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New DD Spice Layout PVE patch edition

>What is this?
A mass-multiplayer survival game, set in the Dune universe.
A mix of PvE and PvP, focusing heavily on PvP in the endgame.

>Links
https://duneawakening.com/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1172710/Dune_Awakening/

>Crowd-sourced DD map
https://vps800955.ovh.net/maps_dune_awakening/
https://www.planetologist.app/

>THREAD GUILDS:
US: Dune, Solitary, Sietch Tabr (Atrei UH des)
EU: Spice Rats, Solaria, Sietch Tabr (Atrei UH des)

Every time the thread archives I'm asleep or at work, and it seems there's only one other anon that cares to keep it alive?
Thread regulars should learn how to make threads and keep an eye on the bump limit.

>>528916870
Yours was up faster. We should use this. And we have so much to talk about as the pveers get a "you think you want it, but you don't" moment.

>>528917241
I'm not OP but at least it means there's three of us.

>>528917916
Game falloff was pretty fast. It happens.

OP of this thread here. I made it because I saw there was no thread for a good moment. I don't normally do OPs so feel free to let this one die and use the other one.

Godspeed

>>528916701 (OP)
T-1:30hs to go home and dune my shit up

Also superior thread because OP has the spicestika

>>528916870
If I try everyone will make fun of me

Where is the advanced trooper trainer?

>>528920212
https://www.google.com/search?q=Where+is+the+advanced+trooper+trainer%3F

>>528920212
arrakeen, 2nd floor

im enjoying the game outside of DD

>>528920592
But I don't want to sort through boring and useless and often unfilled or AI generated fandom wikis

What are these ceiling lights? I can't find them anywhere, not in the lighting, but not in the walls or roofs either

>>528920212
Arakeen

I've just visited DD for the first time, and it seems pretty fucking empty. There are some labs and wrecks in the first row, and then basically empty sands stretching for kilometers, what's up with that? Is it meant to be so boring?

>>528918758
hasn't really happened yet. Another week or two. Most of the players dropping the game right now were a minority who played it for free in beta and already saw everything there is to see in the game.

It's also got nothing to do with deep desert changes or PVE vs PVP this or that

they just forgot to attach an actual gameplay loop - of any kind - to their game.

Literally all you have is some back and forth to collect loot chests/resources (gets boring just about immediately), grinding on the gear treadmill (last about a week), and some building autism (last about 3-4 house builds). This game's about as mentally engaging as cookie clicker. I legit think their creative lead has an IQ hovering around 90.

>>528920961
yes it is dogshit LMAO

>>528920729
https://duneawakening.com/twitch-drops/

>>528920729
the lights are roof lights you buy at some tradepost i forget, the square ones are one of the choam roof tiles, from the top they look like grated metal.

>>528921063
ahhh, that's fucking gay
>>528921137
>the square ones are one of the choam roof tiles, from the top they look like grated metal.
yeah, I've tried them all, I've got no such thing, and I'm pretty sure I've bought all base related packages. Must be the twitch stuff.

>>528921307
huh, i didnt even do the twitch thing and i have them

>>528920961
Did you expected to see any else but sand in mass quantity in a place called Deep Desert? Its suppose to be sparse since you have your orni you retard

>>528921443
It's the middle one I assume? Maybe you watched something without even knowing about the drops.

>>528921307
You jave until Jul 8

>>528921632
ah damn, yeah those are the ones, i guess i must have, can't remember

>>528921660
>missed the atreides stuff
dammit getting fucking fomo'd already

I'm trying to collect spice using a T4 compactor and it worked one time, but didn't spawn any pickable thingies during several other attempts.
Is this a bug or I missed some step in the process?

>>528921516
Well yes, I expected some sort of fun content in a game.
>it's supposed to be boring empty piece of shit
great design choice

>>528920716
click the images tab then you moron

>>528920627
Thanks, anon

>>528922042
im sure it will be back

>>528922080
Maybe you aimed too far? It doesn't work for me if the aiming angle is too high, just shoot at stuff right near your feet.

>>528922042
>atreides stuff
You had to buy streamer subs to get them.
I wish they would've just sold them directly as I'd much sooner give my money to Funcom than to some e-celeb.

>>528922042
yeah you didn't miss anything, it looks like ass and you had to gift at least 2 subs or buy some other bullshit, this whole practice of twitch/stream drops is the worst fucking shit ever, something only a kike wannabe pajeet could think of, it doesn't make any sort of sense no matter how you look at it.

>>528922140
It actually is for pvp since it allows a lot of players to not be on top of each other. It's just too empty.

>>528922416
>It actually is for pvp
Anon... the patch notes... actually like 60% of the map is PvE now, and it's STILL empty

>>528922140
Well it was first intended as a full pvp wide open desert with few POI to give room for the worm to fuck shit up. But you fucks are never happy about anything and play 100 hours of a game and call it shit at the end. Let me guess you finally went to DD because they added a pve section for your kirito ass in a mmo like game

>>528922409
>>528922370
wtf it wasn't enough to just watch but i got to BRIBE cunts for the outfit now??

>>528922570
There's some discord thing where you let discord monitor your gameplay for 15 minutes to get a mural too.

>>528922042
keep in mind its a social outfit only, so you would barely use it unless you are ERP in a social space or are in some exceptionally gay Atr guild.

>>528923863
oh i feel better
fuck that lmao

>>528922548
Nothing personal. But I'm a solo player. Been like this since i was in the beta.

>>528923863
this still doesn't make any sense to me, why even add social category outfits if there's no social equipment slots, do you think they were expecting people to carry the outfits in their inventory and switch between them all the time? also theres only around 4 or 5 of these social outfits as far as im aware.

>mining aluminium on a bike would take too long
>make a base and build a t3 buggy near aluminium
>uses most of my steel and cobalt powder
>take out for a spin
>can't mine aluminium til tier 4 hehe xd
aids

come home white man....

Speaking of d*scord, does this general already have one? I had nowhere to blogpost to while the previous thread died

>>528924703
tried to wrangle my friends to play conan for like 3 years to no avail.
they somehow wanted to play this out of the blue. I'll take what i can get i guess.

>>528924817
just remake the thread when it dies

>>528924407
Nothing personal either. At least with the way they made DD they can change things around weekly. Next week PvE DD is only 1/4 the map

>>528924610
get melanged idiot! hehe lol!

same game where you need 1 ingot of duraluminum to make Iode pills LMAOO

>>528924610
Its almost like... Aluminum is tier 4...

>>528924817
sorry, no gays allowed

>>528925883
it doesn't make sense though that you need 60 aluminium bars to make a thing that mines aluminium

>>528926948
It does because you're suppose to get the personal cutteray mk4 before the buggy cutteray mk4. Hellllllloooooo

I've been using exclusively mobility skills so far. What are some good active skills and techniques for combat? I use ranged to deal with ranged and switch to melee to deal with the shielded melee enemies.

>>528927226
Then why does the handheld mk3 cutteray work on aluminium?
It doesn't make any sense

>>528927463
weirding step and knee charge

Why is blood refinery so ridiculously inefficient compared to deathstills and doesn't even above T3 variations?

>>528922042
the atreides shit costs 2 twitch subs which is basically $10, you are not missing out on anything

>>528927630
Everything is inefficient compared to deathstills. They make water management a non-issue. At least the advanced versions cost a lot to make and require a lot of energy to somewhat balance it out. Still, I kinda expect them to nerf them.

>>528922080
If someone takes all the spice while you're not looking, the game never registers it graphically for you so you come over to the spice pile and it looks like it's all still there, but its not, it actually was taken by another player already

this also happens with the crashed ships, you can go up to them and try to scan and weld but it won't work, that's because someone else already grabbed everything and it just doesn't update and show that on your client

>>528927539
That's not an argument in your favor, you do realise this right ? The infantry MK cutter is always able to mine the next tier in low amount. Thats how you progress and how it make sens. Just go with your buggy to mine manually and put them in the bed for a mass amount one time.

No wonder everything is getting dumb down to the lowest dominator these days

>>528924550
Half-baked retarded ideas dreamed up by an idiot who wants checkmarks ticked but is too stupid/incompetent to see things actually done effectively or properly.

Brown eyed fat retard creative lead is definitely going to be a problem for this game.

>>528927630
>>528927803
In terms of water generated per power used, blood refineries are the most efficient thoughever

took like 20 trips but i got all my stuff saved in bank
i'll be back when game improves gg

>>528927803
Water management is a non-issue even before deathstills come into the picture.

For a survival game there is very little actual survival going on here

>>528928762
Power isn't really a big deal.

>>528928897
Doesn't change the fact that you saying they're inefficient is wrong

>>528928813
gg

>>528928813
Sir this isn't an airport

>>528928152
why would a heavier, vehicle mounted version of the same device be worse? what is the point of investing so much steel into a buggy and cutteray if it can only mine more iron and carbon?
Just because you already know it and accept it, doesn't mean it makes any logical sense

>>528929671
God you're such a retard. Go complain to your gov to give you more low IQ gibs

>>528929671
what you're saying is fair but ig for gameplay reasons they didn't want someone to effortlessly use buggy forever to get everything

the inconvenience of the player held thing and way smaller yield is just a roadbump and its there for whatever reason

>>528901589
wouldn't you have to ship your entire base+DD haul once you pick a spot a single inventory at a time? like this guy >>528928813

You can't put a scout thopter scan module on an assault thopter, right?

>>528932220

Nope

>>528932220
he lied to u

>>528930089
you didn't even use it you faggot
>>528930705
I would understand for the later materials but It just feels like the mk3 is totally pointless, the only thing I need a lot of steel for is the buggy and the refiner to make aluminium, and you can get more than enough iron/carbon/cobalt in a bike with much less hassle

>>528925834
>Iode pills
>2% radiation resist for ten minutes
what the fuck is the point

>>528934730
When you have 95% protection from a rad suit, adding +2% on top of that basically doubles how long you can stand in the radiation from 10 minutes to 20 minutes

the magic of resistances that go over ~90-95%

It approaches infinity time the closer to 100% you get

>>528934730
they are genuinely good but only with a suit

>>528934168
>>528929671
"do it the hard way before we let you do it the easy way" is a rather standard survivalslop practice so it tends to get a pass
besides, i had a lot of fun scaling the big pillars to get the aluminum at the top of them before i could just buggy around to snorf rocks the simpler way

anyone know what causes these fucking rocks to keep spawning on my carpet? it's pissing me off

>>528935303
Glitch with the thing that makes sand fall from your ceiling, it's a known issue.

>>528924703
is it actually worth it? ive been enjoying Dune alone so far

>>528935303
add a roof under your roof to catch it

Can you attach two storage modules to an assault orni? I don't expect so, but you never know...

>Atreides get the rapier
>Harkonnen get a fucking dirk
I wanna be a SWORD MAN AAAA

>>528937175
??

I'm in solitary is there still room in the 4chan guild

>>528935792
Don't buy that overpriced bundle. The base game is only ten bucks which is a steal. If you end up loving it you can always pony up for some of the DLC which is mostly just cosmetic stuff like new skins for gear and different building tilesets. Combat feels pretty similar to melee in dune, but with more variety and a bit more jank. Mods exist and are a huge boon for the game. Single player and offline play is a thing unlike dune, including admin tools and server tweaks to change most things you could want to. Then you have mods to change everything else you could possibly think of.

>>528935792
It's the best survival crafter after dune

>>528934168
>why can't I skip the intended progression part of the gameplay loop
Thats not a fair argument. Faggots will rush the ornithopter in 3 neet days and complain theres nothing to do after. Im tired of modern gaymers giving shit to devs when most of the time its the fault of their non socialized rush-to-get everything playerbase killing the game under a week while scorching every informations they can to optimize their lost of time on a hobby

>>528935792
Glad you asked! Not that anon by the way!
Conan has a rather excellent world and the game has environmental storytelling that you have to piece together for the most part. The actual game loop is roughly the same but combat is somewhat more basic and easy. It really is like the proto dune but it really is a very immersive world.

why this game has a whole questline of an asian dommy mommy calling me kitten

>>528937435
>>528937752
>>528937658
any chance Dune goes and gets as much attention as Conan over the next few years?

did this update break pentashields? no longer seeing the energy field

>>528938076
Conan was never intended to be a live service game, it became one over the years. Dune however, is designed to be live service from the start. So yes, it will get updates and improvements. They've stated that they have 10 years worth of ideas and plans for the Dune. How much of that will become a reality is anyones guess.

>>528938349
More than we think considering their response to pve players was to turn all the empty parts of the DD to pve, nerf the resources in them, and go silent.

>>528939660
>go silent
What? Nigger they made a clear community post and release what they said they would under a week and now on the same day you say they go silent? Another entitled faggot hurray

>>528938349
I'm predicting dead within the year because the launch situation is so bad

It's especially bad because it doesn't look bad - basically a smashing hit in terms of player numbers - not until you actually look at what players are going to be doing in 2 weeks (nothing) does the problem become apparent. Peak steam population was weeks ago at 175k, 1 week ago on thursday it was 155k, this thursday its 125k. What I'm seeing and feeling is a game with no longevity to it because there's nothing to fucking DO.

3 more weeks and that'll be 90k. In 3 months it'll be under 50k

And this is going to happen because they didn't actually develop a game, they just threw a bunch of shit together using a game engine someone else made for them and thought "surely something magical will come out of this" with zero forethought into how anything would actually play or interact or work. Apparently nobody on this dev team asked the question, "ok but what will the players actually do once they finish grinding to tier 6?"

Obviously what these retard devs are going to do is what any good retard dev would:
Add a Tier 7, and then a Tier 8, a couple new things like a tank in another tier, maybe an exclusive skill tree, another building tileset, even a new dungeon of some sort.

They will in fact do absolutely everything EXCEPT add a core gameplay loop that's fun to play.

Apparently this is normal for this dev team. They're so bad at their job that their last game is run and developed by modders now? Bleak outlook for this game.

>>528940490
>add a core gameplay loop that's fun to play.
What is a core gameplay loop in your opinion?

>>528940490
bleeding players is normal, though. games like these dont need hundreds of thousands of concurrent players to sustain themselves; they'll have their dedicated playersbase of like 15-30k or something, it'll spike during updates to huge numbers then fall back down. this is extremely regular for live service games. Destiny 2 has been chugging along on 20k players for years and it started with a 350k peak on steam (this is back when it was on steam AND other launchers so this is not even wholly accurate)

>>528938076
>Conan isn't live service, just expansions with modding
>Dune is live service, but it doesn't have to be and could have been simple multipler with private servers
They got their money to keep working but they seem to do work at their own leisure and are generally behind the times or inexperienced in terms of design philosophy, mechanics and I don't think can compete with the open modding community that kept their other project alive.

There's like.. a lack of agency or something, no worries just come to work and hammer out the grind. I suspect China's going to cut their dev team down next fiscal quarter and they'll be a skinner box selling cosmetic changes to the game like The Finals, Overwatch, Fortnite etc.

>>528940490
the funniest part is that all of this would be solved by just taking their pride off the shelf and allowing community mods and less (none at all would be best) reliance on official servers

they're completely fucking tonedeaf retards riding the fame of an established IP, willfully choosing to ignore the fact that mods and privatized administration (chinese are ban-on-sight on nearly every conan server to this day) are the only thing that kept their previous survivalslop title in any form of longevity

it's a damn shame, all of it

the absolute last people you want to be doing game development are game developers.

>>528939660
If the PvE community sticks around to keep the game interesting it will be interesting to see what content is added. I would REALLY like some immersive type addictions like, animating the character to things in the game like sit down, enter the buggy or take out crafted objects. Even simple things like having an 'inventory/menu' idle animation to tell someone's busy.

>2 weeks and it’s already going the way of New World
Zergniggers and PvEfaggots kill every single game they touch.

>>528922672
Discord can monitor my scrote

>>528943492
Its crazy isn't? I'm telling you gamers are the most entitle pos ever AFTER they blindly paid for something

>>528941996
>Avoid chinamen in private realm, paying for the privelege of having only civil poeple in the server
>Forced to run into chinamen in the endgame on another realm for the last tier
Lol fuck why even rent a server.

