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>>528097247
we were past the post limit

py serb?

>>528085372
I have 8 trains, 12 wagons each and it kinda keeps up with 3-4 belts. Trains suck in coi right now, but they look neat and theoretically can be good.

Was a pain but big diggers can get under.

Pipework dreamed up by the utterly deranged. Yes I realize the hydrogen and pitch input/output are swapped on alternating rows. I think I'm going to need to move this anyway to make room for some other stuff.

>>528098851
The unloader which is temporary

>>528101947

apparently the furry is planning a major version update for SE
it got anything good in it?

>>528101947
Looks neat until I realize you could just stack like 5 belts in one tile and probably move more material. Tier 2 trains when.

>>528103103
Bob? He's working on SE now?

>>528097247
And people wanted to fork the thread into a version without Factorio.

You're telling me-

Hold on
Hold on hold on hold on I gotta do the math here.

You're telling me that-
haha oh my god.

You're telling me by logistic science you end up having access to infinite tar, infinite natural gas and infinite oil just by slapping a buit of wet soil in a pipe for half an hour and walking around until you find a bitumen seep?

AND THEY'RE ALL POWER POSITIVE?
AND THERE'S NO REASON TO EVEN DIG UP COAL ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST MAKE LITERALLY EVERY FLUID YOU USE FROM THE BYPRODUCTS?

What's the catch?

I'm not letting the py devs see this

>>528073403
just build more?
starting from scratch sounds way more overwhelming

I've been sitting here scratching my head trying to figure out hydrogen production to feed gasoline production from anthracene oil, since you get more gasoline per anthracene using hydrogen, and without the excess coke as a byproduct. And then I finally realize that feeding that coke byproduct back into the loop actually gets you more gasoline per raw coal input than using the hydrogen recipe. Oh well. At least hydrogen from syngas seems to be far and away the best method to produce the stuff, at logistics science anyway, so my mental flailing hasn't been all for nothing.

>>528114404
If scaling up is an issue, it would be much easier to pull a dozen belts of raw coal out of a single coal patch than to find the equivalent amount of bitumen seeps and transport their respective fluids wherever you need them. Otherwise, I'm honestly not sure. This is relatively new territory for me as well.

>>528103103
source?

>>528115630
>If scaling up is an issue
No, 15 levels of infrastructure is an issue. Back of the napkin calculations tell me you can use the byproducts of tar, natural gas and oil seeps to balance them all together. It is literally insane and need to look into this deeper.
>>528115630
>I've been sitting here scratching my head trying to figure out hydrogen production to feed gasoline production
...A row of electrolizers for water electrolysis?
>but it uses 10 MW!
Power in pyanodon is infinite and I don't understand how people don't take it for granted. Like, this tar extractor has been sped up by a factor of 32 thousand with a row of beacons (because that's the limit for factorio apparently?) and it's shitting out 2.5 million tar a minute. Thing is, I checked the before and after running it for 10 minutes straight at this speed, which taking into account the x32000 speed boots is around hmmm
5 thousand hours real time and you know how much it got depleted?

The reservoir went from 33 278 808 to 33 082 621
It literally used 250 K units out of 33 million
in 5 thousand hours
YOU COULD BURN TAR NEAT FOR THOUSANDS OF HOURS
AND YOU STILL WOULDN'T MAKE A DENT INTO THIS SHIT

and you know how you make infinite gasoline?
tar

you make infinite gasoline from tar because you crack anthracene and you get gasoline and coke, coke which you can void into more tar and I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

THIS TRIVIALIZES EVERYTHING
WHY ISN'T EVERYONE USING THIS

Yes, it's me.

They found out.

No one must know about zis.

>>528117013
>250 K units out of 33 million
Ok yeah what the fuck, that's absurd. That does match up with my observations on geothermal water usage, though. I've consumed 106 million so far, across 3 nodes, and each node still shows the same expected resource value on the map as I initially marked when I started exploiting them. There's clearly some kind of disconnect between the stated size of the resource node and the actual yield.

>>528117771
yeah basically it's x100
if you look at the message in the chatlog when I first ruptured that seep, it says the expected yield is 3 Billion units.

You know how this opens up an absolute can of laughs when it comes to oil power?
And I thought coal power plants were overpowered.
You can make kerosene from oil distillates using gasoline you get from tar and basically, this changes everything.

I think they just slept on this because it really became only good with the instantaneous 2.0 fluid transmission changes. I am expecting this will get nerfed into the ground, but before that?
haha.
Hahahahahahaha.

By the way at 140 units a second (that's standard for any kind of extractor on a seep at mining prod 4 which you get by logi) that means that the average seep will get depleted in hmm

give or take 70 years of continuous game time, yes

>>528117771
>>528117962
It counts the cycles but each cycle produces 100 fluids. I have no idea why you think that's OP, the mod has insane amount of ways to make power and resources are essentially unlimited, doubly so because you play the mod without biters anyways.

>>528119006
Even if the resource was consumed 140 times faster that would still be 6 months of continuous gameplay with 0 upgrades along the way. That's still several times the length of an average PY run. The devs are well aware that the seeps and such are "infinite", that's how they are supposed to be. They are throughput limited not quantity limited.

>>528123116
>I have no idea why you think that's OP
Because with 3 MW of power a seep you can shit out every resource with minimal requirements and infrastructure.
>the mod has insane amount of ways to make power
That's true, but this is quite easily the simplest possible one, as it requires nothing but electricity to print a veritable plethora of byproducts. It \greatly\ simplifies the acquirement of resources which would usually need to be belted and require non-renewable (or renewable much later on) for no cost and almost no infrastructure, in a format that can be piped across the map and suffers no throughput limitations, and no item penalties.

Everything about this is already possible in py but that doesn't mean it's easy to do. It requires a laundry list of items to do these things, while the seeps provide an infinite, easy to produce and easy to route, set and forget way to handle everything from coal gas to tar, to syngas to acetylene, refined syngas, naptha, aromatics, and literally every kind of fluid you'd have to stand on 1 legs with 3 plates spinning in each hand to make sure they don't overlap or overproduce.
And all the other easy ways to do this are locked much later in the game.

>>528076375
Ah that's a shame. I liked the idea of having a single river flow through the map that I could build a huge dam in front of.
Might pick another map then I suppose.
>>528086357
Yep, it's a pain.
I get it that it's a cool feeling to finally get to automated power, but sometimes I wonder if there should have been some in-between tech that allowed you to automate biomass collection or something.
Anyways, I hope you know that you can press E on a shrub and if you don't let go of the key after that you can just sprint across the map and it will auto-collect everything.

>>528127000
hmm

>>528065831
wait the serb is STILL on that 1000x run? or is it a different one

Alright I did some more thorough testing and it seems
>Oil seep
140 oil/s = 475 MW in 6 oil power plants + 15 coke/s
high and medium distillates are only good to be burned in an oil burner to make the steam to crack the oil
condensates give refined gas, which can be burned or turned into naphta
there's also a renewable recipe with it for formaldehyde if for some reason you don't wanna use copper but eh, or the moss TURD for refined to natural gas, which I always thought was an odd one.
>Tar seep
It's free tar. The conversion into byproducts is power positive and it gives you a lot of useful stuff. It's not 450 MW of free power, but hey, it's free tar forever. It's worth it to keep one around.

>Raw gas seep
This one seems to be by far the worst. It's good for natural gas. Not much else. Only probably useful much later on in the game.

Oil seems to be the best option possible for a power freebie, tar is a close second.

>>528132286
I THINK HYPERCUBE WAS KINO AND CUBE 2 WAS DEFINITELY WORSE BUT NOT ACTUALLY THAT BAD

>>528135719
>raw gas seel
I get that after eating beans

>>528135719
>140 oil/s = 475 MW in 6 oil power plants

Okay but that sounds impressive until you realize that's just a single belt of raw coal in 6 coal power plants.
Coincidentally, that's also what tar is, a coal byproduct. And I don't see how you can make coal gas from just tar either, which means the aluminium and syngas production are lacking. The only thing you can't make out of coal or isn't strictly used for power in your list is the naptha, which doesn't really have a lot of uses outside mining rare earth, which you'll need for cobalt, which you already get from phosphate, or bitumen, which you get from arquad. Complete destructive distillation of 1 belt of raw coal to tar and coal gas gives 70 tar, which means a tar seep is 2 belts of raw coal compared to oil's 1 belt, without the coal gas.

So while these seeps are somewhat hassle-free, they're hardly revolutionary.

>>528138354
>Angel's bioprocessing gameplay

does it matter which i pick
never played before but I can factory

>>528142781
you still have time to refund

>>528142896
i didn't even buy it

why

>>528142781
It's all in the same map, the difference is how close you are to the key resources from each position. Just pick the grass fields it's fine.

>>528081491
>>528082590
Nice train setup anon from the previous thread
I've been considering adding more to my station blueprints, they're a little similar, parameterized to having a hard train limit and calculating a soft limit based on how many train loads the station currently can hold/accept. I had found out the selector combinator was unnecessary for getting the stack size since you can actually parameterize it into an automatic formula (p0_s), which lets them work before blue science.
My lights are really basic just showing red for inactive, yellow for when trains incoming = train limit and green when available.
One thing I've been considering is letting the stations open for one last load if the mining patch has exhausted, maybe connect that to the radar so I have a total count of resources available.

I'm trying to talk to my guildies more and build unity because if we're going to have events later I want coordination and not just awkward silence

I think I really dislike Forest despite having lucked into Aria x2.
I made a phone account for shits and giggles. I can't evaluate accounts for shit, though, so which one is "better"?

shoo.

ever since factorio added the gacha mecanic we get a lot of retards here

wow they make you handcraft so much shit in the satisfactory start
i should've taken the start at t1 option

>>528149763
So, since 2017 when Uranium processing was added?
0.7% chance to roll a U235 is literally gacha, after all.

>>528151371
nah, you have to have prefixed like "EPIC" to qualify as gacha

what about legendary uranium 235?

>>528153245
one time I set up uranium processing at a mine to lower traffic on the rail network
honestly it worked too well even if it did require some circuit fuckery

I don't get why the went with rpg adjectives for the quality tiers instead of something like
>Poor Noun
>Reliable Noun
>Good Noun
>Great Noun
>etc etc
>Perfected/Pristine Noun
Also why the hell is the mechanic something you get later in the game instead of it being there from the start to add complexity through the entire run?

>>528142781
Third choice is the best btw. Northern forest is OP as fuck compared to the other shitty starts.

>>528145417
Solar+electric boilers only operating on surplus. Basically it's an accumulator for when your power demand outstrips supply.

>>528156020
>rpg adjectives
even factorio devs are not immune to playing gachas
>something you get later
half the playerbase would get stuck recycling for days until their factories are 100% upgraded

>>528156020
The adjectives are retarded, thankfully there's a mod (Customizable Quality Names) that let's you rename them to whatever you want, I think the default is Improved, Superior, Exceptional and Flawless.
>Also why the hell is the mechanic something you get later in the game instead of it being there from the start to add complexity through the entire run?
I think that'd be overcomplicating vanilla, especially in the early game. You might be interested in this one though.
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Inverted-Quality

>>528156020
>Later in the game.
Quality is unlocked with all the other modules at green science.

>>528158480
>half the playerbase would get stuck recycling for days until their factories are 100% upgraded
Fair point
>>528158738
Looks interesting I'll give it a go.

>>528158743
I stand corrected, serves me right complaining about that before I've even hooked up oil.

>>528158457
I was more talking about the I/O of it
you're practically required to have a spaghetti build to make it work

Beavers are fun but they just make me wish I'd accumulated enough gaming mana to fire up WRSR again.

>>528158743
>>528160673
Quality modules are unlocked at green science, but the last 2 tiers of quality are locked behind researches from other planets.

>>528161431
>but the last 2 tiers of quality are locked behind researches from other planets.
So? I had green and a bit of blue quality on Nauvis which helped tremendously when I made my first shitty spaceships. Sure, legendary items are great but it's not like the others aren't worth using at all. Plus they are so much more common and easy to get which makes scaling up and getting the other tiers faster. With 4 rare T2 quality modules in an assembler that's a 12.8% chance to get an upgraded item.

When I did Fulgora as my first planet I did quality scrap sorting which meant that pretty much every item I used from then on was rare quality.

>>528162564
inherently irrelevant opinion
t. completed the game without engaging with quality

>>528160962
Not really. Just loop the water around since it's lossless. The output steam should be hooked up to turbines and the input comes from your boilers. All you need to do is make sure to have a silo large enough to fit the water for when it's emptying. You should be able to fit this all in neat rows.

>>528161431
What's with this bot post

>>528162974
maybe it's better when scaled up, but it really doesn't make much sense with 1 or 2 of them
regardless I think I'll use the steam from arc furnaces for desalination and excess into electricity

>>528163123
I'll bot your post, faggot. Both posters were partially correct. Quality is available at green science with the rest of the modules, but you can't reap the full benefits until later. That's not to say quality isn't useful as soon as you unlock it, of course.

i didn't realize I had to make a fucking space elevator to unlock coal
what the fuck

>>528165884
Yup. Plus you still need to research the coal power milestone. Better go grab more leaves buddy.

>>528166091
i built just enough stuff to make basically mall and was struggling with power
made a bunch of biomass things but then it is impossible to fuel them
basically have to make one container -> belt per and manually multiplex them because belts suck dick
the chainsaw/solid biofuel make it half bareable and I was doing all of the research just waiting on the timers between them
didn't realize I had to make the elevator before the next tier
i have to say everything takes too many resources, things craft too slowly, buildings are huge, the belts are unweildy
its worse than factorio in everyway and if you want 3d even dsp does it better than this

Quick and dirty quality automation, just because I really want epic pumpjacks on aquilo for the sweet sweet 50% resource drain.

