Thread 529085159

The Wheel has turned once again

Carrion Woods edition

Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 3400 units, 1100 spells and 400 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them. It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

>Our pastebin (extremely outdated)
https://pastebin.com/wjbSA98Y

>Steamgroup
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Multiplayer guide
>Blitzserver (game hosting service)
https://blitzserver.net
(Dom 6)
https://beta.blitzserver.net/games
>Llamaserver:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1212948582

>Documentation
https://illwinter.com/dom6/docs.html

>Tools
>Mod inspector
https://larzm42.github.io/dom6inspector/
>Wiki
https://illwiki.com/
>Pretender calculator
https://zollqir.github.io/pretenders-dom6/
https://caleb-distributive.github.io/pretenders-dom6/ (website down?)
>Debug mod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3083231618
>Communion fatigue calculator (still dom5)
https://instacalc.com/53495
>Automatically prevent starts in all provinces with less than X connections (still dom5)
https://nixx.is-fantabulo.us/dom5ranmapnos/

>How do I change the fonts?
Replace guifont.ttf, guifont_fancy.ttf and guifont_texty.ttf in the game's 'data' folder (C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Dominions6\data)

>Fan art
https://thronebooru.booru.org

>Sloop’s Comfy Balance Mod
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zeDyK8Zb_p4lIJ0yp3a3ikMprRkmBCWvy31_4jBen3Q/edit?usp=sharing

Previous Turn of the Wheel
>>527817651

Was a kewl final battle my scouts managed to witness.
https://files.catbox.moe/wfs477.mp4

>>529085159 (OP)
Gear?

>>529087954
No, those are natty gains.

Is flying ever a good bless?

>>529089815
If you have S access it turns shrouds into cheap mobility items

>>529087807
muspel/niefel giants are op
please make them cost 3 sacred instead of just 2.

>>529090814
The fundamental problem with shrouds is that 5 pearls is not cheap.

>>529091703
Oh nigga please as opposed to what 10 air gems for some boots? 5 gems is the cheapest item you can get basegame

>>529091939
Boots are worth 10 gems because you can use them to fly commanders between bases repeatedly. A shroud is permanently stuck to one commander.

When a flying unit attacks a mounted unit, does it still have to obey the standard reach formula to hit the rider?

>>529091939
You use pearls for fucking everything, though. You need them for items, for rituals, for battle magic. Astral bias in this game is extremely real and one pearl is probably worth at least 2 of anything else for most nations.

>>529095394
Astral is alright if you want to cast blink or forge thug items but water gems are the real ruler of this game.

>>529095996
Really makes you think.

>>529096819
Crannog Ys in November?

>>529099981
it is beyond illwinter's abilities, we are looking at a 2026 release

Dust to dust

bro is overdosing on mage support in world peace

>>529110371
Let me guess: you need more?

>>529088552
kek

Stygian Rains

Procession of the Underworld

Any new games recruiting?

>>529132405
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Can it bet stopped?

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>>529133657
Are there nations that are stronger in vanilla than in sloops

>>529135308
yes, relative to other nations, because the favoritism in slops is undeniable.

>>529135651
What favoritism is there in sloops?

>>529135702
He DARES to buff the worse nations in his balance mod

>>529133213
fucking moose goblins

>>529135702
to create a fair balance mod for dominions one must master all nations in the game and adjust them accordingly. fact. this is undeniable.
without this, an attempt at balancing the game is futile and when faced with the choice between a skewed unbalanced mod or unbalanced vanilla, the choice is obvious.
alas, slops doesnt even play the game to begin with.

>>529135895
It mainly just touches on the vanilla spells tho

>>529135895
Sloops might not balanced but vanilla sure as fuck isn't either, I just like that more tendies are useful and the starter armies are unshittified.

Keep in mind that this retard admitted he hates sloops because he "doesn't want to learn the game a second time"

the hubris to even think you could even remotely "balance" dominions when youre not even playing the game is most incredible

>>529136221
Ah, but you see, I am a second antislopper and I attack it on eschatological grounds because I don't want to detract from true canonical ascension of my tendie

I'm anti sloop only because sometimes I actually want to play a bad nation.
Can't have slops tuning up my shitter nations like Jomon or Berytos

>>529137320
How is Berytos bad? They have sailing and elephants

Since research happens before battles, does that mean a mage scripted to cast spells may use the newly researched spells?

>>529137804
You can't script them obviously but they will cast them off script yes

>>529137465
Their scales troops are garbage. Elephants have too many weaknesses to rely on in even a first war. but they can just about get you through expansion. Their sacreds are just ok. If they don't get a wasteland to make a lab on they never get access to their best feature the goat summons.
Sailing can make a difference on some maps, but they can't even sail with elephants or their sacreds anyway. Neither can their best mage sail. It's awkward as fuck to play.

>>529137979
Oh they can actually sail with their sacred troops now at least in 6, assuming you don't take larger bless, which is actually pretty good for them otherwise. Brides in waiting still cant sail though

>>529137465
>>529137320
its striking how often the sloopsfag is the player who doesn't understand the game, truly it is the preferred way for /domg/ veterans to play

When 'advance and cast spells' says 'the front' does it mean dead center of the battle field, or the farthest forward you could place troops? (0 vs 13 in)

>>529135702
Construction, earth path, forge bonus are blatant examples that have been brought up multiple times. Sloop has never addressed why an already strong school of magic needs shitloads of buffs in the area it's weak at while the area it's already strong gets no nerfs to keep it from being power creeped, despite being challenged on it multiple times.

He also terribly undercosts elemental damage blesses because he thinks dom6 is dom 5 and everyone is still running mass resist imprison rainbows, so when going into SCBM you have to make it a conscious point not to do any kind of strategy that struggles with magical sacreds because you have nonsensical stuff like non-incarnate death explosion in the mod.

What's the best unit that can come out of a Tartarian gate?

>>529136609
if shitwinter is god
then the best one can hope for is nonexistence after death

imagine the afterlife being designed by illwinter...
*SHUDDERS*

>>529144507
7 path titan with either magic phase phoenix pyre or a magic phase battlefield wipe would be my guess.

>>529144928
Just be buried with some AoE items

I just stole the Throne of Secrets from the Arco AI. Enjoy free graphs.

>>529140521
>const
>strong
>death explosion
>relevant ever
this is what sets domg veterans apart

>>529156456
Const is strong. Have you ever played a nation that didn't want it?
It's strong because its the tech/greed tree. Not because it wins you battles early on. Path and research boosters alone are huge in the long run. Just gotta know the right time to research it

>>529144507
Guy who gives your provinces away to MA Ermor

>>529156456
I get Death Explosion is a meme bless, but const contains so many goodies even if you're not thugging. Path boosters, mobility enhancers, spell penetration bonuses.

>>529159386
Most paths get you some spells or another, and which ones you get depend on what spells you need. Unfortunately construction is the ONLY path that gives you items, so if you want to do any strategy that requires items; thugging, supercombating, path boosting mages without wasting their turns on empowerment, you NEED Construction

>>529159386
>>529160056
*spams eles and kills you year 1*
okay what's your const 5 answer?

>>529156456
>construction
>not strong
>free non incarnate magic damage
>irrelevant
Discord veteran detected.

>>529160937
I guess hellbless is the only way to play the game because it'll reliably win its first war.

>>529160937
I would just not research const until my position felt safe enough to do so. Like when I'm nearing the end of my first war maybe and my neighbours look busy. You should only rush const research if you have at least a defensive titan to kit out or maybe fat thugs like ma phlegra. Even then I'd probably want some alt first.

The one singular path in the game that literally every single nation must research by lategame is bad, guys.

>>529160937
That's how the game works. You need to figure out what to research and when. Skip out on Evocation and you lack a reliable way to turn mages into killing power. Avoid Construction and your enemies will outscale you once they get their gem/blood economy running and the boosters start getting cranked out.

>strategy game player thinks the greed option is strong compared to the early game power option
true veterancy at play

>>529162475
>A path is only good if you want to research it from turn 1
What a shallow mind you have. Just tell us when was the last time you played mp and never researched const at all. Games where you went ai on turn 6 don't count.

>>529162728
>path le OP because it has... eventual utility!
this dude's dying to ulm

>>529162728
He's being intentionally disingenuous because he also knows construction is overtuned in SCBM.

>>529162475
>Research Alt 4
>Well, time to declare war on the rest of the world.

>>529162979
You gonna make an argument or is this going to be another episode of screaming fallacies for 2 hours straight like yesterday?

This guy really comes here and spams the dumbest takes while calling people domg veterans every time, huh?

when my nation has access to research boosters i immediately research construction to forge those to research everything else faster because the earlier you get those boosters the more powerful they are.

>>529164523
If you can get away with it why not? Probably even ideal on some hellbless nations

>>529161250
Vs domg vets this is 100% true.

>>529164523
If you nation has some combination of air, death, fire, glamour, earth then construction research basically pays for itself with boosters. 5 owl quills replicate construction 3's research cost in 12 turns. 2 skull mentors (also const 3 in SCBM) replicate construction 3's research cost in 13 turns.
If your nation has blood or wants to bootstrap blood then you are required to research construction for your blood economy to be efficient.
If your nation does communions then master matrices are one of the best ways to plug new paths into your communions and immediately access high path spells from said path.
If your nation has water then construction is how you get your non-amphibious mages to go underwater or leave the underwater.

So construction is basically bad if... You're mono-nature, and don't want thistle maces and messenger boots for some retarded reason. Also, I don't know what people mean about research rushing construction being bad. Awake researcher rushing scarlet dowsing rods is the best way to play hellbless lanka.

>>529166527
Soldiers of steel is pretty nice too

>>529167025
Yeah I didn't even get into the construction rituals, combat magic, or wanting to meet any path requirement over 4 without needing your god to do it for you.

I think it's bullshit that indies get to ignore gem use conditions.

>>529167865
Or temp gems, thugs, SCs, counter-thugs/SCs, assassins, reinvigoration, and mobility. Construction is meta-defining.

>I wonder what domg is up to today
>I hope it's more artposting
>it's samefag spam because someone doesn't like a mod
Bro, just host a vanilla game.

>>529169219
Grow up

>>529169219
Be the change you want to see

>>529169858
there's already one >>529133657

What is your favorite nation /domg/?