Imagine if Funcom weren't a bunch of retarded faggots and we got faction v faction in DD instead of ffa faggotry and 'i go in bunker and loot and leave'
Mega ball drop with 6 years worth of dev time and god knows how many millions down the drain
Bravo Joel and Funcom, you GOONS

>>528943885
does the DD really force private servers to merge with public ones like that?

White people shouldn’t be allowed to make games because they do dumb shit like this

>>528943492
I thought New World was that amazon game that chinese players wrecked at launch by duping the gold, ruining the whole economy and DDoSing shit?

>like the sound of pvp, shields are gay but whatever
>regularly on kovaak, planetside 2 kdr 8/1
>lets go to where the pvp happens :DD
>fly out into the middle of this desert you can't even stand in
>get molested by a faggot polycule in helicopters spamming 1 button, no counterplay
>go on 4chan later
>people are pretending "pvp" was in the game at all
liars
do NOT pretend there was any "player verses player". FAGGOTS. fuck off

>>528944230
Not with public servers, its with the other private sietches on that specific world. I have access to a private sietch, its specific player limit is only 6. But altogether with other private sietches on this server, there are over 5k possible players at a time. Typically there are well under 100 players actually online at once for this whole server. The DD is pretty fucking dead when you take into account how few players are actually in the end game and exploring it regularly.

>>528940834
Stuff that's actually replayable and challenging.

Lets take a basic 15-120 minute survival gameplay loop - watch for storms, worms, heat, durability and water.
How much of just the very basic elements of survival even have any player agency in this? Watch for worm signs? No you just stay off the sand for ten seconds once the worm bar jiggles, then go back to what you were doing immediately after. There's no tracking worms, there's no paying attention to what worms do or where they go. There's little point to manipulating worms with thumpers - you can't clear a path so you can drive unmolested for 20 minutes on sand. You can't realistically plan a route to avoid worms, they always appear once your worm bar jiggles enough.

Heat could also be meaningful if travel on foot during the day was something anyone did and if water was actually scarce, which it isn't. Staying in shade is a good mechanic, but there's nothing else to it. You don't and will never have to make a trek across terrain on foot besides maybe the first 3 hours of starting.

So the game has these essential elements that COULD create a gameplay loop - survival management with plotting your trek across the desert watching for these desert hazards, but the hazards have been so trivialized both in their shallow mechanics, and in the small distances and the availability of vehicles, that there's nothing genuinely engaging/challenging/dynamic here. A 100km trek on foot with a literjon, stilltent, and stillsuit? That could be interesting. A 5km trek on foot with a bene gesserit dash that covers 500m every 20 seconds? You no longer have any need for planning or preparation. You get where you want instantly and even if a worm or a storm shows up, dealing with it just isn't involved at all.

I want to get into this more - I think some kind of PVP arenas/duels is their best chance at longevity with what they have, but I've got to run now.

Atreides or Harkonnen

They need to let me turn other players into pleasure thralls

>>528944968
Harkonnen if ur bald and possibly gay

>>528944874
Those are not gameplay loops those are mechanics that interfere with the actual loop which is gathering ressources. The problem is that once you base is up and fully operating and you made your mats then its just maintaining fuel till the next tier drop.

If you ask what is the biggest problem of this game is I would say its the vehicules + pocket them

>>528944874
what your saying is not wrong, but the IP gets in the way. For instance, no one in Dune actually goes through anything you describe for any length of time other than the Fremen. So you would have to build your story around just canon Freman tech, and that is very limiting. The character would have to be a complete isolationist fugitive from the forces of civiliazation at all times for that kind of gameplay to be meaningful all the time. When you have an IP like Dune, you want people to interact with as much of the IP as possible in order to attract customers.

>>528945496
>>528944874
Yeah... all of that is fine to add to the details but the gameplay loop itself would be something like having bounties out in the DD you go and do to get solari. Then you spend it on something. Right now you hit the last tier and the game crashes out.

Dune awakening made me feel like I was back in 2008 playing a leaked unfinished version of wrath of the lich king again
not a good look Joel

>>528946407
Everything is objectively terrible but it feels soulful.

what if you returned to your ornithopter and a harkonnen agent was furiously humping your fuel tank?

>>528947091
it does have soul and that is why it makes me seethe

DD should have a huge no fly zone. In fact the game would be better with no ornithopter. At least till an expansion or two. Everytime you upgrade something it feels good and actually useful but it trivialize the game so quick that you realise it after the fact. They really need to make everything PvE way harder and harsh outside hagga south

>you can grab items with spacebar
Only took me 70 hours to find out

>>528945496
vehicles aren't necessarily a problem (though I agree pocketing is - an anon suggested tents to tie them down for storms instead which I think is a much better idea)

but if you have vehicles you can't have objectives and points of interests spaced 100 meters apart. A 24km x 24km map is more like what you want with vehicles involved and I think that would still be on the small side of things. One way to think of it isn't in distances but in travel time. 5 minutes on foot is the same distance to the player as 5 minutes in a buggy. If you're going to have players travel by buggy everywhere, you can't have POI's placed like they're traveling by foot everywhere.

>>528949029
The DD is that big.

Do people even bother to bring a buggy in DD? Sounds like a recipe to have it destroy by rocket copters in minutes

>no collision damage
>you can just instantly store vehicles in your pocket
What the actual fuck were these retards thinking

this might be retarded but i want my buggy to be an artillery piece
>"ur a retard artillery has never been done well in games and it would be extra retarded in this setting"
yes i know but i WANT it

>>528952013
I haven't done this but now you can lock down nodes in the DD with a base, building a buggy inside the walls would dramatically increase your yields. Otherwise no there is no point because sand will get you eaten by worms.

Once it resets im going to try taking an assault + buggy + base pieces and see if it works out.

nah, what buggies really need to be is the equivalent of a locked down burster max. clear the goddamn skies

>>528952657
There is a gaping hole in anti air right now in the sense there is none.

>>528952657
>>528952467
Buggys also need to be liftable by an Assault thopter. Its a cool team mechanic locked behind 5000 hours of grinding because of the carrier.

>>528952452
PvP seal clubbing end game.

Never should have been another Conan clone, this should have been a proper survival game where players could choose between being nomads or base bound with advantages/disadvantages to both. And less gear progression and more exploration and survival.

>>528944968
Dune is unlike other fiction in that its factions are very ambiguously moral at best. Atreides convince themselves they're honorable knight-like nobles but at the end of the day they have to choose between death or dishonor, and they often choose the latter. Understandable but still hypocrites. Harkonnen are much less ambiguous, pretty much openly cruel and savage, but it's not exactly a big secret.

Keep in mind that siding with the Atreides puts you front and center in front of that hypocrisy. You're an intel operative and an assassin. You get your hands dirty so the stuffy nobles don't have to. Realistically I'd recommend checking your Landsraad to see which faction dominates it and pick the one that wins consistently, else you're kinda fucking yourself. Most servers lean very hard toward one or the other, usually Atreides.

You can make some hot bitches in this game

Paying 90 dollars to be stranded in a desert

Paying 90 dollars to be raped by 3 psychopaths while stranded in the desert
Joel's vision

>>528944968
Harkonnen were dominating my landsraad for the first 3 weeks. now they've fallen off completely as the hordes of redditor atreides reach endgame

>I entered a thread about something I don't like, how could this be happening to me?

Joel thought the deep desert would be like eve online with such game mechanics like uploading your car into your phone so nobody steals it

>>528955241
>Atreides convince themselves they're honorable knight-like nobles but at the end of the day they have to choose between death or dishonor, and they often choose the latter. Understandable but still hypocrites.

I have no idea how you managed to get this so incorrect. Atreides is paragon of the perfect monarchy. Paul is raised to be the perfect successor. The Duke's inner circle is 1000% meritocratic. The entire reason the Emperor decides to end him is because he realizes that the fanatic loyalty of Leto's regime that is based on justice is ever so slightly better than his Sardukar because they are loyal to each other more than they are loyal to the throne and because it scales better i.e. Atreides could swallow a majority of the Lansraad given enough time.

If the Bene Geserit allowed him a son and Jessica had a daughter he would have married his son to Paula.

>>528956856
>eve's biggest reason why they get fuckhuge battles is because you can permanently claim regions of nullsec provided you don't get kicked out by a bigger clan.
>hey i know lets fragment the population into a million different subservers and then do a hard reset of the end game territory every week.
Womp Womp.

>>528952467
You mean something like this?

>>528957702
HELL YEA

>>528952467
There is a fully functional tank with weapons in the game files, dev said they haven't figured out how to add it. No shit, you made the DD 100% air based.

>>528957292
I know the author tried to hammer in that paul is the bad guy later but he's up against pedophile murder enthusiasts. There isn't any moral ambiguity. The movies make paul way more evil though.

>>528959405
>No shit, you made the DD 100% air based.
air-based design with 300 meter render distance of other players, and giant lanes of perfectly-straight lazy quicksand dividing every sector even if you are coordinated enough to have people routing worms away with thumpers to get your land army through sector to sector

there's so many retarded 'videogamey' aspects of this that make it feel like a teenager's mod effort and it all cumulatively slaps the immersion right out of the game - everyone is spot-on when they say it plays like an early alpha, half the game is basically either a placeholder or a lazy copypaste import

>>528957292
They're not moral paragons, that's the point the other anon was trying to make. They have an exceptional image and they do actually do good (or try to) but they're undoubtedly willing to get their hands dirty. Not to say that makes them shitheels or whatever. Anyone would rather live on Caladan than Giedi Prime

We warned them about the lack of endgame 6 months ago and they've done nothing in those 6 months aside from this knee jerk reactions that's went back on their entire ethos for the deep desert.
Don't expect this game to go anywhere, even conan after 7 years has untapped potential.
Don't waste your time or money with Funcom.

>>528959735
Which is so sad because the ground melee PvP looks amazing in 1v1 situations. But there is literally no method I can engage in it without risking losing 100% of my gear, and because of the way tiers work if you want to PvP you have to use T6, or else you're half as effective as the other guy.

The whole thing just screams gamification and its shitty.

>>528956423
i like the Harkonnen gear. The traitor stuff is pretty good, though.

>>528959405
i shall increase my optimism

my character is fuck ugly bros why cant i customize him again

>>528959439
>There isn't any moral ambiguity
there is regarding conventional notions of it. The ultimate good guy of the entire series (Leto II) is considered a horrible tyrant, but the purpse of his millenia long despotic rule was the betterment of mankind, to prevent stagnation which would have led to the end of the entire race, which he foresaw. Paul is less a bad guy for what he did that for what he did not, but he did not because he was not destined to take the role that his son did. The BG are in the same vein, all their manipulations of the millenia are designed for the advacement of mankind.

>>528960464
Its confirmed to be coming

>>528960774
WHEN

>>528957292
>Paul is raised to be the perfect successor.
Paul "62 Billion" Atreides. Honor wasn't exactly high on his priority list, and frankly I don't blame him for it. That's the point though: The Atreides do what they need to do to survive just like anybody else, and if that involves a knife in the back or a mound of dead innocents they'll probably do it.

>>528961108
After they fix the DD.

>>528961108
They didn't say when just yes

>>528956856
You wouldn't download a car

>>528961180
>>528957292
The point of the book is that charismatic, handsome, caring leaders can be just as evil as any other, and all forms of central power enslave people. You could have a perfect, death-less democratic society in Dune and the point would still be the same that the people within it are still slaves to whatever system is forced upon them. He isn't an anarchist of an author, but not one system in Dune gives people freedom to live their lives in peace without being a part of someone else's plan and because of all these plans within plans billions die pointlessly. The Freman are a perfect example of this, they are the only people who are actually free, living in harmony with their planet and just want to be left alone. They get turned into another slave force within a new power structure, one that is just as evil as all the others by the way no matter how badly Paul was written he is still supposed to be pure evil.

Just like real life with US foreign policy, Islam religious bullshit, China's state control, Israel subterfuge, ect. Humans can't help themselves but enforce these idiotic imbalanced systems and cause conflicts with each other instead of just leaving each other the fuck alone. We should just focus on houses over heads, food and water, and science, its literally that simple.

What's stopping them from making a few of the sectors solid ground/ no worms so we can have ground vehicles as part of dd pvp

>>528962130
>What's stopping them from making a few of the sectors solid ground/ no worms so we can have ground vehicles as part of dd pvp
Intelligence, logic, sensible game design, ego-less attitudes, ect.

>>528962130
>What's stopping them from
Joel Bylos

>>528961905
look I just hate it when people who look different than me have nicer stuff

>>528962612
>look I just hate it when people who look different than me have nicer stuff
Kek

>>528962130
>>528962215
>>528962553
Riddle me this: When we go to the ice caps how many worms do you think there will be?

"Would you still love me if I was a worm?" - Leto II Atreides, the God Emperor, addressing his people

>>528962889
More than you hope.

>>528962889
the alaskan bull worm

Well I finally snapped. I dont know why this game did it to me.

But it did.

After getting to level 124 and having trouble getting into a guild I said Im done. Earlier this week I downloaded (and paid for) the hacks all the retard chinese are using. I created a new steam profile and bought the game again.

For the last week Ive been sneaking into the guild HQ that wouldnt let me join at about 3am or so. Every time I disable the Permissions for their stashes and ornis and then take just a few items. Ive gotten a few t6 cutterays, a lasgun, and earlier I flew their carrier sideways and left it there (So it looks like a server glitch) and removed its engine.

Rather than keep these items Ive been selling them for cheap on the exchange and then transferring the solari to my main. Im slowly ramping up what I steal and planning than in about 2 weeks Im just going to delete the square under their fief, which I believe causes the entire building to be destroyed. But In the mean time Im letting them mine the spice and melange for me.

I dont know why this game finally made me snap. But I just couldnt take constantly being turned down by guilds since Im nearly a no-lifer.

>>528940490
>Add a Tier 7, and then a Tier 8, a couple new things like a tank in another tier, maybe an exclusive skill tree, another building tileset, even a new dungeon of some sort.
Holy shit, I can see it. It will take 3 months, and then we get another tier that is even grindier but changes nothing other than adding power creep, making 90% of the game's content a pushover, without adding anything of value as it is essentially is 'do the same thing but higher noomber'.
Meanwhile, the Deep Desert changes have exposed even more weaknesses and both PvE and PvP faggots are unhappy.

>>528963634
based vindictive psycho

>>528940490
Coop dungeons with randoms (up to 5 players) would give me 1000 hours of play time but I just know we wont get it because the devs think everyone wants to join discord and guilds

>>528963634
I'm sorry but the no gays allowed rule stands no exceptions

>>528963634
This Anon is having the true Duneman Smuggler experience.

How many bases can you build and can you teleport chest items between bases

>>528964897
3 and no

>>528962889
Worms will be made of fire. The fire worms.

you can also get a shitton of plasteel plates from scanning treasure in the dunes. they seem kinda pointless though only used for upgrading components atm

How the fuck do I build a giant semicircle out of triangles and squares

>>528952518
>lock down nods
At least it will be wiped weekly

>>528965295
>scanning treasure in the dunes
I know this feature exists but I have never bothered is it worth it?

>>528965493
Cut this in half.

>>528920995
Funcom strikes again

>>528964056
He didn't read the roadmap, they literally said raids and bosses are coming

>>528966815
>is it worth it?
I think it uses the ship wreck loot table where you can get spice, schematics, and a bunch of t6 mats at a low quantity.
you find like 10 treasure nodes in a chain though so it adds up fast. worth doing near the pvp border, now that there's 0 risk I would do it more often

>>528964056
>the devs think everyone wants to join discord and guilds
That's hardly unique to these devs

>>528967758
How do you actually do it? Just land on the sand and scan in every direction? Damn do I actually need to spend points in the scanning passive now.

>>528967716
And did they say they were adding quick matches for them? Of course not, join a guild! Spam text chat asking for help!

