Sorry guys, I can't help you save CotW :(

the annoying thing about having this discussion, even though i'm gonna keep it going, is that everytime i criticized snk's gestures, there's always some justification, river, inlet, or fjord of an excuse
but particularly, one of the excuses was that they're trying to make money in some supposedly safe way in this evil economy, and it's a business norm, etc
and then when i suggest ways that would actually help them make money, it's like, who cares about money, as long as so and so is happy with the game, 3 years of support already, blah blah, infinite sowdey oil moneys, you mad, whatever
it's just constant flipfloppery

everyone i talk to is the same person
also i love sucking cocks too if that matters.

New thread?

>>527720930
I'm making one hold on

>>527723680
>>527723680
>>527723680