It's 100° out in NYC right now edition

>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/06-17-2025-update.68401/

>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/

>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/

>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be autistic.

>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.

Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlocked.wiki/
https://liquipedia.net/deadlock/
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHc

Threadlocked: >>528206803

Getting real tired of these dogshit teams down in this rank I mean just look at this fucking objective damage

Valve should add Yasuo and Yone to this game so they can save us from guntranny meta induced boredom and stagnation.

>>528665592
>Holliday more obj dmg than Seven
lol lmao
Also your fault for not going gun bbop and splitpushing, nobody is winning your games except you

>>528665592
elo hell

>>528667995
What is elo heaven then?

>>528673353
all ranks are elo hell. some are just lower circles than others. this will never change until we get more players or valve fixes the matchmaking (so never ever)

>>528673517
Stop playing for the ranking then, you clearly hate it

is this game fun?

>>528674590
i have fun

>>528666758
>>528667995
>>528673517
retards that game is actually eternus5 and you were baited until commenting on shit with your stupid opinions like a stupid fuck

>>528674590
i'm having fun, this is the epitome of gun lane bully BROOOL meta though

>>528677683
none of the gun carries are lane bullies except infernus doe

>>528674590
Yes its great, love the constant fights since it makes PvE farmniggers seethe
>>528676249
I'm from eternus 6 oblast and I approve this message. Nefr bebop NOW

>>528674590
yes. but it's also still very early in development.

>play seven
>effortlessly get 20k more souls than the rest of the lobby except for calico
>12345 infuser unstoppable surge of power fleetfoot my lightning scroll diviner's juggernaut spirit burn escalating exposure ult
>entire team is stunned and taking a metric fuck load of damage per second, must use all resources just to get back into spawn
>team actually follows up holding left click and walking forwards
holy fuck seven needs removed from low elo, there is not going to be any casual player who does not seethe at the idea of a retard playing seven exclusively and button mashing into the enemy team and single handedly carrying the match on their back

overrated

>>528680864
wait until you learn about warden

>>528681592
>gets nerfed 3-4x back to back
yah

>>528681632
warden is strong but not nearly as much of a pubstomper as seven

>>528681592
>+55 damage once per second
>in a game where you get ventilated in 2-3 seconds
wowie!

>Get decent matchmaking for 3 games in a row
it.... it can't be.... RIGHT?????? There's no WAY they fixed it..........

Alright fine.... here's the TRUE and HONEST ranking of each deadlock hero for carrying low iq subbies.... sadly.... SLIM PICKINGS!!! SAD!

>>528678467
mirage

>>528682861
I'd argue he isn't that big of a bully since he needs items to scale more

>>528682565
>no mirage
retard alert

>>528682565
where's Mirage, Calico, Holliday, Sinclair, Vyper?

>>528678467
>except infernus
only if they're not ass, most are ass

calico finally fixed?

>>528665592
eternus game btw

>>528686467
CALICO FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>528682119
I had 1 great game the other day, we lost but my team did well. No one got tilted and we talked about jacking off and tacos

>>528686671
fuck now i have to deal with more calico boxfarm retards on my team and demonic 1 shot threats on the other team

so is this a product of learning how to play the game or is alchemist-arcanist true elo hell

>>528682565
>Yamato that low
She's no left clicker but she's not bottom of B tier either.

>>528686467
they added surveys for how fun heroes are to play/play against and how strong items are

>it's a nothingburger patch
yyawwnn

Kelvin beam nerf when
smurfs permanently banned on all accounts when

They added invisible behavior score to matchmaking, therefore anyone complaining from now on can be safely disregarded as a anti social subhuman.

>>528690287
might be true if the ones who made the system weren't antisocial sub-humans

>>528690586
There's one russian on the team, and he's an artist.

>>528690791
>he doesn't understand how the self-righteous pearl-clutching system that ends like dota where nobody talks could possibly been designed by antisocial subhumans if they aren't russian

>>528689918
just got nerfed...made a real difference too, feels like it's way easier to kite safely in lane, although it still eats shitter teammates alive

>>528691227
they didnt nerf the base range, just the t3 range though? or did they do both?

I got asked about

improved spirit
mystic vulnerability
and return fire

>>528691415
nah you're right, I just remembered incorrectly. dunno, I think kelvin is easy to handle in lane, the difficulty spikes when your lane partner is some random retard

>teammate going all the way up green when enemy has reju
>gets jumped and dies
>guys what we DOOOOOOING YOU GUYS ARE BOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stunning lack of self awareness from deadlock players. I really have no words

>>528691868
you've to understand, some people queue up not to play, but to talk and get mad

>>528691868
it's even funnier when you've been spamming PULL BACK GET BACK and they still do it and complain

>>528673568
I never have played for rank and never played ranked mode. Valve is beyond retarded for adding ranks before launch. Now the only people left in this game are sweaty metafags trying and failing to gain ranks from half-baked ranked system in a game that has equally half-baked balance. And since those are the only people playing, valve is listening to their FOTM meta demands like nerfing siphon bullets for the nth time is going to improve the game. permanent feedback loop of drooling retardation. great job valve I'm sure this game will be a great success and not be forgotten in a few weeks after launch

>>528692452
I was understanding of your post up until you decided that siphon bullet nerfs are what's killing the game kek

>>528690287
Sooo, you mean any pissed off cunt can now report you for calling him out on his behavior and you're the one getting punished? I remember my behaviour score tanked despite all my words being ''buy bkb'' and ''dont push solo''. What a decent and human-centric system

>5/6 enemy players get debuff remover
>still top damage with affliction
is it retardation?

>>528692452
I'm genuinely confused: how are balance changes bad in your opinion? Its what keeps the game playable and adds some kind of refresh for people who come to play only to check out the updates or a new patch.
Stale meta sucks more than a shifting meta, not just in a PvP, even in PvE games like Vermintide and Helldivers its noticeable. You're blaming the one thing which keeps the game somewhat interesting.

>>528691868
>half the team constantly dead because they respawn and instantly go get ganked trying to push into the enemy base on a single lane while the other two are pushed back to ours
>working overtime to not die and simply hold the lanes back and push out anyone that comes in
>they bitch and moan in chat that you're not doing anything

>>528693485
you can only remove it with the T4 barrier item or unstoppable, debuff remover doesn't work for ults

Hey fags can you jump into the game instead of complaining about it? I've been waiting for the match for 10 mins now.

>>528691868
I ALWAYS say “only fight in base for a while” when enemy gets rejuv. So basically if you go out there to fight not only are you an an inting idiot but expect no help.

Green maxing doesn't seem viable anymore or am I wrong. I think the resilience nerfs were the final nail in the coffin

>me as ivy
>go in with yamato to steal rejuv
>stone form on top of it and punch it
>yamato ults and dies at the fucking stairs (???)
>team compliments peanut head for the steal
stolen valor, next time that happens im feeding the rest of the game
PAY ATTENTION TO THE FEED

>>528695004
most sane ivy player

>>528692603
you missed the point but its ok I should have worded it better
>>528693492
I'm saying they need to finish the game before they get sucked into FOTM meta shit. literally just wasting time and resources focusing on the wrong things

>>528697189
I think adjusting numbers and making models for heroes isn't the same department's work. Also I want these numbers now to enjoy playing the game right now and not in some undetermined future, please and thank you

one of the best, most balanced matches i have ever had was the one where the toxic annoying bitch warden rage quit and we won without him 15 minutes later

>shiv and (me)Abrams vs warden and grey talon
>we of course lose lane because they can just shoot at us all their want and our only counterplay is to overcommit to do any damage
>luckily enemy haze dcs and abandons so we win
nice

remove shiv, geist, and talon from the game
rework warden and yamato ult
rework every passive that is just a damage amplifier especially infernus

game fixed

>>528699740
I think the main issue right now is ricochet. You can't defend against mirage and infernus without eating shit by being nearby

>>528699740
infernus is the most broken character in the game and needs a full rework, i would actually be fine with him being a hyper-mobile """anime swordsman""" type character using flames with an ult similar to that of genji's compared to the retarded gun carry that he currently is, replacing afterburn passive with an active sword dash and slash that procs afterburn would be a great fix

infernus melee is already retardedly strong with 40% damage amp anyways, might as well make him a squishy melee monster

>>528681592
it used to be good but it got nerfed, again
deservedly so
cancer item shouldn't exist

Dude what if infernus was yamato lmao

>>528700184
rework afterburn so he opens his palm and changes his primary fire to a limited range flamethrower

>>528700324
yamato is a jap chink, where is my americanized nigga ninja

>>528700475
now that you mention it, infernus not having a pyro flamethrower is gay as fuck

>>528697870
>I think adjusting numbers and making models for heroes isn't the same department's work
yes? I don't think I implied otherwise. you think the game is finished except for the art? that the most pressing balance concerns are tweaking items by 1% based on whatever streamer is bitching about it this month? come on man

Make afterburn 5x more potent but it can only be applied with melees

>>528700880
Also make it so he doesn't do that weird static pause from meleeing so he can do drive by melees with flame dash

REEE VALVE EVERY HERO IS BROKEN AND ALL THE ITEMS ARE BROKEN, NERF IT ALL NOOOOOOWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!

The black woman of Valve unoriginality.
These are TWO different characters.

>>528700741
>you think the game is finished except for the art?
Honestly, yes, if the game released in the current state but with an art pass I'd be happy ince I'm having fun with it already.
>>528699740
>remove every stat and +dmg passive
>rework jungle to clown on passive farmers
>give Vindicta shoes
Game fixed

Nerf ricochet bounces and make it 1600 and buff split shot and make it 6400

Why are so many Deadlock players intolerable faggots and why is this guy the king of them?

>>528702098
valve games attract the best of humanity

>>528665258 (OP)
Dead dogshit valvedrone game.
Dead dogshit valvedrone general.
If you still haven't uninstalled Dogshitlock, you're a waste of oxygen and should kill yourself immediately.

>>528702990
epic own

>>528701480
>nothing is wrong lol losing 90% of your playerbase is normal don't ever criticize valve dude come on

>>528703472
>*farts loudly for a few seconds straight while you were in mid meltdown*

>>528703936
simply EPIC post! that'll show him for doubting valve! XD!

>>528704680
no shutup, the game lost all it's players because you can't grind for skins. it has nothing to do with this being an unfun CC fest where you spend 80% of your time mindlessly farming AI minions

>>528703472
it was going to happen regardless of what valve did, thoughbeithowever.

>>528693671
is pocket just an ult bot now?

>>528700483
like him?

>how many assists do you guys want on team?
>yes

>>528706339
always has been. spirit nuke 1 shotting people is gone.

Huh? I had a survey while queueing up asking me which heroes were fun to play against, and all of them were the ones that are absolutely awful to play against like Bebop and MnK. What did Yoshi mean by this?

>>528708905
they will be reworked. they MUST be.

>win a game so hard I top frag on everything with 2 deaths due to ego pushing
quitting tonight, its going to be a shitfest for the next 14 games

>>528709162
If true, then thank God. Our prayers have finally been answered.

>play match
>enemy haze abandons
>play another match
>another enemy haze abandons

>>528702990
Truthnuke.

When the hell are they adding a capture the urn mode, im tired of this mobashit but still like the gameplay

>>528704947
I never noticed how much the CC spam and the afk farming was wearing me down until you said it. I can only hope that these surveys mean they'll change course.
There is way too much bullshit you have to put up with to get to the fun of the game, and all these retarded drones keep telling you to git gud or to deal with it or whatever.

>>528708905
>>528709473
it's random

>>528710135
>CC spam

what CC are you having trouble with? because outside of....what, mo and krill popup? they're not gonna straight up remove CC from the game

Reminder to give geist the lowest rating when asked

>>528711113
I'm not having trouble with any CC, I just don't like it. It's not fun. During laning, it's not that bad because there is usually a way to avoid it, but after that it's so exhausting getting juggled by lash into a black hole into stone form into static discharge, and they all have lightning scroll for whatever fucking reason.
> Just buy unstoppable
Genuinely fuck off.

>>528711596
>I don't like it. it's not fun.

well then tough shit, they're not gonna straight up remove CC from the game. play something else or wait for draft.

>>528711707
Damn, that sucks. I guess I'm leaving. I had fun with Deadlock, but I'm sick of all the goddamn CC.

>>528711871
you could try waiting for the riot knockoff, I'm sure there will be no CC in that game

>>528711871
Havent you already announced youre leaving a dozen times tho?

>>528712083
Anon, I'm a mentally ill tf2fag. I played deadlock because it felt like tf2. I don't give a fuck about riot. I'm going back to tf2.

>>528712210
oh is this anon the same guy that keeps coming in to randomly announce that shooters and mobas don't mix every two weeks? kekaroo

>>528712210
>>528712303
Nope. Are you talking about the fag who writes entire essays on this board? That isn't me. I'm the one who keeps posting pictures of Yoshi and responding to the most retarded post in each thread with "thanks for the feedback"

>>528712303
Pretty sure it is, the one that writes a paragraph about how bad the game is

>all the people that dislike this game are one person
i still like this game but there's some bizzare cope in this community

>>528712528
No, I lurk and sometimes larp as Yoshi. There is definitely more than one anon saying that shit. It's not a unique take.