>>529171464
LA Pyth, MA Xibalba, EA Therodos

>>529171852
Good picks, all the different cults in LA Pyth really give it a lot of replayability, you’d have to be crazy to dislike the muuch, and Therodos has amazing theming.

Do you think archers need a buff?

>>529172168
Only to their aiming vs moving targets

>>529172349
>get a ton of xbows
>on their 2nd attack, they fire at the enemy, predicting where they 'will' be, a good 10 tiles ahead
>inadvertently obliterate your own army because it didn't take into account your own troops were literally two tiles away and would stop them

brilliant

>>529172168
Yes

Construction is strong because it lets you forge items, something no other path does
Same with blood for blood magic

>>529173456
Well I see blood as a tradeoff between the pain of blood hunting and the ease of having all their spells in one research school, and blood is only useful for nations with access to that path. Construction is essential for EVERYONE.

>>529156456
const 9 makes you basically unbeatable in a conventional battle if you get the horror harmonica first

>>529173721
Yeah pretty much
Globals are kinda weird since they're spread all over

>>529173456
Yep, it's basically a core game mechanic which is why it's fundamentally flawed for it to be one specific school. There should be rituals and combat spells to give yourself items in every school. Construction would just be the school that's the best at it. Imagine if every spell that kills enemies in the game were under evocations, and every spell that summons units in the game were in conjuration. That's the current state of Construction.

Pyrene here. I'm tired as shit after work and want to go to sleep. Blitzserver seems to be fucked though so I cant do my turn. I dont want to stale but it is what it is at this point.

Only thaumaturgy lets you do communions though :)

>>529177103
>sabbaths
>matrices
>theurgs

>>529176825
Thugs are shit enough compared to dom 5 without spreading all the items over multiple schools.

>>529177215
How does an evo 3 air 1 combat spell to equip yourself with a thunder whip nerf thugs?

>>529177580
Your plan is too vague, if you start splitting specific types of items into different research paths it makes it cost more research to adapt to situations.
Say the fire resist items are in enchant and cold res items are in alt. What happens if you need to adapt.
Now of course you'll say you wouldnt do that specifically, but if you move any items out of const you have to think about a shitload of balance implications.
Maybe you change it a different way where you just add basic items to other paths now the research opportunity cost of boosters becomes worse, and frankly boosters are fun so I dont want that either.

>>529178428
You don't have to split them up. The design space for equipment is big enough that you can duplicate them, like longdead summoning, without chewing into the use case for manually constructed equipment. Especially with things like temporary conjured equipment, or caster-bound ritual summoned equipment.

The basic issue is it's impossible to both utilize the full potential of the equipment mechanic and also have equipment acquisition be construction-exclusive without construction becoming overpowered. For example, it can be fine if construction remains the exclusive method to manufacture permanent, transferable equipment, but if people want more equipment in the game overall then it needs to start being sourced from other schools or mechanics as well.

Hell, I wouldn't even be against there being an item shop the same way you can buy mercs. Or national gold-purchased commander equipment (which would need to be to a much lower efficiency standard, obviously).

I'm pretty sure illwinter doesn't want to expand item use any further simply because items are one of the worst UI nightmares in the game and the more relevant they are the more people will complain for it to be updated/reworked.

>>529179181
Frankly I think youd end up doing more harm than good. You can dream I guess. I really don't have any major problems with how construction exists and its power levels anyway. It's not OP in a way that is grossly unfair to any particular nation that much imo.

>>529180078
By "how it exists" do you mean vanilla, or do you mean SCBM? Because SCBM clearly does not think construction is fine as is.

>>529136609
Ara is dis u

>>529180417
Always talkin bout vanil

>>529180830
We're not really in disagreement then. My point is that construction is already strong in vanilla, so if mods like SCBM want to encourage more item and thug use then they need to do something other than buff construction to get it. The examples I gave on how to do that were just that.

How many gems does a fully searched province in EA typically have? Is it less than 1 per turn?

>>529182728
Depends on the province type. I think even plains have more than 1 average in ea. Theres an info graph of all the prov types and their average income that gets posted here sometimes but I cant find it.

>>529178428
I think maybe construction should be demolished and items taken out of the research system entirely, make them have their own system separate from research, still tiered and gated, but not competing with research.

>>529183549
Making equipment its own tech tree would be justified but there's no way in hell Illwinter is doing that much work.

>>529182728
Thrones->wastes andd swamps->forests/mountains/caves>plains>farms

>>529185009
In a game now where I'm getting absolutely shafted and these may as well mean nothing.
Every mountain is somehow a farmland mountain mix that don't have E sites.
Every forest searched with Haruspex, nothing, somehow not single N site
But you know what, I have two Pestilence Wells literally adjacent to my cap that I had to spend 8 gems to even 'find' because I have no native D3 mages.

This may honestly be the most shafted I've ever been on gems in my life. Gonna do a big G search soon, and it better give me fuckin' SOMETHING. I BEG.

>>529182728
It's a completely random diceroll on how many you can get. And depends on how wide your magic-searching ability is. You might get a lot of glamour and death sites, but you'll get nothing if you don't have those paths.
>>529183529
>>529185009
Don't listen to these chuds, if you can site-search everything you should. Plains sometimes has 4 or even 5 magic sites for no reason in MA. Awake rainbow chads know this. Also Wastelands and Swamps are always nearly empty in my experience, they have 1 or 2 sites at most. Thrones are a good solid pick for site search and usually yield a decent amount of magic sites.
>>529188589
Bitter tears for those who lack awake rainbows.

>>529188589
>>529189107
That's just percentages of site generation bruh

>>529189198
It's all GACHA that is fucking random.

>>529189283
Nobody suggested you shouldnt search anywhere you can, but its nice to know when deciding where to search first with which paths you sperg

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I WILL GIVE MONEY FOR SERVER HOSTING

Just play T'ien and you won't have these site searching problems

>>529183529
The wiki has this, but it's outdated.

>>529190958
There's also the 'many sites' tag which is attached to thrones

>worried opponent is going to put their cav in a big line so they can just go around the center
>decide to put my dudes on sparse line formation just in case to guarantee intercepting
I'm going to regret this aren't i.

>>529192314
Just split your line into 3 groups, the main line and 2 attack rear catcher groups.

>>529191227
>just searched a fort province
>mage has 4 paths, one at 1, the rest all 2 or above
>no sites found

>>529194168
I have spoken the gospel of plains provinces. Search those above others because Plains provinces are the most numerous, therefore having the greatest chance of magic sites.

>>529194338
>fort province
My bad. I meant THRONE province. Level 2.

>>529194168
>all the magic sites present were outside the 4 magic paths you picked
Gacha'd. Should've picked an awake rainbow.

>>529164523
you should research something for your mages to cast in actual combat and also something for them to spend gems on you fucking nerd.

These mighty ai armies sure are mighty.

>>529201542
>cast darkness
>cast cat eyed warriors+
damn that ai army sure was tough

>>529201638
Well there are plenty of tools to deal with the blobs later on in the game but if you get rushed by multiple of them at once turn 15 you're in for a world of pain.

I don't like site searching with my rainbows because they're such good researchers.

>>529192314
I think sparse line is better for naked back line archers to avoid arrows themselves. Either put all your guys in a box with the commanders on the inside, or split them up like the other anon said with the flanks set on hold attack cav orders. If your men are lance fodder then keep them in one big squad so they don't start routing once they get shishkebabbed.

If you don't think you have to worry about arrows and magic and think your men can manage without maximum magic buffs, you could try putting your box formation at the front of the map so that the formation is still together as possible when foot combat starts.

>>529192314
>>529202871
Also more squads is better if you can feasibly manage it because the AI randomly selects squads to attack. Horses could get all the way around your army but they could still decide to attack into the side of the army rather than commanders that are wide open. There's a balance between amount of squads and larger, tougher squads that won't route upon contact.

Been having some cool wars in World_PEAce

1 more for diarrhea

>>529206437
>125 atavi archers got more kills than 43 valks

>>529209980
They were definitely friendly firing

>>529202871
Actually have a sizable archer portion for this army but I want to cast flaming arrows.
I know if I use a sparse line for them that '20+ aoe' is gonna hit a whopping four squares

>have the means to put the stop to the guy from winning the game
>would rather sit back and do nothing but sell items to others
I don't want to get involved but I kind want to as well

>>529218236
Ermor pls...

>>529188589
In the MA game that Ind won, as Caelum, I searched 17 provinces with Astral 3 mages and didn't find a single pearl site.

>>529224592
Peak comfiness

>>529224824
You get a better result out of using an S1 mage to just cast probe instead, unless you also want to get other path's gems. I found 2 sites with 2 income each from probing in a single province not on a throne. t.Ind

>>529228072
I didn't have any S1 mages, just the two High Seraphines that managed to not instantly die to bad luck. That was pretty wild. I lost 3 of my heroes before they got to do anything to bad events/unlucky retreat.
As an aside, I'm pretty sad you won the game before I got to meme with the Eagle King. I had a Copper Arm and Extra Arms on him and was working on outfitting him with all manner of bullshit, with the rider prophet packing some extra crap. He had 80+ HP in strong dominion and could probably pwn 50+ PD solo.

>>529229762
If you want to play with many hands just play kailasa line sacred summons. Conj7 gives Siddha with 2A3S 4 hands teleporting

>>529230313
How so?

>>529206437
That's a lot of sirens

>>529241843
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>>529248254
How many players?

>>529249670
as many as we can get, aiming to start around friday

>>529249907
K

>>529206437
cool,
but finish your turn your turn niggerelf

>give unit a bunch of orders for arena
>stands there and does nothing then dies

>>529256569
stage fright maybe

>>529256569
Did you send a mage to the peoples arena?
The one that makes your unit wear a slave collar to prevent spell casting.

>>529257815
yes

>>529258139
How come we never use cool custom maps?

>>529262421
They usually end up being a chore to finish because no wraparound and loads of chokepoints.
I have played a domg game on this map though in 5 and it went pretty good desu. The map also has sort of an inbuilt arena event but you can send armies. You need to control a province with a portal to get there though.
No idea if its been ported properly to 6 though.

I keep getting rushed by moose riders how do I counter them wtf.

