Apothecary, I'm Inquisition Edition

>Update 8.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/230-patch-notes-8-0

>May community update:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/214-may-community-update

>Roadmap:
https://i.imgur.com/38C5Cg9.jpeg

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>528944239

Did Scab Ragers always have carapace torsos?

they shall nazi me

>>529255418
all my niggas nazis nigga heil hitler

>>529255116 (OP)
Hey Brothers, I think this is as good a time as any to post the prestige chart. The perks that are already marked in some way were added in during the first week of PTS and after that I made no changes. If you believe something needs to be changed or maybe you have some ideas what to recommend for other classes, let me know.
So, inb4
>who thought X perk is a good idea, it's the worst suggestion ever,
remember that's WIP and everything can be changed. I figured I'd put half-done version over a complete blank. I'll also make any annotations you might think come in handy, such as synergies with class perks or other notes if you have them.

>when you have to go eat and leave you brothers alone
Feel like shit 2bqh. Can you dump point into dreadnought before leaving btw?

What's the appeal of Lamenters? A genuine question. Is it because they're pitted against the impossible odds and usually sustain heavy losses?

>>529261323
Martyr complex. Mature men and natural-born winners play Red Scorpions

>>529261057
Siege mode needs a pause button

When a player hits pause an AI bot of the same class takes over temporarily and is replaced again by the player once he unpauses

Seriously fuck Saber for thinking that players can sit 2-3 hours playing Siege mode without any IRL distractions/peeing/opening the door/etc

As a heavy should i pick Conviction, Indomitable Spirit, or Duelist as a final perk if i'm doing the STOMP shenanigans?

>>529261636
Pick 100% more melee, stomp range, Extremis ammo reload and Conviction

Duellist is not necessary since you're going to be stomping and not parrying

>>529261586
>t. never cleared exterminatus in sm1

>>529261748
all these newfags never played that game, that's why they shit talk assault so much despite it being the best class in the first game.

It's all so tiresome.

>>529261897
It's also because it was required to have the 1shot perk so that it actually did something and a class that didn't eat up the few ammo you had in that game.

>Cosmetic unlocks from Siege are RNG for your entire class, not even jusr equipped
Sabre have no clue how to make a good game

>>529262969
Yeah, but they have the know-how on making the game as grindy as humanly possible. Why would those unlocks be random? Makes no sense unless you want people to buff their "time played" numbers.

>>529263380
Its a backwards mentality. People just quit instead.

>>529262545
Low level or non-maxed prestige players should be autokick on Hard mode, let them play on Normal

>>529263705
>i quit space marine 2 because it took too long to get a white pistol

>>529263837
mmmh prestige is optional chud

>>529264860
It's more
>I quit playing because I don't want to invest the 50+ hours required to grind a game mode I've already grinded for 50+ hours before the new grind was put in to actually feel like I'm making progress in the new grind

>>529261323
Underdogs are always popular

750 requisition points to respec prestige is stupid and wasteful, just let prestige 4 players buy the other perks they're not going to use and let them respec at will.

Every update they should keep adding/adjusting prestige perks so every build can be adjusted at will.

Also it's one year since the game released and we still don't have specific perk builds attached to certain guns.

>>529261323
They're the exception that proves the rule; nothing good can exist in the universe of 40k. They're a spot of noblebright that constantly gets smashed to pieces but simply dusts itself off and continues on.
People like to harp on about the Salamanders being "the good guys" but they have an entire company dedicated to doing the chapter's dirty work whereas the Lamenters had the red thirst show up in force while protecting humans they just freed from orkish slave camps and not a single one of them harmed a hair on any person's head during that whole ordeal. A whole group of gibbering, blood crazed lunatics looked at a veritable buffet laid out in front of them and collectively decided that no amount of psychosis could ever override their innate chivalry.

>>529267659
>but they have an entire company dedicated to doing the chapter's dirty work
t. Lamenter

>>529267863
I'm not saying they're Marines Malevolent level assholes, but the 3rd company are far more pragmatic than the rest of the chapter and their view on collateral damage is more in line with that of the wider Imperium than that of their chapter.

>>529261323
Because they're depressed sad bois who do the right thing always, even despite the universe seemingly and willingly punishing them every time.

>>529261323
They have a very inspiring story. Chapters have gone traitor over far less then what they've been handed but they insist on doing the right thing for the right things sake. They're a masterclass in Stoicism, as noble bright as you can get in 40k. They make other chapters look like punks.

>>529261406
martyr complex is the iron warriors

>t. iron warriors fanboy

>>529270239
Iron Losers aren't martyrs, they're losers

>>529270369
Do not insult Peter Turbo I will give you a taste of my axe Fist filth

>>529270605
Iron losers are more filthy and smellier than the Death Guard

Imagine slaving for Horus only to get cucked by Mortarion in the end

>>529270369
martyr complex is not exactly a positive
also 87% get iron caged faggot

Lamenters are cursed because having a Blood Angel successor chapter that can Control and Master the Black Rage would make them one of the most OP Chapters out there. Tzeentch fucks with them just to ensure that doesn't happen, they would be a huge threat otherwise

>>529270239
How are they Martyrs? They're whole shtick is being selfish as fuck

>Teammates keep shooting extremis I'm trying to execute for ammo
Cool, guess who's getting frags spammed at them when the helbrute spawns.

>>529270975
they are not martyrs, they and especially peter turbo have a martyr complex.
they always took up the worst jobs and refused to call for any backup if the terrible job turned out to be even more terrible then expected. they threw themselves into shit and stubbornly saw it threw, no matter how bad it turned out.
doing every shit job, refusing help and silently seething about it is what you call a martyr complex.

Randoms will keep executing and killing everything, literally every man for themselves

>>529270842
Their Chapter Master Malakim Phoros is actually known to have somewhat loose control over the black rage, he can dip in and out of it

>>529271436
the whole execute system is terrible for a coop game

>>529271864
This wouldn't be an issue if every class had self-heal and the game isn't a reskinned zombie horde game

In later waves where everyone will hire a battle brother (usually a Heavy) the game opens up and isn't hordejankslop

>>529270842
I feel like the black rage is a bit of a misnomer, because they're reliving Sanguinius' final fight with Horus where he knew he was going to die. There's a lot less rage and a lot more fatalistic acceptance and quiet fury, and that's just a typical Tuesday for the Lamenters.

>Joining errors nonstop
Are the servers cooked?

>>529273712
i´m having skin issues. i always reskin because imo the relic weapons are ugly as fuck with their missmatching chains, but the game always defaults back to them.

>20+ majoris, a lictor, a biovore, and a neurothrope all at the start of termination
Damn absolute is actually hard now. Neurothrope with a biovore is really fucking annoying.

I personally just wish the Lamenters had a better color scheme. Don't even have an issue with the yellow, but EVERYTHING being yellow is a pure eyesore.

>>529277925
I took Liberties with my Lamanter

>>529277925
Gold Aquila, left knee displays company colors, and campaign badges on either the right knee or right shoulder while veteran sergeants get a black stripe on their helm. They're no more unicolor than the Dark Angels.

>>529278115
Same.

>guy pings the eggs
>"oh well i guess i have the highest level"
>take them
>remember i'm actually underleveled because i'm prestiging heavy for a change

>>529262545
So what's the best squad perk for tac if not that one?

any codes tonight?

>>529288492
That's the absolute best perk in the game, I'm showing you that the faggot had two stims and chose to sit there with no health until he died.

>wave 10
>randos sit on 900 and 500 unused points while i have spent 500 on a dread
>even the last guy alive doesn't have the common sense to summon one and res us
some runs are just destined to fail i guess

Anyone want to try and complete a normal siege?

>>529290235
yes.

Normal Siege
5XJBP

>>529290553
n-15 connection problems, trying again.

>>529290842
I'll restart my game since sometimes it freaks out

>>529290553
actually i'm sorry but i'm not sure i can make it, brother. the warp storm is too strong

>>529290995
k, i will too.

>>529255116 (OP)
You know you can just set it in chat gpt's memory not to generate the most hideous terrible art palate known to man, right?
You can literally just feed it examples (via text even) of art you like and then have it generate a text based template to follow that art style?
You literally do not need to create more of this hideous artwork and flood the internet with it.

>>529290553
>>529291247
WGSCQ

>>529291335
you know zoomers don't see anything wrong with ai slop? hell, two threads ago there was an anon PRAISING this general for having "OC" "creators" after the guy who was responsible for the awful blood raven sniper slop made some new videos on request.

>>529291442
2/3

>>529291442
2/3

>>529291963
>>529291948

melta tards stop qing for hard siege.

>>529288863
>That's the absolute best perk in the game
unfortunately its made some bolter weapons unviable without the 15% ranged damage boost.

>>529262545
>Not blowing up a heap of mobs every 60 seconds with a melta bomb
t. <level 15 normal siege player

Is Bulwark + thunder hammer worth it?

>>529291772
ngl anon, that's rough to hear and you made my day very slightly worse.

>>529291948
>>529291963
anyone? come on, it will be fun

>>529293245
It's fun and looks cool

>>529293245
its fun because the aoe on running attack is fun. you are not taking a shield and cant take healbanner if you take that talent, so its absolutely much worse then regular bulwark.
its still about 2x better then assault though.

>>529294009
It's far worse than assault because even assault's mediocre movement is better than bulwark's complete lack thereof.
Is contested health regen still broken with the thunder hammer?

Most Tacticals playing Hard siege mode don't realize that they can replenish Melta Bombs every 60 seconds, most are still carrying the contested heal perk or the +15% ranged bonus for Stalker bolter users

>>529295049
I am so used to using the recoil reduction perk because it was funny for ABR/SMG that I won't change my perk because the game did it for me.

does tact have any weapon that an utilize this? all of his bolter run out of ammo after a single pack of majoris

>>529296667
works great with the SMG for maximum gun-fu

>>529296667
You're meant to magdump headshot Majoris then execute

No more manual reloading

Why is everyone always so angry in this thread.

Also code if anyone wants to play

JFAMN

>commander acheran says "pause, reload before the battle resumes"
>listen to him and alt f4
>open space marine 2 again
>try to rejoin game
>cant

>>529297246
He's done you in lad

>>529297090
>>529297191
there arent enough ammo boxes for this play style

>>529297679
>Tactical
>ammo boxes
Emperor's Vengeance will keep your ammo filled

>>529297243
2/3 need 1 more for lobby

>>529294378
>Is contested health regen still broken with the thunder hammer?
yes

>>529296667
stalker and melta are the only weapons that generate ammo themselves without that "fall below 30% life" crap

>>529298656
that perk competes with emperor's vengance. i find most operations the auto bolter ammo variant can last between ammo boxes. but with the new patch you also lose out on the 15% ranged damage perk in favor of free team grenades.

>>529298656
...anon

>>529298787
full now

taxt is so good its crazy. i cant believe they also made him a grenade vending machine. i am having fun with it though. they should make ammo and grenade regen a core gameplay feature so everyone can have fun, they are throwing stupid amounts of enemies at us now anyways

codes...?

do you still get the new weapon skins in normal siege? i just want some of the red skins for dark angels but i dont like this shit game mode

>>529299735
Instigator Bolt Carbine has the 50% regen ammo perk like Stalker. Genuinely consider it Vanguard's best weapon for Siege, fits best with the shoot > grapple > AOE nuke loop.

I do not *light attack*, I do not *heavy attack*, I do not *change stance*, I do not *charge attack*, I do not *block*, I do not *stomp*, I SHOOT THE ENEMY. And if they're in a downed state, I SHOOT THEIR HEAD WITH MY PISTOL!

>>529301539
Yes thankfully, that difficulty is a lot more enjoyable
Go roll that gacha

>>529255116 (OP)

>>529291442
thank you brother, it was fun. i need to take a break and get some sustenance.

>>529305150
No problem brother, that xbox shitter was fucking terrible. Next time I am going with a bot.

>>529305117
please kill yourself

>>529305303
i think i picked him up more times than i used the banner lmao.

>>529305117
LMFAO GOLD
bread baker is a chad

>>529303936
cool sniper man

>>529293337
i'm afraid your day is going to get even worse then

>>529305117
Very nice.
Just like in my animes.

i genuinely feel happy that you guys are sterile due to all that microplastic in your balls and will never reproduce. we will just try again after the war

Kodes?

>>529306331
alright grandpa let's get you to bed...

>>529307226
i can do one op in 30 minutes. i'm euro tho

>>529307664
nta but im euro too and lurking

>>529309462
same

>>529309462
>>529309934
booting the game

>>529309462
>>529309934
CHDVI
let's see how hard the new absolute is

>>529311260
okay wait for me

Thx to the 2 anons who played that long match with me, Wave 21! not bad.

>>529311551
>normal

>>529314451
yeah, exactly what you ain't

>>529314451
Seems like they made the right choice to me, both because they're not prestige 4 lv25 with an optimal setup and just for having fun in general
Emperor knows I'd rather do normal than hard because all the optimal ways of playing are more frustrating or tedious than fun

>>529314679
You're right, im better than you

>>529314695
You dont need prestige 4 for hard

>>529277925
Every single chapter is the wrong color. One shade down makes them look much better.

>>529271130
The base line for coop games like this should be you can solo any content, the reason siege sucks is you cant. Due to a combination of the point system, bad map design, bad enemy spawn combinations and terrible class balance.

I have a more enjoyable time playing nightreign because even if both other players are total idiots, you can still solo and still win. Which also means when you lose its still your fault, not everyone else which is annoying.