>>528704947
>>528711596
>>528711707
>>528713558
it's not a unique take at all that people found the high amounts of CC and lack of quake DM to not be fun. The one thing that was universally praised was the movement, but if the movement stops mattering from CC then it's not fun.

Also it's a bit weird how personally people take criticism of this game in its alpha stage. The point is feedback. Nerfing gunplay was the wrong direction and even reddit is unhappy with the game in the current state.

>>528713402
>faggot comes in here daily crying about bullshit and announces he's leaving (for real this time)
it's not a cope, it's hilarious

>make invisible hero who does more damage from hitting multiple shots in a row
>"this hero needs to afk hit creeps for 30 minutes before you can actually do that"
>this hero is a cowgirl gun slinging gal who does extra headshot damage
>"actually the damage scales on spirit damage, 2 abilities are charges, the headshot ability has a long cooldown"
>this is a gargoyle who gets bullet lifesteal, moves full speed when firing, and faster fire rate
>"uhmm we need to nerf gun damage on Ivy. Let's give her wombo combo magic damage instead"
>this goo character can navigate around the map swiftly, has skillshots with punches, can save teammates
>"nerf the goo character's gun damage. Actually, nerf his punch as well."

Huh wow, no gun builds allowed besides afk jungling carries. What is allowed to be strong?

>"we have this hero called Geist, she throws a massive AOE grenade that explodes instantly and leaves molotov cocktail fire on the ground. She will stand 10 miles away from the creepwave. Also if you dive her she can swap health bars and have undodgeable lifesteal health drain"

>>528714114
> quake mentioned
I love you for that anon, but wtf are you doing on /vg/? Go home to your wife and work your cushy office job, old man.

If this is who I think it is, I loved your movement guide.

>refuses to take part in a single teamfight
>just stays in jungle farming all game
>somehow still doesn't have top farm
>does nothing but screech in voice about "team throwing bylat dogs"

is this every vindicta player or am I tripping

>>528714728
Nah, I've seen a lot of people saying they're ready to leave on other platforms. It would explain the surveys. Game's in a bad state right now, this might be a turning point.

>>528711596
ripping the CC away from heroes kits would make them feel like shit
imagine lash but he can't slow, knock up, or relocate people and all of his abilities just deal damage with different presentation

>>528717607
The people ready to leave left in September.

>>528717878
doomposters btfod

>>528716902
It's the guy who always brings up quake and has no proof he ever played it and would get his shit rocked by 18 year olds if he did probably

this character is fucking broken

>>528711596
get gud

>>528719407
yeah you can definitely tell she came out after the rest of the cast in development, its like they took all the good things from them and sort of shoved them into her

just remember anon she's been hard nerfed three times so far and she's still this strong

hey guys, just making my daily ritual post talking about how shit the game is and oh yeah you already know I'm going to quit the game

>>528716902
i have several heroes selected with equal priority but the game gives me vindicta a ton, so i've gotten pretty solid at her. avoiding fights is the worst thing you can do on her, she needs snipe kills to snowball. I usually try to get fortitude up before lanes break apart and just roam constantly securing kills with her 4. anyone who shoots a jungle creep with her is trolling you

>>528719991
i came from marvel rivals so when i saw calico i thought it must be the spiderman of this game

turns out its just a broken character

>>528717742
I would unironically prefer that.

>>528722516
i want global cc cooldown / maximum time cc'd
basically u get free unstoppable if you are cc'd for more than 5 seconds

>>528722737
>teamwork being rewarded is STUPID
>my bad positioning should NOT be punished

>>528715158
You're barking up the wrong Anon, but I did not need to be called out like this. I rarely swing by here because this board has gone down the shitter, but it puts me on pins and needles that people think I'm shitposting on 4chan.

> I loved your movement guide
Thanks. I'm never doing that again.

>>528718990
I would get destroyed by 18 year olds. Not because I'm a poser, but because I am dogshit. You could at least sugarcoat it, man.

>>528719407
my back hurts

These surveys got me scared. I hope they don't remove M&K ult and other such CC just because some faggots can't stand being caught out and locked down.

>>528723740
yoshi told me he's going to make the heroes that aren't flagged as annoying to play against more annoying to make everything fair

>>528717742
>>528723118
Nobody said that positioning shouldn't matter, and I'm nta but I think ultimates are really what pushes the CC over the edge.

It's extremely hard to push a walker versus Lash. Saying "Just position better" doesn't solve the problem where the correct action to take is also boring, which is to disengage. You'll "win" by taking enemy farm, but the match is prolonged because pushing a walker versus a Lash means getting death slammed. The rest of his kit; flying, flog, and ground pound are all fine. It's his ~ultimate~ that makes him a pain in the ass to play against.

Same thing with most heroes. Dynamo has a skillshot stun, a heal, and i-frames that give fire rate + reload. These would be fine to help tone down nothing but pure quake DM, add a little CC that needs to be respected. What's not fun Is him buying superior duration, Diviner's Kevlar, Superior expansion, and having an extremely long stun in black hole

Wraith, has a teleport, a nuke, and a somewhat boring fire rate boost, but what makes her annoying to play against is an ultimate that ~cannot be dodged~ outside of i-frames, and removes control of your hero. Holliday, a hero that should be rewarded with headshot damage, instead has a long stun ultimate and she can bounce pad very far to reposition you. The bounce pad, the barrels, the headshot ability, all of those are fine.

Yamato, 2 skill shots and a grapple, could be a fun hero, but her ultimate is a cheesy "I cannot die and I gain i-frames". If deadlock had no ultimates, I sincerely think the game would be a lot more fun

>>528723118
Why don't you position yourself outside and get a job?

>>528723740
I hope they do just so I can turn the tables and tell you to leave if you don't like it.

>>528723740
M&K is an inherently annoying hero and I hope they rework and gut him to make ultbot lovers seethe

>>528724349
Sounds like what you really want is a deathmatchy sidemode with ultimates disabled.

>>528724349
This is to say, while yes there are counters and methods to avoid these heroes' abilities, in effect the correct way to play is fundamentally boring, whereas exciting gameplay makes you lose. This causes a gameplay loop of farming, which will never be fun. Hitting NPC's that do no damage to you, but have large HP amounts, is a boring bullet sponge. Having nothing to do besides hitting boxes is not fun. I'm not so silly to think that Valve would actually remove all ultimates from the game, but something needs to click for Yoshi and have him realize that rehashing Dota2's afk farm patches were the most reviled among the playerbase. There have been bad patches in Dota before, but the ones people hated the most were farming patches.

There needs to be more things to do on the map; side objectives should pull people either away from lanes or into lanes. Heroes of the Storm did this incredibly well, where killing NPC's would result in them pushing, so there was an incentive to keep them alive/guard them whilst they would attack an enemy objective. Runes are interesting, but meh. Urns rarely happen because you're likely throwing the match 90% of the time.

FUCK i played a match where my 10 trophy collector stacks gave me 0 range

I can't fucking submit a bug report because I forgot my throwaway email

>>528724534
NTA, but I kinda agree with him. Too many ults are just "press 4 to win team fight," and it turns the entire map into no man's land until you've farmed up your own win buttons. I have a lot less fun as soon as laning ends because of this.

I actually do like the macro, with all the pushing lanes and fighting over objectives. It gives an experience that a simple deathmatch wouldn't offer. I don't like it when team fights are centered around buying curse faster than dynamo can buy unstoppable. It's mind numbing. So much skill to the movement and coordinating combos with your spells, but none of it matters when a neanderthal playing MnK needs their positioning cope because they know they're garbage without their magic 4 button.

>>528725270
Are you sure they were giving you 0 range or did you just look at the stats?
Last time I checked the range isn't reflected in your stats menu but still worked

>>528725014
Listen anon, I love your essays but you genuinely need to write in the forums instead.

>infernus or warden ulting
>uppercut them away and watch them waste it

>>528724469
if mo ever got a serious rework to tone down CC they're probably not touching the ult, it would be the burrow popup that allows a lot of mo's to dominate early game laning in some matchups

>>528725413
Deadlock should have ultimates with longer cooldowns BUT can be shortened via player damage, friendly healing, assists, kills, etc. That way ults can long cooldowns (3-4 mins) but still be reduced down if a player is active around the map with assists and kills and support.

>>528726174
>le overwatch
kys

>>528725413
>Too many ults are just "press 4 to win team fight," and it turns the entire map into no man's land until you've farmed up your own win buttons

there's a trend where a lot of the staple MOBA powerful ults were put in first, it's intentional to gauge how they effect the game and if it's good or bad. I think it's fine and generally in line with a majority of MOBAs.

>>528726174
That wouldn't fix the issue that all.

>>528726228
It's fine for ults to be powerful, but they need to be telegraphed or give a fair chance of avoiding them if they're CC. The precedent set by other mobas doesn't work for deadlock because you don't have a top down view or wards. Positioning doesn't matter when an enemy can see you from across the map, and does some Titanfall shmovement to sneak up on you from 10 different blind spots.

>>528726208
What do you suggest? If the enemy team has a krill or dynamo, if not both, then you can’t fight. Or play and game. The only solution is to increase ult cooldown dramatically.

ultimates but it needs to be charged up with energy that spawns around the map so you know when the enemy is getting theirs & vice versa and you don't insta-lose lane if they hit 3.5k before you

>>528726665
>but they need to be telegraphed

all the big teamfight ults are telegraphed with distinct and recognizable sounds, the only instant "ur fucked" ult is dynamo

>>528726665
Why wouldn’t it fix the issue? Aside from major rebalancing / reworking, how would you suggest the ult be changed

>>528726680
Dynamo has the lowest winrate in the game currently in eternus

>>528726813
> Why wouldn't it fix the issue?
Snowballing. If you have ults auto win team fights, and winning fights charges ults faster, then it doesn't change anything.
How to change the ults? In general, skillshots. CC is fucking stupid easy to land in this game. Half of this shit doesn't even need aim, you just click on them and it does the work for you. You used to be able to jump over lash stomp, but then they increased the height of its hitbox to the point of being unavoidable unless lash can't track for shit. Now it's just "if Lash sees you, say goodbye to your movement." It's a very similar story for a lot of abilities where they kept making them easier to land after players found ways to avoid them. This isn't healthy, and now we've reached a breaking point.
At least, I hope these surveys mean Yoshi has realized this. I miss the days when they actually read and responded to our feedback.

>>528726174
nah, ults range from things that are meant to be used multiple times in a single team fight to things that you can use once a fight
>calico ult
basically just a normal part of her kit since the cd is so short
>paradox ult
can use it a bunch, arguably one of the weakest ults tho
>holliday ult
short cd, can use it 2 times in longer fights

compare those to
>dynamo
team wipe poential, long ass cd
>seven
not that long of a cd actually but still
>haze
pretty long cd

i like how each ult has its own identity, not every ult is an auto win 1v1 / get a free kill button, they each have their own unique feel and purpose such as lash ult basically giving your team the opportunity to kill 4 people for free or ivy being a mini get out of jail free card for a low hp teammate or warden forcing people to run or else they die

>>528728346
All of those ults are only used once per fight.

Valve should add a cute bnuuy hero.
>Umm that wouldn't be so wholesome and progressive anon how about another nigger la-
Heavy (voice): "NO!"

>>528728346
should have mentioned the ults used 0 times per fight such as mirage and mcginnis

>>528728916
die nigger you already have your DEI kitty cat maid girl

>>528729157
surprised there is not a mod to make calico an actual cat girl, obviously white as well

For every good character design there's 4 bad ones.

>>528726803
Yes, but every objective is at a wide open space with barely any cover to run from them. In a 1v1 situation, most ults are fine, but when every hero has their own slow, stun, displace, etc? You're not avoiding those ults. It's what makes auto-win ults like MnK's or Wraith's so unfun. In lane? I'm fine with them. When I have to shove lanes by myself because my entire team is too scared to do anything but farm? I just don't like how they win the fight automatically after calling out your risky positioning. There is no outplaying here, it's a pick your poison situation.
You want to know why this game is nothing but farming right now? It's because you're not allowed to get away with taking risks.

>>528729643
actually this is why calico feels like such a strong character right now, its one of the only characters that can get away if a fight starts to go bad

>>528729910
That is exactly why calico is so strong right now. Every hero should be able to run away like that. Positioning like in a traditional MOBA does not work for Deadlock because it's not traditional. Having bad fights impossible to escape from, and CC being fucking impossible to dodge just makes the game feel bad when you're forced to take risks. A game should be fun to play, not just fun to win.

I will say the game has yet to have a really crazy skill based designed hero. Even all of the leaked heroes are nothing insane. I'm waiting for a hero on the same tier as Invoker or Meepo that'll really surprised me in how complex and creative they are.

People are hyped for fucking Vampirebat when her abilities are literally 'throw 2 knives lol', 'blink a short distance', and 'generic AOE ult'.

Like give me someone to be excited about.

