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Previously on coped : >>528611287

>Latest News/Updates:

Vermintide 2:
New Map: The Well of Dreams - Live now! Skulls In-game Event - Patch 6.6.0
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/new-map-the-well-of-dreams-live-now-skulls-in-game-event-patch-6-6-0/108063

Darktide:
Free Update: Battle for Tertium - Out Now! (Patch Notes)
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/free-update-battle-for-tertium-out-now-patch-notes/109117
Hotfix #69 (1.8.1) - Patch Notes
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520842750961124013?l=english

>Acknowledged but not really discussed
Ready Or Not
Starship Troopers Extermination
Aliens: Fireteam Elite
Killing Floor 2
Barotrauma
Left4Dead 2
SCP: 5K
GTFO
No More Room in Hell 2
Helldivers 2
Space Marine 2
Remnant 2
Payday 3
Back4Blood
Deep Rock Galactic
Earth Defense Force 6
WWZ
The Outlast Trials
The Forever Winter
and others

>Future games
Killing Floor 3 - delayed
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1430190/view/499441143215293470
Den Of Wolves - TBA
DarkSwarm - TBA
Blight: Survival - TBA
Firebreak - Jun 17th https://www.playfirebreak.com/
Wildgate - Jun 23 or something
Jump Ship - TBA Demo Out

Build planners:
Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/
Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/
Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

FIIIIIIIIGHT OR ANSWER TO ME

https://files.catbox.moe/88ryly.mp4

bros this is the true darkshite killer........

teh luw

blok fodda

lex is the lex

simpel as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQUI8KmRUw0

>>528691212
I don't really enjoy this sci-fi Hellraiser 2 aesthetic a lot of games have been doing like Nu-Doom.

>>528691114
>Mushroom

I have an irrational (rational) fear of Mushrooms because of the fact you have the ultra-mega orgasm mushroom that gives you an anime MILF upon consumption, and then you have the shit-yourself-until-you-die mushroom that looks fucking identical.

Also dislike the texture and taste. Felt betrayal when I bit into what I thought was a chicken nugget only to realise it was a breaded mushroom.

>>528691473
>lex is the lex
What does that even mean.. There's not enough bad ass one liners.

>>528691883
THE LEX IS THE LEX

>>528691680
Same. Bet it will be a melee souls like...

>never bothered doing mortis trials till arbites came out
>that entire memory segment about the desperate eldari trying to make contact
so how many years until we get elf class?

>>528691212
>Eye divine cybermancy devs
>AKA Space hulk Deathwing devs
These fags cannot make good games. Cybermancy is only relevant for how stupid it is. Note: my legs are ok.

>>528692246
>Cybermancy is only relevant for how stupid it is
double jian spotted

>>528691680
I mean, that couldn't more obviously be E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy if they had actually written it out on the screen.

>>528692246
I fucking loved EYE but god damn is it a shit game lmao

>>528691767
Mushrooms are horrific and if we weren't so used to them we would rightly consider them to be some sort of alien or demonic entity.

The creepy finned interriors, the polyps, the loathsome texture, the queasy taste, every time we try to depict anything is disgusting or alien it's just a mushroom. I have no idea how people can eat them, much less eat them raw.

>>528691883
the law is the law. it implies that is unchanging, unambiguous, final, etc
>>528692127
Mortal Shell did that and it's ass even with having varied biomes. There's no cohesive primary aesthetic like 40k is generally high gothic aesthetics with the sci-fi secondary occasionally moving into like fuckin late industrial revolution to early Edwardian/WW1 or something

>>528692138
It would actually be really funny to see an Eldar forced to just use a regular fucking lasgun and being constantly disgusted with it.

I got banned....
Fuck creamapi

>>528691473
That Maul never screams "YOU BETRAYED THE LEX" is a travasty.

>>528692495
>the law is the law. it implies that is unchanging, unambiguous, final, etc
The law is the laws means you can't let your emotions play a role in enforcing it. You might feel bad for a criminal... but the law is the law.

>>528692689
>>528692138
That would be neat. These guys are on about the same level as an Arbites right?

>>528693025
Oh no, this is sort of why alien classes are never going to happen. Random Eldar Conscripts (Guardians) shred normgroid Guardsmen, a Fire Warrior shoots like a Stormtrooper but fights in melee like a Civilian.

Also while an Eldar might be able to fake being some kind of weird Voidborn or lanklet abhuman, the Tau are like, really clearly xenos, and venemously hated enemies of the Imperium who humanity is still seething at over the Damocles Crusade.

Being able to 3 hit bulwarks as arbites is pretty funny

>>528692413
>You gain Brouzouf
>You gain Brouzouf
>You gain Brouzouf
>You gain Brouzouf

Give me your havoc vet builds, mine sucks somehow

Sticky rumbler is fun. I wish the explosion delay and physics of the second hit were faster.

>>528692863
post screenshot

>>528693025
Arbites are pretty elite, when a planet falls the final hold out is typically their fortress. They train at the same school as sisters of battle and commissars.

>reset talents
>make new build
>go back to talent tree
>talents are reset and i have to redo the tree
>this happens 3 times before it finally saves
ah yes i love new bugs every time there's a patch

>>528694725
yeah since tithes are important...

>>528694776
This is an old bug, you just need to fully exit out of the menu until you can control your character, to properly save your build.

>>528693576
A fire warrior doesn’t shoot much better than a regular conscript, but they have better gear.

>>528693576
Aren't we on a rogue trader's ship?

>>528694776
it's not new, that used to happen every time when I left the talent tree in a certain way

>>528694945
shut UP

>>528691212
Saw the /v/ thread for that a week or two ago. I started a replay of EYE, and I'm getting my shit pushed in on Ghost despite running around with Dermal armor. Think I'm gonna drop the difficulty so that I don't have to dick around sitting in corners waiting for energy to recharge so I don't get one shot constantly.

>cracking the dlc doesn't give you aquilas
it's OVER

>>528694945
Yeah, but we're working for the Inquisition, and Grendyl does not strike me as a Gideon Ravenor type.

Is the Nuncio-Aquilla seriously the only worthwhile ability

>>528691546
They don’t look like this
>>528692246
>>528692328
>>528692413
So wait people love EYE but it’s also shit? Lol

Alright, which one of you is this?

>>528695610
Grendyl can suck a fucking dick.

>>528695629
is slamming into people with the full force of the Lex every 10 seconds not good enough for you?

>>528693025
Are you asking that about Fire Warriors or Aeldari? Because both are generally above the standard Arbites. The battle mech suit things of the Tau are a pretty serious force multiplier in that they mass produce them pretty easily

>>528695629
Honestly they all feel very low impact, bash is good but let down by the fact it does nothing to bosses, doom guy mode could have been cool if kills extended the duration but as it is you just hold onto it all game and pop it if you’re stuck in fire, and nuncios buffs are pretty weak but hey more damage dealt is more damage dealt and the toughness regen is better than nothing.

>>528695610
in fairness, we haven’t seen enough of him to say whether he’s a radical or puritan, i think one cool thing they could do is have recruiting Xenos be either rannick’s or Zola’s decision, maybe something happens that pushes them to desperation, and they opt to not tell Grendyl for the time being

Terminus Warrant is better than I thought it would be running a max upgraded shotgun. It's way easier to maintain stacks than I anticipated.

Who's higher on the totem pole?
Inquisition or Arbites?

>>528695629
I like castigator stance whenever there's a bunch of shooters I need to go delete without need to stop for cover since it refills toughness on activation too

>>528694945
I feel like she's allowing way too much shit to happen on board, besides shouldn't she have a pirate empire to manage?

>>528696228
The inquisition.

Did the patch add new missions/areas.

>>528695882
Fire warriors are guardsmen+, Battlesuit operators are between normal SMs and Terminators
Eldar Guardians are guardsmen tier, but Aspect Warriors are closer to SM tier
Arbites are on the same tier as Stormtroopers and SoBs

>>528696408
It added cutscenes that are closeups of monitors with voiceover

>>528696425
Isn't a baseline eldar definitely much stronger, faster and with better reflexes than an average joe? How are eldar guardians guardsmen tier?

I don't know a ton of 40k lore but I like the backstory of my arbites being a heavily armed library janny

chaxechads run this general

>>528696721
there's like 2 of you that thing is fucking trash

OUUUUUUGHHHHH LEXO LEXO LEXO LEXO LEXO LEXO LEXO

>>528696292
Grendy is probably sucking her off under the table somehow. She must be benefiting from this somehow. Doesn't really matter how much authority Grendy has, she's not opposing him at all.

>>528693025
If the Fire-warrior where able to get the drop on an Arbites they would most likely win, due to just shredding them with their pulse-rifle. In an honest fight I would like to believe that the Arbites due to training/experience would absolutely body the common Fire-Warrior. They usually tend to underestimate the raw determination certain individuals of the Imperium posses. But due to Plot-Armor the Human's always turn into complete retards within the proximity of those fucking blue Mary sues.. Fuck I hate GW writing so much.. The Second Agrellan Campaign is the most retarded string of repeated ass-pulls in written fiction.

I don't have motivation to play to this game without my friend

>>528696841
>Three arms

>>528696841
>3 arms

>>528696841
genestealerbros...

Are Mortis Trials worth doing?

>>528696841
The Ordo Malleus aint gonna like this one

>>528696985
>friend
You have a dog

>>528696981
>humans are retarded brainless apes
This is news to no one.

>a little basic shock maul every human class gets is better than the crusher, a two handed power maul only zealot and arbites get
w h y
where the fuck is a new crusher mark, it's been like 2 years

>>528696839
it's dueling sword tier if you know what you're doing and aren't a retard who picked the bad mark

>>528696672
I chose the most innocuous backgrounds for all my characters. I like to pretend they just act tough.

>>528696425
Aspect Warriors regularly move too fast for Astartes to even see. They might not be a strong though, but I’m not sure, would have to go looking through sources for that

>>528697223
I'm no white woman

>>528697286
They need to fix the fact that sprinting cancels your crusher attacks, but it can still 2 shot crushers and does way more unyielding damage

>>528696841
>slop
>not even decent slop
Gay

>>528697286
Crusher is good, it’s special does need some attention though because it doesn’t do a hell of a lot.

>>528695629
They're all meh, either in flavor or efficacy. The knockdown charge is quite good.

>>528697646
Opens up bulwarks which is really nice.

>>528696839
No, it's pretty damn strong. It's just slightly more difficult to use than most weapons, and when there're so many braindead and stupid strong weapons in the game, people are happy to regard it as trash, simple because they're too dumb/lazy to bother learning it.

nu-auric feels like old damnation

>>528695801
>>528697667
If it actually let me dash through a pretty long stretch like with the Zealot or Ogryn I'd say yes. Otherwise it's just a short dash forward...

>>528695970
This. I don't know why the Castigator doesn't refresh its own duration on elite kills or what the fuck ever.

>>528696290
Are you using an Arbites weapon with it?

>>528696672
>take ah the cassette

I have three +20% gunner damage resist trinkets on all my characters. FUCK these Bolivian firing squads.

>>528697737
Used to be nice for stagger crowds too but now it has slaughterer you don’t really need it anymore. At the very least they should just double it’s aoe

>>528696841
ew

there is no haircut option to look like picrel and i'm MAD

>>528697884
bro you use it to knock down those 5 crushers trying to gangrape you

>>528697884
>Are you using an Arbites weapon with it?
Yea, the duckbill shotgun is amazing for deleting squads of gun niggers

>>528697416
Kill yourself

>>528697825
so what is the ideal way to use it? do i ever want to use the special?

>>528690892 (OP)

>>528697884
Castigators would have been kino if elite kills refreshed it or added a few seconds, as it is I pop it to go on a rampage, don’t take any damage during it and realise it just did nothing for me. Very strange ability

>>528696841

>>528698261
I've yet to make it to 30 with Arbites, so maybe that'll prove more useful then

>>528698267
Is it? I thought it would be because I could, theoretically, headshot an entire squad with one pull of the trigger, but more often than not it doesn't even kill them in fucking Heresy unless they're like 10m or less away

>>528698437
I'm saving this image if that's okay

>>528698313
Before the update, it had been a good while since I played Darktide, so I'm not gonna be 100% correct if I try to give you specifics, so in general terms, whether or not you killed elites/specials with light attack spam (using the Chaxe version where lights are single-target bites, not sweeps) or with special + light/heavy. Special use goes down the higher the difficulty. The light spam on that one Chaxe version is highly underrated. I can swap to my Zealot and play around with it if you want more specific info. That's about the best I can give you that definitely won't be wrong.
>what about the Chaxe variant where the lights are sweeps
Don't know. Didn't care much for it.

>>528698070
Arbeetus also gets access to way more cleave
>>528698313
Light, heavy spam against hordes
Push attack against carapace
Special, light, light heavy attack opens up bulwarks and kills them in 2 hits

Get a rending source from your talents amd use the slaughterer and skullcrusher blessings with carapace and unyielding/elite damage

>>528698634
It's all yours, friend!

Give me your best shotgun build, I want to melee as little as possible

>>528698669
>so in general terms, whether or not you killed elites/specials with light attack spam (using the Chaxe version where lights are single-target bites, not sweeps) or with special + light/heavy
Jesus, I can't even get that right.
*whether or not .... or with special + light heavy depends significantly on the specific enemy and what's going on around you. You have to keep in mind the commitment that the rev attacks require.
Fixed.