>>529315540
mid level no color looks like it does in the color picker.
also other people see a different color than you do
it's all so tiresome

>>529311260
>when you beat the heavy by 55 points

>>529316065
No the devs are just retarded and got it wrong like they got magpies wrong

>>529315221
Arguable depending on the class
But there are some perks that are just too important, like the ammo regen ones for heavy and sniper if you're bringing those classes, so no prestige at all is not a great idea

>give everyone infinite grenades with my team perk
>I am the only one using grenades
Players in siege are extra dumb

>>529318047
thats why you play with a 3 stack instead of retards level 15 and 14 on hard with 0 perks

The amount of level 1 assaults queuing for hard is maddening. I almost wish this game had a proper report feature so I could spam reports and get these creatures banned.

>>529318312
but you wanted it to be hard? if you had a working brain you'd play normal like everyone else.

>>529318312
the best part about playing assault is that other people dont play assault

Friendly reminder that Siege mode is end game content, do not go into Siege mode underleveled with zero perks, thank you

>>529318954
more like, mid game content

inferno is the most perfect and kino experience

>>529319897
nope, I like my avarax architecture better

>>529320080
shit taste

>>529320226
i like the idea of space marines just being buff guys that only have shoulder, chest, forearm, and dick armor

>>529320226
nigger

>>529319897
>Have a horde mechanic to show giant numbers of enemies as well as the ability to actually kill/interact with them
>Dont use it at all for your "horde" mode
What the fuck are they doing, Inferno is better than anything Siege offers.

>>529317225
I didn't say no prestige. I said you don't need 4. Prestige 2/25 is 99% of the power of all classes. Most of the prestige peks are garbage anyway.

>>529320957
this requires too much pc use. even without a massive horde of enemies in the background, the average pc dies at wave 18 and after

>>529319897
Inferno can have a lag issue where my FPS drops to like 15 for a random amount of time after loading in. Can be half a minute, can be until a loss happens because I'm fighting through a haze of low framerate, but it makes the mission really unenjoyable if it happens. Only mission where it happens too, none of the others have the same issue.
Decapitation, ballistic engine, termination, and exfiltration are the only problem-free missions for my tastes.

Average experience playing this game solo:
>Open game
>Get connection error
>Restart game
>Queue for match
>Get put in a lobby with a guy who's afk
>Repeat 7 times
>Get into an in progress match
>They failed while you're loading, so you have to sit through another loading screen
>Sit through a third loading screen because the host left while you were in the second loading screen
>Realize it's after 8 and siege takes 2 hours, so you're done for the night since you have work in the morning
>Watch shitty Youtube videos for an hour and a half
>Take a shit
>Go to sleep

>Alright im gonna give siege another chance
>Start up game
>Freezes on start up, crashes
>Ok
>Start up again, get to ship
>Join normal siege
>Infinite loading screen
>Crash
Its been fun guys but they had weeks to fix this shit this is inexcusable. All I bet because they gave up when SM3 got funded, they got their bag and left us with dogshit.

It’s funny how the two post launch enemies added are the most obnoxious shit in the entire game, like what sick fuck thought the game needed a super tanky spore mine factory that doesn’t kill nearby minoris when it dies and can also just run across the map at mach 2 whenever it feels like it, and flying schizo goats with ultra hard hitting projectiles and huge radius blue and red attacks that also signal way earlier than the actual attack? I hope against hope that the new chaos spawn enemies are just normal melee guys and take up like half the majoris spawns in chaos missions.

>>529321895
>go to sleep
>take a shit
>wake up from the nightmare in which I couldn't post codes and had to play with randoniggers

>>529322012
It was probably a response to everyone complaining the game was too easy, so they over-tuned it.

>>529322082
Change those bedsheets anon

>>529322082
>go to sleep
>take a shit
That isnt where humans shit anon

>>529319897
decapitation is better

>>529322012
agree

>>529322438
>>529322564
wow almost like I shat myself because of that nightmare

>>529323008
this, used to spam it to level my character. it has everything.

What’s with all the level 15-24 retards on absolute with no team perk equipped?

>>529326307
Bug, shows nothing there but there is

>>529303527
ok but that talent tree kinda looks like tacticals

>>529303527
50% on each new target. Its trash. Its not irredeemable but it isn't good either.

I fucking hate all this shit, this weird magic RPG mechanics slapped into a 40k game is stupid as sin. Where are these magic bolts coming from? You pick them out of Chaos asses? Fucking stupid.

>>529329815
>50% on each new target
Per instance of damage. If every shot in a magazine hits a target, you get 50% of a magazine back. That's good, and that's not even factoring in that every shot has the potential to over-penetrate and hit multiple targets, giving you more than 50% of a magazine.

>>529330151
>every shot has the potential to over-penetrate and hit multiple targets, giving you more than 50% of a magazine.
in practice this rarely happens. you will wase lots of ammo killing minoris, instead of one ammo per headshot its 3. i do really like this gun on sniper, but i dont even use this perk, i just use the ammo on pistol kill. the worst part of it is it does not refund ammo when you switch your weapon. actually i might give the perk a shot again now that they fixed the bug where the reload weapon on cloak perk is suppose to refund ammo.

>>529330151
>After reloading, your Ammo Reserve is restored by 50% of the number of enemies hit. Cannot exceed maximum Ammo capacity.
Means it gives you back half the ammo of each enemy hit not half the ammo of your hits. 50 rounds into one enemy is 1 round back. 50 rounds into 2 enemies is 2 rounds back.

>>529330737
enemies hit per bullet. i use it on bolt sniper rifle all the time and its pretty good, cloak and put majoris into execute, click head to kill, reload and get 1 ammo back. you can farm bullets off of packs of spawned minoris

>>529330930
>i use it on bolt sniper rifle all the time and its pretty good, cloak and put majoris into execute, click head to kill, reload and get 1 ammo back. you can farm bullets off of packs of spawned minoris
Thats fucking retarded anon, Sniper has a perk that gives him infinite ammo from a single side arm headshot.

>>529330737
Yeah, I said that.

>If every shot in a magazine hits a target, you get 50% of a magazine back. That's good, and that's not even factoring in that every shot has the potential to over-penetrate and hit multiple targets, giving you more than 50% of a magazine.

>>529331005
the prestige perk only gives back 3 bullets for bolt sniper when it triggers. its really not enough. you have to use the magic bullets on reload

>>529331302
Like I said, its fine as a perk but it isn't good. Most of these perks are garbage.

>Low levels in Hard
>Idiots in Normal
>No way to just play Siege without it being a shitshow
Welp

>>529331724
Even if you play with prestige 4 randoms they'll dip after wave 5 for no reason or never communicate so they'll veer off in different directions instead of sticking together as a team.

You'll also encounter requisition pinchers, niggas be saving for a Dreadnought when the team is getting mauled by wave 7-9.

I've seen lobbies roll for Tyranids for the first area because Chaos is apparently impossible in the third one, at least those who are still grinding for the bonded studs helmet.

>>529332238
I get it, they made it so rewards are tied to sector clears, its faster to quit at 5 then do 5 to 10. I don't blame the players for the devs fucking this up they should have made all skins purchasable with normal credits.

>>529332393
You need to clear wave 15 for the helmet so dipping out at wave 5 is stupid unless you have IRL to do.

Saber also forgot to replenish players who leave so when someone does dip or disconnect they'll never be replaced with a human again.

>>529332529
>You need to clear wave 15 for the helmet
No one cares about the helmet, its ugly and getting to 15 hard is annoying moreso than fun

This game is such wasted potential it hurts. Mediocre piece of shit carried by the 40K IP.

>>529333864
i wish it had a starwars battle front style campaign

>>529333864
>This game is such wasted potential it hurts. Mediocre piece of shit carried by the 40K IP.
I genuinely think its not possible to over come this issue. You will always love your own IP (DRG/Helldivers) over someone else's (40k/Warhammer fantasy) and that translates to better games and experiences for yourself making it and players enjoying it.

Siege Mode should have been Necron reality cube fuckery where your dudes are trapped inside some Trazyn-tier pocket dimension, allowing for a much more varied flow of battlefield arenas. Have the Overlord overseeing your battles mock you like an announcer.

>>529333864
I think the meat of the game; the combat is amazing, just imo for the price should have released with more content - longer campaign, more ops, siege mode on release
content wise it's the equivalent of vermintide 2 with triple A graphics, combat & animation quality tacked on

>>529334703
All that content got scrapped from SM2 the moment GWS gave them a license for SM3. Why put in free/$20 DLC when you can charge another $100 for the exact same game? I can't wait to pay for all these colors again!

>>529334703
All they had to do with siege mode was make it tyranid only, or at least one enemy faction only.
They refused to do that because even they know that no one would willingly choose to fight their shitty chaos enemies but they went the route Blizzard did with Shadowlands and decided that the players need to be punished for not liking something the devs made.

crazy how it seems every patch the over powered classes get even stronger. then this patch assault gets a minor buff to a perk that no one but me uses

>>529334703
I fucking hate those “broooo you’re trapped in an alternate reality nothing you’re doing matters bro” tropes so fuck no
It takes away any sense of immediacy and reduces the stakes to nothing

>>529333864
>This game is such wasted potential it hurts
The models/art/animations and basic combat is fantastic, 10/10.

Its the people responsible for the game design that suck ass. The contested HP mechanic is retarded, the non-linear HP is retarded, the ranking up weapons system is retarded, the passives (instead of gun customization like scopes/attachments) is stupid, the difficulty settings therefore become a mess because you have to balance classes + levels + weapon ranks + now prestige.

Give us no classes. Basic marine, you choose a melee weapon you like and a ranged weapon you like. You get to pick gear you bring that gives you extra actions so you can focus on a role. That's it. All the 'gamification' shit they slapped on top ruined it.

>>529334703
that's what the next rogue trader dlc is kek

Is Rogue Trader actually good
I always thought it was mediocre 40K sloppa and never thought to give it a shot

>>529335948
What stakes?

>>529337748
idk but wotr, their pathfinder game that is hailed as one of the greats gave me nightmares
https://youtu.be/4CAh-IYXQZk?t=42

Siege mode is 50% afk people sitting on their battle barge not realizing they're in an open queue. 20 minutes of trying to find a game and it's just those people. I give up, I'll grind out the weapon skins with two bots, this playerbase is one of worst in all of gaming.

>bulwark died 3 times during the first five waves on hard
>assault joins after other guy quits
>both vote to continue to 6-10
Nope. I'm out guys.

>Could have just had no classes and free choice on weapons and equipment
>Could have done an assault pack + sword + shield
Sigh

I have a working theory about the Legion of the Damned.
The Emperor is, at this point at least, a warp entity on par with the chaos gods, albeit one that's chained to realspace. That chain is important, because I believe his essence bridging the gap between reality and the warp allows him to capture human souls as they transition into or out of the warp if said soul becomes untethered from its body at that time. When this happens to an astartes soul, the soul itself is powerful enough to survive being reshaped into what is essentially His equivalent to lesser daemons. This is why the Legion is able to appear from nowhere, vanish just as quickly, and have identifiable individuals active on multiple battlefronts across the galaxy simultaneously. I also believe that Legion members who die in battle aren't gone, they've merely been banished to the warp for a time which is how Uriel Ventris encountered a member who originally hailed from the XIIIth legion back in the days of the Horus Heresy. Remember, Guilliman's flagship vanished into the warp and when it returned, it was completely empty with no sign of battle.
The Emperor claimed them and molded them into damned legionaires following some unspecified catastrophe.
In comparison, primarchs are greater daemons stuffed into meat mechs while living saints like Celestine are analogous to daemon princes.

Best pistol for Assault? I know it's probably the plasma pistol, but anything else? Should I bother with the Volkite or the inferno?

>>529337748
it's pretty good story-wise and encounter-wise, but the combat even on max difficulty becomes trivially easy near end of act 2, bar a few bosses which are dangerous. Broken builds are easy to make, so becomes a cakewalk unless you are gimping yourself.

>>529342993
the regular pistol is really good, hip fire it between attacks or when you are waiting for a second stack of block. or if you need to push a majoris into execute. then you can also headshot minoris. i use the ammo variant. its my favorite pistol, but i feel you need plasma vs chaos

>>529343401
Better than the heavy bolt pistol?

>>529342993
Heavy bolter pistol strikes the best balance between power and ammo in my opinion.
Assault doesn't have the best ammo economy and the plasma pistol realistically only has, I believe, 24 shots before it's out if you use the ammo variant.

>>529343682
yes i like the playstyle way better. and it has a perk that gives a big headshot damage boost after an execute. its super reliable to click your contested hp back and the latest patch reduced hip fire accuracy by half and gave it a new shooting sound. just click it when ever you have the chance, its fun. heavy bolt pistol seems lame, i will be in melee combat with any high priority target anyways so i dont see the point of sitting back and trying to do damage with it.

>>529344439
heres an okay example. just use it when ever you want, it has enough ammo. but it will often deal the damage you need to set up executes.

Siege mode is a lot of more fun on one of the infinite ammo classes.

>>529344746
Based bolt pistol enjoyer. I think if it has a faster fire rate it'd be goated.

>>529350516
yeah its awesome. vs nids

>>529350516
bolt pistols would be more fun if they were automatic like in the dawn of war cinematics
they'd also then have a reason to exist when every class can use the heavy bolt pistol

>>529355609
OG bolt pistols with the external magazine looked kino as fuck and I hate the new ones.