>>528730650
>Every hero should be able to run away like that

no thanks

>having bad fights impossible to escape from

is a good thing, players with a good read on the situation should be rewarded

>>528731138
Viscous.

>>528731210
>is a good thing, players with a good read on the situation should be rewarded

We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I think being rewarded for having the read is weak as fuck. You should still have to work for the kill. It is so much more fun when you're in some crazy chase with insane movement instead of MnK warp stoning to your area and pressing 4.

>>528729157
She's an ugly sheboon. I want a bnuuy girl, preferably white.

>>528731496
if you want to be able to escape everything, build for it. t3 stamina, enduring speed, etc. of course, you'll have to give up some power or even pure HP/resists. welcome to MOBAs, this is what differentiates them from shooters.

>mcginnis on our team doesn't speak a word the entire match
>goes 0/4 in laning
>just keeps trying to solo push and dying for it
>doesn't help that her lane partner is freaking out in comms at her
>game goes past 20 minutes, some picks happen, people get heated, the usual deadlock nonsense
>every time a fight happens she's halfway across the map pushing lanes
>team is sperging at her but doesn't respond to any of it
>keep her alive best I can on support dynamo but we're still losing
>game hits 30 minutes
>fight breaks out at our mid base towers
>we do what we can but we all wipe
>sole survivor on the enemy team is a vyper on life support
>meanwhile mcginnis is just living her best life on a sidelane
>enemy team didn't clear waves beforehand so they're all shoved to their side of the map
>splitpushes it so hard they can't respond to her in time
>by the time they get a faster respawn its too late she already has the firing squad set up
>we win because she's got the entire minion wave behind her
>doesn't say a word, instantly leaves the game

whoever you are mcginnis I need you to know I love you

>>528733056
bro post a pic of the match result of that mcginnis i need to see this

>>528733056
that mcginnis immediately entered queue for another game and then went 2-17 and lost

>>528733056
what's funny is depending on the rank i may know who this mcginnis is, actual goat status

>farming the wave near my walker
>enemy infernus wants smoke and ints hard on me
>over the course of like 15 seconds I'm stealing all his hp with siphon bullets and he makes no attempt to disengage
>he dies and drops a 1500 soul bag for me
thanks I guess

Every match I'm playing recently seems to be against coordinated teams that will focus down each player one by one while my team refuses any and all teamwork

>>528731138
this, every hero is very basic, makes me sad honestly, even shit like hero's of the storm throws in some wacky ass characters, meanwhile deadlock is the first real FPS/Movement shooter/moba ever and we have shit like "Throw item, move faster, stun, nuke"

>I want more creative ideas!
>such as?
>uhhh ummm uhhh

>>528682565
>Pocket that high
what alchemist nigger made this list

>>528700184
>infernus is the most broken character in the game and needs a full rework
Wrong. Ricochet just needs to be flat out removed.

>>528704947
>it has nothing to do with this being an unfun CC fest where you spend 80% of your time mindlessly farming AI minions
biggest game in the world btw, retarded tourist tranny.

>>528744751
This, ricochet was genuinely a mistake. Or they can rework ricochet so the bouncing bullet damage is higher but doesn't proc on hit effects maybe

>>528728916
>>528731568
>ummm I know I don't play the game at all but I want valve to release a character that I won't play but can jerk off to!
kill yourself, you porn addicted freak.
fuck back off to owg or lolg where all your tranny ilk resides.
know with the faggot tranny typing you're doing
>bnuuy
you're probably already injecting HRT.

>Last time we get a hero was fucking 5 months ago
>wont get another update for over a month from now
>this stale shit is all we have had to play for half a year

God I hate the real testers' getting to enjoy really testing a game. Getting to see crazy new changes while it happens while we rot in the forgotten year old build valve threw away

>>528745047
Man its the same baiting retard who keeps posting anime coomershit and asks to add this to the game. Stop. Taking. The. Bait.
>>528744873
NTA but I'd rather see this game never go above 20k players than let it be like LoL. Also CC is based.
>>528733056
This McGinnis should be put in the concentration camp together with every other afk feeder who solo pushes, dies, then respawns and goes alone to die to the enemy team again while your team stays at permanen tnumerical disadvantage

>>528745679
I don't care about old heroes, half of them are generic coomerbait trash, I want old heroes reworked to be more interesting and to get an art pass

The final stage of cope
>I-I'D ACTUALLY RATHER THIS GAME BE DEAD THAN HAVE AN ACTUAL PLAYERBASE
Valve dickriders man..

>>528745879
>than let it be like LoL
that in no way was the point of my post.
they say "duhh nobody want farm for 30 minutes, that's why the game is dead!!!" when that's mostly all you do in league in most games.
you're ADC? you're farming for 25+ minutes because you're fucking useless, never fight anyone else unless you're smurfing as Ezreal or Draven.
You're JG? you're spending the GRAND MAJORITY of the game hitting PvE camps, barely interacting with another player outside of ganking. (no, counter jungling is not interacting.)
You're top lane? most MUs are hard counter picks where you aren't even goint to think about interacting because you will lose since you got counterpicked.
>Haha, I locked in Akshan. I love swinging!!!
>Malphite, Zac, Irelia, Jax locked in on enemy team
every single top game.
yet League is STILL the biggest game on the planet despite the boring as shit gameplay.

I was skeptical at first but plate armor fucks gunbabs really hard.

>>528746534
And you ignored what I saud: I don't care if absolutely boring, botched, imbalanced mess is popular (nowhere near the most popular one on the planet btw, this isn't 2014), Deadlock has a very different approach and design philosophy. There's no point of comparing them and wishing Deadlock would incorporate something from LoL.
>>528746023
Go play Fortnite then, after all it has le heckin playerbaserino you want so much. Dumbing down the game, changing the artstyle and remaking it into an Overporn clone will mean people will just play OW or Marvel Rivals instead you tourist faggot

>>528747021
appeal to popularity is such a bad attempt at trolling given how easily it is dispelled by going "go play that then"
no idea why the trannies still use it.

Bikini skins soon
t. Knower

>>528747386
Can't wait for the Borat swimsuit Abrams skin

>>528747708
Yes but Geist will wear over sized swimming trunks topless. The joke being they swapped outfits

>>528747021
>Y-You must want the game to be like Overwatch if you're criticizing it
Who are you even arguing with? The voices in your head?

>>528745972
>Don't make new content
>recycle old content!
This is the most zoomer post of this threat.

Unironically what do you think prostitution is like in-universe? Do you think magical beings are more or less expensive than normal humans?

Do most people not want fug a nasty undead etc girl or are they more expensive because they’re less common? Would a snake girl be seen as icky and less desirable or just exotic?

>>528750925
its not worth the thought

does this game actually have behaviour score? I'm just gonna start smurfing if the reason I have shit team mates 75% of the time now is flaming griefers in the past.

Can we nerf Seven? Or maybe make a FUCKING ROOF AT THE PATRON

>play Holygay
>from Ritualist VI to Seeker II

>>528756590
>not AT LEAST Oracle
ngmi

>>528756590
Is she really that good? I'd expect someone like Seven or Infernus to be a noobstomper

What's the APR equivalent for Spirit? gun meta is really unfun

>>528724349
you counter Lash by buying knockdown or just shooting under cover.

>>528748208
Love me girls with the unconventional swimsuits
>>528754364
Behaviour score is dogshit in Dota2 and it has a much wider pool of players. So don't worry about it

>>528761602
>Counterspell

>>528757135
>>528758138
I think you guys misunderstood. He’s saying he fell from ritualist to seeker. Not that I blame you for not knowing the order of these lower ranks

What if... each hero had like 5-7 additional skins and valve stole the ow1 lootbox idea? I SHNEED TO GAMBLE AHHHHH

>>528762603
Damn you're right, I'm retarded

>>528762603
nah I understood they were demoting I was just saying even oracle is dog shit so I can't imagine below that.

>>528744873
I don't want this game to be like league of legends, I want this game to be fun.

>>528764078
What if EU grew a pair and banned this shit proper so I could get the hat I want by just directly paying, instead of surfing through boxes/battlepasses/limited editions/player market

here's your meta. pick on hit effect nigger heroes and aimbot.

>>528749829
>feed me more content I want to CONSUUUUUUM
>old heroes kits are repetitive and boring? nah who cares
(You) are the zoomer in here anon
>>528761476
Tankbuster

>>528767018
Gun geist is ass cancer

>>528767269
nah the mirage and infernus are both hard aimbotting 100% headshots

>>528767079
Tankbuster is not really good at its job desu.

>>528767018
lel the infernus has a 90% winrate across 22 games(20-2) on his either smurf of aimbot account but the average match rank is arcanist 6

this is why the matchmaking is so fucked up, hundreds of these accounts in the system

>>528767803
People here keep complaining about tanking in mmr for one reason or another, then being essentially pushed into smurfing and stomping for a long time with the system being completely oblivious to it. Something here is genuinely broken

>>528767621
If your goal is to work around spirit damage reduction, you have 2 workarounds: - spirit resist or + damage.
Lens is hot garbage since it gets countered by 3200 item, spirit snatch is way too situational unless you're Abrams or Calico, escalating exposure has to be stacked first.
I really don't know if there's an upside to building -spirit resist compared to just more spirit power.

>>528769896
Yeah that's what tankbuster is for, it's just not very good at its job compared to some m1 gun shredding your existence. Btw, spirit snatch is fucking retarded good on Viscous because of puddle punch. If you hit multiple players, it stacks the effect.

>>528767803
he was 1000% cheating the rest of my team felt it too just straight up snapping to people in 0.00s when you come into view

I know there are better carries, but I like this one

>>528771073
Did you feed them that bag earlier or something? (vindicta ult souls) Jesus fucking christ that's so big

>>528772153
I think haze drops it after hoovering up most of the jungle, i am neurotic about spending assassinate souls as quickly as possible.

>>528772602
That one is always a common thing. Haze runs into enemy Infernus or some shit after 5 minutes in the jungle and donates all of their souls to them after losing a 1v1

Deadlock's future due to rampant complaining

>people are shooting me in this shooting game! unacceptable!
>all gun damage lowered by 90%, most items now do nothing but offer cool pictures
>every gun interaction is now a 30s TTK slogfest where you have to aim perfectly and having less than 45% headshots means you don't even have enough ammo to kill
>spirit builds can now gain a stacking 20% damage buff per skill used consecutively
>when you take 80% of your HP in 3 seconds from 1234 spam, you must go back to fountain to heal for 45 seconds, as we've removed Fortitude
>buying antiheal now makes lifesteal damage themselves and heal you instead
>taking more than 35% of your HP from spirit damage in a single hit now stuns you for 4s
>siphon bullets now steals gun damage and converts it into spirit damage
>ricochet can now bounce and hit allies and yourself

>>528773109
thankfully the devs are making their autistic dream game so none of that will happen. show me one time they implemented feedback that didn't align with their established design goals

What the fuck do you do against a farmed Geist as a "support" anyway? Like how fucking broken is one he-

most non human community I've ever met in my life. the people in this game make marvel rivals 10 year olds look pro.

>>528773715
lol

>>528773571
>be an entire T4 over the 'farmed' geist
>actually be building nothing but gun items
>wow how am I winning this game we're 20k ahead in
can you shut the fuck up bighat you arrogant nigger all of your posts are dog shit.

>>528773109
That's a good thing. Fuck guntrannies.

>>528773845
never have a read such a whiny and faggoty post in my life before
you win the faggot award of 2025 and the year isn't even over

>>528773571
would be more impressive if you didn't have a massive nw advantage over her

>>528773571
You literally have 6k more than the Geist and are fighting 2v1

I hate your webms

>>528774386
yes we are aware you are a delusional schizo faggot who hates the Dynamo poster but can you shut the fuck up about it no one actually gives a shit

>>528774312
its just to show you can build him that way and it's more viable and useful than support builds in any but premade games
we still lost that game

>>528774678
>support character takes all the farm for a meme build
>HOW DID WE LOSE

retarded

currently tanking my rank playing lash
why is it that his ult feels like mapwide when an enemy plays it yet is like 10m range when i try to ult in our/their base?
shit sucks

>>528748208
if theres no one-piece swimsuit for geist im gonna riot

>>528774678
>builds gun
>has the most souls
>somehow less obj damage than a fucking spirit pocket
what are you doing nigga

>boot up the game after not playing it since december 2024
>VRAM bottlenecked 20 minutes into my match
yeah, I gotta get a new GPU. Is an amd rx590 gonna be enough for the job?

>>528776513
I'm fine on RX570

>>528775828
It genuinely does not matter who has higher priority for farming, it's first come first serve. I watched the match, and it's not Dynamo's fault they lost.

>>528774678
i think if you itemized properly against haze and didnt ks your wraith so much you might have won

>>528776513
also I gotta add that the new item shop threw me off so fucking bad the first time I opened it that I had to sit there for 20 seconds just to find where basic magazine was

>>528777361
>I watched the match
that's because you were the dynamo in it

>>528777361
>It genuinely does not matter who has higher priority for farming
retarded, if you're stealing farm as a character that does not scale then you're hurting your team

>>528773109
>>buying antiheal now makes lifesteal damage themselves and heal you instead
>>siphon bullets now steals gun damage and converts it into spirit damage
>>ricochet can now bounce and hit allies and yourself
You said these as a joke, but I unironically want this kind of stupid shit. I'm the type of retard who loves buying return fire to melt mcginnis and vyper

Fwiw, I feel your pain. Game needs less mobaslop, it's kinda boring compared to the 4lane shitshow the game used to be.

