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XV2 Daima DLC just dropped.
Shallot DLC released for Sparking! ZERO

Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot - Daima DLC (Only pre-order bonus as of now)
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>Useful links:
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XV2 news:
>Future Saga 3 DLC on the way, release date TBA
>Upcoming character: SS3 Vegeta
>Festival of Universes 3 ended, both Universe 6 and 11 won twice between 4 platforms.

SDBH News/Resources:
>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24
>SDBH Database: www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/
>Deck Autism: rentry.org/sdbhdecklist

DBSDV news:
>SDV3 leaked: More Frieza saga, SS3 Goku (Mini-Daima), and Gomah as notable GDRs and Giants returning as an Action Skill
>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)
>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost
>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills
>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card
>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges
>Avatars can also equip accessories and level up a skill tree
>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar

>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:
steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21
DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefile
If you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.

Kakarot:
>Daima DLC Part 1 will release on July 17th 2025
>Daima DLC Part 2 will release in early 2026

DB The Breakers:
>Season 8 launched with Golden Frieza Raider
>Ultra Instinct Goku transphere

>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry here
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Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)
Thank you

LAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>528719178

>>529239496 (OP)
Cute father/son duo.

I think the most fitting for Goku in Bleach would be for him to be some weird type of Hollow that was mistaken as a Fullbringer.
That or some ancient overly brutal Shinigami clan that got wiped for fucking around with Hollowification.

Bump

>>529255751
dominance

Budokai 3 has one thing that I'm surprised more games don't do: When you play in the Z3 difficulty, every opponent is max level, as opposed to other difficulties where they gradually become stronger. I feel more RPGs should do this, just so early bosses can be a challenge at all in NG+.

Isn't Daima pack 2 getting released in July? Where is the trailer?

>>529264863
https://youtu.be/zNFuG1BpViI
july 2nd maybe, but it's not even here so dont expect it

bumo

Goku...


A SHIT!

any hope of future saga 3 being seen on july 2nd?

>>529264863
Maybe Shallot delayed it

fusions 2

>>529291825
Probably. I don't see why not

i love dragon ball gt

>>529303031
do one with no Uchiyama stills please

>>529303031
I wish dragon ball kept going, gt or z movies
that era of animation and art style is forever gone, we got a lot thankfully but i still want more
now we're stuck with modern animation and cgi shit

>>529303031
I don't like Goku jr and Vegeta jr
Everything else is fine in GT. I like it enough.

>>529303031
It's the worst DB show but still neat.

>>529303031
>All moments from the last dozen episodes
GT is shit

>>529303031
best ending for DB. unmatched.
old toei writers really knew how to make great DB content

>>529291825
Nah, the shortest distance between DLCs so far were 4 months. And usually it's 6 months or more.

>>529306183
>best ending for DB. unmatched.
That's delusional, the ending doesn't even make sense.

>>529306183
It's literally just a worse, more contradictory and retarded version of End of Z.
>>529307375
Doesn't mean they can't advertise it on July 2.

I Installed some cosmetic mods for Sparking Zero and they mostly seem to work fine online except the ones that add additional outfits give me an error when I get matches with other people, did anyone else have this problem?

>>529309694
I didn't even know those mods worked online at all.

>>529309850
As long as you don't pick a costume slot that isn't available in vanilla it seems to work fine

>>529311238
That's cool to know.

The problem with Dragon Ball is that its cast became simply way too iconic. It's no surprise that they're fucking scared shitless of doing anything post EoZ because that means the status quo will finally be shattered. They already have experience of what happens with that with GT, and they know the results will not be pretty.
Like, they could go and straight-up make a DBO series. Not like there's not enough material for it. Brand new setting, brand new cast, not bogged down at all by anything anymore, completely wide the slate clean while still being Dragon Ball. But it'll never happen. People just want more of what they already know, they want more of just Goku & Co.
It's the same reason why Goku went back to his Z gi after getting a new look in F. Vegeta too. Why? Because the Z clothes are the "iconic" ones.
Because nostalgia sells, and we live in the era of endless rehashing and remakes and not-sequels
This hypothetical DBO series could be the best written and most beautifully animated DB anything ever in history and it would still fail because it'll be about a cast of literally whos and not the cast we've gotten to know and love for nearly half a century now.
Toriyama dropping dead does not help the matter either. It could have maybe been accepted had it been fully led by him from day 1 but lol lmao now. EoZ is sacred now.
The status quo cannot be changed, not anymore. Maybe if BoG had been set after EoZ would the series be allowed to move forward but that chance is already long gone.
The post-Daima future is extremely uncertain anyway so none of this matters. Honestly, I'd start making preparations because a drought like the one from the 00 is a high possibility. Toriyama dying, Shueisha/Iyoku copyright clusterfuck, Nozawa being fucking 88, etc.

>Legends 7th Anniversary
>the developers hype it up as this Super Anni that’s better than all the other Annis. Is supposed to be the biggest event in the whole game
Did it do good?

>>529312169
>This hypothetical DBO series could be the best written and most beautifully animated DB anything ever in history and it would still fail because it'll be about a cast of literally whos and not the cast we've gotten to know and love for nearly half a century now.
I wouldn't necessarily say that, while it could fail with people who only care about Goku and the like, it could still find its own niche. Though it'd likely not be as recognizable unless it really, really stood out.

>Toriyama dropping dead does not help the matter either. It could have maybe been accepted had it been fully led by him from day 1 but lol lmao now. EoZ is sacred now.
Toriyama himself didn't help with it, since he regreted making everyone so old in EoZ, and despite years passing in DBS, he never updated anyone's designs so they look older. This specially stands out with Maron, who inexplicably still looks like she's 3 years old in a 6 years period.

>The status quo cannot be changed, not anymore. Maybe if BoG had been set after EoZ would the series be allowed to move forward but that chance is already long gone.
It's honestly insane we spent this long between Buu saga and EoZ, all because Toriyama regrets making everyone so old, when he could've just retconned it since a bunch of things in DBS have retconned EoZ anyways...

>>529312169
>They could straight up make something that isn't dragon ball and just call it dragon ball but no, people just want more dragon ball!
This is beyond retarded.
> because that means the status quo will finally be shattered.
Super changed the status quo harder than anything that would be required by End of Z, literally the only status quo 'change', EoZ would have is Uub is around and is Goku's apprentice.

>>529312169
>Not like there's not enough material for it
There isn't. People WAY overestimate how much lore and worldbuilding DBO had, especially with its short lifespan, it couldn't even introduce a real goal for its main bad guys.

>>529312169
>>529314764
DB without Goku isn't DB. I'm not fucking watching or reading 'Dragon Ball Two Blue Vortex' with some random OC who'll at best be a discount Goku.
Next Gen fags should kill themselves, their shitty obsession killed any quality of any manga that made the mistake of listening to them.

>>529313980
I look at the headliners for both parts and the events, and it’s making me think they expected the ground battles to do all the heavy lifting for this anniversary. That people would be so impressed by it that they wouldn’t care that all 4 headliners have reused models, or part 1 Goku and part 2 Vegeta’s LFs are direct downgrades of their previous versions, or that we only JUST got a new mechanic out of Nappa, and that there are still several other mechanics that they don’t even use anymore.

And they were right to think that. Any complaint people had with this anni has been completely forgotten. And anyone who still hates it are seen as “fake fans that only want Fusion slop” because they put Saiyan Saga in. Also a shitty choice given all the way more deserving candidates (father-son Kamehameha, spirit bomb, even the OG Broky movie), but early DB fans get angry when you want anything later than Frieza saga and and make for the perfect rabid low iq attack dogs. You should see how thu behaved with Dokkan when people thought Shallot was going to be in instead of Tao.

>>529315378
>they expected the ground battles to do all the heavy lifting for this anniversary.
Why are they called ground battles? The characters still fly above the ground, just closer to it.

>>529312169
This post gets immediately proven right by Mexicans like this >>529315338
Goku is a spent character kek. 40 years of the same thing.

I've yet to see a fanmanga that took focus away from Goku and wasn't terrible.
Even DB Sai only got good when Goku showed up.

>>529315638
That’s not the actual name. It was datamined and it just stuck.

That was a complaint too when it first came out. And even when people found out it wouldn’t be that difficult to make characters run, retards still chimped out at any instance of criticism

>>529315750
>It was proven right by being easily torn apart
Cope.

>>529315750
>Goku is a spent character kek. 40 years of the same thing.
Go read another manga if you don't want more Dragon Ball then. There's plenty of manga out there you can read instead of begging for DB to become another manga.
>>529315852
I thought they wanted to take advantage of how much people liked the ground battles in Kakarot but I guess they gave up halfway? As it is, I really don't get the point of the mechanic.

>>529303031
>>529306183
GT deserves less.

>>529315974
>>Torn apart
And by torn apart I mean I cried like a baby at the thought of there being no more Goku.

>>529236031
>I have no idea why they were thinking it would be something we want. Literally have the second GoD be ANYWHERE else.
The other GoDs went to other places, but half of the chapter takes place in Sadala anyway... There is a chance the story will focus more on the other places GoDs are visiting, but, considering half they were so in love with Sadala that the fight against that GoD was longer than the entirety of the Freeza fight (As in, starting from Vegeta vs Freeza until Goku blasts him for the last time), I won't be surprised if we get another Sadala filler hell...

>Hell, have him be in U11 where Gohan and Jiren are.
Yeah, specially since we could have a fight between Toppo as a god of destruction vs another one... Though maybe that should be saved for a more major battle than another filler mid-boss.

>Also why did nobody on Sadala think maybe it'd be a good idea to try and contact Hit? The strongest dude in their universe? Who's stronger than Vegeta?
Wouldn't say he's stronger than Vegeta, but yeah, him being there would make the most sense, but instead Hit is on his home planet bullying Frost.

>>529312169
>EoZ is sacred now.
>now
What rock have been living under for the last 15 years? People have been having meltdowns over any hints of changes or retcons to EoZ since BOG.

>>529316516
/dbs/ is that way
>>529316481
GT already doesn't get anything beyond being roster fillers in video games.

>>529315338
I was thinking more of a spinoff than a DBO series being another "main" series. Removing everyone like that either happens in spinoffs or franchises that do timeskips like that constantly, like Castlevania.

>>529316785
It still deserves less

>>529316192
>As it is, I really don't get the point of the mechanic.
Apparently the game has been making less and less money every year so I guess this huge 3 part update was a way to breathe new life into the game and either bring people back or keep them from going. As for the Saiyan Saga thing, it may seem like they’re pushing this whole Goku/Vegeta thing, but it seems to me like they’re trying to ease fans into less “hype” or big characters for anni headliners. The anime doesn’t seem to be coming back with material for them anytime soon and they can’t keep bouncing back and forth between fusions, ToP, and the best movies forever.

I personally think their problem is their overreliance on PvP. In some cases (like part 1) it’s literally the only thing to do, and it’s not very fun when you don’t have the new OP units or you just flat out suck.

>>529315794
>I've yet to see a fanmanga that took focus away from Goku and wasn't terrible.
Specially since they're normally filled with Vegetafagging.

Gohan conceptually could have worked as a protagonist, but not in the way he started off in the Buu saga, and especially not how he ended up. Gohan needed a reason to WANT to fight strong guys, though not in the same way Goku did.

>>529316516
>there being no more Goku.
I'd cry too, I love Goku. He's OUR HERO!
>>529316538
>The other GoDs went to other places,
Yeah but out of the 2 Gods we saw going somewhere specific, 1 went to Sadala and I imagine the other two are just gonna do shit offscreen that get revealed later.
> but, considering half they were so in love with Sadala that the fight against that GoD was longer than the entirety of the Freeza fight
Which is insane given it really wasn't that good of a fight and there was no reason for it to last so long.
>Though maybe that should be saved for a more major battle than another filler mid-boss.
I mean the actual major battles are gonna be for Jiren and Gohan so might as well throw Toppo a bone while we're there.
>Wouldn't say he's stronger than Vegeta
He was way stronger than Vegeta in the TOP given his fight against Jiren but yeah, who knows the power ranking after that unending filler fight where Vegeta powered up like 6 times.
Also I just realized the dude Vegeta fought escaped, he isn't even dead (and Vegeta made him run away with a callback to his Gero bluff, which didn't make sense since the whole reason it worked was that Gero couldn't sense energy the same way everyone else can).
We're SO getting a cringe rematch between the two like it's some beloved fight like Freeza vs Goku.
The Sadala fight is like half of Kakumei already.

Your hero? My plaything. My concubine. My whore. When I'm done with him, you will never be able to see Goku the same way ever again! I will PULL his TAIL! YES! YES!

>>529316850
Oh, a spin off is fine then. Basically an animated Xenoverse could be fun, with some added time patrol slice of life and a main plot that isn't retreading Z.
Mainline should stay away from next gen tho. I don't mind changing up stuff but changing stuff to the point Goku isn't even around is just not even DB anymore.
Toriyama tried a bunch and always had to backpedal for a reason.
>>529317396
Sure, Gohan COULD have worked but it just wasn't something Toriyama enjoyed or thought he could make work.
Any idea can conceptually work but you have to take into account the likes, talents and limitation of the dude actually writing it all;

>>529317803
>YES! YES!
The tail puller was the Skavenanon all along?

>>529317216
>I personally think their problem is their overreliance on PvP.
Hearing about Legends being PvP focused is what kept me away, I'm kinda interested in Shallot's plot but I can't be bothered with PvP in the slightest.
I heard they added a story related raid in the latest update so maybe they're trying to refocus on the story?

>>529317246
>Specially since they're normally filled with Vegetafagging
Exactly. I wonder what fanmanga is the worst in term of Vegetafagging. Somehow DB Sai is less Vegetafaggy than Multiverse and Kakumei.
Any other DB manga that fit the description?
DB After was decent, it technically made Goku into a raid boss but it's still pretty focused on him and his fights against everyone and their attempts to stop him.
I can't really think of another DB fanmanga.

>>529317813
For Toriyama specifically I think the biggest problem is he never really found a place for Gohan to be "fun" as a fighter. Gohan was always either too serious or too angry, which contrasted with him wanting to be a huge nerd. That gives some amusing contrast, but there was no point where it was used to morph into a protagonistic trait suited for a story like Dragon Ball. To do that, you needed some point of bridging between nerd and fighter, where Gohan could get excited about facing a new challenge BECAUSE of his nerd status, not in spite of it; he gets that, and Toriyama could easily have made that into a more endearing, protagonistic Gohan.

>>529318325
Shallot reversed the mass brainwashing, found a counter to the orb thing Zahha has, is STILL trying to redeem him, and is currently being sent back to the past but is on cell right now (started at Frieza, the story moves when the players beat the raid bosses). The story’s always moved at a snail pace and this would have taken over a year. Either they’re planning a finale or there’s going to be a second main villain

>>529317409
>And I imagine the other two are just gonna do shit offscreen that get revealed later.
One of them went to the demon realm, and the demon realmn is the least explored part of Kakumei, so yeah...

The other one is just near a super dragon ball too, so unless someone arrives to figh, nothing is gonna happen.

>Which is insane given it really wasn't that good of a fight and there was no reason for it to last so long.
Yeah, I understand building up tension by showing a GoD as an opponent but, he's just a mid boss... That fight was the equivalent of Nappa or Ginyu Force, and those weren't too long.

>so might as well throw Toppo a bone while we're there.
Toppo still doing nothing even after being promoted to a GoD would be depressing...


>Vegeta powered up like 6 times.
In ToP itself Vegeta got Royal Blue, which would put him above Hit logically.

But yeah, even if Vegeta still wasn't above Hit, Ultra Overthinker would do so... Which is not something anyone else knew of so, like you said, hiring Hit would be better.