>>528166871
That's why everyone builds a big gay floating platform so they can get the space needed to build. Just wait until you get to the buildings that are five times wider and taller than an assembler.
Satisfactory stops being such a slow piece of shit once you get steel which gives you T3 belts with 270? Speed. You're pretty damn close. Get coal and research steel and throw together a line of foundries.

>>528167521
The first thing you should be getting quality on is quality modules anon. Or maybe you're already doing that but using the quality modules to build quality modules which gives you better quality, quality modules.

been a hot minute since i played
whats the go to way pre-emptive cleaning of nests before having access to other planets?
already at big biter/worms, started driving around with a tank, slapping down turrets and just pelting away at range with rockets but its slow as all fuck

>>528168326
Uranium ammo turrets or tank shells. Did you know your tank has an equipment grid now? You can put roboports in it and even drive it remotely as long as you have radar coverage.

>>528168278
quality modules are a fuggora thing, although right now I've just got quality mods in my qual3 assemblers (none in qual2 or 1). I'm not doing a ton with the lower modules and sorting through quality with that because I'm probably going to do a more dedicated quality setup for that (with quality scrap miners and recyclers).
The whole point of these setups is they're incredibly low effort to set up, which is nice since I'm still only on aquilo and I don't want to roll too deep before legendary.

>>528142781
Don't listen to >>528147712
>Just pick the grass fields it's fine.

The grass fields are *not* fine. You will get fucked on places to tap water for coal power after the initial biomass romp. There's only two coal nodes present for miles and neither has water nearby, necessitating you to belt it towards the water for miles.

Quartz and caterium also are in low availability in that area.

Pick the rocky desert start.
That's actually the ideal one for beginners.
Has every resource in proximity, including easy access to SAM.
And ironically has more of an abundance of water sources than the grass fields.

>>528156020
>I don't get why the went with rpg adjectives for the quality tiers
Literally because Kovarex thought it was funny and lol-so-random.

>>528170692
>Literally because Kovarex thought it was funny and lol-so-random.
They're also immediately recognizable to the majority of players.

>need water for coal power
uhh welp

>>528172615
There's a spot not too far off that has both water and coal in close proximity, so it'll be easier to set everything up there and run power poles back to your base. Save you space at your main base too.

>>528172879
i thought the node with a big rock on it here was coal but apparently it is iron too even though there are like 4 pure iron nodes i can use
closest coal i see is 800m away so it sounds like it kinda sucks either way

>>528172170
The WoW color scheme alone would be immediately recognizable to the majority of players, sticking the same fantasyjank names on top is just insulting.

>>528172615
You can also just break down your space elevator and rebuild it somewhere better, since it will be a while until you get back to it.

>>528173489
Kovarex is a WoW junkie so it makes sense. Don't forget the final Friday facts is about him playing WoW

Dear diary,

Today I learned that Marek is a nigger

>>528173451
800m is a bit of a hike on foot, yeah, but once you get any kind of better transport it becomes a lot more manageable. And you shouldn't need to be constantly moving back and forth between your coal power plant and main base once you get the power plant up and running.

There a mod to skip to coal I aint willing to run biomass for hours

i grabbed stuff to make coal and hiked out there
had to build storage boxes for ladders/parkour to get there
somehow I used some reinforced plates and was short so I had to drop stuff to make some more and find an iron node then died to fauna
guess I can go back with the stuff to make a few power plants again

I've got roboports, trains, mining productivity, night vision power, trains and my ego is saved
I can stop schizophrenically running around and spend the next 10+ hours rebuiling my base now.

I must've spent about as much time with Paint open and FtD in the background, as actually playing the game.

Can you explain what Py is?

am I being weird in that I'm enjoying this much more than I ever did vanilla

>>528181737
A miserable pyle of alien manure.

Can someone please make a fucking serb for this gay modded shit so I can play it without contracting terminal autism?

>>528182043
We would have to discuss extra mods.

>>528181823
on one hand, no
on the other hand
>4x speed
sort of?

>>528182705
idgaf; if there is serb I will play

>>528181823
>speed mod

You're not being weird, you're being disingenuous.

>>528181737
It's an extremely long mod suite created by pyanodon (hence the name PY). The main gimmick is alien lifeforms and plants that you have scale up by seeding the buildings with their outputs and letting the populations grow before harvesting. Additionally it comes with a whole suite of your standard metal plate chain extensions (as well as dozens of new minerals) and about gorillion new gasses that you have to process. More over most materials have at least couple competing recipes (such as making a gas by reacting another gas with a metal plate or raising an animal that belches the gas when you kill it) that you can choose to play with, there's your standard strict upgrades of course but there's a lot of handy side grades that you can engage with if you like very interesting if you aren't using a calculator to just figure the absolute optimal route.

The actual main gimmick is that it's hideously long even without any of the optional added challenges like hard mode, py-block or any science multipliers with chains reaching hundreds of processing steps in the mid game already. A run can go for as long as 1000h

>>528181823
The early game I find particularly refreshing when you come off other mods, the ash management and early seeding of animals and plants is novel as is mining requiring gasses etc.

>>528182964
>4x speed
to his credit that particular cheat will prove fruitless eventually when he hits UPS limits on his base.

>>528183565
>or any science multipliers
There's no real reason considering the science multiplier is baked in with every new one

>>528183565
So Py's creator is genius and a madman.

>water electrolysis is just straight up better per wattage and worker than super steam thermolysis
what the fuck am I missing here

>>528183905
That's a meaningless statement really, the point is that you can just make a vanilla game and give it 10k science multiplier and make it long, but PY as it's meant to be played is long without any additional settings. The fact that it doesn't the science cost increases as you progress is just nice way to keep the early builds relevant but it would be long even without that since most of the time is always spent on the most up to date science anyhow.

>>528184124
No tovarish, py's a open source project that's been going on for around a decade and changed completely over time and the creator's just a nerd and the mod's most a jerkoff contest and most of its content is a joke.
Your first GMO spliced animal's entire chain from abiogenesis to mass slaughter simply exists to make rubber stoppers for the science.
The second animal exists to make shit to drown a third live animal in.
And use the congealed fat meat blood brains bones etc from butchering them to make animal samples.
Third animal? Its milk.
They did some cool stuff with it though in some points.

>>528184713
Ah I see, so the people that play the mod are insane.

>>528185114
As I said it's in a pretty good place right now, it's so old it's legal to marry in some arab countries and if you ignore the implications, it has its moments. And the recipe chains are well thought out at least for the first few hundred hours of the game.

It is kind of a silly mod though.
And they're always working on a space age update too.

>>528181363
I don't plan out my tetris, or anything
I say I want a battleship and I make a battleship

>>528170398
As a grass fields enjoyer, I usually take over these four normal coal nodes and belt them out to the sea where I build a massive island of coal power generators and water pumps.
It lives on to become a significant portion of my power generation, receiving upgrades as the game progresses.
Even in early game, you should be able to build off site power generation.

>>528167521
what's with the deconstruction planner filter?

>>528198837
I just use that to filter a splitter to not output anything that side. The decon planner is nice since it's pretty visible (it's a giant red square) and you can get it in your cursor easily with alt+D

>>528198602

>>528199582
nta, is there a better way to do this?

>>528198602
>>528200135
There's always a way to do a system with fewer combinators, but whatever works, works. Oh, jeeze, we're wasting 10 tiles and 5 kilowatts, what a shame.

>>528200216
It's not vanilla but you can do this with a single condition using Nixie tubes instead of the stupid vanilla display panels.

>>528183565
>as long as 1000h
less than I expected

>>528200951
ah, i wanted to know if there was a way vanilla
i know nixies exist but i like the jank of doing it vanilla

>>528200216
You can do it per-digit and do some modulo arithmetic with a combinator as well, but you do need all 10 conditions. It's really annoying.

ziggurat #2

Dead egg

I'm making an egg game I'll revive this eventually

2.1 when

Do you guys think 2.1 will have any major changes or just some tweaks/nerfs?

>>528215845
do you consider nerfing the shit out of asteroid upcycling and lds shuffle as major?

>>528116961
a random on a completely unrelated discord server
he has since clarified that it's not shit actually just making it work on 2.0

>>528215845
i think its never coming out

Catfucker got doxxed

>>528149162
I've been thinking of making it so my pickups will fire a green 1 into the radar logistics signal for each trainload an item has and a red 1 for each trainload a dropoff is missing so I could see what was out of balance in a single location but I've been lazy

Which is funny because in my Nullius run I had a 1.0 train network that had a global train stop priority system that did something similar and I even worked out a display that would tell me at a glance if any item was overflowing or underserved and even if that item didn't have enough trains dedicated to it. It was murderously complex and it was never fully implemented because I was worried about what a UPS hog it would be which I recognize now was probably stupid and I should have just done it anyway

>>528214212
Any minute now.

>>528218685
qrd?

>>528160962
I don't think it's too spaghetti with just one.

This is how I set some up recently.

I wish I was fucking cats.

/egg/ for this feel?

>>528235540
Stormworks is like this but everything is way too light (it still flips/tips over)

>>528235540
Literally me in snowrunners. Driving straight onto a trailer is impossible.

>>528201089
That's if you know what you're doing and how you're playing. There is one guy who speedran logistic science by 35 hours, and there's another one who got it by the 500 hour mark. Most people will get it between 50 to 150 hours. After that it's terra incognita.

>>528153245
For me, it's Cesium 137.
>water soluble
>huge beta emitter
>accumulates in soft tissue aka organs
>glows in the dark aka causes Goiania-esque disasters

>>528248207
lmao beta

If your favorite elements don't last mere microseconds before destroying themselves you're not a real engineer.

Pitch is literally just liquid stone and I'm going to use that to curbstomp my ever sprawling moss builds because that shit is ridiculous

>>528193143
First; that's quite a ways out from your actual drop point and unless you know where those are (i.e. you cheated by looking them up on something like the satisfactory-calculator interactive map) you are not going to be marching all the way down there as a first-time player to build your initial factories in its vicinity.

Second; it's all well and good that you'd belt them out to sea for a massive coal plant - but then how do you get the power back to your base of operations? In particular - how would a first time player get it back down to their factories we can assume are all going to be in the south near the giant arch? You *don't* have the large power towers yet by the time you unlock and have to transition into coal power. That only comes after you unlock more progress tiers for steel processing; advanced steel processing; and advanced power delivery. You'd have to run a stupid long chain of small power poles down the entire country side ...


Btw. why not just use the water in the hole there, though? Why belt out to sea? The hole already easily fits 4 rows of 8 generators each - and by the time you gain belts fast enough to supply them all, coal power is pretty much an irrelevant drop in the bucket...

bumpo

is there something like the satisfactory overwolf overlay that isn't fucking overwolf

>>528248207
>glows in the dark

please, im a factorio noob, just got to purple science and am chilling, i got turrets in some chokepoints and no biter nests are covered in pollution, yet constantly i get one biter in my base, somewhere, eating belts, i cant drive there, because there are trees everywhere, walking there takes minutes
do i literally just have to build a wall + turrets around my whole base, or is there a simpler solution?

>>528267201
walling your entire base is one solution, the other is systematically pruning nests until you find "choke points" between lakes and then walling those choke points to claim all the land behind them.

regardless of what you do or how your pollution spreads, biters will spawn packs and spread across the map to create new bases and claim territory they don't need while blaming you for it like a Civilization CPU. And they do this more frequently the higher their evolution factor. So you can never be "done" with biters.

>>528262457
>chasing its own tail
Must've some dog DNA in it.

>>528267201
Biters expand slowly back even if you clear them out, there's probably a nest that you haven't remapped if you are getting attacked. You can spot those on the pollution map as mysterious holes or dips in the pollution.

>>528268537
i see, well, I did what you're talking about, and I got about half of my base in chokepoints, but the other half is just plains, i'll just bite the bullet and do some sorta scuffed flame turret blueprint and wall my whole base - do i need to get defenses even inside the base, or will they not spawn there?
sorry for asking to be spoonfed, I'm avoiding wikis and such to come up with everything myself, but the biters are driving me insane

>>528269102
only the defensive line actually needs guns, but you should supplement flamethrowers with either gun or laser turrets because flamers have a minimum range and that usually means that a single small biter getting through will slowly, over hours, demolish your entire wall. Lasers are easier since they don't need supplies, only electricity, but are generally too weak to function without the flamers. I tend to use gun turrets and mines to supplement the walls and flamers but maintaining the supplies to a wall of that variety is needlessly complex and best done using a supply train

>>528269367
nta but at what point are lasers too weak?
maybe it's just because I have enough research but by the time the biters were annoyingly expanding everywhere so I couldn't just exterminate them in a tank every once in a while I was able to just shit out laser turrets everywhere without walls or any other support and it worked fine

>>528269102
you should read the official wiki
it does't tell you how to solve anything directly and gives you lots of important information that you need to consider in your design and playstyle

>>528269669
When you get behemots or large raids of big biters

>>528181363
what am i looking at

>>528200216
you can do it with 1 constant and 1 decider to get the entire number with total accuracy
frankly, i prefer the combinatorless approach - in the majority of cases you don't care if it's 112380532 or 112380533, 110M is good enough

why doesn't my dumped compost turn to dirt? the excavator is just digging up compost again...