>>528777769
>retarded, if you're stealing farm as a character that does not scale then you're hurting your team
Pisslow take. It depends on the items you buy. Scaling only matters if your games extend to 40 minutes. If you're ahead as a hero that doesn't scale, then you buy items that shut down their carries to give yours space. This farm priority shit would be true in Dota, but it genuinely does not matter in Deadlock.

>>528746023
>substantiate your criticisms
>uhhh i want more creative kits and uhhh full reworks
>ok like?
>UHJHHHHHH UHHHHHH I JUST WANT FULL REWORKS

nigga that's vague as shit

>>528777769
that poster wasn't be and even if he was I'm glad he pointed that out.

I challenge anyone here to post a game with a support version having anywhere near those kills and farm.

Don't forget kills give more souls now than before, especially towards end game and I spent most of my time "farming" in the enemy side of the map. I never went AFK in our side. My strategy is to push a lane and farm the enemy camps with fleetfoot. All my farm is earned through combat and killing people and I max out quantum for increased ammo and fire rate and I push whenever it is possible. I focus mostly on saving team mates from ultimates and turning fights with mine, healing and chasing down enemies so we can push. Their line up was really good and in the end we lost because I followed a Seven into the mid pit and got focused hard. The enemy infernus built Inhibitor item (or whatever it is called?) and spammed it on me every team fight so I couldn't do anything for 5 seconds. Despite that I did all I could and I don't think I underperformed at any stage of the game.

I play like 4-10 matches a week and am casual. I find building Dynamo like this fun because it is never expected and I get commended by enemy teams and my own every match for building this way. I'm sure double black holes are useful but if you miss that chance you are a walking wet blanket for the rest of the game until they are up again. Not fun.

>>528776513
I'm gonna miss chud abrams

>>528777492
How do you itemize against a Haze other than fire rate reduction and defense items? If the Haze is smart and sticks to a tankier team mate like Shiv or Abrams and shoots you in the back I don't think items will help.

>>528778956
>My strategy is to push a lane
You're doing God's work. There's way too many mobafags that farm all day and refuse to shove lanes. Remember that macro 101 in Deadlock is to shove lanes before making any play.

>>528779106
Well if haze is around her team and you're not around yours I think we found the first problem

>>528770246
Isnt it ironic how the best melee hero rn is the one which can melee punch in range?

>>528779330
I've learned a way to look at the map lanes and drawing a distinct line across them. The line shows control of the map. If we push lanes, we have control over neutral camps. So I usually push a side lane and rotate towards middle lane, taking boxes and camps as I go and pick off anyone who is below my farm. If I get an lane guardian, I farm around our lane and make sure our guardian stays alive as long as I can. 5 minute runes and all of that is in that mindset. Fleetfoot makes a massive difference in how fast you can farm boxes and camps and give chase since he's a slow as fuck hero. Every box and camp you take from the enemy side of the map is farm away from them and they have no choice but to farm lanes and reveal themselves which sets up opportunities for our team to land kills and push.

>>528779684
How is the hero with one of the lowest winrates the best at anything

>>528779684
it's almost as if melee has been nerfed into the ground because alchemist shitters can't press F and simply walk away from melee range against abrams

>>528779106
If you can't kill Haze, then buying resistances and debuffs means you die slower. Kill Haze faster, or remove her with cc.

>>528779336
This. The answer to a lot of situations in this game is to avoid getting in those situations.

>>528779336
What team? I didn't say team. I said team mate as in singular. You do realize she can go invisible and follow a tankier team mate and ambush you 2v1 and shoot you in the back, right? Found your first faulty reasoning.

>>528779907
melee is still plenty viable, the problem is the majority of the playerbase cannot press F or move back, the same way they cannot stay out of range of lash ults or all the other position punishers in the game

>>528779903
His winrate isn't low because he sucks, it's because he's so powerful in high level play that he's auto banned, so he gets nerfed accordingly. Strong laning, team mobility, innate bkb, and an ult that lets him run away, tank, and stunlock.

>>528780050
If she's following the tankier teammate then don't let that tankier teammate walk up to you without having a teammate of your own. Cmon anon it's not hard to think, you should try it.

>>528773571
>hey guys did you know 5k+ soul advantage in a gun meta is really good!
What's the point exactly?
>>528775828
>using support in this game unironically
You and this Dynamo poster are two sides of the same retardation coin, you two should make out

>>528780226
Nothing you said made sense btw.

>>528780471
5k soul advantage means nothing if it's unspent though and in later stages that's not even a final tier item

>>528780507
Basically viscous isn't bad, he just has an extremely high skill floor.

>>528780629
Then why is his winrate 43% in eternus, they should be the extremely high skilled players.

>>528780193
it used to be actually viable instead of just viable against mouthbreathers

>>528780695
Because most Eternus players are actually boosted dogshit. Viscous is the most banned hero in dfn for a reason.

>>528779903
He is consistently picked/banned in ''pro'' matches
>>528779907
>>528780193
You can spam parry and get bluetooth parries, you can spam melee and get bluetooth hits. Melee is too inconsistent and the punish isnt worth the mindgames you have to commit to for it to work.

>umm actually they're boosted
this general just refuses to see logic

>>528781037
in a solo 1v1, melee has its limits. in teamfights having to commit to a parry without rebuttal is huge. this is a 6v6 game, a big ass melee tank forcing gun carries to parry or do a parry mind game is huge

>>528777769
>farm priority
Nigger are you for real, just push your fucking lanes, there's your farm. Prioritise not being a net negatie to the team
>>528780568
Except your example is a 2v1 vs someone who is trying to run away, not fight back. I still don't understand how you can lose a game with a Lash on your team as a Dynamo and a soul advantage, are you the autist who refuses to use ult or what?

>>528782513
Well the Lash would ult and never throw the enemies at me. I can't control the 5 other people on my team sadly and it's a heavily team based game.

>>528783289
You can ask them on voice chat to throw them towards you, communication is really good because it's a heavily team based game.

>>528783859
There is in the EU playerbase a certain group of neanderthal niggers who refuse to speak English and communicate with the rest of the team.

>>528784084
But you didn't attempt to communicate, did you? You just assumed he was a Russian retard.

>>528784084
Played a game today, some snownigger babbled something in snowniggerish and when the other guy said he doesn't know what he's saying he repsonded with "learn russian" in his thick snownigger accent

>fart nights barely manage a few thousand views
lmao

>>528784921
From the people who brought you "ItS in ALPHAAA" comes paid weekly tournaments featuring the same people for 30 weeks straight, brought to you by intel

>>528783289
That's just unfortunate, Dynamo ult + any other well-placed AoE ult (Seven, Haze, Lash) is an easy problem solver for any game. I managed to tame a Lash player once, he hit his ult, I followed up with Abrams ult immediately. Ez teamfights, ez game.
>>528784254
Could be his name. I've been getting a lot of afk farming zigger Vindictas lately, who end up with lots of deaths and either radio silence or no comms except for subhuman screeching.

>>528786019
Vindicta is so fucking strong right now, but she attracts the worst subhumans the game has to offer. Her role is combat support, should be involved in almost every fight that happens forcing your opponents to look up and cleaning up stragglers with the ult. If vindicta isn't shooting at somebody she's wasting her time.

>>528787473
Sothe concept you're trying to introduce here is that Vindicta can act in a different way compared to solo pushing, dying to enemy Lash, then crying ''cyka'' in chat? Unbelievable, I tell you, simply quaint

>>528788157
thats almost like a haze hitting a tower, simply unbelievable

>>528788859
i swear 99% of haze players are afk farming 1v4 ult spamming subhumans but that 1 rare haze faggot that actually pishes and rats objectives destroying them instantly is the best rat you could ask for

>>528789726
I swear they all looked up that one guide which tells to roam and farm enemy jungle and follow it regardless of the game composition, feeding the enemy in the process.

>>528788157
unironically I think the fierce individualism that is driving modern society is the root of all the shitty behavior in games like deadlock. imagine if this type of game was invented at a time when society was in it's post scarcity era with people heavily conditioned to follow through with mutually beneficial teamwork in their daily lives. would we get feeders blaming their team, or would they realize their behavior was a net negative and self correct?

I started playing perma lane and have been having more fun. Even when I push the lane and get countered and die, I still end up with more souls than my team and the lane falls sooner than later. Plus you can tell the enemy gets made when you just keep showing up to green walker every 70 seconds

>>528792614
Then how do you explain collectivist cultures having even worse queues than NA and EU?

>>528792614
Yes, as long as one person can better than another and the concept of ''better'' is not universal. Just know that these faggots will never change and don't let this affect your enjoyment of the game

>>528792614
I can smell your unemployment from here, anon. If you've ever worked a real job, you would know that teamwork depends on each member getting along and having the same goals. Sometimes, there are workers that are great at teamwork, but they don't fit with the culture. It happens.
Expecting randos to work as a team will absolutely never work. Instead of blaming the system and coping about teamwork, it's better for you to find a job, and it's better for the game to put less emphasis on teamwork.

>>528682565
wow the top of this list is looking pretty good-
>pocket a tier
impossible to carry with him, your team will never play off of your afflictions because with pocket's pick rate they likely have never seen an affliction before, especially not what it does when it hits 4+ people
>paradox b tier
f tier character f tier carry
>lash and geist b tier
a tier minimum
>seven c tier
without question s tier

d tier is fine, those are characters that really require your team to do something although ivy can play gun carry build and outperform haze

>>528792614
>all the most notorious selfish players are all ex commie or CPP countries

you sure?

>>528746537
add return fire and metal skin and all the sudden gun carries can't touch you


except for infernus.

>>528767803
i started playing 3 weeks ago and exclusively solo queue
(ignore pocket win rate i only played him in alchemist and to learn how to play the game)
my infernus win rate is 100% across 10 games btw

took threads' advice and communicated more with team and results are in
also Vyper is an insane lane hero and lane partner with this hero (still know nothing about Vyper but they melted all the walkers with me giving fire rate, ammo and heals)

>>528795085
vyper is strong, but I notice all vypers play like crackhead retards and always throw games by getting picked late game

>>528746537
If you know how to make an actual gun build, plated armor sucks shit

>>528795085
dynamo is the only character with a true autowin team fight ult, its even easier to hit those insane 5 man ults with majestic leap/warp stone and vortex web

>>528794738
You mean paranoid subhumans have little empathy and would likely undermine the collective for a tiniest bit of personal gain? Who would have thought!
Speaking of rusnigs and chinks, stealing and cheating are deeply ingrained in their culture, the master-slave dichotomy which leftoids enjoy so much is how their hierarchies are formed, russian culture is prison culture at its base, chinks are tribals with an attitude and 100 years of butthurt.
None of these fags are collectivists and what OP posts are his fantasies about some ''perfect'' kind society, which is never going to happen

>>528795085
I was the anon that suggested you communicate, I came off snarky, but you listened. You have earned my respect, nice ult.

>>528795085
Oh hell yes this is how we roll baby

>>528794285
>>528794738
I said post scarcity not current era "communal"
>>528794424
Statistically I probably make significantly more than you ever will.

>>528750925
they would be cheaper mostly. But that would be good for me. I want to bang a smelly zombie chick and I bet they're deseperate af

>>528781341
Viscous is the strongest hero because of ball. In ball, you take less damage, move faster, and stun on hit. T3 ball lets you use abilities and active items while in the ball. So, now you can use warp stone, phantom strike, and magic carpet to shut down heroes from any position while also stunlocking their carry. If you have T3 cube, now you have a fade and cleanse every 15-20s, and it for some reason reverses direction of your ball for extra combos. If you have T3 punch, now you can spam the best displacement in the game (which is also a charged ability btw) and play pinball.

Why is his winrate so low with something so strong? Try doing these goo ball combos in the sandbox and tell me how easy it is with the buggy camera and awkward steering controls. It takes a lot of skill to do it consistently, but when you master the ball, Viscous is the strongest hero.
Also, current meta favors heroes that counter Viscous. I sure do wonder why.

now that i actually know how to make my own builds, a lot of these items feel like actual overrated trash that should never be used but seem extremely popular
>headshot booster
completely useless outside of lane phase
>headhunter
just bad compared to other options, what build is this even good on? because obviously not a gun build, i think this is something you actually use on a melee build like abrams or calico or something like spirit shiv
>silencer
a worse version of inhibitor, 2.5 seconds of silence with 10 second cooldown is actually useless unless you build around it with duration
>siphon bullets
might be the most overrated thing in the game, too long of a cooldown for it to take more than 550 hp from one person which is pretty much useless compared to other t4 options
>guardian ward
200 barrier? LOL

a lot of these just seem overused for no reason, for example the bebop gun build i first played had siphon bullets in it and i realized there was no real reason to have it since its just useless compared to other t4 options

>>528796052
selfishness is part of the human experience, a post scarcity utopia will not make people friendlier, it will simply shift how egoism is expressed

>>528796605
>siphon bullets
Whats in your opinion a better gun item against HP stacking then? Bonus round: something to be usable on a shotgun heroes

>>528796605
>should never be used but seem extremely popular
They were extremely popular because they used to be overpowered.