I like playing heavy with a multi melta

>>529356489
I don’t, I like doing damage to Majoris enemies

>>529356072
There is so much unnecessary bullshit on the primaris weapons it's unreal.

>>529357203
Having a scope on a boltgun is redundant since a marine's autosenses should be compensating. The tube above the barrel is part of that, basically helping the marine auto-aim.

>>529357326
In complete fairness it's a reasonable addition if the space marine expects to operate without his helmet on, as many do, and there is precedent for long range bolters to have scopes(that presumably provide greater magnification than just his helmet's optics).
But it's unnecessary for your standard bolter and aesthetically undesirable.
In the end, it would be reasonable if it made them look cooler, but it just makes the simple bricks that bolters are supposed to be look like a busy awkward modern AR and therefore worse.

>>529357203
>>529357326
>>529357697
It’s just reflecting the modern era, where every game/thing with guns has to have insane customization with scopes and stocks and mags out the ass because everyone is all in on tacticool
Blame the world we live in currently

>>529357906
There could have always been an option to have a naked bolter as one of the skins.

fucking look at this bullshit

>>529365254
I've been experiencing this too. I don't know if it's a new bug, but had seen it only in a handful of situations before 8.0.
Good job Saber! That's quality!

>>529365680
>>529365254
This shit has been around since 5.0 at the very least. People call it desync, but I've no clue what it really is.

>POV: you're %80 into the operation

>>529352171
i love how you still get hit by the ring of fire when you're well outside of it and it's been like this since forever
shitass devs don't even play the game

>>529365254
I'm getting it fucking constantly on whip warriors. Literally every other one i'll try to parry when they're clearly in range and on the same elevation as me and it'll phase right through making me get hit by the next 2 or 3 swings for free

Why can't siege mode give good rewards? What do these drip feeding bastards lose if people don't want to grind the same operations over and over again?

>>529365680
>>529368961
Just remember what Devs officially said: They are focusing on cosmetics and splitting champion skins into individual pieces. That means until it's done we can forget about even thinking they will fix any sort of bugs, let alone over six months old issues. What a company, Brothers, what a company....

>>529372025
>he thinks fixing bugs and 3d modelling is done by the same people
Epic underage moment

>>529372578
>people
As if they have an entire team. The state SM2 is in right now already screams "we have a bunch of leftovers who were left there to run the game on support mode".

>>529372578
>presistent bugs from december
>each update has as many bugs as new things or more
yeah bro, it doesn't matter if they have different people for what you say. they stopped giving damn about this game some time ago and even if they didn't their handling of problems is beyond retarded. what he posted only proves it.

>>529372578
these absolute fuckups somehow managed to introduce a bug that makes missions never launch and another one that makes marines randomly blurt out spanish

>>529365254
The worst possible enemy to have this happen on is the Biovore, who not only attacks fast, but staggers you hard on fucking everything and can even chain loop you to death if said stagger makes you collide with a wall.

>>529370174
I tried queuing for siege mode 5 times and every single one ended with a disconnect before I even join
What is going on with these servers

I know it's getting tiring but man wtf is the point of the PTS if 1) they don't address bugs reported in the PTS 2) the end product is still buggy as shit

>>529379870
It's clear the PTS is just a way to buoy MAU numbers between content releases.

The Biovore needs its health nerfed into the fucking ground. It should not have more health than a Lictor in the fucking two squishy areas you can actually hit.

Kodes, brothers?

>oh you're %95 through your absolute operation + geneseed?
>*crashes the servers*

>>529373941
Enfoca al enemigo prioritario!

>>529382995
>Devs clearly want you to engage it in melee because melee bypasses armor
>Except it just runs away 50% of the time
>The other 50% of the time it'll phase through your parry/blocks and hit you for a gorillion damage

>>529386406
but you can just ignore all its armor by shooting the gigantic spore mine launcher on its back

>>529386889
If you're Vanguard, Bulwark or Assault, you don't deal enough ranged damage to kill it this way in any meaningful amount of time. You may as well plant your pistol in your ass cheeks, because it's that worthless against them.

>>529386889
Hitting it for regular damage won't stop it near fast enough to not start rolling around the dancefloor away from spore mines if you're hard focusing it. And that's assuming you're a ranged class with actual DPS at a distance

>>529382995
Imagine if they took away the turret mode from it, how much better and more fun it would be to face

>>529379870
Because they're bleeding workforce and have to push deadlines even further. The nail in the coffin for that theory was "postponed" content in the updated roadmap.
Also this >>529380086

>lvl 23 vanguard with melee champion
>they call dred on wave 14
I'm outta this shit

>>529400000
is there a minmax way to guarantee a dreadnought for wave 15?
i've seen retards with 700-900 requisition points just burn them for guardsmen, grenades and revives

>>529400149
Just don't waste points, if you have a proper specced/prestiged class you won't need to buy healing and ammo, especially NOT on the first 10 waves that are a complete joke.

New community update, Brothers

https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/229-june-community-update?page=1

Genuinely do not like playing Vanguard in Siege

>None of his weapons feel universally good against that many enemies and the variety they come in
>Take the Melta and you suck against Zoans, Biovores, Neurothropes and Thousands Sons
>Take the other two options and you're shit against the horde
>Easily the worst ammo economy of all the classes because he has little to no ammo regen perks
>His Grapnel Launcher AOE nuke becomes borderline impossible to use due to the sheer cluster of enemies cockblocking you from the targets you want
>Even the sweaty tryhard streamers agree Block weapons are useless in this mode so he doesn't even get the damage burst from Adrenaline Rush

All he has going for him is the team heal, and I'd sooner just play fucking Bulwark for the banner heal.

>>529400990
>Literally zero new content until September
Holy shit I don't think we can actually sustain the general over three fucking months of nothing.

>>529400990
>Finally, we announced a while ago that we are working on a new class for PvE and PvP.
>We’re now advanced enough in its development to announce that the new class will be a Techmarine!
>advanced enough
Well, we've seen what "finished" means to Saber so I guess it's on point. On the plus side the power axe looks nice and it's good we will that class at some point, but it still lackluster given how much time they had.

>>529401230
meh, it's been like that after december update or sometime after New Year and we managed. even so, that doesn't justify this crap they're playing at.
I guess they'll be chilling at a beach somewhere instead of churning out new content.

>>529401074
Oh nononon blockniggers, our response?

they actually called a dred on wave 5 AFTER the wave was done

>>529401397
its not that i just realised, but i´d like to point out that every lobby will have 2 people doing techmarine staring contests for ages because you have to level up to 25 5x now
>its optional!
siege mode proved otherwise, to no ones surprise.

>>529403490
keyed

>>529400990
My tiny brain cannot conceive of how the entire playerbase is going to try and level Techmarine at the same time, with the class conflict bullshit. Glad it's coming though, even though I'm sure it'll be a massive headache.

>>529400990
Hope the 2-3 month gap in content means they're finally gonna use some time to improve their bots, especially if they're throwing in a new class soon

>>529403731
I will just solo ze levels and be happy

>>529401074
I unironically think Vanguard is better off using Inner Fire in Siege. 15% ability refund on Majoris or higher executes is far more consistently useful over just not being shit. Tactical gets more Auspex uptime, Heavy gets more Iron Halo uptime, Bulwark gets more Banner uptime etc.

>>529402058
Block only works because back then you only had like 3-5 Majoris standing around

In Siege mode you have a dozen Majoris and Extremis all trying to fuck you up

>>529401074
Small price to pay for having the best heal in the game

He should get the bolt shotgun though along with the Sniper

Shock terror troops like Reivers don't have long range options

unless you're playing with friends it's much more consistent to get healed by killing extremis foes rather than having a bulwark waste his banner because he didn't time it right

>>529400990
>not a single word on the much-needed bug fixes
>axe presented without mention of how the roadmap notes it for spring
>and without mentioning the other weapon and the new enemy that were also slated for the same release
They're just incredibly pathetically afraid of actually talking about their fuckups, aren't they?

>>529405518
Unless they changed the way the token system works I don't see how block is any less viable. In fact I was just playing siege mode and it's not all that different aside from the chaos terminator spam, which isn't anything new as someone who played true solo.

>>529400990
>didn't address low level players shitting up Hard siege mode
>didn't address that players who quit or get disconnected will never get replaced by another leading to wipes in later waves
>didn't address that the cosmetics are RNG instead of just buying them outright
>they want to remove the 1-minute timer instead of just adding a pause button because they think people playing siege mode are no lifers who can sit by for 2-3 hours straight

>>529403490
This is why I don't use points for the dread bank. Too much risk that one of your allies will waste it at an inopportune moment. Better to stock up your own points until you can put it into play yourself at exactly the right moment.

They should increase the battle brother timer from 5 minutes to 10 and let players choose what weapons they spawn with, even better if they can come with a choice of either of the 3 class abilities.

Also have the Dreadnought spawn closer to the action and have it prioritize Terminus enemies, then Extremis, then Majoris, etc. and to compensate for slow movement they should increase the timer from 5 minutes to like 7/8 minutes.

We also need loadouts and they should let prestige 4 players just buy the remaining unused perks so that they don't need to waste 750 requisition points. There's nothing wrong with adding more prestige perks and adjusting current ones in every update.

If they want people to use Assault in siege mode they need to give it the same jump pack mechanics in PvP/campaign with 3 charges plus ground pound and execute healing.

If they don't want level gating content due to the sheer amount of low level shitters on Absolute and Hard siege just make cosmetics buyable via requisition points.

>>529406208
yes. both need to go though, or at least get neutered & healing on executes (in smaller numbers) need to become a general feature. having one of the 2 mandatory healsluts in your team to be viable is horrible.
>add apothecary
this amplifies the problem instead of solving it.

>>529408551
The thing is that this game wasn't built on having 30 elite enemies on screen, this is clear by the pattern of stun locking that can often happen in later siege waves, siege was a mistake.

>>529406507
>>didn't address low level players shitting up Hard siege mode
There are only 3 ways for them to really fix this, and none of them are perfect.
>buff xp of siege mode in general so that its a better xp grinder than re-running inferno, undermining operations
>allow for the use of perks in seige regardless of level, undermining the point of prestieging
>levelgate seige difficulties above normal, making games harder to find
The vast majority of players are lower level shitters. Even most of the regulars haven't fully prestieged a single class.

>>529410036
introduce a corvus helmet with laurels on wave 20 hard
watch every noob and normie prestige 4 a couple of classes

>>529410036
Simply make prestige not reset the perks, that would fix all the issues, then you can just do siege for fun while re-leveling the classes and getting your prestige perks.
The fact it resets them is pants on head retarded by default.

>>529410187
no, you will just have poorly leveled normies with shit builds queuing siege hard

>que up hard mode siege
>connecting to a lobby
>see the playstation and xbox logos
>alt + f4

>>529406458
A massive difference I've noticed in Siege is that enemies stop waiting for you to look at them before they start attacking after Wave 10-15. Meaning Raveners and Lictors will start blindsiding you with basic attacks, especially deadly from your left if you're aiming due to the camera angle and zoom.

> go to bed after thanking anons for playing with me
> check the thread today
> first comment is the autistic angry assault anon seething that i didnt play on hard
Playing some more tonight in about an hour, i will post a code then!

also
> no new content until september.

Anyone up for a normal siege (EU)?

>>529410740
Yeah, following the call of duty template, when this game has substantially more perks that do matter on higher difficulties seems like a poor choice.

For Space Marine 3, weapon perks and variants need to go, and all perks should instead be consolidated into the classes. I will accept nothing less than 50 base perks per class, with some perks having additional tiers with more investment.

>>529415759
I feel like your idea is way better than how weapon perks work atm.

they could even do like a massive skill tree like POE.

so what was that new bug in blocking weapons carried over from pts about?

>>529416934
Not registering attack animations on certain enemies properly, so the enemy's attack just phases through you. Resulting in getting hit by the followup while you're stuck in the whiff animation.

>>529416934
The 50% damage taken status that perfect blocks and parries apply to enemies no longer works with blocks
So it's a pretty massive damage reduction

>>529417028
That's an old one from half a year ago that just keeps not being fixed, not the new bug

>>529417203
It's not new, it's worse. That's what people are talking about. Biovores are now in the pool of enemies whiffing through your parry/block for example, not just lash Nidders. And if a Biovore whiffs through your defense, say ggnore to half your health because it's gonna fuck you up while you're stuck if it drops the close range cannon blast.

>>529412391
don't actually do this, it breaks the anticheat. i got temporarily banned from mulitplayer because of "modified files" after i did that

Neurothrope AOE faggotry should not go through terrain.

>>529419570
counterpoint: it should go through terrain, but it should also randomly make him explode instead

>>529419570
For sure
It works for most operations situations but in siege chances are you'll be struggling to find a safe spot to deal with a carnifex or something only to be brutally assaulted by a shockwave emerging out of the nearest wall with no warning

I forgot how shitty the players were in SM2. The thing that annoys me the most is the execution stealers, holy fuck that annoys me and ultimately makes me through the game.

>>529420406
>The thing that annoys me the most is the execution stealers
Skill issue, just press E

In Siege mode and new Absolute this isn't and shouldn't be an issue due to the large amount of enemies around

>>529420631
t. doesn't play the game

>>529420918
I play Hard Siege mode and if the enemies aren't getting blown to ribbons by constant melta bombs everyone is stealing each other's executes and zipping all over the battlefield to prevent getting damaged

>>529419783
and it should screech loudly with pain

>>529420406
they really are. trying to level up a class that cannot carry, i think and i joined 5 ruthless ops today and failed every single one.