>>528698313
>>528698757
*special light attack (to the shield) light attack, heavy attack

>>528696981
I think you’re exaggerating with the Agrellan Campaign and the Tau in general. The whole point of the faction is that they’re relatively minor and the winds that they can scrounge up are usually costly and insignificant. Yeah they won that, but it came at the price of the closest thing they had to a religious leader in the form of Aun’va being horrifically assassinated by a Culexus, needed the help of the renegade Farsight Enclaves to win, the planet was largely devastated by Exterminatus and many, *many* of the Tau died. They won but it came at a high price. Likewise, just look at some of their other major conflicts. The Nimbosa Crusade ended in a decisive Tau defeat. Damocles was an inconclusive campaign that ended in a negotiated ceasefire. The Six Hour War, a shoot out between the Tau and Ultramarines saw the astartes outfoxing the Tau and driving to retreat from the planet. The Prefectia Campaign, the one that led to the Agrellan Campaign, was considered Shadowsun's greatest accomplishment but to the Imperium was considered a minor loss and led to the Second Agrellan Campaign that was ultimately exceedingly costly for them. No matter wins the Tau manages to secure, they’re ultimately still a blip on the galactic scale. It’s clear they don’t match up to the IoM overall.

Wouldn't the arbites kill the unsancitonned psyker reject?
Fatshark ruined the lore

>>528698548
With death spitter and scattershot, plus some ranged damage buffs in the tree it deletes packs of gunners and elites, only weakness is it does jack shit to carapace but you do have shock rounds, and it’s boss damage is rather poor for some reason.

>>528698842
Target priority and ranged damage talent for 1 shots

>>528698358
>yeah I killed him. lock me up
>he's dead
>he's dead?
>yeah you killed him with the cake you made to kill him
I don't understand this interaction at all.

>>528698980
the Psyker isn’t unsanctioned. where are you getting that? killing an inquisitorial agent who has already been cleared to serve in the field isn’t going to get the Arbites anything but a stern reprimanding and possibly an execution.

>>528698980
Why would the arbites kill the psyker? They're busy fucking exploding left right and center, no need to waste HOLY AMMUNITION.

>>528699157
>dredd visits cake woman
>dredd says the cake contains a file
>woman, knowing she's been caught, confesses and says life isn't worth it without her husband (hoped file could help him escape I guess)
>dredd says he's dead
>woman, shuddering, asks if he is really dead
>Dredd says he died because he ate the cake (I think the implication is that her bakery skills are shit, but without the full comic, idk

>>528696981
I don't even want to imagine the kind of shit with the Second Agrellan Campaign. Damocles was a hard enough read already

>>528699591
Oh, the guy was in prison and the file was supposed to help him escape. That makes more sense with context.

I just spent an entire h40 sliding around like a retarded ninja because we had no bubble.
We were entirely fine without it and I didn't exactly miss it, that's not my point.
It made me think: Why the fuck can we slip and slide across the ground and magically dodge bullets near indefinitely? I have like 50 toughness or whatever zero investment on zealot results in, and it only took the occasional scratch.

>>528698980
Arbites can kill an inquisitorial acolyte without permission and get turned into a servitor.

>>528699721
Because there had to be a mechanic to consistently dodge ranged attacks to prevent the game from turning into a cover shooter.

>>528699165
none of them mention going to terra and getting hardcore sanctioning
that and constant exploding

>>528699827
The memories of beast man archers makes me sick to me stomach

>>528699827
Yeah but once you get into the rhythm of sliding, there's only a couple milliseconds where you're actually vulnerable and only the densest of gunner fire can even scratch you, it's retarded.
Which also made me realize: All the toughness regen over time that arbitrators have access to is equally retarded when accounting for 'tism sliding. At least their melee weapons aren't as well suited for it, since they don't have a dueling sword, but tac axe comes pretty close in terms of slide abuse.

>>528699721
dreg gunners are counter strike players and only aim at head level

>>528699874
Field sanction in service to the inquisition

>>528690892 (OP)
Thoughts about the different marks for the new arbeetus weps?

>>528699591
It is the full comic, it is a newspaper strip, so it was only 6 to 8 panels
The joke is that her husband ate the cake and choked on the file that was meant to allow him to escape

>>528700207
Both shields have half of a move set I like and it pisses me off, the first shields single target combo is okay, and the others trash clear and stagger is very nice. But the rest of it feels awkward, the mk11 has some nice other heads into upper cuts but you can’t even fucking loop them with the overhead heavy.

>>528700027
>Yeah but once you get into the rhythm of sliding, there's only a couple milliseconds where you're actually vulnerable and only the densest of gunner fire can even scratch you, it's retarded.
The trade off would be to limit sliding and reduce ranged damage in turn. I enjoy the slip 'n slide personally, but I get where you're coming from.
>All the toughness regen over time that arbitrators have access to is equally retarded when accounting for 'tism sliding
Oh yeah. That shit's getting nerfed for sure. It might take them a year to do it, but it'll happen.

>>528700207
Shield + maul VI has two very nice heavy-light combos and seems to deal the most damage.
Shield + maul XI has a really nice horizontal light into I THINK heavy, but I've found it more awkward to use.
The flashbang special seems to be identical on both, but I haven't done any testing. I tend to dump defense because I think it's pretty useful, and power output seems to affect its range.

I don't care for the other weapons.

>>528695629
seems like it
honestly the arbitrator seems balanced
the weapons and movesets are all above average, the talents create a well rounded melee fighter
and somehow it ended up being boring

whats the purpose of special attack in sniper shotgun? it makes a farting noise and deals less damage, that's all from my observation

>>528699157
>>528699591
HOW ARE YOU THIS DENSE

>>528700624
It breaks armor. In brainlet terms: shoot special shell at big bad, big bad take more damage for a bit.

>>528700624
The description says it has "brittleness properties" so it probably applies some stacks of brittleness.

are +21% health, +17% toughness, and +3 stam curios actually providing that little bit extra?

>>528700758
>>528700818
in meat grinder it didn't seem to make any difference, enemies still died to same amount of shots

>>528700624
Applies 20 stacks of brittleness

>>528700587
>Shield + maul VI has two very nice heavy-light combos and seems to deal the most damage.
Go to your Meat Grinder and spam a Crusher or Mauler with lights. Crusher dies to like 2400 DPS with my Mk VI doing that.

>>528700872
debuff mod says 25% brittleness

Anyone else feel you’re basically locked to the charge of you aren’t using execution order? The other two ults have such long cooldowns without it, despite not being massive impact situation changing ults.

>>528700871
i thought it applied electrocute

>>528700871
You're going to want a healthbar mod to actually see how much damage you're dealing. Breakpoints aren't always intuitive.

>>528700850
Iirc stamina need to be above 400 points or whatever it was, otherwise the buggy-ass swedecode UI rounds to +3 when in reality it's +2.
Going from 3x20% health to 2x20% and 1x21% changes my zealot's HP from 340 to 342.

>>528701030
25% brittleness for 8s, is a different source of brittleness than the standard 16 stacks up to 40% that most use, so it stacks on top of that and others
not bad at all to throw on a boss for more nuking damage

https://youtu.be/XQDfwWx1NFk
Why is rannick such a bitch

>almost three years worth of balance patches
>fatshark STILL hasn't provided a tooltip to define what anything (brittleness, rending, etc) means
what a bunch of fucking morons

Inferno is kind of a funny modifier. You would think waves of Flamers and Scab Bombers would be more threatening than most modifiers, but it feels like most of the time when you rock up to the Flamer wave they're distracted by torching up the level spinning in circles than actually turning their attention to you. It's a marked difference from how they're usually locked on to the players as soon as they spawn in and start spraying fire ASAP, makes them feel a lot less threatening IMO.

>>528700850
You mean the very last 1%? Not at all.
But I mean... why wouldn't you get them if you can get them?

>>528701291
his boss delegated the entire planet to him and only shows up to tell him what a shit job he's doing
if swagger is grendyl, then it's obvious that he finds fucking with rannick hilarious

>>528699874
> none of them mention going to terra and getting hardcore sanctioning
Because it’s already assumed. It’s a prerequisite. Inquisitors and their retinues know the necessity of that
>constant exploding
Even sanctioned psykers can explode if they aren’t careful

>>528701291
friends :D

me unga
team galunga

>mission intro dialogue between the 4 player characters
>3 of us are making fun of the agitator zealot for faking a high-class accent and being a weirdo poser
>halfway into the match the director spawns absolute bullshit and we all go down or get netted
>only the agitator zealot is left standing and somehow manages to recover the game
>after getting us up he says "i am a soldier, even if you believe me otherwise"
holy kino

>>528701291
His boss gave him a flaming bag of dogshit and told him to put it out with a thimble of water.

>>528701879
>if swagger is grendyl
this' make no sense

>>528702285
Fem agitator has by far the best VA delivery in the entire game, too. It's so hammed up and ridiculous, it's downright perfect. I swear it's the main reason I keep being drawn to the class. I love my retarded wannabe adepta sororitas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1FfZ3NqRkk

>>528696601
Guardians are untrained militia who never learnt how to fight or use their innate psyker power, they are more or less cheap labor and canon fodder for the Farseer's keikaku, ironic for a dying race. They're at most better than IG Conscripts simply by virtue of their superior weapons and armor.

>>528701839
It's cool. Would be cool if we got more missions like that with even more oblivious enemies. Stealth mechanics when?

>>528698106
>Arbitrator Skril-Lex

I've not heard a single fun voiceline from the arbites yet except for Kerillian laughing

>>528700850
all the curios are "little bit extra". just depends on what you prefer. you can always put the numerical mod on and go in the Meat Grinder and see if the values you get are worth it.

>>528703163
yeah... the fatalist has been the most boring standard voice lines.

>Fucking retard goes down multiple times in auric
>Havoc-Forged

>>528702518
Clare Corbett is great.
I still chose the Scottish girl thoughbeit.

dogtide

>>528703402
>Havoc-Forged
The new ASS. You can corpse-drag a turbo shitter through havoc 40 with a half-decent team. True survivor is the only meaningful title because it's borderline impossible to cheese.
I have some hunches on how it might be possible to cheese but I really don't give enough of a fuck to try.

>Penance asks me to be saved from a dog pounce by my own dog
>mfw I'm too good to get dogged

>having fun with arby
>but i miss my zealot

>>528703402
>>528703579
i see

>>528703579
Is that sanctioned?

>stuck in Malice and Heresy jail while leveling Arbys
>have to sit through retarded faggot dipshits who don't even have two braincells to rub together spending literally all their remaining ammo and meleeing the endless horde at the end of literally every mission for minutes at a time
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA JUST FUCKING LET ME OUT I HATE THESE PEOPLE SO MUCH

>>528703579
>Havoc-Forged

First white women and dogs joke I've seen since the patch, probably won't be the last

What possesses people to just run past a full medicae station when they have a quarter of their health

>>528703618
Is it really? I found this new "season" of havoc to be fairly more challenging than the previous one and, as a zealot, if my psyker isn't on the ball my runs tend to go to shit pretty quickly so 3 manning that afair while carrying the kind of retard i see in aurics doesn't seem that common to me, at least to be on par with ASS
Maybe i'm just a turbo shitter too
Also, since havoc got reset, are we technically in a new "season" or is it the same modifiers?

>>528703402
at this point the only titles i respect is the zone-specific ones like Cyberfalcon or Remembrancer. usually just means an average but reliable player. all the tryhard titles mean someone can perhaps be good at the game but most likely volatile and prone to ALT+F4 when they get netted

Favorite weapon for Castigator's Stance?
Not the boltgun, it's for retards and Mister-E cocksuckers.

>>528697406
I'd say that a Space Marine is overall more well rounded, but an Aspect Warrior is more adept than the an average space marine at whatever skill that the Aspect Warrior has devoted a lifetime of autism to master. IMO this gives the Aspect Warriors the edge when their Farseers can manage to expertly guide their aspect warriors to being in the right place at the right time so that each aspect can cover the other aspects' shortcomings, but that Space Marines are more capable of improvising when a plan falls apart.

>>528703983
take the braced autogun pill

>>528703983
>Mister-E is.....LE BAD!!!!

>>528703941
They're retarded.
If during these patch days anyone stays way behind or doesn't use med station after two shouts, keep going with the speedrunner.

>>528704106
Fuck I never thought of that

>>528703579
lol

YON BARREL-

the barrel! THE BARR--

Am I just massively over-valuing Grenades or are others just under-valuing them? The amount of sticky situations I have gotten out of by throwing them at my feet, or sniping a cluster of gunners, staggering bosses, creating room for someone getting mobbed and so on is uncountable. On my Shout-Veteran I went with regenerating Grenades and I have never been able to play without it since, It's a shame to miss out on the Dog on my Arbites but I just love Grenades so fucking much

>>528704132
You must be new around here.

>>528703402
Reminder that the fortunes of war portrait was THE biggest red flag that a teammate in ratclick was probably and ultra turboshitter.

>>528703973
>Is it really? (the new ASS)
It sorta is. I obviously exaggerated a little, but... also not really. You can put some retard on zealot with a martyr's purpose build and chances are they'll at least be moderately useful with chorus for as long as they're alive, while having 4 wounds kinda sorta carries them. Sure, they might die like 3-4 times or whatever, but you can totally win havoc 40 with just 3 players.
It's modifier dependent. The real cancer is damage resistance + regenerating enemies. Past a certain point you really do need 4 players worth of damage, and fucking krak grenades, otherwise nothing dies quickly enough. It's an interesting "counter" to infinite cleave abuse, but even then it's still optimal so whatever.

>are we technically in a new "season" or is it the same modifiers?
Completely different rotation of maps and modifiers compared to the previous season, I believe. I think every game I've played was encroaching garden.

>>528703579
>>528703861
This is so fucked up. Blatant beastiality jokes? Will Fatshark do the right thing and crack down on this?

>>528704461
nope, nades are good. you just have to adapt them to your team. if you've got the tools for dealing with hordes but no reliable boss nukes, go kraks. if your team is full of dueling swords and knives go shredders

>>528704461
People are saving them because they are so good and end up never using them. I always spam them as Ogryn and Vet.

i am amused by how many thinly veiled Floyd references i've seen among arbitrator names
SaintOfStillLungs with his KneeOfTheEmperor dog is my favorite

>>528704509
>>528703402
Only shitters have something to prove. Good players just win while shitposting with one hand tied behind their back.

The mission board revamp seems more and more retarded and pointless the more you look at it. VT2's system was fucking perfect, why are they such utter fucking retards about this?

