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>Latest News/Updates:

Vermintide 2:
New Map: The Well of Dreams - Live now! Skulls In-game Event - Patch 6.6.0
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Darktide:
Free Update: Battle for Tertium - Out Now! (Patch Notes)
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Hotfix #69 (1.8.1) - Patch Notes
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520842750961124013?l=english

>Acknowledged but not really discussed
Ready Or Not
Starship Troopers Extermination
Aliens: Fireteam Elite
Killing Floor 2
Barotrauma
Left4Dead 2
SCP: 5K
GTFO
No More Room in Hell 2
Helldivers 2
Space Marine 2
Remnant 2
Payday 3
Back4Blood
Deep Rock Galactic
Earth Defense Force 6
WWZ
The Outlast Trials
The Forever Winter
Firebreak
Wildgate
and others

>Future games
Killing Floor 3 - delayed
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1430190/view/499441143215293470
Den Of Wolves - TBA
DarkSwarm - TBA
Blight: Survival - TBA
Jump Ship - TBA Demo Out

Build planners:
Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/
Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/
Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

NOW, LISTEN TO THIS, LEXBREAKERS

FIIIIIIIIIIIGHT OR ANSWER TO ME

ATTENTION, NIGGERS

my thread, our thread
hog thread.

THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING

THE LEX IS THE LEX

Why are so many darktide youtubers homosexual or trannies?

Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

>request to join while wearing raised visor cosmetic
>declined or ignored
>change to loadout with sam fisher helmet and that one pretty female cut
>accepted into every single one
people are sheep

Weapon Pack when?

>>529286156
>request to join as arbitrator
Declined, you're part of the 80% pool, and someone else definitely has a better build than you.
>spending actual money on raising your fucking visor
please be bait

NONCEIO AQUILA DEPLOYED

SEXUS MINORIS 12 SPOTTED

Guess who rushed, died to demon host, died from
falling while trying 1v1 plague ogryn, died from net at point of no return and always deliberately tried to be across the room from us.
And yeah we almost failed during extraction because the dude couldn't get back to the plane by himself.

>>529286573
SEXUS
MINORIS
12

>join some low level havoc because I still haven't gotten my 40
>spend entire match dealing with short freezes
>start disconnecting halfway through
>DC several times
>final DC occurs as soon as we win and are about to go to endgame screen
FUCKING
CUNT
SHIT
NIGGERFAGGOT
DICK
Yes, I will repost my ragepost because I'm a retard who didn't notice the new thread until after

>>529286712
>tfw no red chest piece with gold shoulder plate

>>529286632
The liability. It's always the liability.

>>529286632
Idk, based on that screenshot , you and JudexFerrum are the shitters

>>529286758
Delete your score board history
Update your GPU drivers
Verify game integrity through the launcher, then through steam
Make an exception of the game folder in windows defender

>>529286947
Drivers are updated, but I'll give the rest a shot. I've never pruned scoreboard history, so it wouldn't surprise me if that was an issue. I assumed it auto-pruned and never paid attention to check

Do Mortis Trials count as private games for penances like Psyker's "deal 50% of a monstrosity's HP with Brain Burst?"

>>529287354
Private games are private games, if you run it privately, I assume it works. Can't confirm though because I haven't farmed penances with anyone in ages. I'd be up for trying it right now if you want to post a friend code.

>>529286712
a huge cock would be nice

>>529287471
i'll give it a try later on, thanks anon

>>529287354
It does, I got the 50% boss HP psyker penance that way

What's the best Arbites combat ability? I'm currently using nuncio aquila because it creates an anti-fun zone for enemies like dome shield

this is what ever lobby feels like now

>>529290328
Break the line is the most generally applicable and most useful.
Nuncio aquila is useful in settings where your team actually sticks together, so basically never unless you're in havoc.
Chastity stance is a crutch and a disappointment, but really good for getting a revive off, and also bolter sniping if you're allergic to the class that does it 3x as good for some reason.

>>529290328
Nuncio is genuinely bad because the zone is small and you dont get to move it
People debate about Break the Line and Castigator, they're both really good but i personally prefer Break the Line

>>529290328
break the line is generally the most useful ability but castigator stance is for when things are truly dire

>>529290489
i like it

Kind of weird that there aren't many recent guides and vids on youtube about DT mechanics, map strats, etc. Even build vids aren't that popular. Guess not a lot of generic gaymers play it or even remembered the game for the past 2 years.

>>529290328
Break the Line imo.

What changes from havoc 30 to 31 that makes you all think there is some hard barrier there.

>>529291332
the launch was pure dogshit, not really surprised

>>529290328
Break the Line - great in aurics, requires point investement. Shit in boss spam havoc
Nuncio - mid in aurics, great in havocs, place down with psyker bubble and everyone inside will be invincible
Castigator - great in both, insane crutch button & lets you do risky plays you otherwise couldnt

Wew, finally done with all penances, only missing 30 more missions on Arby now
Time to go back to EO wallhacks

>>529290560
>Chastity stance
Motherfucker, it’s Castrator’s Stance

>>529292871
Why are you asking us and not the people somehow getting stuck there?

>>529287474
no it wouldn’t fag

>>529294541
nta but yes it would doublefag

>>529291332
I think it's just that there isn't much to say or do.
Most build videos are the same because the meta is stagnant sadly. And the reason is that the stuff like DS and plasma exists, but also because fatshark has refused to try balance this game in a timely manner.

>>529291332
I was surprised too when I first got the game. Most people who make videos on it barely reach into the hundreds of thousands of views. Sad to see a lot of people got tired of waiting around for the game to be ‘good’.
>>529285781
Looks comfy.

>>529294759
Why is it always plasma tards, when bolt pistol and boltgun are both better at doing the veteran's actual job? You don't need to cleave through infinite targets with your gun when your grenade has that handled, and even that isn't your job when 2 other classes have better infinite cleave weapons. I don't even accept plasma vets into my h40 anymore, they're always worthless retards.