>>529421209

do nids even have pain receptors? i imagine the hive sees not point in that for something that is only supposed to live for 5 minutes

make it five. a nigger stole a medkit while being at full health, then he shot the promethium canister another guy set up at the beggining of generator defense section. i think i'm going to call it a day, playing for two hours and not completing a single fucking op.

I desire CODES for EUROPE

six. after waiting ages for a guy to leave the guards camp, the second guy decided it's a good time to go all the way from the barrier back to the ammo crate. jfc

4FTED
EU doing whatever

seven. bulwark went down to idk, a bunch of gaunts. picked him up and quit to windows. i've had enough for today.

>>529428136
we have a sniper

>>529428136
2/3
>>529428657
Join

>>529428136
Full

>>529428136

Any kodes?

Great.
Waited two fuckin hours for that anon to post a code. I try to join 5 minutes after he posts it, and it's invalid.
Guess that's what I get for not staring directly at the thread and spamming F5 for two hours straight.

>>529429830
>auto [v]
also
reminder that when you "host" you dont actually host shit. You don't need a gaming rig or a fiber optic connection. Dont wait for sameone else to post code if you want to play just post thd fucking code

>>529430582
I don't want to host, I want to join.

>>529431205

4BKPS
EU 2/3

>>529429606
looking for an angry assault
sniper taken

assault is so kino. they should make it so assault can use their jump pack ability on thropes to ground them.

>>529432914
It would be cool if you could pounce on them like the lictor does to us

>>529429830
>>529432478
Get in here

>>529433262
Anon he just wants to post the "no codes in here" meme

>>529432478
we are still open!

>>529433830
not anymore. thank you anon for joining

>>529432478
Full

to the playstation anon, sorry for dying, i ran out of ammo for everything. also, that biovore spammed the cqc fart 4 times on me

>Nonstop Level 1s prestige on Hard Siege mode
Fuck off and die

>sometimes you can gunstrike between helbrute hammers, sometimes not!!
small development team, please understand

>>529435735
You guys are kings.
It's just a combination of me being underleveled/underprestiged, and the game fucking me with not registering blocks or spawning hordes behind me.

>>529441641
yeah I dont blame you

QQY43 1/3 absolute
sniper taken

>>529433997
Got disconnected in the thunderhawk.
Ggz.

>>529442158
>>529441824

>>529442158
Yeah I went to lobby and the game eventually gave a connection error and now I cannot join games lol

>>529441824
>QQY43
Full

>>529442448
it’s BITWR
sorry, code changed

>>529438413
>Nonstop Level 1s prestige on Hard Siege mode
>Fuck off and die
Thats exactly what they plan to do kek

FAGGOTS

What chapter would make for a good tech marine?

Don't say Iron Hands

>team gets fucked up by a horde with a carnifex and a lictor right after another horde with a carnifex and lictor
>we're barely holding on
>finally get the second carnifex alone with two players barely alive and one that just died
>game decides to spawn a fucking ravener AND zoanthrope
>go to grapple the zoan
>it fires that bullshit beam with the ridiculous hit box just in time for it to be completely undodgeable
>die
>only other living teammate gets rushed down by the ravener and carnifex
If this fucking game wants you dead, you're dead. Fuckin bullshit to the max.

>>529448568
Salamanders are probably the first Chapter anybody into the lore thinks of, because they actually prize smithing and see Techmarines as invaluable. This is in stark contrast to most other Chapters who consider Techmarines to be almost dirty because of the dual loyalty.

>>529448831
remember one of us (me) died 2 meters away from a medkit. fucking green projectiles

>There was a Lictor in my Battle Barge training room
Guy scared the shit out of me ..

>>529450051
yeah it’s one of the best things devs did

>>529448568
Iron Hands, Blood Ravens, Salamanders

>>529450710
Blood Ravens are for the Librarian class

>>529451078
Blood Ravens steal everything and have had a series of accomplished tech marines

>>529450051
Wait, what?

>>529450051
I shot mine a few times and it went back into hiding. I sat in there for 10 more minutes waiting for it to reappear but it never did

>>529450051

>>529441824
>>529442448
>>529448831
thank you for the game brothers. it was intense, I hope I made corvax proud

>>529453676
how did that “v” slip in there? jesus im tired

>>529453676
GGs brother. You did

>>529448831
the thropes need a rework. sniper kills them in one hit, meanwhile the melee classes cant do anything about them

>>529448831
here's what happened in the same game btw
bonus points if you can figure out what's going on in the webm
>you cant gunstrike anymore

>>529453427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URBANOwwFFU

>>529454736
If anyone can deal with flying nidders then no one will take Sniper anymore

The absurd zombie horde tier of enemies already puts the Sniper in a weaker position, you're only a Sniper for the first 10 seconds and then for 3/4 of every encounter you're basically a Vanguard

>>529455376
idiot

>>529455376
Both Tactical and Heavy shit on Zoans and Neuros though.

>>529455061

>>529455739
>Have camera planted firmly inside your own ass so you can't see anything
>Know there are enemies behind you just just face away and run in a straight line
>"Wow this game sucks, I died for no reason!"
I didn't know DSP played this game.

>>529455739
Corvus not sending his best.

>>529456104
hahaha I knew I would get a response like that
lets clear something up: medkit = tasty

>>529455701
They can't oneshot Zoanthropes though like the Sniper

Actually the Tactical can but you're taking a suboptimal perk to do it

>>529456210
yes he is
establish a monopoly on everything except melee damage

Chaplains are just HR

>>529456570
No they are approved Word Bearers.

Legions didn't need HR back then.

>>529456265
>They can't oneshot Zoanthropes though like the Sniper
so what? its not all black and white mister

It is genuinely impossible to find siege hard lobbies in matchmaking, You either sit there searching fruitlessly forever or it puts you in with a level 1.

>>529457012
or you post code

>>529457012
my guess those wanted the helmet got them already through sheer luck or they just gave up because of the low level shitters
just post codes and someone here will join
seems that only yuros posts codes, no one from north america or in asia cares about this game anymore

>>529457264
there's always one guy in the thread who's tired of eu codes and he wants to play NA

Hard siege mode is a hard filter, even in the official SM2 Discord it's difficult to find reliable teammates since chances are they're frens/e-frens who are also low level shitters

Those who are max prestiged want voice chat enabled, fuck that

Farthest I've gone with randoms from start to finish was wave 11, usually if no one dips we get squashed by wave 10 because a retard will refuse to hire a Heavy or spent their requisition points on useless shit

With SM2 Discordtroons we got N-2 disconnected during wave 14, good job Saber

>>529458026
grim

The first and best piece of advice I can give at this point is to not waste your points on Valtus. He gets stuck and bugs out constantly to the point it's just a pure waste of 1500 points.

Heavy reinforcement is a much more valuable purchase, in that he actually shoots shit to a notable degree and makes you less prone to ranged 1-shots thanks to his passive.

>>529458782
only summon the dreadnought after you've killed most of the chaff
in my second wave 15 run it fucked up 2 carnifexes and then went on to fight warriors and tried to chase the ravener leaving the three of us to deal with the neurothrope
they need to spawn it closer to the action and have it prioritize terminus enemies above all else

>>529235226
Went through the first few campaign missions. There is trouble with the in-engine cutscenes such as the plasma cannon facility meeting room scene with Sarkaana; I will see extremely muddy textures and model detail on all characters from time to time. This happens on-and-off from certain angles, so seems like it may even be related to an LOD bug. 5070 Ti here, there shouldn't be VRAM issues. No such problems occur during gameplay. All ultra settings, DLSS Quality ratio set in app to be 75% (1080 render), framegen x1.

>>529458782
They should let us pick the bot's gun and class perks without bumping up the price, in fact they should increase their duration since 5 minutes is just one wave.

This way no one needs to always bring a Vanguard with Extremis heal since you can just hire one in later waves. Hiring 3 Tactical bots with Tactical Supplies means near infinite Melta bombs if you have them.

>>529458026
>a retard will refuse to hire a Heavy or spent their requisition points on useless shit
I keep getting matches where a guy will buy as many medkits as he can while either gunstriking or simply shooting extremis to death despite having a vanguard in the party with the relevant perk.
You can lead a horse to water, but unfortunately you cannot hate it to death through the internet.

You know they're a returning player if they only have less than 1/4 of their health and they're still not healing with stims much less buying them.

>I can do this bro
>gets destroyed by a Ravener/Lictor

>>529462229
>guy with 900 requisition
>buys a bunch of grenades (i think he was trying to get a melta), relic, ammo, medkits for himself
>hires guardsmen for chaos
>reduced to 30

>>529455739
enlightened medkit mindset

>Want to play other classes
>They're not 25
>If I play anything but Bulwark, won't make it far because the average person is trash
>Can't unlock skins for other classes
You could have given us a token for a sector clear instead of this RNG crap you know

>>529462229
>You can lead a horse to water
This is the common theme of most posts about Siege Mode: the game's mostly casual player base is too incompetent to do real "endgame" hard content that is akin to a raid. Since it's not a live-service game, people are actively encouraged to forget about it and come back when there's content, so you get the situation we have now: a bunch of playstation dumbasses ruining your Hard mode run.

I almost don't blame the players: it's the dev's fault for releasing content that most of its players are not prepared to do. People asked for this game mode, begged for it, but most people actually don't know what they want. Or what they're good at.

>>529464780
>>529462229
Im convinced if there were no rewards tied to Siege mode no one would be bitching about any of this. Its the weapon skins and helmet that has ruined this. It puts in an expectation for success. Instead if they really wanted to force another grind, put in tokens, and you get more tokens per wave (increasing exponentially) as well as no final round, it just keeps getting harder until you lose.

Now every round is a win, even if you lose at 9 or 14 or 19, and there is no 'need' to get to 15 for a helm or 25 to "finish".

>>529465554
wave 15 of hard mode is unachievable
wave 15 normal is okay and more forgiving
even prestige 4 players can beat wave 10

'ate nidders
simple as

Why are Imperial Fist players consistently the absolute WORST players? This shit is embarrassing as a Crimson Fist player.

>>529467914
Every Alpha Legion player I've played with have been great.

>>529467914
Dorn's gene line is cursed to only attract shitters. Play Blood Angels.

>>529468320
>Dorn's gene line is cursed to only attract shitters.
Not true, Black Templar and Crimson Fist players tend to be fine when you run into them. It's literally just the Imperial Fists themselves.
>t. Marines Malevolent shitbag

>>529467914
I disagree. Black Templars are worse by a long shot. The best players I've ever seen are ironically smurfs, also typically bloody magpies.

>>529467914
>really good players
Lore accurate, codex compliant markings and colours
DA Deathwing
max prestige, fully decked out Ultramarines

>good enough but not good enough to carry
Blood Angels
Crimson Fists
Blood Ravens
Minotaurs
Carcharodons
Iron Hands
Raptors

>normies/meh players
Raven Guard
Dark Angels
Black Templars
Space Wolves
own/homebrew Chapters
the rest

>shit players, 1000% chances are if they're repping these they're fucking dogshit
meme colours
puke colours
Imperial Fists
White Scars
Loyalist/pre-Heresy colours from traitor legions

With the BA update I haven't encountered a Lamenter yet

>>529469050
I've encountered two Lamenters and the best way I can describe them is "good, but fumbles under pressure" which is comically fitting.

>>529469050
>play with two carcharodons in hard siege mode
>they never chat or talk
>they just kill enemies
>we washed out at wave 13 because i got killed and one guy revived me also got killed and i got yeeted by double assault cannon

>no mention of retributors
Thank god, I am unique

>level 2 guy summons valtus on wave 14
>leave

No regrets, I'll get those ugly fucking weapon skins eventually. This game mode shouldn't have been released.

>>529469627
>le plain grey marines
Might as well be unpainted.

Aren't Blood Angel successors plentiful? why only a few successor Chapters? Meanwhile the Dark Angels and Space Wolves got everybody.

Does that mean when the Imperial Fists get their DLC they won't be complete? Both the Black Templars and Crimson Fists have their own elaborate color scheme and symbols.

>Year 2 will be Iron Hands (for the Techmarine class), Black Templars, Imperial Fists and maybe a boomer favorite like the Blood Ravens (even likelier if they're still down for a Librarian class)

>>529469627
We get it bro you got into 40K from a 2 minute YouTube clip

>>529469885
Every pack has been 8 chapters. Dark Angels got such a large percentage of their named successors because nearly all of their successors are either unnamed or with no recorded heraldry.

>>529469794
>>529470147
>You like boring unpainted tactical no fuss marines
Yes, yes I do.

>>529469885
There are like 50 or 60 BA successors. But many don't have artwork, and only a bit of lore. Everybody has 8 except for Ultramarines and Space Wolves. UMs are the super special boys who get special treatment, and Space Wolf successors all have the same paintjob (only pauldrons are different) so it's much less work.

I swear the game doesn't register parries sometimes.

>>529469885
There are fleshed out successor chapters like the Flesh Tearers or Lamenters, and then there are successor chapters who have basically no lore outside of "is a successor chapter / got primaris reinforcements." Saber consistently picks the successors with lore.