GET AWAY FROM YON BAR-
AAAAAAAAAAUGHHHHHH

Gunner, do not redeem them! SAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE GUNNER

>>528702327
why not? his entire gimmick is that he's faceless and commands from afar
maybe he just has an addiction to being a double agent

>>528704812
Shut the fuck up.

>>528704657
>>528704796
The Improved Arbites grenade feels like a handheld Nuke. I really fucking love. It's just that I rarely if ever see my team-mates ever using Grenades or picking them up? Even when I always run Regeneration on them and try to let my team-mates pick them up they always end up ignoring them.

I was honestly starting to worry that I was doing something since I throw them around like pearls during Mardi Gras.

I was also wondering how good the Shock-Mine is? Sounds pretty good, and seems better the higher the diffuclty you are playing on

>>528701291
Rannick did nothing wrong. Playing the ""campaign"" mode in one sitting actually makes it clear that he's being expected to speedrun a victory of a planetary conflicts with nothing but a sack of shit as a weapon.

cavalry class when

>>528705097
The mine is extremely situational, but really strong in that situation. I just prefer shock dog.

>>528705097
>Even when I always run Regeneration on them and try to let my team-mates pick them up they always end up ignoring them.
Without mods, there is no indicator that you are running grenade pickups.
Without brain cells, your teammates won't have the necessary awareness to notice your pings, or necessary object permanence to deduce that ammo does not, in fact, materialize out of thin air ONLY when they open some box.
Also everyone is trying to do the stagger monstrosity penance, so nobody is running grenades.

>I was also wondering how good the Shock-Mine is?
It's incredible utility. Extremely strong support for your flamethrower guys. The impact grenade is also very strong, I've had a couple games with lone wolf cops using them to delete entire packs of shotgunners and ragers in a single button press.

Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

>>528701291
>MUH MOEABIAN STEEL
this shit is so cringe
and most of the new "cutscenes" are not cutscenes at all :V

Apparently these were looked at in the game's code and have hidden AI tweaks to your dog, like making them pursue the targets they set at a much further range than just like 10ft around you. Anyone know if that's true?

>>528705734
Yes. Some people even forgo those Key-stones entirely so the dog stick to them like glue instead of running off

>>528705734
If that's true, that's dogshit (pun intended)
My dog is a walking toughness dispenser, and I need it up close to quickly respond to my pings in order to dispense even more toughness.

>>528705682
>and most of the new "cutscenes" are not cutscenes at all :V
They don't need to be. All they need to provide is a firmer mission/zone progression and to rehabilitate the post-release missions and cinematics into feeling like they're a part of the progression instead of just being random.

i found you

>>528705840
See my post just above yours. Ignoring the Key-stones should make It stick close enough to you so that you always regenerate toughness

>>528705891
That's not a legal name for some reason, I wonder how to bypass that.

>>528703579
>cookie clicker

>>528690892 (OP)
I can see the mogus

>Heroic Cyber-Mastiff crosses map to kill mauler I was about to kill

>>528706124
like a pitbull smelling an infant child

>>528703941
muscle memory from their speedrunning knifegger zealot times

>>528703579
KEK

>>528696672
I’m still curious what exactly it is in there that needs guarding

Lorewise in darktide, are the Moebian 6th the actual bad guys? If you watch the campaign cutscene with wolfer and the squad, it looks the commisar fucks up and sends them into a suicide mission. It seems like suicide missions are common if you are an imperial guardsmen.

>>528705962
You can use Cyrillic a or e as substitutes.

i find the arbitrator's abilities to be boring and his voice/dialogue to be uninspiring so far. at least the shotguns are cool
went back to my zealot and having a shit ton of fun with the crucis hammer though

>>528706321
I'm sure they have enough random demonic writings that some guys sneak their way in occasionally.

>>528706336
Yes. Chaos are the bad guys

what is the price of dog tamer and why is it more expensive than vermintide careers

>>528706336
lmao this better be bait

>>528706336
Grim darkness

>The Stranger
NIGGA IS THIS DESTINY 2?! WHAT A RETARDED NAME FOR YOU SUPER SECRET BAD GUY LMAO

>>528706728
"the stranger" has been a common way to describe a wandering god or death incarnate in many cultures. neck yourself gen alpha golem

>>528706336
Commissars don't command regiments most of the time, only if the actual commanding officer gets BLAM'd by him for cowardice or incompetence. Though I think Dan Abnett forgot the average Commissar isn't Ibram Gaunt, a character he wrote who got a dual rank that legally allows him to command a regiment by default, which is why Morrow was following a Commissar into suicide missions in his backstory while Wolfer's regiment seemingly has no higher ranking officers (IG regiments are typically led by a colonel, not a captain).

>>528706508
darktide > verminshite
is just that shrimple

>Morrow unironically going “WOTS AWL DIS DEN????”
I chuckled

>>528706508
6 voice actors, banter with all 21 other voice actors. Probably.

>>528706508
the talent tree makes it the equivalent of 3 ratclick careers

>>528706508
6 voice actors
Completely new dog system
6 × 4 voice actors responding to the 6 voice actors
Much bigger and more complicated skill tree and ability selection

>>528703983
Spread shot executioner shotgun

>>528706336
>the Moebian 6th the actual bad guys?
they are
yes yes there's a very sad sob story about how they were mistreated and taken for granted by the imperium then led an on suicide missions with hostile commisars, but they did end up defecting to chaos so they are the bad guys

>>528706391
Yeah I feel the same way, all it's abilities are extremely milquetoast, I thought the 7.5m talent on Break the Line would increase the stun radius but no, it increases the fucking dash, it's a horrifically worse fury of the faithful, what the fuck?

>>528706857
I’m like 99 percent sure Abnett had nothing to do with Morrow’s new backstory, I’m really curious to know what the extent of his involvement even is post launch or if he actually collected his pay check and fucked off because Fatshark said they already have Ward

>pet the hecking doggo
>suddenly get flooded with a fuckload of penances
Oh shit I totally forgot

>Damnation
>4 Wound Vet
>But he's 15 levels above 30
>'He should be fine'
He was completely dead weight and didn't even have the ammo aura to make up for it.

Are mortis trial memories team wide? Random? How long is it going to take before I can never do mortis trials again, basically. Just the 50 rounds?

shitload of dredds
handful of ricos
ZERO Andersons (the OG psyker)
ZERO hersheys (the OG lesbian fascist)
ZERO fargos

I am beyond disappoint

>>528707849
You just gotta keep playing the mode until it randomly decides to play the correct lines for you. I had all lines in like 30 or so games I think.

>>528708008
I bet I'll have to do more than 50 just because of shit rng

>>528707960
I saw fargo

whats the dump stat for shock maul and shield, power output?

>you can just spam special on the arbites maul and it stagger dots everything
>can alternate overhead heavy special repeat to basically just be a better ogryn pickaxe
huh

>zealot
>while within 8m of 3 enemies, maybe occasionally regenerate 2.5% toughness per second, maybe, perchance ;)
>arbitrator
>your dog gives you 5% toughness per second because...lol it just does, okay?

>>528707960
>a black veteran named Floyd
>revives arbitrator
>"ay yo, you owe me one, fed"
???

>>528708339
Defenses or power output.
If you literally forget that you even have a special, you dump power output.
If you actually use the fucking thing the way it's intended, you dump defenses.
Simple as.

>>528708459
tyty
in your opinion which one is better MK VI or XI?

that's not how wax seals work

Arbites mains, get in my snorics!

>>528708636
VI is easier to use. Heavy light combo for horde clear, light spam rapes crushers.
Try both, I just found the other one awkward.

>>528708662
it is when you're part of the faithful

>>528707523
I still haven't found the petting achievement in the penances
maybe im just blind

>>528703402
>tfw got downed in one of my havocs earlier
Also, kek. I wish I'd made better names, but I was in a rush to hop in with friends

>>528708450
>just be a better ogryn pickaxe
Let's not get ahead of ourselves

>>528705097
There are two different schools of thought when it comes to using resources like grenades or career skills. The first is why waste grenades/skills if the team is competent enough to clear the content without them? If you are good enough to comfortably overcome what the director can throw at you, then you just need your get out of jail free cards for when the stars align and a bad suckerpunch is thrown your way. So long as you still won in the end, it wasn't a waste if you never needed to tap into your emergency reserves. Their purpose was to give you a plan B to stabilize a bad situation.

The other school of thought is that resources should be leveraged as liberally as possible whenever the opportunity presents itself. The idea is that those resources will let you clear the map faster than you otherwise could, and by quickly finishing the mission you minimize the number of opportunities that the director has to throw a curveball your way. Both approaches have merit, and which one is better comes down to a mix of personal play style and synergy with the weapons and skills that are available to a class.

The new auric is dogshit. What is fatshark doing

>>528707772
never trust a +wound user

>>528710354
What changed? I'm still grinding damnation to unlock it again

>>528706391
I've been enjoying the Arbites weapons, but I'll be back to Zealot sooner rather than later, I'm sure.
>Crucis
Mah nigga.

>>528707772
>15 levels above 30
>on not-Arbites in 2025
>wounds on anything but Zealot (and even Zealot half the time)
>not automatically assumed to be shit/new
ISHYGDDT

>Average playstation player

>>528710472
+2 (4 total) wounds zealot skill is good and I'm tired of pretending that it's not. I've intentionally downed myself (with prior announcement) numerous times in h40 for a quick health refund, which feeds into martyr's purpose and thus chorus spam.

>>528708459
>If you actually use the fucking thing the way it's intended
How is it intended? Your regular attacks apply electrocuted anyway, don't they? They just don't really stun shit, but stuff dies so fast it doesn't matter.

>>528710419
It feels like old damnation or some trivial difficulty. I was doing a mission earlier and the map is just empty man, it's very noticeable.

>>528710642
I'm not saying Martyr isn't good—it's insanely strong if you can fully capitalize on it—but a lot of Martyr players are retards and don't have the skill to actually run the build.

>>528699157
>>528699591
actual retards lol

>>528710672
>there's a bunch of shotgunners about to blow a massive load all over your face and your Kruber LARP is on cooldown
>flashbang them
>they're now completely useless
It also has a larger area of effect than your charge can hope to, which is useful when a slightly spaced melee blob shows up. You definitely only want to use it sometimes.

>>528711119
Oh, I'm a fucking retard, anon. I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about the arbites mace (sans shield) for some dumbass reason, and I've never really used the special on that. The special on the shield is great, yeah. My bad

>>528711343
The shieldless mace special just DoT RAPES anything that is currently shocked.

>>528710672
>>528711343
Your regular attackso n the normal arbites maul don't apply electrocuted I think. It's just a visual
I could be wrong but they certainly don't apply any dot

Uhh, guys...
The rashad is the best arbites melee weapon...

>>528691883
It means it says in the lex that you should please resist while I ram this shock maul up your anus.

>>528711476
Oh, neat. I'll have to play around with it in the meat grinder more then. I tried out the special mid-mission a couple times and just went back to normal bonking.

>>528711503
Yeah, I'm not sure. With the debuffer mod, it says "Electrocuted 0". So there're 0 stacks of it applied I believe. I only just downloaded that mod today, but the fact that the normal swings cause that debuff to appear anyway made me think that means the status itself is present for more technical purposes (like Heat Sink giving bonus damage to electrocuted enemies). It's something I really need to go into the meat grinder and mess around with.

>>528711523
lol
lmao

Shock Troop should be a default mod in Auric

director avin a fookin giggle spawning a poxwalker every 5 seconds around a corner

>>528699157
are you one of those borderline intelligence niggers i've been hearing about?

>>528696841
>"How do you do fellow bipeds"

whats the best blitz for arby they all seem kinda shit

>>528711890
No, but High Intensity should. STG gets tedious after a few consecutive runs, and I'll often just wanna go back to ripping through shit in melee for a few runs to mix it up.

how to make the executioner a boss killer?
running shock on pounce, +dmg on electrocuted enemies + fullbore atm

>>528712001
They're all really good, just not exciting. The numbers are good on all of them tho

>>528711991
Why do you keep replying to this hours later?

>>528712001
impacts are good

>>528696290
this is literally the only use of castigator stance
W+M1 into a wall of gunners and your shield won't even break
the bash at least has a 15 second cooldown 25%+ damage for 6s and 25% strength for 10s
and just a shit ton of damage bonuses on the right tree in general.
not even playing when i say your ability choices are between
>Occasionally ignore gunner patrols
>Zealot dash
OR
>The melee enemy equivalent of Bubble dome.

>>528710354
A lot of the game feels like it's gotten easier

>>528702285
>YOU WOULD QUESTION MY HOLY PURPOSE?
Agitator is best boy.

>>528712001
Smite mines with no dog talent is OP af no cap on skibidi

>>528712223
sometimes you know you fuckedu p and you're gonna get cornered by a couple bulwarks and eat overheads. Castigators lets you whip out the grenade while eating an overhead or two

>>528712327
Maybe you have just gotten good?

>>528707523
Hope you don't have any actual pets.

>>528712630

>>528712327
Dunno man. I'm cruising it like always and hard carrying shitters like always.
Same shit, different class.

>>528712765
And like always, the hardest part of the game is incompetent players.

>>528712893
I feel like some of them genuinely don't have object permanence

Alright, dudes. I've sorta tested out the Arbites mace (no shield)'s electrocution properties in conjunction with High Voltage (+25% dmg vs electrocuted).
>Without High Voltage:
4 hits to kill a Crusher w/o crits
>With High Voltage:
3 hits to kill a Crusher w/o crits

So, the regular Arbites mace attacks do apply electrocution, at least for the purposes of things like High Voltage that activate depending on the electrocution property. I'm not sure if there's actually a dot being applied. I don't think there is, but it could be dying before any DoT ticks occur (but I think I'd see a DoT tick)

>>528695658
EYE is jank as fuck but it's also insanely cool. It's one of those games that you have to play to understand how important it was when it came out.

>auric too easy now
>cant even play havoc because lfg is dead and god forbid i want to pug it
will they ever fucking make havocs public play? seriously, i have not even played it once because of this retardation.