>>529286389
I'm rich you're poor, cope

>>529205447
Kind of late but I want an improved magic system. Give us more access to the WoM. It’s hard to believe that out of all things they could have went for with Sienna’s extra magic it was Necromancy but there you have it.
>>529206176
I agree with this too. Kislev in particular would be neat. Maybe give us some mounts to ride around on in the big open areas

>>529294750
>nta
sure closet fag

>>529290489
Saved. Nice

>Gurry "Brunt" Cernik: Did the shipmistress just call you a snaffler, sir?
>Vin Morrow: She doesn't mean anything by it. Just likes looking down on honest soldiers, that's all.
>Gurry "Brunt" Cernik: Aye, sir.
>Vin Morrow: Means her and Rannick should be getting along well.
>Gurry "Brunt" Cernik: [Chuckle] Aye, sir.
>Vin Morrow: Or they'll kill each other.
>Gurry "Brunt" Cernik: Aye, sir.
Thanks, Brunt. Good talk.

>>529290489
It's gonna be like that for a month or two every time they release a new class. The honeymoon has to be allowed to wear off.

>>529292871
Is that the swap from EFL1 to EFL2? I don't remember. I've been trying to join a 31+ lobby all morning. Wish I got True Survivor the first go 'round and didn't stop playing 40s after a couple wins. Would probably make people more inclined to accept me.

>>529296038
Brunt's VA should get a raise for those. He's great.

>>529289474
sweet, thanks

KILLING FLOOR BROS WHERE WE AT????
LESS THAN ONE MONTH TILL WE GO HOME
PLEASE BE FUCKING GOOD

This feels fucking impossible to complete
any advice?
I managed to get the god damn dodge mutants penance while trying to do it.

>>529296868
It's gonna be shit

>>529295858
>everyone that disagrees with me is the same person
projecting fag AND schizo!

>>529296868
Refer to the chart.
You know full well which category this game is going to be in

>>529296875
>impossible
i got it on my first attempt at getting it lol

>>529296875
Just fucking hit a mutant

>>529296875
Wind up big fuckoff overhead, press go button, release.

>>529297030
>inspect element

>>529297284

>shotgun is reasonably ammo efficient
>pistol is no worse than revolver, ammo wise
>actual meta guns don't struggle for ammo
>penance farming terminus warrant works best with guns you really need to make an active effort to run out of ammo for
>the class has a fucking ammo talent
Can someone explain to me why virtually every game with an arbitrator in it has at least one of them constantly blowing through all of their ammo reserves and begging for more?

>>529295110
The bolt pistol grenade spam is only really applicable and useful in havoc due to enemy density. And the thing about the bolt pistol and bolter is that on their own they are fairly balanced, it's just the blessing interactions which make them absolutely broken. Like the explosion radius and puncture on bolt pistol applying to the mastiff explosion and it applies to veteran shredders.

Also just because those things are OP as fuck doesn't mean the Plasma isn't a problem. Like c'mon, 100 fucking cleave and retarded amount of damage on a non-charged "light" shot? Which also punches through all walls. That shit ain't balanced

>>529297850
They're retards who only shoot to kill things. Or they're using the shotgun to kill monsters in a monster mash Maelstrom.
t. shotgun pistoling specials and monsters to death in my last Auric Maelstrom
But I didn't have ammo problems or need to hoover up all the ammo, so I don't fucking know

>>529297850
those shotguns are not all that ammo efficient, it's like calling the bolter ammo efficient.
That said a lot of these returning players are also just retarded and blow past like 15 small ammo pickups with their ammo in the orange and then wander why they ran out.

>>529297850
I want to shoot the heretics.
Now give me more ammo, Vet-Bot

>every single Khandones video now he's seething about Arbites
funny how all the bootlickers that received early access and didn't have to pay for Arbites hate the class and/or want it nerfed
Reminder that all Darktide playtesters and youtubers know each other, are never in disagreement and push one agenda towards the developers

I decided to do some H30-35 to help out the hardstucks now that I got my True Survivor.
There's just always something. Disconnections that end up with the whole thing falling apart, or worst of all, some REAL hardstuck players.
Like a veteran that's dead half of the game and blames it on
>Weapon swap not working
or
>5 fps after rez
Just some absolute bullshit about it being the game and not his fault.
Reminds me of some of my buddies who I know would be hardstuckers if I encouraged them to tide, just from seeing how they operate and react in other games.

>>529297850
I constantly see people run past ammo pickups, even in H40. I've been playing with that Improved Markers mod since my first 10 hours of game so maybe the base game makes it really hard to see pickups.

>>529298330
>da jooz want to nerf my arbites!!!!!!

>>529298437
>. Disconnections that end up with the whole thing falling apart
This has been my day. Hasn't mattered what I've done with my game or my PC; I just keep fucking disconnecting.

>>529298437
I swear I've had that happen to me, where my gun doesn't swap, didn't die from it since I was running lethal prox bolt pistol anyways and it staggered everyone but I was left wandering why the fuck my melee weapon didn't come out, maybe I should get that mod that queues it up to make sure? it's apparantly known to happen.
bad FPS is just the game having a memory leak again i think.

>>529298543
This but replace "jews" with "faggots that really want to ruin others' fun because they didn't have to pay" and it's unironic

>>529297938
I'm not saying the plasma gun is balanced, it's actually kind of disgusting ammo efficiency wise, but then again most of that is on paper. It's not a good weapon in the hands of a tard, and it's still not what you bring a veteran for even if he's good at using it. I want my veteran to ammo efficiently pop gunners and disablers, and both bolters do it the best.
Also bolt pistol explosion radius doesn't work on the dog explosion from what I've tested. I also haven't noticed the bleed work on shredder grenades, but maybe I've tested it wrong. I haven't tried the explosion radius on veteran. And that's not what I meant with bolt pistol, either. It's that it reaches higher damage per shot than the boltgun by virtue of having a crit weakspot damage blessing, but I'm not 100% sure about breakpoints in h40, as I really dislike playing vet there.

What annoys me more is that every shitter and plebbitor is kicking and screaming to get the plasma gun nerfed, when all of that is just bandwagon behavior, because I am 100% convinced none of those morons know how to use the gun properly, let alone build it effectively.

>>529297162
>>529297210
that's what I've been fucking trying
But even when I fucking kill the bastard the penance doesn't count as completed

>>529298720
you need to hit them while your moving dude.
I'm amazed you haven't done it by accident.