> headshot booster
Bought on heroes that have bad lane poke. After that, you sell it.

> guardian ward
The 200 barrier is the least important part. It's the ability range, speed buff, and building into divine barrier. Divine barrier is important because debuff remover no longer cleanses ult effects.

>>528796923
%hp options
toxic bullets and decay is a significant amount alone, i play calico so i mainly use decay and scourge against m&k or abrams, but when i play haze then i am taking toxic bullets and decay and gun damage / anti bullet resist such as lucky shot and crippling headshot before i take siphon bullets
siphon bullets probably should be %hp instead of flat 55 hp, it would make it the actual best option for dealing with 4k hp targets

>>528796605
headhunter is a perfectly fine 1st or 2nd t3 buy, I usually sell later. there's a lot of shooter players here that don't understand there's nothing wrong with snowballing into a mid game item and then selling it later for something else

silencer is situational

>>528796724
very bleak outlook, get some sun

>>528797692
take your own advice, you don't seem to know people very well

>>528796052
>Statistically I probably make significantly more than you ever will
Yeah sure buddy, and I have a 12 inch penis, 2 wives, and a million dollars.

Get a real fucking job, you nepobaby.

>>528797997
go to bed icefrog

>>528777731
I liked the line layout of the old shop a little more but the new icons are way better for figuring out items at a glance.

>>528797997
>actually have 2/3 of the things you mentioned
lol

>>528798176
Foiled again. How did you figure me out? Was it the 12 inch penis?

>>528797848
i'm not the one sperging out because someone was musing about a utopian society

>>528798342
two wives (wraith and calico)

>>528798479
Damn right, I love my BBWs (Beautiful Black Wives). Instead of going to bed, I'm going to buff them next patch so I can jack off to BBWs some more.

who's the best player right now?

>>528665258 (OP)
>It's 100° out in NYC right now edition
Just came back from holiday to this fucking hell. Have to keep a desk fan pointed at my PC just to play deadlock without throttling

>>528799917
Me

>>528800159
jamside...

>>528797692
Why not? You can see how sense of community isn't dependent on the wealth even now. I'd blame lack of nationalism as a main reason but that's not the topic of this general.
>>528797450
>decay
I don't buy it (literally), Spirit burn would work way better on Lash or Calico, or even Abrams. I'd say saving up for Spirit Burn rather than buying Decay ASAP would be preferable.

is this the most broken character in the game so far? or has there been an even more ridiculous carry compared to the rest of the cast in the past

>>528802940
infernus just after flame dash charges got added is the most busted carry of all time

>>528802940
He's up there. Release shiv was legit AIDS (still is lmao)

>game is about pushing lanes and breaking enemy objectives
>the most efficient strategy is to never actually push, just watch minimap and punish any that walks past the 50 yard line

>>528805920
>surrender map control and give them advantage to push any objective, do urn, or even rush midboss if they have the right characters

>>528796605
I love silencer on ricochet builds, but otherwise, just buy something else.

give me a good ivy carry build
and you best ivy images

>>528806508
spirit w/ vortex web and refresher. Make engagements happen on your 4 + 1 + web.

>>528806508
no build but I'm gonna give you one of the very fist ivy pics from back when deadlock had general threads on /v/

>>528806508
Go full gun

what the fuck are we even testing anymore

Should I start playing Lash or Ivy? Can you kill people as Ivy?

>>528808871
Yes you can kill people as Ivy if you are full gun build or in the late game as spirit build. Full gun build you just output enormous burst damage as long as you can aim, and spirit you do a lot of very obnoxious damage over time. You may not end up with a ton of killing blows, but you'll do a lot of damage as long as you aren't wasteful with your kudzu, air bomb, and alch fire in the late game fights.

>post an idea on the forum
>want to share the idea with anons
>scared of some people sharing the idea on discord and other public places

yoshi disaproves ideas that become public

>>528809857
I've posted a bunch of custom hero kits and only got likes and some positive/constructive feedback, just bee urself bro buzz buzz

>>528809857
Cowards never prosper. Man up and post it

>>528810525
>>528810753
i will post if yoshi likes or replies, but i doubt anything will happen since it involves lash
getting more movement and options

>>528811872
>giving lash more movement

???

>>528811937
lash is too predictable
the idea is to give him more options for both bait and/or movement

>>528812089
that predictability is good because otherwise you're eating a spirit burst into death or 10% health for his teammate to pick off

>>528802940
Lmfao.
Lmfao.

2024 April Paradox literally ran around one shotting people. It wasn't until Surefour abused the fuck out of it that it was nerfed. Paradox has been nerfed nearly every patch since then. That's over a year.
Release Shiv's knives legit did like 3x the damage they do now. He also deferred ~10% more damage. He's been nerfed consistently for about a year as well.
Box Calico was very recent and was still far more broken than Infernus. She ran around the map at mach speed just one shotting everyone.

>>528806508
>>528806760
furfag degenerates kys

how does tankbuster trigger 5 times with this bitch when she only used 2 abilities? I don't fucking get it

>>528813990
how is any of this shit balanced? use 1 ability, deal 5000 damage???

>respawn cut when patron drops
dumbest shit ever

>>528808446
nothing. they should just turn the servers off until they want mass feedback. the real playtest is in the experimental branch anyway, this is just a waste of time for everyone involved

>>528813990
>>528814212
im pretty sure multiple sources of tankbuster from different people show up as a single source on the damage report
if 3 people triggered tankbuster, it will show 3 hits but only the icon of the last person that triggered tankbuster

>>528811872
Based, now give Abrams trimping mechanic to his charge and we're really talking
>>528813552
Based as well, animal fuckers get the rope

>Abrams Charge now breaks Vindicta tether
>If Abrams is hit by Holliday's Lasso during his Charge, Holliday is instead dragged behind him

We need more fun and unexpected ability interactions.

>dlg only wants buffs to top 10 characters

???

Abrams charging into McGinnis wall should knock it down and kill everyone it falls on

"NERFED" warden

>>528817306
diarrhea rank

>>528818129
t. carried by spamming discord stacks in queue

>>528816803
>Holliday can't move when lassoing Abrams because Abrams is too heavy, Ivy can't fly with him for the same reason
>Infernus can melt Kelvin's ice path
>Lash killing Bebop makes him leave the game since his goal is now achieved

why does this guy look so punchable?

>>528818271
because he is, and will probably never show up in public because he's talked too much shit

>having a great match
>suddenly cant move
>disconnected
>try to rejoin
>get this
>restart steam, same error, then pc, same
Man this sucks.

>>528806760
i remember everyone being convinced it was the real model because we still hadn't hit critical mass on AI bullshit

>>528795170
ladies and gentlemen, your only gun carry for the night

Just tried the most popular gun (ricochet) McGinnis and it felt shit (no fleetfoot or toxic bullets?). Made my own and it also sucked. McGunnis seems a bit shit now

how.

no actually, how.

>>528820528
just needs a webm of this guy randomly crouching constantly during gun fights

>>528820528
why bother building spirit when you can do 1K damage in afterburn without buying a single spirit item and do 3k in gun damage

>>528821163
when I see people doing this I tell them crouch spamming makes your hitbox bigger in deadlock and half the time they stop

>can't defend my walker because of le epic ricochet

>>528823084
>time to push aww yeah let me get behind this car here
>oh I'm dead despite never being shot once
>billion damage from valve niggerino build >>528820528

>got a survey asking if playing against warden, geist, or wraith is fun

lol

>>528824548
indifferent, no, yes

>>528820528
nigga half your build is t4 items what was this a 90 minute game?

why are there so few high skill ceiling characters?
>holliday
>lash
>pocket
>shiv
>sinclair
>viscous
>yamato
there are so many characters like haze, ivy, infernus, wraith, and warden that are literally hold click and walk forwards while occasionally using your abilities, not enough characters like those listed that have a shit ton of mechanics and require more than just aim

>>528825313
I don't think there's a single high skill ceiling character, pocket and viscous come the closest to requiring skill imo.

>>528825313
You forgot bebop my friend haha

>>528825313
>holliday
>shiv
>yamato
>sinclair
>"high skill ceiling" when they literally hold leftclick (or melee) and walk at you too

>>528825905
Sinclair and Holliday are high skill ceiling. Barrels and bolts are an artform. The rest IDK

>>528825313
why would there be crazy high skill ceiling characters when they're just working on a base 30-ish character for launch? crazy skill ceiling heroes usually come later

>>528825313
>Shiv
>High skill

please stop putting my in lobbies against 6 people that know what gpm is while I have a team of 5 mouth-breathers that are constantly 10k behind that somehow manage to drag the game out for 40 minutes

>>528825313
brainless gun damage and free stun
brainless stun ult
pocket is actually skill ceiling but he sucks
shiv lol
sinclair lol but for his ult
viscous skill ceiling real
yamato lol

>>528813552
she's fun to play, relax anon

>>528825313
infernus is easily the highest skill ceiling character in the game

>all solos vs smurfing 6 stack
excellent matchmaking volvo, remind me why anyone would play this shit

>lose 3 games in a row
>lose 3 ranks
>win 12 games in a row
>gain 1 rank
is joke yes

>>528832565
same thing happens to me lol i dont know how this game has a worse rank system than marvel rivals

>stuck in alchemist
>my games can simultaneously contain both a smurfing Eternus and a guy who literally doesn't that parry exists

There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone, in fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape, but even after admitting this there is no catharsis, my punishment continues to elude me and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself; no new knowledge can be extracted from my telling.

>>528816803
those are retarded changes

>the afk give up mid fight
Sad. They were winning and then decided to teamfight while we had rejuv.

Also is it just me or is Jug just so much better than plated armour? I think just because it also seconds as a mobility item

Announcement: The fortitude meta is now over, make way for the Fury Leech go fuck yourself I just healed 2500 from one mag meta

This game made me more racists

>>528837326
I keep getting brown people in my games
most retarded mother fuckers on Earth

>>528833227
>Some black guy has opened the cab door for Daisy and she steps in daintily and the black guy holds it open for me too while I get in, waving, nodding to Bethany. "A tip, mister," the black guy asks, "from you and the pretty lady?"
>"Yeah," I growl, trying to check my hair in the cabdriver's rearview mirror. "Here's a tip: get a real job, you dumb fucking nigger." Then I slam the door myself and tell the cabdriver to take us to the Upper West Side.
The moral of this story is don't take comp too seriously, I see my teammates losing their minds all the time. You win, you lose, mirage is aids, whatever.

>>528832565
>emissary 5
>carry 3 matches in a row
>no rank up to emissary 6
>lose 1 match, still carried my team btw
>derank to emissary 4

>>528832687
i quit marvel rivals for this game but i might just go back, solo queuing there is unironically easier than this game since you don't need to worry about seven saving ult for deadlock 2 or a shiv 1v4ing

or a melee bebop somehow doing less damage than ult only dynamo

this is fun

>>528838617
try this one its even better

>>528820528
would really prefer if deadlock leaned away from hyper carry and hyper support type heroes. Infernus here bought superior duration, couldn't he buy knockdown for extra long stun time? Certainly a stun would go a long way in a teamfight

>>528837681
>0/8 wraith
Horrifying. Also is that a real quote from American psycho

>>528838975
I like leap's barrier and short CD

infernus
>damage amp ability for 40% damage and -33% less healing on target as well as 35% less move speed AND life steal on target, essentially always able to be used
>fire dash that allows you to move insanely fast and has slow resist, very short cooldown with ability charges doing pretty ridiculous damage over time and decreases fire rate a significant amount
>afterburn passive, ridiculous damage over time that also takes away spirit damage
>an ult that is a delayed explosion granting lifesteal, not actually that strong until you realize it counters:
>dynamo ult even while inside of it
>haze ult
>holliday ult, while inside of it
>lash ult, if he is retarded and pulls you just as it explodes
>mo ult, while inside of it
>warden ult startup

>can add toxic bullets and ricochet to damage over time the entire team on a similar level to pocket's ult
>does not need a single spirit item to be effective

THIS NIGGER HAS NOT BEEN NERFED YET

WHY DID THEY NEUTER HEALING REDUCTION

>grants you 2m/s*(0.5) + 0.002 for every 0.03 points of spirit + 8% extra health divided by 1.2^^^0.1*(1.0) for every 0.005/2+4-6 gun tokens and also grants +7 out of combat regen (CONDITIONAL: out of combat)
Do the people at valve even know what the sun looks like?

Pic related would save deadlock if ported over with minimal changes.

>>528846787
you get that thing away from me

hey everyone. isn't the game just shit? oh yeah and I'm uninstalling btw. I'm done, I quit (for real this time)

>>528846787
actually would be kino

queuing a paradox game. wish me luck. will post results.

my total win rate is 64% across 242 games.

