Balanced Edition

Previously on Copeg : >>527631054

>Latest News/Updates:

Vermintide 2:
New Map: The Well of Dreams - Live now! Skulls In-game Event - Patch 6.6.0
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/new-map-the-well-of-dreams-live-now-skulls-in-game-event-patch-6-6-0/108063


Darktide:
Arbites Class Coming June 23
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/arbites-class-coming-june-23/108085
Introducing: The Cyber-Mastiff - Dev Blog
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/introducing-the-cyber-mastiff-dev-blog/108442
Behind The Arbitrators - BTS Dev Blog
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/behind-the-arbitrators-bts-dev-blog/108667
Dev Blog: The Voices of the Lex
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/dev-blog-the-voices-of-the-lex/108785
Extended Arbites Gameplay
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/extended-arbites-gameplay/108853
Arbites Talent tree
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/introducing-dev-blog-arbites-talent-tree/108825
June Update: Early Balance Look
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/june-update-early-balance-look/108795
Hotfix #68 (1.7.6) - Patch Notes
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-68-1-7-6-patch-notes/108282/1

>Acknowledged but not really discussed
Ready Or Not
Starship Troopers Extermination
Aliens: Fireteam Elite
Killing Floor 2
Barotrauma
Left4Dead 2
SCP: 5K
GTFO
No More Room in Hell 2
Helldivers 2
Space Marine 2
Remnant 2
Payday 3
Back4Blood
Deep Rock Galactic
Earth Defense Force 6
WWZ
The Outlast Trials
The Forever Winter
and others

>Future games
Killing Floor 3 - delayed
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1430190/view/499441143215293470
Den Of Wolves - TBA
DarkSwarm - TBA
Blight: Survival - TBA
Firebreak - Jun 17th https://www.playfirebreak.com/
Wildgate - Jun 23 or something
Jump Ship - TBA Demo Out

Build planners:
Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/
Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/
Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/june-update-early-balance-look/108795

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/june-update-early-balance-look/108795

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/june-update-early-balance-look/108795
DISCUSS

>>527781138
>mobility buffs to tac axe
they really are just doing random shit

chainsword unchanged
headhunter autos unchanged
carpal tunnel syndrome weapons like the fast infantry las not addressed

>>527781138
Dogshit like it was months ago, and no new class is going to save their ass.

>>527781253
Chainswords, headhunter autoguns and infantry lasguns are supposed to suck

>aurics
>get cliffed by some retard shooting a pox burster next to me
>teammate tries to get me up, cliffs himself by sliding
>the other 2 uselessly bumble around having epic duels with poxwalkers
>they eventually get the other guy up
>let me hang for another 5 seconds until I just time out and die
>3 of them struggle to get half as much done as I did myself
>they wipe not even a minute later
>mfw

>>527781396
>me unga
>team bunga

auric's not even that hard if you're losing the mission then just win it?? it's not that complicated

>create a three player coop game
>give that game three classes
>don't make them exclusive, allow people to double up
>make only one of them actually useful
>make only two of them have synergy with each other, even though the other one is useless because shock grenades do his job both on objectives and against enemies
>make one of them completely fucking pointless to an absurd degree
>make the two useless ones have AI controlled damage sources that are extremely prone to FF
what did they mean by this
the funniest part is that this isn't even why the game is failing, the people who are tortanic'ing it don't even know this is a problem yet

>>527781474
You're right, I should've listened to the schizo voices in my head telling me that my retards were going to cliff me by shooting the pox burster.

>>527781659
stay out of my aurics

Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

>>527782153
That's enough, rat

>>527782153
I'm posting a rat give me a better pun

>>527782369
CACArbites!

>>527781253
I doubt they're ever getting touched.
Malicelet meta is unfathomably retarded, I assume they unironically use those weapons and think they're hot shit.
I doubt more than 5% of the player base even plays damnation, and assume havoc 40 is a 1% or fewer. Fatshark balances for malicelets and havoctrannies, but any weapons in-between are just left in limbo. I assume the only reason they're buffing shotguns is because arbeetus shotgun was designed to be actually useful, then compared to the other shotguns, and they realized they're all dogshit.

I also assume that people who use atrocious quality of life weapons just mod away the things that make them awful to use. I sure as fuck will use an auto clicker with laspistol or ogryn club.

>dclaw: 1st target adm vs Unyielding from 1 to 1.25
fucking kek what are these faggots doing

Firebreak?
More like FireBROKE!

>>527782495
Making the damage against unyielding 25% higher

>>527781474
>Anon unga
>Retard bunga
>Me conga

>>527782495
>adm

>>527782891
advanced dick mangling

>>527782495
i'm retarded and forgot to include it's a change to the riposte
>>527782886
yeah, on a weapon that already rapes unyielding. these swedes have no clue what their weapons are good at and are buffing for the sake of buffing

>>527782891
Adjusted Damage Model

>>527782891
Aim Down Mights

>>527783234
>these swedes have no clue what their weapons are good at and are buffing for the sake of buffing
Ever since the combat director left this is how they do wep balance. They don't actually understand any of it they just figure people give good feedback when they randomly buff shit so they do that. There is no further depth to their decisionmaking

>>527781138
Pure sex

>>527781138
>nothing about thunder hammers
>no news on ogryn power maul
>braced, infrantry and headhunter autoguns are all untouched
>nothing on infantry las
>chainaxes got nothing
>DS and plasmagun are both just kicked down the road and are addressed who knows fucking when
Thanks...? I guess.
Though the shotgun and eviscerator changes are welcome, thank god for those.

>>527783234
>already rapes unyielding
And you still can't do shit against carapace without zealot dash, and a single boss riposte consumes a third of your stamina unless you get stamina curios and full block efficiency.
Do you want every weapon to be a rusty spoon? Do you really think it's DS and knife being "OP" and not a few bad options sucking unfettered ass?

What went wrong with Firebreak?

>>527784378
remedy experiments with new genre and eats shit. that's really it

>>527782891
Serious answer:
Armor Damage Multiplier.
Basically if your weapon has 200 base damage on a light attack, and it's adm for Unyielding is 1.25, it means that the light attacks will do 25% more to unyielding innately, so it does 250 damage against all Unyielding type enemies.
It works other way too.

If your weapon has the same 200 base damage on light attack, but it's adm against Carapace is 0.3, it means your light attacks will only do 60 damage against carapace.
Because 60 is only 30% of 200.

>>527784378
The biggest issue for me is that the different missions are horrifically short and there's no variety outside of spamming strong enemies at you on higher difficulties. You have this massive upgrade tree and you're expected to play the same six missions over and over and over.
The armor also mostly looks like weird color blurred shit, and the weapon variety is unbelievably small.

>>527784083
What exactly does that have to be with an unyielding armor damage buff?

So there will be more balance updates

>>527784083
>Do you want every weapon to be a rusty spoon? Do you really think it's DS and knife being "OP" and not a few bad options sucking unfettered ass?
I think Uncanny strike is OP.

>>527784781
Yeah, from the sounds of it, for the next few months, we'll be getting a balance update once a month.

>>527784083
>And you still can't do shit against carapace without zealot dash
And that is his point. The devilclaw swords already are very strong against unyielding enemies. The devs just went ahead and buffed the unyielding damage on the devilclaw swords even more.

They didn't do anything about carapace

>>527784378
zoomers, who no longer have MMOs to do this with because the genre died, now perpetuate the same old antics of deciding that if a game isn't good enough to replace every game they're currently playing, it's a colossal disappointment and deserves to be nuked from orbit
that and I think no tutorial with very weird, unintuitive mechanics (shoot the possessed stapler with the rock mulching gun and drink from the faucet and toilet in the shelter to heal are both interactions the devs expect to be second nature to you the moment you boot up the game somehow) is filtering the fuck out of them

>>527784781
Why not just post of it all at once? Why the drip feeding?

>>527785082
>Going forward we will be doing regular balance changes to the game alongside big updates.

>>527785082
good news before the bad news

>>527785185
>fatshark doing smart for once since havoc
Thank god.

>>527785082
Expect reddit posts like "wow Fatshark is really taking care of the game now!" and "shoutout to Fatshark for their constant updates!" because they release a patch a week with one samll minor change in it

>>527785282
Better curb your enthusiasm, considering they do just about 4 big updates a year.

>>527784903
>1st target adm vs Carapace armour from 0.25 to 0.5
It's funny how they basically doubled the riposte's carapace damage even though most enemies with carapace aren't the ones you want to riposte without eating most of your stamina with an overhead.

>>527784378
>studio is known for cool stories and highly detailed worlds
>combat is always lackluster with terrible balance/enemy variety/map design
>they make a combat only game
>it has terrible balance/enemy variety/map design
Gasp. It feels like if this game released 15 years ago on XBLA for $12 it would both be right at home and still die in a month despite only having L4D to compete with.

>>527784083
>>527785497
Maybe they want you to use it on psyker with the peril block talent.
>implying
Nah, that would require actual thought, foresight, and knowing about game mechanics. There's no way it's not just random uninformed shit.

>>527785313
But they've been doing that already with the slop store updates

>>527783310
>>527783357
>>527782961
Not. Funny.

>Eviscerator Special Active
>Removed damage overrides
So does this mean they patched out the ability to activate Fury after latching on to do ridiculous fucking damage, or did they just patch out the damage override that stopped Fury from making it do shitloads of damage unless you did that exploit, meaning it will now do the exploit levels of damage on demand whenever?
The funny blue chain paddle making a comeback is not something I knew I wanted so badly, but after relic swords disappointed me so much this is pretty great.

>>527786038
I dunno lol.

>>527785703
>studio is known for cool stories and highly detailed worlds
Are they? Control I guess but is AW really that?

>>527783815
JUST GIVE IT FUCKING SIGHTS

>>527786138
You were warned.

>>527786382
Maybe I can finally make my we got flamers at home veteran a reality with the changes to specifically the dragon's breath shotgun.

>>527784378
Who?

>>527784694
>this massive upgrade tree and you're expected to play the same six missions over and over and over.
So its Space Marine 2? Grim.

>>527787035
at least space marine 2 had big robot man dress up
you spend most of your effort in firebreak trying to make your trash goblin look less retarded

>>527786038
Who fucking knows, wait for 23rd. Or whenever the playtesters start to talk about it.

Felinid update when?
>:3c

>>527787035
Atleast the missions in Space Marine 2 are lengthy if nothing else. Majority of the Firebreak missions are done in 2-5 minutes.

>>527786307
But Anon, it does have sights. You did buy the Krieg recolor skin, right? Right? You bought that weapon skin, right Anon?

>>527787520
you have to unlock the higher complexity variants, but even then it's just like 2 more stages of doing the same thing you did before but in a new square shaped map, ending in some bizarre encounter you'll need to learn precisely once and from then on it's never a challenge again
>repair the overheating vents
>repair the overheating vents again, but over here now after you passed through an orange door
>fill barrels full of water and send them down a zipline to this furnace that will regularly bathe the room in blue light that sets you on fire if you stand in the lit parts
>the end

>datamined files show a power sword that uses the relic blade heat mechanic
inshallah...

>>527784795
I agree, that's the biggest problem. If you only consider US when affecting weapon damage, it's fine on shovels, but DS and force swords get too crazy with it. Take away US from those and make it so it only affects melee rending instead of global and I guarantee most people won't complain about it anymore.
>>527784903
That's the thing, the carapace weakness is very obvious, but I like that it gives it identity. My thought is that if a melee weapon is unable to deal with carapace reasonably then it should have a good upside, and the unyielding damage + riposte is exactly that. It's still not thammer tier damage, you still have to eat the stamina cost to riposte, and you still have good mobility.
>>527785497
Funnily enough there's a perfect parry mechanic on the dclaws which makes a crusher overhead consume only as much stamina as a normal attack, but good luck perfect parrying one while not getting interrupted by other attacks or fucked by other crushers.

>>527784654
thank you mathsama for retardsplaining it

Some of these changes are really quite good, but others seem pointless. I also didn't expect them to just balance every weapon all at once after I saw the post, so I think getting upset that they didn't do this is retarded. Particularly when they mention that regularly balancing weapons is going to become a thing now (again). Helbore is good now, Evis is good now. The D. Claw changes seem overly complicated for no real gain? Shock Maul buffs are baffling? I have no idea if the 10-12% damage buff depending on the attack will actually mean anything. Also, why did both the Shock Maul and the Combat Shotguns get their Sprint profiles changed? Is Fatshark assuming you'll always be sprinting as an Arbites because their default movement is so slow? Whenever I play Ogryn, I often wonder why they even let you move without sprinting by default because of how slow the fat fuck is. And the DBS change is laughable.

>>527789505
DBS is good enough so it doesn't need that much, but it probably deserved way more ammo. I'm more excited for the pump shotguns to become strong in Havoc. Really great changes so far.
Arbites movement speed didn't look any slower than the other classes, judging from the video.

Does anyone else think Taxes will become the next DS4? That's a bunch of buffs for a weapon that was already strong, although it seems to focus on the heavy attacks which currently are entirely useless.

>>527789505
>I also didn't expect them to just balance every weapon all at once after I saw the post, so I think getting upset that they didn't do this is retarded. Particularly when they mention that regularly balancing weapons is going to become a thing now (again).
Why does it take multiple years to balance the DS and plasma gun? The meta isn't changing on a weekly basis. They put out a major update every 4 months and said balance changes will be tied to those. In 4 months you should easily be able to do a light balance pass on the entire game. If something gets broken there, don't wait another 4 months to fix it. It shouldn't take the better part of a year of regular balance changes to get the game in a satisfactory state.