Any new /egg/s to keep an eye out for?

>>528277348
we were talking about Little Rocket Lab the other day
seems neat

>>528198602
There's this thing, it's called modulo. You should use it.

>>528277348
penis

>>528278791
>dog
you just know

>>528216915
I believe they're keeping quiet to not do the same mistake the did with spage, where they got excited and impatient, so they can now bide their sweet time and not be subject to looming deadlines

>>528274931
happens over time

assembling pyanodonserb, what do you faggots want?
so far i've got the py suite + no-overhang

>>528278791
>Factorio: Cute and Funny edition
count me the fuck in

>>528280415
even distribution, picker dollies, cleaned concrete

>>528266424
the fact that cesium 137 glows blue is what caused the goiania nuclear disaster
iirc a small child rubbed the death powder all over herself because it fucking glowed blue

>>528281036
Why did their parents show "glow blue challenge" to their kids if they didn't want their kid to paint themselves blue?

>>528248207
For me, it's Plutonium

>>528281141
the parents also liked the glowing dust
they all died btw

>>528277348
space engineers 2 is getting modding support in 2 days
why would they add modding before any gameplay loop is beyond me

>>528248207
>>528281036
>>528281291
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3NJXGSIIA

>>528281204
Plutonium is yet another proof that the US government is comically evil. They injected people with plutonium just to see what it did to them.

>>528281336
>why would they add modding before any gameplay loop is beyond me
Pure greed and retards will buy it and defend it.

>>528278791
something off about the pixel art that makes it unappealing to me.

>>528280773
picker dollies isn't updated to 2.0, link me the one you want
added dirtpaths and mouse-over-construction

>>528281841
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/even-pickier-dollies

>>528280415
It's basically client side, but idk if factorio separates them - the two mods I really hate playing without are Rate Calculator and Factory Planner.
Also idk how multiplayer compatible Blueprint Sandboxes is, but I use that to ad-hoc test builds.

>>528280415
inserter config, no jazz py, PyEarlyMiniTrainsContinued, pYBetterItemFluidStorageIcons, larger lamps, flow control, far reach, flare stack, even distribution, clean floor, disco science, bottleneck lite, squakthrough, rate calculator, mouseover construction and py cranes.
And milestones.

How the fuck did servers work again, you need the right version of the game, do you need the DLC as well to join? Did you have to backup your mods when you joined or no since I have a py run of my own and I don't want to update the mod mid run.

>>528284170
if you're not a piratefag and they're both on the same version, the game will restart and mods will sync automatically

>>528284730
I have a legal copy, I'm just on 1.1 for the PY run and don't want to mess with that or the local py mod files. I guess I will back them up just in case.

>>528285065
probably better off downloading 2.0 fresh then, reverting back a version isn't really doable
i highly recommend the portable zip

>>528285065
the world will retain a mod list required for playing it and will ask to sync if the mods are not enabled

>>528280248
wdym over time. how much time. so is there no way to reliably automate compost to dirt?
i don't think this semen slurping game is for me...

>>528285412
Well steam can downgrade just fine, but that's not a bad idea saves the hassle at least. I think I will still backup the mods though just in case.

>>528284170
>do you need the DLC as well to join?
Py doesn't work with spage.

>>528286762
That doesn't actually answer the question, there are games that still require all their DLC even if the content isn't enabled cause otherwise there's desynchs or something between players that have and don't have the DLC.

Starter aquilo setup, it really just makes ice platforms.
I'll want to dispose of ammonia eventually, but I don't have room until more ice platforms bank so I have to delete a tank every so often.

>>528287081
That is not the case for pyanodon. Unless the server owner specifically added spoilage, quality and belt stacking (which requires an external mod).

>>528281529
>They injected people with plutonium just to see what it did to them.
I expected to see shit like this in Spess Station 13, not irl.
Greatest country on Earth my ass.

600 asteroid booster parts needed
that means 300 enriched uranium 20%
1500 regular uranium
9000 yellowcake
54000 uranium ore
That's like 4 hours of the world mine operating at 6x.

Is there an easier way? The nuclear recipe spaghetti is confusing but it looks like no free lunch here.

Also it seems that there's no good way to get rid of depleted uranium. I thought you could make it straight into blanket fuel last update, now requires enriched blanket fuel and seems that would take away from the core fuel production.

>>528288615
Look at your FBR settings and look at the 3x enriched option. You generate less steam but also make far more enriched blanket fuel that you can use to make plutonium and 20%. Part of that is using depleted uranium to replace yellowcake in making blanket fuel.

>>528282064
>>528282313
added
>>528282841
added but i fucking hate bottleneck lite so that's hidden - it will however force auto-sync it to hidden for others joining
is there any real way to have people decide whether they want them to be on? if not i'll just re-enable it because i won't be playing much

>>528289813
Ooooh.. Thanks, missed that. Was about to build something stupid.

That explains those recipes

>>528290962
I agree with you that bottleneck is an ugly mod that I never add.

>>528286065
>so is there no way to reliably automate compost to dirt?
in mixers?

>>528280415
elevated rails

>>528288615
the fuck is this game

>>528299592
Captain of inudstry's latest space update.

>>528290962
Don't put meme settings in, disable pollution and biters and use the recommended map stuff, maybe bump up the spacing by a step or two max since multiple people can deal with space easier.

>>528301281
funny enough I just watched this video of an autist fighting with pollution in his gigabase because he doesn't want to use a console command
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Il-vpOXNM

>finally reach construction parts IV and unlock the reactor
>hype
>start designing it
>realize it will take 1/4th of my population to run it with all processing for 90MW
>plus a buttload of expensive construction parts
>plus uranium imports or world mine
>plus dealing with the waste and DU

>do some math on coal
>one assembly 3 produces enough household goods for 30MW of coal imports
>coal can be traded for quartz to make the glass
>I've got huge iron deposits and it's an easy trade with servers as soon as I unlock those
>wood is almost free
>takes 8 guys to run per 15MW boiler with no processing
>can scale it up or down as much as I want
>exhaust scrubbing gives me free steam for desalinators

I can even save on coal consumption at first by taking all those construction parts I'm saving not building a reactor and switching my blast furnaces over to arc furnaces instead.
I'm kinda sad that the reactor is so bad compared to coal, but at least designing the FBR will be interesting.

>really didn't feel like delivering rock for the path
>deliver asteroid instead

>>528301281
>disable biters
definitely
>disable pollution
is lategame that bad or did they change some early stuff?
thinking about making it spread slower instead of outright delet

>>528311559
This would be the fastest way to expand your island by far.

>>528295083
that requires gravel, I want to dump compost, mine it up as dirt.

>>528311908
What's the point of having pollution enabled if you don't have biters?

>>528312062
>>528274931
You can literally see the dirt in the excavators bucket.

>>528312095
To turn the water green

>>528311908
>is lategame that bad or did they change some early stuff?
It's for UPS, there's no point having pollution if there's no biters either.

>>528312338
you can literally see it also digs up compost. how can i reliably have an auto miner set up to dig dirt if it changes to dirt over time only.

>>528312932
Are you retarded? You were already told how to automate making dirt if you want it instantly. You can also just trade for it.

>>528268586
Nah it's onnae them "Our Rob or Ross" thingies

server up, now with 10 thousand warnings!
let me know if i forgot any mods/settings

>>528315740
IP?

>>528316628
Eat ten thousand eggs before posting.

>>528315740
Ill join tomorrow, now it's sleep time

>>528315740
Never played Py, what am I in for.

>>528252950
>You'd have to run a stupid long chain of small power poles down the entire country side ...

You didn't have to call me out like that.

>>528326053
Big power poles are big and ugly so I never used them ever since they put them in the game. Other anon must have only played 1.0

>>528271860
Turret tetris. How much shit can I plop on a spinner without blocking it from rotating.

The top is fitting as many autoloaders with 4 clips each into the confines as I can, without overlapping the spinner (purple) with more than one clip.
The bottom shows how I'm going to snake the cooling vents around to connect it all.

>>528326565
I enjoyed the zip line with the large poles for the while before it got outclassed.

>all right, time to play new satisfactory update, I completed the game, I know what's what, start new run
>oh right, I don't have hoverpack until late game
>oh right I don't have jetpack either
>oh right I don't have dimensional storage
>oh right my pockets are one fourth of what they could be
>oh right, I can't even build anything not shitty until I sink half a planet
How do I motivate myself to go through early tiers?

>>528327883
I got this shit down to a science.

Real autism serb.

>>528330358
what can you craft with the gay ore?

>>528330603
Gay ore is plants and is used to craft the first science and animals

>>528330603
That's native flora
>>528330358
That's some real fucked starter patches, like I would instantly reroll this seed if I got it.

Science

Is this true ? i remember steam turbines overheating at 100°C and needed to be made of steel

>>528328272
By turning on flight and unlocked awesome shop. And understanding this game doesn't deserves the effort of a pure playthrough.

>>528326582

>>528333112
fake and gey but I love how all 4 hubcaps pop off at the same time.

>>528280415
>no overhang
just why

>>528334456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlEk4pB0Co
Not fake just weird lighting + strange floor + sped up + multiple compressions

>>528335919
Okay, yeah that's legit. The fact that gravity was accelerated in the mp4 triggered my bullshit detection super hard.

>>528336119
>"""gravity was accelerated"""
Dude, it's a video that's been sped up. Have you never seen that before or something?

>>528330358
i should probably have run water to start with and set up all the steel in one place so it could be more than a single manufactory that needs limestone manually delivered
but that can be tomorrow's problem

>>528331254
Overheats at 1000c.
Stops working at 100c.

wtf is the point of Pyanodon it looks so ugly

question about factorio
more rocket silos is obviously better
but what about space platform hubs, more cargo bays better or can the entry rockets just noclip each other into 1 landing pad?

>>528357435
To make you suffer

>>528357843
There is a limit on how many rockets can go into any one port giggity, so if you're going to be bringing in a lot of items at once it'll probably be useful to have multiple cargo bays.

I've been sitting here trying to figure out why this didn't work until I finally hovered over it and realized I was requesting the circuit signal version of destroyers. I almost never request them so I didn't even know two versions of all the deployables even existed.

Now I can continue zapping pentapods on Gleba.

Delivering asteroids is just kinda nuts

>>528359982
I'm glad I'm not the only one that makes server farms out in the middle of nowhere.

been feeling that autism itch again. should i get captain of industry or timberborn? timberborn is on sale 30% off rn so while i feel like I captain of industry is what I'd go for normally, that ten dollars off is stalling my decision.
does captain of industry ever go on sale?

>finally committing to a second play through
>struggle to coal power
>have unlocked barely anything
>almost zero automation
>speedrun straight to dimensional storage
>now building out dimensional storage network
>still have functionally zero factory

This is kinda fun actually

>>528176148
All those companies.

All from Space Engineers.

All failures.

>>528366164
The earlygame into midgame of satisfactory is honestly pretty fun. It's only when you start really needing to scale out that it just becomes more and more tedious, and less and less interesting.
It reminds me a lot of GT:NH in that way, although that is even more fun early and even more of a disappointment later.

>>528368150
agree with the scaling part being tedious. doing the math on late game production chains you need to do and realizing the massive aluminum factory you spent 10 hours building is gonna need to be doubled in size just to cover this single product is kinda spirit crushing. oh boy. another shit load of refiners and crafters! how exciting.
ive never beat satisfactory but have done two multiple hundred hour saves in it, for this reason.

>>528366136
If you want to keep track of sale prices check out augmented steam browser extension. Or you can check the price history here.
https://isthereanydeal.com/game/captain-of-industry/info/

Both are fun but I'd say captain of industry is better game overall. Timberborn is neat but after the first bit of resource scares the difficulty and challenge drops like a rock off a cliff.

>>528366164
Would you say your experience has been satisfactory?

>>528368658
>>528368150
Next time I play I'm going to find some giga blueprint box mod and just stamp down entire factories when I need more shit. Scaling up in satisfactory wouldn't be nearly as bad if all you had to do was run a few belts of ore to your six freshly pasted assembly lines.
>Oh I need another 80 computers? *STAMP*

Plus with the new blueprint auto connect making train lines isn't such a pain in the ass anymore which would make hooking up far away resources as simple as connecting it to the network. Too bad the scheduling is still super basic.

Finally suffered through that part of the game where you unlock pretty tiles and markings, and have to beautify all of your factory at once.

>>528357435
having fun with logistics
>ugly
you can't even tell if a building is ugly while in alt mode

>>528366136
DSP

>>528372868
nta but the factorio sprites are absolute top tier, so py looks very ugly next to them

>somehow accidentally rotate a belt tile on my biter belt used for legendary prod modules
>alerts of damaged buildings keep coming
>thankfully I got turrets around
>everything is so full of corpses, I can't tell which belt to fix
be careful guys. biter eggs are no joke

Nice.
Py1 is over and done with at this point, I had to quickly burn through an excess of formic acid, cellulose, petri dishes and everything I left running in the past ~50 hours so I'm doing a 60 PSpm sprint. The automation for logistics is a tad more complicated but not that much and it's going to force me to really need to start on caravans and trains though because you really can't make everything on site. I've dismantled the old base in the meantime and it's only giving me small parts, automation science and air core conductors at the moment. And the various alloys are being smelted and put in a chest and fed from a chest. The real dealbreaker for logistics is the sheer amount of plasmids required by animal samples, or at least the laboratory instruments which require an annoying amount of intermediates and eat into my py1 production because of the rubber, which is why I'm beelining towards rubber 2 which is literally just tar byproducts + latex to double your spm, then I can remove that mess of incubators and labs.