>>528846787
Jesus. The only good thing about Leagu was at least some of the bitches were hot and the monsters cool. What the fuck is that thing. A contender for the worst hero design I've ever seen.

>>528847365
elaborate

>>528847170
yes i agree i am quitting too right now anon i just uninstalled actually

guys my dog's uncle works at valve, they're making plans for Relic the deadlock 2 card game

>>528847341
without question the worst & most useless character in the game

It took a little while but we're back to the thread being on total life support. Page 10 bumptroon is gonna have to get to work again.

>>528851197
at one point this character may have been legendary, but now it just needs removed because you can get literally 0 value out of this bitch

#1 wave clearer NA
they got rejuv like 3 times and never killed us in base lmao

Friendly reminder that if your matches are below phantom don't bother posting them.

>>528856615
or what?

>ugh I need to forget about this crazy NYC mayoral race
>*loads up virtual New York game like a boss*

>>528856615
pls enjoy game

>>528856728
Then you get the unfriendly reminder, retard.

>>528856852
damn you really got me

they gotta add a grappling hook type spiderman swinging hero that uses the tall buildings to swing around. post that on the forums ok thanks

>>528856974
Retard alert

>>528856615
what region?

it actually cringes me out too much sometimes the playstyle of people that are abusing meta shit, they always hold W and push stupid shit because they know they can just get away with it

Maybe we don't need a ricochet nerf, just an upgrade to return fire to really punish these assholes that can get away with holding M1

>>528858994
superior cooldown superior duration return fire upgrade metal skin cooldown rotation + plated armor for extra measures
immortality to haze, wraith, and most of infernus damage
mirage will still find a way to kill you

>>528858994
Maybe like a reverse buildup meter where if you're shot X times by an enemy hero within Y seconds they stun themselves

*macros u*
hehe :)

>get bad net jitter for nearly a year
>check my internet, its fine
>other players in the same game getting the same thing
>check forums/discord
>"we think we fixed it" from a couple months ago
yep you got it great job guys

>>528858994
Ricochet just shouldn't apply procs to secondary targets

>>528858994
Return fire should get an upgrade that reflects on-hits

>>528861578
Maybe just have on hit effects build up at a 65% rate or have a 65% proc chance in the case of mirage and haze.

>make fresh account to test new heroes
>capable of rapidly ranking up and already past my peak and hit phantom 3
uhh the rank system really is dogshit huh

>>528833580
>>528837681
is this the most braindead fucking retard gameplay ever?
>shift
>press 1, 2, 3
>win fight
>losing fight? press 4
>press 1, 2, 3
>win fight
Geist is literally the equivalent of being a nade spammer in COD and thinking you're good

>>528868203
all that matters is how you perform in the first couple matches on your account

>>528868203
>be emissary 6
>lose a close oracle 2 match
>derank to emissary 5
DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE??????????????

>>528869265
holy fuck that was an eternus player???????????? jesus im emissary 5 right now doing the best on my team in the most stacked lobbies i have seen in my life, why the fuck am i not oracle rank or higher?

i didnt wanna have fun anyways

>had dual guns and a charge ability
fuck

really tired of players farming all game then steamrolling a lone until th epatreon

the fact magician has been allowed to exist as is for so long tells me this game has a grim future ahead of it

>>528872081
>make debuff remover work while in the bunny state
Bam, fixed

>>528872137
he's still lane hitler and shits out absurd amounts of damage early game for no reason, normally this wouldn't be as horrible but laning is far more important now so it's a real pain point. debuff remover working on bunny would be a start though.

>It's another fed Shiv just holds W on everyone and kills them with his autoaim 30% HP execute episode
Is there a reason this hero hasn't been completely reworked

>the rejuvinator is descending nigfernus pov

>>528875161
kino

>went against 3 smurfs tonight
>all of them were queued with a low rank buddy
well that's really fun

So now that the majority of the playerbase is seemingly in Emissary and Archon what is the new "decent" rank? Oracle?

>>528773571
>as a "support" anyway?
stop being a deadweight useless tranny begging to be carried while offering nothing useful and stop building "support' you stupid talentless retard.
build damage.

any tip on how to handle viscous while he ults? Also what's the use of his fist

>>528825313
>>holliday
the only people who say holiday takes skill haven't played her.
it takes 0 skill to
hit space bar, 1, punch instantly to collect your free nuke in lane and then instant lasso combo late game.

>>528847365
Fizz mogs every league woman.

>>528880920
Her lasso hitbox is also extremely forgiving

>>528880345
woah there dude calm down tranny

>>528881418
you aren't fitting in, newtranny

>>528881459
>you aren't fitting in, newtranny
trying really hard arent you today

Damn Mikaels even LOOKS autistic

>>528881941
>has 3400 hours in a game that
>isn't even out yet
>has barely been out for a year
I can't imagine him looking anything other than disheveled

>>528881941
>normal looking kid
>DAMN HE LOOKS AUTISTIC RIGHT GUISE
Spoken like a actually ugly fat autist yourself and if you're an actual adult that's even more pathetic
inb4
>not a kid

>>528882465
Mikaels is 20/21 now so depends on if that's kid to you or not

so this guy just hooked someone and it was 10 seconds on CD but one punch and his hook came back online. I don't play Bebop so what resets his hooks CD? Vid in question: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8HnWu88loGw?feature=share

>>528883998
Uppercut upgrade

>>528881085
slampig

>random low elo game taking a break from work
>enemies calling us dogs constantly
>pausing 3 times right at the end and saying 'go cry'
i'm just fucking around playing videogame fellas chill

>>528882282
guy has played this game more than 9h every day on average for the past year
jeeesus, gotta be autistic

>>528886851
He lives in Finland there's nothing to do out there brother

What's a good place to go for a build advice? I feel like most builds out there are either bad or outdated and I'm currently too bad at the game to make my own

>>528886947
how the fuck does he pay rent

>>528874880
have you tried slowing hex
or healing reduction
or kiting
or cc

>>528881941
wdym? thats an average fin

>>528868494
I played competitive and we had a really weak player on our team that wasn't shaping up the way we'd hoped coming into a tournament so we just put him on geist every game and he stopped feeding like a retard because swap would give us enough time to react to his tactical feeding. Wild.

>>528887020
Honestly, games call for different things for like 80% of heroes. If you're analytical in how useful items were after a game you'll naturally improve at building. "Yeah this knockdown was really good against Seven. I'll continue building it against channeled ults."
"This decay just completely shut down geist. I'll keep that against her."
Stuff like that.

>>528887084
lmao. I know a guy from finland who is 30 now and hasn't worked a day in his life. yet has had an apartment this entire time and his family just brings him food regularly. the reason northern europeans do well competitively is that they can literally afford to just not work their entire youth.

>>528887084
I've spoken to guite a few Norwegians and Finns in Deadlock, none of them had a job

tell me why I would ever buy decay over toxic bullets
>doesn't take up an active
>improves gun damage
>actually procs spirit effects unlike decay
>decay does CURRENT % HP, toxic does max % dot
decay is so dead right now they need to just drop it back to T2.

>>528880402
stuns and knock ups fuck him. his fist is good for manuevering yourself or pushing people into shitty positions but they can also just parry it so.
>>528880345
>erm actually support is useless that's why healing has been nerfed on repeat
>buffs and debuffs are bad actually
>I'm totally not just attempting to gaslight because I'm a retarded faggot that can't find out how to fit one anti heal item into my 60k build

>>528889002
>tell me why I would ever buy decay over toxic bullets
you're playing Shiv and want to stack Rage before a fight.
that's it.
Decay could unironically be dropped to 1600 with the same stats and it would still be ehh.
I wish healbane upgraded into ANYTHING.

>>528889347
>I wish healbane upgraded into ANYTHING.
It's genuinely shocking it doesn't just turn into spirit burn.

>>528888609
But that's the problem: I keep trying out different things and nothing seems to work. Definitely a skill issue, and vids on yt are giving basic advice, example being ''buy silence against channeled ults'' or ''buy defense based on enemy team comp''. Is there some kind of in-depth guide I'm missing or do I have no choice but to get gud?

>>528889468
Green into violet, yeah. But then it could be a nice item on Lash and Abrams

>>528889624
>''buy silence against channeled ults''
well just to be clear on that silence doesn't stop a channel once it's begun. it's not like dota. you'd need knockdown for those. but yeah generally silence would be good against heroes that wanna cast a lot. hex would be good against heroes with movement like wraith, pocket.
>>528889734
Fun fact. Healbane used to be a purple item.

>>528889283
you're the type of tranny to type all of this shit out and then is this ivy every game.
the ball and chain everyone dreads to have on their team.
HEALBOTS ARE FUCKING USELESS
THEY WILL ALWAYS BE USELESS
YOU ARE FUCKING USELESS
YOU ARE A BAIN ON EVERY GAME YOU INFECT
STOP BEGGING TO BE CARRIED EVERY GAME BECAUSE YOU'RE A RETARDED FAGGOT WITH NO MACRO OR MICRO SKILL AND JUST WANT TO SUCKLE THE COCK OF THE BEST PLAYER ON YOUR TEAM INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY BEING USEFUL
only retarded dogshit trannies defend useless """"""""support""""""" builds.
which I can promise you are one.

>>528889002
decay is something you spam off cooldown if someone even enters your vision for 1 second

>>528889919
more buzzwords please

>>528890104
I accept your concession, freak.

>>528889919
>>528890256
I accept yours.

>>528889814
curse also interrupts. but is really expensive.

>>528890496
Yeah, and that 9k nigger Ivy was in my game.
you won coinflip after coinflip with the better team, you had 0 impact on any of those games you useless fucking bot.

>>528890654
yep I'm the bot meanwhile you're sitting in fucking archon.

>>528890953
>got boosted while healing nova and rescue beam were auto wins that took no skill
LMFAOOOOOOOO
no way you think this is impressive tranny.
go play Seven for a week, i'd LOVE to see you drop to Seeker when you actually have to think.

>>528891106
the fact you think seven requires thought says it all

>the tranny says as he abused Rescue beam healing nova ivy for weeks
LMFAO

>healing is useless
>WAIT YOU'RE ASCENDANT 6 HOLY SHIT UHM UH ACTUALLY IT'S WAY TOO STRONG
make up your mind retard

Please post more sub 1 KD warden scoreboards those are pretty entertaining.

>>528890536
>Healbane used to be a purple item
that makes too much sense
>hex would be good against heroes with movement like wraith, pocket
I'm just saving up at this point and buying Curse, should I go for cheaper options mid-game instead?

>retard thinks healing wasn't busted OP for a while and is now very much weaker, where going full support is dead weight to a team. especially when the game is more orietened for winning lane and snowballing now. rushing Rescue beam and healing nova ensures you lose not only early, but mid game fights since you are now all behind.
>UHHHMM SO YOU MEAN ALL HEALING IS BAD ALWAYS HUH???
why are ivytrannies always so fucking retarded

>>528891527
>that makes too much sense
yeah like their justification for it going green was that it healed but then...

>>528891475
please show us your cut marks on your wrists, you little faggot tranny

>>528891637
Where's the cope for me being ascendant 6 right now then if it's now 'dead weight' to build support?

>>528891947
MMR stabilized and now you can feed to your hearts content without dropping, at least for a little while until your losses start outweighing your fraud wins from abusing no skill shit to get there.
i'll be laughing at you all the way down.

>>528892112
>he types as he spams warden ult and gets gatekept by archons

>DUHHH YOU ARE WARDEN PLAYURRRR
I queue white on every character except for Sinclair, tranny. the game rolled warden that time.

>>528891653
Can't wait for dual color items then, and colorless and universals at this point. So we could add a ''card game'' to Deadlock's genre together with movement shooter, MOBA and hero shooter.

It's good to be a silly little dog — you get to play Deadlock Experimental.

>>528892345
>shying away from one of the most micro intensive heroes in the game while shit talking me about my micro skill
lol lmao

>implying current Sinclair takes any skill whatsoever with how absurdly overpowered Rabbit Hex is on top of his disgusting safety and base stats that guarantee an auto win early game
Ivy trannies don't even play the game.

>>528887084
mommy's wallet or tardbux, nordic countries are extremely forgiving to neets

>>528859415
APR

>every e6 streamer is smurfing
why even title your stream e6 then you fucking niggers? hang yourselves, I don't want to watch your stomps

>>528894372
what's worse is those niggers are sitting in stacks to beat down on archons in solo queue. games a joke.

>>528894882
only mikaels 12 hour no life streams can save me from this nightmare

>>528892409
what am i supposed to be seeing here?

>>528889814
Meant to reply to you originally but whatever. I feel like shotgun heroes can't function in current gun meta regardless of build so you will build tank (Abrams, Shiv) or spirit (Pocket, Abrams too maybe) and still be an anchor till the end of the game. Or you can try building gun Shiv or gun Abrams and watch everyone else outdpsing you and build antiheal items

how do people play gun heroes in a juggernaut plated armor world?