>>529298060
>it's like calling the bolter ammo efficient.
But the bolter IS quite ammo efficient. Built for headshots, it one-taps most things it has to, on most classes. Veteran does it effortlessly, arbitrator requires some investment and slightly weird perks on the gun, and zealot should probably just magdump bosses with it.
It's only inefficient when you magdump it into crushers. Don't do that.

>>529297030
Lil bro really took ten minutes to work this inspect element. If you want dicks on a woman you are gay you fucking retard. Cope harder.

>>529298543
>da jooz
Where did he say that

>>529296868
The joke isn’t funny anymore dude. I’m legitimately under the impression you’ve managed to delude yourself into thinking it’s going to be good at this point. Tell me I’m wrong and you’re not doing that to yourself.

>>529297850
ive genuinely seen arbiters ignore ammo pick ups like morons

>>529298931
>It's only inefficient when you magdump it into crushers. Don't do that.
I'll do it anyway and kill the entire patrol.

>>529298460
>ping ammo for team behind me
>one of them is orange, the others white
>watch the guys with white ammo pick it up repeatedly
at that point I just start taking it for myself sorry bud...

>>529298330
To be fair some shit needs to be nerfed.
Or Fatshark really needs to do a proper balance pass for the game where they tweak enemy health and damage to get this stuff into a reasonable balance region.

>>529298330
sounds based
I want plasma and toothpicks nerfed as well

>>529298330
Khandones is a retarded faggot who thinks he's friends with the devs while they use their relationship for free labor
That's all the playtesters tho

>>529299439
Yeah, I've had that happen many times in games.
Just complete retards who constantly whine "I need ammo!" and are constantly in the orange or red with their ammo. And when I do ping an ammo pick up the faggots just run completely past it even though it was in their field of view. Even thrown down an ammo crate too and pinged it and replied in chat about it.
The cunts still just keep running ahead "I need ammo!"

I just think many retards who do this are actual malicelets who don't know how to conserve their ammo but they are also completely oblivious to their surroundings and said obliviousness is the reason why most of them are hard stuck at Malice or Heresy.
Only reason why they are appearing in Aurics now is because the Arbites class is genuinely OP as fuck, so it compensates for their lack of actual skill and game sense.

>>529298330
Jewtubers are bad, and clique faggots are bad, but put your contrarianism aside for a moment.
Arbitrator, while having a much better designed skill tree than other classes, still suffers from a lot of power creep. You can do joke builds of filling in every talent you can and trying to make it symmetrical, and because the top of the tree is so goddamn overtuned, it actually makes a good build. You don't have to think to make the class work good, and when you do, it makes auric maelstroms feel like heresy.
I love the class, I have like 110+ levels in it by now, and I also welcome nerfs. Nothing particularly major I'd hope, but it's pretty silly how much arby's overperforms below havoc.
I still think some team compositions without arbitrators stand out a lot more, performance wise, in h40, they're just not talked about because they're not the hot new thing.

>>529300363
There's a few reasons it works to do the "symmetrical" build, and none of them are because "the tree is overtuned".
Look at the other classes. Half their talents are obviously dogshit and useless, or half of the tree is entirely operative modules (Psyker, Zealot). The reason Arbites is powerful despite not picking keystones is because they learned to avoid doing the same mistake as they did with these 3 other classes, and now every talent has tangible value to it. This is progress, evolution, not powercreep. You should expect the other classes to get talent tree reworks that will allow them the same feat.

30°C (86°F)
35 (95) announced tomorrow

How can you guys survive that? I'm not used to these temperatures.

>>529286376
Wait for VT3
>>529286573
I wanna fuck her…

>>529300895
To add to this, the way the other classes powerspike is through only a handful of talents. Arbites gets power increments spread throughout several talents. Zealot gets powerspikes. Just look at Zealot: ONE talent gives him 50% toughness damage reduction for 4 seconds on a critical hit, and another gives him a +50% damage boost to weakspot and critical hits. TWO talents give you a tankiness and damage boost that Arbites needs comparatively 4 or 5 talents to achieve.

>>529301085
I have a desk fan

>>529300895
I agree with all of your points, but the class is still power crept, and the talents near the top of the arbitrator tree are far too strong for how easily and efficiently you can get access to them. It feels like you were supposed to take at most 3 of those, but nowhere below the blitzes offers any tangible benefit for heavily investing in both sides except the bottom, and the bottom has a couple of extremely efficient talents.
See pic related. That's a genuinely good way to build obscene amounts of survivability. It's not that I think having the skill tree set up like this is bad, but rather, I think that the numbers up there are too big, while the numbers further below don't stack up against it. Top-heavy is incredibly strong, you should try it some time.
There's also the part where there's relatively little reason to go very deep into the bottom of the tree, because the handful of efficient damage nodes are more than enough to make the class extremely strong, especially with the clearly power crept exclusive melee weapons they got.

>>529301213
Yes, I agree with everything you said, but arbitrator doesn't need to damagemaxx to output silly numbers, and pathing to the actually good damage nodes is either piss easy, or literally free. Using the zealot example, you're committing yourself to a very specific build, while arbitrator can take those talents on virtually every single one. Which is good! But I think the numbers are too high for how easy and free it is, and most of all, the class' melee weapons seem to be too strong.

>>529301085
Have indonesians discovered air conditioning yet

>>529301213
It's their way of making talent trees retard proof: just make everything a small world of warcraft tier
>15% DR for taking a step
buff, and this way retards can't fuck up their builds too bad. If you miss the 50% DR on crit talent on zealot it's pretty severe. Can't have that
Conversely this totally negates the point of talent trees and totally kills what makes them interesting. If they're just a collection of small passive stats they're boring as shit

Khandones does joke builds while playing with 3 friends with a combined several thousands of hours of playtime and in a voice call for call-outs.
That guy is carried in every single game in which he doesn't use meta. He only posts his wins, and in those he still tends to perform poorly. He probably helps his teams lose a lot outside of the videos we watch. When you get to Havoc 40 you can't lose it either, so there's little incentive to keep performing well.