>Also I just realized the dude Vegeta fought escaped, he isn't even dead
That makes the whole thing more frustrating. The fight took forever to end, and he didn't even die. There are still four other universes with GoDs not counting Freeza (five if Zero universe has one, I forget), so getting rid of one wouldn't be an issue.

>(and Vegeta made him run away with a callback to his Gero bluff, which didn't make sense since the whole reason it worked was that Gero couldn't sense energy the same way everyone else can).
I didn't even notice that... That GoD constantly made correct deductions too so it's weird he fell for that bluff (Not impossible, just less likely).

>We're SO getting a cringe rematch between the two like it's some beloved fight like Freeza vs Goku.
More excuses for Vegetafagging too...

>The Sadala fight is like half of Kakumei already.
Yeah, even when binge reading I was annoyed with how long that fight overstayed its welcome.

>>529319027
I think the problem with Gohan was that he was too much of a 'classic' protagonist that you'd see in many other shows and manga and it just didn't jive with Toriyama who's quite the unorthodox type of artist.
Which is why you can see how Toei itself was a lot more comfortable with Gohan with all the fillers focused on him and Goku Jr being essentially Gohan if he was even more of a classic hero kid type of the era since they are very much a 'classic' type of company.
>where Gohan could get excited about facing a new challenge BECAUSE of his nerd status, not in spite of it;
That's something I thought too, it really wouldn't be hard to justify Gohan getting involved in stuff because of his thirst for knowledge, especially once he finished his 'traditional' studies.
Which even frustrated me in Super where he'd do stuff like simp for some random professor instead of trying to get knowledge from the literal mystical gods of creations he knows personally. He had all this greater world of knowledge at hand but just insisted on only caring about the mundane academic world (until his Ki book at least I guess).
It's just not a road anyone even tried to take for Gohan.

>>529317813
Goku was being set up as a mentor for the next gen since the cell arc. That is the natural evolution of his character. Become a master of martial arts and teach the next gen to let them take over. That is what Dragon Ball post Namek was supposed to be.
Or you have have 100 Supers, GTs, and Daimas. That works too.

>>529312169
Do that new cast shit and all you're going to get is Boruto v2

>>529312169
DB Super already shits on EoZ and everything on Z. Literally makes no sense all that shit happened in the 5 years break and what we know happens next.

>>529320082
>Goku was being set up as a mentor for the next gen since the cell arc
And it failed and Toriyama backpedaled because it wasn't working. Trying it again will just make it worse.

>>529319690
>That fight was the equivalent of Nappa or Ginyu Force, and those weren't too long.
The fact he had his own subfights with his underlings is crazy.
>Toppo still doing nothing even after being promoted to a GoD would be depressing...
But not surprising, it's not like anyone not named Vegeta did much so far.
>In ToP itself Vegeta got Royal Blue, which would put him above Hit logically.
Who knows, it's kinda hard to tell without a direct comparison, Hit just seemed to do better against Jiren IMO.
>Which is not something anyone else knew of so, like you said, hiring Hit would be better.
That and Hit is kinda of a hard counter to the GoD apprentice and his wizards underlings, with his time stop and insta kills.
It's kind of a Warrior-Wizard-Rogue triangle.
>so getting rid of one wouldn't be an issue.
Pretty sure he wasn't even a GoD either, he was GoD apprentice.
>I didn't even notice that...
You can tell because Vegeta even goes for a Big Bang, just like with Gero. The inheritor guy even calls out that he can sense Vegeta has no more energy at all and can't do shit but still run away, falling for the bluff, with Vegeta instantly running out the second he's gone.
>More excuses for Vegetafagging too...
Pretty much, yeah.
>Yeah, even when binge reading I was annoyed with how long that fight overstayed its welcome.
I just stopped reading for like a year or two waiting for that whole thing to end because I got sick of it, especially since I wasn't that interested in Vegeta hogging all the spotlight again.

>>529320094
>all you're going to get is Boruto v2
It does feel like what Toyotaro is going for at times.

>>529319797
>That's something I thought too, it really wouldn't be hard to justify Gohan getting involved in stuff because of his thirst for knowledge, especially once he finished his 'traditional' studies
Wouldn't even be that hard, you could even have a bit of a character arc about his issues with fighting since its pretty obvious he hates it on principle of having the first fights he ever went into be life or death situations. He was raised soft until his dad got beaten half to death, he was kidnapped, his dad then got killed and he was kidnapped again and dropped into the wilds. And then after that all of his dad's friends die, his dad gets all of his bones broken, and then he ships off to VietNamek which is just awful for everyone except Frieza. There's a complex in there that's warring against his sense of noblesse oblige and saiyan genetic desire for fight fagging.

>>529323167
>then he ships off to VietNamek which is just awful for everyone except Frieza
VietNamek is the funniest way to call that shitshow I ever heard.
When you think about it, Namek was really a complete warzone, it was more of a 'War arc' than most 'war arc' what ifs I've seen on youtube and in fanmanga. It was such a nightmare scenario involved for everyone except Freeza until Goku went SSJ.
It's even funnier when you remember it was supposed to be a safe trip to a planet of pacifist from the same race as his martial art teacher but he ended up witnessing a genocide firsthand.

Bros is there any hopium for a new movie or series?

Same for manga arc but to a much lesser extent. It’s literally useless if it can’t be adapted.

>>529324046
>Bros is there any hopium for a new movie or series?
Daima ended less than a year ago so maybe a movie? It's early for a new show.

>>529318561
>Somehow DB Sai is less Vegetafaggy than Multiverse and Kakumei.
Sai is more of a story that has Vegeta as the protagonist, he's naturally the strongest, but that's all. The original version even has him losing pretty badly to Goku, since Goku is a weakling who needed to become strong to survive.

>Any other DB manga that fit the description?
Huh, I actually can't remember any other besides those two right now... Any other stories are random fanfictions.

While not fanmanga, Hyourinjutsu likes Vegeta over Goku, he even had UI vs UE end with Vegeta's victory.

>DB After was decent, it technically made Goku into a raid boss but it's still pretty focused on him and his fights against everyone and their attempts to stop him.
Honestly made him slightly too overpowered, mostly because of that moment where he does a genki dama to kill Buu, and he somehow can force people give him genki.

Hell that entire Buu fight was terrible. Goku was doing genki dama and Buu decides to run away instead of stopping him from using it, so Buu died for nothing.

Even aside from that, the writing isn't that interesting. Villainous Goku is a little too psychotic, and also really weird, since he spared a dog barking at him, but killed Gohan without a care.

>>529326984
>The original version even has him losing pretty badly to Goku, since Goku is a weakling who needed to become strong to survive.
DB Sai Goku is by far the best part of that manga. Vegeta One Punching his way through early DB didn't interest me honestly.
>Any other stories are random fanfictions.
I'll take those too.
>he even had UI vs UE end with Vegeta's victory.
Which is stupid because UI hardcounter UE even while ignoring that as an Angel technique, it's better than the GoD's.
>Honestly made him slightly too overpowered, mostly because of that moment where he does a genki dama to kill Buu
I don't remember him fighting Buu, last I saw he was still fighting Piccolo.
>Even aside from that, the writing isn't that interesting.
Yeah, it's basically just fights and there were clear massive retcons / the author changing his mind on stuff.
Like when it was revealed that Uub'd blow isn't what made Goku go into evil mode but it was actually a defense mechanism because Goku sensed an hyper-threat coming and so instinctually awakened his saiyan memories as part of the process of reaching a new level or something.

Reposting the full list of every /dbg/ Custom Battle that I could find. If I missed any let me know or if you have one you want to share that isn't here, please share it.
>10/09/2024
4-733-252-380 // I Want Pizza! // Spopovich vs. Dodoria
0-669-710-703 // Defiance in the Face of Despair! Tien vs. Cell // Tien vs. Cell (2nd Form), ?
>10/11/2024
4-845-027-933 // The Changing Future // 18, 17 vs. Cell (1st Form)
1-203-202-536 // Raditz’s Inspiration // Goku (Early) vs. Raditz
>10/12/2024
3-836-943-170 // Saiyans: The Warrior Race // Turles vs. Goku (Super), Vegeta (Super), Gohan (Adult)
2-643-695-022 // Universe’s Strongest Couple
>10/13/2024
4-581-221-333 // Dyspo Awakens // Dyspo vs. Toppo (God of Destruction)
>10/17/2024
2-254-240-092 // Hang in There, Yamcha! // Yamcha vs. Saibaman, Nappa, Vegeta (Scouter)
>10/20/2024
3-919-723-475 // Baby’s Rampage // Chiaotzu vs. Krillin, Tien, Guldo, Nappa, Jiren
>10/26/2024
1-560-694-197 // I am Attractive! // Kakunsa, Roasie, Ribrianne vs. Dyspo, Toppo, Jiren
3-509-439-088 // Vegeta vs. Goku?! // Baby Vegeta vs. Goku Black
3-173-237-957 // Vegata vs. Goku?! (updated) // Baby Vegeta vs. Goku Black
>10/29/2024
1-385-263-083 // The Greatest Saiyan of All // Tien, ? vs. Nappa
2-545-717-417 // The Strongest Champions // Free vs. Roshi, Tien, Goku (Mid), Mr. Satan, ?
>11/09/2024
4-032-640-462 // Demon King Dabura Challenged // Dabura vs. Super Garlic Jr., Super Janemba, ?
>11/19/2024
2-675-420-755 // Cell’s Strength // Cell (1st Form) vs. Goku (Mid), Piccolo, Vegeta (Early), Mecha Frieza, King Cold
>11/23/2024
2-394-968-558 // Caulifla’s Request // Goku (Late) vs. Kale, Caulifla
>05/30/2025
3-467-391-109 // Pan's Plea, Gohan (Adult), ? vs. Pan, Piccolo (Superhero), ?

>>529322452
Until he nerfs goku and vegeta for new cast, then it isn't boruto

You LOVE seeing Piccolo sacrifice himself, Bejita sacrificing himself, Goku becoming retarded, Goku forgetting his previous masters' lessons, Gohan becoming angry for the 10th time, a 1-1 recreation of the SS2 transformation, the characters never aging or growing, ect

>>529329019
Neat, thanks, anon.
>>529330227
Nobody cares about your shitty OCs, get over it.

>>529327794
>DB Sai Goku is by far the best part of that manga. Vegeta One Punching his way through early DB didn't interest me honestly.
Yeah, the real highlight was Goku, and the second version going back to early DB was stupid.

>I'll take those too.
I vaguely recall, Bringer of Death, I think that was the name? Vegeta going SS in Namek. Though it's been a long time since I read it so I'm not sure how far the Vegetafagging went.

>Which is stupid because UI hardcounter UE even while ignoring that as an Angel technique, it's better than the GoD's.
It's also weird that fight treated Goku's UI as incomplete, when Vegeta's own UE was even more incomplete.

>I don't remember him fighting Buu, last I saw he was still fighting Piccolo.
The Buu "fight" happened right after the Vegeta one, it was mostly a way to get rid of Buu since he could break the story wide open otherwise.

>Like when it was revealed that Uub'd blow isn't what made Goku go into evil mode but it was actually a defense mechanism because Goku sensed an hyper-threat coming and so instinctually awakened his saiyan memories as part of the process of reaching a new level or something.
I had forgotten about that nonsense... I think it ended with a masked Bardock showing up?

>>529331434
>Yeah, the real highlight was Goku, and the second version going back to early DB was stupid.
I still don't understand that decision. Goku was already OP for early DB, replacing him with Vegeta just make it even more of a non-issue while removing the fun since Vegeta is just grumpy the whole way through.
>Vegeta going SS in Namek
I never understood the obsession with that concept. Either Vegeta gets killed by Freeza anyway or he just kills everyone and goes on to be a space bully until he stumble upon stronger than him and dies.
>It's also weird that fight treated Goku's UI as incomplete, when Vegeta's own UE was even more incomplete.
He really loves making up half assed excuse for why Goku failed at something he'd normally have succeeded at.
>I think it ended with a masked Bardock showing up?
I don't remember that happening, that's the last chapter I've read: https://mangadex.org/chapter/917387bb-1e83-4fe8-a83e-becf48574f4b/1

>>529303031
i don't appreciate the amount of Shadow Dragon arc glaze in this collage. it needs some shots from Super 17 and Baby.

>>529303701
i feel this. that's one of the reasons Z, the old movies, and GT are all in a seperate bracket for me than anything that came after. the look and feel of the franchise never really returned to form again. they Mickey Mouse'd it. i'm not necessarily one of those fans who thinks the series needs to be gory, but i did find it jarring as fuck watching Hero Academia and seeing Bakugo bleed more in one fight than all the Z Fighters have bled combined since 1997–and BHNA is not a gory show. lol

>>529306183
big agree. i like to think it was the same set of writers who kept adding new shit to the DBZ anime. more time spent with Piccolo training Gohan for the Saiyans, Vegeta talking briefly with Super Saiyan Goku & Freeza after his resurrection but before he was teleported to Earth, the driving episode, all the Time Chamber training scenes including Gohan's first glimpse at Super Saiyan, the Trunks and Bardock OVAs, Gotenks first fight with Buu–they contributed all sorts of shit that wasn't in the manga. DBZ and GT were truly collaborative flashes in a pan.

>>529309694
replacer mods work online, but additional content does not.

>>529312169
my brother in Christ, i am not reading all that without some paragraph breaks. you're insane. use your Enter key. lol

>>529333203
You're retarded and have bad taste.

>>529333372
>Asking for reddit spacing
Cringe newfag.

>>529316874
Based

>>529315378
Reminds me why I dropped Legends after the last Dokkan x SDBH collab, when I realized DBL was only gonna keep circling the canon drain instead of branching out into What-If material.

>>529333846
'What if' is the wrong term for what you want. What you want is original generation stuff.

>>529333373
you bootlick super, you have no room to speak

>>529334124
I have this room and I'm speaking in it. Thus you're wrong in addition to having bad taste.

>>529333982
>What you want is original generation stuff.
What you want is gold*.

What ifs are lame and just end with 'everyone dies' if you put any amount of logic in it.

We love AUs here

>>529333982
what's original generation?

It's interesting to see Goku getting hitched to different women from other franchises in art and fanfics. Like Makima or Kokomi.

>>529337801
It's spin off original content. Like in Super Robot Wars where the protag and his mecha is an 'Original Generation' character surrounded by crossover characters.
Shallot for exemple would be an 'Original Generation'.

>>529338046
>or Kokomi.
Which Kokomi?
>Makima
The one from Chainsaw Man? I don't get that couple honestly.
I got a soft spot for Goku x Usagi.

>>529336646
DBL isn't a manga, though. it's just a gacha game, and i'm not gonna keep grinding and pulling for Ultra Instinct Goku and Super Saiyan Vegetto because they made a couple cool animations for them. i didn't even come back for the new U6 Girls duo unit, cause i already have the old one.

>>529338228
>Which Kokomi?
The one from Genshin Impact. Fic is called Deluge of Simplicity.

>>529338731
Make sense I guess

>>529336984
Its funny how close we were to this if tori's editor wasnt a huge shipfag

>>529338082
oh, i didn't even want spin-off original content. i just wanted them to start dropping SDBH content into Legends. i don't need new spin-off content when the old spin-off content is unrepresented peak. lol

>>529339318
That's a good looking SS4 Vegito, gotta say.

>>529339318
Heroes wasn't what if either for the most part, it was mostly Original Generation too.

>>529339543
ayy! i love how Super Saiyan 4 looks on him. he's one of my Sparking Zero mains thanks to the guy who made the big Limit Breaker collection.

>>529339618
that's fair, i understand what you're getting at.

So that rights legal battle is still going on right?

Do you guys think it’ll end before one of the major VAs pass away?