>>527787387
Hopefully soon if fartshart knows what’s good for them

what the hell is a sprint template?

>>527788564
Yeah i've done all of the "high complexity" missions now and they go from 5 minute jobs to 10 minute jobs.
I've genuinely seen every mission and every map and i'm still in the refund period. Yeah I've not seen the higher difficulty stuff but the gameplay loop itself is just woefully incomplete.

Can you imagine Darktide except each mission was 5 minutes long on ANY difficulty?

>527790453
A better question (for the dataminers) is what are the other sprint templates and how are they ordered from slowest to fastest.

>>527789505
>Particularly when they mention that regularly balancing weapons is going to become a thing now (again)
I'll believe it when I see it (again)

>>527790005
They are trying to get ahead of review bombing and people quitting. This is a diplomatic way of doing things, frankly. Buff (or at least try to) the other weapons that need it. Get YouTubers talking about how these weapons are good now (keep in mind that they didn't say that the DS and PG are getting changed next, just that they are looking at them). The goal here is to make other options viable, so the shitters who crutched with the DS for a year+ now don't have much of a leg to stand on if every other class has at least one melee weapon that is a good alternative. And the PG change they seem to have in mind doesn't even sound like a nerf, it sounds like they want to make it advantageous for you to actually charge the fucking weapon. And that's completely valid because charging is pointless ATM except to quickly generate heat when you're about to get into a fight without using ammo. If I had to guess, they'll lower the damage value on uncharged shots, increase the heat (so fewer shots) per shot, buff the damage on shots you charge, and lower their heat. Will this affect the overall DPS? Who knows, but it'll probably shake up the TTK versus different targets. I could also see them increasing ammo use on light shots, maybe.

>>527790453
sprint speed modifier probably, maybe sprint cost too.

>>527790998
It's what it sounds like. It's the movement version of a damage profile. Different templates confer different sprint speed up, and default stam. I didn't know they had names though.

Whats hilarious is that they buffed everything about the shock maul except what actually makes it unfun to use: unyielding damage

>>527791625
I figured that much, I wanted to know the names of them.

>>527791731
Could be the Arbites has some Unyielding nodes that pair particularly well with shocked enemies. Vet has... What? Two Unyielding nodes (technically)?

>>527791970
Won't really save it because it has such dogshit fucking base values. Doing 20% or even 40% more damage doesn't help much when you're working with a 0.25 armor damage modifier

>>527791813
Having seen the repos (they are on GitHub) I don't think I've ever actually seen them use that kind of syntax in the weapon profiles. That might just be their internal naming scheme. I could very well be wrong though, I haven't looked at that guy's GitHub in over a year.

>>527786382
>>527786709
Now I really want this in the game. Imagine how satisfying it would be

>>527792154
True, but what if they have stunned enemies get bleeds and it stacks like US with Flamers and Shredders? I am just spit balling here. Fatshark knows about the ways you can just make the tics do stupid amounts of damage because the effects overlap from different weapons (even though they shouldn't; see - the Helbore bayonet changes). Either they don't seem to care, or they had it out for the Helbore in particular for some reason.

>havoc 40 with randoms
>psyker with scryer+assail
>ogryn with charge
>zealot with charge
>are you guys sure?
>yeah we're not metafags lol
>we get folded first horde

>>527792569
I guess it's possible. Fatshark does love to catch all cover up dogshit anything with "just make it do bleed stacks bro"

>>527792760
>ogryn with charge
Valid, actually pretty strong.
>zealot with charge
A little more questionable, but I've seen good charge zealots do very well in havoc. Somewhat modifier dependent.
>psyker with scryer+assail
OH SHIT NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU DOING

>>527792947
not saying everybody has to be meta, but a whole group with meme builds, if they're randoms, can be quite questionable. I mean the zealot even had a tacaxe and was spamming "vacuum capsule" the whole time

>>527781138
>DISCUSS
shotgunbuffs yay

>>527793168
>spamming "vacuum capsule"
Yup, that's an instakick

>>527793347
quick rundown on why?

>>527793418
Anon just hates vacuum capsules.

>>527793418
Cheaters

>>527792947
Scryer is tenfolds more viable than fucking zealot rush. The issue there is that bubble is also shitloads more viable than Chorus, so if you have only one psyker, you are better off with him taking the defensive zone ability and let the zigger go full aggression.

>>527793527
a bad cheater then since he was the first to die, the tacaxe should have been a sign

OH OH YOU'RE ONLY HAVOC RANK 34 AND WANT TO JOIN OUR HAVOC 37???


ACCESS DENIED!

How fucked am I

>>527792760
Charge zealot is fine it's just map dependent honestly, if it's an open map like Warren I prefer charge over relic as it lets you draw a lot of fire away from the rest of your team allowing them to breathe and pick stuff off, if the map is extremely claustrophobic then I might take relic assuming the team doesn't have multiple other sources of gold toughness.

That said I'm a little bias as I prefer active playstyles over what relic's amounts to.

>>527793168
>not saying everybody has to be meta
No yeah it's fine, I've won havocs with randos using weird builds, but
>>psyker with scryer+assail
Assail locks you out of psykinetic's aura, which is the single most important node in the entire psyker tree. Assail is also dogshit in havoc.

>>527793606
>Scryer is tenfolds more viable than fucking zealot rush.
No, because fotf lets the zealot safely dive and move around, on top of enabling builds that virtually instagib bosses, and pulling off sick clutches that would otherwise be near impossible. It's very difficult to use effectively, but I've seen better players than myself do some crazy shit with it.
Scrier's gaze meanwhile, at best, enables infinite staff use for 10s. I don't see any situation where that would actually make a difference. Even ground pound doesn't benefit all that much from it. It's good with shock staff, but why the fuck would you use that in havoc? Just use shriek, it's infinite cleave and deals fuckloads of damage.
>bubble is also shitloads more viable than Chorus
They both do inherently different things, but chorus is arguably safer and definitely more flexible. I've had infinitely more success with just chorus, than with cuckbubbles but no chorus, or even a bad zealot that didn't know how to position or when to use chorus.
>but shooters
Just dive with crackhead slides and pop chorus when you're close, all the shooters get stunned, then your team moves up.
>but muh cooldown
SURELY your psyker has psykinetic's aura?

>>527793849
Yo this nigga got REJECTED!

>>527794432
We all did, we are rejects.

You either die the reject or turn into the rejector

>>527792947
Assail is good but yeha Scryer is just doodoo

>>527793849
People just want high havoc levels to carry them.

>>527796716
I guess you could run assail with a double psyker group where the other psyker takes psykinetic aura.
Call me a metaslave, but not having psykinetic aura almost amounts to griefing, no matter how good assail might be.

After a week starting from 0 I've finally beaten Havoc 40 with randoms

it wasn't that fun

>>527798082
Now do true survivor with randoms if you haven't already
It's a fucking nightmare and disgustingly map and modifier dependent with 2.0

how shotguns work in real life
>extremely high damage
>next to zero armour penetration

I've seen one game (Insurgency) do this
Every other game company on the planet tries increasingly insane shit to try and balance shotguns

>>527798198
:-(

Does it mean I'll be Havoc 40 next week?

>>527798296
>how shotguns work in real life
The pellets also don't magnemagically run away from each other and spread wider than the broadside of a barn at 10 yards, yet video games make them disgustingly inaccurate and give them even more retarded damage falloff lol. I wouldn't want to be hit by a shotgun no matter the distance.

>>527798296
wouldnt a slug have armor pen?

>>527798296
Rising storm Vietnam

>>527798296
yeah and shotguns are obnoxiously OP insurgency (not a complaint)
I wish more games made shotguns fucking good

>>527798296
the last time I played a game with a good shotgun was Bad Company 2

>>527798606
It would but not a lot of it because it disperses its energy over a larger area, and doesn't have a lot of energy due to the heavy round. It would penetrate American drywall houses easily but not body armor, though it's still a heavy projectile with a lot of energy meaning you will be knocked on your ass with possible broken bones if you get shot with one even while wearing armor.

>>527798606
nope, too heavy and not enough velocity to get through armor and slugs are mostly rounded off

>>527794292
I stand corrected.

>>527798606
nah, it's more of a punch than a pierce
if you got no armor (or are a boar) it'll blow a hole in you
armor? you'll get some bones broken, and a nasty fucking bruise - but you won't get ventillated

>>527799332
Sexy gun (I know nothing about guns don't bully me)

>>527798543
no it'll only bump you up a few levels. getting to true 40 with randos is a fucking journey you gotta do at least 7 more

>>527798606
Not really. If we're talking about the standard ballistic plate worn by modern soldiers, it would hurt and probably crack a rib of whoever got hit by it, but it's still going to just bounce off. It's a big SLUG; it's heavy, drags, and spreads its kinetic energy on impact. Actual AP rounds fired from a rifle have pretty narrow tips and are designed to be extremely high velocity projectiles that retain their needlelike shape as long as possible on impact.
It's why the "12 gauge steel slugs. Armour piercing." scene in John Wick that so many people reference is so fucking stupid. Those things should just be bouncing right off the armour of the gooners in that movie.

>>527799867
fuck no I have my cheevos bbye

>>527799776
it's a short barreled remington 870

>>527799301
>>527799332
>>527799670
>>527799986
Why not make a pointy slug with a hard point?

>>527799776
gimme ur lunch money twerp

>>527800140
Shotguns are pretty unviewable in modern war, they're used mostly for breaching doors

>>527800140
cause shotguns arent rifled
>why not rifle it then
now youre talking about large caliber rifles and its no longer a shotgun

>>527800140
because it would be the worst of both worlds, adding no penetration but reducing the surface area for energy transfer

shotguns themselves launch bullets at lower pressures (you can fit a .50 BMG into 12 gauge, but it will blow the barrel the FUCK open)

just get a rifle at this point

>>527800337
I see.
>>527800504
What if you don't rifle barrel but make the projectile "self-correcting"? So it stays accurate by itself.

>>527800337
>Shotguns are pretty unviewable in modern war
not anymore, we're in the drone age anon

>>527800140
They exist but they're pointless because now you're just using a much (emphasis: MUCH) shittier version of an anti-material rifle.

>>527800184
No plz my mom gave it to me for a kebab :,(

>>527800701
yeah but the russians and ukies are using rifles with shot shell rounds now

>>527800681
>What if you don't rifle barrel but make the projectile "self-correcting"? So it stays accurate by itself.
slugs already do that to an extent but its not enough to keep the point pointing forward if you make it pointed

>>527800804
Darn

>>527800504
there are rifled shotguns, they're shotguns because of the type of round they're made for.

>>527800140
It would still lack penetration because it's slow and heavy, and if you want more energy and velocity you'd be using a 20mm antimateriel rifle firing 20mm cartridges filled with much more propellant instead of a 12 gauge shotgun.
Nowadays slugs in shotguns are only used in hunting, while shotguns in modern warfare are used for breaching doors and last ditch defense against small drones using buckshot.

>>527800989
>pulls out grandpa's old double barreled
kids these days..

>>527800701
>we're in the drone age anon
Why did it take so long for "hey what if we attached a camera to a toy helicopter and used it to deliver bombs" to become a mainstream war tactic

>>527801178
seen as a silly thing until someone did it seriously out of necessity
same shit as aircraft dropping bombs

>>527801151
Qu’est-ce que t’as osé dire sur moi, espèce de petite merde ? Je vais te faire savoir que je suis diplômé major de ma promo des Forces Spéciales françaises, que j’ai participé à plus d’une centaine d’opérations clandestines en Afrique, et que j’ai plus de 300 éliminations confirmées. Je suis formé à la guerre de guérilla, au combat rapproché, et je suis le meilleur tireur d’élite de toute l’armée française. T’es rien pour moi qu’une cible de plus. Je vais t’effacer avec une précision chirurgicale comme t’en as jamais vu, retiens bien ça. Tu crois que tu peux me parler comme ça sur Internet, pauvre tâche ? Réfléchis bien. Pendant que t’es là à tapoter sur ton clavier, moi je suis en train d’appeler un réseau complet d’agents dormants répartis dans toute l’Europe, et ton adresse IP est déjà tracée. Prépare-toi à l’orage, pauvre cloche. L’orage qui va s’abattre sur ta misérable existence. T’es fini. Je peux débarquer n’importe où, n’importe quand, et t’éliminer de 700 façons différentes, et encore, là je parle à mains nues. Non seulement je suis expert en combat rapproché, mais j’ai aussi accès à tout un arsenal militaire de la Légion étrangère, et crois-moi, je vais m’en servir pour t’effacer de la surface de cette planète, sale sous-merde. Si seulement t’avais su quel courroux sacré t’étais en train d’invoquer avec ta petite remarque, t’aurais peut-être fermé ta gueule. Mais non, t’as voulu jouer au con, et maintenant tu vas payer. Je vais te faire crouler sous ma colère, et tu vas t’y noyer, pauvre tâche. T’es mort.

>>527800870
Benelli did release a "new model" of the M4 called the Ai, made for shooting drones

https://benelli.it/en/arma/m4-ai-drone-guardian

>>527800140
It's not just the shape of the projectile, it's the speed. If you want to defeat Level IV plates, you need lots of speed, a projectile made from the right material, and is the correct shape.