>team mate is afk against two fags taking aggressive angles to heckle me in lane
>get low, rush healing rite and go boxing mid at 2m real quick down the sewer
>ping brb
>start to climb back up the stairs to lane as the wave comes in, missed nothing
>he tried to 1v2 them, got low, and is yelling at me for not helping him
how are these people so blind deaf and retarded I told him I was leaving

>>528897628
By building even more firerate and antiheal

>>528897628
>plated armor
APR has higher prio over it so it fucks over it
>juggernaut
1v4ing the one guy that was actually smart enough to buy and walking over the rest
if everyone bought it, the rope is the only choice

>>528898718
>the only decent antiheal left is in fucking spirit burn

>>528898532
>be Abrams
>hear team crying about enemy pushing into a walker
>go in, signal ult is ready, ult into the middle of them, charge
>team stays in the back, shooting creeps, ignores me while I'm running back to heal
>walker falls, ''gg no help'' is heard in the chat
Situational awareness is not an easy skill apparently.
On the flip side, recently got a team which waited to get in after I got my ult off, pushed lanes and didn't run in 2 vs 6 hoping for the rest of us to magically telepost in after 5 seconds. Its such a great feeling to play with the actual people, can't wait to get out of pisslow to see this more often.

>>528898928
>1v4ing the one guy that was actually smart enough to buy
Its me, the one guy desperately and fruitlessly asking teammates to build it too is also me.
>>528899160
Respectfully disagree, toxic bullets is very good since it works with ricochet and is absolutely insane on Infernus, Haze, Warden due to it

>post a play
>OH HE WAS ALREADY LOW
>OH YOU HAVE 3K MORE SOULS THAN THEY
>TRANNY TRANNY TRANNY
>I FUCKING HATE THAT HERO DON'T POST IT
>ONLY MAKE META BUILDS
>WHY IS THIS META BUILD SO BROKEN


Why is this general infected by these kinds of sub humans?

most autistic worthless fucking faggot I've ever seen in my life fuck off back to NA you autistic nigger

>>528901572
shut the fuck up, Bebop

i hate when the game only has 10k players, because im gonna play one bad game and im for sure gonna get one of you faggots complaining about me ITT
like fuck yourself nigger i know i played badly you dont have to remind me

>>528901971
when we did inhouses people wouldn't shut up after getting their asses raped because they were just messing around bro lol (max cope)

>>528901971
I shit talk at least 1/3rd of my matches in voice chat and have a very flammable profile.
never once been posted here.

>>528901971
10k is a huge number, you won't see yourself in here at all statistics wise

>>528901572
most lash players are like this, especially ones going the incredibly basic spirit lash build. it's very easy to snowball off of random ganks so they get a big head thinking they're actually good when that's what the character does by design

How do you win in this meta when no on in your team is communicating? despite being told to retreat, 3 of my retarded teammates rush into a lane with no objectives, they died.

>>528904841
>the way lash works makes his player act like him

>>528904876
like you always have since this dogshit 3 lane rework.
Pick a gun character and splitpush.
you have 0 other ways to carry in this dogshit game, especially after this dogshit patch.
this patch is unironically one of the worst I have ever seen and I played league for like 8 years.

>>528905097
the only dogshit about this meta is gun. it doesn't make sense why gun heroes can just do so much damage.

>>528838975
>item description says "doing any action will dismiss the carpet"
>gets cancelled by any damage from abilities or items that linger even if you casted them 10 seconds ago
its painfully mediocre

>>528905447
that's how all mobas work, bro. gun characters are useless early and scale to late game.
the problem in Deadlock is that you don't need to build pure glass canon like you do in League.
if you aren't building pure damage in League (two defensives) you're doing no fucking damage to people with armor.
you build defensives in this game on top of your gun items you're doing cancer damage AND are surviable to nukes.
gun investment cap needs to be higher with lower damage across the board.
incentivize full gun builds to do damage unlike the current patch so the gun carries are one shotable unless peeled.

>>528904841
I like playing vs these guys, provides for a fun banter, win or lose will commend afterwards. Bit of playful talk mellows someone like that out considerably, in my experience at least.

reminder the best way to defuse two retards arguing in voice is to go "can you two just fucking kiss already?" or if someone is flaming you you say "say that again and i'll kiss you on the lips"
works every time.

>>528906165
direct league comparison doesn't work here since anyone with a brain is stocked up on at least disarm or two CC actives

Le sigh... gun kelvin is back kelvin xissies..... we're gonna get ANOTHER nerf......

Why does everybody who play this game sound like a retard

>>528912483
because we are

>>528912483
read your post out loud and realize you are no better

>>528881941
he looks cute i like him because he basically taught me how to play deadlock i watched all his videos and went from being really bad and stuck in alchemist to getting to archon in about 10 days so i really like him and think he is cool with the best content out of all the deadlock content creators

>>528889002
>get hit by decay out of nowhere
>i now have half my hp
>fuck i have to go back to base-
>have fortitude
>go crate farm for 20 seconds to get to full hp again

>>528916335
Is this a copypasta?

>how fun is it to play against mirage
How do I put 0? Seriously, I don't remember this cunt being this annoying

>>528918521
Sandnigger is so stupidly broken, he's literally jesus in all parts of the game. People cry about Infernus but sandnigger is just as bad.

>always have objective dmg
>always have most damage
>always have least deaths
>always have most kills
>always lose lane last
>hardstuck initiate and seeker with mostly loses

Am I really that bad? I don't care for rank that much but my phantom friend said I should kill myself.

>>528919321
i don't understand how can someone end up in initiate under any circumstance

>>528919948
You can be like me, take a break from the game, return, get on a loss streak, never recover. Or you can be ansolutely unskilled and bad at the game. Also like me.

>haven't played Mo in a while
>lane partner is a Seven
>he doesn't do any damage when i combo
>check his items
>he rushed healbane
>to counter mirage's mystic regeneration

>>528921187
i took a break and dropped from low phantom/high oracle to low oracle/high archon

>>528921704
Well, you are simply better at the game and will recover some day then.

>>528921254
kinda stupid but healbane on seven is usually a good choice so gun carries are forced to leave during ult

>>528922436
I don't disagree but it's not something you should buy as your first item.

>>528922567
my expectations for the average player is so low I will forgive them for rushing a shitty core item in lane

>>528812089
If you want lash to be less predictable, then the stomp needs to be easier to dodge.

>>528923086
NTA, but I strongly doubt they're gonna tinker much more with lash. giving aerial characters more options just infringes into other possible character playstyles, see skyrunner and swan in the unreleased heroes list. unlikely they're gonna have big teamfight ults

>>528880402
Stuns and knock-ups. When he has T3 ball, silence wave or curse becomes very important against him. The ball is hard to control, so climbing up, standing near cover, hiding in juke closets, etc is a good way to make him waste his ult before he has his active items.
Also, they made the camera fucking awful in a stealth patch, so being indoors means Viscous can't see while balling.

>400 pound fat old man sneaks up on a lil Haze and sucks up 2400 souls
also love debuff remover

>>528924526
I see that the stat bars are broken. Most items are gun but the bars show you have maxed spirit

>>528889624
Learning hero interactions and which items actually work requires trial and error. Someone showed me their approach to builds and it has worked for me.

> Synergy takes priority over value pieces
> Generalist items always beat niche items unless your hero or team comps makes it not niche
> Don't buy items that require other items to have value. Assembling exodia for your 60k build is what loses games.
> Cover weaknesses only when enhancing strengths does not help you win.
> Make sure your build contributes to the match at every stage of the game.

>Step 1, become Gundamo.
>Step 2, steal enemy neutrals all game.
>Step 3, have dumb people approach you thinking you're a free kill.
>Step 4, kill them and steal their farm.
>Escalate
shrimple as that

>>528925038
Noticed that too. It's maybe passive spirit gain via boons? Not sure. However Open Wounds gives spirit, as does recharge upgrade and the reload imbue. Both only affect his one and only damage skill.

Dynamo gains a lot of spirit for free with levels, but only if you manage to actually level. I also collect a lot of statues and vending machines from the enemy side of the map but I don't think those affect the bars?

>>528925038
>>528926006
> It's maybe passive spirit gain via boons?

The bars are a nonlinear scale of how much souls you have invested. The more you invest in one color, the more souls it takes to move up a tier. So, an entire inventory of purple items will give the same investment bonus as one 3200 and one 6400.

>>528926636
I see. Doesn't make much sense here. Guess the bars are just broken.

>>528906165
Most other mobas have range and mobility limits to their auto attack carries, while also not being able to move and attack. Every gun carry in deadlock effectively has infinite caitlyn range and infinite kaisa mobility, while also not having to stand still to fire. The design concept of ADC just doesn't work in a third person shooter.

>>528924526
>>528926006
>lowered the resolution so we can't see the soul diff

Why do so many league trannies play this game? Fuck off

Petch todgay?

>>528927701
this game really feels like valve is trying to poach ex league players desu

>>528927440
Had to to squeeze filesize. Vs Infernus we were the same farm @ 24k. The Haze kill was already us winning and I had 9k advantage but I bought Frenzy which didn't proc because she couldn't actually damage me lol.

The more league references and analogies I add to my feedback, the more views and reacts I receive on the forums.

>>528927896
Valve poached ex-riot devs to work on Deadlock, and it explains the change in direction the game had compared to last year, for better and for worse.

>>528925694
> Generalist items always beat niche items unless your hero or team comps makes it not niche
> Don't buy items that require other items to have value. Assembling exodia for your 60k build is what loses games.
Now that you mentioned it, thats what I was doing for a while. Thanks I'll keep this in mind.

They should add the league of the legends to deadlock lamo lol I'm so funny

>>528927969
you probably photoshopped shiv's soul count onto infernus' and infernus actually had 8k

>>528929916
oh shit you got me

oh so you can ground dash with calico

>>528930132
I suggest we force every politician to play 100 hours of deadlock. I can guarantee russia will be nuked immediately after

>>528665258 (OP)
UPDATE THE GAME NOW!!!

>>528932513
>walks to the other side of the sidewalk

WAT

>>528928374
for the better I think, all the moba players I know irl are all ex-league players. all the dota guys are still playing dota off and on. deadlock is hitting that classic league itch without really infringing too much into dota land which I think is very appealing for the older crowd

>>528934351
had something similar too but it was a yellow item

>>528934734
but icefrog from dota is the main designer reportedly

>>528934351
Lmao I got 3 of these in a row

>>528934734
Its clearly way more dota than league, from denies and map to hero design. I know you are baiting, but bait should be believable

>>528934734
I don't think it's for the better. All my tf2fag friends have left or play once on a blue moon, and you can see the same with other anons on this board. To each their own I guess, but there isn't many shooters that scratch that same itch.
It's obvious that valve wants moba plays to be a thing like punishing players for being out of position or picking bad fights, but when you have such high mobility, the only way for that to work is to give everyone a shitload of CC so they can't run. I can see why my friends left. Easy access to removing control is the worst thing you can put in a movement shooter, and you really can just dump a ton of bullshit on someone before they can react in Deadlock.

>>528934351
There's a bunch of old items with assets still in the code that were washed out even as far back as Neon Prime days, the feedback tooltip is just blanket pulling from everything still in the item shop assets.

>>528936776
>all my tf2fags have left

this game isn't TF2 or TF3 and isn't trying to be

wtf I love Shiv now!

>>528940780
oh shit forgot, inb4 autist asks
>me: 36k, Haze 45k

>>528940780
the comedic timing is impeccable

>>528940780
>didn't activate fleetfoot

you might have survived that if you did, tut tut

>gun meta
how?

>>528942109
:(

Yoshi-man... the patch....

>>528906165
>Leaguefags when the enemy carry doesn't die in 0.5 seconds after being initiated on
It's been a joy this past year and a half watcing League of Legends fags get absolutely filtered.

do you use citadel_unit_status_use_new true anon?

>>528943913
No. Makes it actually harder to spot enemies.

>>528943391
carries do get lit up here, you just need to actually build for it properly, aka slowing hex/KD, and then disarm or silence

>>528945838
Exactly. They do in Dota too. You just have to actually itemize for it. The simpleminded Leaguetard just can't comprehend it without daddy Riot telling them what to do.

>>528943391
>lifestealer egoraptor
neat

>>528943913
need to turn saturation up to tell the teams apart, no thanks, my eyes get tired faster

>>528937548
Says who?

>>528947928
is the game titled team fortress 3? is it a first person CTF or payload game?

>>528948009
> is it a first person CTF or payload game?
Not first person, but it kinda checks the other boxes.

I don't recall ever getting a double kill with one melee swing before

Also I think I've come to the conclusion I do indeed miss solo lane. There was something about that felt so individual and idiosyncratic in the expression of skill; where your dominance had nothing to do with your synergy with your teammate against the enemies—the only person you had to adapt to and account for was your opponent. It also just meant the laning went faster if you were a good laner.