>>529266521
Shields to stop arrows and just get them in melee.
Moose Riders aren't even very good. Who are you playing that would struggle against that?

>>529248254
Noob reporting in

>>529266818
Typical moose downplayer okay bro.

Is the fire fatigue damage from Heat from Hell clouds Armour Negating?
All fatigue damage is right?

>>529266521
Any of the fear spells, any of the confusion spells, maybe STR check control spells like earth grip/false fetters/tangle vines if binding the rider also keeps the mount in place, lightning bolt

>>529267435
They are just less cost efficient archers with more hp.
The only thing moose riders every get used for seriously is as a bait unit to attract enemy spells with their high hp and low defenses.
Are you playing Jomon? Because that might explain the problem.

>>529267893
Also in terms of troops, elfy attack/defense swordsmen for repelling the moose or 20+ prot

>Minotaur goes berserk
>Get walloped by 28 damage halberds
>Dies
But you see the dog costs 10 more recruitment points :)

>>529268198
Dogs are borderline op, but the minotaur can't trample them, and thats what you are paying extra for with the unit. Just use crossbows instead

>>529268009
they're stealthy, high map move and massable anyforests. they can be a serious pain in the ass to deal with before turn 15 or even 10
I have dealt with early camel riders raids by Na'Ba in a previous game here which are very similar units (excluding the bird) and they basically crippled my entire game by both raiding all my farmlands and diverting my attention, right at the moment I needed gold the most to setup scelerian infrastructure

>>529268821
Yeah there's probably other good use cases for them, but frankly if Vaetti is putting that many gold/resources into moose over their other units I'd be happy. Their whole lineup is stealthy too anyway and the wolf riders have the same map move and more use cases imo.

>>529268198
Dogs are the best nation in the game rn

>>529268198
The senatorial guard is better but defining this through the two units' ability to trade blows is not the right way to look at it. The minotaur is a bruiser that tramples chaff and breaks high defense units, all of which will ideally struggle against 20 prot. Sending it against elite formation fighters with 2-handers and more gold cost per square is a predictable loss.

>>529267013
based noob
learn from the elites, not from the sloptards

>>529269104
I'm guessing the advantage is moose riders will not really take attrition when massed whereas wolf riders will. either way the right way to look at them imo is as a strategic tool rather than actual units

Do flying units have a greater chance to hit mounted units and not the mount when they are flying in for their first attack? I'm not sure if I dreamt up this fact or not.

>>529270703
The moose also has the disadvantage of being harder to buff due to 1 per square, especially if you are doing archer buffs, so in a big battle your money would be better spent on unmounted archers/crossbows if you are going to do that.

Reminder to stay in peak physical condition for optimal dominions play.

>>529139734
They will run forward while casting spells and stop about 5 tiles away from the target. They will never stop advancing. If they run out of spell targets, they'll start punching enemies. So yeah they'll go as far as the opposite edge of the battlefield

>>529281624
I pop in a zyn and down a monster before each and every turn

>>529284794
white monster, 2 chicken breasts, and a 2 hour full body workout before every turn

>it's another "indie archers all fire rear on the priest expansion leader" episode
>and another "5 heavy inf rush to my priest after mostly wrapping around the sacreds" rerun after that
How do you anons reliably protect your expansion priests if they're just dudes in robes? I don't want to bring more sacreds than needed just to protect the priest, but it's annoyingly unreliable if the priest isn't as durable as the units they're leading.

does stuff like fires from afar work on armies inside castles? I know it says its used to "harass defenders of a castle" but idk if that means something like a patrolling force. I thought stuff inside forts was relatively safe

>>529286453
This is probably a good situation for making a prophet of a commander with armor and shield (or whatever you have that is tankier than an old man in robes) and sending him out to lead your expansion party

>>529286453
>put commander at the back
>put troops at the front
Archers don't have enough range to snipe your commander.
As for the other issue, that only happens if you're heavily outnumbered. Use line formation, or bring some extra chaff to cover the flanks.

>>529268198
domg veteran insights

>>529287313
That's what they get for not putting the priest a single tile farther back.
Longdead have less HP, putting the priest in with the longdead bumps that squares hp to 20 instead of 15, and he's got no armour
instantly gets chosen as the tile to attack by an archer.

>>529287118
That works for the first party. I'm worried about the next 4 expansion parties, which are 1 priest leading 6-12 sacreds.
>>529287160
>Archers don't have enough range to snipe your commander
I've tried putting my priest and sacreds in the top back corner and these indies will still walk forward to target him over the troops when they feel like it.
>if you're heavily outnumbered
Being outnumbered is the ideal if 1-2 turns recruitment of my roided out sacreds can deal with 10 times their numbers. The problem is I'm not MA Mari or LA Ulm whose priest leaders are souped up heavy cav themselves, so it's harder to keep my priests reliably alive and untargeted than it is for my guys to actually kill the indies.

>>529287313
And as you can see, either those troops aren't in the front, or that priest isn't in the back.

>>529288595
at that point then it might be worth thinking about a bless like barkskin or a build to help research construction for shields

>>529288595
Everything is trade offs. If you're going for few, hell blessed sacreds, then just avoid provinces that have archers. Or tone the hellbless down so you can afford some more troops.

zotz gf

>>529301708
Sorry man this is all we had left. I hope she will make you happy.

>3v1'ing
That kind of bullying breaks my heart.

>>529303842
leglock with muuch maidens

>>529304424
That's what you get when your nation snowballs

>>529304565
but what if it was weak

Is Freak Lord the worst pretender?

>>529309954
Before mount changes for 6 you could do funny stuff with him. His twice born shape was big so he would reanimate into a big wight. Now I don't think it works that way in 6

>>529309954
I've won a game with him as shinuyama, but I only used him because I couldn't do anything with the 10 points I woulda saved if I hadn't used him.

>>529309954
Not even close.

>>529303842
tfw no muuch gf

>>529313382
Why would somebody ever use this over an awake fire dragon?

>>529314726
He's actually better in 6, since for many nations he's actually the cheapest unbearable splendor bless chassis fittingly enough.

>>529313382
sloop fixes it

>>529315267
he doesn't even get the benefit of the bless since he already has sight vengeance, and almost all of those nations have divine glyph, who's over 100 points cheaper than him
>but divine glyph can't expand
neither can solar disc

>>529309954
The monster birds and most of the gryphon like chassis are completely woeful.
Shit like Solar Eagle, Demon Macaw, Criosphinx.
The Raven of the Underworld was unuseable in 5 and they fucking nerfed him in 6 by hardcapping his only gimmick, corpse eating.
Freak Lord is cheap enough to be generically use able

>>529315709
DON'T
PLAY THAT MOD

>>529315874
He's better than the glyph at being a mid game high fire battlecaster with his mobility.
I'd probably take the glyph too for the savings, but I was just looking for a reason to use him over a fire dragon. I only know this about the disc because I was considering a dormant splendor build for Uruk (who doesnt get the glyph)

Is 4 heat scale ever a good idea?

>>529316749
Yeah you picked Abysia or Muspelheim. It's good on therodos too if the map is river heavy

>>529316749
Abysia, Muspel and that's it
The popkill is rough

>>529316920
isn’t muspelheim supposed to be hot capital, cold dominion?

>>529317276
I was just thinking bout firepower nations forgot they cant even get to 4. Ubar probably wouldnt mind it

>>529317547
Ubar still needs an economy, as I mentioned popkill from heat is super rough

>>529317726
Would be fun for a meme sultan bless build. Certainly not optimal

funger

>>529316318
this
t. knower

MA naba vs MA ermor
https://files.catbox.moe/lvgap8.webm

>>529323310
>no genies or giants
why did you say na’ba? ulm or marignon would fit a lot better

>>529323825
marignon is crossbowman and ulm has shit fire access

>>529314726
When you want a cheap imprisoned high fire path chassis that doesn't force you into sloth and has 40 map move for throne claiming.

>>529323310
Wouldn't it just be Aby

gnight domg

>>529336654
Heavy cav is such a meme

>>529257871
zots dindu nuffin

>>529356158
They stole the fuckin sun >:(

>>529323310
I need this movie name....

>>529363419
Army of Darkness?

Turn 35 Final_ReveLAtion
With one more AI, we will be 8/16 AI, a full 50%!
0 nations actually dead yet btw.

>>529368278
Out of those only Arco was unexplicable

>>529368278
Surprisingly resilient

>>529368278
going AI at the slightest downturn is our right as veterans

>>529309954
Not even close, my man. Not even close.

Reminder that the people posting about sloops being slop is all from a discord full of trannies and faggots

>>529377804
Did you just say DISCORD?

Imagine, combat caster on a unit that can actually use it.

>>529384470
I got these guys in a game once. They were pretty good.

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>>529368278
In a game where a neighbor attacked a neighbor
told me they're confident and going to win, say i'll keep out of it but watch as their pretender devastates the country side
they fight for a couple turns, before stalling three and then going ai, they never even lost their pretender

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>get to 10/10
>make map and refine it
>faggot leaves right when I finish

>>529389115
Out fucking skilled

>>529389115
So is it just normal mapnuke? The preview image made it look like we'd have continents and big rivers.

>>529389115
The original map looked like a fucking wreck but much more interesting than this new one.
If you care about balance, Dominions is the wrong game. Cool > balanced

>>529389115
Did you draw it?

>>529397869
Cool is better until someone gets stuck on the 4 province island and AIs turn 3. I do like the idea of an all land nation game with major water features though. UW nations are the worst thing about water on the map.

Is there no first place bonus in the tournament? So the top 2 are incentivized to just team up against everyone else in order to maximize their chance of advancing?

>>529389115
turn on commander renaming or I'll drop too

>>529399483
Am I missing something?

>>529399483
>>529400013
Oops

>>529397518
>>529397869
Niggers it's a temp map until I make the new one

>>529336654
What was the bless?

>>529321546
Are adventure sites even good? Feels like it should reward dedicating a thug but it feels like it's better to spam twist fate scouts instead.

>>529404080
Flip a coin and you die
Or you might get a little gold

>>529404080
it's not worth it even optimizing for it

>>529404080
Bane Lord can tank every trap short of the instakill ones.

>>529419414
Bane?