I really need to set up caravans and trains but at the same time I really don't know how to centralize and plan my base.
>>528315740
Neat!

thank christ it's soon over

>>528290962
>>528291647
Bottleneck lite?
An ugly mod?
It adds a bit of a colored pip at the corner of each building to show if it's working or not, what's the problem? Even more so compared to the monstrosities that are py buildings.

>>528376769
The server also uses the cut down buildings which make them even uglier so honestly another ugly mod on top is no problemo

>>528377036
why is it cutting down buildings?

>>528377036
>which make them even uglier
personally I feel that, if anything, cutting them down makes them look a lot better on top of making them much more useful so you can actually see what's happening behind the overhang.

>>528377210
Because pyanodon is a very artistically inconsistent mod. Downright stupid in some cases.

>>528315740
>elevated rails
Oh no.

I don't have the DLC yet.

>>528377210
>>528377397
I fucking love not being able to rapidly assemble factories because for some reason the sprites are twice as big as the fucking footprint
one of the strangest decisions of the mod

>>528377486
elevated rails are amazing
turns factorio into rollercoaster tycoon

what planet mods have you actually played an recommend

>>528378304
2.0 and space age has been a disaster for factorio modding

>>528377210
PY has lots of buildings which have grapgics extending well beyond the actual area of the building. If you cut down the extra graphic it makes it easier to see. There's some very tall building graphics that make building around them more difficult. Personally I prefer that but I can understand why people like them cut down.

>>528377397
>personally I feel that, if anything, cutting them down makes them look a lot better
Well that's a preference I suppose, the buildings don't look great either way but personally the fact that the buildings just get cut like that makes them way uglier.

>>528375448
Is there a reasonable way to get enough moss to bootstrap? Not interesting in mining 100's of rocks.

>>528378446
it's just straight up bad no matter how you tweak it
>mod has pig ugly 4k textures for buildings that are fucking massive that take 15 minutes to load every time you boot up the game

>>528378742
Mine rocks and then spend the moss you get on making more moss, the same way you bootstrap everything else except you can't accelerate the others by mining rocks and instead have to wait on 3 minute craft times on creature labs

>>528378742
>Not interesting in mining 100's of rocks.
Get an AAI miner or companion drones.
>>528378761
No overhang also adds to the load time. Sadly these are non-negotiable terms.
You can be the first man to actually resize py buildings into something sane if you wish, but it's a massive undertaking

>>528379827
honestly if I were to do it I'd make them 80*80 pixel grey boxes with words describing what they are

>>528315740
Simple circuits are just around the corner, we're only missing the solder. A decent bit of the other components are automated, but some are still hand fed. The new iron mine also backed up with stone almost immediately, maybe look into doing the iron crushing back at the main base so we can void the stone into saline water easier.

And with that, I'm going to go pass out.

>>528382086
>maybe look into doing the iron crushing back at the main base so we can void the stone into saline water easier.
Are you retarded?
You need the bricks for automation. Don't tell me you'r mining kerogen.

>>528377486
the executable checks if you're trying to load any of the space age mods and stops, so there isn't a trivial way to enable them
you can pirate spaceage at all the usual places

That seems to be about enough dakka. Now to not finish the rest of this ship.

Fucking love CoI

>>528378761
Fits the elitist masochist image of the mod suite, that the devs behind the Py mods would not put out optimized image assets for regular 1080p usage. Also fits the image that, professionally speaking, they are absolute morons. (Take a look at some of their Lua scripting. It's atrocious.)

>>528383883
god I wish cars would prioritize surfaced roads instead of just off roading everywhere

https://youtu.be/yUfJ_GnVXNs
Bioclang.

it's done
jesus christ if I had known I'd not even bother and just placed my smelter next to it

>>528384002
You can close them in with barriers

>>528384058
I can do that with a bit of alien flora and some green circuits

Is there any oil blueprints I can crib from for Bob's sans Angel on 2.0? The rest of my factory is cooking but I can't figure out what an optimal oil chain would look like without a massive field of flares.

I been outta the oil game for too fucking long.

>>528384183
it's just needlessly annoying

>>528384656
can you supply ratios and outputs?
if it's anything like nullius then the answer lies in priority recipes that function like a flare but gives resources for the overflow

For no particular reason, you use red wire for circuit networks unless a second wire color becomes necessary, in which case green wire is only used for an isolated signal.

>>528385598
I like to use one color for local signals and the other for global networks, just to simplify troubleshooting

>>528385598
This but green is first choice.

There's different wire colors?

>Red, Green
>No Blue

>>528385598
yes?
why would i bother to separate signals that don't need to be separated

>>528387039
readability
when you're making trillions of bespoke logic circuits it's better to make it easy to troubleshoot if something you did 50 hours ago starts acting up

>>528387203
but then if i change or add something to it and now it has a signal that does need to be isolated, i have to rewire a bunch of shit to have everything use red wires because there's only two colors to work with

>>528387012
blue = electricity = copper wire

Any reason we can't have more than two colors of wire beyond "muh UPS"?

>>528387686
UPS

>>528387686
necessity one would assume
there's never really a case where you need more than two that couldn't be solved with combinators limiting signal flow

>>528387686
UPS.
Also all combinators have only 2 connection points.

>open serb
>these mining setups
oh nononono...

Tho this is why I play

>>528388105
You could just connect 20 different colors to the red contact point and it wouldn't shatter my immersion that they are all still isolated.

Today we build FBR or die of radiation sickness trying

maybe adding all of these shovelware planets is a bad idea

why flywheels?

>>528382691
Even most faction crafts have a lot of empty spaces, you do not need to fill every bit of your ship with blocks

>>528389175
Maybe not, but I enjoy it.

>>528388847
Generators are not efficient when they're not working at 100% power, read the tooltips. It's best to put them on full throttle to charge up the flywheels and turn completely off while they discharge.

Protip: If you have for example 2 generators, each producing 4kw, and you're constantly consuming more than 4kw, disable auto balancing thing for one of the generators, so it works always, instead of having two of them constantly cycle on and off (losing efficiency when starting up)

Is it me or do kicalk actually just fucking suck for fiber?

You need 15 kicalk plantations to make 1 fiber/s and a trickle of clay, you can make everything on-site, or half of that if you waste 2 lamps a minute. They use 1 MW each and each wood processing unit costs 0.5, so you're using 19 MW.

Meanwhile, if you can use the logistic science ash + carbon dioxide recipe (which is the objectively correct recipe) you can get by with 1 forestry to make the same amount of wood to turn that into fiber, 1 nursery and 4 moss plantations.

The only difference is you need 2.5 times as many wood processing units (20 vs 8) but they're cheap and piss easy to craft unlike kicalk plantations which require duralumin and intermetallics. It also uses less power, ironically, because you only spend 10 MW on those 20 wood processing units. So basically you can make fiber out of wood more efficiently, more economically and faster than with the alien plant genetically engineered to make fiber.

i set any-planet-start to cubium and ligmaius said fuck you and put me there instead
it takes multiple minutes to load all of these modded sprites so I don't want to perform surgery on these mods to get it to work
i hope these commands were enough to not fuck it up

>>528302105
Oh my god, that is the pure raw autism I come to this thread for. His final design is beautiful!

...Wait, nevermind, there's still 40 minutes left in the video, what the fuck.

>>528204284
wherever I am, I must ziggurat

>>528393437
at least he's humble

>>528335919
lmao, I'll say this in an sport for dumbasses but its quite entertaining
funny how they have to literally push the car, I guess there is no one inside?
the recorder's voice too lol
this is like robot wars for hoodlums

>>528359982
>>528360661
is it fully random or can you sort of direct them?
nice train station too

>>528366136
Get them both, they're worth it
CoI was on sale recently I think, from the update maybe,

>>528366136
Summer sale soon so wait a couple days and then decide

>>528393437
My ziggur.

>>528394653
Robot wars was also for hoodlums. These car rigs are probably dramatically more expensive than anything you'd see there.
Even the US VS Japan mecha battle was basically just a staged wrestling match. People like it when big machines go bang and crash. who the fuck doesn't.

>>528370796
damn that's some good looking roadwork
I'm seriously thinking of dropping the odd number roads tho

>>528375683
sasuga anon, I hope you finally have fun filling that hole

>>528384139
Haha it's nice, you should leave it.

Must take patience to get the retaining walls right. Seems a landslide would be disasterous.

>>528384139
so
now you gotta fill the hole in with something, right?

>>528384139
now dig up the limestone

>>528390159
Anon, have you ever heard of "buried pipes"?
I think you might like it

>>528395090
>>528393936
whatever do you mean?

>>528396032
The pleasure I derive from this game is directly proportional to amount of stuff I see on the screen.

>>528396247
what wicked webs we weave wheresoever we wish

>>528302105
why not just play without pollution

>>528396247
fair enough

We zoomin, from this image we can conclude we are about 20% done with the mod.
Simple circuits made. We got splitters now.

I like how fragile the base is, almost no byproduct is being processed let alone even moved to a central storage, surely these ash boxes won't backfire.

damn nostalgia moments
it seems I don't many actual pictures from the final stages of my last game

>>528396826
The fact that solid gold statues are even on the table says a lot, I feel.

>>528396880
15 for circuits is pretty decent.

Curse whoever added elevated rails as a mandatory mod.
>>528382523
>you can pirate spaceage at all the usual places
I can buy spage if I wanted to I just don't wanna right now. Also not for linux. Turns out whatever unlocks mods isn't interchangeable between systems.

>>528390159
that's like saying a chest buffer improves the production ratio of a smelter array
the flywheels are just buffers, if your demand is more than your production you're fucked regardless, perhaps even more than without the flywheels due to the extra mass you need to spin up to recover from such a situation
you're better off using a separate powerplant for peak load like a singular to three diesel generator 2s

>>528395352
it's set up to be able to be dug out without removing the current level of retaining wall
I was kinda flip flopping between bins and just dumped storage but overall I think dumped storage is better since it allows for vertical stacking

>>528394874
>is it fully random or can you sort of direct them?
You click where to put them, the most recent update also also says "Added asteroid placement radius indicators." They have a really huge splash area.

>nice train station too
Thanks, still figuring those out. I think having a stacker followed by a 180 turnaround is more space efficient, just have to be careful to leave room on both sides of the station for the train to access all loader modules without blocking a path.

>>528392941
I found it ironic that the best possible result was still just using trees.

>>528399047
>I think having a stacker followed by a 180 turnaround is more space efficient
whats the stacker?
imo I think its bit excessive on waiting waiting yards, but I guess its good to plan in advance
but on how trains work, I think its definitely more efficient to make long ass freighters, than a bunch of smaller ones,
though for sure having a bit more un/loading speed helps
I also wondered if making dead ends can work for flipping a train's directions in some cases

/egg/s for this feel?

>>528400839
use your words?

>>528400839
Starship EVO, formerly Skywanderers, aka Skywankers, aka frogdev's magnum opus.
Got mechs and can do small details for decorative internals, and even has decal painting.

>>528401926
>Got mechs
It did? Time to reinstall then.

>>528402091
As of this update:
https://steamcommunity.com/games/711980/announcements/detail/4264427597919451589
It's still mostly a sandbox, but it's getting stuff. It's still pretty far from having much gameplay, though.

>>528402690
I remember giving it a bad review because he taking his time putting in a gameplay loop and substance and the frog made a video crying about the bad reviews he was getting.

>>528398685
Jesus, reading a tooltip would have cost you less time than inventing that bullshit you wrote. You're completely wrong.

>>528368658
I think the secret is to keep your project part manufacturing separated from your normal factory.
Your factory makes resources for machines and infrastructure, you use those materials to build project part assembly lines.

>>528397491
>unlocks mods
huh?
mods are just zips of lua and should run the same on linux or wangdows

>>528400348
>whats the stacker?

It's just a waiting yard, for some reason people call them stackers in factorio.

>I think its definitely more efficient to make long ass freighters
If it's just 1 train route in a loop, then yeah for sure. Just run into trouble if you have multiple intersections in a row, they can sit and wait for a long time, or might have to tweak the no-stop zones to work better.

I have used 1-8 trains mostly

>>528404903
It's a tad more complicated for spage mods. I tried grabbing the mods from a windows and shuffling them in my legit 2.0 account but it wouldn't work. Don't ask me why, but there's more thingamabobs between systems.

C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\Entity\CraftingMachine.cpp(946): CraftingMachine::onStackSpoiled
C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\Item\ItemStack.cpp(710): ItemStack::spoil
C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\Item\Item.cpp(65): Item::spoil
C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\Item\ItemSpoilQueue.cpp(105): ItemSpoilQueue::updateBuckets
C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\Map\Map.cpp(1357): Map::updateEntities
C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\Game.cpp(175): Game::update
C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\Scenario\Scenario.cpp(1130): Scenario::updateStep
C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\MainLoop.cpp(1478): MainLoop::gameUpdateStep
C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\MainLoop.cpp(1273): MainLoop::gameUpdateLoop
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2019\BuildTools\VC\Tools\MSVC\14.29.30133\include\functional(823): std::_Func_impl_no_alloc<`MainLoop::mainLoopStep'::`2'::<lambda_1>,void>::_Do_call
C:\Users\build\AppData\Local\Temp\factorio-build-JJEimL\src\Util\WorkerThread.cpp(71): WorkerThread::loop
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2019\BuildTools\VC\Tools\MSVC\14.29.30133\include\thread(56): std::thread::_Invoke<std::tuple<void (__cdecl*)(ParallelDesyncReportCreator *),ParallelDesyncReportCreator *>,0,1>
minkernel\crts\ucrt\src\appcrt\startup\thread.cpp(97): thread_start<unsigned int (__cdecl*)(void *),1>

you need 2 of this thing to recycle it
if there is only 1 in the input in a recycler it just sits there
and if it spoils in there it crashes

>>528406724
Why does it spoil into a liquid if it's an item?