How long till they release a shock maul skin that makes it look actually cool?

>>528713548
>auric too easy now
>now
But yes, the way Havoc has been handled is completely fucking retarded. I didn't even stick around to get True Survivor after I did a couple H40s because finding a group was such a massive fucking waste of time, and you had to manually sit there looking for a group. At least in old MMOs when I typed "LFG gaysexwithhats", I still do other stuff. What a fucking shit show. I should've just gone all in on Havoc week 1 instead of trying to wait and do it with my friend group (who gave up in the fucking 20s when they finally got around to doing it with me reeeeee)

>>528696981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evnXJTQkWFE

>>528713205
thanks for testing, wonder if that's a bug. Means the 25% damage on electrocuted is OP doesn't it?

>>528713854
Depends on what you think is OP as well as how the 25% is calculated. It definitely makes it one of the best options though. The irony is that if they remove normal attacks' ability to trigger High Voltage, then the blessing will probably be dog shit since I imagine just whacking stuff will still be more efficient than using a special and then whacking stuff.
Also, I don't think monstrosities can get the debuff. When I spawned a Plogryn and whacked it with normal and special attacks, I never saw the debuff appear or any DoT (even with several consecutive special attacks). Could be a mod bug, and I was just not building the status all the way. Dunno.

>Snorics

welp, auric is a dead mode now. It's even easier than before. Now there's nothing to play

>>528714416
Horde mode for Space Marine 2 is happening in 2 days

>>528714110
Electrocution only happens when you stagger the enemy. Remove all your talents and smack a crusher so that they don't get staggered and you'll see there's no electricity effect. Then add your impact nodes back and see that when you stagger the crusher there's an electricity effect. Basically high voltage and opportunist are the same thing since staggered and electrocuted are the same status effect.

Fuckin globies

>>528714557
Also I tested this on shock maul + shield. It doesn't have a special attack that applies electricity so it's just normal attacks. Applies electrocuted on stagger and nothing on non-stagger hits.

Dunno if i can force myself to slog through more dogshit missions just to get the Execution Order and boss stagger penances
they're so incredibly fucking grindy and unfun

>>528714416
That's strange. They said the only change they made was making high int default. Might be a director bug; Im noticing, even on STG, that there's hardly anything coming out.

>>528714557
Oh, what the fuck. Nice, thanks. Was that information somewhere, and I just missed it, or did you figure it out for yourself? I doubt I would've noticed until I took a non-arbities maul melee weapon into the meat grinder.

>>528714676
Yeah, I tried out the maul+shield a minute ago. I'd just assumed it happened with all the artitties mauls.

>>528714416
You should bang your head against the wall in Havoc, it's so much fun with randoms

>>528714521
the game's terrible so that doesn't interest me

>>528714974
I saw your post, booted up the game and figured it out just now. I don't think it's written anywhere.

>>528714521
>no sword large enough for me
>SPASS MARINE armor is poorly articulated for two handed motions
no.

>>528715096

>>528715161
it really is dogshit and sm1 has more attention to detail where it matters, like the impact of melee weapons outside of canned finisher animations

>>528714521
>assault is still the worst class by a wide margin
>theres still is a hard cap on how far you can go in "infinite" horde mode due to timers (thanks consoles)
>the thunder hammer is still a giant piece of shit, but at least its usable in bulwarks hands now
>chaos still exist in their current state
>event rewards are still unchanged and will be retarded nobbed autist helmets
im good thanks
P4 on all classes btw

>>528715116
Fucking Fatshark lmao. Appreciate the tip

>youtubers keep saying that arbites has low boss damage
>4 shotgun shots to the weakspot = 50% health on bosses
Is this really supposed to be low? Full bore and punishing salvo rapes bosses.

>>528715343
>thunder hammer still a giant piece of shit
glad to know sm2 has this problem too. coward devs too afraid to make a giant powered hammer as strong as it should be.

As fun as it is to have a colorful cast of characters, its enjoyable to have teams wearing a uniform sometimes.

>>528714521
Not going to revive it. The systems in it are surface level as fuck.
>spend your static amount of resources per wave to spawn more cadians, not that it will actually do anything
>spend it on a like 5 minute buff that also comes with an AI space marine companion for that duration
>spend it on a dreadnaught who you pretty much have to have on waves that are multiples on 5 past wave 10, who when fielded just wins the wave for you automatically
This is not what this mode needed to be. It needed to have corridors of defense, and cadian gunnery emplacements you could build on it. It needed to have resource gain be per kill. It needed to not be a massive gimmick, but it is.

>>528715437
Being a group of 4 space cops coming in to beat the assassination boss into submission in under 30 seconds is fucking great

>34k people playing Darktide
>can't find anyone on Auric
>8k people playing last week
>can fill up all the time

>theyre not a max height arbys

You arent a real cop. just a gnome in abritator cosplay. and im not taking you seriously

>>528714521
This games combat system is way more shallow than Darktide and its nowhere near as fun. This really your suggestion of an alternative?

>>528715919
Why do trannies always pick that hairstyle?

>>528715757
>dude, go regrind to do the fun difficulty in the game you've already played for 1000 hours lmao

>>528715919
>The Virgin Liability

The Duo

>>528715967
It's literally the only look that looks somewhat feminine

>>528715967
It's just Cheryl from MGS 1.

>>528715919
my shotgun fires an arc at head level, so the height slider is never moving, sorry mr. liability

>Psyker calls Arby Oppressor and is called Liability
>Veteran calls Arby Provost and is called Conscript
>Ogryn calls Arby Plate-face and is called Behemoth
>Zealot calls Arby _____ and is called Firebrand
how have I still not heard this one, what is it

>>528716810
Zealot calls him a fucking pig and asks him how many black people he murdered today

>>528716117
>the fag and the hound

>>528717259
Hopefully all of them

>>528716810
>Zealot calls Arby
Exemplar

>>528717259
Judge would do that because he's a moralfag
Agitator would be impressed with how many 'muties' Arbites put down

Can someone help me understand? Is this 15% happening every hit if Im fighting a single enemy, and only effects the first one hit if Im killing a horde?

>>528718539
On every attack even against a single target. It just doesn't apply to subsequent targets of a swing.

>>528715437
"It's enjoyable to have teams wearing a uniform"
Imagine when the swedecvks have to bend the knee to popular demand and add sisters

Fucked up that I've never really played above Heresy before in any consistent manner but now I'm clearing Aurics easy due to Arbites playing exactly into my preferred playstyle.

>build space cop to kill monsters
>do auric
>there was only 1 monster

>>528707960
I named mine Shira, does that count?

>>528719616
is your preferred playstyle getting loads of toughness for no reason, having infinite grenades, and mashing m1 to do as much if not more damage than a skullcrusher bully club spamming ogryn?

>>528719906
Beating the shit out of anything that gets near me and never dodging like some sweaty tryhard faggot with a duelling sword.

Also functional shotguns.

>>528719786
>mk8 shotgun with full bore and punishing salvo
wow there's your boss killer setup lmao

>>528719616
Aurics got nerfed

>Fartshart nerfed Aurics to force people to play Havoc
Masterful gambit ObeseSelachimorpha

>>528720557
this gambit won't actually work until I can click a single button and get a havoc match with a full team

>arbitrator effective dps is so low on encroaching garden it feels like we're down a player

>>528720806
This is what I was saying. Arbites needs a duelling sword.

>>528720068
>he doesn't know

>>528697286
>He thinks Crusher is inferior to Arbites maul
Way to out yourself as a shitter

>>528720978
way to out yourself as being the kid that was still reading one word at a time in fifth grade

I am deeply annoyed by the fact that tje rashad combat axe just straight up outdamages all the other arbites weapon options. Players are soon just going to default to it

>>528721160
they didn't even change combat axes, I haven't seen a single person in the past two days using an axe on arbites, what are you talking about

>>528721254
People want to try the new stuff first

>>528721160
why are you trying to push that shit axe so bad? everyone knows its shit now stop

>>528720668
It won't work until havoc stops being dogshit limited to 4 maps and 4 modifiers
how the fuck can they pretend this shit is a fully fledged gamemode if it removes 80% of the shit in the game

>>528721254
Nobody uses CAxe cause it's the most boring brain off weapon in the game, more so than DS4.

>>528721312
Fuck off, retard

When did they add a no enemies in the elevator rule?
Almost fumbled a mission at the extraction because i could not for the life of me get the trash fodder out of the elevator while gunners were lighting my ass up.

>>528721498
It's been there forever.

>>528721424
You first tranny

>>528721551
Kill yourself

>>528721690
After you

>>528721748
>no u!
You lost

>>528721869
Whatever helps you sleep at night tranny LMAO

why do these fucking niggers keep picking up ammo crates when they're missing 10 rounds

>>528721984
I might need those 10 rounds later

>>528721984
thats me!

>Arbys shock maul
boring, feels almost indistinguishable from the stock maul other than the electro DOT gimmick
>Arbys maul+shield
boring, just feels like a slightly worse ogryn slab shield
>Exterminator Shotgun
OK, feels good to shoot and sounds satisfyingly powerful.
>Shotpistol+Shield
poopoo stinky
>Castigator's Stance
OK as a steroid, basically makes you invincible for 10 seconds, kind of boring though and not really gamebreakingly powerful like other class abilities.
>Nonce Aquila
Terrible, just terrible. Least interesting and least powerful support style class ability in the game. I don't know what they were thinking here.
>Break the Line
Only reasonably fun ability due to its spammability, useful enough for knocking over dense elite packs and the steroids it gives are decent.
>Cybermastiff
At least they got this right, for the class defining feature it feels very powerful and useful. The dogs are actually pretty intelligent as well and it feels like you don't need to pay any attention to them for them to have an impact. It actually gets pretty ridiculous when a team of 4 Arbies has all their dogs running around tearing apart elites and priority targets, dunno how they perform in Havoc yet since I have only been playing Damnation today. Only drawback is they sometimes knock poxbursters back into your team which actually does happen fairly often.

5/10 class, not impressed desu

>>528722454
>just feels like a slightly worse ogryn slab shield
except its 10x better than that piece of shit

>>528722454
Just wait for the Repentia class

>>528722567
You have no idea how to use the slab shield. The arbites shield is massively underpowered in comparison

>>528722278
It's fucking Mortis Trials!

i wish i didn't have to go through the party finder to grind havocs

>>528721984
fomo

>>528722567
>>528722707
explain

>>528722781
Sorry playboy, I want to be prepared for anything

>>528723182
Put skullcrusher and brutal momentum on ut
Spamming heavy 1 (block canceling out of heavy 2) has some of the highest horde killing and crowd control in the entire game while also killing crushers with no effort

Both weapons are weak against bosses, but the slab shield is massively powerful against everything else. The arbites shield has complete dogshit blessings and damage in comparison and barely does anything on higher difficulties if you can't hit an enemy directly on the head

>>528723559
>The arbites shield has complete dogshit blessings
Not really? High voltage gives you 25% more damage against staggered enemies (staggering enemies electrocutes them) and opportunist gives 25% rending against staggered enemies too. Definitely not "complete dogshit" on a class with this much stagger. Useless against bosses though since you can't stagger them like that.

>>528722989
This movie was alright. Fun.

>omg arbadeez is power creep
>omg arby's is so shit
>sloptubers did havoc 40 with him, solo even
well? which is it, tide games general?

I know Rashad is the best weapon that Arbites is able to use, but is it the best weapon for Arbites? It wouldn't synergize with like a third of the tree which relies on staggers, right? Should I set myself up with a Crusher now that I'm done with the weapon penances?

>>528721378
I don’t use it because it’s super unsatisfying and feels slow as shit >>528719456
>popular demand
Lol

>>528716338
You mean Meryl, newtard?

>>528724340
That barely does anything in practical terms. Compare the blessings to that of most weapons and it's pretty obvious how shitty it is

>>528714521
I regret spending 100 dollars on that game. Dropped it after two days. I really hoped and thought they could have nailed it, but they couldn’t and didn’t.

Happened across a 60% power output Crusher in the shop. I feel like generally the Crusher takes too long to power up so in practice I never actually do. What would you guys want, dump defence or power output?

>>528707175
>Completely new dog system
ok white woman

>>528725050
Retarded contrarian lmao. Yeah having a 25% damage boost on every swing except for your first one is bad apparently lol
That's literally just headtaker but better in every way except for boss killing.

>pigs seething over head cosmetics
Buy some more aquilas lol

>>528725351
Power Output for the sick bonks

>want to try a buffed tac axe
>every faggot in aurics is a speedrunner who never stops to fight horde
>arsebiters are never in coherency
>nobody even bothers to look at ammo crate I drop before them
>have to extract with a sample, three arbites shitters run to the fucking carrier, have to fight off horde and carry sample by myself
this is the worst fucking update
they gave malice shitters who have no idea how to play the game a free pass in any difficulty with op class
and also killed all vanilla classes that's not ogryn in the process
game had 4 classes, now it's 2 classes
and what's worse is that once class is a big ogryn and the other class is small overpowered ogryn
this shit is not enjoyable anymore

>>528725445
It's literally fucking up my ability to have multiple loadouts setup right now
No I'm not fucking taking the hat off

>Arbite 'Buldozer'
>Dog 'Cloaker'
>WE CALL THIS A DIFFICULTY TWEAK

>>528719786
>not rushing through the levels to increase the odds of monsters spawning
>0 still spawn anyway

>>528724514
>solo
Who?
>>528724705
They need to fix the crusher a bit. It feels terrible to use because the attacks get interrupted when you get hit or sprint which causes people to just spam weak as fuck light attacks

>>528724514
psyker and veteran are dead
zealots fight for their life trying to keep up
ogryns compete with dogs for a role of arbitrator's pet

>>528707960
Sounds like a gay post

>>528725050
you clearly havent played beyond the sub level 30 starter gear. shield maul trivializes aurics even further. flashbang is hugely useful.