>>529341279
>So that rights legal battle is still going on right?
Unknown. Iyoku keep showing up at events and saying they have stuff in the work and Sandland just got a TV slot but Shueisha has made no statement about CCT or the rights to the franchise.

Bandai and Dimps still believe they can keep Legends and Xenoverse running without having to dive into Heroes territory. And they’re right. It may be a hit, but they’re cozy right now. Why spend all those resources on what-if content and then make it expected when you still rake in millions just recycling the same shit over and over?

We’ve got like 10 days until Legends’ conclusion to their “biggest” anniversary ever, and if the last two parts were anything to go by, the new character is going to have a recycled model from its LF, the animations will either be worse or reused but in different angles, and it’ll still make more than both parts because it’ll be OP as shit in PvP.

Same thing goes for Xenoverse 2. Yeah, introducing Super Saiyan 4 Broly or making a storyline about Zamasu stealing GT Goku’s body would probably be the franchise’s highest point this year, but what’s working right now (as it has been for 10 years and counting) is a character turning purple and the DLC having a bunch of shit you can give your CAC because that’s all that really matters to the playerbase.


I think we’ve got a good few years of this drought before we start seeing anything cool, and if a new movie or tv show comes then the clock is going to reset

>>529342672
>Xenoverse running without having to dive into Heroes territory.
Xenoverse is it's own thing, it has no reason to dive into Heroes stuff.

>>529342990
Same for legends. Neither of them have to take anything from heroes, they can make their own what-if scenarios, and their own takes on things like SS4 Vegito or Buu absorbing Janemba.

>>529343473
All of Legends's story is already original stuff since it's about a time and space tournament and you had stuff like Shallot training with the Ginyus and becoming friend with Appule of all people.
They just haven't made 'custom' cards outside of Shallot yet.

>>529343819
>time and space tournament
>Dragon Ball Multiverse, Fusions, Heroes, ect
Kek

>>529346212
>Dragon Ball Multiverse
Not official and doesn't work like Shallot's.
>Fusions
It's a team tournament.
>Heroes
There's nothing like that in Heroes, at best there's a pseudo-TOP.
>ect
There's nothing else.

>>529303031
For all its ups and downs, there's still just no worthy substitute for the original DB/Z/GT trilogy. That's the "holy trinity" if anything, and the soulless modern tripe pales in comparison no matter how much some segments of the fanbase want to pretend it's more valuable just by default.

>>529348938
>some segments of the fanbase want to pretend it's more valuable just by default.
Literally nobody agree with GT being any sort of 'trilogy' with Super and it's widely considered the worst part of DB outside of the last bits of the Heroes promotional anime.

>>529342672
reasonable and well rounded take, even if i very much wish people would stop supporting these games *just enough* to incentivize dipping into Heroes. especially Xenoverse, because there's already perceived overlap and i think it would truly be a shame to see the Heroes' setting fade into obscurity now that the arcade game's over.

>>529350041
That's my opinion, I don't care about others or what is popular opinion

>>529350041
>With OG and Z, that role going to Super*
My bad.
>>529350105
Why did you bring up 'some segments' then?
>>529350054
People don't want them dipping into Heroes tho. Most people outside of Japan don't even know what Heroes is.

>>529350203
>Why did you bring up 'some segments' then?
Because its just a segment

>>529350236
>Because its just a segment
It's most people.

So literally what's the logic and reason for shueisha blocking video games from adding dbs manga forms?

>>529350383
They don't. Video games just don't know who to ask about it and nobody, Shueisha included, even knows who has the authority to allow that or not at this point.

>>529350658
ofc shueisha has the permission to do that, they literally own the manga

>>529350845
But they don't know if they own video game licensing for the franchise. If you don't have the video game licensing, you have no legal authority or permission to tell someone they can put something in a DB game or not.
Trying to do it anyway is illegal and could get them sued

>>529350845
>>529351216
Also they don't 'own' the manga. Toriyama's estate / family owns it. Shueisha has publishing and licensing rights for it, that's different.

>>529350658
Didn’t the bleach game end up doing TYBW before the anime?

>>529351771
I don't know but Bleach isn't in DB's situation where the anime and video games rights are contested so nothing should stop them from adapting whatever they want in any way they want.

>>529351771
they literally released without most of tybw content kek
also thge game literally didn't work on pc

>>529348938
>DB/Z/GT
>Including Grand Turd in there
I implore you to watch that garbage again.

>>529350658
>>529351216
Wait how is this possible? Wouldn't contracts mention video games in some way? I remember hearing something about DBO only having the rights to manga stuff plus Bardock.

>>529356351
Contracts are only valid as long as Shueisha maintain the video game licensing rights, which are contested by CCT.

>>529357592
But even before CCT was created we had manga characters and forms in limbo.

>>529357816
They were just not a priority over the anime stuff back then.

>>529339318
bros... i think i'm glad they forgot the Fusion Bug in the bag...

>>529361450
They didn't forget, an attack took off Goku's bag. Same reason they couldn't heal midfight with the leftover medibugs.

Toriyama canon designs for non canon things are always worse

B-b-but the fusion bugs... pansy, glorio, Arinsu, Yamigami, neva, marba, Majin Kuu, duu, gomah, third eye, Degesu, the power pole, revive bugs... You didn't like it?...

>>529361654
>Same reason they couldn't heal midfight with the leftover medibugs.
Once everyone else were aged back into adults they could have healed by asking Dende, but they forgot.

>>529355103
cringe faggot
I watch it again and I like it all the way through
>>529361908
nah

>>529350203
>People don't want them dipping into Heroes tho. Most people outside of Japan don't even know what Heroes is
What a shit argument, that doens't stop them from adding Heroes content into gacha games.

I don't see how someone who could claim to be a fan of Dragon Ball say they like Toei's bad fanfic

>>529365124
When you have no standards shit looks gourmet.

>>529365124
so I guess you don't like GT,Daima,Super,Heroes,all Z movies?

>>529365221
Clearly
>>529365407
Did I stutter?

>>529365516
OG dragon ball is slop compared to super kino

>>529362146
Majin Duu, Majin Kuu, and Stephanie Nadolny were my favorite parts. the kid versions of the characters were also adorable. that's about all i have positive to say about Daima, though. oh, and it was well animated. i wish Super had looked like that.

There's a reason nobody cares about OG dragon ball

>>529314849
>Super changed the status quo harder than anything that would be required by End of Z, literally the only status quo 'change', EoZ would have is Uub is around and is Goku's apprentice.
And it still changed the status quo less than any saga since Red Ribbon.

>>529312169
Why would you need Dragon Ball with new cast when One Piece, Naruto etc. exist? Why not just go all the way and create an entirely new story inspired by Dragon Ball instead of getting bogged down by setting details from ages ago? It's nice for CaC games, but there's no point to a show or manga like that.

>>529360336
The conflict didn't start until 2023. In particular, there was a 3+ years period of drought between Broly and Super Hero. And still nothing happened, not even Heroes or gacha. Withholding the manga-only characters is a deliberate choice and thank god

I'm installing a very legal copy of sparking zero and I have a few questions
>Did the brand new update really break most mods? I wanted to install some heroes stuff.
>Are there mods that actually add new music? All I've seen are replacements so far
And most importantly
>Do you need mods to do ai vs ai? I don't remember being able to do it at launch but maybe they've added that in an update

>>529370379
of course, it's a deliberate choice cause putting them in games means finding voice actors and animating them, basically all things they want an anime series to do first

>>529373593
Even manga-only forms never got in.

>>529374198
but manga only attacks did, manga only forms like super saiyan black, ultra ego, black freiza and controlled super saiyan broly probably will never get in because they can't acknowledge the story behind those forms meanwhile in black's case it's probably because his rose form is too iconic while the super saiyan one means nothing it just meant he was starting to figure out Goku's power like how Ginyu in some quests can use the super saiyan transformation we'll probably only get it once everything else is green lite, which could take years and years, as for Black and Ego they'd have to acknowledge the granola arc and they don't wanna do that just like why Goku can't use Ultra Instinct at will because he didn't learn how to do it in anime canon yet

>>529374482
They don't need to acknowledge a thing, they don't need to add anything to storymodes. Some characters are just there as units to use. I think it's more reasonable to assume there's a broad ban on manga-only forms and characters than try to find a specific excuse for every single exclusion. We even have a funny example with SSG Vegeta who never got in until he appeared in Broly.

>>529375569
The ban is there because the Super manga is in a weird place in the canon hierarchy. Until the rights dispute is settled, they can't even begin to contemplate where it belongs. Hopefully, they all agree to continue pretending it doesn't exist.

>>529376768
No one has ever cared about how things fit each other for the games. Sometimes non-canon stories are weaved into the narrative, sometimes they're treated as a separate thing, sometimes they alternate realities, sometimes they don't appear in storymode and just give characters, it's whatever. And again, the manga-only character/form exclusion goes back in time to wall before the dispute. Though of course I agree it's best if it's buried and forgotten.

>will never have super saiyan blue golden Cell where he just stacks different forms from his types of dna
it... hurts...

>>529377013
My god, how many times are we going to do this? Just because you don't agree with answer, doesn't mean it's not the answer.

>>529377062
Celldorado Blue is simply too perfect for this world

>>529377486
Your answer makes no sense though.

>>529377905
only to you

>>529376768
Anon I know you are a genuine retard but if videogames cared about canon no anime content would have ever been added to the games until BoG, and Heroes wouldn't have been a thing.

>>529379051
Again, the Super manga is in very different circumstances... my god...

>>529379515
I don't know what else you have told the other guy but here >>529376768 your excuse is "it's in a weird place in the canon"
Videogames never cared about canon. In fact, videogames rarely, if ever, touch canon (like pic related, based on the actual canon DB manga). Your post was wrong, accept it and stop making excuses.

>>529365546
A single arc of the original dragon ball clears super shit

Give GT this: they had the one new form and stuck to it.

>>529393008
No they didn't, they replaced it in its debut arc, it's just that it sucks so fucking much you even forgot the replacement existed.

>>529393008
idk if sticking to a form for 2 arcs counts just because it was cancelled

>check gamebanana for s0 mods
>assholes paywalling their shit
Why do anime games always attract these people

>>529393538
>>529396385
Are we doing some technicality bullshit where we're counting Goku being de-aged as a form?

>>529396385
>just because it was cancelled
It had good ratings and sold well in BD
It was literally always meant to be short and the ending was written before it started

>>529398580
Super Full Power Saiyan 4 is classified as its own form.

>>529409874
What? No. GT had noticeably poor ratings overall. The ratings peaked in the Black Star Dragon Ball hunt and steadily declined. It was a substantial decline from Z, and even the merch was noticeably less of a hit than Z's. I don't get why you people have to lie about this kind of thing, especially since the truth is so easy to find.

>>529412178
the ratings peaked in the black star dragonball hunt? I genuinely think that's one of the worst arcs in all of dragonball, I genuinely don't get what people see in it

>>529412360
They peaked in the sense that the rest of the show started circling the drain afterwards.

>>529412591
I may think the baby arc has issues but it was way better than black star, at least it felt like something was actually happening most of the time

>The series' average rating share was 14.6%, with a maximum of 19.7% (episode 2) and a minimum of 9.6% (episode 21); Dragon Ball Z's average rating share was 20.5%.
Looked it up. It's even worse than anon implied. Its biggest episode couldn't even match Z's average.

>>529413098
In retrospect this kind of makes sense. Before super I remember people who actually watched GT kind of hating it. Most of its like comes from videogames and comparing it to super after that came out because blue is an easy target

>DragonBall
>Average: 21.2%
>Maximum: 29.5% (Episode 047)
>Minimum: 13.7% (Episode 110)

>DragonBall Z
>Average: 20.5%
>Maximum: 27.5% (Episode 218)
>Minimum: 12.1% (Episode 273)

>DragonBall GT
>Average: 14.6%
>Maximum: 19.7% (Episode 002)
>Minimum: 9.6% (Episode 021)

Full context for all series. It shared the same timeslot as DB and Z, and continued on right after Z ended with no breaks (episode 1 aired the week after Z ended). Unlike modern Dragon Ball it has no significant competition from another Jump series, there was no One Piece or the like, like when Kai and Super were airing. Fans at the time just did not care much for it when GT was airing.

>>529414395
>GT's worst rated episode is during the rildo arc
Huh, I thought it would've been during one of the less interesting shadow dragon fights or something

>>529414686
I would speculate that viewers were bored of the series premise by then and General Dildo and the like were just a lame villain group.

>>529415165
Speaking of the premise, something that I've disliked is the myth around the original dragonball hunt. It's lauded as this onthologically perfect bit of the original series when it's honestly the weakest arc. It's not bad mind you it's just kind of things happening. But people keep parroting that it was great to the point where it almost feels like OGDB is defined by its first arc and nothing else matters, which is why we get things like GT and Daima which try to recapture the magic which I don't think was really ever there in the first place

>>529415473
One of the first smart things I have seen people say here. The first arc is the worst one in the manga by far.
Pilaf < Baba palace < 21st Tenkaichi Budokai < RRA < 22nd < 23rd < Cell < Buu < Saiyan < Namek

More granular context:


Black Star Dragon Ball Hunt

Average: 15.1%
Maximum: 19.7% (Episode 02)
Minimum: 9.6% (Episode 21)


Baby

Average: 15.0%
Maximum: 16.7% (Episode 35)
Minimum: 13.5% (Episodes 23 & 25)


Super 17

Average: 14.1%
Maximum: 16.4% (Episode 41)
Minimum: 11.8% (Episode 46)


Shadow Dragons

Average: 13.6%
Maximum: 18.9% (Episode 64)
Minimum: 11.3% (Episode 53)

There was a very noticeable decline in ratings over the series lifetime. Only the ending got any significant bump up in viewership, and it was still below even Z's ending.

>>529415905
I genuinely don't understand why almost the entire fanbase has seemingly gaslighted themselves into thinking pilaf saga is this perfect arc to the point where we've repeated it twice now. Not even saiyan saga's gotten that

>>529415165
>General Dildo
FUCK I meant Rildo

Planning to get Sparking Zero while it's on sale
As far as I understand, there's no way to buy individual characters from the DLC, only whole packs? So if I wanted to play as OG Goku or Gloryhole, I needed to get the whole Superhero/Daipa pack or one of the overpriced special editions?

*snfl* *hic*

>>529416113
You have to remember that by the time GT came out it was 10 years straight of weekly Dragon Ball. Zero breaks at all from episode 1 of the OG Anime to end of GT (wish we could have this today). The Japanese are more picky than us westerners and got bored of it.
GT being garbage did not help either. They likely saw the first few episodes of the new series, thought "man this shit sucks" and decided to not tune in again. GT got cancelled.

>>529416113
>Maximum: 16.4% (Episode 41)
>Minimum: 11.8% (Episode 46)
The Goku vs Super 17 battle got mogged by the fucking Tournament filler episode? Holy KEK.

This is why he isn't coming to Sparkimg Zero

>>529303031
nice glaze-orama

>>529312169
Isn't there an upcoming Toei movie? Surely it's Dragon Ball related.

>>529417005
>Goku vs Super 17
One of the most retarded fight in the franchise. People forget how subpar all of the fights are. In choreography and animation They are so much worse than Z.
This is a major fight with major plot relevance against a major antagonist in GT: https://youtu.be/aVhYT1YJwlw?si=fPCghkWQgInpfxLv&t=90
This is a minor fight with little plot relevance against a tertiary character in Z: https://youtu.be/spb-HjC2XlI?si=lnUw_dDSKCz598Wi&t=350

>>529415473
>>529415905
There are some glaring weak spots in the original Dragon Ball, but pre-23 arcs all have one great strength and it's this sense of wonder and freedom, a huge vast world full of adventure and cool things before everyone grew so powerful it became harder to justify finding new exciting things. And Pilaf arc has that in spades. The only OG arc that is kinda lacking in adventure and stuck on a single boring storyline is 22.