>>528406724
How unexpected, the ultracube planet slop mod doesn't even work. Go and paste that in the discussion page that's a good boy.

>>528406994
i don't have a factorio account
>>528406980
that isn't a liquid

>>528407167
>i don't have a factorio account
You should buy factorio. It's a good game and you're going to play it for more than 30 hours, which means it's worth 30 dollarublyuros.

what do i do with so much fuel gas and compost. i'm getting it from waste treatment just an absolute overload.

>>528405895
yes, the executables for 2.0 and 2.0spaceage are different
base 2.0 checks for the spaceage mods and stops if they're found, while the spaceage version loads them fine

you could probably hexedit a bit or two to load them anyway but that would take some more thinking than comparing to factorio.com/download/sha256sums/

>>528396167
Is CoI also a city builder like workers and resources and can you build organicly ie farms conforming to terrain and non amerislop towns?

>>528395207
The original British Robot Wars seasons hosted by Craig Charles were definitely not for hoodlums.
The US had its own spin-off aired on what now is Paramount Network, and yes-- that one was actual garbage for gutter trash.

>>528412858
nah
your living spaces are just big squares full of places for people to live
so are your farms
it's a factory game with deformable terrain and population mechanics, not a city builder with factory mechanics

>>528407167
>>528407469
Unironicly a game you should buy unless you are some dirt poor thirdie and has trouble paying for food.

>>528412858
More of a colony sim than a city builder. The city portion itself is pretty small. The game is mostly about balancing resources to meet the needs of that city and making sure you have enough workers.

>>528413008
Sad, I dream of a game that does both and isn't soul crushing soviet prefabs.

Time for some nice relaxing vanilla before I suffer in Py.

>>528403250
what fucking cuckold uses turbines in auto mode when you have breeder reactor

what makes Py hard?

>>528414178
the bloat

>>528414178
It hurts the eyes.

>>528414178
The tedium, the scale, the million products and byproducts and specialized machines with a single, very specific purpose
And the "build a thousand acres word of machinery before being halfway to trains, let alone robots"

>>528412414
>ou could probably hexedit a bit

I'll just stick to playing the next 1000 hours in my singleplayer py world and buy it when 2.1 hits and they add some actually good planets and space exploration gets released

>>528415223
If 2.1 is anything like 1.1 we won't be getting content, just tweaks and QOL

>always have trouble seeing shit zoomed out in factorio
>go to graphic and change saturation to 120 from 100
>suddenly I can drive a car and not hit rocks fully zoomed out due to everything being more clear
Man idk if it's my eyes or my monitor but regardless it really helped visual clarity in the game.

>>528413169
the thing is I already have it legitimately
don't feel like buying it again

>>528416857
than don't already payed your due.

>>528416181
I'm not expecting new content.

>>528414178
It's not hard, it's long

One-match warning, it's the end of groups and we'll soon see if we make it through. I'm a paranoid man so I'm not gonna talk about our chances just before the match, but we're doing good so far. We're up against some Chinese board game or something, I dunno.

Regardless of how it goes, stick around for the one afterwards if you want to see who else survives our batch
https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague

>>528413169
any other game I should buy?

>>528418474
anygame that has solid content and a competent dev. songs of syx is another game like that but I wouldn't call it /egg/.

>>528418374
Alright, here we go

>>528420051
>songs of syx
I heard of that. Will give it a look.

>>528418474
I would buy chinese space factorio (DSP). The ultra-rare competent chinese dev team
Also not /egg/, but the game I maybe enjoyed playing the most in my life is Outer Wilds (not Outer Worlds, which was a horrendous game).

>>528420763
>DSP
I tried that for like half an hour, but the shitty graphics and ai generated voices threw me off

>>528420763
>Outer Wilds
oh yeah I ultimately decided to not buy that game after the terrible pc controls and lost interest by the time it was off epic but it is a very sovlful game and I should really get around to finishing it.

>>528420763
I can't wait to see how bland Outer Worlds 2 is going to be. Especially after Obsidian's massive cope after Avowed where they stated their "100 year business model" is to make a bunch of middling games nobody really cares about

>>528421690
I can't believe they even made good games in the past with the state of them now. Betting it was a few key employees carrying the whole studio and when they left/retired they just imploded.

>>528420763
bad suggestion, comrade chang.

>>528420245
Shit that was uh... interesting after a certain point. This dumbass is suspended for the next game after that murder attempt so we'll be down one of our star players, but...
We have a next game! We're out of groups! Get back to you soon with whoever we're up against next.

>powerlines following rails
>limited access roads
VGH

>>528424352
meant based*

>>528416475
Speaking about driving a car. What do you think about the new vehicle controls? Took a bit of getting used to, but the new directional driving is so much easier for me.

>>528427339
I barely used them since I am newish. Got filtered in 19' at with my belt spaghetti, recently came back after realising I'm too old for MP matchmaking games and factorio is infact a GOAT game. But from the time spent with them recently they seem to control a hell of a lot better now and I crash less too.

>>528428304
factorio is for kids tho

what to do with fuel gas and compost aaaaaargh
compost is useless wtf and fuel gas is overshadowed by hydrogen

>>528428694
in about the same way that gigantic pendulous breasts are "you know, for kids"

>>528428842
you shoot aliens with a pistol
seems kinda childish

>>528429028
If you ever actually shoot the pistol in Factorio you have seriously fucked up

>>528424719
Also, here's this now that the group's over - /ddg/ are our second going through to survivals.
Eggman does know how to play mahjong, he just didn't feel like it today.

>>528428694
I'm not saying it's "mature" or not for kids, I'm saying *I am too old* for reaction shooters and mobas. Especially when I have rural internet and everyone else is on fiber. Also I am tired of the spergouts from manchildren and actual children, it gets really old once you've seen it for a decade.

>>528388041
>there's never really a case where you need more than two that couldn't be solved with combinators limiting signal flow
Except when you could just route a third signal through somewhere but you can't because that would fuck with your input/output readings

>>528429632
I should really try to learn the riichi mahjong rules. Tried watching Akagi and did not understand shit.

>>528430139
nothing good will ever come from learning chinky tile game rules, anon

>>528430286
it looks fun

hear me out
its a steam locomotive
but the water is heated by electricity

>>528431337
Sounds good to me.

>>528431337
>Factorio locomotives
>But instead of taking coal or other burnables they instead need to be hooked up to a pump and injected with 165 or 500 degree steam for different performance
Actually now that I think of it, trains should need a water intake to be able to burn coal or wood. It's not like it would be difficult to do that, and would further incentivize petrochemicals for fuel.

>>528427339
Not that guy but I thought everyone was already using the mod that locked the car to X directions (which is where they copied it to vanilla from), without it driving is a nightmare

>>528431717
I was mostly not using any qol mods so I could get the steam achievements. Can't wait for the new ones.

>>528431445
>>528431672
I just want to boil some water
I dunno about factorio, but having hydraulics in more game would be cool
I know steam train in CoI also takes water and is quite stronger beast than diesel

it would be really cool if we a steam train powered by nukelar reaction to heat up the water
I wonder if it does actually make any sense or if its nonsensical

what could fit in such an area?
desalinators for scale
do I just run 4 desalinators in a line for new oil processing?
do I leave it open?

>>528432395
>nuclear trains
yes... I need this in factorio.

>>528432395
the sound of the pulling is so damn good

>>528428737
compost represents overproduction of food or probably regular production of biomass, which can go into boilers as a prio fuel source. either you convert it into dirt if you need it or give a shit or you solve the production source problem

>>528431717
Honestly wish I could drive the car with left mouse, never much liked driving in games with wasd.

>>528432395
I don't see why it wouldn't
main problem would however be shielding between the reactor and crew, and potential steam piping to tenders, similar to dental xray shit

>>528432984
once you get a spidertron, you can just click wherever and it takes you there

>>528432395
>I wonder if it does actually make any sense or if its nonsensical
Trains are bit too small for that to be realistic, a nuclear subs reactor which is about as small as they can get is about the size of an entire diesel electric locomotive by itself and 10 times the weight. They do generate about 10 times the power though so you could definitely make it happen if you wanted to and a huge nuclear locomotive could definitely do the work of several normal locomotives, it would just require a custom nuclear engine to fit the form factor of a train which would at least help shield the crew somewhat by making it thin and long. The real reason it's stupid is that you could just have a full electric train and make the power in a real nuclear plant without carrying a massive reactor with you everywhere you went.

thoughts?

>>528434161
don't have any

>>528434161
If you are thinking of aesthetics that area looks better empty, if you want to put stuff there then you ought to rework it a bit or expand it towards the bottom and flip the gear.

>>528433981
I'm not sure I like the ideal of a fissile reactor train derailing or collision. I know it won't go big boom or anything but that seems like it would make that train crash a few years back look quaint from the perspective of contamination.

>>528429632
the Mega Eggatron would look like an egg

>>528434358
Well that too obviously, there's no way it would actually happen, just saying that from an engineering perspective we already have nuclear powered trains which are electric trains. The safety and nuclear proliferation concerns I just ignored but they obviously exists in the real world.

>>528433981
but... its cooler (ironic)
>>528433135
wouldn't you be able to have just a couple reactor rods directly into the boiler,
technically you just need to replace the burner, and not even have the need for draft
the operator then controls the reaction depending on the pressure build up
the tender could be fully water to replenish the boiler

>>528434273
to be fair, my new oil gets to live next to my material processing extending all the way to the nuclear plant so placing the water source for such in there wouldn't be ass even if I still haven't planned out any of it
also 6 desalinators might be severe overkill but might just run excess to farms combined with excess water from arc furnaces

>>528434643
I sure love my steam engine dumping deuterium steam into the environment at full tilt at rest

>>528435061
that's what I've found odd, why so much water just for smelting? do they need that much water now?

>>528433216
I want to drive though

>>528436204
no, probably one of the desalinators will be sufficient for the entire setup, but excess will be diverted to farms and general exports around the factory
I know I will need a significant amount for my gold/uranium processing and likely for wherever I set up my alum and titanium

>>528437483
I think the problem is that pathfinding would be annoying, and just straight A->B lined would cause so much collision the use case is quite limited
>Capcha: JJJJ2

>>528435061
fit real nice though
no idea how the return pipe will run

>>528437563
In that case just make the desalination over by where you need it. Might as well considering you're using electric boilers.

>>528437783
talking holding my cursor infront of my vehicle for movement like diablo not clicking the map like an rts.

>>528439279
not gonna fucking tear them down to rebuild them elsewhere

>>528439952
>tear down ghosts

I whish I could half turn off my mech exoskeletons so I could switch between long and short travel mode. Any mod that does that? If not, I just gave you a good idea in case you have some free time on hand :)

I could also make a new legendary mech armor with different equipment and switch between them I guess

>>528440007
corporeal ghosts my beloved

>>528440145
the best bet is tweaking your exo skeleton mode to something comfortable and running a legendary skeletron for your travel

There are some funny screenshots on steam

Shuddering at this amount of work

>>528450256
jesus christ
how much we wanna guess that is, 30? 40?
so 150 to 200 levels? christ in heaven

>>528451626
why

>>528450256
this is the only appealing thing about this game to me.

I don't like it

what if i just dump all this tar and coal gas into landfill
i'm sure they won't be important later

>>528450256
Is this a new Bass Pro Shop?

>>528454094
Yeah man it's not worth stockpiling ANYTHING in Py. Just burn/void it all. You can void gas by putting it in a tailings pond in case you didn't know

CBT bros?

>>528453427
github account? you can report issues

serb so laggy for me wtf

>>528432747
compost comes from my biomass, and also wastewater treatment as sludge turns to compost.
so what am I to do?

>>528458729
turn it into fertilizer 2 I guess

wrong SC

>>528428737
All fertilizers got buffed so organic is very good now. Hook both fertilizers directly to a pipe connection leading into the farm and both will get used.

>>528465497
>Hook both fertilizers directly to a pipe connection leading into the farm
don't do this it makes mustard gas
also pipes don't like mixing liquids and will refuse to let your good fertilizer in until every last drop of organic fertilizer has been slurped up by the farms
so with any moderately long pipeline (basically a given due to farm size) when the organic fertilizer finally runs out you'll be left in a situation where there's a long ass empty pipeline between your farms and your storage tanks that'll take a couple dozen days for your fertilizer to cover and get through while your farms starve, and then again when you have to switch back to organic
t. had to learn this the hard way

I guess you could have a pipelines per fertilizer type and have them meet right at the input port, but I'd rather just upgrade all my organic fertilizer right away instead

Space Exploration 2.0 when

I get the feeling it's going to happen before Nullius 2.0

>>528473360
nowadays you can feed organics into T1s a shown in >>528463534 so it's not nearly as bad do run biofertilizer as a starting point

>>528475005
it's in closed beta right now, so probably open beta (or at least downloadable from the disc*rd or something) sooner rather than later

>>528475005
is nullius 2.0 a thing? i figured the mod was done more or less
unless you just mean compatibility with factorio 2.0

fucking hate when this happens

So Gleba is pretty much a non issue if you use splitters filters on the end of belts right?