Granted; there is an exception to this but it's really not worth discussing beyond the fictional: ridiculous speed. 5.56 green tip travels around Mach 3, and it's an round designed to defeat armor but it cannot it cannot some high end level 3, and it cannot defeat level 4. This is one of the main reasons why the Army is replacing the M4 and ditching 5.56. They have a concern (warranted or not) that our adversaries will be able to produce level 4 plates en mass and give them to every conscript. In effect making center mass strikes kinda pointless beyond "oof owie that broke something" and you might not even notice it depending on how much adrenaline you got going.

However, say you take that same 5.56 round and hurl it at Mach 10. It's going to beat the armor because mass x velocity is a real cunt. However, you aren't throwing any round at Mach 10 down the barrel of a rifle; unless you're the Tau. Hence... fiction.

In order to get a slug up to the right speeds, you need to quadruple it and that's to beat level 3. And no 12 gauge can do that, so it's pointless to discuss. 12 gauge and .50 BMG are functionally the same caliber, but go look up a video of what happens when you fire .50 BMG down a shotgun.

>>527798296
thank god we don't balance year 40 000 video game shotguns based on real life year 2025 shotguns

>>527801178
Drone warfare has been around for a long time, but only recently did they realize it's cheaper and more effective to strap grenades to toys instead of spending gorrillions on a few fancy UAVs and UGVs armed with expensive guided missiles.

>>527800140
pointy slug not fast enough

>>527801178
>innovation viewed with potential instead of outdated mindsets
never ever in the history of ever anon

It's healing. Up yours, doomers.

>>527802137
wtf i love firebreak now

>>527801392
What the fuck is lead 4 in tungsten? Google is producing no results. They can't possibly be talking about tungsten centered lead buckshot, can they? They know these drones are made out of cheap plastic, right? A single bead just needs to clip one of the fans and it'll instantly lose control and crash.

>>527790453
>>527791602
dagger uses assault template. heavy attacks cause you to speed up

>>527802241
>What the fuck is lead 4 in tungsten?
some industry term for totally not bird shot load

>>527801348
>I also have access to an entire military arsenal of the Foreign Legion
but only foreigners are accepted in the legion anon. could it be.. that you are NOT french?

>>527801984
>minefields are weapons for the dead
This dude made the Germans job so much easier

>>527802446
>but only foreigners are accepted in the legion anon.
false, my father enlisted in the Legion and there's no foreign in him whatsoever

>>527801178
Mass manufacture, combined with cheap, advanced electronics. That's it. It's similar to how the moment GPS receivers got cheap as fuck, we started cranking out JDAMs and overnight the US increased its air power's lethality 1,000 fold. You could take any bomb, even shit manufactured back in Vietnam, slap one of the kits on there, and suddenly your CEP shrinks from greater than a city block to 10 meters. I wish I had that webm someone made of a B1 dropping JDAMs on a base controlled by ISIS and then a few years later the Russians dropped bombs on the same building. It's like night and day.

>>527802446
im belgian :)
totally not french, ánon

>>527802446
French citizens can enlist in FFL. The Legion is officially part of the French Armed Forces

>>527802137
Telopots said it's shit so I'm not buying.

>>527802382
Birdshot makes far more sense given the fragility and you just want to saturate the area in front of you, but it is pretty gay of them to feel like they need to pretend it isn't birdshot.

today i learned there are rifle bullets that behave like shotgun shells
thanks copeg

>>527802446
french can join the foreign legion

>>527802742
>French citizens can enlist in FFL
doesn't that beat the whole point of "foreign"?

>>527802879
Projectile is projectile.
What the projectile does is dependent on a bunch of parameters but you can load a .50 BMG round in a rifled shotgun and have it act like a low velocity .50.
It's very interesting the whole layering of all of it. I reccomend checking out Taofledermaus on YT if you wanna learn more fun things.

>>527801984
>>527802551
>nazis still lost to these retards
No fucking wonder Russia and China are so hell-bent getting far-right governments elected in the West.

>>527802446
Tu n'es pas français toi-même pour sortir des âneries pareilles, Jean-Boubakar.

>>527803056
what u saying frenchgroid?

>>527803037
I guess there really is no substitute for endless human waves

>>527801597
>physics will change in 38k years

>>527801178
What's funny is that it took so fucking long for anyone to hit upon the idea of, "Hey... maybe we should use this massive fleet of transport aircraft we have to, like, drop fucking cruise missiles!"

We had the ability to do this for decades. Literally since the Cold War and somehow it never crossed anyone's mind to just load the things into a pallet, attach a parachute, slap on an altimeter, and let it rip.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/B7V2SMqjwrg

Congrats, every single transport plane is now a stand-off platform and you didn't have to spend a dime to change anything. The Air Force is being fags about formally adopting this, but they absolutely are going to because the testing is done, it's just pallets with parachutes, and you already transport the god damn missiles this way. It's an absolute nightmare scenario for any adversary because now EVERY base with a Galaxy, or a Hercules, or anything that can transport shit can fling nukes at you from 2,500km away.

>>527802879
And it's called ratshot

>>527802879
Look up Sabot Slugs

>>527804219
>DO IT

>>527790002
it wont ever become the next ds4 because everyone will continue to think its shit forever, despite that not being the case even before the buffs

Someone please give me a good Zealot boss killer build. I'm so tired of losing Havocs because my retard teammates just can't kill bosses, I have to do it myself.

>>527804219
>>527804349
NOOOOOOO

>>527790002
If there's no Untranny Strike nerf or availability to the Taxe, it stands no chance at supplanting the DS4 or knoife

>>527804462
i tried asking advice for it a couple times last week and nobody replied. i was hoping i could use it as a defensive vet option but everyone is way too power sword brained to bother despite that weapon being the most obnoxious feeling one in the entire game

>>527804563
Soi rat

>>527804462
>because everyone will continue to think its shit forever
Because it is shit forever. Eviscerator got buffed too and it's gonna be 100x better.

>>527804751
Onions rat

>h40 specials have just enough HP to barely survive a brainburst
devilish

>>527805986
if you have veteran 5% damage aura does it work

>>527780856 (OP)
any discord servers focused on co-op games around here?

>>527806932
whats the point of using discord on vg use your head

>>527806932
kark and balls

>>527806932
only server we have is kark and ball torture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrZUqVCa8zw

wow i really dont like the shock maul

101 weapons and 181 blessings were a mistake.

>>527809997
the bloat really is insane
all these marks nobody gives a single fuck about

>>527810217
Not even just marks. Entire weapons/weapon families.
Genuinely, we don't need 9 different autoguns in thid game.

Not doing moveset customization was the biggest missed opportunity they made. Imagine if you could pick between a hammer being WP hammer style, coghammer style or normal hammer style, with mixing and matching
This game really needed weapon customization in general, what a shame

>>527810217
>>527810365
they really do just need one auto rifle with three marks. one hard hitting semi auto, one full auto, and one braced. same for the lasguns

>>527803037
Most retarded post ever made here in a long time

>>527809997
WHERE'S MY PLASMA PISTOL AND POWER AXE

>>527804349
i posted this image first

Hellgun Lasguns when

>>527803020
It was subversively shifted around like many other things in the west

>>527811579
no I did

>>527811647
After Vet and Arbites heavy stubber

>>527786279
I can’t speak for Control but the ‘love’ for AW2 always felt super inorganic to me. Hard shill vibes.

>>527800989
>>527801348
what does that thing even shoot

>>527801591
>However, you aren't throwing any round at Mach 10 down the barrel of a rifle; unless you're the Tau
all of the major factions have stuff roughly equivalent too actually

>>527803964
Technically yeah, at least in the context of 40k

>>527810692
The variety aspect was tolerable before we could just reroll everything, now you can just change marks/blessings/etc. Really jogs the noggin

>>527812864
anti drone rays

>>527803037
Fucking retard

What's with all the psykers with scryer in havoc 40 today? some retarded youtuber made a build video again?

>>527814634
People realize it's very strong in the right hands, but that doesn't mean it will be strong in THEIR hands in havocs

If tacaxes weren't shit then why are they getting buffed, huh?

>>527781138
Shock maul gang ARISE

>>527815561
they're not shit, it's just shitters struggle with it

>>527815785
It's just copers coping with it

>>527815561
They're not shit, just riddled with nonsensical design decisions like movement inconsistencies and terrible sprint profile despite having the shortest reach in the game while being advertised as a fast movement weapon. Also the useless heavy attacks.

>>527815561
>>527816375 is exactly correct
very questionable design choices but this patch seeks to address those very things specifically
it wont make people who are shit with them any better with them tho, theyre not a hard weapon to learn use but you still have to learn how to use them but darktide players arent used to doing something like that

HOLY SKIBIDI
Mr E just made a video about the patch announcement!

I will use the heavy sword, my team can clean up the crushers :)

>>527817218
I think it's hilarious that the moment tanner left, you switched to posting about the single other known faggot in the community. You really should neck

>>527817929
I have never posted positivily about tranner troonberg

love goreksson :)

My latest h40 had:
>450 elites
>400 specials
>15 bosses
Will the buffed shmaul and eviscerator be able to handle it?

>>527817929
oh sweet tranner finally got bullied out?

Combat axe, bros?
Are we becoming superfluous?

>>527818657
Soon bro... Next balance pass.

>>527818129
ironically shilling is still shilling, sukdeep

>>527813163
Let them have this one. The Tau need a win.

>>527818589
The eviscerator might become a good voidshield and monster destroyer

>less than a week till dog cop drops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skBqRWSQiVc

When are we getting genestealers?

>>527818882
Just watch the video. You'll like it

>>527819154
Nope! Just the good old nurgle sorcerer.

>>527819327
Are we going to fight nurgle spellcasters? Ones that don't just stand around doing rituals?

>>527819327
>>527819154
A nurgle sorcerer except your pants fly off if you get caught in the spell

>>527819545
Oh no!?

>>527819602
It's true

man outcast engineer is hard. i just wanna lean heavy into the big gun because its cool

>>527817929
Want to hear a really a really fun fact? That faggot is literally posting in this very thread. He's the one calling the knife "a dagger".

vermintide 2 is substantially harder in every which way than darktide and anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional

>>527817023
i heard he was in the press build so soon he'll be posting videos on it
i cannot wait to see the most abysmal dogshit builds he claims are good, absolute retard cant think for himself and wont have anyone to leech off, he'll just self report as the complete shitter he is

>>527821616
It's harder to stay entertained

>chuddies mindbroken by pride month
I like mr e, he has a nice voice.

>>527817218
He may be a huge faggot but I appreciate his videos because they always teach me something new, he's got deep knowledge of the game's workings. I wish he wasn't the apparently only Darktide youtuber in existence though. I swear no other youtuber even bothers talking about the state of the game and patch notes, the rest are all just gameplay and build show-offs.

I'm just NOT using Chorus, NOT sorry.

>>527824848
he notoriously puts out a lot of misinfo but ok

>>527824643
kill ALL fags

>>527824848
>he's got deep knowledge of the game's workings
he knows absolutely jack shit about the game

>>527825118
>misinfo
Such as?

>>527825118
>>527825318
examples?

>>527819434
No. He lied to you. Sorry.

>>527825318
>he knows jackshit
>was the first guy to beat H40 with only 4 Ogryns using melee
Listen man, sometimes reality doesn't align to your feelings and you have to accept it. He's not Hank. Hank knows nothing about the game. Everyone who knows anything knows his guide is trash, he's been told this multiple times by other testers and Ogryn players, he doesn't care, he spreads misinfo, he lies, and he ignores what he doesn't like to hear. It means nothing that he's got like 6500 hours in the game when someone like chocoB (who doesn't even play Ogryn) is a demonstrably better Ogryn player than him.

>>527817929
>>527825118
>>527825318
hit the nail on the head

>>527825751
Can you just kill yourseld i'm tired of you shilling youtubers "ironically" you obsessed obnoxious retard

>>527826336
He's right and you're wrong

Can Hadron become pregnant? Tech priests in general?

>>527826785
>dude actually this guy who cant even beat aurics with the mk3 club is good
again kill yourself for thinking its funny to ironically shill some random retarded faggot
nobody thinks its funny
everyone is only suffering your presence because you just wont fuck off

genuinely hope death finds you quick

>>527827095
He literally beat havoc 40 so keep coping and seething

>>527827095
>incoherent screeching
pretty funny ngl

>>527826336
>>527827095
He literally was the first guy to beat H40 with a 4 Ogryn squad, man. It's on his channel. This came after almost two weeks of people saying it couldn't be done. What's the counter-claim here? It's fake? You sound like you're just seething that people who use YouTube also sometimes happen to be better at the same game you play. That's just how life works out. You aren't the main character, but neither are they. Get a grip.

>>527827402
>>527825751
Holy fucking truthnuke. Watch him call you a tranny and automatically concede.

>>527827095
did you also despise the popular kids in grade school back in 1999 for being able to beat ocarina of time? i literally dont understand what your issue is. havoc players are a tiny population

>>527827095
This guy just btfo'd you >>527827402

What is your response to being humiliated and destroyed like this?

Still 0 replies to my post asking what misinfo Mr E has spread

>>527828334
Haters in shambles

how do i get good enough to play havoc? i want the cool armor for everybody

>>527828607
Start by watching mr E

i dont think people that accomplish things are the best people to teach others how to do it

>>527829103
Those who can't, teach, right?