21 > Namek > Saiyan > King Piccolo > Pilaf > RRA > 23 > Cell > 22 > Buu

>>529417421
I'm gonna be real, anon. I never really thought of dragonball as this cool adventurefest, I just really liked the fight coreography. And pilaf saga has some of the worst fights in the series if you can even call them that. Like, if dragonball were really this series were people want all this adventure and excitement about going to new places it wouldn't have 4 tournament arcs, three of them taking place in the same arena

>>529416279
It's unironically people who have never read the Manga and listen to Kanzenshuutroons. There were no "good old adobencia" days. It was pretty boring.

>>529361908
Trvke

>>529414395
That's still high average, it's literally only 5% lower than Z

GTfags caught lying about shit again, what a surprise

>>529397203
Blame fucking Smash modders, they pushed for this shit

>>529418520
Didthey? Anyway this stuff gets leaked onto Kemono eventually. Just wait and you'll have your SSJ10 Mystic Goten.
Aren't the S0 character mods just glorified skins? Do they even do more damage or have new moves or animations?

>>529414395
Dragon ball GT DVD sold better than the OG and Z in Japan.

Also, Dragon ball GT was intended to be 46 episodes,but was extended to 64 with the release of Final Bout game

It was always intended to be a short series.

>>529418483
Over a 5% drop on average is huge, especially when the drop from DB to Z is barely 1% on average.

>>529417753
It's probably because I'm one of the very few people here who didn't start with Z as a kid, I just read/watched everything in order starting from the original in my late teens. So I think I don't I have this inherent Z bias. I'm not saying this to be elitist but I definitely understand people who prefer adventure, there was something really magical in early Toriyama even if it was underwhelming/anticlimactic at times.

>>529418483
>>529418994
And here comes GTfag cope. The numbers tell a clear story, you just don't want to hear it.

>>529419154
I didn't actually start with Z, though. I just had a rough cultural osmosis of what dragonball was until I sat down and read the whole series as an adult

Explain why Dragon Ball shifted to fighting.

>>529419584
It sold well and Toriyama caved easily under editorial pressure. /thread

>>529419669
>Toriyama caved easily under editorial pressure
Lie
Goku x Bulma not being a thing
Goku growing up being a thing

>>529377062
>>529377628
You guys forgot Orange.

>>529420257
I wish chichi wasn't made a thing, she just doesn't really add much to this series at all

>>529415473
>Speaking of the premise, something that I've disliked is the myth around the original dragonball hunt. It's lauded as this onthologically perfect bit of the original series when it's honestly the weakest arc. It's not bad mind you it's just kind of things happening. But people keep parroting that it was great to the point where it almost feels like OGDB is defined by its first arc and nothing else matters, which is why we get things like GT and Daima which try to recapture the magic which I don't think was really ever there in the first place
It's almost like a lot of OG DB fans haven't read OG DB...

>>529420257
Goku x Bulma wasn't backed up by good sales or pretty much anything aside from Torishima's headcanon

>>529418894
I remember faggots like DemonShityerX8 and Mastakucklo doing paywalled mods since the Smash 4 and Xenoverse 1 days and all those grifters from the Melee side jump in on it too when Ultimate dropped, which was causing some huge drama from people for or against this.

they're still doing this type of shit nowadays
Uncle Punch Training Pack? Gotta get it on Paymetons
Wanna make Echo Fighters slots in Ultimate? Back this ko-fi to get it early.
Want this Moo-Moo Farmsn tanned bikini slut Palutena costume? Back this super high tier on Paymetons, hop on to discord, ask the faggot what you want and wait until the next month to get the once public mod.
Old DSX8 Smash 4 mod you liked? Paymeto- oh wait DSX8 is a pedo groomer so you have to swallow your pride and hunt his ass down for it or find an archive then pray to Osamu Tezuka it still fucking works.

>>529419584
TL;DR: Money

>>529419024
THey're still good ratings, why are you pretending its unwatched mess?
Super has 3-5% viewership and 100 bd sales. If not for streaming it'd be the biggest flop of DB history.
>>529419332
The numbers tell what im telling, GT DVD sold more than Z and OG btw.

>>529421182
If Japan hate kid Goku so much why do they keep rehashing kid Goku?

>>529418994
yet another win for final bout

One day all the people who grew up playing Final Bout will die and we can stop pretending it was good

>>529422031
Because Nipponese execs are just as inept and nepo babies are western execs.

>>529423080
I played Final Bout and it was shit. I do not get the hype. The intro was cool.

>>529423080
There are people who think that piece of trash is good? I used to like it as a kid, but that was back when I liked about anything with DB's name in it.

>>529420809
One on hand they are spending their free time making something for others to enjoy. On the other hand they're making money off of someone else's work.

>>529421832
Of course you default to "BUT SUPER!" Its the biggest cope you have. If you need that context, too, consider the following: Super exists literal decades, plural, after Dragon Ball finished, in a different, worse timeslot, in a time where TV audiences shifted substantially, and still had enough popularity to cause a literal international incident. More people were watching the finale of Super than were watching the finale of GT because of that fact.

The simple fact of the matter is that GT did objectively worse in the same timeslot that Z and DB had. DVDs were a novelty when GT finished airing, and sales of them are after the fact and irrelevant to TV ratings. You are coping because the numbers hurt your feelings.

Why is it the biggest GT glazers weren't even alive when GT aired?

>>529421832
Here's another number for you, one I'm sure you're intimately familiar with: 41%

>>529430710
That's very familiar to super faggots considering the rainbow hairs on there. It's even made by LGBT toei

Gay Trannies will always deflect to "BUT SUPER" because they have no other arguments.

>>529430634
IIRC, It got reran on Nicktoons during the 2010s.

>>529436373
Can vouch
They shilled GT hard too.

>>529431604
at least gtfags don't pretend gt is better than the og or z, unlike super niggers who say its better than the original dragon ball (that they haven't watched) or better than iconic z fights

>>529439851
>>529436373
Wait what the fuck really? I was alive when Kai was airing and don't remember any GT. Was I too young?

>>529442964
Parts of Super are definitely better than some of the less good parts of the OG. I haven't watched it in a white but I would say the ToP, GB, BoG, and maybe U6 were all better than the Pilaf Arc. RoF is unredeemable garbage.
Namek > Saiyan > 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai > Buu > Cell > King Piccolo > ToP > 22nd TB > BoG > GB > RRA > 21st TB > Baby > U6 > Daima second half > Shadow Dragons > S17 > Baba Palace > Pilaf > RoF > Daima first half > Black Star Dragon Balls

>>529445128
>Parts of Super are definitely better than some of the less good parts of the OG
No

>>529442964
If I can prove otherwise, will you leave?

>>529443797
My old apartment neighborhood area at Stuart, FL had free cable for everyone, we got to watch some GT after middle school.
We kept making fun of that one episode where they pull Goku's tail out of his butt as if they were trying to physically deconstipate him.

>>529442964
>at least gtfags don't pretend gt is better than the og or z
We can literally scroll up and see otherwise.
>>529445128
Trash taste.

I like GT but I also like Z, OG, Super and Daima!

>>529457774
Me too.

>>529443797
Nicktoons was on the premium pack that most people couldn't afford. Kai on the other hand, got aired on both CN and whatever was left of cable.

>>529457774
Based

>>529431604
we literally do not need one, because our show looks and feels like DB and DBZ in a way that digitally painted, flash animated, flanderized DBS never will. we were grandfathered in and there's nothing anyone can do about it, except to try and get a job at Toei and produce another anime with the same vibe as DBZ and DBGT.

>>529462678
>we
There's literally just you.

>>529457774
Finally, a real DB fan.

>>529397203
>>529420809
do live in a third world country where $10 USD is like 1,500 rupees? Bamco wanna charge the same amount (or more) for lower quality content, so i hope you haven't bought the SZ season pass, Future Saga DLCs, or Shallot either. lol

>>529397203
check Kemono.

>>529420809
So you're mad they aren't working to give you things for free?

>>529463110
>>529465215
Nobody's paying for your shitty mod, give up.

>SHIT SHITmmel is begging to SHITeisha to finally let SHIToei adapt the SHITnga so he can get more work
https://x.com/DbsHype/status/1939868705477071179

Fucking LOL, this fucking guy is pennyless.
Also some literal who anime eceleb died weeks ago.

>>529465215
Gonna defend literal Smash pedo bullshit because you're a paypig? Be my guest.

>>529466942
>"I think the story on Super is just fantastic"
He was held at gun point to say that.

>>529466942
>CHADmmel is charismatic and makes jokes
>The whole audience loves him
>The whole world(anglosphere) sees him as goku
BASED! He deserves this.

>are Goku and Vegeta being uh groomed?
What did Sean mean by this?

>>529467772
They're both retarded manchildren so any attempt at seduction is grooming

>>529466942
>Ultra Eggo
Toriyama's laughing in heaven.

Isn't he also Sun Wukong in that Lego show?

>>529411543
I honestly want to strangle Dragon Ball fans. Of course it was some dumb technicality, just an even dumber one than I could've fathomed. Same shit as pic related. You guys are why Kamehameha has like 20 different wiki pages based on output or fingers used.

>nobody's paying for shitty mods
>*buys another $25 worth of digital currency for DBL or Dokkan Battle to pull for another Ultra Instinct Goku, because he has a new Legendary Finish*
i sincerely hope you don't do this.

>>529471384
It's not the fans doing it. Official media classifies it as its own form. Only Toei could come up with a name so bad.

>>529471384
>>529472119
Heroes, Legends, Dokkan, guidebooks, technically even the TV series itself names it such.

Technically even Limit Breaker is more properly called "Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker"
English fans simplify it down to SS4 Limit Breaker because the full name is more of a mouthful than "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" and because most barely even consider "Super Full Power Saiyan 4" to be its own thing (even though it is going by official media)

>>529393008
SSJ4 had like 2 variants and SSJ4 Gogeta looked different enough, his form could have been called SSJ5.
>>529471384
>I honestly want to strangle Dragon Ball fans.
Weird kink but OKAY;

>>529473018
>but okay*
I messed up.

I don't care what anybody thinks, I love DBM.

>>529473334

>>529473334
>>529473525
Cringe reddit 'humor', Nappa doesn't act like that at all.

>>529472798
Man, just call it Legendary Super Saiyan 4. It's obvious Broly is in LSS there.

>>529474612
I read it all in TFS Nappa voice and you will continue to seethe.

>>529474936
>seethe
You're the one simping for a failed and canceled youtube 'parody'.

>>529474729
It's not even that though, it's the same form that Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta, Vegito, and Beat and Note get in Heroes.

I accidentally confessed my love to evil 21 when I thought she was the good 21, now she won't let me leave...

>>529475039
>failed
It was the sole reason DB gained any popularity in the west at all in the ten year dry spell after Toonami died.

genuinely delusional

>>529475236
If it was so popular, how come it's canceled like every failure? Couldn't even do all of Z.

I lost to SpongeBob SquarePants...

>>529476694
They quit at after Cell because they think Buu sucks, (they're not in the minority with that opinion.) kek

>>529476787
>We didn't fail, we just didn't want to succeed!
Canceled failure cope.

I enjoy Dragon Ball and I think it's very fun

>>529471384
trvth nvke
if FP SS4 was a real form, it would've been in a Budokai Tenkaichi game

>>529475236
Do people actually believe this?

Super Full Power Saiyan 4 is something Toei insists is real and has ever since the 90s. If you don't want to agree with it, that's on you, but it's as "official" as Super Saiyan Grade 3 & 4.

>>529479913
Based and true

Toriyama personally called up TFS and said
>OOOOH YOUR SHOW VELY FUNNY! MUCH BETTERU THAN MY SHITTY COMIC!

>>529480337
Keep the /dbs/ schizo talk in /dbs/, thanks.

>the only times these threads are moving are:
>when gtfag seethes
>when superfag seethes
>when toyofag seethes
>when dubfag seethes
>when tfsfag seethes
>multiverse panning olympics
grim

>CHADBS

>>529480871
It's not seething and more one guy trolling while the other takes the bait.

>>529481434
>n-no im not seething im just pretending to be retarded i swear
...

I'm actually enjoying singles on Sparking Zero again with the new update, shame that I keep getting the same 2 cocksuckas playing Broly and Ult Gohan though, I want to play different people and have fun.

>>529483591
Isn't PVP in this game only Blue Gogeta, Beastmode Gohan and Nu-Broly because of how overpowered they are? Why would anyone wanna play that

>>529485687
Yeah sadly but with the new patch I can actually have a chance even though I only play Kuririn/Yamcha/Chiaotzu/Tenshinhan/Kid Goku and the Great Saiyaman, it's really fun when I get matched against other casuals just trying to have fun.

Anyone found any DB fangames? Google is being useless.

>>529488745
there's a shitton back then when i was akid, idk if they exist anymore

there used to be some kinda of tenkaichi fan game, but obviously very shitty. it had online and massive maps, played it for a while

Is xenoverse 2 really the only good dragon ball game on pc?

https://x.com/DbsHype/status/1939868705477071179
So both Goku and Vegeta's VA are looking forward for Moro and Granolah to be animated

>>529490612
Would be based if neither arc ever get animated. They were shit anyway.

>>529423080
Listen up kiddo I played that thing as a kid too and I don't know anyone who thinks it was good. The opening was THE shit, one of the best DB themes ever, but the game? Nobody likes that

>>529490612
>shartnga
>dub
ewwwwwwwwwwwww

>>529467384
I would make a joke about burgers being 4.2% of the world but not even all burgers like this guy lmao

>>529490850
>Sheuisha wins
>nothing happens just like before the Iyoku rebellion
>Iyoku wins
>no manga content gets animated because he doesn't want the rights to it
Moro/Granolah aren't getting animated either way.

damn toei actually ddi quite good on Z
Vegetto fight is way shorter and unclimatic compared to the anime

>>529491686
Based
>>529491336
This but unironically.
>>529491397
WTF is that?

>>529492860
Buu saga is very flawed in the manga, especially toward the end, Toriyama was critically burnt out at that point. On the other hand, anime was at its best animation/choreography wise, creating quite a contrast.

>>529493087
The funniest thing is that while the resident toyofag has gigantic Iyoku hateboner, if Iyoku got his way back before the rift, the manga adaptation would be quite likely. I mean "more content" is his motto, and he used to be Toyotaro's boss as a V-Jump's EiC.

>>529463110
I don't buy dlcs for their games
In fact, the only game I've ever bought full price was XenoVerse 1 on release, and I learned my lesson to never do it again
The point here is paid mods are a cancer, and todd/gaben only ever pushed for it because they could profit from them while disguising it as empowering the devs

>>529464138
Yeah that was my immediate first reaction, but the guy in question has some dumb system where you buy posts and then have to dm him on discord with proof because he's so autistic about people pirating his paid mods for a children's anime game
Fortunately it seems like most people have only temporary early access for patrons and not actually exclusive content, but there's a couple that still do that

Regardless though I've gotten a ton of mods, it's fun to see all the nonsense people have made and looks like most mods weren't broken by the new update after all. I wish the ai wouldn't stand around doing nothing when I do CPU vs CPU fights, but it'll do.

>>529493539
Iyoku is a marketing guy, if he wins and see people wanting the manga arcs in decent enough numbers, he'd probably work out a deal with Shueisha to adapt them.

>>529494317
Negotiating after a painful divorce rarely works. At the end of the day, companies are run by people, nothing is "no hard feels".

>>529494647
Shueisha would probably happy to get a foot back in the door of the DB IP

>>529494737
But it doesn't mean they'd be able to negotiate with Iyoku. They'll all have fresh memories of court battles with him. And he'll be mindful of any deals that would give Shueisha any control. My point being, not even companies are rational.