>>529469627
i've encountered a total of one Retributor

>>529470626
Those aren't successors, the Space Wolf pack is just the individual companies in the chapter.
Their "default" is the livery of the Blackmanes, but every company has its own stand in for chapter iconography that uses a design chosen by the current leader of the company. The design and name of each company typically changes when a new company commander takes over.

>be shit at the game
>its ok because i play a lamenter

>>529472651
Not a bad way to spin it.

Averland Sunset > Flashgitz yellow

>>529474981
Bad moon yellow is best.

my alcohol induced high blood pressure attack is over

Any codes?

>>529472651
That yellow is criminal

>>529469050
>>good enough but not good enough to carry
>Blood Ravens
>Carcharodons
Damn why'd you gotta call me out like that.

>Atlantean Spears
>Blood Angels
Sure thing sons of Vulkanginius

>>529464780
The average player that was asking for horde mode was a shitter that never beat the chaos invasion wave in sm1's horde mode or ever fought the killa kans

We made it to wave 15 and then a guy quit so me and the other guy tried 16 by ourselves and it didn't go so well.

>>529481339
No one asked for this type of horde mode.

>>529482328
Hard? Post code

>>529482492
We just wrapped it up, that's a grueling shitfight man. It's past 1AM here and I need to go to work in the morning anyway. It was also funny running into another Crimson Fist in the wild. Pic related was a well placed melta bomb and we both sync-killed two biovores together.

>>529482815
Funniest part was he was using the auto-bolt rifle. Yeah, the basic one. I was using the bolt carbine and it's just a fucking bullet hose.

>>529482492
I'm also in the /vg/ group, so don't be afraid to find me there. I play on hard and absolute.

>>529482940
>>529483031
>autobolt rifle
useless piece of shit

>>529483151
He got 64k damage with it and he knew what he was doing. Skill trumps meta builds.

>>529483031
What /vg/ group?

>>529483151
jk dog :^)

>>529483271
The one in the OP.

How does the nade launcher reload anymore? Its not from the big ammo crates, so is it only the small ammo boxes?

>>529483226
Yeah but he would have done better with any other gun
That’s the issue in discussion

>>529483226
>Skill trumps meta builds.
It absolutely does fucking not in this game.

>>529484428
Sounds like a skill issue.

>>529484542
Go on, show us your hard 25 assault solo faggot

>>529483782
Small ammo boxes and you get 1 grenade per execution kill with that perk. It really got nerfed.

>>529484594
I don't like the melee classes. Assault was my least favorite class to level up all the way. For reference I got him to prestige 4 but still have armor parts to unlock but don't want to because that means I have to play the class more. Vanguard is the best of the "melee" classes because it's super mobile but still really shooty. Grapnel in, drop melta, grapnel out, boom, and bullet hose. That said tac is my favorite.

>skill trumps meta use bro
This is always such a weird sideways argument. Like yeah, someone skilled at a game will always be better than someone who has no idea how to play the game using the best tools the game has. But the point being made is that given two players with the same skill level, the one with the meta build will always out-perform the one using a suboptimal one. The “skill trumps meta” argument just seems to shout past that and argue with nothing.

>>529484873
Its the stormwind argument of vidya

The servers seem fucked, I can only join about less than 50% of the time

>>529484810
>Vanguard is the best of the "melee" classes because it's super mobile but still really shooty
Literally have no idea what you're talking about. Stop posting.

>>529487531
My 84k ranged damage would disagree.

>Vanguard is the best fuckin melee bro!
>Look at my range damage bro!
>84k!
No wonder you fags can't get to 15 hard.

>>529488045
Do you lack reading comprehension? "Melee" was in quotes, and being shooty was emphasized. It's a skirmisher class, but people still consider it a melee one with assault and bulwark.

>Bro Vanguard is the BEST melee class!
>No I can't get past wave 15 but TRUST me bro!
He just won't quit lmao

>>529488659
Are you that shitter the other day that argued vehemently against the vanguard class and couldn't provide actual reasons why it was bad despite shitting the place up saying it was?

Vanguard has shit guns and Block is useless in Hard siege mode

Grapple hook is also useless since diving into mobs for AoE is retarded and not worth getting killed

Melta is useless against Chaos, thropes and most Majoris targets but mulches tiny shitters; the carbines are only good for headshot magdumping and useless against hordes, you need to reload twice for Extremis enemies

>>529489235
You dive in with the grapnel, drop a melta, get 7 kills, immediately get another melta, drop another, wound all the extremis, and then execute them. Works every time. You're just bad at it. Skill issue.

>>529489235
/sm2g/ has sucked vanguard dick since day 1 because its the edgy class, but its quite legitimately next to assault for the worst class in the game but for the heal on kill. Their level of cope around their trash class is hilarious given it needs a buff, but they deny it by pretending its good.

>>529489380
You haven't cleared Hard 15 and it shows.

>>529489503
I posted the screenshot doing it you dipshit.

>Claiming others content for your own
Desperation

>anti-vanguard nigger is at it again

>>529489235
The dream team is tact, heavy and bulwark and I will hear nothing of this bullshit that vanguard brings anything useful. They need to buff it.

>>529489416
All classes have their drawbacks

Vanguard has shit guns and shit ammo economy to compensate for getting awesome perks

Even without the Extremis heal, Inner Fire lets other classes spam their main skills

>>529487531
What does this post mean
He has more mobility than Bulkwark because his ability is a grapple hook and he has more ranged damage because he has a primary rifle
How is any of this in contention lmao
Like how could someone disagree with either of these things

Low level and non-max prestige players should be banned in Hard siege mode. Even if the playerbase is 20,000 and only 2000 have prestige maxed classes it's much better than wading through lobbies of dogshit finding a decent team.

Let them play in Normal.

I thought we were still on the “bolt carbine SMG is broken and really good” train
When did we collectively change our minds and decide it was shit and not a good gun?

>>529491056
No it's just one guy being a retard. Ignore him.

Bulwark is trash

Everyone expects you to heal them and even if you do intend to heal them either you or they will fuck up the timing and waste your banner

You have low damage and your only job is to facetank sniper and assault cannon shots while shitting a shock grenade or AoE every 30 seconds

You're completely useless against Terminus enemies especially against Neurothropes, 2 or 3 of them at a time and your team is practically playing 2v3

See now he's just stirring the pot going after bulwark because he keeps wanting (you)s.

>>529491056
Whats wrong with it now? It still fucks
>>529491214
Lol ok

>>529491056
>bolt short rifle submachine gun

>>529491563
I saw a couple recent posts saying Vanguard only has shit guns

>>529492106
Yeah there's a lot of dog shit opinion on this general just try it out yourself and come to your own conclusion

>>529491720
I wonder if vanguard hater anon used to be the heavy hater anon or is he a newfag that just happens to write in a similar style.

>>529492106
He's also said that if he sees a tactical with anything other than the plasma rifle he kicks them. Ignore him, he's clearly baiting.

>the baiter gave up

Am I blessed or what
>decide to see if I can get that hard mode wave 15 unlock
>queue up with cheesiest survival bulwark build available
>vanguard and assault lobby
>tyranids first arena
>teammates are good enough to not fuck the whole run or waste points
>no failed runs
>no crashes
>get helmet that I won't actually use
Getting it done in one go is nice, a lot of frustration saved there

PATCH 9.0 - Unfortunately We Did Not Have The Funds Or Time For Content

>Fixed a bug where Assault would lose 50% of their health periodically.
>Added two more armor parts for the leakers to find in the game files (to be ready for patch 17)
>Fixed the bug where boomer bulwarks complained about taking any damage whatsoever.

Thanks to your support we've been able to make massive balance changes to the game! (listed above) Now stay patient for patch 10.0 in September.

August 23rd Community Update -

>For the Emperor, brothers! We sadly announce that due to chaos intervention (Vasily came home drunk beat his wife half to death and will be facing a potential week in prison) we will have to delay the SeptemberTM Massive Space Marine 2 Content update to December... Awww schucks.. :(

PATCH 10.0 - Massive Content Update

>Greetings Marines! It is finally here! What you all have been waiting for!
>Techmarine class (leftovers from original development stitched together with spaghetti code) Now your squad can have ONE (1) NEW GUY THAT HAS A COOL ABILITY!!! (shoulder mounted bolter which is actually just an invisible space marine bot taped together to the back of your marine)
>A new melee weapon! The Power Axe!

That concludes our development for year 1.
Please purchase our new season pass! We've decided to drop the price down from 34.99 to 29.99 for the Emperor!

Year 2 Community Update

>Greetings marines, it's me Vasily here, lead of development. As you all know, none of this would have been possible without you hence why we here at Saber are really spoiling you guys now. Let us briefly look through the year 2 content for Space Marine 2.

>January
>February [ONE NEW CHAOS SKIN TO BE USED IN PVP ONLY]
>March [CHAOS OPERATIONS - TROON SURGERY] Ever wanted to join the 41%? Well you can't because this was a typo and we're not adding chaos content whatsoever! Teehee!
>April [DLC 1 - ORK CAMPAIGN AND CONTENT UPDATE ALL FOR FREE MADE POSSIBLE BY YOUR SUPPORT... April Fools!]

>>529492106
I mean, ngl but Vanguard's guns do kinda suck ass when you compare them in relation to what other classes have. The only gun he's got I consider good is the Bolt Carbine, and that's better on Sniper in terms of both ammo recovery and reducing recoil via his perks.

>>529502397
>May [1 NEW OPERATION... THE FALL OF DAEDALUS..]
>June [Pride Month Customisation Pack]
>July [ONE NEW PISTOL... THE DOUBLE HEAVY BOLTER..]
>August [ONE NEW ENEMY - THE THOUSANDS SONS CUBE TZAANGOR]
>September [PATCH 20 MEGA CONTENT UPDATE - APOTHECARY CLASS AND THE TWO HANDED POWER SWO- One new pistol..
>October [Halloween Helmets]
>November [Black Templars Champion Skin for Heavy]
>December [Year 3 Announcement]

Thank you for supporting our game, brothers. For the Emperor!

>>529502397
>>Fixed a bug where Assault would lose 50% of their health periodically.
You mean
>Fixed a bug where Assault would NOT lose 50% of their health periodically

>>529502397
>boomer bulwarks
I still don't get this

>>529507019
The stereotypical bulwark player is an oblivious mouthbreather
People have made the connection between that and boomer gamer dads

I'm of the belief Tactical is going to have Auspex nerfed even further or even fundamentally changed, and Techmarine is going to become the DPS ramp class.

>>529507480
>people
you're the only one tries to force this meme

>>529502397
Shit, Anon. You almost had me, until:
>We've decided to drop the price down from 34.99 to 29.99 for the Emperor!
If anything they'd increase the price.

>>529509532
I'm not part of it though
Just explaining where it comes from, though I see your point about it not necessarily being a plural

>>529507480
>[citation needed]

>>529490786
that would go against sabers narrative of prestige being le optional

>>529491214
why are you emphazising the nearly useless shock grenade and not mentioning the aoe on pp/pb?
he is only bad against zoans, thats it.

>>529511107
oh they have already backtracked from that

>Servers shitting the bed again
Are they always this bad or Steams sale fault.

>>529512117
>Are they always this bad
pretty much yes

For the dude wall, I present homebrew marine
His name is Prestigio Challénge
https://files.catbox.moe/p1q063.png
trying out this pink in the training area, it actually looks pretty striking in the right context. Shame no real chapter uses the colour, but I might make a custom scheme with it and purple together

>Iron Hands player called Mustafar begging people to fund Valtus for Wave 10

Any kodes brothers?

>>529515384
Yeah post codes

I just got off a team wipe at multiple wave 15s

>>529513392
Sushius Sashimius

>>529515384
just personnel files

>>529513392
tell us more about his chapter.

>got wiped multiple times on waves 14 and 15 on Hard
JUST

I blame the Imperial Fist Tactical for still bringing a bolter w/grenade launcher in 2025

Is there some secret to the sniper I'm missing? I already have all the ammo-generating perks possible both from prestige and normal perks but it feels like the lasfusil just has such low ammo it doesn't really matter for sustainability in siege.

>release Horde/Siege mode
>perfect moment to have more players on our team
>"sike! we don't have any plans to do that!"
>modders release a playable mod that allows for 12 players
What do Saber get paid for, again? I guess consoles fuck up the whole thing by being more limited hardware-wise, but devs seriously couldn't make it an option that with cross-play disabled you could've had a choice to increase number of player slots? Hell, they have functioning 6-man teams in PvP that is played by pinguins on Antarctica, which proves more players can be done. Not to mention a playable helbrute somewhere in the future, but no drednought. This dev team is contradicting itself every step of the way. What a bunch of jokers.

>>529517889
Saber gave them the tools to be able to mod the game as far as they did, they just can't implement that shit into the main game likely due to contracts whenever with GW or consoles makers I don't know and it doesn't matter.

>>529517889
>modders release a playable mod that allows for 12 players
is it compatible with siege mode yet?

>>529517639
the sniper's role in siege mode is to oneshot zoanthropes, spam melta bombs and shoot at biovores
it's a support class in that mode since your teammates will die and will rely on your stealth heals
shadow stab and full auto carbine also works but you won't oneshot zoanthropes
the stalker bolter isn't as effective on the sniper as it is on the tactical and using the bolt sniper rifle is tantamount to throwing the game
the best team composition is still vanguard + tactical + heavy
vanguard with the carbine and extremis heal
tactical with auspex and melta bomb spam
heavy with melee stomping and using the iron halo as a bomb

>>529517639
After all the rebalances, the Bolt Sniper Rifle is the gun you should be using to dome shit. The Las Fusil is unironically his crowd hose gun. You take the 1 ammo back on 2+ hits perk, the maximum fire speed version, and just spaff beams into hordes.