>520k damage to melee elites in melee maelstrom
By far my favorite Maelstrom modifier. Ranged trivializes this game. Now I just need to do it as Bitties without dog bombs everywhere including my own

>>529301992
>knives, benediction, blazing piety zealot meta path
Ironically enough, for how powerful this can be, I don't respect zealots that build this way in my havocs. I've had much more success with players that aren't enslaved for that meta. Purity aura on its own is a major reason to even bring a zealot, and that now taxes you an obscene amount of points if you also want until death/holy revenant.
I don't even think toughnessmaxxing is the way to go in havoc 40 unless you're doing a very specific, damage focused built using either fotf or stealth to (literally with stealth) buttfuck bosses, deep dive for rituals, and act as a guaranteed clutch. Immolation grenades give you the 20% health regen on the path, and health builds turn martyr's purpose into CDR for more chorus, making for insanely stable AND easy to play support. There's no coping for damage here either. I regularly sit at 1-1.2 million, most of it just spamming flamer as the dedicated ammo consumer, and then in groups where I'm not allowed to have much ammo, I can focus much more heavily on purely supporting and diving gunners.
The two most successful zealots playstyles I've had in my team were pure DPS-maxx stealth, and a complete meme support build using the crusher for stagger spam, and flamer PRIMARY FIRE for stagger and brittleness. The "I SWEAR I'M A DPS CLASS" copelords that only bring chorus because they're forced to, just don't cut it.

That's not to say the tree is well designed, and I would much appreciate if all classes had a tree as flexible as arbitrator or nu ogryn (to a degree), but havoc 40 really brings out some weirdly effective, interesting build choices. Everyone thought smoke grenades were trash, and they're actually really, really good in havoc.

what is the difference between fire frenzy and deathspitter? Which one is better?

>>529303095
both dogshit cuz you shouldnt be shooting things that are considered "close range" but hitting them instead

>>529303095
Deathspitter gives strength (damage, stagger, cleave)
Fire Frenzy gives close damage

>>529303095
One's damage, the other's strength (damage + stagger + cleave).
Also, "close range" isn't as close range as you'd think. Go to the psykhanium and you'll find it's 25m, which is honestly quite far. Definitely further than you'd usually engage flamers or trappers at.

>>529302009
Agreed, but that doesn't change the fact that playing arby's in auric maelstrom feels like playing heresy. In situations where psyker or veteran would be fighting for their life, arbitrator just presses F and ignores most gun fire by virtue of swimming in retarded amounts of toughness, clears out entire mixed hordes with any of the three grenades, and has a fucking shield on top of it, all without ever sacrificing boss damage because there's 20-50% baked into the skill tree.

>>529298720
Try with eviscerator, rev it up and aim for his side. Cut him in half in mid air and collect your gay penance.
It does not count unless you make the kill while the charge is active and aiming FOR the mutant will stop your momentum at the mutant.

>>529303095
Deathspitter is strength meaning damage, impact and cleave while Fire Frenzy is just damage, both can stack up to 5.
Deathspitter is marginally more useful because you also benefit from it at any range, so you can shoot through some shotgunners near your face then some gunners behind them at 30m while the buff is still fresh.

>>529303209
Idk how "close" is close range, but I wanted to try the veteran machine gun and to be honest all available blessings seem very mediocre.

>Actually good at the game tier
First Tour Guardsman
BigDom
Reginald

>Drops spaghetti in front of demonie tier
ChocoB

>Good but retired from the game tier
Telepots

>Poser tier
Mister E
Khanodes
Tranner

>RealAsianRobot tier
RealAsianRobot
MilkandcookiesTW

>>529303685
>veteran or psyker would be fighting for their lives in auric maelstrom

>>529303865
>>Good but retired from the game tier
>Telepots
lol retard

>>529303865
>Drops spaghetti in front of demonie tier
Sounds like one of us

>>529303470
>>529303758
close range is exactly 12.5m

>>529303879
>clandestium
>solo because everyone fell off the edge
>a fucking monstrosity spawned
>there's massive waves of armor on both sides
Yes? That's not an easy situation at all. Arbitrator doesn't care and just rapes them all.

Arbitrator seems hilariously OP
>tanks like an ogryn
>deletes things at range like a veteran
>shits out melee like a zealot
>free on demand special deleter dog that can't even be attacked by enemies
like lol

>>529304061
>veteran or psyker would be fighting for their lives in auric maelstrom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXChcCArxQI

>>529304151
Yeah, I'm expecting a nerf 6 months from now, but who knows

>>529304151
He also has psyker bubbles at home.

>>529303865
>Reginald
Hi Reginald

the dueling sword uncanny strike plasma gun with infinite ammo and golden toughness every 10 seconds class can't consistently win auric maelstroms, only arbites can do that now.....

>>529304151
"Arbitrator OP" seems to be the easiest way to out yourself as hardstuck non-havoc 40 assignment rank midwit in these threads

>>529304151
It kindof is, at least in aurics, I went back to vet after doing all my penances and I feel like absolute piss soaked tissue paper, and in hi intensity shock shit I don't feel I ever have the room to really plink away with a ranged weapon, bolt pistol doing the emperors work with its ability to be whipped out, dome a guy, and put back away in a split second.

>>529301085
Those are pussy shit temps. Try living somewhere where that’s the average every single day

>>529304508
Ironic post from some paypig who obviously feels extremely called out by any post decrying the arbite

>>529304508
>implying havoc 40 is the only metric that matters
You can do better than arbitrator in havoc 40, but that doesn't make the class any less overpowered in lower difficulties, retard. You're either too poor to afford the class and see for yourself, or are projecting your hardstuckness, or both.

>>529304640
nta, but Alright man, there's a few things that go into temperature, one part is architecture, in places that are hot all the time, the building isn't designed to soak up heat all day and turn into a sauna and may have air conditioning built in,, in places that get cold they tend to design buildings to catch and let in sunlight to warm them up as much as possible because muh energy bills, another part is that the human body acclimates somewhat to temperatures but it takes a bit of time to do so, so sudden spikes or dips in temperature really fuck with you

>>529304917
Every class is overpowered in the lower difficulties if you have more than 50 hours of playtime

>>529301992
>this way retards can't fuck up their builds too bad. If you miss the 50% DR on crit talent on zealot it's pretty severe. Can't have that
To be fair, it is pretty dumb for fatshark to make a skilltree, but then make it so that all of the good shit you want are in 1 part of the tree.
Like with zealot the big reason why 99% of players take knives isn't exactly because of knives themselves, they are good but they aren't the main reason.
The real reason is because you got shit like Scourge, Second Wind and Enduring Faith all in the same line. All of which are practically mandatory in a good zealot build, because those are the few actual good nodes in the entire tree.
Like Stun grenades are a good example for a comparison, as a blitz they are good and work well, but the reason why most people don't take them is because the skills preceding it are just terrible.
Like Disdain, which is just not a good skill and then Enemy Within, Enemy Without is just straight up inferior to Second Wind in everyway possible.