>>528968265
just glide and scan with your thopter. it'll find a little diamond icon and you land there and use your compactor to dig up loot. usually find the treasure chains start near a rock island.
and then they get reset after a sandstorm afaik

>>528968346
it's not even out yet and you faggots already somehow have opinions, just quit now

>>528968516
>just glide and scan with your thopter.
Duh, im an idiot. Thanks anon.

>>528968553
>He doesn't know the history of Funcom
Sorry some of us actually have intelligence, I'm sure that's a frighting concept to you.

>>528968643
>intelligence
>frighting
Okay Funcom historian

What are the best uniques to try and find in duraluminum tier?

>>528970427
Fivefinger is often said to be the best gun in the game. It only comes from the cosmic chest at the ship wreck at the very bottom left of the map. The rest of the uniques are just T5 but with T6 damage.

>>528970945
Oh yeah, I farmed the shit out of that wreck when I had an outpost there for Jasmium.

Looking at drop tables it looks like the t5 unique light armour pieces only drop from the northern Sheol cosmic, is that right?

i was pissed for a second thinking some guy had built over the worm free flour sand, but nope they just built a nice cover with free water and shit lol

>>528968553
i finally got my buggy, bros

>>528973909
Based
Some faggot on my server built a shitbox around one of the larger flower fields on day 3 and it's still up. Joke's on him, I found a gap to get in, but it's still fucking hideous, and just absolutely degenerate.

>>528974450
nice

so is pvp better or worse now

>>528956423
i mean you "dominate" for a week then people stop logging on, cleaning up decayed bases every week is fun at least. waiting for the day my neighbor blocking a 3-way path into anvil quits.

>>528975768
Its the same. No ground PvP, no fun.

>>528974529
damn this thing is crazy

>>528976238
How do you go about doing that? Just fly around and check every base? How do you check if a base is abandoned?

>>528976538
And that's just the base version and I assume no planetologist perks. I get 700 on Mk5 with both passives.

>>528976538
gonna be SWIMMING in aluminum

>>528976752
If they've been unpowered for a long time, sandstorms fuck up the base. If they haven't been powered off very long they might look normal except for the obvious lack of pentashields.

>>528976752
you can claim it, usually they just power down and get blown away

>>528976762
there's two? i at least see the vehicle mining one in the right tree, what's the other one i should look to get?

so is the dew scythe just better than the dew reaper?

>>528978247
the cutteray on the left tree and vehicle mining on the right tree stack

>>528979041
both are for putting in the recycler the second you have a deathstill

Sandstorm djinns ARE NOT real, take your meds!

>>528935303
I've seen that in different places multiple times, it disappears after a while.

>>528976486
unless the devs themselves are rolling up in zerg groups raping people with rockets and having the time of their lives i dont see a reason to insist so hard on having air pvp be the entire point of the endgame

>>528979041
Dew reaper has less mass and uses less power, it's more for just personal water collection. There's a unique "collapsable dew scythe" that has less mass.

>>528979385
You can't carry a deathstill with you.

>>528979968
That is literally what they're doing

i dont actually mind this box ass base. it's built on stilts above a flower field and i think it's nicely situated between the terrain. but i have no actual taste and i cant build anything nice, so.

are these big walls supposed to be end caps or longways like this

>>528981098
end caps? longways?? you can stack those or put a normal wall on top. can also go to Riftwatch and take some screenshots to copy how harko building pieces can fit together

>>528980049
cool, thanks; ill have to keep an eye out for that schematic. ill stick with a regular dew reaper for now.

>>528979751
0_0

>>528976953
>>528976972
Yes but how can you tell? Do I have to place a fief to dismantle or collect resources?

>>528982195
i see they make pyramids, maybe i'll just make a magnificent big black cube.

BIG
BLACK
CUBES

i just got a new buggy, how do i protect it from sandstorms when im out and about since i cant pokeball it?

why's it so powerful? literally better than everything up until Aluminum

>>528985585
pull out your assault ornithopter to shield your buggy

>>528985836
We should have sandbike races in the DD, last one alive wins

>>528985585
if I couldn't find anywhere better I'd clear out a little npc camp and drive the buggy in to get it sheltered. you can get sheltered pretty easily everywhere there's aluminum I found.

>>528985836
It says right there anon, it's Slide Rule's legacy engine.
>>528985585
Try to find some rock cover or overhang. Worse case scenario dump its storage and dissassemble the buggy and hide yourself until its over, then assemble it again and be sure to have a battery for fuel.

how are pvpiggers handling being outrun by mk4 scouts?

>>528980049
I don't need to. A decaliterjon is good for basically an in-game week even if I'm standing in the sun constantly.

>>528986706
Assaults with no rockets also outrun scouts with rockets

how do you visit other seiches? I get the feeling rats are going seiche to seiche taking the timed pvp loot in hagga. they've been camped on the hour all day which is very unusual for my seiche

what's the PVP timer on deep desert?

>>528989319
servers button when you start the game

>>528987587
do you wear armor or a stillsuit

>>528961180
>>528961905
I was just talking about the first book. I think the "do'h ho dune is about how messiah bad" is a load of shit. Messiah/Children may have turned it into that but Dune as a standalone work does not lay the foundation for that at all. If you really think about it the super jihad had no logical reason for happening. Paul successfully fused Mau'dib with Atreides and legitimately deposed the Emperor. Broadcasting that Shaddam was in league with the Harkonnen would not have been a hard sell to the lansraad, especially considering how out of nowhere Atreides were appointed stewards of Arrakis and then the Emperor just let the Harkonen take it back. Pinning it on Kanly would have been pretty thin.

Anyways I'm getting side tracked. I thought the theme of the first book was mostly about how knowledge of the future strips you of free will. The reason why i think the anti-messiah shit doesn't hold up is because what was the alternative? Allow the Harkonnen to remain in power and fuck off back to Caladan to die in obscurity? Who benefits from that?

>>528990119
NTA but i have found not a single reason to care about armor given that shields block all damage. I'll probably get absolutely dunked on in a shipwreck by a player one day but PVE is so easy. Auto shield flicker when shooting shouldn't be a thing btw. I know it would get macro'd back in if they removed it but you could fix that with adding a CD when shield is turned off.

>>528990252
>what was the alternative? Allow the Harkonnen to remain in power and fuck off back to Caladan to die in obscurity?
Basically yeah. That's the thing about honor: You have to both live and die by it or else it was basically just a garment you wore when it was convenient. The honor of the Atreides is more than a facade but less than a truth, and that is why they must either live as a hypocrite or die as a fool.

i finally have my deathstill. time to sleep. tomorrow, i move my base to a more central location, bros.

>>528991036
>live as a hypocrite
This just doesn't track. I don't see how seeking justice is hypocrisy in any way shape or form.

And you didn't answer the last question. Who benefits? Certainly not the fremen.

>>528991263
>Who benefits?
Pressed for an answer, I suppose the unnamed people of the Imperium and its Houses going on about their lives as normal, particularly some large percentage of the billions that perished in the jihad. I'm not particularly dedicated to the idea of PAUL BAD, for the record, nor do I have some bizarre delusion that the Harkonnen are anything but liars and murderers. I am simply making the point that Dune as a universe does not paint hypocrisy with a rose colored tint like some other pieces of fiction. I have gone on many a rant about how much I fucking hate the Jedi because they're nothing but the most deeply self-unaware hypocrites in science fiction. At least the Atreides have the sense to feel a little guilty when they compromise their own principles.

This game is so relaxing. Very cozy.

If I want to visit another server do I have to start over completely from scratch??

is the house karpov 38 the only good aluminum gun, the drillshot sucks donkey dick

Incline and wall wedge pieces fucking when.

>>528993510
If you can get it, Pipecleaner is amazing.

>>528924703
strongly considering it honestly after having hit the endgame brick wall in dune. not having to log in like a job and no FOMO sounds ideal. how is the actual game formatted? is it just like dune? big map with quasi-dungeons peppered all over the place?

>>528993529
give me inner-inner and outer-outer wall pieces first

>>528993872
This, shit pissed me off in Conan too

do you not get loot from killing The Paranoid? or did I fuck up by having her die to poison

>>528995576
she was supposed to drop a unique holtzman shield with the same stats as a basic mk5.

>>528995576
>>528996139
I did that quest today, reward popped up upon completion and this was in my bag, i assume if your bag is full it's in your journal to claim still or you threw it into the recycler

>>528960264
>losing 100% of my gear
they actually voted for that on your server? even if so, it's only a week.

devs are so fucking retarded it’s not even funny. really cool game but it’s dying by september at the latest

and the lhisan al-gaib said "yup, i'm calling it, i'm bored, the game is dead now, i am quitting, i quit, calling it now yikes games gonna be bad and i'm the smart guy, not sunk costing cutting my losses yep someone validate me"

>>529000652
game was basically guaranteed to be a forgettable title the moment they were firm about never allowing mods for it
you know, the one thing that kept their last game alive and selling to this very day

i cannot imagine ever doing the dune story-tutorial loop a second or even third time, whereas conan always felt somewhat fresh and replayable since you could always handcraft your experience either by privately-owned local host settings or by modding what you want to see into it
meanwhile dune is forever trapped the exact way its beady-eyed dumbfuck obese retard director deems fit and you just have to suffer the failed potential

>>529000652
Reddit-tier post

>>528996932
Can't recycle quest reward uniques.

are there any metals/ores that are Not found in the DD? example, things like iron and carbon? i mostly just see copper, granite, basalt and aluminum
i assume things like advanced servoks and the like need to be imported as well

>went to bed with 14 days of power on the base energy network
>wake up with the power inexplicably fully shut off and nothing at all in the generators
????
why. how

Shai Hulud just nearly killed me mid air for no reason at all, popped straight up. This is 5 seconds after narrowly surviving. I'm assuming that was his warning sign before heading to the crashed ship and I just happened to be in the wrong place?

>>529005530
people tell you to glide at 700m for a reason, anon
>heading to the crashed ship and I just happened to be in the wrong place?
either that or aura farming at someone two miles away that you can't even see in your own render distance usually

>>529005080
Does anyone else have access to your base?

>>529006826
what could cause the cells in the generator to evaporate like that if i do? they're all nested under tiles or rooftops where they can't be actively fucked with, something outright sucked the juice out of the entire network overnight

ordinarily this wouldn't be more than a brow-raiser but this is a game where shit like that can just obliterate your progress if it happens at the wrong time

>>529007241
I'm saying someone may have taken the fuel cells out of them, anon.

Does anyone actually enjoy the PvP in this game?
I find it insufferable, but I also am usually playing alone.
If I want to play a PvP game I'm gonna go play a good PvP game that I like playing like TF2.
I hate how the game really pushes you towards PvP in the late game, just because of how shit it is.

>>528980782
It looks okay, I'm not against boring people building boring bases, but the unique and easy architectural potential of the basebuilding in this game excites my autism.
It's not Minecraft or anything but I like how restrictive it is it makes you get creative, ironically.

>>529010636
not really
most of the vocal 'pvp enjoyers' for this genre are genuinely just zoomers and/or thirdies who grew up on Rust and think that offline base raiding and gearchecking noobs is the pinnacle of player versus player interaction

>>528990252
I read the books completely independently of anyone ever telling me what dune was about as a kid, in fact read them in reverse order starting with Chapterhouse: Dune (confusing!)

I've read them several more times through my life, and I have NEVER got the sense that these books were about anti-heroism or anti-messiah anything, that just strikes me as utter bullshit from out "media literate" crowd of unrepentant morons. Paul didn't unleash a Jihad because "trusting heroes is bad", he was trapped by a combination of his situation and his abilities and by fate itself. His main failing was that he was too nice. Too good. He was about to damn humanity to suffering and then extinction because he couldn't finish and follow through on what the jihad he unleashed started, and he unleashed it more out of revenge on the emperor and the harkonnen than because he had idealistic aims for humanity. It may not have even been the ideal path forward for humanity, but it's the one where Paul won and kept nearly everyone he loved alive - and afterwards, he couldn't bring himself to become the only thing that would save humanity from extinction on that path where he wins - he couldn't become the evil tyrant.

If there's a theme in the overall arch of this, it's probably something like not being able to escape monstrous or evil decisions/outcomes that come hand in hand with power, whether you plan for it or not.

>>529012238
Im sure the books must have some degree of value to them, but to me knowing that the over-arching story essentially boils down to a moralistic lecture both directly and indirectly always put me off them. At the very least Paul's son was a bit more interesting but only barely. Also there's just too much nonsensical and out right ridiculous stuff in there that's taken completely seriously, like the concept of the Fish Speakers, can't even type that without chortling.

>live service
>no endgame
>$100
>only hope is that it is fixed in a fucking year or something
scammed again

If anyone is burned out on Dune and wants a survival game with actual content, I'm putting up a /vm/ Conan server tonight. Its core mod will be Conan Classic: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3477130829

>>528916701 (OP)
>using my shit as the OP
based based based

>>529007241
>>529005080
still trying to figure this one out, contacted others, noone did anything related to the fuel or the generators

we had ~3k fuel cells in storage, all of it was completely gone and the roughly ~36 generators in our base were utterly drained of their 14-day supply
i'm confused now - how do generators actually work? do they eat directly from your storage while active, or only from what you put into them?

damn there really isn't any endgame. and screw stockpiling resources for the shitty landsraad they need to revamp that entire system. I hope that's in the next patch

>>529017210
>utterly drained of their 14-day supply
are your taxes overdue?
only way the gens could be drained is if they ran out of fuel or they were deconstructed/replaced.

>>529011248
I like it survival games because they harken back to the golden age of online gaming where every MUD and early MMO allowed you to kill other players. I like the tension of doing PvE with the looming threat of someone showing up to kill me. It makes the mundane parts of the game less boring. Base raiding is a mixed bag. It's cool in concept and sometimes fun, but I don't think any game has gotten it exactly right yet.

>>529017513
there is an endgame, its just laser focused on guild pvp, which is the problem. They are working to make it more small group/solo friendly and add more variety to it. But a lot of changes to PVP need to happen hand in hand with it as well.

>>529018323
>its just laser focused on guild pvp
i don't even believe that
i believe theoretically it is supposed to be
but i have never seen that, ever

>>529018442
From what I can tell the actual goal of the PVP was "lmao dude fight people in the desert LOL"

and there wasn't any more thought put into it than that

>spend like 45 minutes going back and forth in the DD for like 50 plastanium
Yeah, no, I'll just start buying this shit.

>>529018874
>and there wasn't any more thought put into it than that
thats the idea: the reason the holy grail of the games industry is a live service pvp game is that they 1) bring in consistent revenue and 2) minimize the amount of actual content you have to produce, as the customer produces their own content and pays you to do so.

>>529018442
>but i have never seen that, ever
I see it all the time, but its time/server sensitive. The reality of guilds is that they are formed outside of the game mostly, and have certain times (often late evening in their regions) where they have critical mass online to operate.

>>529017210
Same here, had nearly 2 weeks of power but woke up to shields down. Immediately juiced up barriers again but I should've checked if the stations were empty first.

>>529019828
That's not live service that's emergent sandbox. Genshin is a live service.

>>529019828
>minimize the amount of actual content you have to produce,
i mean making literally 0 is pretty poor form, never seen that "innovation" before in a "live service"

>>529018298
>back to the golden age of online gaming where every MUD and early MMO allowed you to kill other players.
Golden age is over anon. Devs need to spend a ton of resources on wrangling cheaters and scammers.

>>529020914
no, its live service PVP, and all such games are emergent sandboxes by default. Everyone wants their own Counter Strike without it being Counter Strike. Genshin is a live service game as its always online but its dev content generated exclusively. Genshin would die without players continually paying for dev generated content. Dune is less financially ambitious but the core conceit of its dev philosophy is the same as the PVP aspect of any other game, its content the players generate themselves with the tools provided (the "sandbox").

>>529022316
idk
if the game is like rust, then DD weekly reset is still at odds with it

moving things in and out of DD is such a motherfucker chore to do

and rust doesn't reset every week

>>529021780
>i mean making literally 0 is pretty poor form
there is not zero, dont be disengenious, but by their own admission there is not enough there to accomplish their vision currently. Why they thought this was enough on release is more of an indictment of their laziness than anything. Its better to give players a bunch of tools to figure out their own meta than just give them one.