>>527827081
She's 300 years old, I strongly doubt any of her eggs are ever left if she even has a womb left

>>527829560
Don't you think they'd have technology for that too? Whatever they use to extend life could also imply a solution to that.

do you guys get paid to throat cock or do you just do it for fun

>>527830526
Write a fanfic if you're going to have gay fantasies.

>>527830526
You just got destroyed by >>527830653

Care to comment?

>>527827081
No. Some tech priests probably can. I doubt Hadron could.
>>527829816
They use cloning and shit though so not necessarily

>>527830761
will you throat me for free to or do i have to be your favorite youtuber for that priviledge

>fagslop in my /coopg/

>>527831474
I'm conducting an interview and i'm just interested in the objective facts of the matter

DS and plasma nerfs supposedly leaked because of chinks (thanks for all the leaks sliteyed retards!).
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/ds-and-plasma-nerfs-leaked/109013
If this is actually real, the DS nerfs seem sensible on the surface, but all it means is cementing uncanny strike even further as BiS since you can still reach 1 ADM on all armor types with it. The poke heavy damage nerf might actually do something to its breakpoints though, if it stops being able to one shot headshot elites without crits or thrust stacks it's basically like saltz rapier nerf all over again. One thing for sure, you won't be able to one shot crushers anymore without some extreme minmaxing at the cost of everything else. I actually like this and while it doesn't do that much if you already ran meta, they had the right intentions. If you don't run US+thrust though, it will be pretty middling as a melee, but with its terrible horde clear you'd be retarded not to build further for single target and make up for it with something else.
The plasma gun nerfs on the other hand completely gut it.
>base damage on primary fire nerfed alongside maniac unyielding and flak ADMs, 100% unable to one shot headshot most elites and specials without max crit chance or a dedicated ranged build which sacrifices melee nodes
>cleave reduced by a factor of ten times, can't use it for horde clear
>supression nerfed by a massive amount
>can't ignore bulwark shields anymore, THE most annoying elite to fight, further pushing you into frag spam or relying on flamer zealots/psykers
>secondary fire almost entirely untouched save for a slight unyielding and unarmoured ADM buff, only helps with bosses, still has far too high ammo consumption for how long it takes to charge and what it does
I think there will be a lot more backlash about the plasma gun than the DS if these patch notes are actually real.

>>527832425
*unsheathes heavy stubber*
Step aside, sah! You have been replaced

>>527832425
well they postponed those changes anyway for further refinement according to the blog so its sort of irrelevant

>>527832425
>parry special
holy kino

>>527832425
>there will be a lot more backlash
You couldn't possibly name something less important than ds and pg babs crying a river.

>>527832757
Yeah, someone likely realized "hey this stuff seems a little too extreme" and made the right choice to redact and postpone it. It's one thing for DS to be brought down a notch but the plasma gun getting raped so hard like that would lose them money, especially if it happened at the same time as the release of an overpriced DLC.

>>527834412
im not really good enough to speak on the efficacy of the ds but from the way you guys talk about it does seem like its a bit too versatile.

what do you want to happen to the ds?

>>527835153
Personally, exactly what those leaked patch notes do to it. Damage reduced so you can't one shot crushers anymore without high investment like martyrdom or all the damage buff on ability use vet nodes, nerfed US values and making US melee rending exclusively. Killing poxwalkers with it is merely tolerable in aurics, in havocs it's terrible for it, I don't think that needs changing.

>>527827402
>It's on his channel.
literally where
theres nothing but slop there, i genuinely cannot find it, if its buried under the slop youll need to pull it out
actually attempting to search on youtuve for a melee only ogryn havoc 40 is the one from reginald, j_sat, combine00, and emorist, which was before the ogryn rework, and certainly isnt the same mr e youre sucking off

>>527832425
>can't ignore bulwark shields anymore
it says partially, so i assume it just mitigates its damage some
its also worth noting that the uncharged and charged were pretty similar, so what this mostly does is just requires vets to use the charged mode and overheat mechanic for the gun too be really strong like the uncharged spam was, which is apparently an insane idea (its not)

The duelling sword will just be a single target devil's claw

Let that sink in

>>527836737
>the duelling sword will be used for duelling
oh good heavens

CHING CHONG PING PONG LING LONG U WANT DUERRIN SWOLD FUCK U HERE BOMB

Balancing weapons in a PVE game is a terribly difficult process that require a high IQ and a lot of work. Honestly I think Fatshark should make us pay for that instead of giving it around for free. But I guessit shows again how generous and perfect this company is, and we truly don't deserve them.

>>527836350
>its also worth noting that the uncharged and charged were pretty similar
Except for the part the charged shot takes far longer to charge up and uses thrice the ammo? If you want to use the charged shot to even remotely mimic what the plasma already does it gets on the same meme tier ammo vacuum of gunlugger holding down M1. They could've reduced the total ammo reserves instead, instead this makes it unusable.

>>527838560
>Except for the part the charged shot takes far longer to charge up and uses thrice the ammo?
yeah no shit, its a nerf
one that it needed ages ago
you can still do the same things with it but you *gasp* HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH THE GAME MECHANICS NOW????? WHUH????????
I NEED TO MANAGE AMMO, BE AWARE OF MY SURROUNDINGS WHEN CHARGING, AND MANAGE OVERHEAT???? HUH????

I love Kerillian.

>>527839547
wish she had an extremely bulky elven plate armor set

Why is every face like 60 and every voice like 30? (and why are the male and female morphs of the same models)
Why are 95% of hairstyles ugly when every 40k character I now has normal hair or is bald?
Why is every eyebrow ugly and why are they tied to the rest of the facial hair?
Döner?

>>527839547
I would say "marry me" in a nerdy voice.

>>527830761
LMAO you are so butthurt it's actually hilarious you care this much

>>527841163
I am perfectly calm
Do you want to address the fact that the haters just got dunked on big time?

>>527838034
what is this actual fanfic

>>527839547
Why is kerillian asian here

>>527838410
bro was huffing spice for a few weeks before this pic was taken wtf

Scottish zealot is cute. I would kill heretics and then hold hands with her

>>527844174
You will never think about your zealot once the arbeetus arrives

>>527844671
what if the arbeetus is mid?

>>527844671
I will call them Arr-bites and no one will stop me.

>>527845167
It won't be
Trust the plan
>>527845383
*double tabs you*
NO CLEAN SHOTS. LET ANON BLEED

>>527845383
Ar-beet-ays

>>527845383
I've got such a good name for my Arbites man, you have no idea.

>>527846978
*sigh*
Is it "Lex-Offender"?

>>527804631
The problem with the tac axe is that it doesn't really fill a niche. In theory, you want to be able to cover all bases between your melee, ranged, and blitz. If a weapon has no actual strengths, there's little reason to use it.
Power sword sees a lot of use because it does virtually everything you need out of a melee weapon. It horde clears well and with the right blessings it slices through armor like hot butter. That means you can take basically any ranged weapon that can kill bosses well, or even kraks, and you're set.
Specifically on veteran, weapons with uncanny strike allow you to abuse it for frag grenades, which carries mixed horde clear all on its own. Just from a blessing, not even the weapon.
Tac axe meanwhile, while being decent at everything, ONLY stands out for being good defensively. You shouldn't need or want that. You should be killing things dead before they can become a problem.

Also I think it's much better on zealot, and I don't like it there either.


>>527804558
Basically, don't.
If you're losing havocs because your tards don't have enough boss damage, they're not good enough players for you to dedicate an entire build to it, in the first place. It's really hard to build specifically into boss killing without dropping chorus, and dropping chorus means dropping your retards because they can't play without being pissed on 24/7.
Human bosses should die fast enough to dueling sword poke, even without a dedicated build.
Flamer should deal enough damage to monstrosities, as long as you remember unyielding on it. Everlasting flame is a given. I think penetrating flame is better overall, but blaze away is theoretically better for boss melting.
Otherwise you can use a boltgun with unyielding and cavalcade.
You CAN still bring a thrust thammer even with chorus, but now you're virtually useless in most normal melee scenarios, and if you also bring flamer, are slow as fuck. All of this is bad without a good team.

I'm trying to give Firebreak a chance but holy fuck the grind in this game is insane
You can at least play with other players now since they fixed the matchmaking but still, you get resources at an abysmally slow rate even on the highest difficulties

>>527832425
>dueling sword nerfs
Seems almost reasonable. I assume vet will stop using it entirely because uncanny strike is too important, so it's back to the shovel. Removing the stun stab almost kills the weapon for me, but I guess we'll see. I'd probably continue using the nerfed version on chorus zealot, but maybe it's knife time. Or shock maul if the buffs make it actually usable (I doubt it).
>plasma nerfs
So it's dead? I don't think there's any way to fire the charged shot fast enough for the 5-9 -> 1-9 ammo change to mean anything, because that feels like you're using like 1-2 less ammo per charged shot, but maybe it's more impactful than I think it is. The primary definitely feels like it's going to be close to useless.
I'm surprised they're nerfing it THIS HARD. There must've been absolutely ridiculous amounts of bitching about the plasma gun, and I don't even get why. It massively underperforms compared to flamer/flame staff with a bit of untranny strike. It'll be back to the bolter if they nerf it too hard lol.

>>527844671
>>527845383
>>527845987
It's arbites, not arbites.

>>527832425
Ah yes let's completely take away everything that makes the Plasma Gun a fun and unique weapon.
DS4 can fuck itself, it's not only overpowered but also unfun to use, but the PGun feels incredible and there's nothing else like it in the game. These changes are incredibly retarded, taking away all its identity.

>>527848821
>I think penetrating flame is better overall
Burn's unyielding ADM is already 1, and it only makes max burn ticks go from 24 to 72 damage on crushers, it's a god awful trash blessing. Run uncanny on your melee and take blaze away, that will actually do things for you.

>>527850270
>It massively underperforms compared to flamer/flame staff with a bit of untranny strike.
Just like everything else except, surprise surprise, frag grenades with untranny strike. Terrible comparison.
Seems to me they're just incentivizing the use of charged quick shots as a replacement for current plasma left clicks for pretty much the same effect, except you actually have a chance to explode yourself.
So auto venting left clicks become a fallback for when you want to keep shooting at high heat, but don't want to blow up. One can still use the high heat blessings to retain some semblance of effectiveness while doing so.

>>527851172
Or rather they're incentivizing the use of charged quick shots and manual venting etc.

>tfw nightshift chud
>tfw 2 sleeps untill NDA ends

>>527851068
>>better overall
>Burn's unyielding ADM is already 1
Yes anon, overall, not against bosses. It's literally useless against unyielding.
Penetrating flame is useful because it reduces armor for everyone and everything. You puff flames on an entire horde, and suddenly your psyker and veteran are doing significantly more damage with their DoTs without needing to uncanny. It's also useful when you simply don't have the room or time TO stack uncanny. Additionally, it reduces the amount of uncanny strike stacks required to ramp up to maximum DoT.
Additionally, none of the other blessings affect the DoT in any way, which is the main reason you should be using the weapon. Blaze away is great if you want to just hold down the trigger and blow through ammo like a retard, but you should only ever do this against monstrosities, which is what I said it's good against. The flamer is good enough against monstrosities without blaze away.

>>527851505
get a better job

>>527852117
I'm not gonna change jobs to fit my video gaming habit

>>527832425
The utter destruction of the plasma gun's uncharged attack is good actually. The gun is clearly intended for charged shots.
>parry on ds
I might actually start to use it, sekirotide is fun.

>>527852435
>do a sick 420 MLG airhorn parry on the CRUSHER's attack
>it costs all of your stamina, stunning you
>the other CRUSHER nails you into the ground before your attack even comes out

I'M GOING TO STAND JUST OUTSIDE THE ELEVATOR

>>527852770
>poxburster jumps him and damages tje entire team
>psyker straight up dies

>>527852631
It's fine I can do it every 2min.

>>527852770
I get so unbelievably angry over people not dropping down on Chasm Stations mid-event. They're just hangin out either waiting to take damage so they have a reason to use the meds everyone else has already moved past or think theyre helping by spamming mind-bullets at mooks you are busy mauling to death. You cant activate the doohickey until everyone is down there, but I think its the only map like that. This is one of the few peeves of this game I haven't managed to free myself from caring about yet.

>>527851068
>>527851826
I feel like I should add, in case I didn't make it absolutely clear
The +40% strength from blaze away doesn't seem to affect the DoT in any way from what I've tested. It does increase the stagger values, which is apparently enough to stagger ragers, but I have my doubts as to its effectiveness in havoc 40, and I don't value it nearly as much as debuffing enemy armor to cause them to die quicker.

If you did any testing yourself, please share your insights. I don't think penetrating flame is an amazing blessing either, but it does seem to me like it's the second best one available if you care about ammo efficiency and team support. I'd love to use something other than the usual 3, but all the other flamer blessings are completely useless dogshit.