The skilltrees are fine at a conceptual level and mostly well designed, the problem stems from the fact that the devs clearly didn't make all talents equally strong and desirable.

Hammerblow for Shield+Mace in high havoc, or does the stagger keep up?
>just play them yourself and find out
I am trying

>>529305054
I accept your concession.

>>529305140
I'm NTA you've been crying to
If you seriously don't think every single class is at least good enough for Havoc (which yes, means they are overpowered for Aurics) you are a tourist, retarded, or both
If you can't win Aurics with 15 second golden toughness every 20 seconds you might need to reconsider a lot of life choices

>>529305097
Arbite has stagger nodes everywhere and is built to stagger everything under the sun, you will not have issues staggering enemies.

>>529305097
You trade DPS for survivability, which isn't terrible if your team already has enough damage.

>>529305089
>but the reason why most people don't take them is because the skills preceding it are just terrible.
Kinda true. They aren't all terrible, but they mostly aren't great either, yeah. EWEW and Disdain are mediocre as fuck. Vicious Offering is situationally strong (very nice on a Martyr Relic Blade build, for instance) but also situationally useless.
You can go the stun nade line and still get Second Wind, and it's what I tend to do with my Martyr builds that don't run a high crit weapon, but yeah. Zealot tree is pretty fucking wack overall.

>>529305097
Hammerblow is entirely overkill, you get enough stagger from the talent tree
Go Opportunist + High Voltage for pure DPS

>>529305458
As long as it's a weakspot hit, it's Rodney King time. It's fucking ridiculous.

>>529304151
yep, broken piece of shit. Now snorics are even more boring than they already are

>>529305458
>>529305647
Cool, thank you.

>>529305468
Right, but at some point you reach a saturation point of stagger where any excess is pretty much wasted potential.

>>529305097
Played a couple h40 games together with a piggy earlier this week, where he had the same thought and experimented with his build. He swapped over to full staggermaxx and was disappointed, saying that it didn't make a huge difference. Take this with a grain of salt, I only have that one player's experience to relay, and haven't experimented much in h40 with arbitrator yet myself.

>>529305370
>constant hyperbole
I regularly beat maelstroms on all of the classes, but I'd be delusional to say that the class with infinite toughness and literal healthgate mechanics isn't ridiculously easy compared to classes that can't afford to make a single mistake else they instantly die (see psyker). The thing is that I don't have to pay attention on arbitrator (and arguably ogryn) and perform at least as well, if not better.
Also for the sake of argument, some of the best havoc 40 zealot builds (which are usually support) are kind of shit in aurics because they rely on the flamer too much, and enemy density outside of havoc isn't high enough to be relevant. You're unironically better off with the regular meta zealot just killing everything with melee.

>>529303865
>RAJinald

What Snorics players refuse to believe is that Arbitrator, along with Ogryn, are designed for Havoc. They are the two classes that received redesigns after Havoc was added, and yes, Fatshark has made it obviously clear that they are designing around Havoc. No wonder they can tear through Snorics.

>>529306174
Why won't they fix the other fucking classes then, holy shit veteran is painful to play sometimes.
Feels like thrice the effort for the same results.

>>529305541
>You can go the stun nade line and still get Second Wind, and it's what I tend to do with my Martyr builds
I get what you mean, but I think this here highlights the problem perfectly for the zealot tree.
You pick Second Wind because you realize already that EWEW alone is just not enough for toughness regen.
The sad truth is that Second Wind is zealot's best toughness regen skill in the tree,hands down and to not take it just a bad idea.
Like yes, you can build out the skill with stuns easily, but you don't take Second Wind at all. I can guarantee it's gonna be absolutely miserable.

This is one of the reasons why Zealot's skilltree needs a massive overhaul and many skills need major buffs and there needs to be new skill additions, especially for toughness regen.

>>529299025
please dont samefag this hard, thanks

>>529306391
There's a 99% chance they will

>>529306174
I believe it, and I believe this is a bad thing.
Classes that weren't designed with havoc in mind, and have terrible skill trees, are still disgusting top performers in havoc, without enabling such easy mode that you can turn off your brain in maelstroms.
Another anon brought up a good point earlier about how aurics are now infested with tourist piggies that ignore pings and run past ammo and whatnot, because the class is such a humongous crutch, allowing them to kinda sorta survive in difficulties they have no business being in. This is a bad thing.

>things start going wrong in my Havoc game
>get stuck on absolutely nothing while a Reaper is pelting me from behind
>instead of turning and holding up shield I'm doing everything I can to just fucking move off some invisible fucking protrusion or something
>die
Fuck my life

>>529306812
Think they'll be working on that now the DLC is out?

>>529303865
>First Tour Guardsman
>BigDom
>Reginald
None of these were able to clear h40 on ogryn pre-buff before practicing for 15 hours. They're all shit in my book

>>529306439
Oh yeah, absolutely. If they don't touch Zealot tree after revamping everyone else's I'm going to be more than a little pissed off.

>>529306174
Balancing around Havoc is just retarded.
And I know the reason why they are balancing around it specifically. It's because Fatshark for whatever reason has gotten this idea where Havoc is gonna 100% be the end game for Darktide and all players should be playing it. That's why they are pushing Havoc so much and changing it around.
But sad truth is that it's just not gonna work at all because Havoc only appeals to like less 1% of people. And the entire gamemode is entirely centered and designed around Jewtuber faggots like Reginald's, Jsat's and E's demands.

But this doesn't reflect reality, majority of the high skill playerbase just prefers to play aurics because they are less cancerous and are in that sweetspot where you can fuck around with whatever build you want while having a challenge.