>>529022087
I miss it bros

>>529022682
rust has 1) a more narrowly focused vision of what it is combined with 2) players hosting their own games with their own rule sets. Dune at launch has the skeletons of two different game modes that are not sufficient for either playerbase.

>>529022087
:(

>>529018298
>I like the tension of doing PvE with the looming threat of someone showing up to kill me.
Yeah, when its "the looming threat of someone showing up to kill me" and not 100% guaranteed pack of discord-coordinated PK who use every possible abuse to kill you not even for loot.

>>529022682
>DD weekly reset is still at odds with it
the point of the reset is to make the same piece of content evergreen for the guild focused endgame, so they are not fighting over the same spot all the time, as well as giving a fresh chance at winning the endgame conflict on a regular basis. Its just a method of stretching content viability lifetime, thus reducing dev effort.

>>529023219
>not 100% guaranteed pack of discord-coordinated PK who use every possible abuse to kill you not even for loot.
its pretty much this. Guilds go out of their way to not just defeat opponets, but destroy or torture the defeated. Last night I watched a stream where it was not enough to shoot something down, they spent way too much time and effort to push a downed thopter onto the sand. Or other examples.

>>529023902
>Guilds go out of their way to not just defeat opponets, but destroy or torture the defeated.
That's the problem. You just can't let players have the ability to do that because they'll always abuse it. A lot of people get off on doing as much damage as possible while doing this kind of hand to mouth playstyle where they only really have gear because there are so many of them playing so much.

How bad is solo content in the game? Im at duraluminion tier atm and I already feel a bit of fatigue from the back and forth I have to do between Sheol and Aluminium sources just to build 1 spice refinery, let alone vehicles and garments

>>529026770
You've hit the point where the geme stops letting you farm solo reasonably.

>>529026770
solo is fantastic until the wall you hit at the end of the plot and need plastanium

it is not even worth getting

>>529026824
awesome, how do guilds work then? An I join ones that are not on my server or am I restricted to them?
EU - Cassopeia for reference, but I think its 90% Atreides roleplayers and slavs

Is the deep desert the same for a whole server or it's also divided between sietches?

>>529026950
>solo is fantastic until the wall you hit at the end of the plot and need plastanium
>>529026956
>An I join ones that are not on my server or am I restricted to them?
I believe you are restricted to them, but I guess the mechanic around that is to have multiple characters if you want to join different guilds.

>>529026950
>solo is fantastic until the wall you hit at the end of the plot and need plastanium
my contention is that T6 as it is currently is not meant for solo PVE types (which I am), and it certainly is not needed for PVE content. If you look at it beyond the weapons it really designed to produce mass quantities and store them, which you only need in a guild base that PVPs and loses items. For strictly PVE its trivally easy to stockpile things very rapidly beyond your needs for a very long time, once you are in T4/T5. And T5 itself has very little in it compared to T4.

>>529033281
I think that if Funcom had a lot more PVE content in the game at launch, the pressure to llow strict PVE access to T6 materials would have been a lot less. However, once the questing is done, there is nothing to do in this game from a PVE perspective other than to grind T6

>>529033592
There's a video up of someone who built a pvp arena in the desert that looks pretty fun.

>>529033703
yeah Ive seen that. the guy that created the video also made one based on the changes yesterday, saying all it did was make it harder for small groups (between solo and large guilds) when it came to spice farming.

>>529033281
>my contention is that T6 as it is currently is not meant for solo PVE types (which I am)
yeah that is fair

and the production facilities aren't really worth it either for a solo or small guild

but even for a large operation, production would far exceed anything you need eventually. then there is nothing to do with the excess shit you make (maybe produce stuff to sell at the vendor i guess maybe?)

idk

>>529034019
It did. But I can understand why funcom did it because if they just made the pve part of the deep desert abundant it would have broken all pvp anyway.

>>529031741
same for whole server

>>529034946
>production would far exceed anything you need eventually.
that would be the point, since it would enable PVP at that level.

>>529033281
to elaborate on this a bit more, I belive they intent behind the changes is to alleviate the whining from the PVE T6 crowd sufficiently, but they do not intend to cater to them any further. Their hope is that that crowd is either satisfied with the change or simply goes away. I dont think they have any intent on maintaining the PVE playerbase or changing their long term plans, since it would be way too much work than they intended to do. They expect a drop off in players. But they want to fix PVP and Landsraad to make their preferred endgame more viable, and that takes a lot less work from the stand point of content than PVE stuff (t does take more effort in balancing, but thats just moving numbers around).

new, last ditch effort to have fun - raw currency farm by mass producing garbage products to vendor

>>529036968
>raw currency farm by mass producing garbage products to vendor
ive already seen a video about how to do that (selling lubricant to vendor, IIRC)

>>529037089
oh fuck, thankyou senpai. i was going to use handscanners

>>529036968
>join guild
>farm spice and shoot the shit with your new friends
>engage in pvp
Yes, it helps if you know those new friends are racist or not but they usually are.

>>529037237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnimfMbHfe4

>>529022087
>the internet use to be a digital ethnostate
We didn't know how good we had it

>>529037267
i'm stuck in a dad friend guild that never made it to DD

man dune prophecy is boring as fuck

>>529038997
Completely non-canon as well. It's dogshit.

I still haven't finished after the first book, will probably do it after getting bored of the game. Is everything written by Frank before his demise "canon", or there is another differentiation?

>>529040342
If its written by Frank its canon. Everything else is not.

>>529040456
having said that, the stuff written by Brian will certainly be used as inspo for the game, like the Star Wars EU inspo the "canon" Disney Star Wars stuff.

>>529037727
What do you mean? It still is. It's just not yours anymore.

>>529041668
if the image is anything to go by, you don't know what you even missed jeet

Do you headcanon a background implanted in your head by the Tleilaxu to give you a believable backstory for your character?

>>529038997
I enjoyed the book (and the whole trilogy) it took inspiration from. Didn't like the two sequels to Dune that Brian Herbert wrote but these were pretty enjoyable Especially the navigator stuff, Josef Venport was fucking based.

>>529040013
Neither is this game thoughever

>>529047769
I'm 100% convinced brian herbert signed some kind of IP contract deal with a publisher and then they had an on-hire slave writer, in this case anderson, do all the writing for the entire series with literally zero input from brian herbert.

Dude just used his father's work and legacy as a get rich quick scheme.

>>529046517
i headcanon being a grunt and ignoring the whole chosen one thing
in fact one of my favorite things is looking like npcs in the game, lite-rping being that faction. when you convince other people to do it, its cool

what the fuck
armor plates were worth 44

>>529053225
They MASSIVELY overestimated the amount of spice guilds would be able to churn out. Their expectation was that the majority or large nodes would be fought over and harvested by a handful of guilds using crawlers.

>>529054963
Are large nodes not fought over?

>>529056617
Fought over where? They removed PVP little nigga

https://www.twitch.tv/pat_harry

>>529056617
Only during active hours, and then nobody is using a crawler; the majority of the spice is wasted. The rest of the time the nodes are split over a large number of parties. Basically, small groups / individuals need a lot of spice for their own production / refineries, as well as for their equipment AND REPAIRS to their equipment. The large concentrations of spice they expected (beyond what people would "need") are very infrequent.

How is the EU guild? Can I get an invite?

>>529052414
Based immersive player
I usually do that in MMOs where you're some big important figure, I'd rather be some nobody, it's more fun to portray the smaller struggles

I thought only the first DD line is PVE but it switches between red and yellow all the time. How does this work?

>>529061360
Shipwrecks are still PvE.

>>529062303
Shit. Still PvP, I mean. Brainfart.

>>529047769
The game has an excuse, it's an alternate timeline envisioned by Paul. No such thing for that drama shite.

>>529062647
>paul envisioned swarms of underage brazilians and chinese speedhackers playing flight simulator: desert rockets edition
based

Does the helicopter make the game more enjoyable

>>529065069
so you envision old terras formerly impoverished territories and the ancient descendents of their lineage to be reborn as vengeful gods who harass you should you strive to climb too high and leave your eternal prison. why you envision them as young children having their way with you, we do not question the prophet.

>been playing on someone elses private server
>its been offline since last night

RIP to that character I guess, fuck. Are there any US guilds from this thread that are still alive and kicking? I'm fine with starting over wherever, I actually like the process of building up from scratch.

>>529066415
>you envision them as young children having their way with you
Happens a lot more often than you'd think. Paul passes the prophet test.

>>529066150
it certainly makes traveling easier and quicker. Dont know if that is enjoyable to you or not.

>>529066415
>>529066567
just harkonnen things, man's got that baron in him

has anyone played on the pvp servers?

>>529068102
This isn't like Conan Exiles, all servers are the same. Pvp only happens in select areas, namely shipwrecks and half of the deep desert, along with the large spice fields.

>>529066150
I would argue that thopters make travel LESS enjoyable. They completely invalidate bikes imo, thopters are simply faster and safer with no real downsides. If you're finding you don't like the game and are expecting a thopter to somehow make things fun, that won't happen.

>>528991926
Very chill just mining, even in pve DD

>found a nice medium pile to myself
nice

Atreides or Harkonnen for this feel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcZ98eS8JR0

i dunno about building a base in sheol, doing a buggy run from western shield to sheol isn't so bad, safe sand trip for half of it, can hit the poi for t5 recipes, two buggyloads is probably enough duraluminum, right?

>general has already completely dragged to a snail pace
>on a weekend evening
owari da....

>>529075613
Thank the retarded devs.
Or maybe people are playing and not posting.
Depends on whether or not you liked the new update.

>>529075878
if 100 anons were here, only 1/5 even builded on ornicopter, and only 5 of us had a handforged dunctori idahanzo blade forged for our master before he jobbed offscreen

>>529075613
PVEers are doing the T6 grind. PVPers are still PVPing other than the drama queens. But pretty soon it will die if the devs dont fix PVP or give some reason for the general PVE pop to play, since they made T6 annoying enough that a lot of the solos are going to leave when they realize T6 is not the hassle.

so should i be using this mk4 generator forever or is lower fuel efficiency somehow better

>>529075613
The game is still breaking 111k. Which is, admittedly, a big drop off of about 50k.

>>529010898
i agree with restrictions being good sometimes when it comes to building systems; im just retarded and have no taste so i cant really make a good base.

>>529076862
as a solo PVE, I see no need to ever have anything other than a mk4 scout, since its the easiest to replace parts eventually and it does everything you need it to do. The only reason that would change is if they change or get rid of the VBT. All the other tiers are not better enough in comparison to their material costs.

>>529058076
i dont think either listed guilds are alive

>>529077275
im a solo pve tard too but honestly once you get a buggy and a deathstill are resources a huge issue beyond the time it takes to make them?

>>529077504
Fuck. Guess I might be uninstalling and hoping the game picks up then. I feel like i got hit by fomo a bit but it is a pretty good game either way.

>>529077545
>once you get a buggy and a deathstill are resources a huge issue beyond the time it takes to make them?
T4 is the m4 ornithopter. T4 is aluminum, which with a buggy (and a base in the appropriate area) is trivial to get (aluminum and cobalt paste is where the buggy really starts to matter.) And aluminum is refined straight, just water. T5 requires trips to Sheol. Can you get a lot of duraluminum with a buggy? Sure, plus there is very little demand for T5 mats other than vehicles. But its still more of a pain in the ass to get than aluminum, and the difference in performance and what I use the thopter for means that pain in the ass is not worth it to me.

>>529078223
Yes, I am at t5 myself now and it's clear I'm just done. There's nothing new to unlock. I have no desire to go to the deep desert as it stands.

>>529077856
keep in mind that if they follow their published DLC roadmap, you are not likely to see a new map unil Apr-Jun 26. A year. Next DLC in Oct-Dec this year MAY have some sort of a new map (since its a crashed ship) it will be comparatively small.

>>529078505
>529078505
Im at the same place. i got enough duraluminum to make one advanced death still, armor and weapons, with a supply to renew the weapons, and I really see no need to climb to T6. I went to the DD once, yesterday, to raid one lab for enough thermalwhatsists to build a cuttterray mk5, and thats it. With the way they apportioned and positioned the T6 maps at the far edge of the PVE area, I cannot even be assed to fly out and hope to get some before someone else grabs it, let alone fuck around with spice. Just no need. I will probably set up a small Sheol base to farm blueprints from shipwrecks, but thats about it.

is this a decent spot for a base on the massive cliff face? i think i need road access for my buggy for a base to be viable. ive never used a stake before; is your 15k refunded if you remove them or change them? i want to eventually build the base over the cliff edge.

>>529080021
Cliff bases along there seem to be a popular spot. Stakes are not refunded ever, if you move your base you lose the stakes and solaris spent on them. Money really isn't an issue though, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Just sell some rad suits or lube.

>>529080021
I think that's the exact spot I chose for my own base. Show it on the map?

>>529080462
it might be.
>>529080398
i figured, there's a really cool atreides one about a kilometer away from this, it inspired me.

>>529080021
yep, that cliff face is considered by many to be prime base location due to it being in the aluminum zone with some proximity to Sheol for T5. One thing to keep in mind is that once you get a thopter, the true speed advantage is that your base is at the edge of the HB map, you can use the overworld map to quickly get to any other map edge, which makes flying to Sheol and back trivially easy. But where you are, if you follow that road parawest, you can get down to the buggy route to Sheol very easy as well.

>>529080398
>money isnt an issue
is it really not? i assume you mean when you get constant access to the market board; and how large are each stake?

>>529080868
money is not an issue for multiple reasons, and you really dont have to deal with the market board. You can get enough for taxes on a big base by doing a few elite chest runs (and you often dont have to do any fighting, since people usually have certain ones constantly cleared out of spawns). Or you can set up a lube selling operation to vendors, and not worry about the player market and is inconsistency.

these guys have cool armor.

>>529081108
and by elite chest runs, you get the solari direct, usually close to 3k per chest, without dealing with selling items at all.

>>529081169
atreides

>>529080784
>you can use the overworld map to quickly get to any other map edge, which makes flying to Sheol and back trivially easy.
lmao i didnt even think about that
holy shit that's so cheesy

>>529081442
is that atreides armor?

to get traitor armor do i actually need to betray the faction or do i just buy it at the black market vendors

>>529082030
yeah, scout (light) armor. The heavy without a hood has a master chief look about them, you see them as guards in arakeen.

>>529082468
woah neat. i knew what the heavy looked like, i didnt know those were the scout armors; ill have to make a new character to be a melee scout shitter because my autism demands my characters be themed.

>>529082468
>master chief
you mean those mustard chef looking knockoff motherfuckers. I can't take atreides seriously after seeing their stupid heavy armour in arrakeen, the light scout set does look cool though

>>529082246
from reddit:

"Each faction has available to them a "Traitor Vendor". So if you join Harkonnens then in Harko village you can find a vendor that sell all of the Atreides stuff like the above armor variant. to be clear, this game calls transmogs "variants", and if you don't know what transmogs are they let you change the look of any armor set without affecting its stats. The "Traitor Vendor" will sell all of this stuff for your factions rep and also at double the price. So you need Harkonnen rep 3 to buy both the Harkonnen's light armor transmog for 8k and the Atreides light armor transmog (the above set) for 16k. The complete opposite applies for Atreides of course.

The nice thing is that by the time you actually pledge yourself you'll be at rep 2 and you can buy the light armor swatch, which for Harkonnens is back with red highlights if you like that sort of thing."

>>529081919
yep. Attached is my route (green lines) from my base (red circle) to my Sheol mining spot (yellow circle) using the overworld map edge (blue lines)

these harkonnen windows are really sturdy, they stay in the air even after you demo or put something else over them, they're just floating there

>>529084473
a lot of windows can do that, i think my og base in the south of the basin did that for a day after i disassembled a wall

>>529080580
you are in a very good spot, made a base to the left of that spot but my dumbass built it above the house rep and now I can't have a cool ramp off of the cliff. 50,000 plastone in, it's too late to change spots.

>>529085701
i figured i should plan around a ramp for the buggy and stuff.