>>529518697
>heavy with melee stomping
Every Heavy I've seen do this who thinks he's a tactical genius goes down by Wave 8 on Hard.

>>529518206
Yeah, they made it fully compatible with some neat changes as well

>>529519309
Nice! It would be cool if we could get a few /sm2g/ anons and play some Siege as Emperor intended.

>>529519309
Will this clear the helmet?

Would even the odds or make it hilariously easy

>>529519881
>would be cool if we could get a few /sm2g/ anons and play some Siege
Now that I've seen it I think it would actually be nice to get a group together. What would be the best way to get ~6 Brothers? Through the steam group from OP? Probably a long shot but I don't know how many people are there or how active it is.

>>529519973
You cannot matchmake or progress any challenges/ordeals with mods.

>>529513392
Received.

>Wave 1
Roll for Tyranids, if Chaos start the match and get yourselves killed back to the battle barge
Someone takes one for the team and buys an ammo crate preferably in a central location where everyone can easily access it, ammo boxes are a waste of points
>Wave 2-5
No one buys shit, if you're gud you'll get by with the respawning resources the map provides
>Wave 6
Someone takes one for the team and buys an ammo crate, once again in the central open area
The remaining two idiots will each put 500 points to the dreadnought, Valtus
>Wave 7-9
The two idiots buy a relic
>Wave 10
The third guy summons a Heavy and after the match puts points to the dreadnought, at this point it should be 1500/1500 but don't summon it until wave 15
>Wave 11
Someone takes one for the team and buys an ammo crate in a central location blah blah blah
>Wave 12-14
You have some wiggle room here depending on your team needs, whether it be stims, another Heavy bot, relic for one guy who completes his class challenges or save points for wave 15
>Wave 15
Someone with extra points summons a Heavy, the other guy buys stims for each dude
Only summon Valtus once the Terminus spawns
Shoot at Minoris, Majoris and Extremis targets, ignore the Terminus enemies and let Valtus deal with them
Enjoy your ugly ass helmet

* never summon guardsmen at any point unless it's wave 15 and you have points to spare
* never buy a grenade pack, there will be a Melta bomb spawn in every area
* Tactical bot is dogshit, Heavy is kang with Iron Halo spam
* spam Melta bombs, don't bomb yourself and your teammates in the process
* always do side missions, leave a single Minoris behind especially in later waves where you'll be overwhelmed and swamped
* accept the fact that you will die at least once in this mode, that's what the relic is for but it doesn't mean that you can play sloppily

>>529517262
whats the correct loadout

>>529522313
Plasma or Stalker

>>529522042
>Ammo crates
Literally not worth it. At zero ammo, it's 4 complete refills. The pool of ammo given by the 30 point resupply does the same thing, meaning it's 80 points cheaper for everybody to just gobble 5 ammo boxes.

Submitting my Adeptus Custodes for the Dude Wall. Please at add him Brother. At your convenience.

>>529522042
Wait you can actually get nids in the first wave? I've done 10 siege and I swear every single one of them started with chaos

>>529520409
it definitely needs to be planned, an exact date and time has to be set because a lot of people get busy here

>>529523840
>Wait you can actually get nids in the first wave?
Ugh yes?

Chaos is too hard on the third area with multiple Terminators, lesser Sorcerers and disc Tzaangors

Tyranids are much more manageable and those little nidders die whenever a Majoris or Extremis gets killed

>>529523586
Received.

>>529522426
The bolt carbine wrecks everything man. Stat in into headshot and ammo and you get a 46 round mag that can get tyranid extremis foes with a reliable mag dump to the face.

>>529528660
also dmg vs carnifex & helbrute is fucking massive. its so & so vs neuros though when you can´t get in close.

>join hard siege in progress
>wave 1
>1 person already down
>tab and see this
noped the fuck out

>>529518861
Really? Works well for me
You still have to use your gun on the approach and parry shit but stomping staggers a lot of shit
Do they just not block attacks?

>>529534650
with balanced you will eventually eat shit

>>529533953
They need to prestigegate this shit

>>529534736
Eh, works fine for me aside from biovore bullshit
And the times it doesn't i've usually stomped something into execution range to get the contested health back
and failing that i'm still a guy with a heavy machine gun, i can blast dudes for contested HP or just fall back and funnel them in
Regardless, past wave 13 i can understand starting to get overwhelmed but going down by 8? That's some serious mistakes being made

>>529534736
Just pick Duellist, will change your melee from Balanced to Fencing.

>>529523987
Sounds good, but should it be over on steam as an event in a group or is it better to put it to a vote? The latter is easier but doesn't guarantee that many anons will want to join up.

>>529534893
Even then, they need to keep perks when you prestige. This isn't call of duty, the perks are a huge part of deep runs in siege.

>>529535340
it will not. there is still a windup

Any lobbies?

am i the only one with fucked skins? i select the hazard stripe sword and get the base chainsword skin. i select the base thammer skin and get 2nd rarity instead and so on.

>>529539620
Same.

im a lorelet, why are red weapons special?
also how do you tell if someone has prestiged or not

>>529543528
Nothing special about red weapons. Some Chapters just use them, like the Deathwatch. Others have blue, white etc.

You can see Prestige via the top right icons while in the hanger. It's in Roman numerals I, II, III, IV. That or certain cosmetics.

>>529543528
>im a lorelet, why are red weapons special?
They aren't, you can just color them however you want in the tabletop
>also how do you tell if someone has prestiged or not
top right corner while you are in the battlebarge you see their names, level and roman numbers from 1 to 4 which means their prestige lvl.

>devs knew that including Chaos was going to harm their game
>they did it anyway
Simply epic. They're going to do it again in SM3 too. Hot take time: Chaos is a shit antagonist and by far the weakest, lamest part of 40k. And I don't care what lore reasonings they'd need to pull out of their ass: Chaos needed the synaptic shock mechanic, the whole game falls apart without it.

>>529548689
xenoscum will never be important

>>529548689
>Chaos needed the synaptic shock mechanic
Wouldn't even be hard with tzeentch, just make them vampire counts-lite and an army of animate dead centered around wizards.

>>529548689
World Eaters are the only Chaos Marines I want to see in a game like this because they'd be the most unga bunga marines imaginable.

>>529549542
Yep, the solution was right there by making the Lesser Sorcerers into Majoris, and having them control the Rubric Marines which is literally how it works in lore. Take out the Sorcerers and it makes all the Rubric Marines enter a finisher state or just disables them. Make Greater Sorcerers the Extremis.

>>529549542
>>529550691
>>529548689
T. Underage Retards

Should l buy this game?

>>529551781
Post-Chaos dusty ass Rubric Marines have always been mindless thralls to the Sorcerers. This is not new lore.

Fuck this fucking game
>fuck those skittering mach 2 biovore pieces of shit that sometimes obey game mechanics and sometimes don’t
>fuck the level 1 tactical and level 7 assault ive been placed with in siege (both fresh players with no prestige perks)
>fuck the endless hordes of spores that detonate through walls and instakill you
>fuck the perk system, the weapons, the parry system, and the contested health system because all of it makes siege unfun
>fuck the terminators with the homing in spam rockets that hit you no matter where you dodge, staggering you just in time so that the sniper shot from 1000km away hits you and takes away 80% of your health
>fuck chaos as a whole, from the human shitters to the fucking disc goats and their clipping attacks that sometimes give warning sometimes don’t
>fuck the 7 loading screens you have to go through while encountering afk retards, retards with mics open that blast news in bangladeshi language, retards who pick your class, and retards in general
Im so fucking mad at what this game has become. Fuck it all

>>529553583
Not worth full price I'd say. Currently buggy as shit, content is slower than promised with no explanation, and balance is a shitshow. If you can get it for 10 bucks or the equivalent in your local currency it's probably worth it. For a higher price than that, it'd depend on what you want and expect to get out of it, so tell us what you want and we'll tell you if it's a good idea.

>>529543528
Da red shootaz shoot fasta

>>529553848
Based siege mod is bad (and it was bad in the first game too), operations are better and I hope SM3 has randomly generated ones.

They should randomize the siege mode rooms so you don't always go through them in the exact same rotation. It would not change anything about the balancing and the experience would not feel so monotonous.

>>529557035
Honestly, I'm amazed devs haven't lifted the randomized map objective system from EYE/Space Hulk. Its so easy to make relatively open floor plan levels that play differently every time purely because you're heading throiugh them in different directions each time you load it up that its mildly infuriating to me.

YREZN doing whatever.

>>529560340
I think they focused too much on SM1, they basically copied the game in every aspect, which isn't bad because they made it but better in every way, on the other hand they didn't expect to blow up as much as they did, they could have done so much more going their own unique way, but oh well, I'm ok with the game as it is, it's just that siege mode and this many extremis/majoris on screen doesn't work out.

>Join Siege Hard Mode. Low level people nonstop
This shit is exhausting

plasma heavy almost 1 cycled the drake with auspex

>>529565170
If you had a better gun, you would have got it in one cycle.

>>529564684
I feel like the xp nerf is the issue.
Stopping after wave 10 on normal mode gets you 1900 xp. That's roughly the equivalent of doing an operation on average difficulty, except it takes twice as long and slots in above ruthless but below lethal in difficulty.

I'm tired, Emperor.

>>529573970
Brown.

>>529573970
Middle guy was a bulwark, rightmost guy an assault?

>>529574541
Vanguard

tact's weapons are suppose to be bad since his perks are so op

>>529573970
america first type language

>>529564684
That's just the surface
Even if you have lvl25 prestige 4 randoms chances are they can be equally as dumb too
Hard siege mode is all about synergy, teamwork and coordinating requisition points; kinda hard to do on chat especially if the other guy is a Xbox or Snoy retard
The moment someone starts summoning guardsmen in the first area you're already fucked for the dreadnought later on
There's also the fact that someone will dip after only 5-10 waves
The good teams I've been on don't buy anything up until waves 9-10, if your team keeps buying stims in the first two areas you're also equally fucked in the dreadnought economy for wave 15
Every class (except Assault who sucks hard in this mode) and almost every gun have their own drawbacks and strengths

The best team I've been on was clearing wave 22 on hard with a plasma Tactical, me as a carbine Vanguard and a Stalker bolter/carbine shadow stabbing Sniper. Tac guy keeps spamming his Auspex and full charge plasma shots while spamming Krak grenades, me as your cookie cutter carbine in your face Vanguard with a Melta bomb and the Sniper switches guns depending on the enemy, he uses the carbine against Nids and the Stalker against Chaos.

>>529548689
Based. And instead of learning they then forced people into siege with chaos.

>>529548689
>chaos
>synaptic shock
absolutely no

just have chaos space marines retreat and leave their minoris shitters behind, they literally do this all the time whenever big imperium kicks them in the ass

for thousand sons have rubric marines die en masse whenever a sorcerer gets killed regardless if they're normal space marines or terminators

for daemons once you kill a bunch of them have them despawn and degrade over time, they start doing half the melee damage until zero then poof

once the main chaos/daemon army retreats/disintegrates have the traitor guardsmen just charge towards nearby players in melee instead of sniping them

>>529580263
way too complicated for the 3 interns to program, sorry. Instead of synaptic shock we'll just have the rubrics explode in an aoe that kills minoris and call it warp explosium or some shit, thank you very much for you imput. we value your feedback. For the emperor!

>world eaters
berserk mode, just parry/block bro
>undivided
they retreat and fall back once you kill a bunch of them, just have them exit the map out of bounds
>death guard
they're too slow to retreat and almost never retreat, just have them explode or disintegrate
>night lords
they're natural cowards, kill a few of them and they will retreat quickly
>emperor's children
they retreat normally and fast, just have a headphone splitting shriek while they do so
>iron warriors
they retreat normally but unlike the others have them drop melta bombs to blow up to cover their retreat

>>529564464
This game doesn't play at all like the first game.
Because they didn't copy space marine 1, they copied their world war z spinoff game.
This game is an utter disappointment when I was actually expecting space marine 1 but more and new and better.
The ranged weapons in this game are a fraction as effective as they were in the first game and it fucking sucks.

holy shit leave this guy alone he looks like the ultimate bada$$

c-c-c-codes?

>>529586956
What is with people who clearly know Deathwatch means a complete silver arm and commit to that, and then just don't commit to literally everything else about the Chapter heraldry

>>529588494
>people who clearly know Deathwatch means a complete silver arm
highly doubt that the edgelord with a typo in his name actually understands the lore meaning of free cosmetics

>>529588494
the pauldron is called deathwatch and the arm is called deathwatch. he likely selected both because it has death in the name

>>529590063
you know the account is old when it's misspelled
he made that when he was 12 two decades ago

>>529590762
cringe kino

Why is the fencing power sword better than the block version
I thought block weapons were supposed to have higher base stats than their fencing versions as a tradeoff for fencing being easier

HELLLO\????

>>529593863
hi

>>529593863
have you heard of vanguards tripping over and dying instantly? your assault is just scared of touching the ground

No hard mode codes?

>>529593863
>>529594206
THIS HAPPENS EVERY FUCKING GAME THOUGH
i'd like to see ally cam of this bullshit

>>529593443
>expecting consistency from saber
lmao

>>529593443
Because block shouldn't exist period. Imagine putting a weapon that removes an entire feature of the game.