>>527853789
>The +40% strength from blaze away doesn't seem to affect the DoT in any way from what I've tested
it does, blaze away is a power_level_modifier buff which is a global power increase, applying it to all outgoing damage including dots
overpressure for the longest time was ranged_power_level_modifier and only worked on the hit of the flamer, but it has since been changed to power_level_modifier and works on the dots now too

>>527853575
>shitter makes us wait forever by the terminus lock
>i have to go back and fetch him
>then he and another shitter stand and fight untop of the drop down
>i tell them to get down and stop making me wait
>they get a lot more obedient for the rest of the mission

My friend said his ogryn has like 500hp and like 200 toughness. Is that true? My psyker only has like 180 hp and 100 toughness. Plus they have good weapons and grenades. seems op

>>527854225
ogryn is exceedingly op overall but that amount of health and toughness is impossible, you can only reach one or the other with heavily stacking curios

>>527854225
Around 400 hp and 200 toughness is more realistic
Ogryns are OP in most difficulties

>the ogryn's stab knife is actually a vt2's spear
it felt familiar

>>527854149
>two identical flamers shooting a reaper
>penetrating flame deals 325 residual burn
>blaze away, firing into the air until at 5 stacks, deals 314 residual burn
>two identical flamers shooting a crusher
>penetrating flame deals 74 residual burn
>blaze away, firing into the air until at 5 stacks, deals 24 residual burn
This is the fourth time I've tested this just in the past two weeks.

>>527854225
Damn that's crazy.

>>527854467
Except stronger

>>527854225
>My psyker only has like 180 hp and 100 toughness.
It's worse yet. Psyker's only reliable defensive layers are empathic evasion and kinetic deflection. Ogryn has a half dozen nodes that give him damage resistance, and ungodly amounts of toughness regen as long as you just keep mashing heretics into a pulp. Ogryn can unironically walk up to a daemonhost and bitchslap it, put his ass up against a wall, and completely facetank it without so much as a scratch, with the correct build. It's gross.

>>527838034
>uncanny strike nerfed by half
>plasma primary completely neutered
based if true
the arc of dueling sword's existence would be fucking hilarious if this came to pass
from being barely popular on psyker, to wildly popular on veteran and zealot, only to be nerfed until it was no longer viable on psyker and only viable on veteran and zealot
what a fucking joke

in what fucking world do you have a poorly translated fatshark blog early though

>>527855231
>barely popular on psyker
What darktide were you playing?

>>527855303
the one where no one gave a shit about dueling sword and continued to use knoif on psyker until dueling sword came to veteran and zealot and whatever changes that brought with it
you know, this reality

>>527854521
thats weird, because i can definitely see a 40% damage increase on the burn ticks as i hold down the trigger in the related image.
youre also comparing 20% brittleness, which is a +0.2 to the adm (something completely different), which would end up being higher for some armor types like carapace and unyielding, since the damage modifier its multiplying the base damage off of is 0.2 higher, which especially for carapace will result in a much higher result than 40% more damage to the damage thats happening with the unchanged ADM. you are confusing two completely different mechanics that influence damage.

>>527855756
>as i hold down the trigger
Yeah but that's the problem. What matters is the residual burn because uncanny strike exists. You're just wasting ammo by holding down the trigger, instead of swapping over to your melee and stacking up uncanny.
It's amazing against bosses because uncanny is useless against those, but that's it.

>>527855891
> Yeah but that's the problem.
no, the problem is that you said it does not work, which ive already proved it does
which blessings you choose to use and what interactions you take advantage of are irrelevant, if you say something that works isnt working, im going to call you out on it

>>527856101
UH OH

>>527825751
>>was the first guy to beat H40 with only 4 Ogryns using melee
Mr E doesn't play ogryn a lot, he got carried in that mission by better, morr experienced players.

>>527856578
im still waiting for them to link the mr e melee only ogryn run, im almost convinced it doesnt exist because i cant find it anywhere
like i mentioned before, searching it up only pulls the one from reginald and co. from way before the ogryn rework just after the release of havoc

>>527856101
Yeah that's fair. It's just a shame that there's no practical reason to keep holding down the trigger like a tard when it's more effective to stack up uncanny.

>>527832425
can anyone prove this, because at we have hit the point that ai can fake anything
but i can definitely see this being a influence from sm2, because the plasma there doesnt pierce but it does splash damage, which i think is honestly the better interpretation because youre shooting a super heated fluid, not a solid projectile, so it doesnt make any sense for it to pierce

>>527856725
Unc doesn't know how to use the internet

>>527856943
they're just making it so the uncharged shot doesn't pierce, because that's all anyone used and they got fantastic value out of it
this will force vetchuds to charge their shots, which slots you down and chokes your output considerably

don't worry about the bulwarks, though, the three arbiters on your team will have them stunlocked 24/7 with dogs

>>527832425
>plasma is dead
Good.
Learn to play the game without your super soaker.

>>527856795
not everyone uses duelling sword or knife or whatever else people cling to with uncanny so its not always applicable (im also of the opinion it shouldnt be a global debuff or higher than how much rending the game can even fuckin use but w/e, fs balancing bs)

>>527857216
Right you are. Please accept my concession.

>>527856943
You don't even need AI to fake that, just a simple inspect element. But even if it's fake I believe that level of autism should be rewarded by pretending it's real.

>>527838560
Learn to use the charge shot dumbass.

>>527856943
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1361210?l=schinese
just use your browser to translate it, its an old version of the patch notes that slipped through before they put the nerfs on hold, but its still legible through translation

>they release the patch notes early just to make sure there will be no outrage
>there will be outraged
>they will backpedal
I will genuinely stop reviving veterans in my lobby if this happens

>>527857527
vets deserve nothing

>>527855231
>in what fucking world do you have a poorly translated fatshark blog early though
It's from steam patch notes.
I guess they posted the chinese ones early, people noticed and then translated them.

Press S to spit on vets
*HAWK TUAH*
Rest in piss

>>527857527
I mean...
EVERYONE KNEW that the dueling sword was getting nerfed

>>527857947
fatshark executives are just scared pissing their pants that another review bomb might be inbound from shitters when they even slightly nerf their beloved shitstick

>>527857947
>>527858138
They need to time it together with the arbeetus release to keep duelling sissies occupied

>>527858402
>527858402
thats what i was saying
quickpaw already said arbites doesnt get duelling sword so its literally the perfect time to drop these nerfs, alongside those other buffs, with minimized backlash, we already know the changes are already done based on the old chinese version of the notes
but no, we gotta wait even fucking longer cuz theyre too scared

>>527858529
>quickpaw already said arbites doesnt get duelling sword
noooo I wanted to use the new parry mechanics and the new class :(

>>527858529
>quickpaw already said arbites doesnt get duelling sword
They don't?
That's surprising since they get bolters and lasguns.

>auric damnation
>shitter somehow constantly a mile in the back fighting for his dear life
>we regroup, put down a med kit for him
>he runs away from it to retreat even further
>moves away from the team
>dies
>gets rescued
>walks into a daemonhost we walked past literally minutes ago
>fully aggroes it, dies in a picosecond
>gets rescued
>goes down not even 5 seconds later
I mean the game was easy otherwise because everyone else played well, but why do I get these retards?

>>527858707
the patch doesnt include the ds and plasma nerfs, those are withheld for the future like the english one said, which is the up to date patch notes

Combat axe chads keep winning

>>527859325
At that point I have a feeling that he was an intentional dickhead.

>>527859472
No he was legit constantly just running after enemies as if it were some kind of elimination objective where you have to kill every last poxwalker, while also being overwhelmed when there were more than 2 enemies near him. He picked up and held on to a medkit that he never used. He never used a single stimm. Only used vet shout on himself.
It was a straight up tunnel vision retard that played his own little single player game in his own little bubble.

>>527859360
so fucking sad, why they have to foster such a spoiled community

If fatshark intends to push the dueling sword nerfs this year (lol), and really does follow through with halving uncanny strike, I wonder if it'll still be the best generic option on zealot in havoc 40. I run neither scourge nor duelist, so I imagine the nerfs will hurt, but half the reason I use the weapon is uncanny strike.
I don't imagine the knife is worth using for damage, without scourge + duelist?

>>527832425
0.5s swap time to 0.625s is nothing. If they want the draw time to be any actual consideration in combat then it has to be a second. Still no place for a plasma pistol at this speed.

why are they afraid to trully buff the hellbore dmg

>>527860984
Consoletards who can't aim will complain that PC players completely own them because they can actually click heads.

>starts spamming in cyrillic

>>527861045
consoletards lost their say when they received so much free aquilas

>>527860405
>but half the reason I use the weapon is uncanny strike
max stacks will still put the thrust adm up to and above 1, which is most of what youre gaining from it, everything past that is being hit with the 1:4 damage ratio so this in reality is only like a 15% damage nerf for uncanny on duelling sword

>I don't imagine the knife is worth using for damage, without scourge + duelist?
i mean it works well with other classes who dont have those, but why in the fuck would you ever run a crit focused weapon without 2 of the most buttfuck broken talents in the game for crit weapons, duellist is LITERALLY +100% finesse damage on headshot crit for playing the game, and scourge brings that crit rate up to 50% reliably for knife with its innate 20% crit chance (15% innate and 5% from the class)

I just realized that Hellchuds got customizable sights before the poor rejects, even though its way more important for the latter in these dark environments and no convenient 3rd person reticle. Grim.

I feel like I'm enabling shitters as a chorusbot, but I'm also very good at enabling shitters as one.
Kebab for this feel?

>>527861317
>max stacks will still put the thrust adm up to and above 1
I use the weapon for uncanny strike on my flamer, not so much for the weapon itself. It'll be less useful with halved values, which is why I'm considering the knife. I don't care all that much about needing an extra stab to take down a crusher, I'd be more worried about trading an actually useful special for some retarded parry mechanic that isn't properly implemented and just gets you stunned and subsequently killed when there's more than one crusher.
As long as I can still stab gunners dead reliably, I'll likely continue using the DS, even if I have to use slightly different perks, but that depends on how impactful the nerfs actually are.

>but why in the fuck would you ever run a crit focused weapon without 2 of the most buttfuck broken talents in the game for crit weapons
I already don't, with the DS, and it functions just fine. Most of it is uncanny strike stat stick, another portion is the special safely bailing me out of being raped by ragers. I don't really care about one-shotting crushers that much.
I don't, and will likely continue not to use, scourge or duelist because those would lock me out of purity aura with my current build, and delaying or outright preventing wounds from building up due to chip damage has prevented numerous deaths and likely won runs as a result. Plus, most of my damage is flamer + grenades anyway.

I guess I'll have to see how the changes play out and maybe consider changing my build. I do acknowledge that scourge + duelist are pretty broken together, even on non-crit weapons lol.

Fucking finally.
>496760/500000 kills for the skulls frame
Almost there.

>>527861590
sauce blanche

>>527861590
chicken, no onions, mixed sauce, fries on the side

Anyone else crashed around :00?

>>527863231
Yes I just crashed

>>527861339
You know what's funnier?
Fatshark promised there'd be weapon customization in Darktide before it released.

>>527863401
You know what's funnier?
Fatshark promised further classes would be free, which is why we had the oink shop since launch.

>>527863401
hahaha this is not call of duty goy

>>527844671
I love my Zealot, she's cute waving her big thammer around.

Atoma has fallen

>>527863718
She needs bigger tits.

>>527863718
>trannyhammer
figures

>>527861045
i don’t think that’s the reason at all

>>527863591
They did? Is there a source for that?

>>527859325
try working retail for 6 months, and you'll realize how stupid the average person is

So wait, is plasma gun getting gutted or not? I was just starting to get good with it…

>>527864974
I'm really glad I've never had to work in retail, and will always treat retail workers with the utmost respect. The level of utter retardation they have to deal with on a daily basis is staggering, even if they themselves aren't always the smartest of the bunch.

>>527864881
They did not.
>https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/3562935517304116453
>We haven’t fully decided if we will charge for new and upcoming classes

if you need anything more than a trusty shovel youre a faggot

>>527865018
it's not gonna be touched this patch but you should kill yourself to even needing to get good with easiest weapon in the game

>>527853575
Same. But I'm more bothered by the entry drop into Hab Dreyko. It's so easy to cross that open area and run into safety. But almost always there's a retard who just HAS to hang around on the ledge, or spend several minutes running in circles out in the open.

if you need anything more than a trusty faggot youre a shovel

>>527865018
it will be re-balanced probably later this year.
I hope they make the fast shot weaker, and the charged shot much stronger.

>>527865224
Strange. Why would that guy lie about that?

>>527865576
calm down rakesh no one mentioned the dueling sword

>>527832425
>no one used the hellbore cause of the long swap
>we're increasing the swap time of the plasma gun

>>527865768
because hating feels good

>>527844174
looks like my grandma

>>527852230
retard

>>527864881
They did

>>527865876
From 0.5 to 0.625 is nothing.
Hellbore deserved its seemingly 50% reduction, though.

I agree that the plasma should be changed, but the way they went about it is really weird.

>we want the weapon to feel like a plasma gun instead of a glowy revolver

Sure, but I don't know what kind of difficulty do you play on that 1. facilitates standing around like a cuck and charging the weapon 2. allows you to waste 9 fucking ammo on a shot that might not even kill the target without a crit

oh, and thanks for the 400 dmg reduction, it's not like I wanted to use the fucking thing anyways

>that last Arbeetus gameplay showcase

Prepare to get your game balanced around that level of "riveting" gameplay

>>527866161
Learn to use other weapons instead crutching on the toothpick and super soaker.