>>529077004
122k peak pop today on steam charts. 121k peak pop yesterday (but that's not a weekend)

Highest pop was 174k last sunday.

The numbers aren't outright terrible, but if this were a game that's keeping people interested and invested and playing, this weekend would be seeing higher numbers than last weekend, and it's definitely not on track to be doing that. Word of mouth is getting around to avoid the game, FOMO's over, there's nothing in the game's endgame that friends who've bought and played are telling their other friends to buy in and play too

So its downhill from here because they forgot to actually put a game in the their game. Some PVE/PVP balance changes aren't going to fix the problem that there's nothing to do for either.

>>529087995
this is literally the most regular shit that happens to most games. if you name counter examples, they are likely blockbuster gigantic hits.

when should i be repairing shit with my vehicle tool to minimize maximum durability loss?

>>529088198
>this is literally the most regular shit that happens to most games.
but those games you are thinking about are not live service games with a PVP endgame, and thus its the type of game that is most sensitive to player pop fluctuations, especially this game where the PVP is structured the way it is. I would say, as a strict PVE player, if I was Funcom, I would focus on making PVP far more competitive, interesting and viable, simply because that population is easier to cater to than the PVE'ers at this point. I cant see anything they can reasonably be expected to do with this game to keep me in as a pure PVE player, unless they have some awesome game loop that comes out fast that makes me want to continue to play (and I cannot envision what that could be).

>>529088643
I am sure there is a video or post somewhere about it, but it will matter greatly on what skills you have allocated, so I dont think there is one fixed answer. I saw one video thumbnail about it that had "let it break" in it, so maybe its that.

>>529088860
no, it's still prone to happen in these types of live service games.

are boosters ever advisable for a sandbike, it feels like they do fuck all

>>529088643
any time you feel like it doesn't matter or change anything

for gear there can be minor fluctuations on resource cost for repairs because they can't do floating point amounts like 0.7 duraluminum so that just gets rounded up, but for vehicles it doesn't matter at all.

>>529089083
This. Look at path of exile which has a very similar cadence to what funcom plans for dune, with updates every 3 to 4 months. Poe league launches can get 100k players, if not 200k+, but that number very quickly dwindles down after a week or so. But then the next league comes a few months later and it swings back up. It is absolutely normal for player numbers to fluctuate and I'm actually a bit shocked that Dune is keeping as many players as it is given how completely barren the endgame loop is. There just isn't anything to chase after.

>>529089375
they are, if that boost of speed is all that saves you from a worm strike.

>>529088643
it doesn't matter for vehicle parts you still need to repair them the same amount regardless of how you do it. you just want a mk5 repair tool and the relevant skill points to not lose out on dura

do servoks and capacitators get dropped in higher amounts the further north you go?

>>529089624
the POE playerbase is nothing like the Dune playerbase. The POE player base peters out based on how well the league itself works. If the leage mechanic sucks, there drop off is more severe and faster. But with POE, there is still many magnitudes of things to do if you want to log in after 100 or so hours, let alone waiting for the next league. In Dune release cadence there is very little to log into again until the end of the year at the earliest. And in that time Dune will be considered a failure because the player base has different expectations than a POE player; POE players will start a new character without blinking and grind through the same content over and over as a matter of course, while in Dune is fundementally not structured that way.

>>529090067
Yes. More chests with more in them.

>>529089624
people don't want things to chase after, they want actual gameplay content like shooting each other or exploring shit, not endlessly grinding rocks into numbers they store in their base

I really fucking hope the suits don't fuck it up and chase "add infinity gear tiers" as the "content" for this game. I don't want to see new guns, new armor, new vehicles right now. I especially don't want to grind a tier 7 cutteray so I can mine the new tier 7 rock that unlocks the new tier 7 tank. That's not content, it's garbage.

I want have fights with people, controlled or uncontrolled, solo duels, big battles. I want to explore the planet and navigate around the world dodging worms and sandstorms and getting water using my skills and brain, instead of everything being either totally trivial/convenient/shallow, or in the case of ground PVP and balanced fun PVP - completely non-existent.

I do not want to mindlessly grind rocks to be better at mindlessly grinding rocks. I do not want to mindlessly grind rocks to get gear that makes me overpowered against anyone who hasn't mindlessly ground rocks. Yet I am about 95% certain that is exactly what they are going to do with the future of this game.

>>529090701
>I especially don't want to grind a tier 7 cutteray so I can mine the new tier 7 rock that unlocks the new tier 7 tank
But that's almost guaranteed to be the next 'big' update. Power creep locked behind an even bigger grind to pad out playtime, maybe even time gated stuff you get in limited amounts from doing landsraad activities or some shit, only to have higher numbers on the same gameplay.

>>529091161
If that's what they do I'm honestly gonna shelve the game and move on

>>529091382
But then your base will decay and you will lose all your progress and all the time you have invested will be wasted
Consider your sunk cost

>>529091610
I'm not the kind of person who gives a shit about that.

>>529090701
>people don't want things to chase after
>they want actual gameplay content

Thats...what I meant. The poe comparison was purely about player numbers fluctuating, not any kind of gameplay comparison. I agree, Dune does not need more loot, it needs actual fucking gameplay mechanics, any reason to login and play really.

>>529091610
I can knock down the important bits of my base, store it in the bank, and if I ever come back I can be up and running again in a hour or so. But then I intentionally do not store a bunch of stuff so I can do that.

>>529092063
I don't think I have enough of a grasp on the resource economy to understand what to bank.

how's my ramp bros? i cant fit shit besides 2x2 floors behind the door because i have no stakes yet but this is just the start of the base i swear

>>529093602
Might want to make the whole thing 2 squares wide to accommodate a buggy.

>>529093934
can a buggy not fit on one?

>>529093602
preemptively plan a single row of flat floor tile ahead of the gate entry for when you get pentashields and a buggy - vertical connection to the lip of a pentashield surface causes extremely fucked physics interaction for whatever spaghetticode bullshit reason

>>529093558
all you do is demolish your machines if they are iron or above (you get 100% return of the materials). That sounds like a lot of matrerial, but if you have a purely progression oriented base (which as a solo is all you really should have) it really is not (ingots always weigh a lot less than ore). Everything beyond that is nothing, especially if you have advanced death still, you can get water up and running within an hour or so. You should only be using the normal power generators anyway, which are just salvaged metal. Store the parts to a buggy as well, and some fuel, and on your first trip get fuel cells and corpses. You are done after that.

>>529094720
Barely

how do i make a good character

Game plays like shit post patch.

People are bitching about PVP when jank bugs and hackers are all rampant.

Dead game soon.

F

>>529094960
what's the weight limit of the bank?

>>529093558
>grasp on the resource economy to understand what to bank.
don't store refined metals other than what you need to make 2 deathstills, a medium ore and a small chemical refinery
keep as many of the 'annoying to farm' things like sandtrout leathers, industrial pumps, advanced servoks and capacitors - etc. they're worth far more 'time' than basic material rocks

i experimented with it a bit and it really only takes ~2 hours to fully build a functional aluminum-tier base from absolute scratch if you have the annoying specialized components already on hand
there's also the 'solido replicator' that lets you design and store your own specialized survival shitcube for ready deployment that you can store, too

>>529080580
>>529085701
I'm pissed because I wanted that spot and it's taken by this boring ass base that's very clearly barely used

>>529096372

Depends on if your moms body is in the inventory

>>529096459
>someone else is using the hark variant with atreidies colours
cool

>>529097128
yeah the super dark green is really sleek on it, just wish that lime green wasn't there

>>529096372
30 slots, 1500v. but also consider you can have your ornithopter storage as well (if you have a storage module on it)

>>528916701 (OP)
So whats the deal with the PVE and PVP changes?
I havent bought the game yet but i understand they basically made 90% of the game map PVE now?
Just asking, no judgement calls here.

Can someone also just explain how it works? is there a map showing how it works or is it more complex?

>>529098403

They made part of end game PVE only which is forcing PVP players into a smaller area while also not really fixing the issues PVE players complained about, so, no one is happy

>>529098403
>I havent bought the game yet but i understand they basically made 90% of the game map PVE now?
There is an endgame map called the Deep Desert (much larger than the map you start on). Originally just a strip on the southern part of the map (where you first enter it) was PVE only. The expanded that PVE only zone to cover the bottom half of the map, and also allowed the resources need to build the top tier of tech to be available in VERY small quantities near the PVP border. This has had various impacts, but it makes PVP more likely in the PVP area (since its more concentrated) and the big PVP guilds (that the end game area is designed around in the first place) use the PVE area to their advantange by placing bases that cannot be attacked at the edge of the PVP area so they can observe for spice blows easier. All in all its had little impact on the endgame, since the resources for PVE, while now accessible, are still small in number and a PITA to get. There are bigger issues that impact the longevity of the game that are not addressed by this change.

>>528920995
>It's also got nothing to do with deep desert changes or PVE vs PVP this or that
>they just forgot to attach an actual gameplay loop - of any kind - to their game.
This.

Despite what so many claim, (and managed to psyop funcom into thinking), PVP vs PVE isnt a game maker or breaker, EVER.
It's always if the game is fun or not. Period. And Dune isnt fun past the initial survival game loop.
PVP typically adds some aspect of end game emergent gameplay, but the reality is that if its implemented poorly (Conan Exiles) people wont like it.
On the other hand, Ark and Rust both dominate the Survival genre despite being PVP focused.
Meanwhile PVE games have died in this genre once the end game hits, again not because theyre PVE, but because they have no fucking game loop.
Resets keep Rust alive, while mods and a ridiculously long tech chain keep people playing Ark.
>>529098403
They got a hit, and then saw numbers drop and they panicked believing plebbit that they needed more PVE zones.

>>529098403
>is there a map showing how it works or is it more complex?
https://www.planetologist.app/

lol, just notice that https://www.planetologist.app/ is no longer showing any stravidium or titanium nodes available in the expanded PVE area at all now. There were a couple available in E3 or 4 yesterday.

>>529099186
>>529099085
>>529099054
>>529098512
Ah, so it was originally just A, right? and now its 50% of the map?
Thats a major change.

How does it affect gameplay really? I imagine its allowed pvp guilds to just play in safe zones and run raids/resource runs into the pvp area.

Out of curiosity, I ran a fairly successful 70 player conan server with 24/7 pvp and weekend raiding for a year back in 2022.
Does this game allow for this kind of settings?
Thinking like a full map pvp, but raiding in only the top half?

>>529100103
>Ah, so it was originally just A, right? and now its 50% of the map?
yes
>How does it affect gameplay really?
it really does not, other than increase PVP in the PVP area due to concentration.
>Does this game allow for this kind of settings?
no, its live service by their rules only. You can rent your own server and thus control who is on it, but thats all that supported by the game engine.

>>529099628
good
pvefags can fucking beg for scraps

It took me 60 hours to get orinthopter am I bad

>>529101090
no. I took longer than that, near 100, but idgaf.

>>529101090

Same, was chill

>>529101090
nah I didn't make one until 75 hours

>>529101090
Yes the only skillfull way to play this game is to look up a guide and rush your thopter in 20 hours like all the cool youtubers tell you to. Might as well uninstall.

>>529101090
it took me 80

>>529103515

How else are you supposed to spend the majority of your time complaining about the end game unless you rush there as quickly as possible?

>queue up an assault orinthopter and go take a shit
>come back to go put it together
>missing pieces
>game just eats up finished crafted shit if there's no storage for it, no refunds
>probably lost a ton of dura and aluminum gathering up materials as well cause of not emptying out refineries
who the fuck coded this garbage?

>>529104315
inventories work on a circuit
the other parts will be in storage somewhere

>>529100489
>no, its live service by their rules only. You can rent your own server and thus control who is on it, but thats all that supported by the game engine.
wow what a mistake. no mods or anything?
conan had so many options, im really disappointed they stopped that. i knew the tencent buyoout would ruin what little good the company had.

>>529104654
I checked every circuit, it aint there or i'm retarded.

>>529105065
you might be right too but i don't think it'd outright delete it from existence and i've never seen it drop anything in front of itself or somesuch

>>529104932
>no mods or anything?
nope. Plenty of hacks, though.

>fly around looking for spice
>finally find some
>its bugged
VIDEO GAME

>>529107453
>boost up to 850m to look for spice while gliding
>immediately see a small patch
>fuck it I'll get it
>it's phantom spice

>>529101090
My friend who'd been looking forward to the game since its announcment got it and was rushed through the acts and given an ornithopter within like 12 hours of gameplay and now doesn't know what to do, so no you aren't.

>>529098403
Deep Desert is a separate map that's multiple zones stitched together. Half of it was converted to PvE which turned PvP oriented players even more feral. They swapped from harassing in-game players to focusing on devs now. It's pretty much cancerous gameplay until the Chinese wake up and hack everyone to bits stealing ornithopers and bases, speed hacking etc which is silenced mostly on official channels because Americans not allowed to talk about their Chinese owners favorite pastimes.

It's very inflated in general in terms of materials too as a solo or small group even, you may suffer for 150ml water when you start the tutorial but you'll need at least 10,000 litres just to produce a T6 base and maintain it for a week and acquire 50l from a single enemy.

IMO there's some things seem that are finished or polished even like the UI and some internal framework with the servers but other things that just like a first pass 'get it out there' situation and deep desert comes off as needs more time to cook.

But the devs fighting against the very culture of the third world as both their primary customer base and their studio owners as they develop the game as live service, is perilous.

I've seen this happen to Grapeshot? studios or whatever their name was that made Atlas from an Ark mod, as Chinese ruined their game from duping to aimbotting, DDoSing as part of their dupes, exploits etc and the devs couldn't do anything because they were already owned by China.
A better vision for ship combat and piracy on the open seas than Sea of Thieves at the time, crippled by China and now SoT reigns from its PvEvP loop.

>>529108056
Certified VIDEO GAME moment

>>529108056
after getting phantom spiced three times in a row I just don't know what's real anymore..

Great game though

What weapons should I use for base breaking? Lasgun? Easy way to farm them?

What's easiest way to make money

Just finished my first base, couldn't let me neighbor show me up

>>529111786
i got two theoretical ways
>make an alt, give it a thopter, finish all the quests etc again for all that money
>make something with unusually high vendor sale price, spam it and sell it
in theory you can raid the bottom row of DD, sell the vehicle parts etc and get the raw solaris from that

or you can play auction house autism and just undercut someone on ingots

>>529113775
>in theory you can raid the bottom row of DD, sell the vehicle parts etc and get the raw solaris from that
sorry thats not a theory at all actually but it is incredibly time consuming with flight time and boring as fuck after a single time

Conan Exiles server is up for anyone else who got burnt out on Dune and wants a meatier game to bite into >>>/vm/1831098

>land at freshly blown ringmouth spice field at i9
>two or three thopters there
>no crawler so figure it's cool to join em
>land my fatass assault
>immediately hit with rockets
>talk on mic
>dead silence
>take off and make it a bit away but it's just too much damage
>get out to try and sprint to rocks
>die immediately after getting out because of rocket spam
>screen goes black
>hear thumper immediately
pvpniggers are so fucking cringe holy fuck

>>529115078
they have no way of knowing you aren't some clantoddler scout rizzing them up while your swarm of 20 fuckbuddies bumble their way to the sector to clean them out
welcome to factionless free-for-all pvp and its consequences

>>529115078
yea
won't just kill you but will do literally any and all acts of spite possible. just killing isn't enough, got to set u to 0

>>529115078
You must be misremembering bro. I was told countless times that pvpCHADs were smart economic actors, so there's no way they'd stop harvesting to run off after an already retreating target and then spend even more resources on a thumper to break his defenseless shit for no personal material gain

>>529112606
Section 8 lookin good

>>529101090
game pretty much ends in a brick wall after you get the ornithopter so you did yourself a favor and got to enjoy the best parts as they were intended.

>>529097756
you can't store an ornithopter or trike that has cargo. i dont mean the module, i mean with actual stuff inside the module.

>>529114846
i want to try conan, but i don't want to pay $80 (on sale) for it. might just pirate it and play solo instead.