>>529495015
Make sense, if Shueisha was rational, they wouldn't support OP over DB

>>529490861
I like that. Final Bout is fun and better than Sparking Zero, the most overhyped crap that's been there.
>>529423080
>>529424108
>>529426580
Cry.

So fucking based.
FLOPma BTFO.
I wonder why DBSHype didn't post that the first second the results got announced? :^)

>>529497434
Glad you're still mad, thread cumdump.

>>529497754
>no argument
Piece of Trash ma flopped.

>>529497796
So mad, so impotent. Poor thread cumdump.

>>529497434
>:^)
It's so funny knowing you're forever stuck with that mark of shame because of one specific anon's bullying.

>>529497838
There's nothing to be mad for when I'm seeing how everyone is dumping on the pathetic show now that it's forced hype period is over :)

>>529473334
>>529473525
It gets too much hate but this moment is pretty cringe, Frieza wouldn't be goaded by a retard like Nappa of all people so easily.

>>529497928
>There's nothing to be mad for
And yet here you are, super mad. Almost like you don't believe your own cope.

>>529498024
Be nice, it's been months and he has never found a single anon to agree with him. The thread cumdump is just lonely.

>>529480337
This happened.

>>529498094
/dbs/ is that way.

>>529480337
I believe it

>>529498129
Given the instant samefagging, you hit a nerve.

>>529492860
>>529493123
Don't care. There's no reason for Gotenks vs Buu or Gohan vs Buu to be 5 episodes each. The pacing of the anime had been thoroughly destroyed by having to drag out every scene in excruciating detail by that point.

>>529423080
When that happens, the world will be filled with even more soulless microtransation bullshit, DLC for everything, live-service games that get abandoned the second they stop being profitable.

But go on, keep thinking that attacking people who lived in the better days and dared to have fun is a worthy cause to die for.

>>529498547
it's called 'hype' and it's what DBZ was built on. need I remind you it took them 20-ish episodes for Namek to blow up in "five minutes"

>>529423080
You know nobody likes Final Bout because one dude had to reply twice.
I've literally never seen anyone praise it.

>>529498547
>>529499060
5 minutes fights are boring, I miss multi-episodes fight. It was much better both from a choreography perspective and a narrative perspective. It gave more weight to it.

I don't give a shit about XV3, give me DB's equivalent of KOTOR or DAO.

>>529499540
A Owlcat DB game could be fun

>>529490612
i bet they are. they're not making dick right now doing video game VA work. lol

>>529497434
>couldn't even get a Mickey Mouse win after the author fucking DIED
rip daipa

>>529500795
Keep your scat babble in your containment thread

>Retard still seething at Daima's award and nomination try to pretend the nomination itself wasn't already a win.

>>529501163
Nice armpits

Am I the only one who noticed that the third eye's weakness sound like an old school 'Hit the weak spot 3 times' video game thing? It would make sense with the demon realm clearly being inspired by old RPGs.

>>529501525
a lot of people have pointed it out.
Toriyama forgot he was working on dragon ball not DQ when designing Gomah

>>529490612
Why are they looking forward to something that won't exist? Shueisha and Bird Studio are still in legal delberation and I doubt they've come to an out of court settlement this quickly. With how rapidly AI is advancing to the point there are already some dubs out there entirely AI generated they must be sweating hard that their jobs are about to be remembered completely non resistant soon. It won't happen as quickly in other countries but America is basically run like a corporation and cutting out people to have AI do it is much more profitable for them and American consumers will pay for it more likely than foreigners will.

>>529501878
It's pretty clear to me that the DQ and Sandland vibe was very much on purpose.
Dabura was basically ripped straight from DQ himself after all. Same for Babidi.
Hell, you could say even Devilman was pretty close to the demons in DQ in addition to being a Devilman reference.

>>529499060
>>529499192
The two fights I mentioned have no weight, they're a waste of time in-universe and in the story. Making them longer just makes them more of a waste of time.

And the fights that do have weight like Goku vs Frieza didn't benefit from being dragged out more than they needed to. I remember losing count of how many times Frieza says something some variation of "I'll kill you stupid Saiyan monkey" during that. Characters repeating slight variations of the same few phrases like retarded NPCs doesn't benefit the story, it makes their words and actions have less impact because it's literally just there to pad out the time and no other reason.

If DB ever got in Super Robot Wars, who should be DB's reps?

>>529502076
>are about to be remembered completely non resistant soon.
You should at least read your own posts to check what text-to-speech blurted out for you

>>529502087
>didn't benefit from being dragged out more than they needed to
Absolutely wrong. Goku vs Frieza left a legacy on this world BECAUSE of it's length.
If it was a 2 or 3 episode long fight people would forget about it and move on.

>>529502203
Pirate Robot, Dr.Wheelo, and Pilaf gang are some good picks

>>529473334
>>529473525
>>529474936
>(T)ranny (F)aggot (S)hit

>>529503532
There's a nice spot between being a short fight and being ridiculously long. And saying its length is it only notable feature is doing every other aspect of it a ridiculous disservice. Kai cut it to 12 episodes from the original 30 by just removing all the padding. That's an average anime season for a single fight, good enough to be notable without going overboard.

>>529504245
>Pirate Robot
100% a mob unfortunately

https://skeb.jp/@tengaikemono/works/117
Funny

>>529504245
>>529504353
Could also have Jaco, Lemo and Cheelai since fighters / ships are also included in SRW sometimes.
Anilaza could also make it in.

>>529504648

>>529504778
Slug in his giant form too similarly to Devilman.

>>529499095
Take your meds amigo

>>529504648
Poor boss.

>>529505014
Cope

>>529504858
and soon your burger ass is gonna need an id to view it too

>>529505372
i'm yuro though

>>529505421
yuros already need an ID to use the internet

>>529506012
that's not true though

>>529506108
https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/european-digital-identity_en
try and buy a phone simcard without giving your name and address, see how far you get.

>>529505421
You're likely already on it

>>529506405
yeah that's a completely different thing, you don't need that to use the internet. Hell it's not even actually needed for the stuff they say it's needed

>>529509365
>it's optional
until the majority of businesses and government orgs stop supporting the non-digital alternatives. surely you aren't this dumb as to fall for the same bait and switch AGAIN.

>>529510816
so you think "digital = surveillance" and "non-digital = non-surveillance" somehow? Idk how it works in whatever country you're from, but nothing changed since whatever form of technology has been adopted: they always asked for your shit (aka name and address at least) when you want to do stuff, even before computers. Should a service provider provide a service without knowing who the fuck you are or where you live (especially for service that specifically need to know where you live cause you need them in your house)? Are you gonna complain that the mailman knows where your house is?
Dragon Ball

>>529510816
>you need to do this
>You don't.
>yes, check this
>Yeah, you don't.
>BUT YOU WILL OKAY? YOU WILL
Meds.

>>529511241
>digital = surveillance
yes. thanks for confirming you are stupid.

>>529513490
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Biggest-threat-EU-Council-leaders-want-to-ban-anonymous-SIM-cards-10326735.html
drink bleach, faggot.

>>529514257
literal nothingburger and no elaboration whatsoever, just say you don't know what you're talking about and be done with it. Or even better, actually put out your piece so we can all get out of this hopefully more educated and insightful instead of reverting to "NO FUCK YOU YOU HAVE TO INSTANTLY AGREE WITH ME"

Sparking Zero what-ifs sucked shit compared to this game

>>529514257
I'm sorry you are mad the mailman knows your address.

>>529518370
>>529516192
>so what if the state knows everything I post and can trace it directly back to me?

>>529518827
That's the point, it's not like that. Maybe you have proper argument in your head but what you're saying is that you want your isp to give you internet access without you telling them what's your name and where you live, leaving them to figure out on how to actually give it to you. If you want to be on the grid then you have to be on the grid, you can't be both in and out. Like maybe you're arguing they should be leaving it open for anyone to just access it, but you know full well it's full of niggers out there that would just hog it and push everyone else out like the niggers they are. Hell i routinely read of people whose mail gets stolen by randoms out of their porch, how do you figure any kind of system can work anonymously with people like that around?

Are you liking the anniversary so far? I think the last new units are a little weird honestly

>>529518827
>so what if the state knows everything I post and can trace it directly back to me?
But enough of the CIA

>>529500989
contain these nuts, hoe ass nigga LOL

>>529518827
>the guys who have to use a VPN to pirate a random movie think the goverment tracks people in other countries because you need an address if you wanna get mail or a phone
Lmao

>>529501163
Note is pure!

Why do people pretend Super isn't going to incorporate anything from Daima?
Just look at One Piece, Oda is already bring some Strong World stuff to the latest chapter.
>uhh because they retcon it via unexplained introduced thing.
Not an argument. Stuff like Jaco, Jiya, and the last couple movies had continuity issues and were already incorporated in OG/Z and Super just fine.

>>529534993
as it is now the only real issue is Goku keeping SS4, if they had said Goku didn't know how to do it again everything else is minor enough to be handwaved.
But that's just how it is now, there's nothing actually stopping them to go like Super 2 and Goku uses SS4 saying "i had forgot i could do this hahaha"

>>529516192
>literal nothingburger
You know the nothing ever happens meme is just to make fun of people's in-actions & iterally brushing off something that's likely or is to be happening, right?

>>529520995
Goddamn it, Iyoku. Did you lose another FighterZ match with TOBY of all things?

>>529534993
Because Super got purged in favor of Daima. Though as you said, Daima incorporated some Super elements already (multiple universes), and there's nothing stopping them from adding some more as they continue.

>>529535506
Do you know how in the Kim Possible movie finale, they gave Kim a special power suit that pretty much renders her as overpowered, but, in the extra season, the writers threw in a nerf by saying the suit's got jammed up for a temporary time as an excuse to make sure the episodes aren't total sweeps?
>Inb4 Okay but in Dragon Ball terms
Remember how Kaioken and UI had extreme tolls to the point it's never brought up again until way later? Like hell, we didn't get to see Kaioken again beyond the anime filler aside SPECULATION it's been repurposed as a passive attack booster for the x10 Kamehameha in GT. Once they introduced SSB, they just immediately brought it back and canonized the 10-fold Kamehameha as a Kaioken-related attack application.

They'll definitely do something like this. Could be established in the next DBS chapter or Daima Season 2.
Maybe they'll drop in some backstory over how SS4 was a saiyan form used by the evil saiyans of the past and ssg was a different branch of super saiyan used by heroics, but the nameks had to step in and seal off any attainment for SS4 at a genetic level and assure the saiyan ritual remains a mere legend.

>>529521423
>those eyes
You would never see this kind of INHUMAN display from the likes of Krillin

>>529537589
i would argue that they could've done that right there and then, just have Goku saying "yes bejita i thought i could do it yada yada but i feel like i can't anymore" and then like Neva says "yeah i magick'd it cause you can't actually do it on your own without a tail, did you rike it?" or something like that and it's done. It's like the next logical step to do SS4 in the first place, but idk i feel like they just went "yeah nobody will ever see anything wrong with this! Nobody will care!" knowing full well the fandom is to this day still foaming at the mouth over shit like power levels
it's just tone deaf methinks, i want to believe it's Toriyama's doing as he never cared about any of that but still

>>529493123
Yeah they actually made it a lot better
vegeta speech againist kid buu isn't even canon kek

>>529534993
Oda is not whatever the hell the Dragon Ball IP has going on. He's the creator of a still ongoing manga and occasionally creates concepts to be used for movies.

>>529539203
Huh?

>>529541374
I'm talking about when he gets beaten by kid buu

>>529534993
>>529537589
I just wonder how they'll excuse Goku using both SSB and SS4, since SS4 is probably weaker than god forms, and SSG and SSB have no real weaknesses. Of course, there are situations where Goku uses yellow forms, but in those cases he's not going all out.

It's just a weird situation where Daima introduced a new form at an earlier point of the timeline, so it's weaker than god forms... It'd be like if Goku got SS1 at some point, but then a prequel published later gives him Kaioken.

They could have them both with the same level of power, which will allow him to use them both interchangeably I guess... There's also the theory of him stacking SS4 with UI to have what is pretty much SS5.

>>529549201
>SS4 is probably weaker than god forms
I will never believe this. Divine anything is shit. SHIT!

>>529541523
I wish Goku's bite attack was in the games lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1i1ZCpJkDA

SS4 Daima Goku is weaker than Buuhan. The only sequel to never surpass Buuhan is Daima.

>>529541374
>>529541523
That's not his speech, I'm talking when vegeta gets beaten up by kid buu then stands up

Is that rumor about sparking zero getting sequels true?

>>529554909
gonna take a long time but obviously, why wouldn't it? it sold 3m in three days and 5m in less than a year

>>529556586
>why wouldn't it?
Well if they pull a Xenoverse 2 with it, a sequel for Sparking Zero just not happen at all while the game is milked forever.

>>529303031
I loved GT too. SSJ4 was the best

>>529557552
Honestly I might prefer that, if new additions are substantial enough
But I don't think we know of anything coming after the second daima pack, right? They might go the sequel route instead to add the missing characters, some new story modes, etc.
I hope they don't just abandon the game like they did with world mission after giving it a few updates

>>529557552
xenoverse 3 is going to happen mate
at this point they don't have games to make in other genres

there's barely anyone who plays or buys xenoverse 2 dlc
they're already making a new one 100%

>>529559170
... anon kept saying for the fifth year.

the one i really want for it to follow the old "game 1>game 2 is game 1 but better>game 3 is game 2 but better (or at least with more content)" formula is unironically kakarot

>>529559426
Its true, i just hope namco puts a big budget for it

who am i kidding, they'll give it a shoe string budget and cut a lot of content + never add crossplay or good netcode

>>529534993
There's no 'incorporation', it's the same continuity to begin with.

>>529559732
>never add crossplay or good netcode
They could remove multiplayer entirely and I wouldn't give a shit. Same for the 'roster'.

>>529560593
pvp i agree but xenoverse fun is on the coop and pve online
solo its fun too but online is also fun

>>529560710
Fair enough. I just think Xenoverse would be infinitely better if every update and DLC that just added to the roster had been about the story and CaC mechanics, it would be a much better game.

>>529550108
Based on what criteria do you say this?

>>529549401
You can say Super Saiyan 2 is stronger than 3 and you would be just as wrong.

>>529549201
SS4 is multiversal level, god forms are worthless next to it.

>dearhbattlestard
Sasuga

Super Saiyan 4 GT Goku is weaker than base Vegeta (Moro arc)

Remember

>>529563026
Careful the GTfag will try to use inconsistent power scaling to prove otherwise

>>529563026
It's even more pathetic because base GT Goku is much stronger than BoG Base Goku. SS4 is a tiny multiplier compared to SSG.

>>529563026
Do people really need a graph to get that? God was clearly framed as a new level of power in the franchise as a whole, both in-universe and out-of-universe.
>>529549201
>but then a prequel published later gives him Kaioken.
I don't see the issue with that, it's just logic that the power up in a prequel is weaker than the power up later in the timeline. Didn't Z do that with False Super Saiyan?

It's funny how GTfag will try to downplay how strong Goku and Vegeta got but twist everything he can to make "everyone" in GT stronger than Super Buu, even when the series says some like Trunks slacked off on their training and got weaker over the years (and then he jobs to a pile of bricks).

Sexual attraction to Goku leads to truly deranged behavior. Sadly it is a terminal case in this instance.

>>529563026
Don't worry GT Bros
In 2uper, Goku will inexplicably remember Super Saiyan 4 from Daima, which for some reason will combine with one of the godly powers to become the strongest form

>>529563646
More than powerscaling slap fighting, what stands out to me is that they'll switch up between 'They got too strong, the scaling make no sense!' and 'They didn't even get stronger, they are weaklings!' with no real consistency.