>>527866161
you'll be fine

>>527866668
nigger shut your worthless mouth,
>>527866690
you too

I don't play exclusively plasma, matter of fact I rarely do because it's boring af

don't mean I want to see it become fucking useless on higher difficulties you subhumans

>>527866161
>>527866751
>reddit spacing

>rebbit spepsin :DDDDD
retard nigger fuck stfu

>>527866751
yeah well lets not start complaining before we've actually tried it

>>527867172
>lets not start complaining before we've actually tried it

>>527866751
>reddit spacing
>mad that a crutch weapon he totally doesn't use often got nerfed
It's okay, Ivan.

rat news' ??

>>527867127
pää kii homo

>Illuminate MO
I shant be playing

>>527867581
There isn’t any. Back in your hole, cuck

>>527782494
nobody fucking plays anything below heresy
some retards do penants in sedition but that's it
did you even try finding malice lobbies?
for fucks sake, which ass do you always pull this take from?

>>527868135
>which ass do you always pull this take from?
yours

>>527868268
fair enough

>>527868135
>nobody fucking plays anything below heresy
Nobody you know.
The devs clearly do, and the arbites gameplay reveal is proof that they think it's important enough to cater to. It was low intensity heresy at best, but more likely malice with customized spawns to force enemy density near the stairs. The trailer got loads of views even in the first couple days, and has a lot of likes on youtube. Most of the comments seem hyped, only very few called out the evidently hilariously low difficulty, or the fact that the PoV never sprinted, only used their ability once, never activated the special on either weapon, etc. which is clearly malicelet behavior. Not calling it out is clear proof that most people don't even know how to play the game correctly.
Then I would invite you to take a look at the fatshark forums. MOST of those retards make ogryn look intelligent by comparison.
>but anon, I want numbers, not anecdotes
Sure: https://steamcommunity.com/stats/1361210/achievements
>4.3%: complete 10 missions in a row without going down on malice or higher
>18.2%: one of each mission on heresy or higher
>47.2%: one of each mission on uprising or higher
>8.5%: 4 different classes at rank 30
I concede that these statistics don't mean nearly as much as one might interpret, because these don't necessarily apply to dedicated players, and a lot of it is skewed by new-ish players that play maybe a couple dozen hours, if that, and then abandon the game.
However, I would counter that it's easy to verify yourself just how many retards are stuck in the havoc 20 range, despite trying their absolute best. A player that can't beat havoc 20 with a coordinated team is either completely retarded and doesn't know how to formulate a good team, and/or suffers from enormous skill issues. Either way, such players can't not struggle in damnation, definitely don't belong higher than heresy, and are probably only comfortable in malice.

>TL;DR: Auric and havoc players are a minority.

>>527869547
>8.5%: 4 different classes at rank 30
im not playing the fucking freak, and lot of people hold that sentiment

>>527800140
tungsten penetrators as well as flechettes exist but they're very impractical relative to just using a rifle.

>>527869778
You're right, fuck psykers.

>>527869916
Based.

>>527867581
you just got another map

>>527870698
That's already olds. What about the news?

>>527871084
Olds is the only news you get.

>>527871084
Vermintide 3 reveal soon. Darktide ran it's course already, VT2 needs a sequel and devs clearly prefer working on it.

>>527867581
Scientists are hard at work developing a pet friendly race of rats that doesn't constantly leak shit piss and cum unto their owner

>>527871310
Darktide getting the short end of the stick just fucking sucks.

>>527871464
Darktide is already a better game than vermintide by far

>>527871310
I never got into vermintide because it's jank in a bad way, kind of ugly (especially the animations), and requires that you gamble to make any tangible character progress. I thoroughly welcome a potential VT3 if fatshark puts what they learned in darktide to good use.
Unfortunately,
>fatshark learning
hahahHAAHAHahaha

>>527871310
Age of Smegmar edition in Unoptimized Engine 5?

>>527871651
If fatshark really was capable of learning, then they would abandon vermintide in favor of darktide

>>527871651
they did, thats why darktide was much more stable than vt2 was/is

>>527867581
This rat asked for news.

>>527871940
Totally, that's why Fatshark keeps doing all of the same mistakes in Darktide that they did in VT1 and 2?
Even though they had solutions to said problems.

5 more sleeps

>>527872724
i said the game was functional

>>527869547
why would I care about achievements of 10 million people who own the game when only like 20k actively play it?
these 10 million owners are neither relevant nor does it mean they play malice if they don't play heresy and above

>>527872727
One more sleeps until NDA ends
Trust the plan

>>527869547
>Either way, such players can't not struggle in damnation, definitely don't belong higher than heresy
havoc 20 is harder than auric damnation what the fuck are you talking about

>>527872932
Gee I can't wait for CumandcookiesTW to make a FULL GAMEPLAY REVEAL of the arbites in a malice game, with him saying a gay sexual innuendo every 2 minutes and then gift us the msot retarded build ever made (he only went donw twice!)

Tried out firebreak and just about the 2 hour mark. Can anyone who's spent more time on the game tell me if the game significantly changes on higher difficulties or not? I've done the full clearance on 4 of the missions on normal and i'm a little baffled at how short they are, and also the fact that clearance 1 and 2 for those missions are just the full mission cut short twice at different points.
Is there anything new or fresh or is it literally just the same 5 fucking maps?

>>527873343
Nope, same shit, wish I could refund they promised two big content updates soon

>>527873158
Milkandcummies plays a bunch of games and all of those game communities considers him a bad player. I'd watch his gameplay out of interest for the arbeetus class, but i'd never take his advice

>>527873158
>>527873437
plz someone post the milkandcookies TW meme

>>527783815
>mfw Helbore buffs
Swap speed was the only thing stopping me from messing around with the Helbores more, charge shot mechanics are fun but taking forever to swap every single time was maddening. This is the best change by far.

>>527873415
Thanks anon I sent the refund request in now.
I did mostly enjoy the game despite zero voice comms or text chat so I do hope they turn it around.

>>527874016
can't believe they had the gall to nerf the bayonet stabs when the weapon was so fucking bad

>>527873020
>havoc 20 is harder than auric damnation
Aurics are harder because you get complete random shitters that will do their own thing while simultaneously ignoring the objective. I've seen plenty of players marked with havoc 30 struggle to even survive, let alone do anything useful, in aurics. Havocs are implicitly easier because everyone is hopefully guaranteed to stick together, AND you're effectively a premade able to discuss builds beforehand, AND get to pick a team composition in the first place. You can't tell me that the ability to dictate that you have 1-2 piss toughness users and 1-2 cuck bubbles is in any way more difficult than having to wrangle anywhere between 1-3 literal dead weights in aurics.

>>527872868
>why would I care about achievements of 10 million people who own the game when only like 20k actively play it?
Because they still represent a large portion of all of the matches that were ever played. Don't forget that you're ALREADY a minority for participating in community discourse. Most players essentially live in an information vacuum, and the few that do go out there and bother to inform themselves fall into the trap of listening to idiot jewtubers. Seriously, so many players are just never going to make it. This applies to every game ever.

I obviously don't have concrete numbers, and I actually agree with the implication that the few people who still play the game, mostly play heresy and above. This is also a bad thing. Of course only a (relatively) hardcore audience remains when the game is fucking dead otherwise.

>>527874023
>add a final scoreboard
>remove text and voice chat to avoid toxicity

retards

>>527874194
A scoreboard never called anyone a nigger

>>527874550

>>527874835
Lol

>same missions all week

>>527838034
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/109013/62
Basically confirmed to be real, and also confirmed not to be final

>>527877860
>inb4 fatshark only changes the US blessing to be like 14% at tier 4

>>527878426
Should be 10%. Total untranny death.

>eviscerator buffs coming because relic blades supplanted them
>it now does more damage than thunder hammer to monsters
>one year later the buff patch for the thunder hammer because eviscerator supplanted it comes through
truly, the darktide patching cycle is majestic

>>527877860
>devs are at an impasse with balancing these 2
>they know any nerfs will be met with pants shitting review bombing, especially to the dueling sword
>draft up a legit nerf for the dueling sword and a fake excessive nerf for the plasma gun
>hand it over to the chinese localizers
>pretend like the chinese acted out of line and have them retract it after posting
>get to gauge community reaction, let everyone come to terms with the DS nerf while they focus on the PG, and blame it all on the chinese
Another masterful gambit by Fatshark.

>>527879090
I had the same thought for all of two minutes, then realized I was retarded for thinking that, because doing something like that would be kinda smart, and fatshark are anything but.

>>527874835
isn't Dot a cunt

>>527880180
Yes. From what I've heard he likes to intentionally trigger daemonhosts and then disconnects so it goes after another player.
Basic griefing.

>>527880292
too much or not enough fatherly beating

>>527879090
that's a lot of cope
>fake excessive nerf
can you name another gun in darktide that will still be able to do the shit plasma does even after its nerf?

>devs only now nerfing ds and plasma
So how long do we need to wait for them to nerf ogryn, club, and rumbler? Because that shit is even more obscene

>>527880180
dude will spent the whole game sitting next to a spawn door killing shits to boost his scoreboard, and will not move to the elevator/valkyrie until the rest of the team leaves or votekick him. He's also a close friend of Tranner.

>>527881004
what a surprising surprise

>>527880740
Ogryn himself doesn't need much nerfing. People forget but here most people very much above average in skill, but more importantly, people are über autistic tide players who minmax everything and on average probably have like 1000+ hours in the game.
Ogryn currently is as busted as zealot, psyker and veteran are, and who have been more OP than ogryn for longer and unchanged.

The normies still die with ogryn because they are bad at the game.

>>527881282
>Ogryn currently is as busted as zealot, psyker and veteran are,
I don't understand why all the ogryn copers keep saying this like it's a good thing.
Yes, zealot, psyker and veteran can theoretically outperform an ogryn, but you also need to snort 3 lines of coke and operate at a zillion actions per minute to get anywhere close to ogryn's performance, while the big retard just turns on an auto clicker, dodges the occasional disabler, and presses F sometimes.
The skill floor for performing at an overpowered level is so low for ogryn, that all you need is a good build, not much actual skill playing the game. I play ogryn if I want brain off easy mode.

It's not okay to be overpowered as FUCK without any effort. That is the real problem.

Hello citizen of Atoma, ignore the nurgle growths near your water supply. It is totally nothing to worry about. How do people get rid of all the green goop and growths left behind by Nurgle worshippers?

>>527882625
>but you also need to snort 3 lines of coke and operate at a zillion actions per minute
You do not.
This is nothing but actual cope for retards who can't play.
You don't need to zillion actions per minute to press m1 with the dueling sword, plasmagun or the flame staff.

how many sleeps?

>>527883693
>You don't need to zillion actions per minute to press m1 with the dueling sword, plasmagun or the flame staff.
You disingenuous, sub-human, mentally disabled fucking NIGGER, none of those even remotely compare to how braindead easy it is for ogryn to just turn on an autoclicker and beat literally everything except trappers and hounds for free, without requiring any thought. You can fucking DAMAGE TRADE against crushers and be fine. Play the fucking class before you open your cum-stained mouth you worthless faggot.

>>527882625
You know all of this also applies to any barely sentient VoC weapons specialist vet? You just sometimes have to switch your weapons, truly a world of difference. Purge staff Psyker also is braindead as fuck.

>>527883491
burn it, with consecrated fire from annointed promethium

>>527883893
>pop gold piss ability
>suddenly you also can tank crusher overheads like Ogryn
Hmm....

>low intense hunting ground heresy for quick no death
>not low intense at all, gorillion elites
>every other guy dies except me but finish it

why does this happen sometimes

>>527884102
>>every other guy dies except me
>why does this happen sometimes
tourists

>>527883875
five

>>527884063
Let’s see and example? Piss toughness will let you survive one overhead, but as soon as vet is below 75% toughness and voc is on cooldown they die on the spot.

>>527884583
>let's see and example
Oh hello there Ivan.

I still don't have the stun grenade penance because why would I use a stun grenade against a sniper

>>527884827
>why would I use a stun grenade against a sniper
to get the penance, of course

>>527883893
>>527882625
mind your blood pressure there fella

>>527881282
Nah vet and psyker are a fair bit weaker than zealot and ogryn, but they have support skills to back the team up. Bit ogryn is easy as fuck to play, brain dead easy i’d say compared to zealot. They both have a similar potential but ogryn reaches it by pressing taunt and wildly swinging their club, zealot needs to be played pretty damn well to reach max potential, or used to be because ogryn does things so well that you’re better off playing support zealot to enable the ogryn even more. Two book zealots, a bubble slave or ammo regen shout slave, all playing second fiddle to a retard mode club melee build are the easiest havok clears you’ll ever see. The ogryn will roll everything and you can put a regular damnation shitter on the build and they’ll do well as long as they stick with the team.

>>527884714
I’m no slav. Now let’s see a vet face tanking compared to an ogryn face tanking.

zealot sissies we are being absolutely replaced by judge chauvin and georgius droydius

Bolter vet is far cooler than plasma vet, plasma is boring as fuck and needs a rework. It’s charged shots should be an explosion of instant death for any elites in the aoe

I don't feel comfortable here with all these racist remarks. What a terrible and hateful place this has become. *sigh*

>>527885295
OK, small ogryn

>>527885287
>n-no I'm not a f-filthy slavoid!!!
KEK
Nice try Ivan. Go back to crying about Arbites being too expensive.