>>529306174
I'll only accept this as not completely fucking retarded once they stop forcing dogshit unfun modifiers onto havoc, just give me histg. Also add all the maps to it. Until then this is a dogshit way to balance the game that completely kills the enjoyment of pugging for me

>>529303865
>FTG
his niche is Solo SM2 runs because its easy as fuck for a reason
>Reginald
hahahahahha
>Mister E
i dread having one of his viewers in my team every day
>Khanodes
plays alright but is way too fucking contrarian, likely shitposts in here too

dont know the other homos

>>529307162
>high skill
>auric
you guys will never let this meme die will you

>>529307162
To begin with, I exclusively play these games by quickplaying with randos, that's whats fun to me. Meanwhile H40 is specifically designed so randos can tank your run. Yes, I got H40 in every season so far, with randoms but I don't want to actually play it with randoms. Aurics/Damn pre-powercreep were way more fun to just queue in. I remember when auric maelstroms were actually really spicy and fun with randos on average (because they sucked) now they're just a total snorefest

They need to add difficulty 6 or bring shit down

>>529307162
>>529307217
Agreed with both of these. Damage resistant, regenerating enemies are fucking turbocancer and every run with two modifiers that makes enemies even more spongy is just actively un-fun. It's so bad that even havoc enjoyer groups I've played with actively avoid those modifiers, and have another player host, or disband for the evening if no other are available.

>>529307396
it might surprise you that not every good player wants to deal with the dogshit that is havoc

>>529307474
I understand but let's not pretend like aurics need high skill. You get like 200 toughness with every class, everything is made of paper, you physically can't run out of ammo and there's a horde every 3 minutes, it's just too chill

>>529307396
The harsh reality is that players who regularly beat auric are high skill by darktide standards, and that even players who regularly beat havoc 40 still enjoy aurics more.

>>529307445
Don't worry, with all the returning people the quality of randos has desperately plummeted to the point you'll have to carry the whole team in aurics as you watch these fuckers act like they've never played a L4D-like game before despite having +300 levels.

If you want to balance around Havoc, you need to either make Auric significantly harder now that it's a standalone difficulty or add a new difficulty after Auric so that both can be balanced in tandem.

>>529307601
They used to need a decent amount of skill before the most recent update, but i also didn't read or get the impressions that anon implied aurics needed high skill

You're also speaking about aurics as if Havoc was the standard for the game, it's not
If anything you're made of paper in Havocs, while enemies are overly tanky and hordes are active all the time

>>529307601
>I understand but let's not pretend like aurics need high skill.
They don't, but that's the only place for high skill people who don't want to play Havoc. Like me.
I've got to H40 with my ogryn pre-patch around January and I recently did it again after the patch as well, but I just do not find Havoc fun or interesting to play.

So what does that leave me with? Where should I go?
Logically only place is aurics because it's the hardest the game can get barring Havoc, which I don't care to play.

>>529307869
Yeah the current concept of there being two choices, which are:
>baby easy snorefest you can scenic walk through while your team destroys it for you with OP classes
vs
>brutal rapefest where one mistake on behalf of any teammate causes the entire run to self-disintegrate and the whole team gets collectively punished with a rank down
is dogshit. There needs to be an inbetween. I want a challenge but I don't want it to go to the degree havoc goes

>>529301828
Here's a you because apparently everybody ignored your poor bait about your neighbour country and it's a bit sad.

>>529307871
>They used to need a decent amount of skill before the most recent update
Auric quickplay is a joke because a lot of the games you get are story missions and inferno, both of which are piss easy. I'm not sure how much they fucked with the director because I gave up on regular aurics, and went straight back to maelstrom.
I don't get the impression that maelstroms inherently changed. It's more that there's now a ton of mall cops around, and the class trivializes the entire melee aspect of the game just by existing.

>>529308082
That and I really don't want to fucking deal with Party Finder. It's better if you're the lobby maker, but it's fucking dogshit as the person looking for a group. At least make the fucking thing auto-refresh. There's probably a mod for it, and I just don't care enough about Havoc to go grab it.

Is it true that Arbites K9 handlers have unwritten rule of forming *very* close bonds with their cyber-mastiffs?

>>529308042
>So what does that leave me with? Where should I go?
To this, and similar sentiments, I think the INTENT is that you help hardstuckies beat havoc 20 or something, because that effectively is the middle ground.
I also think that's gay and stupid, as is having to use the party finder.

>>529302009
>When you get to Havoc 40 you can't lose it either, so there's little incentive to keep performing well.
Can anyone explain how this works? I only recently bothered to actually hit (and beat) havoc 40 on my own assignments, all of the previous times I just leeched someone else's because I wanted to be fucking done with it for the week, since it's so unfun unless you have a dedicated group.

If I have beaten my own havoc 40 assignment, and lose all three pips, what happens?
What happens when the week rolls over?

>>529303075
Post your supportmax build bro i'm interested

>>529308989
Your rank no longer decays if you hit 40

>>529309725
Mind you this doesn't mean your won't be reset.
FS said they will periodically reset Havoc ranks when a new "season" begins.

>>529308190
Yeah, coppers are stupidly strong, mini ogryns basically
i can run through Maelstroms without much of a care, even if all 3 of my teammates are just dead weight the entire time, i just feel unkillable

Is the dog any good?

Even with Damage Nodes, I don't think it's that good unless you use Bleed Splosion.

>>529308042
>where should I go?
to copetown, fag

>>529309993
That's why I'm not doing havocs this season, not participating in your rat race

>>529308591
>I think the INTENT is that you help hardstuckies beat havoc 20 or something
And that's the problem, I don't fucking want to.
And I have actually played few H25-H35 missions, majority of people on that level are just retarded and often it just ends up in the missions failing.

>>529310119
The dog is very good, even without bleedsplosion. It requires voltaic mandibles to deal any damage, and some damage in the tree, but you should almost always take the left keystone anyway because it's the best. Right keystone is no slouch either, but dog misses the left one.
It also shits out toughness just for existing.

>>529310119
for the millionth time, dog can do good damage but his main use isnt extra damage
that said, voltaic mandibles does retarded damage to armor
also some blessings work on it, like the bolt pistol ones for the dog-nade

>>529306174
and snorvoc is just hugging each other while spamming chorus and cuckbubble. what a great game mode

>>529310521
Yes, you actually have to use your active skills to complete havocs.
Imagine that.