>>528707960
Greg Jones is the Psyker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBqqAlxsCiQ

>>528725415
Going from shitty damage to slightly less shitty damage? Wow so great. Every single weapon that the arbites has access to has better blessing pools. The shield has the worst options and denying this makes you are contrarian mongoloid
Start playing aurics and compare the dogshit damage output against crusher and mauler hordes, you dumb fuck

>>528726023
I have significantly more experience and knowledge than you. It might seem exciting now, but sooner or later even a retard like you will have to admit that i'm right

>>528715919
Based. First thing I did was set that slider up all the way kek

I'm not really enjoying the game anymore bros...

>>528726074
>shitty damage
literal skill issue. I'm shitting out so much damage it's unreal. Crusher squads mean nothing to me. Mixed hordes mean nothing to me. All I have to do is walk forward and light attack in their general direction with the occasional rush or flash. Have you considered that maybe you're just fucking bad at the game?

>>528726350
skill issue

all right... ONE (1) auric before bed... it'll get me sleepy.
queue up NA East for a bedtime game.

>>528726074
Start playing havoc lmao. Please, we both know that you don't actually believe what you're saying. You just want to have a different opinion from what is common sense.

What are you guys doing for stats on the shock maul/shield? All of the stats seen like they're useful on it.

>>528717259
We can only hope honestly

>>528726449
defense is the dump stat

you can't argue with this

>>528726718
why isn't havoc filled with arbites teams stomping it then
it's still just as dead as ever

>>528726936
Because havoc is gay

>>528724514
arbis are dogshit awful in havoc mate, they're going to get denied as much as ogryn was pre-buff once people figure that out

also aurics are fucking significantly nerfed

>>528726936
it is filled with arbites already
and not eveyone has maxed arbitrator yet

>>528726387
>>528726419
Yeah yeah yeah. And then you pick up another weapon and realize you are gimping yourself by using the shield

You think you are killing enemies but you are just throwing them around

>>528727713
Stay out of my aurics

>just had a near 10 minute game on Relay Station because we just killed everything immediately and kept walking forward
god damn, aurics really were nerfed

Okay so maybe castigator doesn't get duration extension because that's stepping on veteran's toes but at least it doesn't need to reload with the refund tale-
>internal cooldown
of course.

>>528727834
Don't like it when i carry you?

>>528728079
All of Arbitrator's abilities are fucking boring, I don't know what they were thinking.

going back to psyker makes me realize arbites is also stupid fast
even ogryns can't catch up to it
so it got zealot speed, ogryn tankiness and damage, best horde clear, best boss killing setups
I haven't tried it yet but I guess it will also have best specialist clearing capabilities with bolt pistol, though shield/revolver combo already dabs on gunners pretty hard
Every role can be filled with a specialized arbiter build that will be superior to any other class and it will also have best survivability and horde clear as a bonus without even trying

>did a maelstrom damnation
>havoc still locked in party finder
what the fuck, i just want to find a group

>>528728292
they were making a class for shitters which can be played with disabled brain
you don't have to use abilities to win

>>528728292
>I don't know what they were thinking.
I can guess at it
>wow, people really like the dueling sword now that we made it such an enormous crutch you can just turn your brain off and mash buttons with it, huh?
>wow, they also really like this ogryn rework that turned him so fucking OP you can just hold down w and light spam through aurics huh?
>....
>wait, why did we bother making anything with depth? just make boring OP shit

>>528717259
The Lex Imperialis is the literal word of the fucking Emperor recorded by Malcador. If the book says blacks get a taste of the baton, that is GOD telling you to beat niggers in the street.

>>528698819
it's a really awesome image haha

>>528705734
The leftmost one keeps the default range of 16 meters. The rightmost increases the range to 45 meters.

>>528710354
Making you play Havoc :)

>>528716810
My Arbites said
>You died well, Zealot... Or at least, you died.

I must have an H1B visa cuz i be doing Heavy 1 Block cancel. Namasayin?

Almost done, now I just need 9,000 kills with blessings I don't want to use anymore.
Ironic how the best one could be completed in like two games while the other two require a dozen

>get matched with 3 arbites shits in auric
>they all die to a few snipers
this will be your games now
thanks fatshark for clearing auric from shitters who don't deserve to be there!

I don't get people who play a co-op game and their immediate instinct in every single situation is to run as far away from their teammates as possible especially when they clearly can't handle themselves.

Instead of complaining about shitters in auric go play havoc.

>>528730113
They are outrunning the spawns

>>528730270
it's only gonna get worse in havoc and you know it

>>528730010
you can't carry aurics?

>>528730302
Yes, so I deal with them on my psyker who can't run this fast

>>528730354
Until H35 where people will finally mostly know what they are doing. But H40 is where the cheese is, people are good there. And you don't lose rank if they aren't

>>528730354
None of these new shitters are making it to 40. If you're that much better than them then you should just hang out at 30-40 instead of sitting in the baby mode difficulty (auric) and complaining that you can't survive without getting carried by a good team.

>>528730423
Why do I have to carry in a 4 player coop? Not with my meme tac axe build, no.
I'm already doing better than shitters with their arbites crutches, while they actively sabotage me while running around like headless chickens, triggering all the spawns around the map and not fighting them

>>528730527
Maybe they weren't making it before arbites
now they will

>>528730720
No they aren't you fucking shitter youre just as bad as them

>>528730720
If they can make it to 40 with cheese then they should be carrying you in auric, no?

>>528730527
also I am playing an appropriate difficulty (baby mode) for my meme builds
I don't want to play with my meta crutches all the time, once a week is enough

>>528730270
How is Havoc now compared to the first few weeks of release? I got tired of how overtuned ranged enemies were and playing around that. Between that and it taking forever to get a H40 team after the first couple weeks, I dropped it.

>>528730879
You're just admitting that you need meta crutches

>>528721370
>it removes 80% of the shit in the game
Havoc fags are the no items final destination only fags of darktide

>>528731235
What's your point? I'm doing better than shitters with the strongest meta crutch (arbitrator). It's not like I'm dragging the team down, am I not allowed to do that?
It's questionable if you can do your part even with crutches, why do you pretend to be hot shit?

>>528731614
You literally just admitted that you needed crutches for higher difficulties
Sit the fuck down

>>528731705
Retard

>>528731738
You don't like it when i call you out, do you, boy?

give me a crusher build for my arby I like to bonk

So is there a list of broken mods yet? I just did train and noticed the autocomplete for that wasn't working. I've been crashing a lot when I try to join missions but it seems random.

>only bad players use bad gear
>only good players use good gear
Wow!

>>528728201
I feel like if you're struggling to deal damage with the strongest weapon, you're not really carrying anyone.

>>528731705
>>528731861
Just as a heads up I just fucked your mouth

>any shitter can make it to havoc 40 with meta cheese!
>no I can't make it to havoc 40 without meta cheese
What did he mean by this?

I love meta crutches. It's all I use.

im a bad player who uses good gear

>>528731861
I'm yet to see your tac axe melee psyker havoc40 clear mr wannabe hot shit

>>528731894
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3cad5d-4796-4fe1-9a12-9907d5f4a1cb/crusher-i-hardly-know-her

I left some things empty and some points unspent so you can decide for yourself

>>528732514
thanks senpai

>>528731224
They made it harder than it was on release. I don't find it fun.

>>528731894
there's nothing special about building for crusher, it has the same meta blessings
take default melee arbites tree and adjust to your tastes
>what's default arbys tree
this is https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f3b0905-aaab-47b4-8d6e-9324a30ae271
scullcrusher is mandatory, second blessing is up to you but I'd take opportunist
you can take something else and equip bolter for boss killing

>>528731224
There's severe boss spam now so the shooters are even more annoying. I wouldn't bother with it unless you have 3 peopel who you know are competent to play with. The new rank system means that if one shitter finds his way into any havoc run you do, he can rape your rank. The new balance, while fun with a good team, also makes bad players such a massive liability that it's really hard to win with them to rank up.

>>528732940
>I'd take opportunist
You get enough rending in the skill tree to 2 shot crushers. Use slaughterer instead

>>528733023
I doubt you can 2shot crushers in havoc40 but yeah
I really didn't have much time to think about blessings because arbitrator rapes everything even without extra strength

>>528733236
Push attack is the strongest anti crusher attack. You can do over 3000 dps against crushers

>>528732514
>taking True Grit

>>528732979
>stressing about rank
>when I've got every single havoc penance
lmao let me know when it's the sole way to acquire red weapons and maybe I'll come back (I won't lol)

>>528733604
>just don't get hit
Retard. It's the strongest path to the keystone

>>528732340
nice strawman
fatcunts promised to remove shitters from auric by introducing a meme campaign
instead they moved auric to default board and made it a default difficulty for shitters and also gave them a class to effortlessly unlock it without opening their eyes
then they also gave this class a set of crutches that encourages lone wolfing and speedrunning and ruins the game for everyone else

>>528733745
we share a thread with specimens like this

>>528733767
>nice strawman
No lmao you just got cornered and admitted you're a shitter.

>>528733745
Check the other build posted, dummy

>>528733845
>no argument
As expected

>>528733853
You get slaughterer and 50% cleave and you'd suggest i waste a point on the push cleave talent. No, pick true grit

>>528733875
"strongest path to the keystone"
do you realize you can take out True Grit and put it into 75% cleave and still reach the keystone and get the right side damage perks? instead of using a perk made that will be useful once in a blue moon for people that aren't shitters

>>528734013
>getting hit
ha shitter

>>528734035
See >>528734013
Rather pick a powerful crutch than a talent you don't need

>>528726419
Megu class when
>>528728079
Why did you post a selfie

I never play without my crutches.
These include:

>>528734527
>arbites showing his duelling sword

>>528716309
There's also the bob cut but eh...
anyways that haircut also can look a bit wierd with how the arbite mask cuts it off.

It takes 4 or 5 crusher overheads to kill an arbites except in havocs

>>528734527
can't shove the entirety of arbites tree in a post

>>528732761
>>528732979
Well fuck. I really wish my friends enjoyed doing high Havocs and were better at them. Cheers. I'll have to give it a shot in a day or two when I'm back in the groove of things. Just got disabled four fucking times in my Maelstrom, so it's clearly not the moment to be going for Havocs.
>The new rank system means that if one shitter finds his way into any havoc run you do, he can rape your rank
What the fuck? You still get 3 attempts at a rank before demoting, don't you?

I kind of hate both of Arby's keystones that aren't Forceful

>>528732940
is the bolter pretty good now again? sorry I just recently played again

I'm gonna test to see if the arbites can give the antax combat axe good cleave without brutal momentum. Stay tuned

>>528735618
It's been pretty good for a while, you just need to be careful with the ammo and take single shots most of the time. Only use the hipfire on bosses and true crowds of ragers or crushers.

>have 3 arbys in a team
>can't take a dog off before it corrupts me to death from full hp despite being in coherency
wtf I understand that arbys are braindead but I thought dogs were automatic

Arbites builds? Where? Please?

>>528736080
Pick the damage talents and concussive

Miss Kruber

>>528696841
>3 arms
You ain't slick genestealer

>2-shot maulers w/ Crusher
You guys are doing that at full stacks of, like, everything right? If I don't have all that shit maxed, double push attack is not killing him without a crit. Or did I fuck something up, and this should be doable without everything stacked?

>>528700850
Would running 1 health, 1 tough and 1 stamina curio be good arbeetus?

>>528705264
Ratling on a Mastiff

>more than half-way done with knockoff weapon specialist
>haven't even touched the execution order one
I'm not looking forward to this

>>528736787
>he didn't pick the damage talents
I told y'all

>>528736253
I don't know what those are.

>>528737168
execution order one goes quick on auric maelstrom, it keeps marking shit you just have to be good at killing
It's also a surprisingly good keystone, I didnt think I'd like it either

>>528737174
I have. It's the same default build I've been using for a while now. I could take Opportunist over Slaughterer and Strike Down over something else, but since even in tandem, they don't enable a cold open 2-shot, I didn't do that.

>>528737563
Use your eyes, nigga

>>528737670
Pick the rending talent like you got told to do

I'm in.

>>528737670
>Opportunist over Slaughterer
If slaughterer was a talent then people would call you a retard if you ever skipped it. Every single no-brainer guide would include it and even a completr beginner would instantly realize that it's good

how is this for the dog user?

>>528738084
swapped no escape for flat 10% damage bonus

>>528722613
Zealot

>>528738084
Never pick dog damage or dog focus over your own damage

>>528737887
I just explained why I didn't want the rending talent.
>take a talent that, even against a relatively rare enemy is going to be a niche choice since it can't even enable a no-stack 2-shot
vs
>5% toughness/sec or Lone Wolf
Sounds like a bad trade. All you had to do was say, "Yes, anon, you do need stacks out the ass for the Crusher to 2-shot a Crusher," instead of act like a dickhead.

>>528738081
Yeah, I'm running Slaughterer. I brought up Opportunist because with both it and Strike Down, you still don't 2-shot a Crusher without stacks of shit.

>>528738221
you mean voltaic? it stuns ogryns

>>528738221
Dog damage is your own damage.

why play Arbites without the dog? That's like playing ranged Zealot

>>528738084
Unless you've tested breakpoints and lose nothing by sacrificing so many damage nodes (heavy, super-duper doubt) I'd do this instead. Dog aura isn't impressive because coherency isn't impressive.

>>528738302
Meh. You can dog blast them, and if you run the sword+board, you can special them too. If you decide to run the Kruberdash, that becomes an option as well.

>>528738769
>15% toughness DR
>10% attack speed
>10% damage
>+1 grenade/mine
>replenishing grenades/mines
Lone Wolf is fucking crazy. It easily makes up for trading the dog away with the standard Arbites build that puts everything into damage and a few things into toughness DR/regen.
>that's like playing ranged Zealot
kek. Not mechanically, not even close. And I can't speak for lore, but I swear in my Rogue Trader campaigns, my Arbites don't each have a dog.

Shotpistol and shield good?