>>529419664
Was losing to 1 PD part of your plan?

>>529404080
They're bad until you get a turn 30 sword of aurgelmer or ring of wizardry from one.

Does half dead do enough to offset 3 death scales on Abysia?

>>529426156
Not really. I guess your sacreds will get fewer diseases and you could fight popkill nations a bit easier. But 95% of the time that won't matter at all. Even with death 3 on abysia your guys wont be starving most of the time, and youll send your guys out of your dominion to fight anyway

>>529389115
btw what happend to that game, it isn`t shown on the blitzserver anymore

>>529427365
It went unlisted for some reason, fixed.

>>529443467
Jokes on you. My army is 90% effigies of war.

>>529282041
I wish there was a way to reliably cast the touch spells. Hand of death is so cool but between all the various "advancce and cast", "(attack) (attack) cast", "(fly attack) cast" I haven't been able to make ti work reliably.

>>529443467
I wish there were more ways to fuck up dudes inside of forts besides assassins and remote attacks

>>529450521
BVC and preaching

>>529450521
stealthy commanders with bane venom charms

Just cast BoT bro

>>529451292
>>529453871
Do multiple stack?
five scouts with bvc sitting on a sieged fort?
also; do you disease your own troops in that same sieged province?

>>529140521
>you have nonsensical stuff like non-incarnate death explosion in the mod.
Someone's mad about dying to exploding bats

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

2x funny because it is better to have incarnate death explosion so you can go Dormant and use your sacred and non sacred together for early expansion without worrying about death explosion

Is dominions single player AI really that bad compared to dominions "died in turn 1" CPU? Or its more a case of "you will get bored real fast" kind of deal?

>>529472604
Compared to Elysium CPU* i had a brainfart

>>529389115
Cute space cat

>>529472604
The AI is okay but they will never be as cruel or as brilliant or uniquely retarded as a human opponent. The game truly shines in multiplayer, single player is fun don't get me wrong

speaking of uniquely retarded, I have to check my turns

Soccer anon, is there anyway to boost the domg anthem? It's always been pretty low compared to what other teams play

>>529476215
soon

any news?

>>529491998
I checked my turns today, oh boy
about draconians that made the grave
and though the news was rather sad
Well, I just had to laugh
I saw the replay on fast

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>>529472125
There's no reason to take a dormant death explosion when you can just take imprisoned FR death explosion.

>>529465701
The only non-incarnate magical damage bless in vanilla is Solar Weapons, and for good reason. Why not go ask Sloop to bring back dom5 Magic Weapons if you love unplayable ethereal and invulnerability so much.

>>529514027
Withering weapons technically count as well.

>>529491998
swedish


summer

>>529514027
Wdym by unplayable

>>529472604
The AI actually looks like a player and can be quite challenging for newbies. It'll definitely keep you busy for at least a few hours or even a few games, if you're particularly slow.
The problem is that the AI doesn't actually know how to play the game. It just presses buttons at random and mostly recruits hordes upon hordes of trash to throw at you. As soon as you learn how to use a few spells effectively or how to build a mildly effective thug, you'll wreck it and it'll never pose a challenge again, because it can't figure out what you're doing, let alone how to counter it.
Conquest of Elysium is a relatively much simpler game, so the same approach still lets the AI be a bit more of a fair opponent. Despite the tendency to get wrecked by deers turn 1.

>>529521574
Play dom 5 and you can find out.

>>529521574
Imprisoned stat/resist bless with magic weapons was THE meta build in dom 5.
I literally never saw anybody take the ethereal bless once in dom 5 because of it. I saw stygian skin maybe twice, and that only snuck in sometimes because it was relatively cheap.

I thought Relief would be so much cooler
targets all your units, every round, removing a single fatigue.
instead its 'randomly choose random units randomly to remove a random amount of fatigue in a DRN roll'

>>529523467
The cool part is when you mix it with rigor mortis

>>529523293
It also made mistform suck ass against players even more than usual.

Typical Xibalbrat L.

>>529466009
>tfw you just wanted to trade and be a friendly neighbor but someone decided they're too good for friendship and cupcakes

>>529530396
>went AI that quickly
>on MA xibalba of all things
embarrassing

sir why did you hiding the research charts from province magic site !! >>529494149
bloody threat is revealing itself ...

>>529512830
>There's no reason to take a dormant death explosion when you can just take imprisoned FR death explosion.
There is an obvious reason to take dormant over imprisoned, it kicks in faster. Are you retarded, anon

>>529535445
is MA Xib good?

>>529540524
Heavily map dependent. They can crush if they get a cave system or ocean to themselves, but they tend to get rolled over in first wars before their blood powers and death mages come online.
The more bullshit terrain on the map the better for them. They have flying amphibious swamp survival forest survival and dark vision.
Massed twiceborned camazotz can become real scary if they get rolling.

This is why you don't go AI when you're losing hard. You always have a chance to wreck your attacker.
Always be selling your skin as expensive as possible

>>529537682
thaks, i assumed ctis was the threat, with ist early well of missery. but for it to be nummer 3 in research is a suprise.

How much do scales actually matter in spells like Heat from Hell in DOM6?
Am I wasting my gems casting it in a province with any cold scales?

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>>529555434
More so since you can get max scales higher

>>529555434
If its your main strat to win the battle then I'd do it.
At least for big battles

>>529558609
>>529556718
did a quick test game, and even in a Cold2 province it seemed to make at least 50% of the enemies have ~50 fatigue by turn 10ish so still seems worth it

Rest In Piece, goats. You fought pretty well.
Love, birds.

>>529568650
>irish triple mommy has no art

>>529569637
How? Caelum seems to be a poor matchup for them

>>529535445
If you think that's wild, for some fucking reason BOTH Ys and Ryleh have already gone AI. You'd think that one of them has surely dominated the other, but no. Both are alive and fine and also AI. Utterly inexplicable behavior.

>can't patrol away assassins during a siege
Ayyiee...

>>529577264
Ys got bounced off the cap twice by AI then just went AI himself

bump

>>529583618
>anon 1 is beating anon 2
>anon 2 goes AI
>the AI beats anon 1
I'm getting deja vu >>527935784
just how many domg veterans has the AI converted?

>>529601145
To be fair to me I did not know how much pain those Einheres could dish out. I also should not have picked LA abys because I am terrible at blood management.

Mind Cunt

Acid Rain

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Is putting black heart with amulet of doppelganger and effective strat

>>529640781
Kinda depends what the base assassin is.
Using both the trinket slots for those items prevents him holding a bottle of living water which is pretty huge in assassin battles.
If its a mage assassin then you could get away with it.

>drain3 only grants +1MR
when the fuck did this happen?

>>529645237
it was always 0,5 mr for each drain scale

>>529647795
I guess I was confused because everything rounds down so 3M gave -2MR

I hate undisciplined pd. PD in general needs a rework

>>529661154
>undisciplined pd
I meant population types. I hate defeating a ton of tribe people to just then have shitty tribe population. At least militia can be put into a formation.

>>529661331
Undisciplined archers are fine.

i employ women, i give them important jobs and roles, and i am constantly disappointed...

>>529540981
that's ea Xilbab as well. That's all versions of Xilbab. Its a late-game mage nation, blood and death spam. They get a cave on the other side of the map, they do not intereact with anyone for 1-2 years and then they invade like a bootleg Ermor

>>529670008
what seperates a good Xilbab player from an average Xilbab player is how they handle any scenario that ISN'T in their favor. What if you CAN'T turtle for 2 years?

>>529670008
I feel like MA xib requires more finesse strategy wise. They dont just hold out until they can slam the ozelotl button, and muuch make water provinces more important.
MA xib also cant rely anywhere near as much on a fat bless. The big muuch are good but you need some scales to actually recruit them and they are in an awkward position power wise for actually making use of a big bless.

BLITZMIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNN

I like Kappas :)

>>529670008
LA Xib is just EA Xib without the national global enchantment (and with like one muuch unit but who cares)

>>529684551
Why do they have the head of a middle aged man? Is the bald spot where they keep their bowl?

>>529687686
didn't notice too much of the details underwater. deleting this just in case...

>>529687686
They were based on this guy

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vine ogre bump

scripting for an invasion into a drain heavy dominion when you're a mage reliant nation is such a bitch
every single mage needs an extra gem just to not instantly fatigue out on the large spells from the extra 30% fatigue cost.
retardedly gem expensive.

>>529694957
your map isn't downloading

>>529706980
Doesn't the game have to start for you to download the map?

>>529707271
Activate eyes

>>529707506
Oh that's on Blitz's end not mine. Try downloading any other map and see.

>>529707689
well if i can't dl your map, how do i play in your game?

>>529708013
It will automatically download when the game starts

>>529708013
Have you placed direct connect before? The game client downloads all the files you need directly.

Is undead affected by fatigue?

>>529710946
Do the mods download automatically? How do I design my pretender then, connect, disconnect, design it, then connect again?

>>529713047
no.

>>529710946
I haven't played since dom 5
any way, i joined

>>529714127
Design your pretender first and make sure password lock them. Connect and select your pretender to sign up.

>>529714706
i thought the mods adjusted the price on / added new pretenders

I can't decide which is best, i settled on this version for EA Rus

>>529719461
But I thought about maybe taking it awake

not sure which scale to dump, order or growth

>>529719662
last i thought it would be great with blood bond, not sure which secondary path to take but its scales are attrocious and all its blesses are incarnate only, so imprisoned won't work.

>>529719818
oops forgot pic
blood bond is nice cause it spreads the damage around for regeneration and i think it triggers berserk, but i think fortitude is proc before blood bond triggers.

>>529720109
I also tried to recreate my rainbow bless for tien-chi but its harder with less bless points and more expensive stat buffs.

I kind of went minor rainbow resist with blur instead of def buffs and relying on blood bond and righteous fury for attack and strength. I usually take spirit sight because it counters so many things plus you get darkvision which helps a lot if you cast darkness, utterdark, fight in caves or underwater, ect.

>>529720523
dammit

>>529720931
All your summons have spirit sight. I would try to never take imprisoned because you need to have 3E early and grab some hammers for your elementals to forge the sword and armor for cheap. Plus you need to do a lot of site searching for E early.