>>527883893
>brooo, it's sooo haaaard to press m1 on a plasmagun and occasionally F for voc
>ogryn is soooo braindead in comparison, you just press m1 on club and occasionally F for Taunt
I can tell you're a shitter and bad at the game.
Your emotional outburst supports this.

>>527885481
This is why only the English should be involved with warhammer talk, and not you lessers.

How do I make sure no blacks join my aurics?

>>527885591
By playing any Warhammer game

>>527885591
Don't play on north american servers
EU server is full of slavoids

>>527885495
Let's see your vet walk up to a daemonhost, facetank and solo kill it with 0 health damage taken without dodging or blocking.
The same for every monstrosity except burgle.
Let's see your vet beat a pack of 6 crushers with 1 button input.
Let's see your vet face tank a sniper and regain all toughness by just whacking a motherfucker.

Come on, anon. Let's see it.
This isn't some kind of retarded ogryn supremacy btw. Ogryn is problematic and needs to be nerfed somehow, the class is only actually balanced in havoc. If you want to claim otherwise, you either don't know how to correctly build ogryn, or literally don't play the class.

>>527885149
>zealot needs to be played pretty damn well to reach max potential
I run fucking martyrdom with crusher and boltgun on zealot.
It's fucking braindead honestly, only times I die is because someone explodes a barrel next to me.

All classes in this game are braindead to play. Ogryn is no different from the rest.

>>527885431
I think they're heading in the right direction, according to the totally real leak.

Darksissies having a melty again?

>>527885680
I'll take slavs over blacks any day because I am one.

>>527885879
We can't handle the wait. Please forgive us.

>>527885751
>b-but le daemon host
No one gives a shit, Ivan.

>>527885568
Then why the fuck are you there, you fucking mongrel?

>>527885998
I accept your concession, Ranjeet.

>>527886067
>m-muh jeets!!!
KEK. Classic Ivan move.

I thought russians and indians were allies? someone redpill me I want to understand why these third worlders are shitting on eachothers in MY thread.

There is only one solution. The Slav and The Indian must fight to the death. Last man standing wins the argument.

>>527886023
German perhaps? No much more insecure, more to the East I think.

>>527886428
They are like the chaos worshippers, their natural state is to fight each other and promote their own god, but they can be unified under a larger cause (Chaos undivided). They have no larger cause so they are fighting each other, as their instincts tell them to.

>>527886927
i think we can all agree eastern europe vs india is just khorne vs nurgle

>>527886927
>nurgle
jeets
>Khorne
slavs
>slanesh
europeans
>tzeentch
chineses

>>527886476
I suggest somewhere in the Ukrainian no man's land where the drone operators have a good view

>>527887057
Nurgle is apt but Khorne? Would he be impressed with a bunch of skinny drug addicts being blown up by toy robots in a trench in between bouts of raping each other?

>>527887069
>Malal
kikes

Pretty much every sub human slav I see is playing ogryn

>y-you're brown!
>yeah? well you're not white!
Pathetic.

>>527887568
On the one hand, Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, but on the other hand, sacrificing thousands in the name of their god emperor and employing human wave tactics sounds very imperium of man.
Alternatively, we have the orks.

>>527887069
>>527887682
And the australians?

>>527889161
nobody cares about them

>>527889161
That's Chinese these days.

>>527889161
Kroot

>>527887849
They generally have huge insecurities about their masculinity and need to play the biggest ugliest meathead, and hopefully bald too. Or their friends rape them for being gay.
This isn't a dig, it's a fact. They still produce indie games with bald ugly motherfuckers too, that are like "this is Stalkerfallout 37". And there's some cringe sounding cursing every time. You have to appear manly, not be manly.
It would be soulful if it wasn't so played out and fucking GAY every single time.

>>527888770
>sacrificing thousands in the name of their god emperor and employing human wave tactics sounds very imperium of man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KOCkjEjFhw

>>527889649
>he doesn't know about the underworld of slavic femboy crossdresssers

Alright gentlemen, we’ll probably be getting the weapon blog any hour now place your bets on how shit the shotgun is going to be.

why /coopg/ turned so anti-slavs these lately?

>>527889951
Overtuned for the difficulties devs play and undertuned for anything harder

>>527889951
My bet is on the special being completely worthless dogshit, designed to synergize with a bunch of gimmicky arbeetus passives that are also worthless in anything higher than malice, except for like 1-2 of them that are only good with melee.

>>527890029
I'm just tired of lobbies with cyrillic text.
Same as playing an MMO with frenchies. They at least teamplay, or think they do, even if they're ten times worse.

>>527889951
It's going to be good
And the class will have several talents that synergize with the shocked status, which makes even the special attack worthwhile.

>>527890029
Any multiplayer game with a yuropoor server hates slavoids, it's hardly a new phenomenon.

>>527890335
You think so? After the shotgun buffs just being a 20% damage buff i’ve got my doubts

>>527890628
>the shotgun buffs just being a 20% damage buff
read again. There's also cleave, reload speed, and ammo buffs.

>>527889161
Your looking at them asshole

>>527890852
>Australians are the rejects
How fucking blind I've been...

FULL REVEAL IN 26 hours

>>527890789
Those are nice soft buffs you give to a weapon that’s nearly great, like the buffs recon las guns got. Shotguns are dog shit, comfort buffs and upping their cleave from nothing to a bit isn’t going to help when you need three shots to kill a trapper if you don’t hit the head. And if i’m going for head shots why am I going to pick the shotgun when a revolver/bolt pistol, las pistol/bolter are far better.

>>527889951
What purpose does a horde-clear gun serve in the -60% ammo gamemode? None.
I can see the shield pistol fill the gunner removal niche though.

His brain cannot function outside of his havoc-baby-containment mode

>>527890029
Racist spergout from a handful of chuds. It's like thunderstorms in the summer, it just happens sometimes.

>>527891523
yous should try it before getting disappointed. 20% base damage increase means all subsequent % increases from perks, talents, and blessings will scale even more. Time will tell.

>>527890789
People dont understand the changes so they just whitenoise all that shit and look for the base damage number changes

>>527892091
It's fine if you prefer the easy mode, anon. I'm just disappointed the brand new toy with a great sound design won't be very useful to me.

>>527891910
Arbites use their shotguns along side bolters (in fact the exact mark of shotgun we have in game) so it better be on par with it power wise. If it nukes elites at close to mid range but doesn’t do as well against bosses, but in exchange is great at mixed elite waves i’ll be happy

>>527892091
genuinely sad how havoc ruins balance discussions
imagine if people in vt2 insisted to spread dogshit opinions like "slayer is useless in high weaves so stop picking it on cata"

>>527891523
At least the double barrel buffs are nice. Weapons specialist vet with it will be even better, especially if they really are going to gut plasma.

>>527892568
Anon, havoc IS the easy mode. Please stay in your psyker bubble, the veteran and zealot will shower you in piss toughness.

>>527892568
>Trying to be smug about playing the mode that wont even let you have fun with new and changed weapons
why do you think you're the winner here exactly? Get off your high horse, metaslave

>>527892494
You’re right, the 20% buff will let the slug body shot all specials and elite gunners (minus muties and dogs) so that’s something, still just a slow revolver mode but I can make it work in auric memestorms as is. Still doubt it’ll be enough to push it to high havok viability, but maybe arbites shotgun tree takes them into the stratosphere. Hard to say when the talent tree tease only showed us some niche skills, fatsharks arbite teases have been nothing but negative hype and they need to fire the retard behind the marketing.

>>527892784
>especially if they really are going to gut plasma
*uncharged plasma shots

>>527892784
I always felt like the uncharged plasma meta as gay and stupid. Charging it up for a mega shot is what I want, but I feel like a retard doing it now since primary fire is objectively superior in 99% of cases.

>>527893446
same

>>527874192
>Havocs are implicitly easier because headcanon
havocs throw more elites at you (on average, to be fair auric can roll shit modifiers that can be worse than average havoc 20), they have more hp and hit harder
all your points are bs, nothing stops you from coming to aurics with a premade

>tfw friends are too bad for havoks
>none of them like ogryn so I can’t even get them on the crutch build

>>527894280
>friends are too bad for havoks
my friends are too bad for heresy
we are not the same

KEELL THE INTRUDAHS!!!

>>527894421
Damn that’s rough. I’m getting them into aurics with some success though so hopefully they start to get the hang of working as a team, one even managed to get ASS (I was playing taunt ogryn for their last two games, I know).

>noooo dueling sword is ruined
They gave it parry and riposte, though? It now has infinite cleave and will destroy havoc hordes.

>>527894703
I don’t get why it’s getting a full rework, a simple damage nerf would have been fine

>>527894280
your friends are right to hate this mod

>My discord friends play maplestory 90% of the time
>occasionally playing other coop games like bloons
>mutual friend in our discord introduces darktide december last year
>I get really into it, and managed to get to havoc 40 assignment rank
>Only other guy tried havoc and immediately dropped it because their FoTF zealot instantly died to gunners
>Friend group already dropped darktide entirely by last month and switched to valorant
tfw

>>527895008
It's getting a nerf and a buff and people still screech and are currently reviewbombing darktide. They couldnt have done just a nerf.
As it stands this change is turning it into a better catachan

>>527895257
which serv

>>527895319
>are currently reviewbombing darktide.

>check steam reviews
>only 4 in my language
>strange
>uncheck that bit
>it's a bunch of Tzeetch worshipers
>translate
>they're screeching about the dueling sword and plasma gun nerfs that aren't even being implemented yet
kek

>>527895319
Just seems like a waste of dev time, the weapon is too strong but the move sets good. Just nerf it’s carapace and unyielding damage and it’ll be fine

Combat axe and revolver GODS
Power sword and bolter KINGS
Lightning staff PRINCESSES
No one's touching us ever

I don't understand this weapon
I feel substantially useless using it

>>527798296
Rising storm 2 had the most lethal shotguns of any FPS I’ve played. Insane one tap ranges with buckshot

>>527897890
just play maelstrom with extra monstrosicheese and you'll feel like a hero

>>527897890
You slap hordes until a monstrosity shows up and then you hope your team doesn't leave you swarmed by poxwalkers so you can actually deal damage to the boss.

>>527897890
It doesn't pull its weight until you're in missions that consistently spawns monstrosities and captains like certain auric modifiers and high havoc

>>527898043
>>527898151
>>527898210
Why is it so situational

>>527898381
Join this. You'll be the main character of the mission.

>someone tags plasteel and walks past it
Richy Rich over here. You dont need it, sure. I bet its probably easier to just hit E and pick it up than bother tagging it though you fucking rube.

>>527895257
Based zealotchad realizing that havoc is boring gay retard shit for autists

>>527899002
>pick it up wagie

>>527899092
t. hardstuck in 20

>>527899002
>not just doing your weekly havocs for infinite mats

>>527899218
no lol ive beat 40 it's just gay and lame and the change in playstyle required to beat havoc is boring

>>527899406
>it's just gay and lame and the change in playstyle required to beat havoc is boring
Okay yeah, true.

I wish they’d add a difficulty above damnation that’s more like auric, and then make the auric and maelstrom missions even spicier. I love the huge elite waves and non stop action of havoks but no match making and needed to plan around certain modifiers make it not so great to just jump into. Match made difficulties are too easy most of the time and high havoks are too hard to be match made. Need something in the middle

I'm not playing Havoc because it sounds so fucking stupid

>>527900940
Sour grapes

>>527898381
It fills a niche nicely. It's ok at things other than bosskilling, but if you got a stack of ragers or some other elite It's not as quick or safe as some other weapons.

>>527900654
Turn auric maelstrom into havoc 30 without the havoc modifiers.

>>527900940
it's alright, since the update it's not fun to pub it anymore tho. One retard can grief your entire mission and I got tired of it, and my friends stopped playing it so I did too. If I really wanted to play it I'd go on some discord and organize with them but eh, pubbing is just more fun

>>527901939
>Turn auric maelstrom into an uncarriable shitshow with a sub 10% success rate until all the tourists stop attempting the mode
I love the idea in theory, but you just know it's going to be populated with deadweight retards with 2-3 deaths on the first horde.

>>527901939
Without back to back captains and karnack twins as well, that would be awful to deal with, with your typical randoms

>>527871084
See >>527867993
>>527871310
Maybe that used to be true once upon a time. Anymore.
>>527871582
>>527871805
>>527871940
Trvth

There’s no fucking way, they’re going to save the weapon blog for the day the nda is up? lmao

>>527874835
Based
>>527883491
The same way we do pretty much

>>527886428
you should know (you’re one of them)
>>527887069
>slanesh
europeans
i’d be more inclined to say americans

>>527906562
>americans
Not chaotic. We're the good guys.

>>527890029
This is the natural state of /coopg/. Although we used to be more focused on jeets, not sure what happened to make the switch.

>>527906319
Bleach and other chemicals?

>>527906928
Cyrillic posters and underskin, mostly.

>>527892091
>>527892668
>>527892803
>>527892804
>>527899092
Good posts.

>>527873158
WRONG!

tomorrow it's /ourguy/ !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTbclbxfvLY

>>527908037
He not only can show us every single detail about Arbites but he can fucking PLAY it still? I'd thought they'd revoked that shit from playtesters already.

So are killing floor refugees welcome in this general?
what do you think is going to happen with killing floor 3?

>>527908501
Only playtester who got in trouble was Telopots because he couldn't refrain from yelling racial slurs at the devs (for real) and send his community (serbs and slavs) to harass them on live.