>>529310521
As opposed to beating aurics blindfolded without ever feeling the need to use ultimates

>>529310775
I know what you posted is in bad faith, but that's very clearly not what anons problem is with havocs
>>529310835
>Ultimates

>>529308236
>and I really don't want to fucking deal with Party Finder
This is another reason why I just don't care for Havoc. The party finder is just terrible and unfun to use.
Sometimes it honestly has the same feeling like you are sending fucking job applications but all you get is REJECETED REJECTED REJECTED REJECTED
It's just dumb.

Also hosting your own Havoc is a fucking gamble if you don't run mods because you can't get a proper 'read' on people. Like being able to see the person's true level and what their loadout is basically mandatory to make a good decision if you want to add a guy to your strike team.
Otherwise it's a blind gamble.

>>529310170
Same here, no real point.
Not like there's proper incentive to do so anyway since all you get from Havoc is useless crafting mats.

>>529310968
>Fatshark creates Mythic+ for some fucking reason
>introduces the exact same problems as the dogshit mode that ruined WoW even more
>will likely stubbornly stick to balancing around for it and pretend like everyone loves it and its THE mode people want to play
oh man im not feeling so good

>>529310889
People do different shit all the time.
I had a shout smigger do the jobs of 10 blaze bubblers the other day.
There is no bad faith, just people who actually play havocs and then there's people who got carried in H40 once, and then their teammates changed and with it comes the realization that you were a hardstuck all along.

>>529304508
Surely players jumping from malice straight into auric maelstroms means class isn't overpowered because someone got carried through havoc 40 and has an opinion

>>529311152
Someday I'll do the bare minimum for that one armor set and then never touch it again.

>>529311284
Please, don't touch havoc at all. It would be terrible for all of us

>>529311154
Let's see your scoreboard history

>>529311393
I don't use mods.

>>529311359
I've done a bit of it with some friends before but they play very infrequently and I have little desire to do havocs with randos.
plus there's the whole party finder system thing which I just don't wanna deal with.

>>529311154
I wouldn't know, i don't play havocs because i have no interest in them
I know that people run genuine meme builds in H40s though, but these people are very very very few and far between and among the 0.1% of the playerbase, anything would eventually become easy for them
>>529311359
I have considered starting Havocs every now and then after some really boring Aurics, its given me assignment rank 23 but i feel i'd genuinely rather start from 1 so i don't annoy other people in case i DO fuck something up
But then i also think theres just no point to it, I've seen True Survivor's play worse than me and none of the armor i could get interests me
Maybe once they make genuine Red Weapons (100% stat cap) and lock it behind Havoc or something retarded like that

abloo bloo bloo bloo bloo
ME UNGA
TEAM BUNGA

>havoc 31-32
>rumbler spam ogryn and smigger psyker on team
>I'm playing arbitrator
>finish with exactly 1k kills both games, 150 more than the ogryn and psyker
feelsgoodman

>>529311440
Ah sucks, if you did you could back up your retarded opinion with proof you're not just posting to be annoying

>>529311869
correct

>>529312064
I can post you a picture of my True Survivor title and feet.
That's the best I can do.

Team unga'd
I bunga'd...
Sorry team

>>529312272
nta but we dont know if those are actual feet
could be robolegs you're hiding...

>>529309696
There's a lot to explain, and the thread is likely still going to shit on it because most users here would rather pretend they play havoc 40, than actually play havoc 40.
The TL;DR is that my aim was to make the build simultaneously as easy to play, and as stable, as physically possible. Things have to go extremely wrong for me to not contribute. Flamer is the damage dealer, boss kill, and party horde clear here. The build assumes that you get most of the ammo pickups, but theoretically functions without them.
Zero toughness investment can be a little tricky to play, but you do get good DR from blazing piety's left side, and should be under piss toughness 90% of the time that actually matters anyway, and your +% toughness curios do not apply to it.

A similar version of this build is how I originally got my true survivor two weeks after release. It barely changed since then, and it's my most played and most successful havoc 40 build. Works just fine without bubble and without veteran, but would obviously prefer to have both. The ideal 4th is a dedicated melee damage zealot with stealth, otherwise you should be playing bodyguard for your psyker, especially when the lack of vet puts ammo pressure on you.

I hope I haven't made any mistakes setting up the picture, it was all a little haphazard. I accidentally had grimoire resistance in there for a second.

>>529312272
Are you still the same anon because i'm not comprehending why you'd post
>there's people who got carried in H40 once, and then their teammates changed and with it comes the realization that you were a hardstuck all along.
and then post your true survivor like that couldn't obviously fall under the same umbrella, too

>>529312482
I said that's the best I can do.
Again, I don't use mods, so all I can post is something from within the base game.

>>529312336
Just stay out of my aurics

>>529312695
Yeah I was just lamenting that we can't know if you're a poser just posting to be annoying or if you actually play and enjoy H40 with randoms. Coincidentally you're one of the like 3 people on the planet who play H40 without mods. Sucks dude that's all, wish we coulda resolved this

>>529312436
You should go for the 20% backstab cooldown reduction instead
It's literally 12 seconds off your chorus every time you kill one poxwalker from behind

>>529313069
This is correct. it's easy to get backstabs once you practice just a little.

>>529313069
Nope. Getting a free cooldown restore whenever I fuck up by taking damage means I'm insanely safe by virtue of being able to instantly go back into the gold, and the entire team benefits from it. It's easier and safer to play with martyr's purpose.
I acknowledge that the backstab cooldown reduction is very good, but it's not the point. Having crutches and bail-outs is the point.

>see a lot of arbitrators saved from poxhounds by their mastiff
>imagine if they didn't have that free out of jail card
It's really the shitter class

>>529313307
tbdesu I sometimes don't even bother paying attention to dogs anymore when playing arby's. It's bursters that are the bane of the class, because sometimes the dog is a tard and knocks them back into you after they trigger.
Also the current state of the game has so many retards in it, I get like 5 of them shot in my face every game, it's ridiculous.

strawhat my wife i miss you

>>529313456
dog will not pounce on poxbursters anymore next patch

>>529313307
Congratulations anon, you finally arrived to the logical conclusion that most people playing Arbites are new or returning players. You don't tend to think much do you?

>>529313307
TBF a lot of us do it once to get the penance, but yes, the game is full of scrubs
>>529313576
Nope, it's in one of the Penances.
Specifically there's one to have the dog pounce like 50 poxbursters or mutants

>>529313576
Yeah, I heard. I can't wait.
Still won't stop sub-human thirdies and slavgroids from shooting them in my face when I try to push them, unfortunately.