>>528482220
>she
>>528483245
it's also that you want your belts constantly moving, and belt throughput can become an issue

>>528430401

>>528484264
you must have the dry periods before the rains

>>528484264
about 10 minutes in GIMP, inspired by our current egg serb

does the serb keep running if no one is on?

>>528483245
>Have a waste line
>Understand that moving 1 fruit with 1h spoil timer is better than moving 4 jelly with 4m spoil timer
>If you're using stack inserters then change stack size to 1 to purge spoilables

I love factorio mods but hunting down which one is fucking up the game is a pain in the ass. I've been using Raiguard's editor extension and it was causing me to lose almost 40fps when I had bots deconstruct a few thousand objects. Maybe bots in the editor world were somehow trying to deconstruct things on the actual planet.

>>528498623
yes, but it's paused
i could turn auto-pause off if you guys want

>>528502531
no I think auto-pause is good

>>528502190
That's a 2.0 issue. Never had that in 1.1 EE.

CoI question, should I be saving heavy oil for ships, or am I better off burning it for steam and feeding ships diesel as is default?

here's a thing
You need coal gas indefinitely
There is no way to make coal gas outside of coalbed gas, which requires drill heads
coal is (literally) infinite

Therefore, the coarse coal line is completely useless as a whole compared to turning more raw coal into coal in a 3 to 1 ratio.

I want to help on the Py serb but I don't want to break anything since it's so complex. When are Anons on it usually?

>>528505143
Just go for it
I built a decent amount, had no idea how the rest worked
Logged in the next day and none of what I built had been untouched, but you could still see the skeleton of what I'd done
And then I just went and improved an aspect myself, still oblivious to what the majority of the factory did or how it worked

There's only two things you can really do bad, and that's interrupting working lines and polluting them
If something works, let it keep working. If you want to improve it, plan your improvement and then make the switch only once it's ready. If you turn off something for twenty minutes while you work on it everything downstream gets fucked.
For polluting I mean fucking up belts, not the stuff in the air. If you aren't making a belt line yourself, don't fucking touch it until you know what's on BOTH sides. If you see a belt with something only on one side, and you take it upon yourself to increase production so that the other side carries that thing too, you may clog and ruin the factory downline that was actually expecting an infrequent delivery of some other material on the other side of the belt. Basically just make sure you trace the entire belt line and understand what goes on and what comes off on each side before adding to it. I couldn't tell you the amount of times I've seen like five ash or iron ore or some other dumb shit cause half the map to grind to a standstill.

>>528507749
alright thanks, gonna go try to make blast furnace smelting area. Do you know what resource we need? There are just so many that it is hard to keep track of what we need on the serb.

my brain is all py

>>528512492
are you playing the serb?

>>528513245
no

after i get coal power is it safe to move to the desert
or is that a bad idea because of all of the collectable junk everywhere

>>528512492
My brain is all meat py.

>>528476880
I was referring to compatibility with 2.0, but there is supposedly a version planned that won't rely on Angelboobs and will have going to other planets

>>528385598
>>528385715
>>528386520
If I expect one circuit to hold several signals I'll put it on green so that the red signals are visible above it.

>>528387686
What I really desire is when a machine is set to read contents that I could choose which channel it sends to.
If my machine is set to read the ingredients I don't want it getting mixed with the current contents inside or being forced to build a dummy assembler next to it just for reading the ingredients.

>>528505143
Like the other guy said just hop in and do stuff. But if you want advice a safe thing to do is to increase production of something that is being made and doesn't have a full line of it already. Like doubling another working thing is rarely a bad idea, especially if the ingredient is backed up but the output isn't in which case you can just hook the new build to the old feeds quite safely.

>>528508801
Couple good ideas is to either work towards the next milestone, work on which ever science is lowest when science is running or just pick a random belt that is either empty or almost empty and follow that backwards and make more of what ever is on that belt.

how do I join the serb without getting hacked?

>>528386520
red hotkey is easier

>>528526473
Hack them first.

>>528526473
Press multiplayer and join with the IP. If instead of Factorio your game says Faktorio or something of that nature don't join you have been hacked.

>>528526473
>worried about getting hacked
>posts on 4chan
your ip is being traced right now

>>528526473
You won't get hacked, but they will log and track your IP to make a profile of you. They will attempt to use your online history against you if you happened to be a government worker or have access to insider corporate documents. If you are a literal nobody, you have nothing to worry about, but wear a digital condom.

>>528505143
I’m UTC-4, so I’d be on evenings at that time zone, and probably later than I should be too if the past 2 days were any indicator.

>>528508801
We ultimately need every resource, although keep in mind that measuring resources in per minute is much more common in py due to absurd input requirements or crafting times, so don’t try to get a full belt of duralumin or something. I think we were doing 6 SPM when I left last night/this morning, as an example, and as you’ll see if you join, the base is decently large.

I'm already scratching at 90MW peak electricity usage. I think it was a good call to go with coal for now, but I'm really not sure if I should double up by adding another 60MW or start on nuclear.

I love the way sulfur looks when you burn it
must be so good for your lungs

it's crazy how burning excess sulfur pollutes than simply dumping unprocessed sour water/not scrubbing exhaust

has first mars logistic improved its highway building mechanics yet? I woke up with the ich for playing it again

>>528507749
When i tried to explain to l this to a friend in my own words i got called a fun hater

>>528527731
That's awful, you're awful /egg/.

>>528527731
not worth the risk then
maybe I'll become a somebody someday

i wonder if any of you play other egs or if you only play the factorioesque ones

>>528532007
I don't really care about building vehicles
The puzzle ones are fun sometimes
The other logistic games are not as good as Factorio I feel like

>>528532007
what do you consider other /egg/s.
Zachtronics games are always popular here but they don't have the replayability that something like factorio has, so they drive less thread talk

>>528531683
Cmon, don't let a couple rotten /egg/s ruin your chance at fun

>>528527731
this, ever since I've joined the server I haven't been cumming as good
I think they're sneaking into my house at night, jacking me off, then stealing it, probably to make a little hommonculi version of me to do voodoo magic with, or a genderbent version of me, which would be, objectively, extremely hot

>>528532242
zach mentioned, posting my airship fuel

>>528532007
yes, but I can't post them here

>>528533117
That is not an egg.

>>528533858
elaborate

>>528533117
I liked GT:NH but I had a vibe similar to satisfactory to it, where after a certain point (I really felt it past LuV) I feel like I'm doing busy work like rewiring and such instead of the fun stuff.

>>528533858
modded minecraft (at least a lot of the modpacks are, and they are the direct inspiration for factorio) is unquesitonably an /egg/, just it's able to sustain its own thread so it stays there.

>>528533943
Smegtech new suckrhyzomes is not in any part of it, an egg, will never be an egg and is, in fact, just a way to glorify jerking off the developer team by turning your computer into a space heater for people who think satisfactory is a good game and factorio is too complicated.

If I see you post that shit in the minecraft general I will personally laugh you out of the room.

isn't that a bit much

>>528533858
Honary /egg/.

>>528534252
See >>528534285
Stop being a spaz and take your meds.

You don't need the space elevator stuff that fast, I would do one assembler's worth of the end product (at least at the start).

>>528534462
I respect the man who wastes 1000 hours on py literally breeding animals to drown them in shit than one tgat spends 1000 of them stacking donuts in a void world like a retard

nigga~

>>528534590
meant to reply to >>528534279

I'd actually buy minecraft were it not owned by m*crosoft

imagine being angry at videogames

>>528535413
Having bought it straight from the mojang site back when it was still just creative mode, I'm not sure I'm even legally capable of playing it anymore...

>>528536148
The license back then stated it was irrevocable and for all future versions of minecraft. You are legally entitled to "pirating" it if you bought it during that time. The pollymc (two L) launcher makes it really easy.

>>528533990
LuV to early UV is basically uphatching multis, with the only new ones you introduce being bacvats, fusion, and beamline
Well, last update added new water purification processes that are puzzles meant to make these voltages a lil more complicated

>>528534713
Overworld gang nigga

>>528536148
Probably not. Microsoft stole minecraft from literally MILLIONS of people, I would classify it as one of the biggest heists in the history. They nearly stole mine, I lost my nicname

>>528535512
How can you NOT be angry at videogames, early vidya were literally all about you getting frustrated enough to spend another coin trying to win.

>>528533117
what pack? i got up to hv in nomi and got distracted by something else

stay in one thread blockfuckers

I don't understand how something as trivial as automating plasmids is making me hard but I fear for my sanity and my sexual life.

>>528538801
Yeah, fuckers took my mojang account someone gifted me in highschool because I couldn't verify the email. Had that for 12 years.

>>528539495
Most of the /svgg/ catalog is block games.

>>528539427
GTNH, THE gregtech pack

This fluid bus is a fucking disgrace. How do you even build one? Do you always make sure that all the pipes are at the same length? I've never tried it before.
What happens when you need to extract something from it? I can't even drive through this without having to steer through.

>>528540581
With a tank, you can!

>>528540813
**crawdad

>>528540581
What? Of course you can drive through it. Your robots replace it as it explodes.
No issue whatsoever

>>528540581
First of all trying to buss anything in PY is a bad idea, busses get worse the wider they are and they get really fucking wide in PY. There's just so many fluids and frankly you don't need most of them in many places, better to just take them where they are needed.
Second yes that's incredibly cringe, just equalize the spaces. Pick an arbitrary point as your standard and then just put a double pipe on that spot regardless if the pipe could have extended bit further and then redo the pipes from that point. To take away from it you just stop 1 space before the wall of pipes that forms and then add another pipe just like normal. The bonus is that you can drive trough that configuration and run belts and stuff there too.

>>528540982
crawdad...

>>528541043
in py you unlock bots after 2000 hours

>>528541202
also if you use bots you didn't beat the mod

>>528541053
>First of all trying to buss anything in PY is a bad idea
Every single py base I have ever seen, and I mean every single one, had fluid + belt buses.
I am ignoring a belt bus for the time being and focusing on fluid buses because they're tremendously powerful and useful. I am producing glass in 3 places because I'm using 3 belts of quartz at the moment just to make the beakers for science and the petri dishes for plasmids and substrate. That and I'm balancing all fluid outputs one way or another and dumping a couple other ones but everything really needs to be connected.

>>528541143
Like it? That's my megazord acetylene build. It's a thing of beauty. Even with researching red hot coke, it still shits out 120 hot gas/second and consumes all the coke to make a power fluid with almost no expenses.

I guess it could be an iron giant but it has a very 80s japanese feel to it.

>>528541202
I could make bots by now, I even have a roboport. I just haven't bothered yet because companions are cheap as shit and bots will only be good for logistics.

>>528540581
You know what, i was trying to untangle this in a different save, then blueprint and paste ir over but it actually looks like it might actually be a perfect use of picker dollies

>smallest ore patch size
>lowest ore patch frequency
>highest ore patch richness
yup, it's factorio time

>ill just check on the server
>hmm I guess ill fix this and then go to sleep
>hmm actually I need that for this first
>where the hell is the item I need for that
>it's all the way over there, where are the floor tiles
>I can't see where are the lamps
Now that the lamps are automated I can finally get to what I was actually supposed to do... which I can't remember. Oh well that was productive.

>rebuild main base
>set up proper supply lines for ores and smelting for them
>burnout
what now?
i kinda dont even know what to do, just laying, putting off shit i should do, like setting up a ship to fulgora

>>528544404
anon just reinvented railworld but with biters.

>>528545038
i've just been handcrafting lamps since i didn't want to give a shit about moving glass over to the other metals, thanks for getting them up

>>528545364
railworld doesn't put it all on the extremes, stops 1-2 notches away from them
but yeah biters expansion off just like railworld

>>528545450
I use a darker night mod so I'm pretty sensitive about having lamps fucking everywhere because the screen is just black without them

>>528545364
>>528545518
Railworld also doesn't affect richness and instead makes the patch sizes bigger, small patch sizes means each spot is going to need the miners super dense. Beacons would become an absolute necessity I think.

>>528545226
take a break, even if it takes a few months to get into the mood again
maybe that'll be after the casino nerf so you won't be tempted to build upcycling ships

>>528545958
really it just further incentives trains because you need more patches to meet the same throughput, but those patches are basically permanent so it makes each outpost worth investing heavily in. But having so many different outposts that output slowly and are all so far apart means you need a robust on-demand ore shipment train system.

>>528546232
even default patches are permanent if you research productivity regularly

Added geothermals for baseload for the serb, they make a good chunk of power for a while.
tfw forgot they need water too and we spawned on the desert

>>528534279
Use alt recipes to simplify it. In my factory I'm pretty sure I eliminated screws entirely.

>>528550515
they do? i thought that shit printed geothermal water out of the ground
another thousand mile pipeline has hit the serb

>>528551272
You need to feed the machine with pressurized water which I forgot. The steam afterwards is water free but it needs it as an input. And yes a thousand miles of pipe was laid out.

>>528546232
That's a good point, it also incentives setting up circuits on your stations so your trains aren't always trying to go to the closest stations to pickup.

I'd like to get a world-gen that's more islandly around resources but that'd kind of reduce biters to almost nothing and already seems like Aquilo-lite when I think about it.
Wish we could've gotten a flying enemy of some kind in the game.

>>528553023
>it also incentives setting up circuits on your stations
just have more trains

>>528553023
When I set up an iridite planet in Spex I just had like 10 trains and 6 patches. The output of those patches is comically slow but so is the amount that each train can fit.