>>529563956
>Sexual attraction to Goku
Everyone is attracted to Goku, he's OUR HERO!

>>529563646
>and then he jobs to a pile of bricks).
GT and Super both have terrible anti feats. From Goku struggling to lift a building to Bejita struggling to lift 1000tons to a fire hydrant withstanding the force of a slap to Broly not destroying the Earth when rampaging uncontrollably.

This is the problem with power scaling, lack of consistency.

>>529564212
No, he's my WHORE.

>>529563970
i mean heroes had Goku Black in some kind of SSGSS3 right? I can see them going that way, that's a gorillion more toys to sell

>>529564319
>Bejita struggling to lift 1000tons
This ignore context, he wasn't lifting an inherit pile of rocks that weight 1000 tons, he was lifting an equal weighting 1000 tons who was pushing back and thus had the advantage because his weight was a force multiplier.
>Broly not destroying the Earth when rampaging uncontrollably.
You missed the point: Even while losing his mind, Broly was fundamentally a good guy. That's why he didn't actually harm anyone. Even Freeza stopped getting beat up once he stopped moving, the novelization even explicitly say it.
Also generally even rampaging characters still have survival instinct, that's why Oozarus don't just blow up the planets they're on.

Goku just isn't that handsome.

>>529564956
Bulma disagrees.

>>529564706
If Bejita could destroy the universe or a planet by now, lifting a 1000ton sentient rock shouldn't be that hard.

>>529565042
Bulma is objectively a slut.

>>529565150
Sluts know what they like. Son Kun is handsome. Bulma and her mother said so.

>>529564956
>>529565042
So does Princess Snake too.
>>529565117
Not when the 1000 tons sentient rock is also capable of destroying the universe and using that level of power to push back.
10 units of Ki power x 50 kilos < 10 units of ki power x 1000 tons is the basic logic of it all.

>>529565150
So she knows what she's talking about.

>>529565117
Allow me to fix your brain: If Godzilla has close to the same power level as Bejita, and Bejita tried to lift Godzilla, he would struggle to do so.
Just like Goku struggled to get out of Monkey Bejita's grip, even though Goku had been training in high gravity for months and could easily move objects weighing mant tons.

>>529565241
>>529565425
>>529565616
I don't trust the opinions of sluts. Goku isn't handsome. He's just not.

>>529565856
Sounds like someone's jealous.

>>529565641
People tend to forget DB is the same manga where the deciding factor in a fight between two moon busters was the length of their legs.

>>529565641
Why the fuck does the random metal man have the power to destroy the Universe. You're telling me there's a whole planet full of them too?

>>529565951
Who would be jealous of Goku?

>>529565856
Explain all the girls fawning over him the first time he shows up in a city then.
>>529566013
>Why the fuck does the random metal man have the power to destroy the Universe.
Same reason a random monkey man has that power?
>You're telling me there's a whole planet full of them too?
Just like there used to be a planet full of saiyans.

Bejita finds Goku handsome too. He thinks about CHADku in the shower.

>>529566013
>Why the fuck does the random metal man have the power to destroy the Universe
Why does a random monkey man? Why does a walking penis? Why does an ugly bug? Why does a smug lizard?

>>529566158
To be fair, it must have been a shock for him to meet a saiyan with a big dick, it's like finding a gorilla with a big dick.

>>529566119
There were like 2 or 3 Saiyans capable of exploding a planet on Planet Bejita. Having a fill planet of Universe busting creatures reaches the realm of absurdity and inability to accept what's shown.

Liar... Goku has a tiny dick! I've seen it!

>>529566472
>There were like 2 or 3 Saiyans capable of exploding a planet on Planet Bejita.
But even the weakest could vaporize a moon, even the non-fighter engineer guy in DBS Broly.
>Having a fill planet of Universe busting creatures reaches the realm of absurdity and inability to accept what's shown.
Nobody ever said such a planet exist. That's like assuming every Saiyan is as strong as Vegeta when he fought Magetta.

>>529566472
You're making some leaps in logic there.

>>529566538
Princess Snake said otherwise and they had to use a boulder to hide it.
Puberty is a thing, anon.

>>529566649
Aren't we talking about how weird it is for there to be a planet full of metal men who can destroy Universes?

>>529566909
No? There's no such planet. There's just ONE specific Metal Man who can destroy the universe as far as we know. Just like the only U7 saiyans who can destroy the universe are Goku, Vegeta and Broly.

>>529566909
Why do you assume a PLANET FULL of them instead of a rare individual of notable power?

>>529567112
They would have stated if he was a mutant or something.

>>529567207
Why would he need to be a mutant? Goku isn't one and neither is Vegeta.

>>529567207
No? They wouldn't have? Your assumption is ridiculous.

To be fair, a whole planet of universe destroying beings who lose all their powers the moment they're called a faggot is 200% something that Toriyama would write.

>>529567409
They stated guys like the Ginyu force were mutants. They didn't do enough in making the fighters beside hit feel like special one of a kind creatures.
>>529567362
Then they could state all of these guys were groomed by the gods to be as powerful as they can or something. They gave us nothing to work with besides "here's 5 guys and they look generic. Also they're as strong as Saiyan Beyond God Goku because kek"

>>529567763
>They didn't do enough in making the fighters beside hit feel like special one of a kind creatures.
Well, how about being selected as one of the 5 strongest representatives in the entire universe? Like, wtf, how does it not scream "this one is special among his people" to you?

>>529567678
Yeah. Rewatching Dragon Ball, that is something Toriyama would do, i feel. Strong and cool fighters losing in the most funniest ways possible. It's weird how most people forget this.

>>529567763
>They gave us nothing to work with
They literally gave you Magetta having an equal beam clash with Vegeta's final flash.

>>529568165
Arale constantly get owned like that too and own people like that all the time.
Mashirito's final defeat was literally him overpowering Arale at a tournament only to get sucker punched by Obotchaman in drags.

>>529558686
They could make a musou, but that seems more like a “filler” game they shit out right before a big one, like Breakers.

There also isn’t a mobile ARPG like the My Hero and Bleach ones. We definitely need one of those.

>>529568165
>>529568425
Janemba's reality breaking barrier literally broke because Paikuhan kept insulting it.

This is why Toyotaro overexplains things. Dragon Ball fans need every single fact laid out or it breaks their minds.

>>529568092

>>529568704
No, vast majority of fans don't give a shit. You're interacting with terminally online nerds which are hardcore of the hardcore. Toyo seems to be like that too, that's why he targets the group.

>>529568704
Even when they do that like in Daima, 'people' still don't get it and cry about it.
>>529569009
This is sadly who the franchise seems to think represent DB fans sadly. I agree most people get it without needing to be spoonfed but the minority won't shut up and in such a big fanbase, it still mean a lot of people whining.

>>529563026
GT happened after Z, SSJ4 is after Z and Super in timeline. Therefore SSJ4 >>> all god forms and UI

unless you can give an example of goku getting weaker and using weaker forms in arcs for no reason

>>529569397
>unless you can give an example of goku getting weaker and using weaker forms in arcs for no reason
That's literally what happened in GT.

>>529569009
This is the truth. The only people here are those that deeply care about the smallest most insignificant shit. the average fan wouldnt remember who magetta is.

>>529569397
>GT happened after Z, SSJ4 is after Z and Super
They take place in different timelines. Literally every piece of media agrees on this.

>>529569295
>This is sadly who the franchise seems to think represent DB fans sadly.
Not at all. That's why it's literally just Toyo who overexplains stuff. And Kakarot, I guess.

>>529569295
>most people get it without needing to be spoonfed
Kek! Absolutely wrong. The most retarded takes come from this group.

>>529569708
>They take place in different timelines. Literally every piece of media agrees on this.
Super is pre EoZ. GT is after EoZ

what are you talking about ?

>>529569708
More than timelines, they outright take place in different continuities. As far as Super is concerned, there is no GT and vice versa.

>>529568704
>>529569009
>>529569295
This is also why GT has such vitriolic apologists online. They had years of it being the last piece of official media, they could memorize the facts, they could explain away the plot holes, they had the answers to every question one could ask. And then a whole new thing with Toriyama's name on it comes out and contradicts all they thought they knew, there was something bigger and "more canon" that was unfamiliar, there was new lore that they didn't know and even couldn't know all the answers to.

>>529569948
Super contradicts a lot of Z canon. And Daima also contradict eachother

The only canon is the original manga

>>529569948
blud, don't bring your obsession into this

>>529569948
>even couldn't know all the answers to.
You need to be really dumb to not be capable of answering most stuff in Super, it's pretty straightforward.
Then again, most of DB is and people still get it wrong.

>>529569889
So Daima retconned GT for good? Goku got Super Saiyan 4 in Daima, and could do it as a child. He can't do that in GT.

>>529569889
>Reddit page
>Interpreting the image incorrectly
This isn't saying they're all connected. It's just a timeline of everything.
>>529570058
This is the ultimate truest truth. The original manga is all that matters and everything else is an optional fanfic sequel.

>>529570171
>Fanfiction
>By the original author
That make no sense

>>529570165
Based Daima.

>>529570286
>>By the original author
Toriyama probably had 10% input in super and 20% in daima. It's all marketing bullshit

>>529569397
Goku uses base and Super Saiyan in GT even in situations where 4 would make more sense.

>>529570412
Random guesses that contradict what he said himself.

>>529570323
>kills Super and GT with one stone
The savior of the franchise.

>>529570569
>shits all over gt and super
based daipa

>>529570569
>kills Super
GT fag really tried to sneak that cope in.

>>529570554
>Random guesses that contradict what he said himself.
The anime and manga are very different doesn't ring a bell?

Also Iyoku marketing Daima by saing "he had the most contribution to it compared to other properties"

Toei changing the entire super hero movie by adding gohan? Canonizing Broly and Gogeta, characters he didn't give a shit about, most likely because he was asked to by toei again

Retcons on top of retcons. Contradictions between Daima and Super. What do you call this shit?

GTfag is proving >>529569948 's point

We're never going to see a normal SSJ ever again will we? just a diarrhea of colors and SSJ4
fucking grim what DB has become.

And now the cope begins

>>529570905
We get normal SS all the time. It's the default transformation for starting battles. Might as well complain about 2 and 3 too.

>>529570713
>What do you call this shit?
You being retarded.
>Toei changing the entire super hero movie by adding gohan?
That didn't even happen. Toriyama was asked if he could include Gohan and he said yes, Toei didn't change anything.

>>529570905
>We're never going to see a normal SSJ ever again will we?
Goku used SSJ all the time in Daima and Super, what are you on about?

No you see, new BAD and everything old will be replaced

>>529570713
This isn't a game of clue, Toriyama said something, your take contradicts it and Toriyama's word is worth more than yours.

>>529561076
NTA but the difference between SS3 Goku Mini and SS4 Goku Mini doesn't seem to be big at all, SS3 was doing a good job at first, and you could even argue it was nerfed by SS3 drain while SS4 wasn't.
Then SS4 Goku Mini jobs to Gomah because the later powered up, but SS3 Vegeta (adult) styles on him, again only losing because Gomah powers up while the SS3 runs out of energy, and then Goku goes adult SS4 and doesn't beat the crap out of Gomah in the spot and even fails to punch him three times on the back of the head. There's just not much of a difference between SS3 and SS4, the difference from mini to adult is bigger (and that didn't make Goku much weaker anyway, considering SS Goku Mini did better against Tamagami 3 than Dabura ever did).

Now Boohan was Super Boo (at least stronger than SS2 Gotenks, given SS3 was required) plus Gohan (about as strong, if not stronger than SS3 Gotenks) plus Piccolo, Goten and Trunks (let's say equivalent to SS Goku), he was certainly stronger than stacking up SS2 Gotenks and SS3 Gotenks. Given the official multipliers make SS3 four times stronger than SS2 and eight times stronger than SS, that means Boohan is stronger than five SS2 Gotenks or TEN SS Gotenks... And SS Gotenks alone was already SS3 Goku tier given he was the warrior sent to beat fat Boo.
Easy math tells us Boohan is at least ten times stronger than SS3 Goku was in the Buu arc. Do you think less than a year of training back on Earth and such a marginal different in power between SS3 and SS4 is enough to make Daima Goku stronger than Boohan? That's utterly ridiculous, even if Daima Goku was twice as strong as Goku was in the Buu arc he would still need a form *five* times stronger than SS3 to reach Boohan's level, and you would have to be insane to think or pretend Daima SS4 is so much stronger than SS3.

>>529573487
I think you forgot to factor in the power boost Goku would get from fighting under the heavy air and adapting to it. It seems to have worked like a form of gravity training.

>>529573834
>Headcanon
He just doesn't have any statements of feats at all. Daima Goku is the weakest Goku from all of the sequels.

>>529557552
Considering everyone agrees Sparking Zero flaws are just a matter of getting a little more here and theer (more maps, more clothes, and maybe more moveset variation with costumes too) I think everyone agrees this would be the ideal sceneario.

>>529565856
Shut the fuck up Vegeta

>>529574035
>I was only pretending to be retarded!
Boring

>>529573834
So getting used to training under heavy air and less than a year of normal training on Earth makes up for Buuhan being at least 10 times stronger than SS3, and SS4 not being that much stronger than SS3? lmao

>>529574665
Goku got more than 10 times stronger on the way to Namek in a few days, anon.

>>529574665
I think you're vastly underestimating power jumps in DB.
Also that would explain why Goku is the strongest in BOG instead of Gohan.

>>529573487
Now THIS is the autism I like

>>529574974
>>529574729
Okay but we need definitive proof, not random speculation.

Why would Vegeta's sacrifice attack in Super not kill him there too, why are they implying he used the exact same attack at the same exact potency as if he's not a million times stronger

>>529574729
With zenkais he no longer gets you mean? Training in harsh conditions unlike those before Daima? Using a method he never ever repeated again?

>>529574974
I think you're vastly overestimating power jumps from normal training in DB, a 2x power up from the Buu saga would make SS Goku as strong as his previous SS2 self

>>529573487
>>529563026
>SS Vegito is way stronger than ten SS3 Gokus
>SS3 Vegito would be way stronger than E-I-G-H-T-Y SS3 Gokus
>SSG is stronger than that
Pretty embarrassing for furries lmao

>>529576516
Base GT Goku is around the strength of old SS3 Z Goku. This Goku in SS4 is STILL weaker or equal to Buu Arc Vegetto. Him and Oozaru Baby gets to around Kid Buu+ (GT is in Anime world where Kid Buu is the strongest) level. This makes SS4 a tiny multiplier compared to the SSG one.

>>529576516
>>529573487
SS4 compared to SS3 is less impressive than SS2 to SS honestly so I would say the opposite Daima Goku would need to get over 5 times stronger than in the Buuarc for his SS4 to even reach Buuhan and all that in less than a year since Daim abeings with Trunks' 9 birthday party

>>529576228
>With zenkais he no longer gets you mean?
Toyotaro only nonsense and I didn't mention Zenkais

>>529576228
>I think you're vastly overestimating power jumps from normal training in DB,
I'm not, there's no instance in DB where timeskip training didn't get massive gains.