>>529115078
>Seal clubbing game mode is filled with seal clubbing
Anyone who thinks the murder zone is anything but kill on sight is being stupid.

>>529117785
It's been pretty friendly for the most part

>>529117250
Just get the base game for $10. Thats all you need, the other dlc is not needed.

>>529118636
wouldn't playing the most vanilla version without years of additional QOL and content run me into the same issue as dune?

>>529118997
The dlc is almost entirely cosmetic shit you don't need like armor/weapon skins, new building sets, etc. The base game is all of the real content with the exception of the siptah dlc, which is entirely skippable pvp focused map.

Or you can ignore me and waste 80 dollars on cosmetic bullshit without your own research. You do you.

>>529111786
A row DD, 39 minutes, 6 labs, 18,348 solari, with total inventory sold (not uniques) ~25,000 solari

Only 2/6 labs actually had enemies in them, using the blademaster questline sword trivialized the whole thing a bit too much desu. I've reached the point where T6 is out of reach time wise, and there is nothing PvE related that's challenging and rewarding.

I'm going to make my very own lube factory. How many small refineries should I aim for to keep things as smooth as possible?

>>529101090
once you get the thopter the game ends and becomes super fucking boring, you will quit after 50 hours of flying around because it gets boring and stale

what the fuck

>>529122771
Ever noticed there is no toilet in any base? Now you know where its going.

how does this auction house shit work? I know I can sell items to vendor NPC's. can people put in say contracts for 500 crystal for $10,000 or is it all just put up shit and people bid on it?
>>529120891
is it for personal use or are you going to sell it?

>>529123323
>is it for personal use or are you going to sell it?
mostly to sell it

>>529120713
which sword is that? is there a blueprint for it?

>>529120891
I've seen people mention selling lube twice now, the fun double entendre aside, is this auction house selling or NPC vendors? Is it better value than other shit? I'm really hurting for credits, and the prices on all the faction stuff are insane.

>>529120713
I'm still mad I lost this sword due to a bug (controls got stuck on open sand, somehow got stuck under flour sand or something) moments after getting it

>>529123826
Not that Anon, but NPCing it at 10 solari per if I remember right. 50 per craft iirc since you make 5lube/ea. It seems like one of the easier farms if you live next to a decent route of fuel boxes, are next to a trading post, have death stills for infinite ez water, and can grab the flour comfortably.

>>529123826
>>529124346
yeah so say I want to sell 500 lube on the auction house. how much am I going to get for it. is it random so will the price drop if too many people are selling it. can you only sell on your server. I haven't really looked into it much

Ignore from the BG tree is one of the funniest skills in the game.

i have found an actual money printer

>>529123719
>>529123887
https://www.method.gg/dune-awakening/swordmaster-advanced-trainer-quest-guide-for-dune-awakening

Jolt Sword can be gotten from the A Row DD labs or in any of the PvP faction bases I think, like the Atredies base up north. Its not 'the' best sword, but once you get it nothing can survive more than 1-2 heavy hits (with sword perks of course).

>>529124913
Post it or full of lies

>>529123826
You're selling them to vendors.
Lube is crafted in batches of 5, using two of the easiest items to come by and sells for 10 solari a piece. A full storage container of the stuff will net you 45k for 10 minutes of farming and a few hours of passive crafting if you're using a single refinery. It's free money and you get to do other shit while you wait.

>>529125206
I'll have a look, cheers

>>529124629
I doubt anyone will be buying lube on the exchange. But if you were to try and sell it, it would be at whatever price you set it. Lube isn't about selling on the exchange, its just that the materials are easy to farm up and craft and can be sold to the vendor at any trade post. Easy, simple money.

You should probably just go to arakeen or harko and play around on the exchange to figure it out. I get the feeling that you're really overthinking it.

>>529125251
no never
it exists and it took me a day and its mine now sorry

>>529125431
Knew you were lying, /a/tards can never do anything productive lmao

>>529123826
>Is it better value than other shit? I'm really hurting for credits, and the prices on all the faction stuff are insane.
Do all the quests, they give you over 300k which is enough for everything from your faction.

>>529124629
Here's what a snapshot of the current AH for it is, at least going off of our server (Tabr/Solitary). I wouldn't be tricked by this though. I'm sure there's some retard that'll go for buying raw fuel off the AH, but it's way too unthinkable for me for someone to
>Pay 2.5k to fly out
>Pay 20k/stack for fucking earlygame lube
>Carry it home

>>529124913
Can I get a HINT?
Guide me well, and I will post a tasteful 2hu of your choice

when the FUCK will these random crashes be fixed?

>>529125573
>>529124629
Why are you looking at the AH. You sell lube to vendors, not players. The only thing players buy are Uniques because they're annoying to get.

I wouldn't bother with this lube shit though and I doubt anyone is making real money from it. Do the four cosmic chests in the rad zone and the six labs in the DD, list all the uniques at whatever price they're going for at the AH. Just one of those will be at minimum 10k but most can go up to 100k not counting all the money you get from doing these runs, its about 10k for a full rad run and 20k for a full lab run. Once you clear the labs the rads will be full again, then once the rads are empty the labs will be as well, you can just circle around from rads to labs making money, end game materials, infinite weapons and crafting resources, ect instead of lubing up in a base mining sand and power packs.

Of course all of this is boring as shit.

>>529126091
I heard people bitching that it's a pain once they go from generators to wind they still need to farm lube. so if I can make more selling it at the AH then I would do that. I need to look into if it would be worth it cash wise or not

>>529126091
also they need to add in more shit like you can pay your taxes and access the AH from the sub fief console. you just have to go to arakeen or harko once before you can do so

>>529126227
the lube meme is because you're supposed to vendor it
noone is making 30 thopter trips to the market to pick up 100-capped stacks of lube

Where do you get blank sinkcharts? Is it not possible to craft?

>>529126539
I've seen them being sold by one of the vendors in a capital for 1500 solari

>>529126539
https://dune.gaming.tools/items/blanksinkchart

>>529126693
>1500 fucking solari to make a one-time-use map of a single area
i genuinely don't understand the point of these things

>>529125573
ok i'll just tell you cause i have decided it is shittier than making an alt and replaying the game then giving ur main the money

3 plant fiber and 1 micro-sandwich fiber - 190 at vendor (miserable to do repeatedly but if u were starting out and wanted to buy buggy parts to skip early game, might be ok)
9 iron and 6 emf generators - 660 at anvil vendor

not incredible at all really because you need to go get both those fremen crafting materials from running instances, at that point u could probably run labs for just as much or more

if u wanted to mass produce junk to vendor, these must be the best. the tent is worth 1900 but requires steel etc

that retard on youtube that suggested lube (which requires silicon) might be faring better, idk

>>529127039
>making an alt and replaying the game then giving ur main the money
oh you can't do that
I QUIT

>>529127039
it's probably easier to farm money buy just going to low level areas when high level. walk in and loot chest with cash walk out. I guess you might have to kill the blade fags. just shotgun them in the face or drillshot

>>529127039
Thank (You) anyway

>log in
>stare at base
>log out

>>529127731
yah
i suppose a use case for doing this is clearing out excess stuff you pick up and can't use

https://dune.gaming.tools/items/sandbikegenerator_2
this would be good for getting rid of particle capacitors, 10 iron 8 capacitors for 260 at the crossroads

https://dune.gaming.tools/items/sandbikeinventory_2
this is 510 if you had both excess servoks and armor plates
with no armor plates, treads go for 160 (not worth, probably)

but you can pick those up in lab runs so maybe it could be a way to get more value for money while farming just the regular way

how long is maintenance, usually

>>528924703
Ew.

People in DD are surprisingly chill, I haven't had a single attempt of attacking me after 5 travels into PVP zones in a scout thopter. Everyone either ignored me or tried to escape in the opposite direction

>>529128598
hour

if i ever read "pve" or "pvp" again i am going to scream like nigger it was ALL ornithopter rocket spam and the fat retarded mongoloid faggot apparently knew for months that people didn't like landsraad and KNEW that they put only 1 means of transport and 1 means of combat in the game for their """""endgame"""""

70 hours of a game and then suddenly you are in this vast abyss looking for shit you don't even need for any reason. if you had infinite spice and infinite plastanium, nobody would give a fuck because it doesn't even matter

fuck this game but fuck the turbo mongoloids that play it even more

>>529132496
Anon you don't understand, you'd be fired and blacklisted if you opposed the game design document laid down by the top doggies. Bunker down, do the minimal work and collect paychecks as long as possible even if that means not suggesting something that would grow the value and wealth of the company twofold.
Tencent gets that extra kick back in profits, your job still might be axed.

>>529132496
the only funcom game ive played before this was TSW (not Legends). I see a lot of TSW in Dune. And we know how TSW turned out.

Im out for the weekend but I just realised I didn’t refill my generators. Will a base + assault ’pter in an open hangar survive 2 days with no energy?

Honestly I see a lot of similarities between Dune and WoW. Wanting to have both a leveling experience and end game experience ends up with one fucking the other one way or another.

Honestly they did ok with the combat, had they polished it more, diversified builds and focus on that it would have been a better game. The grind rock to level progression system is going to fuck with everything they add, especially as we get more pvp on the ground which has worse item power levels, two thopters with missiles are fairly close, a player in basic T5 and a player in unique T6 are worlds apart.

>>529135670
no. idk exactly how frequent sandstorms are but there's gotta be at least one per hour. that's 48 sandstorms.

>>529135670
A fully fuelled base should run for 20 days. The amount of energy required does not reduce the timer, it just increases the amount of generators required to keep the base running.

>>529135694
i don't think they're all too comparable. in dune's endgame, there isn't really anything to do except wallow in a pvp mudpit in the DD. endgame wow, even classic, would still offer you queue'able dungeons and raids and organized pvp. dune just kind of stops at duraluminum with optional t6 plastanium that has no value outside of the aforementioned ffa pvp shit flinging. that type of content only appeals longterm to people that sink 2000 hours repeating the same stuff over and over again for slight increases in personal mastery of the game, like counterstrike or TF2.

>>529135776
unless that anon worded their post poorly when they said
>with no energy
they're fucked.

>>529136203
Thats true but I see it adding those things and it always being a mess between progression and end game. It should just be a progression game or an 'end game only' game, which just means a game you jump into and play whenever like Destiny or WoW.

so much unorganised trash in my base how do I ahhhhh this is horrible

>>529136881
kek idk why so many of these games launch without storage labels, it's kind of crazy. i play a lot of survival games so it was easy for me because i have an internal system that's universally applicable and i 'know' what's going to be in each of my chests from experience and habit, but i'm borderline autistic and having a personal system like that isn't a realistic solution for everyone.

>>529136881
You VILL keep 4000 advanced servoks

>>529136830
yea true i can see them fleshing it out more too. just hope they really lock in which route they want to take and what they plan to actually do so that they can vocalize it to the players. right now it's all up in the air as far as the 'vision' goes. we only know they're trying to balance air pvp. doesn't speak much for core mechanics or content expansion.

>>529137157
>You VILL keep 4000 advanced servoks
At some point I will get bored and just craft all my raw mats into items and sell the lot to NPCs, bank it all with a Mk5/6 cutter and come back in 2 years when the game has real content.

>>529137229
Actually, what DO you do if you want to leave the game for more than 3 weeks? Do you just break your entire base into raw mats and transport them piece by piece to the bank? There has to be a less annoying way of keeping your progress

>>529137812
>Do you just break your entire base into raw mats and transport them piece by piece to the bank
i did literally that lol

>>529137812
this >>529094960
you have your personal inventory, the bank inventory, and the inventory on a storage module equipped thopter, and thats more than you will need.

Anyone from here playing on centaurus?

Here is the reality of T6 for PVE people thinking of doing it.
The ranged weapon this is most often labeld as the best in the game (Fivefingers rifle) is a T5 unique farmed from HB.
The most popular end game armor (not necessarily the absolute "best", but armor is a more complicated thing than weapons) is Syndicate, which is T5 Unique and farmed the exact same locations as the Fivefingers rifle
The rest of the stuff (infrastructure) is either completely unecessary (the fabs) since the best weapons dont require them and the lower tier vehicles are perfectly fine unless you are PVPing, The rest of the infrastructure is desgined for guilds doing guild levels of production. The T6 refiners are more efficient, but no where near the degree required to make the grind to get them worth it; the time and effort spent on the grind would be better spent grinding out mass quantities of T5 mats that you really dont need.
If you are a PVE solo, the game ends at T5.

>>529138834
>The rest of the infrastructure is desgined for guilds doing guild levels of production
and by that, I mean production to support PVP activities (gearing up with T6 for PVP and replacing losses).

>>529138159
>inventory on a storage module equipped thopter
Can’t store a vehicle if it’s got anything in its storage

>>529139001
Then log out in Arrakeen/Harko.

If I log out in the open, should I get into my tent? I like the idea conceptually, but I don't want to log in and have my tent be gone.

>>529139312
you are only vulnerable for 30 seconds but the tent will stay in the world and eventually run out of durability

>>529139001
this >>529139201
you fly to Arakeen/Harko with your last load and log off there. If it has not been implemented already (CBA to check) you will soon be able to access your thopter inventory at the bank. You could also fly an assault with its bigger storage module.

>>529138834
Yes, and thats a design flaw. Now all we need is guilds removed, faction v faction introduced and the grind for T6 reduced so a solo can viably get it.

>>529138159
can you store your thopter when it has inventory? or how does it stay not destroyed?

>>529139996
>Yes, and thats a design flaw.
not a flaw, but a reality. Its just not needed or really desireable for solo play, because once your at T6, what are you going to do as a solo? Nothing. Its just not designed for solo PVE. Deliberately. The only reason Funcom has caved to the limited extent they have is to string idiots along for just a bt longer until they realize it and quit.

>>529140428
you "store" the thopter at the Arakeen/Harko hanger by flying there. Its not in your VBT. You cannot store a scout with inventory in your VBT.

>>529139383
What a shit way to implement that. I would have loved for more immersive ways to log out, you can't even get into a bed ffs

Guys I have 80 hours already and I bought this game less than a week ago. I've built an open air aircraft hangar using those star wars spaceship shields as a ceiling and a wall and my base is hanging off a cliff so I fly in one end and drive out the other and it's raw kino. Im going to make a sub base in sheol just to gather crystals later.

>>529138834
But anon I want to be angry that the game has no infinite feedback gambling loop or subscription to farm costumes and buildings >:(

>>529141269
Take it slow, enjoy it while it lasts. The first days are awesome.

>>529094958
>causes extremely fucked physics interaction for whatever spaghetticode bullshit reason
Almost certainly because you're hitting the door slightly faster than the collision turns off to let you pass.

>>529115078
oh it gets even better, the devs are gatekeeping all the tier 6 stuff behind those "pvp" niggers so that they will always have an advantage not just in number of players but in their equipment as well, with 25% - 200% more health, damage, or speed than you, on top of having 5 friends on the batphone just in case you actually do put up some kind of fight somehow anyway.

The way they implemented "PVP" in this game is absolute utter garbage.

Hello /dune/. I just started a few days ago and I have tons of questions most of which escape me at the moment. Let me finish my coffee and actually wake up.

Is it better to repair things often or use them down to 1% and then repair?
What's more important for ranged vs shielded enemies, damage per shot or number of shots?

>>529120891
I saw that video too and any of you following his advice are herbivore retard players

1000 solari per 100 lube which takes upwards of 30 minutes to collect and refine. Holy shit just go run a PVE dungeon and actually have some modicum of fun playing the game while getting 10k solari in 10 minutes

>>529137812
turn as much of what you have into money as possible and store that in the bank as there is no limit on how much money you can have there, but there are limits on how much equipment you can store

>>529144576
>The way they implemented "PVP" in this game is absolute utter garbage.
Rust has been a disaster for the gaming community. But I don't know how you could fix it. If you make any FFA freeform pvp game this is how people act even if it's not a benefit to kill everyone they see.

>>529141542
are you one of the devs getting genuinely upset players don't like the shit endgame you made?