>>529721945
MA Tien-Chi summons are terrible, and not taking imprisoned defeats the purpose of a rainbow bless. A rainbow bless is a general stat / resistance bless that is still active on your sacreds while your pretender is not incarnate.

>>529721945
also isn't 3E really easy to get with earth boots and your starting mages?

Sloop please merge the gemburn mod, and the trusty research mod, and LTGG, and update better casting AI

>>529723017
Ah i thought this was EA Tc since you were responding to EA Rus

>>529713047
>>529714312
Technically yes because they can still fatigue out by casting spells.

>>529725951
wait, so you could technically fatigue them until they are unconscious?

Just discovered so many magic sites in a border province I'm worried it might start a whole war
This must be what if feels like discovering oil as a small developing nation

>>529727029
yes, any 100+ fatigue spell takes them unconscious like anyone else
some spells should work as well, such as elf shot, but things like sleep or torpor wont
actually, do curse of stones and heat/cold from hell affect them?

If both sides hold and attack, will 30 range spells reach the enemy front line after 2 casting rounds?

>>529729254
depends on where you position your mages and troops.

>>529729753
So they would cast what I scripted if I place them at the front? They wouldn't cast random bullshit?

>>529729254
>>529729753
this
a big part is reading your opponent and guessing where THEY will put their shit.
if both go max range, with 10mv troops they will not be in range by turn 5
if either is placed up front, then they will be in range by turn 5

>>529730223
So if I place at the front, but the enemy places in the back, what do?

>>529730554
greed a spell in the 5th slot with a 4th (attack), or stop the script at the 4th slot and pray the ai picks the spell you want after advancing

>>529731847
In my experience, mages don't listen to the attack command if they're on advance and cast spells. They just proceed to cast whatever while standing in place.

>>529636735
>Random research
>Individually researched level 9s
Turn this shit off dude.

>>529737201
seconded.

hello?

>>529750075
Fires From Afar

>summons the bitch queen into your farmlands
>every turn
pay up faggot or get the knot

>>529756603
Bitch Queen has the female tag - no penis - unlike you, who will never be a woman.

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>>529760628
anon, I got bad news
that's a sloop-made image

Shadow Bolt

Only now realizing that scripting isn't 'the first five turns', it's 'the first five things'.
Dunno how I never realized that a mage scripted to fatigue out on turn 1 from some huge spell still eventually casts what you tell them to in the second slot once their fatigue goes back <100

>>529760628
Thanks anon

bump

>>529760628
TURN OFF INDIVIDUALLY RESEARCHED LEVEL 9S!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YOOOOOOU

>>529793381
done because you asked so nicely

dead game

I can tell from this that the map sucks. Make something interesting. Look how quickly people joined when there was that first cool map with huge rivers. The fuck is this block of land with a bit of spittle

Retard mages casting barkskin on my own troops when heat from hell is active
why is the ai so absolutely fucking retarded

>>529817525
is this real

>>529818598
Most provinces in the world are simply land, inhabited by people. The player nations aren't special: they're simply also one random region inhabited by a random folk. Their population happens to be approached by something claiming to be the next biggest thing and they all go apeshit. Sometimes it's something fancy that could justify a degree of that madness, but other times it's literally an old frail man claiming he's got the best ideas, the biggest plans.
The playable nations are fanatics who've gone off the deep end. They're the opposite of smart, rational, thinking people. Notice how every unit and commander has a shitload of stats, but no one has an Intelligence stat.
Of course they're going to make the most retarded decisions.
>THE AIR IS ON FIRE
>I'M GONNA CAST BARKSKIN
>GOOD IDEA, GOD WILL PROTECT US
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>529684551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFYfjdRwCOo&list=RDkFYfjdRwCOo&start_radio=1

>>529793498
Turn it back on please, because it's as vanilla as it gets and strategic decisions are nice.

>>529822692
done because you asked more nicely than the other anon and because i agree

>>529817957
Oh cry about you little bitch. Beggars can't be fucking choosers.

>>529817957
Wtf when was this posted? I'll join.

>>529827986
Started a couple hours ago

>>529817957
Anal Seepage looked cool but it's probably for the best that Fomoria didn't get a bunch of water with no UW nation to contest it.

>>529828424
Gay

>>529827986
Yeah this shit needs to be reposted more, I would have joined aswell

I'll need an extendo in Final_Revelation & World_Peace, like 48 hours.

Stop running away you fucking skeletal pussy

>>529841010
A pussy is entirely made up of flesh. Skeletons do not have pussies.

Wait, I'm actually good at this game?

>>529819927
Going over the battle, a bunch of mages didn't even target themselves with the buffs I actually scripted instead opting for the troops with more total hp
I still won pretty handily, but losing a half dozen mages because the fuckers didn't target themselves with Luck/Body Ethereal sucks. luckily none were cap only. Kinda wish the game went by square total gold cost instead of hp.

I keep trying to be clever with my mage scripting, but at this point I'm ready to just unga-bunga my mages with a fire jar, have them cast fire elemental, then run.

Gnight domg

Burden of Time

My name is xandorious xantorok and I love Xibalba

Dust to dust

My name is Nigel Niggle and I love Nidavangr

My name is Cuckalio Cumguzzlio and I love Caelum

Stand firm against the gacha hordes/domg/

Horde of skeletons

>kitted out assassin attacks
>swarm x 3

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>captcha 0MGD2

>>529901642
It's not about winning, it's about making sure nobody else has fun. :)

Are golem thugs still the kings in late game?

>>529905061
Thugs in general got a nerf, but if you're gonna do it then yeah.

>>529840852
Will extend the games

>>529902495
>implying rip and tear'ing through endless hordes isn't fun

Feels diarrhea man

>>529914908
Enjoy your useless lands that'll starve anyone that passes through.

>>529915861
>being this terrified of bones
Tien Chi detected

>>529918173
DO YOUR FUCKING TURN

>>529915743
As a misfortune scale enjoyer I am immunized to such things. I've had Foul Spawn hordes spawn on my cap on turn 10, and I don't care.

>>529901385
Felt like joining as Ulm (even got a RP gimmick) but then i remembered I don't want to spend every turn making 20 random items...

or do I?

>>529915743
It could be worse. I got 40 unrest during expansion and then two 0 tax events as the game went on.

>>529924828
Who needs items?
Just spam Black Knights and throw them at the nearest person in a line formation.
Most other nations can't even penetrate 23prot early. Rush Const4 for Soldiers of Steel to turn them to 26prot and your opponent better have some AP or MR hitting magic ready or it's over.

>>529911616
Actually nevermind don't need it sorry.

>>529924828
you joining or what? im about to start

>>529926849
Just start, I'll see about the next one.

MAde_in_sweden is starting!
good luck and have fun, kings

>>529929517
I took misfortune scales and you can't make me have fun! Fuck you!

Thanks for hosting

my name is jockington "the jockblocker" jorkoff and my favorite naction is jotunheim

We could get like 5 turns in a day if ermor wasn't so fucking slow

>>529942337
>160 commanders
Fucks sake give me a moment, I'm on it

>>529942337
I wouldn't be talking all that trash while he's got 2000 units sitting like 3 provinces away from your cap, breh

>>529942530
His only threatening units are his mages his undead are a joke

>>529942664
That's a lotta skellingtons to chew through before you can get to the mages

>ermor takes half the map
>every other nation just sits there

>>529950361
I got my own shit going on, why can't you queers deal with your skeleton problems yourselves?

>>529951261
I have pure dogshit priests so I'm fucked enjoy the bone zone

>>529950361
>tfw poor Ermor just wanted to trade and is stuck fighting one defensive war after another because people can't enjoy wares and services in peace
Y'all suck at business

>>529951479
Using priests against skelespam is a fucking meme
Cast ravenous swarm and fireballs at him

>Opponent orders trapped, isolated commander with items to 'retreat' so they're killed off screen and the invader doesn't get their items
That's some real bitch shit, I wanted those items

>Agartha got wrecked by C'tis AI trying to take the snake capital
>again

>>529953495
Even the AI does dishonest skelespam
Absolutely shameful

>5th turn of the day for the same game
Pankoman's blessing be upon you nerds

>>529957321
What turn you on

>>529962087
48

Rain of Stones

still chuckling over this post from yesterday

>>529976326
It says June 18th in the image though.

>>529979361
>tfw yesterday was two weeks ago
Burden of Time, no!

>>529992426
Sorry anon, the usual suspects don't have Dispel ready. I'm afraid you'll just have to deal with it.

Two worlds collide, on the inside

Earthquake

What spells do you cast that you feel like you've really Turned The Corner (tm) in the game?
For me personally it's Thunder Strike. I don't know what it is about TS but it always feels like I'm starting to make shit happen when I hit Evo 4 and start casting it.

>>530008743
It depends I guess. Getting Fireball/Thunderstrike to make mages actually matter in fights, then later the big battlefield enchantment(s) (foul vapors/rigor mortis/field of fire etc).
Really though, what makes me feel good is having over 1000 in income every turn while still recruiting a mage in every fort.

Death Globes

NIDAVANGR DO TURN

Skeletal body

New games?

Shadow Servant

>>530008743
All the really path defining ones, like Falling Fires, Horde of Skeletons, ect. Battlefield wipes are also a big moment for me.

I progress in general, ie things like researching, considered slower in dom6 than in dom5?
>>530015820
Always feel nervous with things like that, for most mages being even 10 tiles away is enough to make fireballs deviate a tile when front lines are fighting.
Nothing like nuking your early army because you brought along an old F3 mage with 8prec

NIGGERVANGRAAAAAAAAAAAA

>guy staling on turn 1
certified domg moment

>>530053784
top jej

MAde_in_sweden restarting because niggervangr missed the first turn!
good luck and have fun, kings

>>530058626
What? If he can't even show up for the first turn he's a definite fucking staler.

>>530058783
yeah i removed him

>>530058890
Oh I thought you restarted for his benefit nvm

>>530054567
I kneel before a Veteran so experienced, he saw his capcircle and knew he'd won the game. No point in playing it out.

>>530054567
Joke's on you, Diarrhea's staler waited for turn 2.

My last capcircle was better ngl

>>530061407
If DiarrhEA's host restarts due to this, please leave the lobby up for a couple hours so I can slot in.