However, the interactions between the heroes are pretty great and I would love to hear Ivy and Vyper speak (pretty much everything vyper says is gold). I do hope they reincorporate solo lane somewhere in the game

made it to archon 1 solo queue only about 3 weeks into playing!!! started at seeker 3 or something and used my favorite deadlock creator mikeals's content to learn how to play the game better, only 1 rank away from real matches with real people

>>528953356
this is my first moba type game and i came from marvel rivals so there was a pretty steep learning curve of a whole week but after i started watching good players play i learnt a lot and climbed through ranks pretty quick

>>528948839
The true rare event is when you and enemy both finish each other off with a melee

>>528953356
I've always wondered how newbies make it to high ranks and it turns out the anti smurf system just sky rockets newbies on win streaks

No patch makes me sad

>>528954046
makes me glad, rumors of big july patch with new character drop more likely

Rumors are some of the top players use cl_updaterate "64" instead of default 128. Does anyone here stand by this?

>>528954189
A NEW HECKING CHARACTER
HOLY HECKING BASEDEINCE THANK YOU VALVE

>>528953849
I think that happened to me once but I didn't clip it

Who tf bothers watching streamers to l2p anyway? Ah yes, here's a fuckton of jewtube vids showcasing stomps and smurfs, or maybe tune in to twitch like a good cuck to spend 5 hours watching some obnoxious retard play the game instead of playing it yourself.

>>528954480
idk why you would do that, unless it's to abuse some client-sided leniency?

>>528955040
in other source games, if you request too many packets compared to what the server can provide, you give yourself choke. in modern source games this value clamps to whatever the server is set to, but in deadlock you can change it. if their servers are garbage and not actually 128 tick, then the default is too high

Good to know. That might explain the jitter.

the MMR assassins are active today

just here to bump the thread

LONG LIVE DEADLOCK!

When is Mo gonna get some buffs

>>528951054
>I would love to hear Ivy and Vyper speak
Joke about their model sharing would be funny, or some monster girl solidarity

ok vis is just straight up cursed for me
I can never play him
I get 4 mouth breathers vs a 6 man that can team together
no fun allowed

>>528971410
>HAAALP MEEEH HAAAAAALP MEEEEEH!!!
>as they get pushed to the fucking walker 6 mins in
if you cannot into lane def you should just abandoned

https://www.twitch.tv/metro/clip/EasyExcitedIcecreamDuDudu-j5KeKBQ_kU8lVftM high skill eu player btw

>>528974203
everyone has their moments anon

but oh man melee bebop looks fun

>>528974203
>people actually watch this
grim

>>528975546
>everyone has their moments
>the cunt immediately blames everyone else but himself

nah

>>528974203
we get it, rank means nothing in this game

>>528953863
>anti smurf system

Eh? Whatever they have its not working

>>528971410
You can be 3 ranks higher than everyone else in the match and you will still struggle to carry as Viscous. Do what everyone else does: play a braindead carry like Wraith or Infernus to force your way up the ranks. Then, you can actually do the goo. Still very hard to play, and the only viable build right now is ball.

>>528983579
i've been playing gun viscous for the split push potential but it just ends with people whining at me for either split pushing or not being able to carry

plzzzz yoshi allow me to physically harm these people over the internets.....

>>528983718
>i've been playing gun viscous
Don't do that. Do not even look at the gun tab. Trust me, it's not worth it. If you want to split push, you're going to have to shove lanes and rotate quickly with puddle punch. Let the creeps do the work, and distract the enemy team as much as possible so they can't clear your waves.

>beginning of a match
>shiv teammate says "gl hf be gay do crime"
>like 6 people start circlejerking saying "so true", fr fr" and things like that
weird

>>528987851
It's a valve game with a tranimal mascot (ivy) and low stakes gameplay (because it's in alpha), it's no wonder that such vast droves of troglodytes flocked to this game. Death to normalfags.

Where are the new operators Icefraud!?

really my only gripe with gun is that it is just the better choice if you want to win. It shreds objectives just as fast as it shreds heroes. I don't care that it can delete someone in 2 seconds, there are fun items to counter that. I care that a single optimized gun build can tear down a walker in the same time it would take a spirit bebop and lash to kill two walkers while working together

Why is it so hard to get my power slash damage past 600 now while gunniggers can just rush in and kill you in 3 seconds

I hate that they nerfed healing but then add heroes like Calico who have an instant unavoidable skill that triggers all melee items and heals for the same amount a full duration Dynamo heal does. In an instant. Meanwhile his heal disables his attack, slide and jump entirely.

playing abraham is suffering

>>528988408
what a sad existence you have

>>528996474
Eat shit nigger. Get the fuck out of my fucking game, you and the rest of the faggot freaks infesting it.

>>528997356
more buzzwords!

I fucking love smurfs.

matchmaking looks good to me

>>528990889
they should cut the gun damage for walkers!

>>528996385
Just wait for the next patch where he gets nerfed again

how the fuck do i play vyper against dynamo, holliday, warden, yamato, paradox, infernus

any else making bullet trance tech work?

>>528974203
>high skill eu player
>metro
No one takes that clown seriously in any elo or game he touches

>>528974203
is he a furfag?

>>529004625
you shoot at them and they die

>>529004625
antiheal

I don't watch individuals or streamers or anything on Twitch but this place has like daily compilations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPvzHSOVbbk

good for us who can't be assed to follow one cunt everywhere

>>529017345
there are a dozen of these channels and I'm pretty sure theyre automated with scripts to gather the best weekly clips from twitch and concat them together and upload

>>529017345
Most of these are dog shit

i only follow skeletonhoney tbqh
he's the only guy that seems to treat the game as an actual game and have fun while realizing when it's just kinda shit to play instead of hiding behind valve dicksucking like 99% of these mofos

it helps he's actually funny rather than a charisma void

>>528990889
just realized im retarded and I meant to say the gun build could melt 2 in the same time it would take those two to melt one. but I play deadlock, so can you blame me for being so stupid?

>>529025220
I don't follow any streamers, I have too much self respect

Why watch someone else play video games when I can play them

>>529028203
Ideally to learn some tricks or builds, but noone plays heroes which I like and steams regularly

Why do Haze players stay in lane despite being below 25% hp and no green item?

>>529028203
current patch is fucking miserable to play

>>529030029
That's no different than any other patch

>>529030109
honeymoon phase has long been over though so i can actually FEEL how shitty it is now

There was that one patch that lasted like 2 days where deathballing was optimal and it was the best patch by far.

The best patch was when Abrams and shiv were OP and you could actually feel like a tank for once

>>529030656
you could still do that a few patches ago before they nerfed the new purple heal item on spirit shiv
i remember being able to tank 4 people at once in one match and thinking "holy shit this is the first fucking time in 800 hours being 1v2 doesn't feel completely miserable"

>our patron is down and we're losing
>team suiciding into mid; loss imminent
>pull another sneaky back door
Vyper is so funny

>>529034460
>Stadin lähipoliisi

>>529034460
>5vs6
>soul disadvantage
>vs Haze, Infernus, Bbop, Lash, Dynamo
Well done, should have flamed the enemy team in the end more

>>529030656
>>529031426
That's still possible, tankshitters.

>>529034460
perfectly balanced great game design

>try to play game
>sweatlords who are way better than I am on enemy team
>get stomped
>repeat 4 times
can't play this anymore. I don't care about ranks or winning or losing, I just want to have a fun, balanced game and clearly that is not possible. no wonder the playercount is nose diving, this shit is miserable.

>>529030029
why

People keep using "it's an alpha" as a reason a lot of the gameplay elements are bad, but that has no ground considering the changes done have moved the game towards things people complain about, rather than away.

Lady Geist:

>my grenade chunks your health
>it leaves damage AOE too, perfect for stalling a lane, stifling an early walker push, and I can afk farm with it quite fast
>btw if you dive me I terrorblade ult you
>I will easily have the most souls by the end of the match as well as most damage for a hero that doesn't really require advanced decision making
>I will be strong in most all patches and not really nerfed

Viscous:

>People love my movement!
>I have to actually be good at movement mechanics to make the hero work, let alone hit anyone with my clumsy rolling ball ult
>I can reposit enemies too, and do damage in the process, but only if I time my punches well
>My cube can save teammates, but I have to pay attention to timing to get maximum value
>Icefrog has done nothing but nerf me for almost a year now

Was hoping hoopoo and other valve employees would tone down IceFrog's style of balance where "unthinking bullshit is powerful but fluid intelligence deathmatching shouldn't matter" but am not hopeful. The heroes who do insane magic burst damage such as sinclair, Grey Talon, Geist, Mirage, etc, have not had their damage really touched. This is not to mention Paradox who's had her damage gutted several patches in a row, despite the hero being somewhat more difficult to play (Ult, charge shot are extremely telegraphed and you have to aim) Whereas Wraith's ult is a fucking homing missile that cannot be dodged.

>>529046230
geist's only problem are bombs ignoring cover, she's extremely easy to play around mid-late game. while she turns into an unkillable super tank if she snowballs that's literally most heroes.

>crying about viscous nerfs

lmao

They managed to powercreep paradox out of pro play. She's genuinely a terrible pick everywhere now.

no I don't fucking miss old may 2024 paradox, fuck off. next you're gonna cry about missing old pocket.

>>529046230
>my grenade chunks your health
no they dont
>it leaves damage AOE too, perfect for stalling a lane, stifling an early walker push, and I can afk farm with it quite fast
it can only really stall early game, the farm i will give you
>btw if you dive me I terrorblade ult you
why the hell would you dive a geist with ult? it literally says on your screen when she has it
>>529046230
>I will easily have the most souls by the end of the match as well as most damage for a hero that doesn't really require advanced decision making
Maybe most souls if you dont have a seven or calico.
>I will be strong in most all patches and not really nerfed
Good

>>529046821
nah he was perfectly balanced

>>529046230
Also there's been dumb cope about the "changes" to the game. 4 lanes to 3 lanes made the matches more stalemate prone.

>what about the item rework?

Also a nothing burger. All they did was remove the limit on what type of item you could buy, that's not a rework, that's abandoning a feature because...I don't really know of any complaints about the item system. Like who was complaining about that? The only effect removing the item limit had was, inevitably, people going full spirit, or full gun. The change itself is not necessarily bad but it's inline with the "ten trillion magic burst damage is good, actually" thinking IceFrog has

This lets Seven buy lightning scroll, spirit burn, escalating exposure, boundless spirit, mystic regeneration, etc, and if the match is somewhat even, he'll likely get those items because of how fast he farms. I don't really get "it's an alpha" because the changes made are, again, TOWARDS the style of "My ultimate hits everything on the screen and does very high damage and it stuns you". People say they like the gunplay and stamina movement, yet those playstyles are nerfed.

>>529047117
>why the hell would you dive a geist with ult? it literally says on your screen when she has it

Not the point. It causes STALEMATING GAMEPLAY. It takes no intelligence to execute, and pushes the match more towards afk farming. I'm tired of these dumb copes about why the game isn't fun

>>529046535
>geist's only problem are bombs ignoring cover

That's intentional, and a lot of abilities ignore map geometry. Every other shooter game in existence figured out how to use cover to block AOE damage, but Valve can't? I simply don't believe AOE going through walls (idk how many times Infernus' ult goes through walls) is just a bug their engineers can't fix

>>529047215
Oh, the old base. I absolutely don't miss the unfinished rectangular look but there's something completely funny about old Deadlock looking like a 2010s HL2 mod

>>529047556
>shit about things ignoring geometry
some things go through walls on purpose, some things go through walls as a bug and everything goes through 'cover' or around any corner if it explodes correctly

for example, pocket barrage went through walls before, now it doesnt. Mo' scorn goes through walls, probably as a bug.

Didn't some anon do math and calculate that deadlock loses 10% of it's playerbase every week?

>>529047556
>.I don't really know of any complaints about the item system. Like who was complaining about that?

extended slots made late games just a tanky dps slog

>ten trillion magic burst damage is good actually

press TAB, check their build, build a spirit res item if you're a front liner and see mostly purple, not rocket science my man

What do these arrows mean with Abrams' fucking face on them? Does this item scale with levels?

>>529047824
>some things go through walls on purpose
NTA but I don't like this either. Dynamo can save through walls and solid ground, Geist bombs, Holliday barrels, you name it. There's no logic to this it breaks all established videogame rules and seems buggy af

>>529048281
yes

>>529047947
The game will continue to perform poorly with dumb copes that ignore the argument. The issue isn't that no counters exist, the issue is the game is fundamentally unfun with what playstyles it buffed, and what playstyles it nerfed

>press TAB, check their build, build a spirit res item

You didn't address how building spirit resist, buying lockdown doesn't fix the first 30 minutes of the game where he can jungle quickly, whilst also pushing the lane out quickly, whilst also if you aggress on his side of the map, his team shows up, and if your team shows up as well, his ultimate is great in teamfights. The hero takes zero brain power to play, yet has extremely high yields in damage and in map presence. The correct way to play against him is extremely boring.

Repeat, so you cannot dodge the argument

>The issue isn't that certain heroes are unbeatable
>The issue is that the gameplay is unfun

>>529048436
It actually makes perfect sense since he goes into the quantum realm that can travel through solid objects. I think it should just be made so Dynamo can just phase through walls with it himself. :3