>>529594689
I mean once my buddy dropped into the start of the tunnel section of termination and he straight up warped *pun intended* through the ground

Heavy is OP

That is all

heavy spacing

>>529593443
for the same reason the artificer block power sword has the highest damage of them all by a large margin
because melee weapon stats are all over the place and make no sense

>>529596945
watch them nerf heavy to the ground

>>529597614
I do not allow it

The hardest enemy in siege mode for me is the ranged chaos terminators, they feel way more tanky in siege and come in groups

maybe its autistic, but as soon as I got both pauldrons unadorned I never swapped back. Sniper cosmetics suck

>>529598292
>Laughs in Bulwark
Thanks for infinite, instant free banners. But I feel you everyone else always melts under those guys.

>>529594491
>>529587056
You guys still up?

>>529598331
Sometimes having some trim is nice

>>529600073
No, lunch time is near and I can't commit to hard mode siege

>>529600510
ogryn moment

man with the latest patch assault is absolutely useless. vanguards heal has gotten better with all the extremis. bulwark is okay but would still prefer one of the ranged classes over his heal

>>529601652
Can play 2-3 hours from now, AEST

>>529601739
Tact, Heavy, Bul are top tier. Rest is garbage, Assault+Vanguard are on the bottom.

>>529601871
Bulwark is useless, a stealth fast heal Sniper is more useful

>>529602065
Nope.

damn dude you just got nuh uhhh'ed

>the whip warrior dodges backward after getting slapped by the block power sword escapes from 160+ damage from an AS power rake
Enemies being able to dodge out like that is such bullshit, man.

Dammit, Saber, give me a round storm shield so I can minotaur properly

>>529603503
you need power spear

>>529602932
Every time someone says vanguard is good, they can never post one reason why they are then get btfo by everyone else calling out that they bring nothing unique and their elite heal is overrated. Why start another shitpost thread with insecure vanguard players.

>>529603630
Did Decimus cuck you? Are you just that upset about him being a nigger? Why are you austically fixated on your wrong take?

>>529603618
Wasn't the other melee weapon sitting in the files a force halberd anyways, or am I misremembering?

>>529603846
it's an omnissian axe, practically a halberd
only given to techpriests and techmarines
minotaurs use power spears...from olympia...made originally by ugh ugh uhhh...

>>529604145
checks out, I just read halberd in the filestring
so long as it can get slapped on bulwark I can at least swing the look
I'm expecting kitbash feels, not custom shit for every chapter under the sun
even if I would really like Black Dragon's claws and 50 million other things

>>529604145
>Axe has been in the files since launch
>Only now going to release it
This game is genuinely a fucking joke with its updates.

The meta is going to be techmarine, bulwark, heavy.

How class defining you think is that damn shoulder-mounted heavy bolt rifle going to be though? It'd have to be a pretty fucking good if it doesn't involve a servo-arm in some other way.

Instant Kick List

Tac without grenade regen or stalker rifle
Heavy without full HP on pick up or heavy bolter
Bulwark without heal banner or sword
Any assault player
Any sniper player
Any vanguard player
Anyone who is not at least prestige 2 + level 25
Anyone who spends point before wave 10
Anyone who stays near the wave start beacon
Anyone who buys guardsmen, ammo crates, health kits
Anyone who takes damage before wave 6
Anyone who goes down before wave 10
Anyone using anything other than meltas
Anyone who holds onto meltas
Anyone who doesn't choke point hold
Anyone who can't hold their own against 2x Lictors
Anyone who can't parry terminators
Anyone who can't gap close ranged terminators
Anyone who can't infinitely dodge-circuit the map

>>529607362
I think it will only trigger on gunstrikes and only deal 1.1x more damage than normal gunstrikes. Also every single passive will be 'after a gunstrike, deal/take X% more/less damage'.

>>529607680
what's wrong with guardsmen?

>>529607834
Die instantly in later waves while providing no kill potential, you would be better off spending those points on any of the marines.

>>529607775
I think the Bulwark's first team perk should be replaced with something new while the Techmarine's potential perks could make a lot more sense consecrating everyone's active and passive armor regain.

>>529608046
I can promise you that if they actually release a new class it will be a disappointment anyway. Its been three thousand years and they still can't even balance Assault.

>>529607680
autism

>>529607775
I have the feeling it'll be a grey HBR in terms of stats and will be used mostly for adding single digit damage to an enemy you're already shooting or pretending to help clear blobs you're you're attacking with melee

>>529608230
>autism
Yes thats why I have a 25 hard clear and you have depression

>>529607834
>>529607937
Reddit seems to have agreed that spending your points on Marines/Guardsmen to pull aggro is better than wasting money on a Dreadnought who just spends the entire time shooting at Majoris enemies tho

>still playing siege mode
Surely you got the butt ugly helmet on day 1. Surely you finished farming weapon skins by now. Surely you're back to doing comfy Tyranid ops only.

>>529608858
Bait post

>>529607937
>Die instantly in later waves while providing no kill potential
They're eighty shots not aimed at you for, what, 700? What are you going to spend that on instead? Buggy ass Valtus? You can only have one marine and you don't need a heavy for every single wave. Grenades you can pick up in the environment and if you've got a tac you're regenning them, first aid kits are significantly less necessary with certain team perks. You might as well have some aggro draw

>>529608895
>Surely you're back to doing comfy Tyranid ops only.
You know it my brotha

>>529608972
Atrocious logic. They all die within the first 10 seconds of a wave and provide nothing. Even a round of medkits is more useful.

>>529609554
>They all die within the first 10 seconds of a wave
They don't all spawn in the first ten seconds
And no, having one of those fucking biovores shooting at some poor 16 year old guardsman for even a couple salvos can be all the opening one needs

>>529608945
How is it a bait post if they raise a good point though
The Dread often just goes off and shoots at literally nothing and wastes 1500 points
It seems far bette to spend those points on things that have an actual impact by taking enemy aggro so you can deal with priority threats

Is there something type of server problem right now? Or am I constantly just being kicked for being a sniper? Haven't tried seige yet and ive been disconnected 4 times in a row

>>529610112
it will tell you explicitly if you've been kicked. if it's just generic disconnects and error messages, it's the servers.

>>529609705
Na, incorrect on all counts.

>>529610002
I've seen the dread kill all three chaos bosses by itself on hard 15 so no. Bad bait consider suicide for posting it here.

>>529610678
What about the times when it just kills Majoris enemies and doesn’t touch the 3 Terminus bosses? Are you just going to brush that aside?

>>529611659
>What about this hypothetical that never happens!
You should play the game I think you'll find its actually quite fun, let us know when you get your first hard siege match new friend

>>529611659
Not him but if it completely clears all the minoris and majoris on the map and lets me fight the carnifexes in relative peace i'd still consider that valuable
my problem is that sometimes he doesn't even do that he just stops in a corner room somewhere and distracts maybe a pack of minoris and couple of majoris forcing me to still dodge half a dozen venom cannons while dodging lictors and raveners while dodging carnifexes
He's just super unreliable

>>529612191
>>529611961
Which guy do I believe here? The guy saying “this never happens” or the guy saying “I’ve seen this happen?”

>>529612304
Probably the hundreds of posts, videos and evidence about saving points and spending it on the dread at wave 10 and 15 so you don't get fucking stomped anon.

SM1 horde mode was unironically better and we should have had 6 man horde mode in SM2

If SM3 doesn't have 6 man content day 1 its a scam period.

>>529334524
that's retarded, look at bg3 it's way better than their original IP slop divinity original sin

just get people that enjoy the product to make it, owlcat games made good pathfinder and 40k games

The real conspiracy is that GW prefers that all of its video game adaptations are 7/10, AA ''pretty good'' games like SM2 and Rogue Trader. They do not want a massive mainstream smash hit that will overshadow TT sales, which is why they only give their license to small-scale studios that are merely competent. I would not be surprised if some at GW were privately annoyed that SM2 surpassed sales expectations.

>>529616450
they're just going to end up dying if they dont convert to a digital version of table top , ipad babies dont have the attention span to paint figures

>>529612519
The main problem with space marine 1 is that online is P2P MM only and 3 out of four players will undoubtedly have shit ping because of the 3rd world host.
And you need at least one friend to reliably host a lobby.

>>529617030
Battlesector appears to be trying to replicate TT in many ways.
It's also one of the worst warhammer strategy games ever made.

>>529618048
Problem with their top down strategy games is the space marines and everything looks so fucking small. They need to make it like a 3rd person POV where they're bigger and you see the battle from a normal person's view. RTS view is lame as fuck

Is Siege mode a good enough reason to come back to the game for someone who was disappointed with the game initially?

I quit about 20 hours in because you SM's had the durability of fiberboard and the bolt weapons had less impact then Darktides human sized ones

>>529618387
You cannot make a real time strategy game control well without a bird's eye view of the battlefield. It is an absolute requirement for any game that allows you to control a group larger than like five soldiers.
The best you would get is a hybrid command system like 1993 space hulk.

>>529619964
Don't shoot me I'm just the messenger, I think the top down warhammer 40k games all suck cock. Total war fantasy ones are passable because you can zoom all the way in and it looks pretty cool but 40k just doesnt work because there's a lot more guns

>>529618843
It is reasonable that space marines feel like cardboard against the weapons you face, most of the majoris and extremis you see in this game have a high chance of instantly killing space marines in melee and at range.
What truly makes it feel like shit is that they didn't model enemies similarly, many of the enemies you face should be just as fragile(perhaps moreso, you being a human means you are far more accurate).
Normal siege mode is reasonably entertaining because the enemies are incredibly numerous but not offensively tanky. Fighting chaos is still absolute cancer though(there's no pure tyranid siege mode), and the combat system tends to demonstrate how it was definitely not designed with that many enemies in mind.

>>529618843
Siege mode is basically endgame content. If you don't at least have your characters to base max level with perks/gold weapons unlocked, you become a liability. Especially on hard mode. Its also not better for grinding levels too. The xp looks like a lot, but completing all 25 levels is basically a 2-3 hour adventure. Its still faster to level up by speed running inferno.

>>529615646
>that's retarded, look at bg3 it's way better than their original IP slop divinity original sin
BG3 was their own story, characters and they massively changed how DnD worked to fit their own ideology so you actually perfectly proved my point.

>>529618843
You effectively need your weapons maxed out and a general perk plan laid out to get the most out of siege

>>529620432
>t. part of the 5% of people who disliked dawn of war

>>529618843
Fuck no, even if you had enjoyed the game I wouldn't recommend it. There is nothing about it thats better than the operations we already had.

>>529616450
>GWS dont want money
Shut the fuck up idiot

>>529621312
It throws a gigantic number of enemies at you while being able to play on a difficulty where they aren't insane bullet sponges.

>>529621398
They unironically don't if its not from minis or paints
t. Total War Warhammer knower

>>529620739
I think it's the other way around, DND forced their writers to tone down their retarded irony and they still pooped their pants at the end, they really cant write endings for shit at larian

>>529621398
It's the exact reason we don't have a 1-1 video game adaptation of warhammer tabletop, 40k or fantasy.
In some forms it would be a fuck ton easier to make than total war warhammer or dawn of war and it would have been a reasonably simple game to make for the past 20+ years.

>>529621932
>>529622321
You have no clue what you're talking about

>>529622360
Are you going to supply evidence for your claim or are you just going to smugly post passive-aggression?

>>529622251
>DND forced their writers to tone down their retarded irony
Jesus Christ no it was the COMPLETE opposite which is why larian has outright said they refuse to work with Wizards anymore as they fired the entire team which worked with larian. Wizards hated how much leeway they got.

>>529622360

>>529622416
>>529622452
>NA HUH THIS BIG CORP HATES MONEY I SMART
https://investor.games-workshop.com/annual-reports-and-half-year-results

Stop posting your retarded tinfoil hate bullshit any time.

>>529622321
>It's the exact reason we don't have a 1-1 video game adaptation of warhammer tabletop, 40k or fantasy.
We have 1:1 tabletop simulators for Warhammer. Its called Tabletop Simulator and it has every single mini available as well as all the tools you would need to play. Its boring and no one likes it because TT is fun for being physical.

You have no clue what warhammer TT is about, the majority is collectors and painters with a minority being actual players. No one gives a shit about the 40k TT because the 40k TT rules are shit, games like Catan, Gloomhaven, Nemesis even Wingspan crap all over 40k for players.

t. Actual tabletop enjoyer and not some underage retard who got into warhammer when DoW1 released

>>529622528
>see look at all the money they're making
>from models and paints
>the only source of revenue they value
Reread the reply chain.

>>529622528
Yes, they do hate video games because they're a bunch of retarded curmudgeons who sell the license to the lowest bidder. Literally every warhammer vidya release if they don't outright ignore it they sabotage its success because they don't want any possible deficit to their minis and paints you mong
>big
Lmao

>>529622729
>Its boring and no one likes it
This applies to a number of warhammer games, yet they were still given the go ahead.