>>530063921
I'm not gonna restart I'm just gonna turn his ass AI if he doesn't do a turn 2

>>530064587
>leaving an AI in at turn 2
Just restart and let that guy in

>>530065108
I'll restart if he stales again then. Fucking xibalbafags.

Is Ether Gate + 2 casts of the Summon worth the cost of entry? That's a shitload of astral gems for like, what, 30 ethereal dudes?

>>530066813
They're pretty good dudes

>>530067604
>15 mr/morale
I dunno, man...
I could like, cast mind hunts or something with those gems.

>>530065465
So you’re not restarting. Someone evaporated on TURN ONE—just disappeared like a fart in the wind—and you want to “keep going”? Like this is normal? Like we didn’t just witness the single most destabilizing geopolitical event in the history of digital warfare?
This is a betrayal of balance. A crime against symmetry. And now, you’ve declared war on me, personally.
Do you understand what you've done? You’ve left a gaping, twitching hole in the heart of the map—a lawless vacuum, a gift-wrapped power zone, and you expect me to sit quietly while someone else strolls in? No. No, no, no. I won't be complicit in this farce.
You have awoken something ancient. Something vile. You’ve broken the social contract. You’ve spat in the face of the sacred balance. And now I must become the consequence.
I am not a player anymore. I am the natural disaster the game forgot to code. I am the final win condition. I am every unclaimed province screaming in existential terror.
I will retaliate, not with rage, but with pure, surgical calculation. I will metastasize across the map like a beautiful plague. I will befriend my enemies, betray my allies, and sacrifice entire armies just to corner a single unit of yours. I will flood the chat with peace offers while simultaneously engineering seven layers of betrayal. You won’t even realize you’ve already lost until three turns after checkmate. And by then? It’ll be too late.
So go ahead. Don’t restart. Let this monstrosity play out. Let the lucky neighbor sip their free wine and expand like a bloated tick. Just know this:

Every pixel gained is blood in the water.
And I am the shark.
Reading The Art of War. Backwards. In Latin.

You started a game.
I will end a legacy.

Your move, host.

>>530065465
>I'll restart if he stales again
That's reasonable for me, thanks.

productivity scales are mandatory on ys right?

>>530074659
What matters is that you rush your weakest land neighbor with your invincible cav before it becomes vincible cav in the midgame. You have to eat someone before Ryleh finds you or you fucking die. If you need more money to accomplish that then so be it.

my restart is shit
fuck nidders

>>530084393
turn shit into gold

kill all zots

>>530065465
>>530064587
I also don't mind a restart. Losing 2 turns isn't a big deal and it'll improve the game quality long term.

>>530095312
He did his turn so no restart.

>>530074659
yes, depending on how many sea provinces are in your cap circle you could be extremely gated on your sacreds without running two hammers

>>530101757
That works too.

>>530091580
kiss all zots

>>530066813
They're good if you're swimming in astral by midgame and need a solid elite force but by lategame it's better to focus on gearing up golems. Can theoretically break you into air and blood but don't rely on it.

Does anyone want to blitz?

>>530122541
https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/643#status
Fuck it get in nerds

>>530122812
Started

>>530122812
Remember to gang up on blitzmin everyone

>>530126814
Whomst?

>>530091580
they dindu nuffin

>>529384470
Imagine combat caster actually did anything

Hand of death

LA TC - hellbless or scales?

>>530158169
As good scales as you can afford, but you may want to have an awake xpander. You can just run over people in sheer cav.

>>530161962
Are the AVs worth a bless?

>>530162582
Nah but they're still worth the gold

Are air or earth eles the best on land?

>>530169161
Earth suck. Air or water are best.

>>530169161
All eles are garbage in dom6.

>>530169746
Why does earth suck?

>>530171265
Poor combat stats and short range fists lets them easily get mobbed.

>>530172349
They trample, no?

>>530172747
Yeah but anything bigger they struggle

>>530172747
I found that any units they pass by can take potshots at them and wear them down. Since Eles get worse the more damage they take a few good hits really neuters them.

>>530172747
Yes which makes them good against filthy elves

Lads, I started the game three days ago and it rubs my autism just right. I played as the plant-zombies of Asphodel and only later realized they suck because they have bad forts; apparently you're supposed to use a spell to 'grow' forts instead... And I played as the bug guy, but he died a lot. I thought his death move would make him hard to kill in large-scale battles, but it seemed like the enemies just casted banishment spells on the summoned insects and got rid of him easily.

Anyway my question about that play-through; the black centaur guys are okay spellcasters but also good fighters. How do I know when I should tell them to cast spells and when to tell them to just fight? It looked like if they're on 'cast spells' mode they just pointlessly spam Blessing over and over. (It's probably my fault that my Blessing effects were kinda shit but I don't know what to pick). Isn't there a way to make them fight, but also cast spells when it's a critical moment?

And finally I'm used to Total War, where you throw away your weak undead guys to tire the enemies out, then fight them with your real troops. I thought that was what Asphodel's archetype was trying to do, but it didn't really work. If I put my black minotaurs at the back, they just rout once the chaff is all gone. If I put them toward the front, they run out ahead of everything and die. Do undead unit deaths count toward 'army loss' morale penalty for living units in this game?

>>530179289
Undead leaders are notorious pussies and will run away when they see a good chunk of their undead die and leave the rest to desintegrate.

Man's one of those nations that's really good early game then shits itself late game, right?

>>530179289
The thing about Dominions is combat and spells are relatively lethal so sustained battles aren't really a thing unless you're a nation that can shit out a ton of chaff continually like death or nature nations. Invest in dudes that can hit hard in the early game since you'll be mainly fighting indies and small armies rather than doomstacks during expansion

>>530179289
>throw away your weak undead guys to tire the enemies out
Yeah you do this, but even on a greater scale. You bring 5 disposable manikins for any 1 unit the enemy has, maybe more if they are a known strong unit. That's what freespawn is all about. You add mages to your army and buff the weak troops so that they don't attrit too many. Then later on in the mid game you send single geared goats in to solo entire armies.
In total war terms, 4 shit 20 stack armies vs 1 army, and later on one man army.

>>530180514
Mans just good all around IMO. Those knights of avalon don't really fall off and their path variety is pretty good.

>>530179289
One thing worth noting about Asphodel, though you wouldn't realize since you are new, is that their grown fort strategy is probably the most effecient method of fortspam in the game, as you effectively build full labed, templed fortresses for 1 turn of casting time, 600 gold, and 45 nature gems, something Asphodel gets in spades since each temple is +1 nature gem. This, combined with Asphodel not paying salaries for the undead swarms and their best mage being offcap, means they can output a tremendous amount of mages, with the only restriction being money, and they can convert their best mages to undead later via twiceborn rituals.

Army wise Asphodel starts off just throwing massive hordes of chaff at everything that moves, and like most nations wants to evolve to more complex strategies in the midgame. Being almost entirely undead, a fully dead army of Asphodel can cast spells like Rigor Mortis or Foul Vapors without fearing it will kill their own units, while those spells will fully exterminate any non undead non poison resistant army they come across, allowing the chaff to just hold up the army until the enemy collapses. Asphodel also has great thugging potential (sending a single kitted hero unit to either solo clear provinces or help beef up an army. You want to use pans for this, use the living ones to avoid Dust to Dust spam. Overall though Asphodel is a fairly complicated nation to learn dominions on, since its a half living half dead nation with a ton of unique national spells and strategies. I'd recommend something simpler like Abyisa, Middle Age Ulm, or if you want to continue being undead, try Ermor.

>>530183316
Yeah Rituals and kitting heroes are the parts I can't wrap my head around so far. I'd love to figure out how to expand more effectively without needing to bring a whole army.

So with these forts are you supposed to build them right by eachother, since the admin% is so low? In my first game I had spread them out, especially away from the capital.

I started playing LA Atlantis, it's really good. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with the Dom4 pretenders though? Like which rituals are good, which items to craft? I feel like the dom1 little guys are more my style.

>>530180514
Say that to my Unicorns face

How do I get mileage out of my units as a giant nation in the late game?

>>530188892
>late game
You already lost, just get raped by human mages o algo

>>530182813
I'd argue their base mages suck

>>530184316
As someone who's also fairly new (completed 2 games so far - got raped lategame in one and rugpulled before I really got to fight anyone in the other - and am currently engaged in 4 more) seeing what other people are doing is probably the most helpful learning tool. In my limited experience to your question:
>forts are primarily for creating national units, their strategic value is mainly just to slow down/kill a doomstack
In other words you build forts to make more mages or otherwise strong units you can't recruit elsewhere. Since armies can just waltz right by them they aren't usually very effective roadblocks. Building more than you can recruit in is usually a waste of gold. Exceptions exist in situations where you want to constantly add units to one province.
>summoning line units via conjuration is done only in the early game to buff up weaker armies, to add army strength for busting forts/going underwater/going into caves or as an act of desperation
People mostly save their gems for the big, expensive summons that give them a mage with paths they need.
>items are almost exclusively for path boosting and adding good defenses, like ethereal, to important units, although research boosters are also good
Basically you aim to make your thug unkillable or your mage able to cast a better spell/survive an arrow to the head. Some of the Const 9 items are bullshit game winners if you can make them.
>nobody really bothers with damage rituals that aren't Mind Hunt
>"make units at enemy location" is useless
>global enchantments that give more gems win you the game
Gems are king. If you have the most gems you probably win.
Real /domg/ veterans are free to correct me if they haven't already gone AI.

>>530192217
Well you got to have something good to buy with gems

>>530196317
Yeah you also need the research. Really you need everything. I've played very few other games where I felt as constantly stressed about the shit I don't have that I feel like I should have. Still, it seems like the guy who gets Mother Oak and/or Astral Geyser up is also the guy who's probably going to roll over you with a 2000 strong army that has so much going on you don't even know how to begin countering it, most of the time.

>>530184316
Forts draw resources from every neighboring tile, which generally means you don't want them to share the same circle around themselves if you can avoid it, as you lose production in the long run by doing that. Its better to spread out your forts unless your nation doesn't care about production, in which case fill your cap circle with them. I believe forts also increase income, so its worth building them on high population provinces, as that gives them more base recruitment points and gives a higher income bonus.