Arale >>>>>>>>> Zeno btw
canon by toriyama

>>529577096
I like the GTard gospel of base GT Goku being SS3 tier because not only it's not really true since there are many Buus (two of them weaker than SS3 specially the one living on Earth for 15 years by the time GT happens) and Goku needed SS to fight the guy "stronger than Buu" but also because it only makes SS4 look worse, all comparisons rely on base Goku's own power while SS4 is still unimpresive
It's like saying Ozaru is SSB tier because the Ozaru boost made Broly able to fight SSB Goku. No bitch that's all Broly's base power the multiplier he's using is still fucking shit

>>529573487
>he was certainly stronger than stacking up SS2 Gotenks and SS3 Gotenks. Given the official multipliers make SS3 four times stronger than SS2 and eight times stronger than SS, that means Boohan is stronger than five SS2 Gotenks or TEN SS Gotenks... And SS Gotenks alone was already SS3 Goku tier given he was the warrior sent to beat fat Boo.
I feel like this is making a massive number of assumptions based on how Buu's absorbsions work. Consider just how big a difference in numbers a simple doubling would be. Purely hypothetical numbers time: suppose Buu was at 4 billion, and Gohan was at 5.5 billion. Massive difference in power just from that alone. But if Buu jumps up to 8 - 8.1 billion, that's an even bigger jump in power than what existed between Ultimate Gohan and Super Buu. Then you have Buuhan, who would be something like 9.5 - 9.6 billion by this logic, a huge difference in power... but still less than Vegito, who could be 15 billion or more on this scale, for sake of argument. That's plenty for this to "make sense" without relying on these massive multipliers.

>>529577621
Goku didn't get zenkais after Namek in any instance and yes you did mention zenkais because you mentioned the training on the way to Namek which was exclusively
>train hard in heavy gravity until you are about to die, heal, get stronger (zenkai)
And nothing like this happened between Buu and Daima

>>529577806
Nice headcanon but if a x2 power up for 1 year on Earth was feasible Buu arc SS Goku would be what? Over ten times stronger than in the Cell arc? Given he did training in the overworld for 7 years. Now if you read or watched DB you would know Majin Vegeta (exactly as strong as Goku if using the same forms) needed SS2 to surpass SS2 Gohan (Cell Game). If Goku (and Majin Vegeta) were as strong as your logic dictates just SS1 would be leagues above anything from the Cell arc lmao
But sure Buu arc Goku only needed a year to become like 10 times stronger or some bullshit like that just because you can't accept Toriyama's SS4 isn't even close to SSG kek

>>529577832
Then with a lowball GT Goku's base is SS2 Mr Buu level. No matter what it is it gets blown the fuck out by Super anyways.

>>529577096
>>529577832
It's even more funny since we see actual proof that some characters in Super are stronger than SS3 Gotenks in base. Copy Vegeta one-shots SS3 Gotenks, and even if you lowball it with Gotenks being only around the level he was at in the Buu saga, it still means this Vegeta could one-shot nearly the entire Buu arc. And this is before all the extra training he got leading up to the Tournament of Power on top of everything else.

>>529578705
Yeah it really doesn't change much honeslty, the moment Goku dismissed fusion but thought SSG was worth a shot GT was doomed, even more so with SSB, its multiple variants from the manga, the anime's KK stacked version and form even above SSB and then UI Sign, Orange, Beast, Ego, full UI...

>>529578676
>No, I know your argument better than you
Cope
No, I didn't mention Zenkai and Goku's training gains were attributed to training, not Zenkais.

So how strong is GT Pan?

>>529578676
>Over ten times stronger than in the Cell arc?
Given that he got SSJ2 and 3 in the meantime, yes, very easily. It's not a headcanon, it's what we see in the show.
Your 10x would be the smallest time skip boost in the entire franchise.

>>529579965
Android 20 tier

>>529579965
Strong enough to bully Gero.

>>529579965
she can defeat any man...

Pan is the second weakest Saiyan besides Bra.

>>529580409
That's... not even remotely true? Raditz, Nappa, Bardock, King Vegeta, Tarble, literally the rest of the Saiyans on planet Vegeta?
Hell if we go by this logic >>529580179 >>529580295 Pan is many dozens of times stronger in base than her dad was when he was her age and literal tens of thousands of times stronger than her grandpa was at the same age.

>>529580852
They are all dead or not in GT's timeline. At the moment of GT she is the 2nd weakest Saiyan.

So if Pan ever went Super Saiyan she could one-shot Buuhan?

Isn't Pan stronger than Trunks, not counting Super Saiyan?

>>529581043
That's not what you said though, you've changed your qualifier. And again, many dozens of times stronger than an equivalent Gohan was in base.

>>529580372
Prove it!

Pan!

>>529578676
Zenkais weren't even a thing while Goku was training on the way to Namek.

>>529582191
Forma de sans Padre

>>529579965
She was close enough to Goku that she could kill a Shadow Dragon so she's basically third below him and Vegeta.

>>529534993
bro... Super is finished. Toriyama's fucking dead. at best you'll get some Toyo Ball that people will treat just as sincerely as they treat DBGT due to Toriyama's absence. lol

>>529582191
I could take her in a fight

>>529582651
Proof?

>>529582896
I am the main character and have indomitable human will

>>529583142
>human
Made for Saiyan dick

It's been awhile, how is everything? I got all my stuff moved over to this olad and at first I thought it was awesome but it doesn't seem all that unique and on top of that the internet problems started up again once the festival started so perhaps the servers are just fucking old at this point. I like the new outfits through I'm a little torn on patty's alear looking cosplay I could chagne Belmod's clothes for caulifla's since purple compliments red white and blue pretty well but at the same time it doesn't look as pleasing, meanwhile I find it odd the camera on Poi was allowed to get this close without bliping her out of existence and finally Pat's outfit feels incomplete for some reason, thoughts?

>>529583142
You? Main character? You're not even a side character. You're one of those extras that get added in the background alongside the furries. At best you have a mildly recognizable T-shirt you wear, like the fan of The Super Saiyan.

>>529583425
>It's been awhile, how is everything? I
Same old, same old. Glad you managed to transfer your save.
I like the top outfit honestly.

>>529541143
Oda's timeline isn't splintered all to hell, either. And I don't even like One Piece.

>OG timeline: DB > DBZ
>OG+ timeline: DB > DB Movies > DBZ > DBZ Movies
>OG+ timeline (featuring DBGT): DB > DB movies > DBZ > DBZ movies > DBGT > DBGT movie
>original DBS timeline: DB > DBZ > DBS > Super Broly
>nu DBS timeline: DB > DBZ > Daima > End of Z > DBS > Super Broly > Super Hero
>Heroes timeline: DB > DB Movies > DBZ > DBZ Movies > DBS & DBGT & Super Broly (divergent timelines) > DBH > SDBH
Plus the DBO timeline, which even I know fuck all about, the DBS MANGA timeline, and Xenoverse.

That's a huge part of why I think the franchise needs a 5 year break to reassess itself and settle on 2 or 3 continuities–max–to tell stories about going forward. Though that would really be more like 3 years to reassess and reevaluate, then the remaining time to actually start production on whatever their next project is. A big Dragon Ball comeback in 2030 with a clear and definitive style & direction would be KINO. Bumbling forward with more of the same for the sake of maintaining momentum is just gonna get us more goofy villains and transformations, and a wonkier timeline.

>>529583642
Nah, I'd win

>>529584559
Prove it!

>>529583845
Why thank you, I like it alot too, it looks really good with Beast activated through I don't use that awokening as much anymore because of start up time

>>529579829
The narration outright states it was zenkais sucks to be you and know nothing about DB I guess

>>529585730
Zenkais weren't even introduced at that point.

>>529579829
>>529582251
Zenkais were very clearly explained as the reason Goku got stronger in his way to Namek you pair of retards.
Why do you try if you simply have no fucking idea what you are talking about you filthy animals?

>>529580106
>given that he got transformations
Stopped reading here. We are talking about base form power, the transformations are a separate thing you dumb fuck. Base Goku (Buu arc) isn't ten times stronger than base Goku (Cell Game) and base Goku (Daima) isn't five times stronger than base Goku (Buu arc).

>>529586164
Lmao >>529586417
Retard

>>529586417
>Stopped reading at the point where even bare minimum with known data I was wrong
Cope.
>Base Goku (Buu arc) isn't ten times stronger than base Goku (Cell Game)
He's more than that since he went from being unable to do shit to Perfect Cell to being unafraid of Dabura, who was stronger than Super Perfect Cell.
>I am not wrong and what is shown and said isn't true!
Cope

>>529586417
>>529586661
>Narrator: Goku's power is increasing thanks to his training!
Thanks for proving me right I guess?
This is the same level of cope as trying to pretend the Ultra Divine Water was secretly a Zenkai boost.
Especially since even if you were right (you're not), it means nothing since Goku never stopped having Zenkais outside the DBS manga's version of the Black arc.

>>529586985
>thanks to his training of almost dying and recovering from death (zenkai). Which was introduced a couple chapters before with Vegeta vs Zarbon rematch
FTFY now get new bait or read the manga for once, you animal.

>>529586417
>given that he got transformations
Just like Daima Goku, making that very relevant.

>>529586802
>he went from having SS and being weaker than Cell to being more trained and having SS, SS2 and SS3, making him overall stronger than this guy simply said to be stronger than Cell
>"that means his base form is over ten times stronger than when he fought Cell!"
Stop eating beans.

>>529587608
>Goku was totally gonna use SSJ3 against Dabura!
>Stop being right
Sorry your shitty headcanon has no basis in anything.

>>529587239
>It was totally that other thing that wasn't even a thing yet, ignore what the narrator said and his direct mention of training! The ultra divine water was a zenkai, stop baiting me!
Man, your delusions aren't even funny. 10x would literally be the smallest time skip boost in the entire franchise, let alone actual active combat.

>GT fag is mad that Daima is stronger than GT too

So, odds are if we see super saiyan 4 daima on CACs it's likely gonna be Breakers since they can only have that ofrm in Goku's pants meaning the devs dont have to worry about the legs, sadly Breakers is probably gonna die soon, they abandoned the story pretty quickly, the playerbase is pretty small now and the gacha incentives are even more predictor than anything xenoverse 2 could ever dream of.

>>529588112
Never said such a thing but I'm glad you had to resort to something so absurd, really shows you no longer have any hav argument for your retarded claim of base Goku being ten times stronger than he used to be and thus only needing basic SS to one-shot someone like Cell Games Gohan

>>529588402
Honestly it's a miracle Breakers even lasted that long.
And yeah, didn't the story only have like 2 chapters?

Either all of you are really good at trolling or we have genuine retards here

>>529588560
>I didn't say the things I said and won't own up to their logical conclusion so I'll just throw a tantrum and say you're a meanie
Sorry you never watched DB and forgot Goku getting million of time stronger in the year between the start of the saiyan saga and the end of the Namek saga.

>>529588725
>we have genuine retards here
I mean we do have you, anon. That's for sure.

>>529588561
It had 3, a chapter for great ape vegeta, the ginyu force and perfect cell. it was acting like the temporal seems were not a natural occurance and someone was creating them, the cross promotion with xenoverse 2 makes it seem like these seems are happening because of Fu because we've had a few PQs where the results of his experiments with ultra supervillain mode have led to things like Freiza, Cooler, Janemba and Meta Cooler gaining the form and a dozen or so alts of Future Trunks all beating up each other.

>>529588287
>keeps LYING about zenkai not being a thing yet and babbling about water
That page is from chapter 270. This one is from chapter 268. Explaining the concept of zenkais just before Goku abuses them with his "I'm gonna almost kill myself every day" training as the narration says.
Why do you even try? I know you are a dumb animal but you have been caught already, just lie down and die, rat.
Just joking, I know not even you can be this stupid, I just felt like giving you a last (You) as I prove you wrong again, just in case some poor ignorant is dumb enough to believe zenkais weren't introduced when Goku abused them.

>>529589215
I had never heard the english DB before seeing a video of the Breakers story mode where the youtuber had it on for some god forsaken reason. I have no idea how DB got popular in the US with such shit voice acting.
>a dozen or so alts of Future Trunks all beating up each other.
My god, even his alternate versions are fuck ups.

>>529589265
>Self own
>I proved you wrong!
That's just sad. Funny how you didn't address the part where even if you were right (you're not), Goku still gets Zenkais anyway.

>>529588725
Expecting americans to understand multiplication is indeed asinine, they do think the transformations Broly uses are stronger than SSG after all.

>my fictional character is stronger
t.30 year old men on 4chan

>>529589265
The irony of calling someone dumb while claiming GOKU can't become 10x stronger in a year.
As if he didn't get 100x times stronger over the course of the TOP's 40 minutes.

I'm gonna pour gasoline on this shit show and mention something

You know how that emon guy Goku fought that he overloaded with energy to beat? why didn't that kind of thing work on Doctor Gero when he grabbed people when it worked on Android 19,the concept of the body not being able to handle the power was used again with both the moro and the granola arcs, Moro killed his own brain because his body can't handle the power of ultra instinct, Gas was killing himself by drawing on more and more power from the wish, Granola gave up a hundred and fifty years of his life for his power and only had 3 years left to live he may already be dead if he didn't reverse the wish and Broly and Super Hero hd them strong yet weak, Broly in his right mind under that power is a match for Beast Gohan who is right up there with ego and instinct goku and vegeta

so why is it that sometimes this concept is played straight while other times it's ignored like Daima, Gomah is no warrior and was constantly getting pumped full of power by the third eye during his bttle through it didn't seem to have any adverse affects on him.

>>529588809
Dafuq did I do I am not even in this convo nigga

>>529589838
>You know how that emon guy Goku fought that he overloaded with energy to beat?
Because he eat light, at some point your stomach is full and burst.
>why didn't that kind of thing work on Doctor Gero when he grabbed people
Because Gero absorb the energy and convert it into his ass and the gap between him and Vegeta wasn't THAT massive. If Beerus was the one who threw an attack, Gero would have probably been overwhelmed
>Toyotaro only stuff
It stopped making any sense the second you could wish to become stronger at all instead of just unlocked dormant abilities. The entire arc is purely based on nobody thinking to wish for eternal youth before using the cheat wish.
>so why is it that sometimes this concept is played straight while other times it's ignored
Different abilities work differently even if the concept is similar. That's basically it.

If Android 21 had actually gotten the win and absorbed everybody there how strong would she had become?

Or rather, what would happen if good 21 had vored bad 21? I always wondered why they never tried that

>>529590330
>If Android 21 had actually gotten the win and absorbed everybody there how strong would she had become?
It's hard to know because everyone was dependent on the player to fight at all and the weird waves thing equalized everyone and we don't know how that would affect the absorption.
>Or rather, what would happen if good 21 had vored bad 21?
They'd probably reset to their pre-split self and the cycle would repeat.
The weirder thing is nobody using the DBs to wish 21's hunger away.
Hell, her hunger is seemingly Buu induced, maybe he could have had a solution too.

>>529590114
>Dafuq did I do
Nothing, it was just a good set up to say that.

>>529588725
it's genuine retards. there's no other explanation for the constant "uhmm akshually" posting in this thread.

>>529590592
I think they just wanted her to have a problem so they could justify killing her off if she didn't turn out popular,turns out she's popular but not break the bank popular otherwise she'd of been in Sparking Zero already, I've no idea what the end roster for that game is but Shallot is there it's only fair that 21, Hacyyack and Bonyu get in to represent old school DB games, FighterZ even through it's dead now and Kakarot

>all this because she can't accept SS4 Goku is weaker than the big boys from Super
Lmao

>>529591370
>turns out she's popular but not break the bank popular
She was but Arc Sys had a falling out with Bandai so having her around outside her Vomi form is probably a legal headache nobody wants to bother with.

Think they will give the date for the last Daima pack tomorrow?

>>529591370
Shallot is a minimum viable product ad for DBL, not a fan service addition. his inclusion doesn't imply anything about the possible future inclusion of other OC's, except maybe that we shouldn't expect them to come with transformations, costumes, or stages. :skull::skull:

>>529592584
Would be nice.

>>529592085
>SS4 Goku is weaker than the big boys from Super
That's not true? My Super Saiyan 4 Goku can keep up with Ultra Instinct.

>>529593546
I would say
>Heroes
But that's not even SS4 kek

>>529593546
That's Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker.