>>529145345
You fix it by not trying to make rust 2.0

and they didn't even manage that, nothing about this game says "we looked at what rust did right and wrong and tried to improve on that"

this game literally looks like someone just threw retarded ideas at the wall without caring if anything would actually work

the ONLY thing this game has that I think there's any merit to are the melee combat mechanics. It is the sole gameplay mechanic in the entire game that actually stands out and they are going to absolutely squander it with this monumental pile of crap they built around that one gem.

>>529145676
>this game literally looks like someone just threw retarded ideas at the wall without caring if anything would actually work
First Funcom title? Funcom = great ideas, piss poor execution.

>>529145676
How would you fix it though? So many games have tried and the big zerg groups always devolve into kill on sight.
>o are the melee combat mechanics.
Believe it or not but the shields, guns, and abilities aren't that bad either.

What the fuck is this building system? Now I understand why everyone just slaps cubes instead of applying creativity

>>529130926
baby ah server

>>529146257
The trick is you build out from a foundation at the bottom and connect them in the middle.

>>529146662
It's almost impossible to build it at the exact same coordinates to then successfully connect. The game doesn't have pins after all.

>>529144576
For the life of me I can't figure out why they didn't keep pvp faction-based.

>>529146793
Always make sure you are connecting from the same base structure. It's the only way.

>>529132496
I really enjoyed the main story and most of the writing for the side-characters was okay to good. I also enjoy the literaly "PVE" when hiding from the sun and traveling and climbing was challenging. Bizarre game, man. Tried to satisfy everyone all at once.

>>529145796
I would fix it by not having it in the first place, or if it's going to be there, it's a sidegame to the actual content which would focus on kanly and landsraad stuff and look more like destiny arena fights or planetside 2 fights between roughly balanced teams (even if the arena itself is out in the desert) than a FFA griefer fest where nobody but the most toxic retards have fun and the fun isn't playing the game but in fucking with people, which is the actual endgame they made.

This game has 3 problems:

1. They catered to the kind of players who get fun from fucking with people rather than playing the game. That's why they're building walls around other people's bases, covering up resources nodes, dropping thumpers on wrecks, zerging carriers in pve areas and pushing them into the ground, blocking off entrances to PVE content with vehicles, etc. This is the playerbase they want the game to have. Absolutely insane dev goal.

2. The survival mechanics are practically a different game and they are NOT done well because all of these survival mechanics are too easy to deal with. I've got what must be over 100 hours now and I STILL haven't died to the worm even once. Sandstorms have only ever briefly inconvenienced me. My singular ONLY environmental death came from launching over a dune at the edge of the map and landing in quicksand and thinking maybe I could back out in time. There is no depth and no thinking and no skill to any of it.

3. The gear progression like this is an MMO. Holy fuck I hate it. This just serves as content filler and grind so you don't notice how lacking the game is in things to do.

And the problem with these 3 problems is that they do not jive with each other. Nobody who likes playing cookie clicker on rocks is going to like any kind of PVP. Anyone doing PVP is going to hate the tedious rock mining bullshit to get gear so they can actually enjoy pvp.

>>529147331
With that many flaws it looks like we got scammed out of our money.

Log in today, first PM is a gold seller and the report function is broken, cool game

>>529147331
I suspect a true PVP arena mode was cut for time purposes and will be in one of the waves of DLC. There needs to be venues for on-foot pvp and vehicle pvp with more than just ornithopters in the open. The core problem though is there are subhuman shitheads out there that only find pvp fun when it's an overwhelming gank and there's just no appeasing them and everyone else at the same time. I've seen instances where these guys are giving people shit for running in a 1 on 5 fight and not just laying down to die. Trying to appeal to these cases is insane.

>>529146938
That's the problem. I've given up on adding a thopter hangar to the initial building because the game doesn't have triangular pentashields and straigtening the into a rectangle looked ugly no matter what I tried. Had to build a separate hangar and connect it somehow

>>529148352
You can't jank it and add the shield partially obscured by something so you end up with a triangle shield?

>>529147461
If I could go back in time and stop myself buying this game, I would. It's overpriced for what it offers and the dev team is going to take this game in the wrong direction, doubling down on things that aren't good and don't work, because if they knew any better it wouldn't have been there in the first place, and devs always double down on the stupidest ideas, not the best.

My advice for them would be to ditch any focus on FFA PVP bullshit, ditch any ideas of expanding the grinding treadmill, and pivot onto some kind of actual balanced non-FFA PVP whether it's instanced, factions, solo, giant battles in the desert ala planetside 2; whatever.

And optionally but it would be a very good idea, make the environmental hazards require more than 2 braincells to deal with. Water is the most important resource on arrakis after spice, except it isn't in this game. Worms are the most dangerous environmental hazard yet all I need to do is jump in my ornithopter every 2 minutes because worms are just stupid fucking timers and not any actual engaging mechanic. For fucks sake do they not understand how much more interesting the worms would be if you had to actively look for them and could drive around freely on the sand if there wasn't one next to you, and if there was then fuck you should've watched for wormsigns before crossing, retard.

Here are the things the game is doing well from what I can see:
The ground combat mechanics, they might not be balanced, but they look and feel fun. If there is one thing to quadruple down on it's making the pvp and pve ground combat a bigger deal.

The survival mechanics - they have all the right ideas, heat, water, worms, storms, travel; but they trivialized and simplified to the point that only a retarded brown eyed fat gorilla nigger could possibly die to these things. It's not even about dying, but dealing with them has to be engaging and take some braincells and planning and it doesn't outside the first 30 hours.

>>529148423
you can't as far as I can tell

>>529145442
Not at all, I just don't like shit like OW2/CoD levels of their software engineers developing not a game but where the MMR literally drives players in circles while the flashing colorful lights and loud reptitive sounds sends their players into a feedback loop of addiction, trying to one up a constant win/loss ratio with 'just one more game'.
Their most vulnerable players are borderline autistic and they develop the perfect storm of a agitated engagement that just stunlocks them for several hours a day as they push FOMO worthless costumes on their wallets.

It seems to be what people are almost asking for with Dune. Mindraping stimulus.
A battle royale where players fight in the eye of a storm, a coriolis dust storm that shrinks in the deep desert could even be such a game play loop to fixate on. I'm unsure what could be added at this state of the game, I just want more dungeons and collectables, transmogs etc.

>>529144697
Try to get a mk5 repair torch as its mostly tied to the tool percentage and your talents to minimize durability loss, doesn't seem to matter if you wait for it to break or repair it somewhat often as its always a 20% hit.
Probably overloading shields with spam and enhanced abilities against barriers, or guns specifically peircing them. Each mk has a specific amount of protection and their energy constantly regens.

>>528940490
it's a dream launch with minor hacking and bug issues. the loops have been kept deceiptively simple, we're getting balancing passes for all loops and new toys to play with over summer and a new faction to lock that in before lost harvest gives us deep desert missions in fall and starts the next cycle of balancing passes and toys to play with. this keeps some entertained, you fuming and cash flowing for three to seven years. go put your frustration into capturing some gameplay and make a video ranting away at your frustrations to do your part. or ask the dude you hate the least if he wants to grab a beer tonight, whatever.

How to unlock the skills then? Is it locked behind some main quest step?

>>528940490
They need to add longterm faction rep that can't be insta-locked for the week just because other people have no lives.

>>529151864
His questline is the most unintuitive thing I've ever seen. He stays at his home base above Station 2 for the duration of the questline (not counting launch bugs where he disappeared unintentionally and confused everyone even more). BUT he also shows up in the entrances of other stations in a certain sequence. So you find the next station in sequence, collect a thing in the station for him, then go back to his home back in 2. You do that a few times as well as flying to Arakeen and back.

>>529151530
The "loops" don't need balancing passes, they need to actually exist

Good morning I hope you all have a good weekend and that none of your spice finds are phantoms n_n

>>529152353
>none of your spice finds are phantoms
Biggest bullshit element of this game. Spice is the number 1 top thing and they beat you over the head with that and then this bullshit is allowed to happen. I wouldn't be upset if this was a built-in mechanic where you see a spice patch and it's a decoy trap or something.

>>529152284
All they need to do is add a couple of hard bosses with a low drop chance, end game, unique gear with rolled stats. BOOM extra 100 hours of gameplay right there for all the sweaty bastards

>>529153060
Right now there isn't even the hint in game that funcom are capable of making moderately complex boss fights.

>>529152639
That would be fun for setting ambushed in pvp if you could set out spice as bait. Maybe make it so your little tent things can get covered by sand so you can hide in them while you wait, like a temporary stealth

>>529153686
Let them cook, apparently they have a 10 year roadmap if they even survive that long

>>529154064
Ambushes*

>>529154064
They've hinted as much with adding Fremeny things for people to do.

>>529151864
You ever play Escape from Tarkov and one of the first missions is for you to find a plastic looking container the size of a paperback novel in a train car unmarked with a vague description with no map or compass?

Use an online guide or video. A disoriented person, probably a freelancer or pajeet designed that quest line, not a usual tutorial American.

>>529154064

Ngl that does sound cool. Just like in the movies. That was a great scene.

>>529154231
Nice

It would sure be great to have an option to process things from a vehicle instead of going back and worth to manually unload.

>>529154276
>Escape from Tarkov and one of the first missions is for you to find a plastic looking container the size of a paperback novel in a train car unmarked with a vague description with no map or compass?
Remember the first main mission of morrowind to find the puzzlebox in the dwemer ruin that is actually just near the door into it?

>>529155305
its called the dropdown in your storage box

>>529152284
deep desert is a way to drop content weekly. anything from event currency, skins, parts, whatever can be tested there before being introduced into the pve/private pvp zones. same with landsraad missions for groups which right now ar basic as fuck but have a surprising amount of lore and voice acting attached to them. solo is in a weird place as always, main story is fine but vague, third faction will probably introduce more exploration and trading of sinkcharts and treasures from short-lived places.

>>529156520
>have a surprising amount of lore and voice acting attached to them
Where is this?

>>529155305
>>529156017
this, but a quick unload option or a sorting station would be much appreciated still. also slavery

>>529155339
the puzzlebox that is sitting on the back shelf amongst 20 other items and is the size of rubiks cube in one of the larger dungeons in the game, with 6 possible rooms to check only one of which leads to the cube? The quest where you're told to get a cube, implying there's more than one, without any specification of where it might actually be in the dungeon or what to look for?

That puzzlebox?

>>529156738
the house representatives talk a lot, as do various vendors. I'm not sure if I've met a single interactable npc without voiced lore dialogue, from vendors to throwaway goons. its camp, sometimes cringe, but the houses all have goals, dissent, feuds and protagonists set up to be expanded upon once to community picks their favorite mascot.

>>529157501
Interesting. Thanks. Seems like they need to really flesh out the system both for meme-marketing purposes and also giving people something to do.

>the fremkit is for survival in the desert
how come I don't get one then

>>529158259
Almost everything in one is already a tool in the game.

>>529158259
you get it at the start but they don't treat it as an actual slot item its just your backpack that immediately disappears and is never seen again on your character

probably the bottom right empty slot is for backpack upgrades

>>529151864
>>529154276
Turns out he was in a cage somewhere without any sort of indication. Great game design for real no cap.

>>529158776
bro really needs quest markers baka

>>529144790
>30 minutes
Try 15 to passively get 45k while you run labs and outposts, midwit. You can do both.

humans show up on the scanner as water sources. any water outside shaded places on the surface is usually a guy or a water tank.

Just tried logging out next to a cosmic chest in the deep desert, came back after an hour, no reset. What's going on there?

>>529161654
Someone looted it?

>speedhacking rocket spam niggas keeping up with my full boost mk6 assault thopter

cool game bro

>>529161654
PvE chests have longer timers, I believe it's every 1.5 hours instead of 45 minutes. resource nodes also have a lot longer timers now.

>>529162172
Oh ffs Funcom you've got to be kidding me

What's the easiest way to farm plant fiber

>>529161214
its not technically wrong.

>>529162052
it's the endgame the devs wanted and designed their game for

>>529163204
picking it up

>>529163204
looking at crafting recipes when your first started the game and realizing one of the only resources that is continuously used all the way up to even the high end gear is plant fiber and religiously holding onto all the plant fiber you come across while playing from hour 0 instead of tossing it or ignoring it.

>>529163204
plant fiber respawns REAL FAST (like under a minute), so find a patch in the shade, stand there, and press button until your satisfied. Watch youtube or something while doing it.

>>529163907
WHERE

>>529163938
spawns change every week lil tranime

>>529151864
>>529158776
You’ll keep running into him if you just keep doing the research facilities. That’s the quest.
>>529163204
Don’t bother, just buy 100 for 100 each at the trader.

>>529148352
that's an awesome shape; are all the floorings triangles?

>>529164204
>Don’t bother, just buy 100 for 100 each at the trader.
it is actually 100 for a single piece lol

living in the corner of the map also means sometimes the sandstorms are instant because they started on top of you

floor plan tier list
>god tier
beyblade
>gud tier
dodecagon
>mid tier
false hexagon
>bad tier
hexagon
>shit tier
square
>why tier
triangle

>>529170442
which ones the beyblade

>>529169316
they are never instant; they show up on the compass hud as a red diamond marker before they enter the basin. The music also subtly changes as soon as the marker appears.

>>529170479
any dynamic circular shape

>>529170442
Good shit, but the game is very annoying with the building. I made a circular room on the second floor, and wanted it to stick out from a square first floor room, but shits impossible to line up.
I might use one of these shapes for a hangar though, since the one I’ve made turned out a bit too small.

Heavy armor or light armor for a swordsmaster/bg melee build? I've been using heavy most of the game, but I always find myself annoyed when I'm trying to get away and being out of stam, but I also find myself getting shot up a lot so the dart protection and higher armor of heavy has certainly saved me. Not sure if I want to invest the plastinium for a light set but curious what people are finding they like best, those who have tried both

>>529170442
i don't even

>>529171837
You're getting shot to pieces because the heavy armor is killing your stamina. Switch to light and you'll be too busy zooming around the battlefield to get shot at.

>>529171837
light if you're melee, heavy is you're guns

>>529170479
that one you think is cool and god tier and you build it and someone says "that's a lumpy tower"

>>529163204
Here. Just run in circles around this island and pick up all the plant fibers, it'll be respawned by the time you reach a full circle.

plz more content
or just something to do
i cant log in even if i wanted to, i even turned in the mk6 ray for the worst quest in the entire game

>>529163204
What the fuck do people need plant fiber for?

>>529176282
windtraps

>>529172559
Light if you're melee, light if you're guns, stillsuit if you don't PVP

>>529162172
After some more testing it seems like logging out directly next to cosmic chests and/or within the pentashield phase prevents them from resetting.

Is anyone else's game acting real weird at the moment? Whole bits of buildings flickering in and out of existenmce, setting your character to falling through the floor only to reappear back up again? Textures being entirely missing from portions of cliff faces? Fog of war suddenly reappearing on portions of the map where you haven't been in a while?

>>529176835
Deathstill + decaliterjon solves all water needs
Fuel cells + generators solves all power needs

No point to windtraps, almost no point to bigger power generators (only if you care about space/machinery restrictions)

Is this good solo if you have no mates
Is this even good
Looking for a new multiplayer game to put some time into

>>529176835
Water Needs: A person on Arrakis with a stillsuit needs 0.5–1 liter/day of external water, thanks to efficient moisture recycling.

Air Volume: To collect 0.5–1 liter/day, a windtrap must process 625–14,286 m3/day of air, depending on humidity (0.1–1 g/m3) and efficiency (50–80%).

Windtrap Size: For one person, a small inlet (~33–330 cm2) suffices at 5 m/s wind speed. For a sietch of 100 people, a larger windtrap (e.g., 2 m × 2 m inlet) could collect 50–100 liters/day, fitting Dune’s depiction of cliff-sized structures.