>>527908737
Wait for the re-realease next month, place will be a shitshow

>>527908737
Depends on what the changes look like

>>527908770
>he couldn't refrain from yelling racial slurs at the devs (for real)
That sounds incredibly based, do you have any proof? Not questioning it, just want to laugh.

>>527909965
He admitted on stream he called one of the dev a fucking retarded arrogant swede

>>527908770
>>527909965
It's not what he did. He organized a raid on the devs twitch channel asking for pickable missions.
I appreciate the thought but it's probably the lamest, most pointless shit you could be banned from playtesting for. He would've had way more impact if that chimpout didn't happen and he just kept giving feedback from within

>>527908037

>>527908037
>space before exclamation point
>it's the french faggot who has been shilling tranner and is now shilling mr gay
french people are truly a blight upon online communities

lol

Chaospill me on taxes

>>527910496
Wrong ! I ' m polish

>>527910496
that's a lot of assumptions

>>527910646
>>527910748
no assumption no. Literally only french people put spaces before an exclamation point, it's unique to french grammar
exact same posting style as the guy who kept shilling tranners new videos

>>527910896
probably to trigger you

>>527910607
aaaaand he's chinese

>>527910607
No veteran has ever done a havoc 40 without a toothpick and plasma.

Oh boy I can't wait for the arbites !

>>527910962
Ah yea I'm sure the guy who has been shilling youtubers here for ages just does it to be an epic troll, it's not a mentally ill retard or anything

>>527911616
I actually think you're the one with a mental health problem kek

>thought to myself I'd buy firebreak tomorrow if things were looking better
>half the player count already
>across 4 difficulties, 3 complexity levels, and turning altered items from off to on, you likely won't be able to matchmake in the near future
y i k e s

>>527911302
How do you say "lex mate" in French?

>>527911753
I'm sure, now go hurry back and watch his latest video so you can "ironically" talk about it here

>>527911886
Lex Copain

>>527912000
>lex coper
kek
also checked

>>527911886
I'd tell you but It's hard to pronounce without algerian cock in your mouth unfortunately

Attention les gars, il parait que des français se cachent dans ce fil...

>>527910646
Did you know when I visited Poland it was amazing, the girls were all dressed as emos, or in those cool wide bottomed jeans. And then I passed by the U.S. embassy and saw not an American flag, but the fag flag sticking out like a std ridden thumb. Anyway, point I'm trying to make is that you're a fag. Stop shilling other fags.

>>527912251
Il pourrait être n'importe qui d'entre nous

REND. CRUSH. TEAR!

>>527912251
>>527912519
Bijour, Monsieur Vincent....

I think there's a spy among us

aww the schizo called the jannies

Hold your ground, I'll flush 'em out.

ASS RAT!

Hellshitters have done irreparable damage to the coop genre, every dev is now scared for their lives about nerfing broken weapons and they have to make pussy ass preview of nerfs to see how the community reacts

>>527914043
What the fuck happened to the practice of releasing small balance patches every 2 weeks, tweaking values little by little until shit is dialed in? I get that tards are gonna tard, but if you immediately start setting expectations of small balance patches, I doubt such phenomena are likely to happen when the meta weapon receives a 5% damage nerf.

WANT 'EM CRISPY?!

It's too hot I'm forced to play naked.... UwU

>>527914271
good point actually, devs have made it a habit to turn balance patches into equivalents of big content updates, so now it's biting them in the ass because people expect a cool big new update that makes them wanna play again (their advertising made it so) and they open the patchnotes and see a nerf, of course they're gonna be disappointed

>femboy obsessed troon is a p*lack
memes write themselves

NO MORE LIES ONLY DEATH!

TEMPERATURES ARE RISING!!

I like to roleplay as a jannie and take either crusher or pickaxe and just sweep everything up.

actual build of a lvl 1375 vet

>>527914043
And the community still reviewbombs anyway. Maybe Darkshitters don't suffer enough.

>>527914043
>finding a way to get mad about helldivers, somehow
lol
have you considered the fact that veterans have been having melties since the game launched, well before helldivers 2 even existed

>>527915298
What's the problem here? Yeah taking all those top nodes looks memey, but I assume he's just using a bolter. Bolter is good.

>>527914043
????? people bring up valid complaints that instead of wanton nerfs why not actually take a deep look at what makes it so good and why everything else is so not
remember when they were buffing the flamethrower every single patch because no one used it as it was bugged and joining a mission meant you did no AoE ground fire damage?

READYING OMICRON-MORTIS INTERCESSION!

>>527915327
who cares about steam reviews it's just mostly chinese brainlets crying because their toy got nerfed

>>527915685
>who cares about steam reviews
Fatshark.

>>527914043
the post that killed helltroons

>>527911805
>google this
>made by remedy
wew

BE REASONABLE

>>527908737
KF3 needs way more time in the oven. As in a full scrapping and starting over.

>>527915340
>>finding a way to get mad about helldivers, somehow
He is right however.
This issue about retards throwing a bitch fit whenever a nerf happens 100% started with Arrowhead being lazy and stupid with the most boneheaded view to nerfing shit. They admitted they fucking nerfed shit based on fucking spreadsheets. Like they nerfed weapons if they saw too many people using the same weapon.
The devs never thought about as to WHY people were using only that weapon, they only thought "well people use it a lot, that must mean it must be overpowered!"

>>527915987
Yes? And?

>>527914043
Did you like forget how long it took for Fatshark to remove temp HP gain from ranged weapons in VT2? They always were slow with their balancing.

>>527916386
One should expect a competent product from remedy at least but that game looks terrible.

>>527911805
What went wrong? I keep hearing that the game simply has no content and too few levels, others tell me that it simply locks 80% of the content behind some level barrier, and that it is too grindy so the average player will get bored before they see all the game has to offer. I wish it were good.

>>527919241
The only people presenting any sort of argument say shit like
>I could buy DRG instead for much cheaper
>I could be playing [other coop pve horde shooter live service game] instead
As if they were shitposting like 15 years back about MMOs and WoW killers. I genuinely don't get it. I think live service games have just absorbed the MMOtards and now they have these kind of "I need to dedicate my life to this one game" shit flinging contests now.
>others tell me that it simply locks 80% of the content behind some level barrier, and that it is too grindy so the average player will get bored before they see all the game has to offer
It's literally no different from Helldivers 2 at launch. Literally the exact same gearing structure. In fact the only difference is that the firebreak "premium" warbond has no gameplay affecting kit in it.

>>527920250
>like darktide
>like ratclick
>like payday
>like killing floor
>like crimeboss rockay city
bros... am I a bad person?

>>527920250
I want to get it but probably won't because my friends won't, as they say it looks like Concord, which is fair enough. It also doesn't really seem to be a horde shooter, I watched gameplay of it on the highest difficulties and there's a looot of downtime with zero enemies. Enemy variety also seems pathetically low.

>>527920928
>as they say it looks like Concord
This is just the zoomer equivalent of tortanic. History is cyclic. It looks fucking nothing like Concord. They're going to be sniffing out "concord-likes" for the next 20 years until they realize how stupid it is, and then the next generation will rediscover this phenomenon again.

>>527920790
>Crimeboss
Didn't they get reviewbombed recently for some weird reason?

>>527921671
>reviewbombed for some weird reason

>>527921671
They betrayed their top streamer because she was slighlty controversial

haven't played in a year, is voidstrike staff still good?

How do I Recon Lasgun on Vet? I'm sick of using ballistic weaponry as a Guardsman.

>play vt2 for the first time in 2 years
>wondering why it feels harder
>realize there is basically no hit registration, no audio queues for enemies behind
>muh dodge sliding
no wonder, darktide constantly yells this shit at you

someone post the arbites shop slop, plus the slop for the other 4 classes no one is going to be playing next week

>>527924157
>crits cost 0 ammo
thats really all you need imo, i usually go focus target as well

>>527923931
nah but it's fun

>>527924157
Crit build. Get the bottom right crit on dodge, the +5% crit operative node, a +5% crit on recon perks, you know the deal.

How do you guys have fun in Mortis Trials?

>>527923931
Voidstrike still does what it does, it's just very far removed from being meta. I personally always hated it, and now hate it even more after trying to use it after a long time.

>>527924157
Dump collateral, you need mobility so your moving hip fire isn't inaccurate as fuck. You're hardly suppressing anything with a lasgun anyway, most targets are dead to headshots before they duck.
Try VIc (the green one) with unyielding, infernus, dumdum. For the second perk I like maniacs because mutants are my least favorite enemy type.
+3 stamina curio, deadshot, precision strikes, shock trooper, then you build all the way down to the center capstone for target down (this is your stamina regen) and then also take redirect fire because it's a cheap damage buff for everyone. The rest is basically up to you.
I don't even run ammo aura on mine, and I have to make an active effort to run out of ammo despite spending most of my time shooting. Focus on tagging and killing any specials you can for that sweet, sweet stamina regen, but don't be afraid to hip fire sometimes to regen stamina naturally, the VIc has a very good hip fire.
The gun's main weakness is a lack of cleave.
>why not XII (blue)
Can't run it with deadshot, it's too fast. Not running it with deadshot means worse ammo efficiency. Not that it's a bad gun or anything, it has cleave now after all. If you prefer the XII, use it without deadshot, but the build ends up looking a little different.
>why not XIV (brown)
It consumes 2 ammo per shot so it's not quite as efficient, and it fires just slow enough for infernus to feel kind of bad. Cleaves well however. Try it, see if you like it.

Also ignore the inevitable retard about to screech about suggesting the VIc. The gun names were shuffled around and some oldfags that never actually play get confused and then upset. All of the marks are usable, take what I say with a grain of salt, experiment.

>>527925325
Play stupid shit you otherwise wouldn't, use it as an opportunity to do penances, do some melk assignments, try to lean into the mode's meme modifiers and make a build around it, etc.
Infinite bolter and grenade spam do lose their novelty at some point, but I've managed to make it to 50 games without getting overly bored. I will also continue to play snoretis to level my arbeetus, probably.

The enemies in darktide should have been a chaos undivided cult so that they could have add all sorts of different enemies

>>527925508
No onslaught? Also deadshot is working against you

>>527915685
Wait, what game? Helldivers? I am phone posting.

>>527926715
They should move forward with the whole Mobian-Admonition split and let the Mobians start worshipping another god like Khorne

>>527926849
>No onslaught?
You shouldn't be shooting a lasgun at the things that onslaught works well against. Just take out your can opener melee of choice, or use krak grenades if you desperately need something against armor.
>deadshot is working against you
Why would it be? It's an increase in crit rate that makes infernus and shock trooper better, and thus makes for a disgustingly ammo efficient gun with very solid damage. Requiring focus target and target down isn't much of a downside, the toughness regen from target down is substantial.
I run my recon las with stealth, which struggles with toughness replenishment. Target down handily solves that, as long as there's specials for me to dome.

>>527926994
That actually sounds kind of cool. Can't wait to throttle a Bloodthirster to death. We already have half of a Bloodthirster fight what with the Minotaur from V2.

What the hell was that?

>>527923347
What did she do?
>>527926715
What? There’s no difference in the units Chaos Cults field. They all typically make use of Ogryns, sorcerers, maybe Daemonhosts, etc.

>>527928794
Welcome to snipers hiding behind bulletproof fences. You hit one of the bars instead of the sniper. Get used to it.

darkshitebros...what's our response?!

>>527929728
(you)

>>527929728
you need a shower
*pees on you*

>>527929728
That's the shittiest and laziest falseflag attempt I've ever seen

>>527803037
kind of hard not to lose when the enemy is throwing every woman and man at you from half the eurasian continent and are also being supplied by a future superpower

>>527929728
>making lowtier bait
>in the mourningstar
Yikes

>all the negative reviews are from chinese people
>this is because the chinese patchnotes advertised nerfs
>western patchnotes did not advertise any nerfs, but anyone who cares enough to look into the games development to any capacity would know about the chinese patchnotes
>so despite that, there are barely any negative western reviews because the patchnotes didn't advertise it, even though passionate players know about it
My conclusion? It's people who don't even care a lot about Darktide who are mashing in bad reviews whenever a nerf happens.
The solution? Stop advertising balance patches. Just make small balance adjustments happen bit for bit. Do it like MHW or Elden Ring: Don't even put the notes on steam, make people seek them out if they care. Those games never have whining over nerfs as a result.

Thanks me later, Fatshark marketting management

Here's your average (chinese) havoc player, bro.

>>527931650
ah yes i'm sure this retard with 100 hours on record has been clearing h40
further proof that the screechers aren't actually good players nor very invested in the game

Do Chinese people like 40k? Seems like the collapsing dystopia where everyone is expendable would hit a little too close to home

>>527932573
It doesn't if you're delusional.

>>527932573
I don't know I'm not chinese bro.

1. jeets
2. slavs
3. chineses
4. french

Here's my ranking

>>527933303
thanks

>>527932573
I'm pretty sure the type of people in china who have the time to play video games for fun aren't really all that negatively affected by their systems

Finally we will be free of from the oppression of the rashad. Soon we shall flock to the eviscerator

>>527933303
Inquisitor? I found the nurgle cultist.

>>527933375
I never stopped using the eviscerator and the helbore lasgun. This update is a full win for me.

>>527933548
The zealot will finally match ogryns... again

>>527933548
I felt that way about the ogryn rework, but then ogryn got so boring that I stopped playing him