Rituals is just a matter of learning the magic, you won't understand it at first because theres a ton of it and most is fairly niche. What rituals are good varies depending both on national spells (like Asphodel's essential fort production one) and available paths. I'd recommend asking on a per-path basis.

As for expand effeciently, take a dom2 for really fast expansion. Some nations can expand fairly quick with small parties using a powerful bless, I'll point at MA Man and their Knights of Avalon or MA Marignon and their Chalice Knights (with a powerful bless) as examples. Others struggle more, which makes taking an awake expanding dom2 monster pretender better.

Dom4 pretenders are things you generally take for one of a few reasons. If you intend to do powerful incarnate blesses, they are often the most efficient chassis, if you don't care about not being able to move. They are fairly inexpensive for the magical abilities they have, so some nations who need a really strong bless favor dom4s. Dom4s are also pretty good ritual or research casters, since that doesn't require them to leave the capital. Lastly, a lot of dom4s, though not those with the unteleportable trait, can become late game death machines with the right paths. The Monolith, for example, can be used to teleport into enemy provinces and cast battlefield clearing magic, while being very difficult to kill due to being a fucking rock.

>>530192217
Summoning line units, even for nations without good national summons, is often favored in the later stages of the game since a lot of those summons absolutely fuck when buffed, or at least fill holes your national troops cannot.

Items are great for pathboosting but there are plenty you just want for thugging, and thugging is an extremely efficient strategy.

Damage rituals again you are wrong, mind hunt is good but shit like seeking arrow, murdering winter, and flames from the sky are all good. Fires from afar sucks ass.

Make enemies at enemy location is good if they aren't religious about PD dumps, since you can spam it and take half their lands in the magic phase. You don't use it to kill armies, you use it to take undefended lands in the backline and rape their economy.

Piggybacking on the giant question
When playing Mekone or the Phlegras, do I just shit out forts to get as many Giant Hoplites that I can, while just bumrushing Gigantomachia?

Like fuck me man i think the nation is the dopest shit around but i am not understanding giant 101

>Join a discord game because I'm sick of stalers and noskill vets on /domg/
>Get 2v1'd turn 7 because I didn't diplomance.my neighbors

Why are the multiplayer communities so shit for this game? I'm in this eternal dilemma of swapping between here and discord because of aforementioned reasons.

>>530200053
I get the idea of the summon units spells, but it seems like it just doesn't happen. They just teleport/fly/trapeze/etc a thug that doesn't care about PD instead.
I also haven't personally seen any of the damage rituals you mentioned get cast in any significant capacity, though massing seeking arrows seems like it should be good to murder mages.

>>530201886
have you considered the possibility that instead of everyone else being shit, it is actually you whomst're shit?

join tournaments or something not my problem

>>530202067
you're meant to use those summoned units in your actual armies and buff them up. even 20/30 can easily swing a battle for you
murdering winter gets cast almost every game to great effect, flames from the skies is rarer because you need actual powerhouses duking it out turn 70+ and most games end before then

>>530202479
Considering that I've only won domg games, I fully agree that I might be shit. Dilemma still stands nonetheless.

>>530201886
SIX
TOES
UOOOOHHH

>>530203114
i dunno what to tell you mang doMAgay has been pretty fun so far

Thoughts on the sprite?

>>530205613
My little Anakim girlfriend can't be this cute

>>530201886
Footjob

>>530206114
The armor design is awful (anime stylized cavalry samurai armor as generic infantry armor, shoulders and chest exposed, boob armor), but other than that it looks pretty nice.

>>530206338
This looks quite uninspired, though. It's very noticeable that you just rotated the arms and it doesn't work. Suddenly her right arm is a lot shorter and her left arm is fucking long.
Together with the body position, it just doesn't look at all like she's attacking. And you should, at least, add the other side of the sword's guard.

>>530206114
>>530206338
Looks great and cummable, all that matters in the end

>>530206882
I could have sworn I added the other side of the guard in. I guess I hit undo a few too many times at some point.

>>530202067
Most summoned units suck ass, but a lot of them are absolutely game changing for an army. I'll give a few of my favorites here.

Wights: Hard to kill rapey undead with withering weapons inbuilt. Can make a powerful cold aura producing core to a larger force.

Lamias: Regenerating infantry which can hold a frontline shockingly well after buffs.

Spring Hawks: One of the best units in the game, an amazing counter to non lightning res thug, and a powerful tool if mixed with other flyers and dropped on a backline of mages.

Summer Lions: Ethereal lions with a heat aura which can easily take out mundane infantry en masse with minimal casualties.

Kydnids: Awe infantry with amphibious capabilities.

Most of these are conj 5 or below, and summoning them can really add a lot to your army that your opponent might not be ready to deal with yet. You don't need to make a full army of them, just a few casts can bulk up a force from a 50/50 to a stomp.

>>530209978
I actually meant the "summon dudes into provinces" spells, but after two people misinterpreted it I must accept that I wasn't being clear. Thanks for the tip anyway - I'd been eyeballing all the ones you mentioned, actually.
Am I wrong to think that you generally use your "extra" gems on this kind of stuff? Like as a heavy D nation I'm probably going to be ejaculating my D on skull mentors and skull staffs and various other skull stuff, but I might have a bunch of N laying around to use on Lamias? Or should I be prioritizing the better units?

>>530210739
They're still pretty decent. Either your opponent goes hard on PD, wasting a lot of money (in that case, just make a couple thugs to make him regret it), or they kept PD light and you can immediately steal a province. Then you can move the commander you get to take more provinces, or pillage the one you already took to get some extra money and deny gold and recruiting even after the province gets recaptured.
Sure they're rather useless for, say, Caelum, but if you're playing a rather slow moving faction that doesn't do raiding well, they're a great addition to your toolbox.

>>530209978
How about anons, tarrasques, and ancient spirits?

>>530192217
>engaged in 4 more
Did you have previous experience? You must be either very brave, very smart or very well-researched to be able to compete in these.

>make your thug unkillable
could you please explain on this?

>>530199697
>nations who need a really strong bless
What are the good blesses I should be looking out for? Just one or two examples would be good.

>battlefield clearing magic
Which spell/domain is this? Overall I'm trying to learn which domain levels are the 'break points' and how much I need in terms of research investments. Like, people are mentioning to empower up your mages to make them good; is it better to have several strong mages than one godlike mage?

>>530216397
>You must be either very brave, very smart or very well-researched to be able to compete in these.
I'm not any of these things. I read the two screenshot Dominions LPs on the SA archives, went "looks cool man," bought Dominions 4, played singleplayer for 300 hours, and then didn't touch the game again until about 3 months ago when I started joining every 4chan game that was not LA. I pick a new nation and build a new tendie for it for every game to see how I like it. People exaggerate how much you'll get fucked over in MP, at least in my experience. /domg/ has been pretty cool guys in-game. Give it a try the next time one gets posted, it'll be fine.

I'm kind of shit at thugs too, other than knowing that autocast spell item = good and that you want it to be a golem, ideally, because being mindless and inanimate while also casting spells and having full item slots is OP. You want a weapon that can kill more than one dude at a time and resistance/invulnerability (not literal invulnerability) against whatever spells the guy you're raiding is trying to kill you with.

>>530218192
So can I assume this won't happen until you have like... Construction 5 at the very least? Those sound like powerful items

>>530219275
Depends. Golems are expensive but are in the construction school. A lot of good thug chassis like oni shugo or ponies have magic paths built in

Hostfags try not setting cataclysm to turn 50

>>530221719
what happens at the cataclysm? haven't made it to turn 91 in one of my game's yet.

>>530221796
Thrones get eaten by doom horrors, all provinces get 60-150 unrest, horrors assassinate your commanders, heroes and God. And a sprinkle of misfortune.

Pyrene TC please take it I want a turn before work.

>>530221796
>>530222624
I don't know why people turn it on. Doesn't it work like arcane corruption? It seems like that'd just slow the game down even more.

>>530209978
Pale riders gets an honorable mention, though now that wights are actually pretty good value I think they've fallen off a tad.
Reanimation is surprisingly good during expansion phase.
If you're counting batsums I don't see many people use lammashtas which surprises me since they're incredible (they might get a bad rep from the days when they spawned on top of your casting mage and caused him to route).
>>530202067
>I also haven't personally seen any of the damage rituals you mentioned get cast in any significant capacity
Manifestation, ghost riders, and leprosy are all extremely good late game and I get a lot of work out of them. Arouse hunger is expensive, and can bounce off not that much PD, but being only alteration 4 makes it very valuable.

Keeping in mind this is all assuming SCBM, balance in vanilla is pretty awful. Some of this applies, some of it doesn't.

>>530225006
Thrones get eaten by doom horrors = the game will end in a few turns at best. But yes, people just turtle with their armies trying to kill the horrors coming instead of actually playing and the winner is decided by rng

Is there anything useful you can do with the fire one on MA sorginas? Especially things that can't be done with your cheaper fire one option.

>>530227997
If you have a bunch they can each summon a lesser fire ele

>>530228865
That'd work pretty well as an opener for the first turn when your evos are out of range

>>530227997
Combustion

>>530227997
fire blood crosspath has very good rituals
give her a gem and turn her into a F2 with phoenix power and she can evo spam
fire/air has fatigue evos too but they look kind of niche

>>530216397
Strong bless depends on whats being blessed, but I'll give a few examples of different blesses, where they are useful, and what kind of sacred you want to take them on.

#1: Generic "Giant" Bless: Fortitude + Regen. This is best on Giant sacreds, ideally ones with over 60 HP. Fortitude is Earth 7, Regen is nature 7. This is great on things like EA Niefel/Muspel Giants or MA Ashdod. This is a defensive bless, focused on utilizing Giants massive hitpools to make them extremely difficult to conventionally kill, especially when further buffed in battle with protection.

#2: Imprisoned hellbless. This focuses on making sacreds immune or resistant to midgame magic, and more difficult to kill generally. A favorite of mine is 1x point frost res, 1x point fire res, 1x point poison res, 2x lightning res, enchanted blood, and 5 stacks of undying, and blood surge. This makes your sacreds better once they get a kill, gives them a bonus 10 hitpoints, gives them slight regen and immunity to bleeding, and makes them highly resistant to most forms of battlefield evo. Nations I use this on would be LA Agartha and MA Marignon, both of whom need some scales but also have a recruit anywhere sacred with high base protection.