>>528739604
Yeah but I feel like you need to take reload speed perks with it

>>528736787
Just take opportunist and stop listening to malice shitters

>>528736962
I don't recall a single weapon on arbys that doesn't give shitload of free stamina
I don't think you should ever take flat stamina on arbitrator, both hp and toughness should be fine because he got the biggest hp pool after ogryn

>>528719786
lol boss killer builds are only worthwhile for havoc

>>528739356
>15% toughness DR
there's a talent that makes dog pounces give you and allies 20% TDR and the dog is pouncing literally every 5 seconds
>10% attack speed
good but not enough
>10% damage
Literally 1 node, and less than most talents. Dog existing will theoretically give you much more damage in total
>+1 nade and nade regen
Very powerful, literally the only reason to take lone wolf, the rest of the buffs are very minor compared to dog

Please, someone tell me how to play Arbites. I have somehow ground this thing to 30 over the last day and a half and I still feel like an absolute retard. I can't tell what's good at all, I don't know what weapons are good or not. I feel like the biggest dipshit.

what build do I even want for middle keystone?

>>528740965
same. it just feels like an "i'm ok at everything i guess" class

Is the male Arbites Authoritarian voice supposed to be Asian? I really can't place this accent

>>528740965
close your eyes
hold W
spam clicks

>>528741140
Yes. The VA is Asian, I can't remember his name though.

>>528741216
Yeah looked it up and apparently it's Mark Takeshi Ota who was most recently the voice of Sun Wukong from that game

>>528741179
Come on, man. Please don't make me watch some fucking Mr. E video. I am just asking for non-retards here to hand hold and explain the class a bit better so I can understand it.

>>528740903
But the nodes you take upgrading dog are nodes spent not upgrading you. That's the issue. If there weren't so many good-amazing nodes for just your player character, and the really good stuff was better spread out between dog and PC, Lone Wolf wouldn't be as good, but most people are going to prioritize personal stats anyway, so it's not a big trade.

>disabled 6 times in my STG
I might need to actually take the dodge node. I am fucking up relentlessly. What a shitter
I swear this thing alternates between counting mutant grabs and not counting them. When I got grabbed 4 times earlier, I'm fairly certain that was just dogs+trappers. This time, I think most of my disables were just brief mutie grabs while I was prio'ing other shit. I am losing my fucking grip on reality, bros.

how are you supposed to use the dog electro-braps anyway, maybe i should not use the dog chasing nodes and keep him close for insta-close quarter cc?
also using the dog toughness node?

>>528740965
Do you want to build dog or no dog? I'll assume you want dog to be useful.
>What's good (talents)
'Concussive' is a must-have every build. 'Force of Will' is insane toughness regen and OP. 'Up Close' is similarly just free + regen with every swing. Tough regen on stamina loss is really good, as is the tough regen on block but not as necessary.
For damage it's hard to miss. You want 'Target the Weak' and the other nodes near it, but at least 1 of them is good enough. You also want the entire row of nodes just below the Abilities, all of them are really good and they clearly want you to take all of them.
>Arby Keystones
Forceful and Executive Order are the only real choices, Terminus is trash because it only meaningfully buffs your gun while the others buff literally everything, from damage resistance to regeneration and cleave, and also your gun.
>Your dog
If you're running Forceful I recommend you also get 'Voltaic Mandibles Adjustment' because every single tick of electrocution your dog causes will give you Forceful stacks. 'Razor-Jaw Augment' is also great crowd damage, but I'm still experimenting.
It's still debated which dog keystone is better, IMO it's the ranged one. The dog won't be close to you as often but he'll take out the most dangerous threats in the game that you can't easily reach with melee.
>Abilities
For Break the Line, get the 2 sub-nodes to its right, always. This ability synergizes with Forceful because of the 'Arbites Vigilant' node giving you +25% strength every time you use your ability, and BTL is literally a 12 second cooldown.
Nuncio Aquila, get the subnode to the left.
Castigator's, the subnodes don't matter much. It's a repositioning tool and get-out-of-jail-free card. Execution Order can help decrease its cooldown significantly.

>>528741660
Thanks, and what about weapons? I keep seeing people say "Arbites weapons are subpar" and other people saying they are broken. I'm not feeling the "broken" part, personally, but this could just be because I haven't fucked with the right build. I don't know. It just seems like Bolter mogs the shotguns, and shields aren't as useful as like... an axe, or the regular shock maul.

>>528740965
It's still the same game we've been playing for two and a half years. Arbites doesn't play that differently from a slower Zealot or a more hybridy Vet
>I can't tell what's good at all, I don't know what weapons are good or not.
All the Arbites weapons are at least alright outside of Havoc. I haven't touched Havoc since I got a few H40s and quit playing it the first time around, so consider everything I say applicable up to Auric Maelstrom but not necessarily beyond.
>1H Maul no shield is faster than maul+shield and does more damage but loses the CC special and better block. Mk VI is the version I prefer because unless I'm mistaken, spamming lights on it is the highest DPS option of the two shields for single target/armor.
>1H Maul+shield is a great all-purpose tool. Trades some damage output for defense/utility. Its dodge is pretty bad though.
>Arbites shotgun is crazy in mixed hordes on the Mk III. Haven't played with the other variant much.
>Shotpistol+Shield is an okay special killer with a shield for ranged protection. Unless I'm missing something, it's just decent.
Play around with them and see what you like.
>talents
Damage, attack speed, and toughness DR/regen are king outside of some more specialized nodes. Definitely take the talent that makes weakspot hits on enemies have them count as staggered. A lot of your shit functions off staggered (and staggering also makes them count as electrocuted for things like High Voltage). You'll see a common trend among most of the talents posted here, so use that as a starting point. If you have specific questions, I'm happy to answer them though.

>>528741660
>How the class essentially works
You are a staggerGOD regenMAXXER, and you also shock things well. You stagger things, you do more damage and regenerate toughness. You block attacks, you maybe do more damage and also maybe regenerate toughness. You shock things, you weapon blessings can make you do more damage. Arby is characterized by a shit-ton of easy access toughness regen. Dog gives you immense utility as does Lone Wolf but differently.
>>528741965
>the weapons
For the Arbites Shock Maul, the best blessings are 1. Execution 2. Confident Strike 3. High Voltage. It already has great damage against Carapace and Unyielding therefore Thunderous won't make much of an impact.
The special attack will stun any enemies that have been electrocuted (sparks coming out of their model). Keep in mind that your heavy attacks are guaranteed to electrocute enemies. So the combo is, heavy attack, and then special attack, and they'll be stunned, and it will deal a great amount of DOT damage to them. This is a single-target combo, as the special attack has very low damage and cleave by itself.
The horde clear loop is Push Attack into Heavy into Light and then Heavy to Light and repeat, or Light into Heavy into Light and repeat.
>Shield and Maul
High Voltage and Confident Strike for this one. Rending isn't valuable because it already has great damage against Carapace and so the damage increase would only be like 5% or something like that. It's a perfect mix of offense and defense, the special attack light-staggering things in front of you up to like, I'd say 20 meters? But it has worse single-target damage than the Arbites Shock Maul.
I've only used the MkXI so far, and for it, the horde clear combo is a loop of Heavy attack and then Light attack. For single-targets, a loop of heavy attacks works well.

>>528740965
you see talents like smither or mainstay in VT2 or skullscrusher on DT? He's basically this, you get talents to stagger and talents which increase dmg against staggered

>>528741140
>>528741298
It’s really obvious once you hear it and it’s also really annoying once you hear it

Congratulations to fatshark. They finally managed to make a second usable shield (ogryn is the other one) with the shotpistol.
Mace&shield meanwhile is complete garbage just like every single shield in Vermintide. Always the same that it cripples mobility and damage output in a game where both are king.

Concussive feels overrated as fuck, you already stagger everything up to and including ogryns, and if you're worried about bosses you have the regenerating dog blitz to enable skullcrusher.
I also hate retards who shill stupid blessing choices on whether it nets you better results before being at full buffs, as if fighting a single crusher is dangerous, or the buffs require more than a couple attacks to max out, or you're so bad at movement that your buffs expire before you make it to the next enemy in auric.
>>528736787
You don't need everything absolutely stacked to the max but a decent amount of buffs is required. I was two shot headshotting with H1 into push attack in the psykhanium, and that's missing buffs like arbites revelatum/execution order/breaking dissent, you could even skip target priority if you feel confident about refreshing your buffs or taking a hit more on your first couple crushers.
>>528739136
>no dog bleed node which is so valuable it's better than 10% attack speed that only procs when attacking poxies
>no ammo node, disses dog aura even though it gives TDR
>talks about breakpoints yet includes target the weak when it's literally impossible for it to improve two shots, an extremely common point in most arbites weapons
>taking both the small +10% melee damage and target priority
>small cleave node (useless) over small impact node
>damage vs suppressed instead of more and better dodges
Oh shit nigger what are you doing. At least you included the movement speed on dog pounce node, that one is active near permanently.
>>528739356
LW's damage doesn't give you breakpoints, the DR is only 7.5% more than if you took the dog aura, and the attack speed is nice but it doesn't make up for the dog applying bleed all the time and disrupting everything constantly with pounces. The only reason to take LW is to spam shock mines because they are by far the most OP part of his kit, otherwise you are paying a talent point to be worse off.

>>528715396
>youtubers
Yeah because they're fucking retarded.
>'beetus has +20% to monsters and ogryn only 2 points out of the way of literally every good build
>it's such a good node that you probably want to sacrifice something for it
>the best keystone (are you seriously going to give up +10% move speed?) has +30% monster damage in it
>ranged builds set up concussive skullcrusher and then rape monsters with bolter
>okay but what about melee
>still take the +50% monstrosity damage
>remember that monstrosities take massively inflated burn damage
>oh hey, the accatran combat shotgun can burn
>deduce that strength applies to burn, take full bore for +20%
>realize that builds that aren't shit reach 29% crit rate on the shotgun
>right, bleed is also good, isn't it?
>equip accatran with unyielding, full bore and flechette
>rape monstrosities before your retards can even attempt to do their dog explosion stagger penance
>this is without concussive skullcrusher abuse
I swear I'm not switching away from this gun. Randos always panic, flail and wipe to monstrosities. Being able to delete pozzslug in under 10 seconds is not something I'm willing to give up.

>>528741625
It's a fairly powerful aoe DOT in addition to the stagger.
You sic your dog on a (execution order marked) elite and brap the others around it.
With a bit of rending from the shield maul and the tree, it can put a dent in pretty much anything armored while clearing most types of chaff.
And then you also have the capability to stagger and dot monstrosities. It even staggers beasts of nurgle.

>>528742478
>Arbites Shock Maul
I'd say top 3 are Exec, High Voltage, and Relentless Strikes. Confident is pretty redundant with how much toughness regen Arbites gets. Relentless brings up the monstrosity damage if you don't have a more specialized monster-killer. Haven't checked how it affects breakpoints on elites though. I doubt it does much there tbqhwy
>special attack
Very true, however the heavy-light loop on it is so strong you don't really need the dot. You can 3 shot Crushers pretty easily without a crit or stacks.
>horde clear
You can also push attack-heavy-heavy for double sweeping heavies. That's unique to push-attack follow-ups though, I believe.

>>528742920
Agree, that's an incredibly troll build. PSA the Impact node lets the arbites shock maul stagger Crushers.

>>528742990
Yeah, but he's talking about the Arbites shotgun.

>>528741334
But there's nothing really to explain, it's a braindead class with rehashed abilities from other classes and inflated buffs on talents. You get like 190% more damage from tree, all your weapons have high stagger so horde clear is extremely easy, shield + maul combo has stupid overpowered shock release which is basically a free second blitz on short cooldown
you build for melee by grabbing talents that give extra damage, extra damage to staggered enemies and a node that makes enemies count as staggered on melee hit (even if you can't stagger them)
for blessings you take skullcrusher if it's available, and then anything that gives you strength or extra damage to shocked enemies (high voltage, etc.)
buffing the dog is questionable but it provides nice support even without buffs
you can also melt bosses with bolter after smacking them twice with any skullcrusher weapon, yes there's mr e video about it but it's not his idea as usual, everyone could see that before release
if you struggle with survivability there's stupid strong toughness regeneration nodes like will of the lex (forceful modifier) and man and cyber mastiff (above dog detonation blitz)

>>528742990
>Randos always panic, flail and wipe to monstrosities.
On what, damnation?
No difficulty below aurics needs to be even discussed and I havent had that sort of experience. Randoms might be incapable of killing a boss effectively but its pretty rare to see someone who is so shit that they're unable to ignore a boss and focus down more threatening enemies.

>>528742421
>slower Zealot
you wish
I've seen ogryn struggling to keep up with two arbys
I could see that because I was following last as a psyker

>>528742990
thats because people are retarded, im more afraid of crushers than most bosses, because they dont have unblockable attacks that just one shot you instantly and theres usually no more than 1 of them at a time, the most dangerous one is the plague ogryn just because he can knock you off the map and instantakill you

>>528692138
>inb4 we get Kroot or Corsair next to a Dark Heresy release

crusher or maul?
I personally hate shield, too slow and being able to block shots builds bad habits

>>528743356
ogryn and psyker, famously known to be fast

Explain to me why I'm retarded.

>>528743323
>On what, damnation?
Aurics, of course. Bosses are irrelevant in lower difficulties because they don't spawn enough threatening enemies to focus on anything BUT the boss. And in aurics, you should still have someone focus on general horde clear or at least horde control and deleting disablers while the others do the boss.
Yes, this is a thing. Aurics are also more densely populated with complete tards than ever. Big health bar shows up, scary music starts playing, and everyone's collective IQ drops by around 60 points because they lose their cool and panic. Most of my auric losses were to this exact thing.
Also monstrosities aren't generally an issue in high havoc where you have 1-2 dedicated boss killing guys anyways.

>>528743385
>the most dangerous one is the plague ogryn
I'm more afraid of beast of nurgle, because it's actually dangerous depending on environment, and whether you have a bubble psyker. Hitting it in the ass requires actual team work, which is nonexistent because see above. I can dome ogryns even on builds that don't have dedicated boss killing.