Basically trains would go out and sit at the outposts, once full they'd route to the waiting bay and then once emptied they'd sit in the waiting bay waiting for an outpost's output to have an open train limit again. This basically ensured that throughput from the miners was never wasted.

Having a waiting bay with a bypass directly to the processing plant did lead me to commit a crime against 1.0 rail construction however...

Got my aquilo online, 300SPM.
I still want a 2nd aquilo-capable ship to have it fully automated, but this will be enough to get all the researches I need to build out fully.

>>528534279
site?

>Stronger explosives 11 leaves large asteroids at 92/2000 hp
pain
Dang, that's -32k to get it up to 12. Worth it though.

And i thought i knew my water
Any idea why this doesn't work? Pressure is abysmal

No stationeers today
it's ~100F outside and AC is kaput

>place some stone brick as flooring by accident
>hold right mouse button while still having the brick in hand
>can just pick it back up
...how long has this been a thing

>>528562551
0.12.

>Noticed Besiege has an experimental branch (after, you know, 670 hours)
>Wondering what 'quality of life' changes they mean in a Discord announcement
>Oh shit is that what I think it is
They did it! They did the thing! You can load a saved contraption on top of whatever you're currently doing now, you used to need a mod for that

>>528532007
I've played a ton of FtD and Stormworks, but I just don't have the time anymore. Neither game allows you to really have short intermittent sessions.

>>528556545
Looks like factorio lab

>>528571797
sankyu

>>528562317
Get some pollutant and build a new one then

>>528526473
you can use a proxy/VPN if you're afraid i'll deliver pizza to the nearest big city around you
but going through a VPN implies you have something to hide and might make you a juicier target

of course IP geolocation and pizza delivery goes both ways

now i just need to wait like an hour

>>528550541
i haven't found that many harddrives yet
i have like 15 rods and 13 screws machines
fucking hate it

>>528575973
Eventually you can make just about everything out of steel which simplifies it. Get the scanner upgrade that lets you find hard drives. Might not wanna bother until you get the jetpack though. Jetpack+parachute is stupidly strong.

>>528505143
times in UTC, 1 online as of writing

libreoffice sucks donkey cock for making graphs holy shit

>>528578948
It's a RAM hog and takes literally 20 seconds to start up on my PC, I'd drop it in a heartbeat if there was an alternative that isn't MS or browser-based like Google Docs.

Unrelated question, does anyone know of an alternative program suite to LibreOffice that isn't MS or browser-based like Google Docs? Mainly for spreadheets, really, I don't use the other programs as much.

>>528578948
all me

>>528579768
Freetards seem to be big on Onlyoffice lately. I guess people like it because it kind of works better (like it probably would make that graph better) but I haven't tried it cause it gives me the ick. It's gpl, but it's made by russians and is an electron app and is a for profit project (they make money hosting servers so you can use it in your browser like google docs)

>>528583723
>Youtube captions require formatting your script as a .txt without any line breaks
>OpenOffice's Find and Replace function is not capable of removing or replacing line breaks

When did plain text manipulation become fucking rocket science?

>>528584617
Why the fuck would you use an office suite for plaintext manipulation? Are you retarded?

>>528584743
What else am I gonna use, notepad? it's replace function can't do that either.

>>528584617
openoffice has been dead for like 15 years bro

>>528584847
xed, kate, notepad++, vscode, etc, etc. There are a million text editors. Using a document layout program for text editing is fucking deranged.

>>528584847
it can actually

>>528586637
>copy-pasting the line break rather than pressing enter
okay, no avoiding it at this point, I'm retarded.

>>528584847
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/List_of_recommended_Windows_software#Text_editors

boy do I hate making really long belts
give me trains

>>528593470
trains is hard job

I wanna play Nullius without worrying about hydrogen flow rates already

>finally got fusion power
thank you god, jesus, and the academy

>>528593470
i feel you. i love satisfactory's trains so much

>>528597373
bigger pipes
bigger
or just set up electrolysis in more places maybe idk it's been too long

i swear to god the most reliably annoying thing in this py run so far has been piping water

>>528578948
so what hours is that?

>>528612610
>times in UTC

>>528612610
The hours of the Ox.

You get an engineering game set in any other game's universe, which do you pick?

>>528612964
it's all 12:00 and 00:00
>inb4 get a ruler and interpolate the time

>>528613241
If you get a ruler you measure the time

>>528554495
that's a very neat-looking factory anon; I'm impressed

Time is a ruler it goes only one way watch it go round like a merry go round

>>528613241
get an interpolater and rule the time

>>528613101
Magicka
Fallen London (Cultist Sim, Sunless Sea, Book of Hours, etc.)
Borderlands, with heavy emphasis on custom gear production and usage Torgue, my beloved
Total Annihilation/SupCom we don't talk about the Planetary-thing
Command and Conquer, Tiberium and Generals series
Corruption of Champions

>>528613101
Are there any /egg/ Skyrim mods?

>>528616617
Magicka is one of the very few genuinely hilarious games
>loading screen tip: did you know tips are displayed during the loading screen
>the bit with the 4 wizards talking about saving the world as if it's a holiday
>having a vietnam DLC because everyone else was doing it
>vlad not being a vampire

>>528613101
WH40K, hive city management, manufacturing and corpsestarch production.

Alternatively an universe where holocaust did happen, so I could play Auschwitz Tycoon.

>>528579768
>>528583723
I run my system language and every software I use in english because fuck machine translation everything, it's always shit. I have to keep my keyboard layout in my actual language for obvious reasons, and like to keep date locale native because fuck anglo date retardation.

There is nothing I despise most than the way this clear and absolute divide between freetard and all other software making itself apparent in how they choose one language or another on first install. Good software will correctly deduce from my system language that I want english. Freetard shit nearly always and without fail misconstrues my date locale or keyboard layout a "language" sometimes forcing me through some one-time tutorial, splash or intro before I finally get the chance to go in and change language back to english. (And this isn't just an "oh, Windows does things differently and that confuses devs!" kinda deal, I've had the misfortune of spending a year or two time bouncing between distros trying to keep an old laptop alive and the freetard "ecosystem" had the same issue in it's native environment too)

LibreOffice takes this one step further, no matter how I may try to change not just language but also locale details, it keeps reading my commas as decimals, my dots as thousands, my slashes as dates instead of fractions. It's infuriating.

I'll have to give onlyoffice a try later today, at this point I would readily take for-profit icks over the usual freetard retardation if it means a single lick professionalism and knowing what the fuck they're doing

>>528583723
>>528617072
Is onlyoffice the japanese christmas cake site? I may have to give it a try myself too

>>528616678
It would be easier to turn Medieval Engineers into Skyrim.

>>528617049
>holocauster tycoon
i'd play that

>>528616716
I remember being so hyped for Magicka 2, and then it came out.
>>528616678
Just imagining the shitshow that is Gamebryo/Creation trying to run even a basic factory setup fills me with fear.
I tried to do some logistics in FO4 and it ran my PC hotter than modern AAAslop.
>>528613101
a Treasure Planet /egg/ could be cool, if only for the visuals and cool ways they'd be able to do large-scale logistics. Like Dyson Sphere Program but infinitely better.

>>528613101
This might confuse you for a second, but Besiege (in a magical world where computers could run this idea at scale)
>Everything has its breaking point
>You can technically run conveyors over other structures but be careful how many steel plates they're carrying
>Everything can and WILL catch fire if you give it the opportunity
>Enemy camps and patrols need to be dealt with or they'll come over and start smacking your bomb makers with swords
>'Floppy' physics mean you need to design your input/output ports with... generous margins if you haven't made them sturdy enough

>>528613101
Oh, uh
The Culture series, playing a Culture mind or so.

>>528613101
stalker
>>>/wsg/5907328

>>528613101
Something magical, Noita perhaps.
Or bioclang, with meat, eyeballs, xenomorphs, black blood.
Something where I design my own machines, like spacechem with more strategy.
Zachtronics horror. Deep in a cold war bunker with legacy code that changes when you're not looking.
Satisfactory.
Really anything without iron plates. I'm so tired of iron plates.

>>528625379
>full blown powder physics based /egg/ in Noita magitech flavor
making spaghetti that will anger the gods

It has been 3 years and I'm STILL stuck on the same part of Infinifactory

>>528625494
The familiar moment of a distant explosion followed by "YOU HAVE ANGERED THE GODS" will now inflict both the Noita flavour of fear and factory game flavour of fear at the same time

>>528613101
necromancer engineering
>raise a skelly and tell him "keep your hand raised unless the skeleton to your right AND left have their hands raised
>design and build sweet flesh horrors

>>528629962
>Deep Rot: The Game
Sounds cool.

>>528613101
Imagine if at the "boots on the ground" level each starport in Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen or EVE was a factory managed by an automation game.

Now imagine if that didn't just end up in the exact same pre-fab blueprint being applied 10,000 times because someone came up with the perfectly optimal layout and the specifications leaked online.

when's nullius 2.0 come on

I'm sick and tired of thinking about factorio's spaceage and how underwhelming it ended up being, what other /egg/s allow me to go to space while making it feel meaningful and well-deserved? Bear in mind KSP RP-1 was my favorite modpack of all time, my autism is vast and powerful.

>>528639979
What did you think of Space Exploration?

>>528640669
Sunk 300-ish hours into it, enjoyed it a lot, regret not beating it but I simply got bored tbqh senpai.

>>528629962

>>528639979
spaceage was cool

I just picked Stationeers back up last month since the last time I played was in 2020 and it seems to be...more of the same? There are definitely improvements but I still don't know what I'm trying to do other than experimenting and shit. I've got a full setup on Europa with a completely enclosed base, I don't even wear my helmet anymore unless I need to do external repairs or trading and that's only because I haven't finished my hangar yet.

>ONI
>They made bionic duplicants able to use tables, effectively nullifying their challenge

>>528644035
I expected Bad Apple to play

>>528644035
I was really expected a giant dickbutt

>>528616617
>Fallen London (Cultist Sim, Sunless Sea, Book of Hours, etc.)
i'd just like to interrupt you for moment

>>528644236
Usually building shit like automated greenhouses, phase change ACs, rockets, automated crafting/furnace setups

>Friend told me Factorio is pretty chill while Satisfactory requires a lot of brainpower
I don't even know how to respond.

>>528644035
>google three body problem china brain because I assumed this was some funky VR demo thing from the show
>AI says shit's unrelated
>somehow find a short about it
>google human three body problem human abacus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFgRNY6fpOc

Mechanicus bros... not like this.

>>528561305
Is it because it bends down and up and down right after the station?

>>528622102
>>528616716
My fellow wizards of culture.
"Engineer" kinda sounds like an interesting gameplay-changing robe btw.
Instead of simple casting you deploy AoE emitters, (static) turrets, and drones.
Coupled with the series' trademark "DIY magic" approach, this is already only a couple steps away from the /egg/ territory.
Especially if you make player a magitech engineer or something, and make deployables-based casting the default.
Imo this would work best as a Zach-like puzzle game where you fix production lines by quick and dirty nigger-rigging.
Could even place it after/during the sequel, with player fixing things after some crazy wizard blew holes in your factory.
>I remember being so hyped for Magicka 2, and then it came out.
I feel your pain anon.

>>528651784
In terms of second-to-second gameplay the way that power works in Satisfactory and the fact that you're in first person and having to sprint around everywhere makes it what I can easily describe as "frantic".

Meanwhile Factorio is so similar in basic function to a late 90's RTS that you can more or less grasp the concept of just placing a building intuitively and the lack of a breaker switch means that electrical failure is a much more gentle teacher that doesn't make a loud angry noise at you for getting it wrong.

>>528651784
He's just saying an obvious and demonstrable fact.

>>528644035
They don't need full armor for this, they don't need to be in such weird patters, sticks with some cardboard don't make that noise, there's no communication between blocks and there's no communication with the soldier in front of you

>>528652049
AI results are not the will of the blessed machine spirit, add them to your script filter

>>528653696
the show is pretty dogshit. in the book they explain that the soldiers are grouped into triplets with two inputs and an output that can be used to simulate any logic gate. the "program" runs for 16 months in order to produce a result (this whole scenario takes place inside a VR game so they just do a time skip).

>>528651784
I'd argue that basic factory is easier than satisfactory because of the amount of quality of life packed into the game. I can set up my trains to work automatically just by pasting down a new station and knowing that it will be serviced without me having to anything at all. Satisfactory has a million recipes with some of them being completely redundant like the entirety of nuclear. Instead of brainpower I'd say you need more willpower to get through the tedium of satisfactory.

I know I had to dig deep to keep going once I realized I had to remake Every.Single.One. of my blueprints when moving from tier 1 to tier 2 to tier3. Even if it was as simple as just pasting your old blueprint in the new box it's so fucking tedious if you had made quite a few like I did.

>>528651784
I'd argue that basic factorio* is easier than satisfactory because of the amount of quality of life packed into the game over the course of a decade. I can set up my trains to work automatically just by pasting down a new station and knowing that it will be serviced without me having to anything at all. Can't do that in Satisfactory.
Satisfactory has a million recipes with some of them being completely redundant like the entirety of nuclear. Instead of brainpower I'd say you need more willpower to get through the tedium of satisfactory.

I know I had to dig deep to keep going once I realized I had to remake Every.Single.One. of my blueprints when moving from tier 1 to tier 2 to tier3. Even if it was as simple as just pasting your old blueprint in the new box it's so fucking tedious if you had made quite a few like I did.

no i dont think 'm doing that

do you think SE will ever get to 1.0?