#3: Quickness killbless. This focuses on making a sacred which isn't innately survivable better and faster at killing, so that it spends less time getting killed and wipes an enemy faster. Quickness, 2x strength, lightning weapons, blood surge. This is something I'd consider on nations like Mictlan or Nazca.

Not all of these are true hellblesses, but they are examples I personally like. Not every nation needs a hellbless either.

That Morg Princess vs Malika fight was nuts

Stygian rains

I'm workshopping a nation based on everything having promotions and want it's magic to focus on buffing the weaker troops to improve their survival. What paths do you think offer the best options?

Help, this is important. How do I expand into a swamp with 30~ longdead horsemen?

>>530243667
Recruit a bunch of trash to eat the charge, then bring in your heavy hitters to sweep them up. What nation are you playing?

>scales cuck
uh...um...surely my +10% income will make a huge difference this game!!
>expanderchads
heh, looks like i'm taking ANOTHER capital

>>530250647
Awake is good but it has limits. If you meet a dormant guardian waiting you are absolutely cucked when you can't blitzkrieg the enemy.

>>530250647
>dude you don't understand, all the games I rage quit don't count

>>530243667
Get some cheap mercenaries to stand in front

>>530253431
what about imprisoned, is imprisoned playable?

>>530253431
You gain an early gold advantage that lets you put up infrastructure faster, then you maintain that gold advantage with your larger prov count that lets you make use of that increased military production.
An awake expander (no hellbless) is actually the best position to be in vs a dormant defender unless your hellbless is capable of overwhelming it in its own dominion. The tier list vs a dormant defender is something like overwhelming hellbless > awake expander > scales and/or non-hell rainbow > your own dormant defender > countered hellbless (unless the hellbless is on a strong, teleporting immobile that you can ambush the enemy defender with).

do you guys gamble on your first time with the unscouted attack?

>>530254894
Imprisoned is best with a bless of some kind, anything from medium to hell. Even on scales nation, pure imprisoned scales is almost never ideal.

>>530261034
imprisoned prod/order scales should allow for a fuckton of recruitment and sacreds early on
with a strong bless they should hold the line

then again i play SP and dont know just how hard a hellbless legion hits

>>530253483
NTA, but going AI when you've lost the momentum is simply logical. I play games for my enjoyment, and I don't particularly enjoy getting cucked. There is no ragequit involved, it's simply calculation of "can I recover from this with my momentum intact?", if not->go AI.

>>530256721
Always. If it fizzles into heavy cavalry simply go AI.

>>530206882
>it just doesn't look at all like she's attacking
Uhh, have you seen the vanilla sprites? Half of them just throw their arms up as an 'attack'.

>>530192217
>Real /domg/ veterans are free to correct me if they haven't already gone AI.
Real veteran would go AI if the situation is unsalvageable. You think pro players in any competitive mp game sit through a game they know they can't win anymore?

>>530264632
>competitive
If I had played that long and I still haven't figured out how to have fun, I would quit

>>530262482
It Depends heavily on the nation: how good the sacreds are, how good the non-sacreds are, how good the imprisoned bless choices are on those sacreds and how much order/prod come into play if at all (some nations are almost never rec capped on their best troops, fewer nations are almost never res capped).

>>530264632
Just a joke, please don't give up on the thread now

>>530264632
If that were true no one would play ea rlyeh

>>530264632
i guess i always kind of assumed that people play videogames to have fun or something idk
i barely even try to win the game, i just want to shitstomp people's armies in protracted wars that let me LARP as a general. if that leads to me winning that's cool, if not i ain't mad because i still had a good time
you gotta admit that going AI on turn 10 because you lost 30 units is retarded. oh shit, youre gonna have 4 less provinces than you'd autistically mapped out on an excel sheet and now your timeline to cast astral geyser by turn 35 isn't gonna work and you won't be able to have enough golems on turn 70 to beat any theoretical force in the entire game, better just give up! suck it up and play the game BITCH.

>>530201886
Footjob, thighjob, pitjob all with deadpan stare.

>>530201886
>Get 2v1'd turn 7 because I didn't diplomance.my neighbors
/domg/ doesn't diplo because it's a bunch of extra spergy and hostile anons who can only use the annoying and delayed in-game messaging for diplo, but it makes perfect sense why a dominions community with instant messaging that gives slightly more of a fuck about their turns would work out NAPs. NAPs are how you know it's "safe" to wage a war.
Being the one neighbor who doesn't call to settle a border and NAP is like dropping the soap, telling everyone to file out and having one guy who stays in the shower staring at your ass. You think he's gonna rape you if you attack anyone else, so you rape him first, preferably after recruiting someone else to hold him down.

>>530263448
cucked mentality

>>530263448
>>530281825
It's a question of willpower, anons. You just have to take that one loss and ignore the bad feeling deep down. Once you shift gears, even a losing game is fun.

>>530279256
/domg/ vets are a special breed of diplo.
Ask a normal person a question over discord, they'll usually respond with a yes, no, or be way too wordy.
You can spot the vet because instead of responding in discord, they instead send a paragraph calling you a discord tranny in game while also having not answered whatever you asked in the first place.

Funny, but makes them a 'kill me first' liability because they lack basic social skills.

redpill me on the trinity chassis
does it do more research?
does it expand better?
more slots = more fighty but does it really?

>>530293180
Honestly some of the most fun I have are siege defense battles.
As an AoEII Black Forest map enjoyer, nothing makes me happier.

>>530279256
NAPs are a shit mechanic because they are based on out-of-game reputation. All the discord people openly threaten to take notes on who NAP breaks them and remember that in future games. Binding NAPs are even worse because they are full of loopholes and you can't "break" the nap in retaliation for someone exploiting them.

>>530287942
Least passive aggressive discord sister.

>>530295608
They're fun if you're on equal footing or the guy stomping the other one not so fun otherwise

>>530295608
Winning a game is obviously great, but being the reason somebody else loses because you went down swinging is pretty great too.

>>530296765
>NAPs are a shit mechanic because they are based on out-of-game reputation.
I mean not entirely, it's usually pretty easy to tell in game when somebody has a good reason to NAP break you without knowing anything about the players, and pretty much every game has a "diplomacy not binding" rule on it even in discord. You wont become a pariah for nap breaking unless you are doing it literally every time and you constantly brag about it, which wouldnt even make sense to do from an in game strategic perspective.
No trying to write off all the discord bullshit that comes with the game, it definitely exists to varying degrees depending on the server, but I feel like you have to play so many games and break so many naps before you are ever at a community based disadvantage because of it. I play here and on discord and I don't think I've ended up playing against the same player more twice ever anyway.
Saying that I almost never ask for NAPS unless its extremely advantageous for me and the other guy seems dumb enough to accept it. I usually only accept them when the guy offering was somebody I never intended to fight anyway too and theres almost no chance I'd need to NAP break to win the game anyway.
Also nap breaks for throne rushes/defenses are pretty much always accepted as moral no matter where you play.

I sincerely hope this end of the game play works

>>530296765
>Least passive aggressive discord sister.
Listen up libtard, this is TRUMPs America now. In this country we look our neighbors square in the eye, give'm a firm handshake, and call them an informative slur to make our diplomatic intentions known.
If you can't even do that, then you have to go back!

How do I get more dudes in the late game? My mage corp is eating up all my income

>>530306269
Blood magic

>>530306269
Do aggressive mass mage armies in order to free up money.

>>530282546
>Once you shift gears, even a losing game is fun.
crushing a hubristic asshole that thought he beat you after one big battle is what this game is about

>>530306269
You can use transform to (probably) remove upkeep from high upkeep mages.
You can also twiceborn them and suicide them to remove upkeep.
You could also put a shroud on a mage to make it sacred to reduce its upkeep but this probably isn't worth doing unless you need that mage to be sacred for something else.

>>530296765
>oh no, it's the consequences of my actions!
True, you can't be a total nigger every game and not get punished for it. If you could /domg/ would probably die.

Beautiful battle

>>530312424
>he has darkness
sheeeeiiiiit....

>>530311671
Calm down discord sister, if playing the game as written is being a nigger then you're playing a nigger game. I just don't feel like playing in popularity contests disguised as dominions lobbies.

>>530311671
the consequences of your actions should be limited to the game, not carry over to others. and if you can get away with being a nigger and win the game like that, props to you. nothing wrong with that, you played the ascension war as intended in the lore

>>530316556
>the consequences of your actions should be limited to the game, not carry over to others
While I agree, you have to really play a shitload of games on just 1 discord for that to even statistically happen. 98% of the time you aren't replaying anybody unless you go out of your way too

Where are the new games?

>>530316979
I don't think this game has enough of a playerbase for that to be true. How many games do we have running here right now?
Even assuming every player is only in a single game, which is very obviously not the case, we're probably like 200 people here tops. More likely something like 50-100

>>530318043
I've played mp since dom 5 launched. I only know of 2 people I've played against more than once. I'm not sure how many games I've played tbf, but I play about half my games here and half on whatever discord has a ruleset I want to play looking for players.
I have probably played agains domg vets more than once though

Two words of advice: never trust a skeleton.

>>530318706
>never replies to a greeting
>never thanks the compensation after an unfortunate bump
>doesn't appreciate the mutually beneficial aspects of trade
>backstabs an innocent, friendly neighbor while they're busy with a defensive war
Around elves, watch yourselves

>>530319279
>trade with a popkill nation with 10 dominion
If only the retarded fucking nazcans didn't come after me I could've totalled you before you started steamrolling.

>>530319506
Should've killed me when you had the chance, bruv. Supply limits are meaningless to my definitely extremely well planned lategame.

>>530324207
>impersonating the friendly skeletons in the thread
Get the fuck out of here. The friendly (un)people of Ermor only spread love and friendship.

>>530325058
Anon, I...

>>530325249
>expecting fellow Dominions players not to be massively autistic
You got no one to blame for this misunderstanding but yourself, my beloved skellybro

>>530325058
Sinister but mostly peaceful trading hosts

>>530325661
I don't know who's gonna win this game, but it certainly won't be any filthy flesh-haver.