Does Sustained Fire work on shotguns?

>>528743828
What are you implying? Ogryn charge gives extra movement speed and with his huge stamina pool he can sprint everywhere. Ogryn is very fast unless you're a retarded LOOOOGGER or TOOONKER.
Psyker has access to knife, that's enough to be fast.

>>528743895
Agreed, BoN is absolutely the most dangerous boss because of some of the spawn locations and how it can just lock down an entire zone if you can't physically get around it.

>>528743985
>Ogryn charge
nobody above heresy takes ogryn charge

>>528743985
they're "fast" just not zealot fast

>>528743895
Hm, maybe its a region thing. Sounds like you play on ameriburger servers where the collective IQ is already at room temp

>>528736068
>Getting caught by aa dog
wtf, I understand pubs are braindead but I thought they could at least take responsibility for their own fuck ups.

>>528741660
>'Concussive' is a must-have every build.
Couldn't be more wrong, you already stagger everything short of a boss easily, and the main thing you'd use it for in a boss doesn't work beyond the first couple seconds, see image related.
>You want 'Target the Weak'
Most arbites melees when built correctly already two shot most things with a decent amount of buffs, not even at full. Target the weak cannot improve two shots because its damage bonus can only ever apply to a second attack. It does become good in havoc because everything has 50% more HP though.
>Forceful and Executive Order are the only real choices
I'd add here that forceful requires an extra talent point to get to because you don't want any of the preceding talents outside of a very specific exception. +15% melee rending is pure ass with no relevant breakpoints and +75% cleave isn't actually improving damage it just lets you hit more things, you already have to try really hard to exhaust your hit mass cap in auric, and even in havoc any target beyond the third will not get meaningful breakpoints from such decreased damage. True grit is a shitter node in aurics, but in havocs it could save you from a poxburster or crusher one shot, if your team has no golden toughness that is.
>It's still debated which dog keystone is better
None of them are good. The dog deals 160 damage per instance to most human sized targets, and 400 damage to things it can't disable like mutants, unyielding, and other dogs. Neither of them will meaningfully reduce the amount of hits and therefore time required to kill. Execution order is the real MVP here, the dog can only kill stuff relatively fast because of its +150% damage boost, and it also gives you other buffs to yourself, so there's no contest.
>For Break the Line
I would recommend the extra distance node too, it doubles the maximum distance and lets you reach elites if you're not up in their face already.

>>528744047
Tooonking is only useful in Havoc40 and loooogging is a meme tier build only barely viable with grenade launcher.

>>528744151
watch out guys he has the serious hat on

>>528743895
>And in aurics, you should still have someone focus on general horde clear or at least horde control and deleting disablers while the others do the boss.
If your teams keep wiping to bosses because no one is focusing on specials/hordes, and in your own admission it only takes 1, why the fuck aren't you that guy? Way to self-report.

>>528740903
>Very powerful, literally the only reason to take lone wolf
Plus all the other attributes combined as a package deal. That's the point.

>>528744109
EU. Sl*voids exist, and many people suffer from crippling language barrier. I've had more success with cooperative, communicative teams on US servers, ironically.

>>528744236
>boss aggroes on you
>can't get away from it in time
>boss also survives for several minutes on end because everyone is panicking and spreading out
I wish it were that simple.

>>528744151
>Most arbites melees when built correctly already two shot most things with a decent amount of buffs, not even at full.
And what does that look like?

>>528744236
He's the protagonist, its his job to kill the boss. The NPCs should be on horde clear duty.

>>528743895
nah, you can manage slug because hes a slow bastard, and the only real dangerous action it can take is to eat you

>>528744202
>only useful in Havoc40
as opposed to the charge which isn't useful at all

>>528744371
On anything below high havocs charge lets you easily scoop up all the green circles and stay ahead of the shitters which is the only reason to even play these games

>>528744202
taunt is always useful because it's an instant AOE interrupt that works against everything which will always be valuable in hazard situations

>>528698094

>>528744482
or you could just play zealot if your goal's to run ahead, since it'll do that better than ogryn

The mk XI suppression shield only gets about 3% more damage against carapace with opportunity if you already have the +15% rending talent

You are safe to take confident strike and save a whole bunch of talents on toughness regen

>>528742920
>no ammo node
Yes, and? I've had zero ammo problems without it doing Auric and Auric Maelstroms, and I wasn't building with Havocs in mind if that's what you're after since someone asking for a build is unlikely to be playing them.
>Dog bleed
Doesn't even kill poxies unless they get double-tapped. Unless your dog is bouncing literally every second or two, you're gonna have to explain that one to me.
>disses dog aura even though it gives TDR
And toughness and toughness DR isn't in short supply.
>talks about breakpoints yet includes target the weak when it's literally impossible for it to improve two shots, an extremely common point in most arbites weapons
Yeah because I also haven't messed with them that much. The point was that he's passed on a ton of damage nodes and gotten little in return.
>small cleave node (useless) over small impact node
Fair. But unless I'm missing something, the 25% wasn't a major improvement with the maul and shield or arbites maul. It makes one of the shock maul and shield variants stagger 1 hit earlier and the arbites maul will stagger on its first heavy regardless.
>damage vs suppressed instead of more and better dodges
That's a good point, but it's not like that node is unskippable. Try dropping the talent and seeing if anything actually changed for you. You can dodge just fine without it, and it's not just you triggering suppression.

Arbies shotgun blessings?

>>528692138
Eldar have long been teased in Sefoni's meat grinder banter, it's not surprising that they finally decided to follow up that plot thread (among half dozen others like Brunt's disappearance, Melk secretly searching for something or the impending uprising by the nobility against the governor), but it's probably a nothingburger at best.

I love seeing lone wolf users getting mutanted on dogged

I think the class is really well designed, You aren't pigeon-holed into linear paths like the other classes, you have a wide variety of strong damage nodes and utility nodes on all trees that make almost anything feel viable. I can freely lean into the playstyle of my choice without having to sacrifice talent nodes that actually give me killing power, instead letting me focus on how I want to execute that power.
With that being said, I think I might have the strongest build.
Much like grenade veteran, your shock dog grenade inherits the bonus radius from bolt pistol's lethal proximity and the bleed and brittleness nodes also apply to enemies hit by the shock. If 2 people detonate their dogs on a pack of crushers at the same time, it will instantly delete them with the stacked bleed and brittleness stacks. Even just one person doing it is enough to finish them off with all the bonus damage on stagger talents you have stacked. Also the Maul + Shield is super fucking comfy; the combos make it feel like a weapon taken straight out of Vermintide.

>https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3cedc9-f1ce-4c01-ae3c-b972ca5ff8cd/boom-dog

>push poxie
>someone's dog also pushes it sideways at the same moment and the dog teleported there
>lose 60% hp

>>528745305
skill issue, should have had your dog push it

>>528745198
Shit build

>>528743456
We’ll get neither, too extreme on the power scale.
>>528744602
Holy cutie!

>>528709220
The hell is this image

>>528742478
>>528743182
Execution is worse than high voltage, it's less damage and arbites also has several outside ways to inflict electrocution from his talent tree or guns. If you want boss damage you'd go high voltage and relentless strikes.
>>528743289
>You get like 190% more damage from tree
Only because all of his melee weapons are shitty and low damage on other clases and the guns are either snipers which already one shot or low damage high ROF, the tree is overcompensating for the former and doesn't really benefit the latter. The only exception is boltgun, which does get insane and honestly shouldn't be in his arsenal, his talent tree was clearly designed around a bad weapon selection.

>>528746119
marine chapters with funny names:
space sharks
minotaurs
salamenders
crimson fists

>>528745305
>lose 60% hp
But don't take true grit, right?

>>528746119
Mocking the Space Wolves helmets for being too literal to the chapter name

>>528712327
Damn, Hereteks look like *that*!!!!????

>>528746172
>>528746269
… Oh. Lol. That’s actually clever.

>>528746147
>Execution is worse than high voltage
Oh, for sure. I hadn't meant to imply it was better by ordering it that way. My bad

>quick play auric
>enemy density feels like malice
Am I just spoiled by havoc, or did fatshark really fuck something up with the amount of enemies that spawn?

>>528746613
Inferno modifier seems to work like lights out where density is less. Otherwise, no idea. I hadn't noticed a difference, but I hadn't played much in the last several months either

>>528743879
I'd say perhaps too many dog specific nodes? the dog honestly doesn't need much to be decent, Razor Jaw Augment, canine morale, those could be better spent points.

Is there an issue with the dog's AI?
Some games it is extremely efficient, but some other games he just stays by my side aimlessly despite being surrounded by enemies or just wanders around, looks at an enemy like it's about to jump it, but then decides it's better to fuck off somewhere else to look at another enemy and ends up pouncing on nothing for the whole fight

>>528704812
No idea. It's not like Darktide even needs to force everyone into those same missions with playerbase this large and crossplay on top of this. VT2 has no such issues and people can even restrict themselves to solo mode. I like to play like this.

Probably Dedicated Servers are at fault here. Asking for them for years monkey pawed Tiders hard. All that was really needed was proper host migration which doesn't restart a mission and it would be fine

>>528745198
I'm of two minds about it. The dog is so usefully streamlined all the naysayers ate their words, but at the same time it almost doesn't feel like a pet class with how hands off it is. There's no strategy beyond ping enemy, no reason to ever track your dog's position unless you take the EMP. And that simplicity pervades the class.
The tree is made up of basic buffs that stack into making you insanely strong, but hardly any of them are exciting on their own. Keystones are ripped from other classes and do very little to alter your playstyle, except Terminus heavily encouraging high RoF guns which is like the old issue with gunlugger now with less armor pen. Nuncio Aquila is bizarrely reserved in its execution and borderline useless as a result. Castigators likewise wears off too quickly - I hoped for more of a mode change like Exe Stance instead of a burst toughness steroid - and doesn't facilitate a CQC ranged playstyle as much as content creators advertised especially given the lack of ammo refunds. Bash is the obvious BiS.
For weapons, the arbites shotgun is amazing but I was expecting a few talents specifically buffing shotguns to enforce it as its class identity. Again, the tree is full of generics. Arbites shock maul is great and the crusher/maul see new life but that's 4/7 melees that play very similarly.

Still I'm having a lot of fun and the tree is the best so far in terms of giving you plenty of equally viable paths and spare points. But I'd be shocked if the next class isn't more complex now that they know people will buy it. The VT2 DLC career philosophy felt hyperspecialized while arbites is specialized in flavor only. You just faceroll.
Though I'll give that build a shot. I'm interested in getting everything I can out of the dog.

>>528747124
The nodes that make it want to target ranged enemies or elites apparantly fuck with that AI and can make it prone to staring into space when its ideal target isn't present.

>>528743828
ogryn is almost as fast as zealot though?
I never implied psyker was fast, I said I could watch the competition from behind

>>528747329
Who told you that? Psyker and Ogryn are tied for slowest movement speed in the game's files. Zealot is fastest. Vet is in the middle. I don't know what the Arbites looks like compared to them, haven't checked.

>>528747329
for all of a couple seconds, otherwise no

>>528744117
how about I was fighting a boss while 3 retards where running around like headless chickens contributing nothing?
surely it was my responsibility to focus fucking dogs
surely one of the retards could spare 1 second of their attention span to shoot a dog when it was pouncing me right before them

>>528715953
Nah, SM2 combat is more complex than dumbed down combat in Darktide

I haven't had the time to play much. How good is the shotgun (either variant) in havoc?

>>528747619
It does things psyker and zealot flames do better

>>528746147
>all of his melee weapons are shitty and low damage
orly?
>weapons are shitty and low damage on other clases
which means they are in line for buffs and will become even more op on arbites if tree doesn't change

>>528747548
SM2 is a shit gayme THOUGH

>>528748218
Nah, it's the true successor to VT2 honestly and a much better game overall than DT, with more indepth combat system.

>>528748401
>soulslop with a coat of 40k paint is the true successor to VT2
My bad I thought I was replying to a genuine poster, just pretend that I never replied

>>528748401
keeeeeeeeeeek

>>528747271
I think Castigator could be buffed in that it gives you more movement speed when you hit enemies and make it so that more you killing enemies extends the duration of Castigator Stance.

I think a simple but an effective buff for the Nuncio Aquila would be to make it so that it follows you around. It'd make it really fun.

>>528748401
>with more indepth combat system.
I hate that I can't tell if this is bait or your real dogshit opinion.

>>528747124
That's is why I use the ranged enemies node because it increases his search radius from 16 to 45 meters

You merge the blue ones, get rid of red nodes, grey are new paths.
Get all the shitty 5% quell and toughness DR and put them into one or two nodes.

>>528749125
Also just straight up rework a lot of these dogshit talents.

Any of you using Power DI? Has that been updated to show dog damage? I'm trying to see if the bleed on pounce dog talent is worth grabbing, but its bleed doesn't show up as my own, so I have no idea if it's actually worth a point.

>>528748568
>>528748771
>>528748916
It is
Darktide has utterly braindead, massively dumbed down from VT2 combat system. Dodging and pushing is barely a thing now, everything instantly dies once you merely swing into their general direction. There is STILL no Stormvermin equivalent even. You just spam left click all the time. Unlike SM2 which actually retains difficulty and forces you to duel and learn enemy attack patterns
Every single mission in SM2 is drastically different and handcrafted with care, with completely unique gameplay segments. It has multiple premade boss fights even. Darkslop reuses entire areas in it's low effort missions
SM2 has 6 classes already on a release and we know Techmarine will be playable soon as well
All melee weapons have significantly more complex attack patterns down to changing combat styles and you can customize their moveset with perks on top of other gimmicky weapon perks and class perks
Instead of Nurgleslop SM2 chose interesting 2 factions from 40k with completely different playstyle and varied enemies. Variety honestly mogs the shit out of DT which has just Traitor Guard and Cultists with reskinned, functionally identical units
Instead of Reject retardation, SM2 has a proper, sensible story with cool characters
All weapons are cool and thematic for the setting instead of flooding armory with some random toothbrushes
It constantly gets updates with new weapons, missions, gamemodes, enemies etc and it released a mere year ago.
All of the basic gameplay mechanics like fucking mission and difficulty selection, equipment etc are designed sensibly instead of needing years of reworking to get them to a functional state like in DT

SM2 mogs DT so hard it's unreal really. It's objectively, straight superior in every single way, in both quantity and quality. Only actual issue it has is how hard it separates Campaign from Operations, because those great Campaign missions are stuck in a separate gamemode with no quickplay.