>>528658826
Nearly certain barring some random act of God (Secret furry ERP logs getting leaked or something)

>>528575973
That's par for the course with Satisfactory.
Find the proper alt recipes fast and early, or the game shafts then screws you but thoroughly.

>>528662595
it is hard to see at a glance which ones are good
most of them seem like garbage or minor use cases
but then some are really good like I just got a circuit board from silica instead of plastic (I haven't even set up oil yet and I have 2 quartz nodes one making silica and the other crystals) that filled up containers already
even the same recipe class differs wildly
like i found pure cat which is like 3 ore/12 minute => 2 ore 2 water 14/minute who the fuck cares
but pure iron is 1 ore -> 1 ingot 30/min => 7 ore 4 water => 13 ingot 65/minute
which is like double the throughput and output for the same cost
and you need a lot of fucking iron for everything

>>528663537
Here's a tip. If you get a hard drive with shit choices just don't pick any of them at all and leave it there. Next hard drive won't have those rolls as an option.

>>528655259
The biggest problem with Satisfactory is that there's a bunch of obtuse game mechanics that the game never bothers properly explaining to you, and that's there a shit-ton of things you're 'just supposed to know about them.'
Like how fluid headlift works in the game, and how fluid priority works.

Coupled with the fact that there's a lot of game mechanics that have been busted and broken since the very beginning, and never fixed, because a large part of the community simply accepts them as such - having found their own workarounds. I.e. as long as you know 'the secret handshake' it works fine.

Examples of these are placing pumps over pipes, and needing to then disassemble and reconnect the two pipe ends to the pump to actually get it to consistently connect correctly and prevent jitter. Placing a pump over the pipes makes it seemingly work, but in actuality it doesn't work properly. The pipes are cut in two but are actually still touching. which causes the game engine to oscillate between moving fluid directly between the pipes, without adding headlift, and moving fluid properly through the pump. Which in effect means you're roughly halving fluid throughput, which is not signaled in any way, shape or form by the game. Shit simply doesn't work - while the math says it should. You have to disassemble the two pipes sticking into the pump, and then build new pipes that connect to either actual end of the pump. That way they ONLY connect to the pump and not to each other, and THAT makes the pump work consistently.

Believe it or not; the general Satisfactory veteran finds that acceptable.
It's like fucking battered wife syndrome.

>>528663682
i'm kinda sorta doing that
if i'm not sure if a recipe is good I might take it
but so far copper is like 1/20th as in demand as iron
so I do not see either of these options ever being good and I just left them
i should probably reroll the other options but I haven't really started oil yet so I don't know if they make sense

>>528663537
>like i found pure cat which is like 3 ore/12 minute => 2 ore 2 water 14/minute who the fuck cares
'Pure' recipes for most ores are actually considered really, really, GOOD. They matter once you start scaling up and want to eek more resources out of a single node, because some resources - like caterium; for instance - are rather limited on the map.

> but pure iron is 1 ore -> 1 ingot 30/min => 7 ore 4 water => 13 ingot 65/minute
And ironically iron ore, and its abundance on the map, means pure iron is usually considered BAD. The trade-off of using less iron is not worth it, because the recipe has to be done in a refinery, and a single refinery both takes more space than two smelters and takes over 3 times more power than two smelters.

>>528664119
Another way to look at it is convenience. Like if you're making something far away that needs wire but all you have close by is iron. In that situation iron wire simplifies your build since you only need to worry about the iron process instead of copper too.

Also once you get oil there's a big loop you can do using recycled rubber/plastic to get far more out of oil but it's a pain to set up.

>>528663682
Or you can save, reroll, and reload

So what's the cheapest form of energy in COI in terms of workers/MW? Did anyone do some calculations? Nuclear would be very interesting to know, both early nuclear as well as the end game FBR.
Corn -> fuel gas boilers was what I looked at first, here's what's needed to run one boiler, no edicts
>40 workers in two greenhouse II
>20 workers in five anerobic digesters
>~8 workers on average for producing 14 of the good fertilizer per month, includes all ingredients for the fertilizer
>6 workers in boiler + turbines (lp steam needed for water desalination)
>8 workers in two thermal desalinators
>2 workers for seawater pumps
84 workers for 10MW, not including maintenance. It scales well with edicts, so for 6 unity (farm boost + water saver maxed) you're saving 35% of workers on the greenhouses and fertilizer, making it ~7 workers per MW, and giving you benefits for food production, meaning each worker is cheaper in terms of food.

Compare that to coal from the world mine (easier to calculate than contracts)
>~15 workers and 0.25 unity for 30 coal
>some percentage of the dock workers, 68 workers for a functioning dock, at slow trips the ship can do about 650 coal per month, so 3 workers on average for 30 coal/m if you max that out (almost 22 boilers), but lets assume we're crazy like that
>2 diesel/m for ship fuel, or about 500kW worth
>9 workers in boiler + turbines + exhaust scrubber (limestone recipe)
>5 workers for desalinator + seapump (using scrubber steam)
That's 32 workers / 14.5MW, but only at full scale due to the ship crew. More realistically, at 10 coal boilers running, it would be 2.5 workers / MW (35 workers / 14MW) and 2.5 unity in total for 140MW. Maintenance requirements are very similar to the corn gas per MW.

I might do some calculations on oil next, it's very interesting due to the gold -> oil -> diesel -> gold trade loop. But I have a feeling that it requires even more workers than the fuel gas if going for that route.

>>528664119
>so I do not see either of these options ever being good and I just left them
Iron wire is ridiculously good in combination with other alt recipes.

Notably, if you combine it with Stitched Iron Plate you can make reinforced iron plates out of ONLY iron, while bypassing screws more efficiently than with the Cast Screws recipe. Cast Screws is nice to bypass the intermediate iron rods step, cutting down on the number of machines needed - but ultimately has the same consumption->production ratio as the default screws recipe.
Meanwhile, the default ratio for reinforced plates is 60/min iron ingots for 5/min reinforced plates.
Whereas with Stitched Iron Plate and Iron Wire recipes, it is downclocked for 5/min reinforced plates, taking only ~43.5 iron ingots AND less machines.


You can also use it together with the Steel Rotors and Iron Pipe recipes to make rotors from straight-up only iron, same as the default recipe, at 5/min rotors for 56.66/min iron ingots. The default recipe for rotors is iron-only as well, at 4/min rotors for 40/min iron ingots, which makes the alternate line ALMOST as efficient - except the alternate uses a LOT less machines and thus a lot less power - and grid power is the real limiting factor in Satisfactory. (Well; until you get nuclear anyway.)

>>528666232
jesus christ corn to fuel gas
why wouldn't you just wood at that point

>>528665238
Ultimately that screws you because then the bad options re-enter the pool to haunt you on your next pulls, and you have to save-scum them all over again. It's better to gather up a bunch of hard drives every tech tier, unlock a few, and leave them there - reducing what's in the pool and improving your odds of getting the better recipes.

You should only really re-roll, if you're limited in the number of drives left to you that you can easily access without e.g. having unlocked a jetpack and some proper fuel for it.

Also- a clever thing: the pool grows with unlocking tech. So there's a few recipes like Iron Wire and Stitched Iron Plate that are dramatically, DRA-MA-TI-CALLY easier to get if you go hard drive hunting early, before unlocking ANYTHING of note in the Hub's tech tiers.

That's also how you can get one of the two inventory slot upgrades hidden in the alt recipes a lot easier. Normally you have a stupid small fractional chance of pulling it. But if you manage to collect 3~4 hard drives before unlocking any tech, you can exhaust the pool and FORCE IT to float to the top.
(There's another one which enters the pool at iirc tech tier 5 or 6. And you can run the same trick again at that point.)

>>528666952
I'm not saying I'm going to do it, I'm saying it's interesting to compare. Wood would be worth calculating as well I think.

>>528666232
>So what's the cheapest form of energy in COI in terms of workers/MW?
Probably the sulfur-to-sludge contract followed by anaerobic digestion into fuel gas, and then running a gas boiler.

Sulfur becomes a free waste product from sour water stripping, which also can be your source of ammonia. And there's a contract for slag to sour water. Slag is a free waste product of all your smelting - and sulfur is additionally also a waste product of smelting via exhaust filtering.
It adds up.

Yes- your best option is to run your island off of the methane of your own shit.
Brown gold.

>>528665204
>Also once you get oil there's a big loop you can do using recycled rubber/plastic to get far more out of oil but it's a pain to set up.
It's not really THAT bad. The real killer is also involving diluted fuel.

Bought Oni back in Alpha dropped it because I disliked the aesthetoc they went with for the Dupes. Noticed there is now a mod to edit the dupes now and a sale so I bought the dlc and will be essentially new having played very little. What am I in for?

>>528666232

Rough calculation on a single FBR:

240 MW
200 workers for reactor
~70+ for refining, auxiliary plant stuff
~75 for world mine

About 1.4 workers per MW. I'm surprised it's not better. Guess the tradeoff is power density - I'm sure nuclear is by far the most power dense.

Wonder how corn power density compares to, say, solar?

>>528666952
Is jesus christ corn more energy dense than regular corn?

>>528668041
I seriously doubt that. It's a nice early-mid game stop gap solution, but it seems neither scalable nor efficient per worker.
With the sludge trade it's 4 sulfur / 3 fuel gas, so 96 sulfur / m for a full boiler. Trading it one to one for coal would give you more than 3 boilers worth of coal for the same amount of sulfur and you're not wasting 36 workers on the digesters. Also you don't have to dispose of the compost.
But even that I'd only consider as a waste trade to get rid of excess sulfur, not a primary energy source. Maybe it could be worth it with the infinite sulfur mine, but seems like a lot of overhead to keep 2 additional ships running per sulfur mine ship to trade it all for coal.

good satisfactory foundation colors?

>>528652049
>>528644035
This whole concept is fucking retarded. If you could make a computer algorithm for calculating the orbits, then you could just do it by hand. Pen and paper is turing complete. Probably you could do it a lot more efficiently too since you wouldn't have to work in binary.

The advantage to computers in real life are
1. computations are done automatically so less man hours spent
2. computers can do stuff way faster than we can by hand

They obviously fail on 1, but even for 2, this human computer would be ungodly slow. In the video they show all the signs moving all at once, but you would have to give time for signals to propagate through the system. It would probably take minutes for one cycle. Adding two numbers together would probably take an hour. Calculating orbits would probably takes years, much longer than it would take to do by hand.

>>528668885
What kind of FBR setup would that be? How much waste does it produce?
I'm actually surprised it's that low. Just 70 people for refining and everything surrounding the plant? I mean turbines alone are 40 people.
>Wonder how corn power density compares to, say, solar?
Solar is atrociously bad. One greenhouse uses the same amount of space as 24 solar panels. Even with mono panels, you're only getting 4.8MW during sunny weather. Meanwhile the greenhouse would do 5MW continuously on high pressure turbines only, to use the steam for desalination.

>>528669865
Concrete, asphalt or glass.

coudln't figure out why this foundry with a full mk2 belt of concrete that only needs 90/min was bottlenecked
apparently 1 tiny segment of the belt inside the input shute was mk1

>>528673149
classic

>>528673149

Is SE better than SA in your opinion? Never tried it, but reading the mod page it sounds like it has a lot more interesting stuff.

>>528676274
SE has it's ups and downs and the scale is dramatically larger, but it empowers the player more through incredibly high throughput in interplanetary logistics.

Whereas SA has intentional bottlenecks for shipping items from one planet to another, SE lets you launch incredibly expensive rockets that instantly deliver like 485 stacks of items to a different location without anything resembling the weight system. And you can set up a rocket silo to automatically deliver a product to any landing pad of the same name, with any number of landing pads per planet. If SA is about making 4 self-sufficient bases and an outpost, SE is about making a megafactory with 20 outposts that are all constantly interchanging resources to function.

The downside is that you are probably going to want to set aside a fucking week of your own time to set up that copper mining outpost and nothing else because the scale is ridiculous and the game takes forever. This is a good thing if you just want to play factorio for the rest of your life on the same save file, but is definitely too much for most people.

The other downside is that SE is bizarrely adverse to voiding items and absolutely LOVES irrelevant byproduct, which mostly just means that you'll set up rigs that produce byproduct and then every few hours one of the systems you've set up will need manual intervention for you to fire artillery on a warehouse full of 200,000 landfill.

>>528670235
in the book, the program takes 16 months to run. time isn't really an issue since they can fast-forward (this is set in a VR simulation). the soldiers are NPCs but the people orchestrating the whole thing are real and would not have time to do it by hand.

of course it would probably take months of work to design such a computer anyway so you are right that just hand-calculating the orbit may have been best.

>>528676274
I think SA had a lot more polish, and SE had some pretty big lulls in the mod (the 16 intermediate space sciences REALLY dragged on), but I think I enjoyed SE more than SA. The cool aspects were much cooler, it kept more of the base factorio game loop that is better than the SA loop, and ultimately you feel like your base is at a cooler scale (SA bases end up so small and it's kind of disaapointing). Arcospheres were also quite fun to play around with.
Don't play SE + K2 though, SE is a better experience when it's more handcrafed and standalone

>>528676274
SE does the whole thing better for the sane parts, it's hampered by being a bloat mod but if you made a "vanilla" version of SE then it would just be upgrade over SA.

>>528676274
You can have SE levels of planets in SA now

>>528678826
The thing making SE good was not the number of planets.