Feasibility: Windtraps are practical for Arrakis, especially with passive cooling or desiccant systems, aligning with the Fremen’s low-tech, water-conserving culture.

tl;dr the windtraps they made in the game are actually reasonably sized. A single 1x1 in-game building block is probably close to 2m x 2m, and chatgpt is saying that's enough for 50-100 liters (which I think is what they actually produce? idk because I use a deathstill and not windtraps)

>>529182302
it should be viewed as an action game experience with a literal end, and until that end is good

all the ass ache is about what came after, which was quite literally an open field you get griefed in for materials you'd never use

>>529182302
I think you'd be best off actually playing with a friend or three. The best part of the game is while you're still in the starter zone of hagga basin and haven't yet got any vehicles, abilities like shigawire or the dindu sprint, or efficient water production. This is when you actually have to pay any attention at all to your water consumption and production and how you're going to travel around and avoid worms.

Eventually the water stops mattering, the vehicles and abilities make travel across the map painless (and let you completely ignore the heat mechanic), you realize the 30 second long sandstorms are just minor inconveniences at worst, and the worms all operate on timers and are highly telegraphed so crossing sand is an entirely binary "you will never get eaten" / "You will always get eaten" system. There is no such thing as watching out for sandworms and avoiding them with careful pathing on the sands.

With all the survival mechanics trivialized out of existence by the time you're getting out of the starter area, all that's left is being a PVE dungeon loot goblin, doing completionist map exploration, and running PVE quests. Which is sortof fun I guess, but not challenging in the slightest, so the fun level drops off after the first few and it starts feeling more like a chore. Mostly you're just running these chores to get the parts to make the cool buggy/thopter that you're hoping is going to suddenly make the game more interesting and exciting and open up areas like the deep desert for you.

Unfortunately the reality is that it doesn't, and the deep desert is just a gankfest full of griefers with next to zero PVE content. All PVP is dogfighting in the air with thopters because everything is sand everywhere which you can't stand on for more than a couple minutes without a worm eating you (because it's a spawn timer and not an actual thing that travels around the map). There is virtually no ground based PVP.

Just found a tiny island with 15 or so titanium nodes and a huge spice field nearby. Is this an expected game behaviour?

>>529184019
people aren't even griefing over mats, they're just fucking with people to fuck with people because there's no other content out there besides fucking with people

>>529185180
Even if there were other content out there besides fucking with people, these people would still be acting like psychopaths

>>529185180
i'm actually surprised at this unique breed of creature i found in this, having never played rust. i've played plenty of shooters at a competitive level, but there seems to be these little faggots that would never think to play cs:go or something to salve whatever competitive urge they have. instead i see these little faggots whine all day on the discord and reddit about how the game was ruined because their absolutely abominable daddy issue inspired behaviour got made 10% harder to do

what personality disorder is it that these faggots have? its just the purest manifestation of bullied child to play a game where you do nothing but levy some impossible advantage to fight people who don't want to fight and avoiding people that do

>>529182302
Solo is the only way I've played and I have well over 100 hours into the game. Its not for lack of trying though, I do actually want to play with others but finding a guild sucks dick in this game and none of my friends give a shit about dune. It doesn't help that apparently both 4chan guilds died quickly thanks to the shitty server structure limiting people from actually getting together.

>>529182268
>>529182469
ye but he need plant fiber for windtraps

>>529185641
>rust
>ark
>v rising
>conan
I've seen them in every survival game. They're mostly just teenagers but there are plenty of adults doing it just for the thrill of beating on someone that can't fight back.

>>529171837
>>529172129
>>529172559
Its a fake choice, if we're talking PvE it doesnt matter what you wear because enemies are never a threat.

>>529191480
having less stamina is pretty noticeable especially in pve thank you nihilism doomtranny.

>this objective that lasted less than 30s is supposed to be for the whole world server
lmao, even if they expand this to let people get rewards after completion this is no way to decide faction control

>>529191847
that was something they said they were looking to change

i found a simple joy in just logging in to do the bottom row of dd now and again, due to all other games being total dogshit too until space engineers 2 is actually out

Are there sandstorms in the DD that you need to worry about with an assault?

>>529191690
It isn't, at all, because the dodge doesn't have any use case from AI. Ive run labs in the A row and deeper in the DD and you never need to dodge often enough for it to make any difference on a max level swordmaster.

>>529192940
yeah

is this all weapons and tools? or just ranged?

>>529194825
its everything

>>529195959
Do you fire and strip down your knife?

>>529196054
do you fire and strip down your laser mining tool in a desert in space while trying to harvest blue opium that causes telepathy?

>>529196168
Yes, don't you?

>>529196269
desu yeah

I've farmed some jasmium and I can get duralanium but I'm definitely starting to lose any interest in progressing.

>>529196994
Get the mining tool then try the DD, because the jas/alum grind is mind numbing.

>>529179824
I think it's some server side issue. was happening to me the other day a long with ping spikes. then I got the message they were restarting the server in 30 mins. I even tried connecting in on mobile data once and it's nothing on my side of things

i think elara tuek wants my pp

>>529198707
she's only interested in your spice. that's why I recommend Old Spice, the official scent of Arrakis

>>529191847
this is hilarious to me. first it's a failure in game design where guilds optimally stockpile permanently available items and resources to spawncamp next weeks shipments. Secondly it's a failure in lore where major houses now operate like african warlords demanding 10.000 guns and tons of cocaine instead of playing a game of power with mining rights and information. Control of Arrakis means power through contracts, the major houses want to control the spice for the power it grants not to get high.

>>529197373
Alright anon. I guess I have no reason to bother with this except to build an oversized house.

>>529200149
The landsraad makes no sense from any perspective. Nobody enjoys crafting turn ins, they're extremely limited, and the rewards are sorta questionable. I hope it's because the system is unbelievably placeholder for actual weekly contracts.

What part of this game isn't placeholder?

Are there any viable ranged PVP builds or does melee dominate completely? I know Dune canon is all melee but Dune canon also has shields rarely used in arrakis

1800 meters home

>>529203729
plenty, it's all rat jigawire drillshot spam to drain their stamina, and the ttk is so long you'll rarely win a 1v3 without having to run

Do I have to pay to get to arakean every time

>>529205316
Build your own thopter if you want to go there for free

>>529204872
this, actual combat between PVPrs that know how combat works has a TTK measured in geological time. Fights will often stop because one side gets bored.

>>529204872
does anyone grenade and drone combo
i thought that might 1 tap someone probably

GunZ: The Desert

>>529206054
>does anyone grenade
the regular explosive grenade appears popular in some of the DD PVP vids I have seen, along with the one that slows everyone down.

>>529206054
explosives go partially through shields and also damage shields

What's the best aluminum weapon

>>529209636
the one you like and have skillpoints in

I've never seen a dev team double down so hard on keeping boring and annoying shit in the game. Genuinely can’t imagine a reason they’d make air pvp so dominant other than the dev team griefing people with it for fun on their off time.

>aluminium
>heavier than steel

>>529209636
Long shot

it's like a 50 point investment just to make sure your gear is breaking slower

>>529191480
>>529191480
>enemies are never a threat.
The kill rooms in deep desert labs are pretty rough, with 3+ terminators in there plus melees that swarm you. While I rarely die to them, I have to play like an absolute pussy and it feels nowhere near them not being a threat; and this is with full t5 purples and a build that wipes the floor with anything Hagga Basin can throw at me.

is this kind of sand anything special?

I fucking FINALLY found a spice field in hagga basin that wasn't a phantom. Are they static? when do they usually respawn?

>>529215615
its space aluminum

what is the point of water and fuel? I'm pretty sure I could make a round trip to all the zones twice over before running out of fuel, let alone water.

>>529216412
one way to beat that is just regularly farm elite chests that always have a T5 weapon in them and store them, sure they are not at full durability, but you will never have to worry about it ever again.

>>529221528
in game design terms, they are sources of "pressure", meant to constrain and thus challenge your decision making.

>>529221528
i speculate they're there for some content that isn't in the game yet

half baked bullshit like DD

there might be some very far away area in the future where it is necessary to stop

>>529221851
>there might be some very far away area
the devs have stated that making a map the size of the DD was challenging in the game engine, so it wont be bigger than that

>>529221528
In the alpha it was just one resource, 'goon fuel' and you had to stop off at the slave pits to purchase human fleshlights to increase your goonometer.

How do I put buggy in vehicle backup gun

>>529221528
The water requirement is there so you don't afk on the world map, eating up server resources while also keeping your pet thopter safely in an exclusion zone where it takes no durability damage.

The fuel requirement is probably just some half-baked left over, or its so you don't fly in circles while chatting or something.

>>529222104
you dont, only one bike or one scout thopter can be in it at a time.

>>529222037
>the devs have stated that making a map the size of the DD was challenging in the game engine
bro
they can say that
but how could that even be possible
it is like 4 landmarks on a map and an entity that moves between them
wizardry 1 had a more complex map in 1981, it had walls between things

>>529222471
oh i mean the overworld map sorry
DD is whatever, fuck that place

>>529222601
DD is also pretty shit. 99% completely empty desert. All that space is completely wasted on nothing

>>529215615
>giant space worms
>travel through fucking sand
this game is so unrealistic

>>529222104
you can technically take it somewhere if you disassemble and carry something to refuel it when you put it back together again

>>529220298
survey the zone and then look at the map and hover on the red areas, it'll say what kind of sand it is. it's quick sand.

>>529206121
This. Suspensor dash is basically baby k-style

how's niggawire claw/explosive grenade/turret for a pvp setup? my only issue when im shooting people is crippling strike is a low cooldown fight ender

>>529222126
>>529221528
Yeah just want to point out when you get to 0 in either nothing happens. You can sit on the map afk forever.

>>529226445
>PvP
Thopter + Missiles

>>529226782
yeah im talking about actually playing the game you dumb nigger

>>529226843
Me too
>PvP
Thopter + Missiles

What should I be selling in the auction house

>>529227378
The only things I see that sell are Uniques in recipe or solid form

>>529215615
Shit is measured in volume units, not weight, so actually copper is more dense then iron is more dense than aluminum.

>>529226445
you will never catch another player on the ground in any meaningful way other than being ganked or ganking while they're already engaged in a pseudo-pve area
you will never catch your nemesis out of his toddlercopter while he rains ten thousand rockets on you
you will never have a cinematic shoot-out using rocks and terrain for cover over a control point
you will never have an epic shielded sword duel in the sunset while the worm is thundering its way through the sand to you

it's all thopters and rockets
it's all brazilians and chinese speedhackers camping the border to swarm you with their favela squad or warp into your vehicle and steal it out from under you
it's Dune: Awakening

>>529228645
i couldn't believe speed hacking in the fucking thopters is a thing until i saw it happen

dead economy

>>529229198
sure beats the 120k from the npc spice vendor. I wish my server had a market like that, its mostly just vastly overpriced blueprints

what happens if i dont pay my taxes

>>529230153
same thing that happens irl

>>529229198
>He who controls the Triple Shot Rifle controls the universe
>Spice? That stuff freman huff? Lmao who cares about that

>>529230153
You cant power your shields even if you have energy, your base will decay with storms then be wiped out

>>529228645
This.
I have no idea why that fat retard Joel keeps doubling down on keeping thopters viable. They're straight up unfun dogshit.

has anyone ever got a cutteray as loot?
it is apparently possible yet i have never seen it even once

>>529230881
it has already been said but their solution to scout thopters was to slow them down and address people pocketing them

if only there was a famously slower ornithopter in the game that you can't store, maybe with something martial sounding in its name like "assault" and not "scout". maybe they could remove the rockets from scouts because speed hacking is already in this shit and the nerf did nothing

fat faggot caught lightning in a bottle and squatted on it

>>529231063
you can get buggy cutter mk5 from sheol chests but i've never seen the handheld tool equivalent
probably so they can keep you gated through progression tiers appropriately - but you can still just go to the marketboard and buy an endgame cutter for like 10k so who cares
game is a fucking mystery of schizophrenic design choices

>>529231276
i dont care about dying to a 3v1/2v1/1v1 that at least seems a little fair but getting zerged by chinese niggers on ornis just kills this game for me. that retard needs to get replaced by someone that knows what fun is

>>529229198
Damn, on mine its 4k each

>>529229198
This auction house was such a horrific idea. On my AH you can now purchase end game armor and weapons to make a full set for a few thousand bucks. There is nothing stopping anyone from starting the game, getting 10k, losing 2.5k flying to a city, then dropping the rest on items that absolutely trivialize progression. Hell you can just buy the end game cutters for a few bucks too.

Why the fuck does it exist at all? If you're going to do trading make it player to play and stalls at bases, a centralized AH was a horrible concept which just alienates players and interaction.

Deep desert is cinematic as fuck. Shame I actively have to stop myself from thinking about the actual game mechanics (or lack thereof) to enjoy the world and flight model.

why the fuck are the small spice patches so desynced? I've seen two spice blows be harvested about a minute before they even exploded on my screen, and then the ones I do find are fake. have those retards even addressed this shit or is this just gonna be a forever problem

>>529233151
Honestly I just enjoy the DD for its chill flying between areas to mine a few rocks, sometimes to scavenge some treasure chests

>>529235058
a lot of the game's more visually interesting aspects like spice blows and ship crashes are basically clientside animations, worms get really fucked up when you've got too many people looking at them as well
i'm guessing the sheer amount of clientside 'permissions' and feeds like that are why it's so incredibly easy to cheat and hack in the game, too.

idk why it even has battleye strapped to it when it does literally nothing, it doesn't even catch my autoclicker when i'm sitting at plant fiber nodes

>theres an item to extend mentat "vision" abilities
>no such thing exists in the fucking game unless they're talking about that single weakspot trait
>there's datamined buggy weapons, not in the game
the real question is if funcom has the financial incentive to actually finish this dumpster fire now that they have their upfront payment

>>529236179
>the real question is if funcom has the financial incentive to actually finish this dumpster fire now that they have their upfront payment
You will see a $20 vehicle DLC with all those cut items soon

It really fucking bothers me that the coordinate system isn't reversed. The letter should be left to right and number how deep you are. Did no one at funcom really notice this?

>>529220298
quick sand has spice hidden underneath

Has anyone tried hiding out near a player base in DD in a stilltent until a sandstorm passes and looting their place while the power is out?

>>529223471
there are snakes and lizards that actually do move through sand and it's not that unrealistic

Here's how sandworms would do it if they were real:

1. They use the oxygen they're constantly creating to blow into the sand around them, loosening up the particles and making it behave much more like a fluid (and probably contributing to sandstorms and wormsigns)

2. Their outer skin is incredibly smooth with a low friction coefficient making it easier to slither in the sand

3. They undulate back and forth in a sine wave like motion to better push off the sand and minimize friction with it

The only thing unrealistic about them is the size.

>>529240240
1. You can't get in unless they left it open (pentashields don't go down).
2. You don't have permission to access any of their shit.

You'd need to destroy the sub-fief console, which for good reason is usually hidden. Then you can place your own and access things.

>>529232487
This is one of the many reasons why gear treadmills are fucking retarded. Never ever do a fucking gear treadmill in your game. You don't need it, all it does is make you think you're adding content to your game when you aren't. It tricks you, lulls you into a false sense of accomplishment.

What actually matters are mechanical in nature. A drillshot works different from a diffuser works different from a sword. This introduces gameplay complexity and creates dynamic, emergent, and fun combinations. This is good design.

Number go up to bigger number does not do this. It's fake content. If you spend 5 months making 30 "new" guns and they're just drillshot+1, diffuser+1, sword +1; you haven't actually made any content, you've wasted your fucking time. Gear treadmill number go up is bad design.

If you need progression in your game, then tie it to unlocking versatility - you get sword first, then drillshot, then diffuser, then bike, then buggy, then thopter, then anti air rockets, then tank, then - etc. (even better, let players choose what they unlock next) Each time you progress, it's meaningful. You get new gameplay mechanics to play with and rather than becoming overpowered you just become more adaptable than a newer player, it's an advantage but you're still on even footing with a 1 day old guy if you're both fighting with swords. Or at least, that's how it should be if the game is designed well.

It's not like this kind of knowledge is unknown. We've had 30 years of MMO's drilling it into developer's heads to stay the fuck away from gear treadmills, and yet they still fucking do it every goddamn time.