>>529593546
Lost to SSJB.

>recolors bad!
>except recolors I like, they are the strongest!!!
GTfag logic

>>529593546
>Heroes fanfiction
>Different Goku
Kek.

>>529594327
>>529595487
neither GT nor Heroes are canon, so that doesn't really matter.

>>529594836
still puts it above Super Saiyan God.

>>529594502
i just call it Limit Breaker Super Saiyan 4. i'm not a wikitard.

>>529596783
>still puts it above Super Saiyan God.
Yeah, SSJG + SSJ4 is gonna be above just SSJG. Doesn't change SSJB was stronger.

>>529563435
>I don't see the issue with that, it's just logic that the power up in a prequel is weaker than the power up later in the timeline.
It does make sense, it's just that if we get 2uper Daima, and Goku now has both god forms and SS4, SS4 will now be redundant unless they buff its power or add weaknesses to god forms so it has uses, otherwise it'd be just "That form he's using when he has to put effort, but not enough to use god forms".

>Didn't Z do that with False Super Saiyan?
Not exactly, the movie actually came out before Goku went super saiyan in the manga itself, about a week earlier IIRC, and the movie treats it as actually super saiyan, but later they had to retcon it via databooks since the actual super saiyan isn't just "Kaioken with yellow aura".

Movie itself was weird too since when Slug goes giant, Kaio says he's even stronger than Freeza, which can imply Goku fought and maybe killed Freeza without SS... Though the real reason is simply to hype up Slug, and the movie was written before the battle ended (And depending on when the movie started production, might've started it around the time Vegeta was getting ragdolled by the Recoome).

>>529573487
>>529576516
Stuff like that is why I think making the transformations have such large multipliers is completely insane, and I can understand why Toriyama personally wrote SS1 like a 10x multiplier.

Freeza really caused power levels to go too far. Goku used Kaiokenx20 on him and it only hurt a 50% Freeza, so "logically" SS1 has to be around twice as strong or more to surpass 100% Freeza... It's insane.

>>529581297
I don't remember any statements or feats that put her above him. Her highest feat is grabbing Gero and him not managing escape it. Though it's not like base Trunks fights... I'd say he's meant to be stronger because he's an adult, but Pan can look stronger since base Trunks jobbed to bricks, and I'm not even sure he did anything in base later save for helping Goku and Pan kill Rildo.

>>529593546
>Goku Xeno, not Goku GT or Goku DA at least
>not SS4 but UFPS4LB
>not UI but Sign
GTards are beyond salvation.

>>529596783
It's not a wiki thing that's what Heroes calls the form.

It's hilarious how they made Limit Breaker to compete with Super top tier forms (when we already reached UI) and yet when the Vegitos teamed up Limit Breaker Vegito Xeno was made comparable to Vegito Blue (with a ki barrier lmao)
At least the equivalent team up with the Gogetas had Gogeta use SSBE instead of plain Blue but still, it's really sad

>>529596949
>I don't remember any statements or feats that put her above him.
Man I wrote that before I remembered Trunks jobbing to bricks, and forgot to edit that out. Now I look retarded.

Do you think SSJBE can be mixed with Kaioken?

>>529596939
i'm glad we agree.

>>529596960
>word semantics because i didn't write -Sign- after Ultra Instinct

>>529597181
>wojakcryingbehindhappymask.png
somebody got triggered. lmao

It's wild that niggas will call you out on your name for adding a J to the Super Saiyan abbreviation, but then they'll also go outta their way to write the longest possible acronym for LBSS4. Crazy work. lmfao

Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker is the official name, it's what is on the cards in Heroes
It's stupid but it's official

>My favorite DBS form? It has to be Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. No, not the red one, that's Super Saiyan God. The proper name for the blue one is Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan–abbreviated SSGSS. It's stupid but it's official.

>favorite
GTfag...

>>529597818
>It's wild that niggas will call you out on your name for adding a J to the Super Saiyan abbreviation,
I don't, it's the correct abbreviation.

He's coping pretty hard

>SSGSS: it's what is on the cards

>>529598834
Nobody is denying that it was called SSJGSSJ, it's just called SSJB now. Meanwhile you're coping that Super Full Power SSJ4 is called that.

>>529568525
Why would we need another gachaslop?

>>529599159
NTA but I'd want it so we get cool animations like the Neji one.

>>529598219
Yeah? You can call it SSB, too, since it's an official nickname for the form. Both SSGSS and SSB are correct, official and canonical.
Do you feel better about your unofficial name for UFPS4LB now, bro?

>>529599159
>usually better looking than next gen anime games
>gradually builds a bigger roster
>gradually builds a bigger story
>generally offers more and better side content
>faster at releasing new content, no waiting a year for Super Saiyan 4 Daimaku like you are for Kakarot
You sacrifice a few animations and have to put up with the gacha system, but in return you get a game that offers more characters, more costumes, and usually a better told version of the story depending on the quality of the studio producing it.

>>529597592
>"semantics" is when you refer to two forms by the name of two other different forms so you can pretend the weakest of the four is even close to the strongest one

>>529599241
If China wanted to make a good DB game they would have done it by now. I will give them this, it’s pretty cool that they tried starting with early DB, but the Strongest Warrior is still hard to watch let alone play.

>>529597420
It didn't happen in Heroes not even with their love for cheap marketeable forms, Vegetto always used Kaioken and Gogeta always used Evo, so doubt it

>>529599063
>>529599491
The core point isn't that you should call SSGSS by its original name, it's that you're retarded for acknowledging it's preferable to shorten SSGSS to SSB, because the original name is unnecessarily verbose, while also insisting on using an even longer name and acronym for LBSS4. Your behaviors contradict each other.

>>529600126
The point is that SSGSS and SSB are correct and official names. There's no official form named SS4LB. Therefore, SSGSS and SSB are correct, while SS4LB is incorrect.
Got it, retard?

>>529600323
So you're admitting that, if Super Saiyan Blue wasn't an official title, you would still be calling it Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and abbreviating it as SSGSS?

>>529600126
It doesn't contradict anything since your version isn't any of the form's official name.

>>529600628
see
>>529600504

>>529600670
>>529600504
Are you really pretending that if Super Saiyan Blue wasn't an official term, you wouldn't get mocked for using it after pulling it out of your ass?
We spent years calling it SSJGSSJ before the term SSJB came out.

>>529600504
Yeah, why the fuck wouldn't I call it by its official name? Do you say S2 and S3 for SS2 and SS3 or something?

All this autism because of a stupid name that originates from goddamn Heroes?
Fucking Christ.

>>529600504
>So you admit that you use the actual names of the forms and if they were named differently you would use those different names?
Yes????? How the fuck is that a question

>>529600816
>>529600934
That's all I needed to hear, I rest my case. What you're doing by adhering so religiously to official names is no different than self-congratulatory Christians mentally masturbating by reciting Bible passages from memory for a quick hit of fanatical dopamine.

>>529601047
Nah it's the same problem with UFPS4 from GT honestly, the thing here is that GTrash looooves to play around the fact their limit breaking furry is a different form from the one(s) seen in GT, they just want to sneak SS4 as a strong form no matter what
>no haha I just call it SS4 Full power, because it's just SS4 after all lol it's really that strong, trust me, SS4 didn't job to Baby!
>c-come on guys let's just call it SS4 Limit breaker, it's just a variation but it's still SS4! See? Stronger than SSB I tell you!

>>529600934
>shortening 'Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan' to 'Super Saiyan Blue' is equivalent to shortening 'Super Saiyan 2' to 'Saiyan 2'
this nigga is fucking trolling. lmfao

Super Lewd Saiyan Full Mast Maximum Edging

>>529601265
>goes to a DB thread
>gets mad because people use DB actual names
>projects his traumas over being raped by some priest in Oklahoma
>leaves
Peak GTurd display.

>>529601637
You are SUPER misrepresenting the conversation. That is a slimey spin to try and put on this discussion. Straight up Fox News Correspondant-like behavior. LOL

>>529599883
They don't have the rights to the license and namco would never give it to them

>>529601846
That's not what I said, GTaco. You proposed a world where SSB does not exist as a name and thus SSGSS is the only option. You implied that if SSGSS was the only name we would shorten it to something else like you do with UFPS4LB so naturally I provided an example of how stupid your idea would be.
Shortening SSGSS to something else, like you do when you turn UFPS4LB into SS4LB would be the same as turning SS3 into S3.

I never factored SSB name here because YOU came up with the idea of not having it, I humour your idea to show you how stupid it is, and yet you fail to understand? How pathetic.

>SuperLGBT getting BTFO the entire thread
kek

I did not expect autism over what kind of abbreviation is correct to use today.

>>529602912
Funny projection when you can't write LGBT without "GT".

After this you guys can't claim to be better than /dbs/ kek

>>529602142
You suck at pretending you aren't malding.

>>529602949
The argument wasn't over what the correct abbreviation is.
>>529600126
>>529600504
>>529601265

>>529601265
>>529601846
You're coping and retarded. Your fanmade name doesn't exist and Super Full Power SSJ4 is a different form from just SSJ4.

>>529603441
what a gay picture

>>529602912
Nobody sided with you in this entire thread.
>>529603301
>Having a coherent discussion about the actual names and official material is no better than random schizo babble
We very much are better.

>>529603653
>puke fetish gif

>>529603665
>Nobody sided with you in this entire thread.
I literally never posted in this argument between you

>>529603665
Nigga this was autistic schizo babble

>>529603869
So you confirm nobody sided with you.

>>529576516
How strong is Blue compared to God tho? It certainly doesn't seem to be as strong as SS is compared to base, despite being "SSG's SS" and iirc something in the manga even disproves it

>this whole argument

>>529603904
There was nothing schizo about arguing over actual official info from the franchise.
>>529603985
Should be 50 times stronger but it was never stated either way. It's at least 20 times stronger when combined with Kaioken.

>>529603967
Are you retarded or pretending to be?

>This thread

>GT fag is big mad his fanmande name was rejected.

>>529604367
There's also the /dbs/ reject panicking because he's not used to seeing an actual discussion taking place.

>>529593546
Your SS4 is on BoG+RoF food stamps lol

/dbs/' discussions are pretty good and insightful when they do take place. This place has the most retarded debates. I do enjoy talking about fanfics here.

>>529604123
>>529603985
Base Broly is stronger than golden forms but weaker than God. Ozaru Broly is stronger than God but can still fight Blue. Ozaru is only a x10 boost, if Blue was 50 times stronger than God the guy would have been oneshotted the moment Goku went Blue lol

>>529604691
Screaming about poop and cuckolding isn't good nor insightful.

https://youtu.be/j1mFYWCeYMk?si=6cmxBxMrAGfUkQ0V
https://youtu.be/OAL0ard3YPw?si=3f4MQGH-rl9_Q68W
https://youtu.be/JXtIyc12qcc?si=0guLwfUPbW9fPtCf
Discuss

>>529604759
You can say that about any of the forms since Broly started out fighting Vegeta in base and SSJ alone is a 50x boost.

>>529603985
You are thinking about the U6 arc, SSB Vegeta didn't use SSB properly because muh Cabba but Goku saved his energy and his SSG outperformed Vegeta. Whis said Vegeta's SSB was at a 10% of power so either Vegeta is massively weaker than Goku or Blue is only like ten/a dozen times stronger than God

>>529604942
Mozart is stuck in Capsule Corporation

>>529605219
>Whis said Vegeta's SSB was at a 10% of power
That's manga only.

>>529604984
Broly was said to be learning to fight at first, then he reached his limit (stronger than gold, weaker than God) and had to go Ozaru mode to kick God's ass. He reached a plateu again and only powered up again after Freeza "helped" him
Hell if anything the one that looks like it's getting stronger is Goku since Ozaru mode Broly slowly loses terrain as the fight goes one instead of getting stronger

>>529605603
>then he reached his limit (stronger than gold, weaker than God)
That's never really said. It looked more like he wasn't growing fast enough and would get beaten rather than he stopped improving.

>>529605286
>>529605219
>anime: Goku is ten times stronger than Vegeta now lol
>manga: Vegeta was ten times weaker than Goku this time lmao
I wonder what the hell did Tori write in his napkin to have this hell of a difference, did he really just write Goku kicked ass ten times better than Vegeta or what?

>>529605603
>Hell if anything the one that looks like it's getting stronger is Goku since Ozaru mode Broly slowly loses terrain as the fight goes one instead of getting stronger
The novelization say Goku was just outskilling Broly that hard. That's also why he did better than Vegeta did in a higher form.

>>529605765
Freeza, the guy who noted why Broly was learning to fight on the fly, was ready to leave when Broly had to fight SSG Vegeta even if he was still alive, I would take that as hitting his limit, why not making him fight more otherwise? He would still improve

>>529605790
Goku was just stronger, fought smarter and was more skilled than Vegeta, which made a lot of difference against someone like Hit.
Tori didn't give a shit about keeping Vegeta dead equal with Goku, only Toyotaro kept making up excuses for why Vegeta got his ass kicked and not Goku rather than just go with the logical 'Goku is better'.

>>529606132
>I would take that as hitting his limit, why not making him fight more otherwise?
Cause he was gonna lose before he could improve enough. Better call it a day now so Broly can continue improving rather than push it and get Broly killed now.

Broly power is limitless, he grows by the second
Established in Z (That's why broly beats four SSJ2 characters)
this was canonized in Super with slightly different wording

>>529606137
Having a ten times difference in both versions when one makes A stronger and the other makes B weaker is too much of a coincidence, Tori had to write something about it

You do realize now that Broly is a good guy that crazy growth will be taken away right? Or it will be majorly slowed down. He is not reaching Angel level. He is not even Beerus level.

>>529606628
Well yes they made him a good guy for money
doesn't negate what I said
of course they won't make him above goku
same goes for jiren if he ever reappears he'll be a jobber

>>529606457
No, Salagir, that never happened, in fact Broly had to fire off shit just to let excess of energy go, which by itself means he has a limit or he could just acumulate more and more forever. Now go back to jerking off to Bra.

>>529606628
>You do realize now that Broly is a good guy that crazy growth will be taken away right?
No shit. Crazy growth are for when a new character need to catch or an old character get brought like Freeza.
Freeza's own growth rate was super slowed the moment he wasn't training offscreen.
Same for Goku really, sometime his growth is ridiculously explosive, other times it's pretty static.

Interesting info on Goku's way of speaking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PahKTRwbRI

>>529606282
That doesn't really work because Goku and Vegeta could have killed Broly at any time.
>Go Broly, you are fresh from the shower so you should be SS7 level now! Let's hope Vegeta isn't in a bad mood and goes SS45 right away and kills you ASAP
That plus the way Freeza confirms Broly's limit again later (when he realizes he has to turn him into a SS if he wants Broly to get stronger) and >>529606628 make me thing Broly just learned to fight already.
His base power? Stronger than classic Super Saiyans. His Ozaru power? Stronger than God. His SS? Stronger than Blue. Now he has to train normally if he wants to improve, no more sick gains, he just had a massive headstart

>>529606978
bruh it's a japanese smoker granny voicing a grown ass man, it's grating and weird

genkai frieza in the english dub got the same shit

>>529607308
>bruh quality is grating and weird to me!
We know, fatty.

>>529607308
La goblina estado unidenses..

Crazy how if cooler was canonized, he'd be far far stronger than SSB. which is a joke considering the first movie and frieza kek

>>529607238
Didn't base Broly fight Ultimate Gohan? How did he do?

>>529606978
Finally a good DBtuber.

>>529607308
What's weird and grating is hearing a boring californian faggot who pass out the second he has to scream.

>>529607308
Dios mio.....

What the hell is taking Akio so long with this rights dispute?

>>529607424
>>529607721
Peter Kalamis >>> Tuberculosis Granny