>>528738769
grenade regen is crazy good

>>528749718
Updated PowerDI does indeed now track companion damage, but it doesn't seem to track damage type for the dog, unless I'm missing something.

>>528749957
>Dodging and pushing is barely a thing now
>Dodging is barely a thing now
Stopped reading right there

>>528750065
Yes. Melee enemies barely even bother swinging in DT. You don't need to dodge and push all the time like in VT2 where enemies actually attempt to hit you

>>528749957
>SM2 mogs DT so hard it's unreal really
Is this bait? SM2 looks gorgeous but its gameplay is just a glorified QTE simulator. They couldn't even get the sounds for the boltguns right either.

>>528750156
>You don't need to dodge
Stopped reading right there

One day I'll be able to leave this game without it crashing.

>>528749957
>There is STILL no Stormvermin equivalent even
Mauler?

>>528750051
Fuck. I may just end up needing to swap over. I tried it briefly and disliked the UI compared to his scoreboard plugin's simplicity.

>>528749957
>There is STILL no Stormvermin equivalent even.
Crushers are the stormvermin equivalent.

>>528750223
retard
>>528750193
No, it isn't. SM2 combat has higher skill ceiling than DT.
>>528750341
It's Mauler

>>528750616
>SM2 combat has higher skill ceiling than DT.
HAHAHAHAHA

Why does that retard earlier in the thread act like taking Concussive isn't mandatory because you can either take Suppression Protocols (which can only be accessed via Concussive) or you take two shitty passives, and two bad auras? Autist, if you're still here, explain your retardation.

I love this dog thing

>>528750836
Yes. Monsters like Carnifexes and Helbrutes actually require learning their attack patterns unlike meme like Plague Ogryns. Various tougher melee enemies equivalent to Stormvermin like Tyranid Warriors are everywhere and they will engage you in melee and will force you to learn when to block/parry or dodge unlike in DT and just like in VT2. Variety of enemy types is higher in general from sorcerers, which are still missing completely from DT, to various flying units, burrowing ones, invisible, spawning others etc. Tyranid Warrior variants ALONE almost encompass bulk of enemy variety in DT kek.

>>528751238
>Bulge Biter
kek

>>528750374
You can run both the regular scoreboard for a quick estimation you can peek at without having to wait for the fucking thing to load, and Power DI for a more detailed breakdown after the game.
As for the bleed node, I just had a game with it, basically spammed pounces, and the dog did only 23k out of 360k total damage. It did register a lot of kills, but that's not worth a point I could be spending on toughness regen.

Good morning. Nice bait.

>>528751293
Bro stormvermin in VT2 are a fodder enemy. Cataclysm SVs come in hordes and get wiped out by just vaguely swinging in their general direction.
Are you thinking of VT1? There due to general incompetence and lower power level SVs were at least a bit threatening.

>>528751293
>will force you to learn when to block/parry
Blue for parry.
Orange for dodge.
There's nothing to learn.
>oh boy here comes the nid warrior ,what should I do???
>parry
>parry
>gunshot
>parry
>parry
>gunshot
>execute
>repeat
wow, exciting

>>528751521
You can actually parry *any* attack that isn't orange even if it doesn't flash you a blue mark, but personally I find the fact your weapons don't do dick for damage outside of counters rather annoying, and the map variety of the game is really poor even compared to darktide.
I don't know why that guy wants to die on the SM2 hill.

>>528751352
Very nice. I was gonna check that later on, but you saved me the effort. Thanks
>As for the bleed node, I just had a game with it, basically spammed pounces, and the dog did only 23k out of 360k total damage. It did register a lot of kills, but that's not worth a point I could be spending on toughness regen.
Oh, yeah that sounds pretty shit. I'll probably still check it out once I download Power DI, but I imagine I'll be taking it out and adding back in the flat 10% melee damage or another toughness regen node as well.
>basically spammed pounces
Wait, is the only way for the dog to pounce for you to manually trigger it? Does its normal targeting not ever pounce? Fuck me. I suddenly hate pounce nodes if that's the case.

>>528751638
SM2 has very cinematic animations and stuff, so maybe it makes him *feel* like it's a more engaging system.

>>528751397
it's sad people keep falling to it

They should add a ratling that mocks the CACAdian

>>528751713
>Wait, is the only way for the dog to pounce for you to manually trigger it?
The dog will pounce on its own, but I pinged a lot to force it to pounce on dense hordes of (shot)gunners and such. The bleed is noticeable, but taking the node requires such awkward investment. The actual damage dealer is the shock on pounced target, which allows the dog to kill shit.

I don't even know if the bottom left keystone affects dog bleed, in which case it might be okay, but even then those 23k damage would optimally only come out to some 60k-ish, and very little of that was bleed I'd assume. It warrants testing I guess. My dog has been doing fine without bleed.

>>528752041
I should clarify, I think the bottom left keystone is still the best because you get +10% move speed and the dog damage becomes relevant

>>528751475
They aren't. They are an armored enemy which will mostly one shot you and with another shield variant. They force you to learn melee combat and don't let you to zone out like in DT where Poxwalkers and cultists take ages to swing unlike Skavenslaves
>>528751521
This isn't different from Tide games which also have attacks you dodge, interrupt or parry. But VT2 and SM2 actually make use of those and force players to interact with those mechanics, DT doesn't
>>528751638
DT has no mission variety at all. They made a retarded choice to set everything into a single hive city despite having an entire galaxy. Every mission looks this same, every mission plays this same and they even couldn't be fucked to make missions actually separate and instead reuse entire areas in their lazy mission reskins, with those same few hacking minigames in every mission.
SM2 has 6 unique missions in Campaign, with the last one being twice the length of others and 9 in Operations. Every single one is drastically different with unique gameplay segments. It's objectively superior even in this regard.

damn this guy REALLY hates darktide, while residing in the darktide general.

>>528752041
>The dog will pounce on its own, but I pinged a lot to force it to pounce on dense hordes of (shot)gunners and such.
Oh, okay. Thank god.
>The bleed is noticeable, but taking the node requires such awkward investment.
What do you mean? I've just been running it like this
>The actual damage dealer is the shock on pounced target, which allows the dog to kill shit.
Ah. Voltaic Mandables? I hadn't tried that one yet. Threw it on just now, and it seems like a good DPS upgrade for the dog. I'd planned on playing with that when I got my second Arbites shotgun so I could run the tight spread variant with its own blessings and not have to constantly swap it. I mostly grabbed the bleed 'cause I had a free point floating around and some extra AOE damage seemed pretty good.
>I don't even know if the bottom left keystone affects dog bleed
Yeah. Would be nice if we could actually try that in the meat grinder. I swear the game wants me to turn the healthbars mod on in real games to figure shit out, and it just gets worse as time goes on.

>>528752209
Yeah, the bottom left seems fucking great. I was expecting to hate it, but not having to stack it like the Psyker one makes it so much nicer. Contrarily, I'd been expecting to like the melee-ranged hybrid node like I do Vet's, but this one looks fucking shit.

>my video game is better than your video game

>>528752582
>>The bleed is noticeable, but taking the node requires such awkward investment.
>What do you mean?
I don't think either of the connecting nodes are all that amazing, but I'll have to do some experimenting with bleed and bottom left keystone. Currently grinding out the stupid weapons specialist penance.

>>528751521
Nigga you could kill one without having to parry and gunstrike that much, one gunstrike and parrying its first combo is enough. Literally shot the nid or melee it between parries/dodge gunstrikes and it goes down faster than what you said there waiting for it to attack.

>>528753089
Target Neutralized and No Escape are both good. That said, Target Neutralized is one of the worse toughness regen nodes for Arbites, amazingly, and No Escape's duration is pretty damn short, so I can see where you're coming from.
And if you meant Man and Cyber-Mastiff and the ranged damage, then yeah. Absolutely fuck those nodes.
>Currently grinding out the stupid weapons specialist penance.
My condolences. That one's a skip for me since I don't think it's connected to any of the free cosmetics.

>>528752330
>Poxwalkers and cultists take ages to swing unlike Skavenslaves
It's funny I got way use to DT played it more but once I went back to VT2 it felt way harder just because of that.

>>528753210
sure but you're missing the point. They're different styles of combat. What people find enjoyable is subjective. Some people like turn based combat, some people don't.

>>528753089
WS is one of the funnest nodes in the game

>>528753571
Weapons Specialist ACTUAL is fun. Mall cop version isn't.

Rashad - check
Bolter - check
Lone wolf - check
Smite mine - check

Yep. It's arbites time

>Auric: Always some random clutter of poxwalkers annoying me while I take out specials
>Havoc 40: Everything is clean and clear and under control
Why is it like this?

>>528753938
People kill the poxwalkers because they are dangerous in havocs

>>528753938
Because the idea is to win in Havoc, not have your name appear on the killfeed the most.

>>528753938
All the shitters play on Auric now. Before that they were all in Heresy. Literally the the difficulty below the hardest is where they tend to congregate.
If they release something harder than Havoc then all the shitters will move to Havoc

My video game is objectively better than yours

Hmm yes, I think it will fit my tac axe + laspistol build perfectly

How fucking long is this "campaign"? What the fuck was I thinking?

>>528754150

>>528754212
>he fell for it
me too

Watching the Brahms' memories on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWCrhd6wOGs

In this video I 100% guarantee that the Mysterious Voice is Grendyl. And that he is the "curse" of the Mourningstar that Brahms and her mother talked about. The curse being the family forever roped into the servitude of the Inquisition.

>>528754212
It's every mission so far, and they've said that subsequent missions will appear as another mission in line too.

>>528754212
>>528754252
>volunteering yourself for anything fartshart produces

>>528754250
Hey, that's LITERALLY me!
Also, I'm running +3 stam curio with 3x stamina regen/sprint boost
Yeah, I know

>>528754212
17 missions and it is just the same old shit we've seen and done before.

>>528746613
Fatshark said they fucked up the auric difficulty and said they'll make high intensity auric (whatever that is) the default baseline with the next update.
But yes it's absolutely fucked just 2 manned it with a rando and we were falling asleep at the wheel

>>528751293
>muh pattern memorization = skill
I can 100% tell you still get grabbed by chaos spawn in DT btw

The dog is a crutch

>>528754969
How long until it's fixed do you think?

Unlocked aurics without a single failed mission or death

>>528755083
Your feat will be remembered in the annals of /copeg/. Good job.

>>528749957
>1723863228991560.jpg
Totally your screenshot, pal.

>>528755083
You didn't say you weren't downed, lexmate.

>>528755083
holy shit, I kneel

>>528754212
I paid the 50k to get out

>>528700103
that is really, really not what sanctioning means in this case

>laser gunner suddenly decides he can just beam me down instantly from 100m away
>someone picks me up while he's still alive
>dead before I can even move my character

>me gruk
>me unga
>gruk team also unga
gruk know good times not last...

>>528754287
>Rannick has somehow never met Grendyl
>there is someone slaved to the Mourningstar that seems to keep it running
>Karim is doing experiments regarding them
>somehow this "Mysterious Voice" is a curse on the ship
>has been haunting the ship for generations now
Oh god, it's the Pontius storyline all over again. Except this guy just sounds like a retard who I am guessing is trying to get Karim to give him a natural body and unbind him from the Mourningstar.

I am not convinced that Grendyl and the Mysterious Voice are the same person. Grendyl's characterization has been brought in line with an almost Palpatine Moustache Twirler that actually seems like an Inquisitor, even if he is supremely radical. This dude just kinda seems like he's stuck there and has a great deal of power over the ship, presumably because of what mechanism it is that keeps him alive/part of the ship. Also, the Mysterious Voice's VA is literally Swagger's with a slightly different intonation to make himself sound older.

>>528755615
dominance established

well fuck you too

>>528755032
Knowing Fatshark?
Probably a month.

>far less mobility than ogryn or zealot
>people are actually getting kills before me
I'm not sure i like this

>stagger enemies to trigger the ability
>the dog's attacks stagger and count toward it
>stacks count down one by one
>literally just play the game for an hour to get the penance
Retards

>>528756253
I don't like Havoc because it feels like I'm getting bullied when I get declined 5 times in a row :(

>>528756012
I still think that Grendyl is the mysterious voice, because it'd explain why Rannick has never seen him in person.
Also in the memories Brahms specifically ask Rannick if he has ever seen Grendyl in person, with a more inquisitive tone to gauge Rannick's reaction. To which Rannick truthfully replies no.
Which is very interesting to me.

I know, it's the best
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3d321d-3884-4314-a2e3-43924d6fb275/axelot

>>528756414
Actually better. I don't want to waste a fucking week playing a keystone just to get 1 penance done.
Yes. I'm looking at you Execution Order

>>528756728
>havoc 34 trying to enter my havoc 35? DENIED.

>>528756806
Zealot build? What the fuck? This is the Arby thread

>>528756880
Execution order is actually good and fun so I don't give a fuck if it'll take a while.

>arbites shock maul
>exterminator shotgun mk 8
these are the only two pieces of kit arbites has
>b-buh skullcrusher
>sir, your bolter?
"No."

turns u into a servo barrel

>>528757557
Same, I'm stuck with those two.
Arbimaul feels like a faster crusher. It just werks.

>>528758157
>>528757557
yep

Only penance I have left is street brawler, with 350 left on it, wheres the best place to barge into elites and specials a lot?
Mortis again perhaps?