>>529622839
>>529622768
>Licensing - we own what we believe is some of the best underexploited intellectual property (‘IP’) globally. In the period reported, a few notable games launched including Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 and Warhammer 40,000: Speed Freeks. After the period end we concluded our negotiations with Amazon Content Services LLC, a subsidiary of Amazon.com, Inc., for the adaption of Games Workshop's Warhammer 40,000 universe into films and television series, together with associated merchandising rights. We will give you an appropriate update in the full year report.
>The second element is that we make fantasy miniatures based in our endless, imaginary worlds. This gives us control over the imagery and styles we use, and ownership of the IP. Aside from our core business, we are constantly looking to grow our licensing income from opportunities to use our IP in other markets.
You fuckers are obtuse. I am done with your idiocy.

Finally got the ugly helmet, got carried by a Plasma Tactical as a Vanguard.

The Bulwark kept dying but was always clutch on banner heals.

>>529622839
>1/10 of revenue
>"they dont care about licensing"
You people come up with the most wild takes

>>529623104
>fell for marketing bullshit used to scam investors
lmao

>>529623171
investors are feeling reallllly scammed after 1000% gains in 10 years bro you got him good

>>529623159
>they care so much about licensing that they put zero effort into finding good candidates for the license, constantly hamstring the developers they give the license to with retarded restrictions and demands, and have allowed it to be a tiny fraction of their revenue for a quarter century
Put simply
>1/10 of revenue
>"they dont care about licensing"
Yes.

>>529623104
Licensing revenue is a mere £30m, out of £269m. That's video game sales, books, multimedia slop, animation, everything with the WH branding. The vast majority of their income is from minis and paint sales, often done through the brick-and-mortar stores that have enormous mark-up. They are not primarily an IP licensing company, they are firmly a direct sales company.

>>529623171
>The most successful board game company in the world (minus DnD but that isn't actually that profitable)
>One of the most profitable companies in the UK
>3,667% in ten years
>$10,000 became $376,700
The reason you're poor (and stupid) is because you let your emotions drive your decision making. Ironically if you existed in the 40k universe they would put you down as a heretic, or for just being too stupid to be useful.

>>529623228
>go in expecting growth from multimedia exposure
>GW actually just releases Primaris Baby Carriers 2-5
Yes, lying to your investors is scamming them. Losing them value in dividends is scamming them.
But this argument isn't about investors its about GW giving the IP out to whoever comes knocking because they don't fucking care about anything but mini sales hence why its taken them 2 fucking decades just to release a series of animated shorts. They have no faith in the world they're just buying up what other people are releaseing

>THEY HAMSTRING
>THEY GIVE IT TO ANYONE
It genuinely is not a surprise you guys can't clear hard 25 easily. You have the combined IQ of a rock.

>>529623451
And?

>>529623453
>REEEE THEY'RE MAKING MONEY THOUGH
Not the point
>>529623538
Yes, they loan it out to every mobile faggot possible and the ones that actually stand a chance to make serious money they fuck over, or are you too stupid to comprehend that Warhammer Requisitorialition 5 for IOS is garbage that nobody cares about while Dawn of War, Total War, Vermin/Darktide, and Space Marine do matter.

>>529623492
>Oooooh im shaking my fist right now!
>we made over 3000% return ooooo I am so mad!
>This is a bigger return than the big 7
Keep to shitposting about how you can't clear hard and leave financial reporting and company operations discussion to people with actual work experience and intelligence next time.

>Making money is not the point
Bunch of uneducated communists, in my thread? Its more likely than you think!

>>529623689
We get it. You want to hate on GWS even though 40k is 90% of your personality. Unfortunately for you GWS and 40k has never made more money and their IP business is growing massively.

Stay mad, post more to prove it.

>>529623753
No its not, it was never the point of this argument and continuously bringing it up is blatantly a red herring.
>>529623801
>Unfortunately for you GWS and 40k has never made more money
From mini sales because people are retards.
How's that warhammer fantasy going though?

>>529623451
>Licensing revenue is a mere £30m, out of £269m
Yeah, thats a huge portion of the business. Go work for a company and lose them $30m a year and see what happens to your job.

>NO NO NO I MEANT TO SAY
Now hes trying to backtrack to save face because hes lost the plot on what he even got mad about to begin with.

>>529623953
>back tracking

>The real conspiracy is that GW prefers that all of its video game adaptations are 7/10, AA ''pretty good'' games like SM2 and Rogue Trader. They do not want a massive mainstream smash hit that will overshadow TT sales,

>They unironically don't (want money) if its not from minis or paints
Was always the point, you're just too stupid to understand it.

>>529623896
>But hows X going!?
Who gives a shit? You got mad that GWS makes money from licensing and people showed you the proof its a big portion of their profits.

Take the L and stop shitposting.

>Reddit posting
>Profit isn't the point
>10% isn't big
>GWS and 40k are going down the drain (3000% return in 10 years)
Dumber than a rock.

>>529624042
>Who gives a shit?
Me, the person making the argument that GW doesn't want licensed materials to overshadow tabletop to the point where Total war warhammer only happened because they already shuttered the Fantasy table top you fucking retard.

There is literally one official warhammer movie, it was released in 2010 and it was the sole official piece of warhammer visual media that wasn't a video game or advertisement until 2023. For a franchise that has existed for nearly 40 years.
GW doesn't give a fuck about anything outside of their toys and paint.

>>529624119
>doesn't want licensed materials to overshadow tabletop
You are so stupid its genuinely amazing that you can use a keyboard, are you using speech to text? Is that why your ESL writing is so bad? Can't even get your facts right on when TWW production and fantasy stopped.

>>529624091
>10% isn't big
It's not.

>>529624291
GWS cares about money. GWS also knows how to make money. For a few cents they can print a box of plastic that has a higher margin than anything that a media IP could return because film/gaming IPs have a range of costs including labor that are very expensive.

I know you fags like to play pretend you understand companies but you genuinely, really, don't have a clue. GWS has one of the highest operating profit margins on the planet for their shitty little plastic dolls to painters and collectors. Most games/movies would froth at the opportunity to earn as much as they do from each sale.

That isn't the same as saying they don't care about selling the IP, its just that its rare they ever get a opportunity to do so where they will make as good returns as they do putting up more brick and mortar stores and selling those shitty minis. They have however been doing a fuckton more IP work in films and other media and its making them a fuckton of money anyway which has made them one of the most successful companies in the UK.

Now you can all stop posting your tinfoil hat theories about the doom/death of GWS/40k/IPs products when its actually thriving and go back to crying about how you can't clear hard.

Do zoomers really think "ancient out of touch corpo that thinks video games and the inernet are a fad" is just a meme and not a genuinely real phenomena?

>>529624703
Its not about how big/popular something is its about how much profit you can squeeze out of it. Paying developers to make games is more expensive than printing plastic. Why do you think Star Wars sells so much physical garbage? Why do you think Disney World exists? They're cheap, their profit margins are higher.

>>529624640
>For a few cents they can print a box of plastic that has a higher margin than anything that a media IP could return because film/gaming IPs have a range of costs including labor that are very expensive
>GW only cares about their model sales and not vidya or movies or whatever
Yes? That's what I said?

>>529624920
Not the same, learn how to read you dumb nigger.

It's simply false to claim that GW is ''invested'' in the video game space in any significant way. If that were true, their biggest title wouldn't be Total War at a paltry 10m units, which is fine for a niche strategy game, but quite low compared to mainstream titles. Star Wars and Marvel also have licensed games, but the success or failure of those titles is not going make or break Disney. Just like Disney still mostly cares about the theme parks, GW will always mostly care about the minis. Licensing is a side stream of revenue for both of them, it's not the core business model at all.

>>529625012
>paltry 10m units
You are a dumb nigger

>>529625012
And no one claimed it is, stop getting mad and shitposting so much

>>529624703
They let the other companies take the risk because they dont make video games. So many games flop. They're happy to get free money from licensing than risking everything they have on a big sexy game that doesnt sell enough

>>529624868
Some video game series have generated tens of billions of dollars for the companies that developed and published them.
Making the right game could get GW more revenue than all the money they've made for as long as they've existed.

>>529625012
>"invested"
>1 of 1 match
Retard

video game generals?

>>529625368
video... games?

>>529625318
>Some video game series have generated tens of billions of dollars for the companies
>Making the right game
And if backyard was filled with oil you would become a billionaire. See the problem with this logic?

>>529625368
Last gasping breath before we stop having /sm2g/ generals, enjoy it while it lasts because Siege flopped badly and i doubt we can maintain it much longer

>>529625318
It would also force them into being a different kind of company which is why it'll never happen. They've had plenty of opportunities to transition into being a digital IP publisher and have not taken any of them. They like running their little stores and don't want to rock the boat by letting another company print money off their brand.

>>529625107
10 million doesn't even get it close to being on a top 50 list of best selling games.

>>529625318
>ye bro just make a billion dollar game
You are stupid as shit

>>529625560
>i doubt we can maintain it much longer
you have been here for a week, you have no idea. there have been more codes been posted than during 7.0 period

>>529625594
Go google how many video games get made a year then google how many reach 10m sales in a year and maybe you'll learn something for once

>>529625705
I've been posting here since before the split, project more newfag

>>529625560
lol
lmao

>>529625705
>there have been more codes been posted than during 7.0 period
>not one code running right now
Full of it

>>529625609
Most successful game in history was an almost comically basic concept turned into a game by one swede in the span of a single year.

>>529625984
>Ye bro just make a billion dollar game
I wish I could be as dumb as you, to live so free of reality how nice for you

>>529625984
>Its simple so its easy
Post $1000 worth of profit from a game you made. I'll give you $100,000 if you can pull it off.

>>529625984
>guy who doesn't shower daily or make his bed thinks making video games is easy
Lol
Lmao
Rofl

>>529626278
It's clearly easy for some people.

>>529626410
How would you know? You've never done a thing

10 millions units sold is for the entire Total War trilogy. The third one sold about 2.3m units. I believe SM2 is the best-selling title at around 7m units. Which is good, but it's not even in the top 20 for last year's titles.

I actually have been watching all the warhammer+ things (pirated though, fuck paying) and I'm impressed at how entertaining they are.

>>529626573
Because some people make good games on their own in short spans of time with next to no budget. Other people need hundreds of people, hundreds of millions of dollars and 7 years to make anthem.
Do you live in a glass house by the way?

When the Warhammer + Fornite event happens, that's when you know GW is finally serious about vidya.

>>529626865
everything I've seen so far from warhammer+ has been kind of shit honestly except for the exodite
of course that was originally a fan project GW just poached under threat of legal action

>>529627117
Google typing monkeys and learn something for once

>>529627117
>confusing luck for skill
Minecraft was a statistical eventuality.

The bronze/silver/gold melee weapon skins from siege mode are all bugged and only display the base variant colors when equipped.

>>529629706
>The bronze/silver/gold melee weapon skins
the what

>>529629921
These. For the power sword, knife, and thunder hammer. They don't actually display different colors in-game, they all look the same. They are recolors of one of the base Artificer weapons, which is the skin you will actually see when you equip one of these new ones.

>>529630334
These*

i fucked up the first screenshot

>>529630516
thanks anon, for a second i thought you were just fucking with me with a deleted pic. these weren't even mentioned in patch notes, were they.

>>529630749
They're the red/white/blue skins but for the non-chainsword melee weapons
The ones that don't have a casing in other words

I have a feeling infinite cloak sniper was not their intention for this update.

>>529635968
Isn't infinite cloak sniper a thing since a while back but they accidentally patched it out with a bug between 7.0 and 8.0? Peak saber updates btw, accidentally fixing an exploit game style with a bug and then reverting it without thinking about it but only after 2 months.

>>529624291
>wishing for a warhammer movie in today’s DEI faggot nigger rainbowfest climate
That would unironically cause more damage than good. You think grimdark can get a pass in the industry? Look at what happened to the witcher, what an absolute butchery they made out of it. Is that what you want? Space marines that talk about diversity and billionaires, as if they were fags living in san franscisco? I pray cavill can make something decent, even though i have my doubts

>>529636230
You're right, looks like they tried to nurf it at some point yet here I am sneaking my way to wave 20; might even be able to get that wave 15 hard mode helmet with this.

>>529635968
>>529638147
How do infinite invis

>this thread outside of burger hours
>mfw reading all what I've missed since last night
What the fuck guys?

>>529649985

>>529650380
The anti-vanguard shitposter starts revving up around midnight EST, this might hold some water.

Any codes to farm absolute for leveling? Full of shitters atm

First time submit my homebrew to the dude wall:
Imperium beholder

>>529652571
sure, want me to babysit you? post one and I will join as long as its europe

>>529652571
7HDF3

>>529652641
good taste
the tiara is a nice touch
needs more Citadel® Thousand Sons' Blue™

>>529652641
post full screenshot bro. dudewall anon crops it himself

>>529653448
what is a meme

>>529652641
in case you didn't realize >>529653125
is calling you a tranny

>>529642004
nta, but all i know is that if you make a headshot everyone gets 25% ability charge back, and there another perk of 2 seconds of cloak after it breaks and if you use it really quick youll get it back almost instantly so you can be invisible as long as theres minoris targets around and have ammo to make headshots
>>529259601
snipers versatile precision is really good, its 1 per 6 ammo
materials upgrade seems fine, but id rather have krak grenades if im going to get a special grenade, playing like a sapper with the grenade restoration perk at 25 seems like the way to use it, but is that really worth doing over a sniper, which is the same problem with the problems of the gunstrikes perks, you shouldnt be in those situations as a sniper
emperors grace is probably insane with the amount refunds you get against trash mobs, but that requires you to be 22 or something
versatility is fine

>>529653652
>posting a space maid marine
he knows damn well what he is doing
you on the other hand