>>529313629
When will you learn English, by the way?

>>529313307
>push burster away
>dog knocks them back towards me
>take damage
If you're even a little bit competent the dog is a bigger hinderance than boon. That's why anyone who's not complete dogshit runs lone wolf.

>>529313307
I run Lone Wolf.
>t. played this game since Damnation used to be a challenge

>>529313743
The dog doesn't automatically target bursters anymore.
Not even with Unleashed Brutality.

>>529313690
>Nope, it's in one of the Penances.
I assume the intent is that the dog doesn't pounce them on its own, but you can direct it to.
Also does that penance really exist? I must've gotten it randomly while just playing the game. Does it include bombers? Because I always sic the dog on bombers.

>>529313743
The dog is extremely strong, and lone wolf is overrated. It's mostly super good in havoc for mine or grenade spam, but puncture dog is fucking ridiculous and still does all the dog things. When they fix the burster thing, it will stop being a hindrance.

instakill shotgunners... good times...

>>529313939
I wouldn't know since I'm not a complete shitter. I just run lone wolf since day 1

>>529313729
When will you get a job so you stop being salty at people that have money

>>529314056
Ah, triggered the resident pajeet I see :^)

>>529313964
There's 1 for bombers, trappers, and one other I forgor
And there's 1 for Muties and Bursters

>>529303865
you forgot my nigga unc at the top

>>529314119
Funny projection considering you're here every thread crying from envy that people are spending a kebab's worth on the DLC because your mom won't let you use her credit card to buy it

>>529314168
>actually booting up the game to check whether it's real
>it is
I must've gotten that by playing random maelstroms with all the mutant spam, then.

why does copeg always pull out the jeet card ?
>>529303865
>>RealAsianRobot tier
kek

>>529314305
Dude I have the dlc good goy edition, I just said it was a noob class and you go all "uur duuur me rich you poor saar!"

>>529314469
>it's a noob class
You have no idea just how true this is. Try playing it in a lower difficulty and watch the dog do more work than randos.

>>529314469
You play difficulties where you unironically get matched with new players that don't push hounds. You are no any less of a shitter.

>>529314416
Yeah you probably got all 3 of these easily.
I've not played a whole lot of Arbiter and I've still got these to here.

>>529314667
>implying there are 0 shitters in auric

>>529314754
There are ONLY shitters in auric

>>529303865
Tranner actually cleared havoc 40 unlike literally everyone else on your list.

>>529314889
I mean if nothing else I laugh at his willingness to call other people on that list retards.

I'm fucking over it. I got semi-consistent 40 clears the first couple weeks of Havoc, and now I'm stuck in the 30s because people are incapable of staying alive or pacing themselves. Motherfuckers play like Auric and just gogogo regardless of the elites and shit that're already on screen. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>529314795
Shitter here, can confirm
>just walk forward with the dog explosion and castigator
>packs of shotgunners and gunners evaporating via the arby shotgun
>team manages to fall because of 2 trappers and a few crushers
>walk back and raise them
>continue to walk forward
Even considering the nerfed enemy density, arby makes it complete light work

>>529314889
only cause he got carried by his orbiters, including Mister Estrogen

>>529303865
>>Drops spaghetti in front of demonie tier
>ChocoB


CHOCOB-SAN NOOOO GAMBATE CHOCOB-SAN YOU CAN STILL IMPRESS HER!

i don't like chocob because i got in a vt2 game with him years ago and he just speedran like a fag

Anyone got a good ranged Arby build? I feel like mine is... beyond shit.

>play Helldivers 2
>the highest difficulty is game journalist mode
>community keeps asking for a higher challenge that will never happen
>everyone has had a 99% mission success rate since september
>get into Darktide
>conquer Aurics, get bored
>find Havoc
>challenging enough that people with thousands of hours in the game can still find it challenging and exciting
>community wants to stick like glue to the easy modes, complains about the challenge of havoc over and over
You niggers don't suffer enough. You deserve worse

>>529312779
joinin your aurics SAH

>>529315445
Yes because when you make a difficulty so hard it becomes impossible even for the majority of the 0.5% best players if 1-2 people get downed/killed, it becomes an extremely frustrating crapshoot as to whether or not you lose because of your teammates. Then add on the fact that party finder is fucking shit, and you have why we think Havoc is a pathetic attempt.
>oh boy there's a captain, a twin, a horde, a monster, and constant special spawns
>also two of my teammates just went down
>GG I guess
>time to spend another 30 minutes looking for a fucking game
/spit

>>529315445
>the highest difficulty is game journalist mode
I uninstalled because of that in February
I haven't played Havoc in DT yet because I just can't find a group. Not sure if I'm unlucky or the game just expects you to have 3 friends who play this game.

>le sigh, i wish the hardest difficulty wasn't so hard. it should be accessible for everyone, including us console players! we like penances too!

>>529315373
for the record, this is my current shit (level 9, spare me the bullshit)

>>529315802
do you even play this game?

>>529315802
It's a mode that many games lack: you actually need coordination and a team with experience and knowledge that knows what they're doing. Of course you lose because your teammates in the COOP shooter are bad, if you could carry then it would be too easy. You don't realize how many games are missing something like this and are boring as fuck because the hardest difficulty is beaten by randoms with 0 coordination so when any group of people with 500hrs or more meet there is 0 challenge to be had

>>529315445
See >>529307217
Design a shitty limited side game mode, people will treat it as such. There's nothing more to it.

>>529315802
Winning every game is not fun either.
I honestly don't believe high havoc players who stay care about that.
And it does not take that long to get a game if you've actually cleared the hardstuck line. Nor to find a game in the hardstuck line considering how many hardstuckers there are.
And once you have Havoc-Forged you basically have a high havoc pass whenever they reset the clearance ranks.

>>529316048
One of us certainly doesn't.

>>529316143
And I'm not saying it needs to be done away with. I'm saying it's poorly implemented. Stop present this false dichotomy of me wanted everything to be as easy as Auric. All I'm saying is that it's not tuned well. It'd be fine if people weren't retarded and incapable of properly estimating their ability but lmao.

>>529315197
Mister E never cleared havoc 40 tho

>>529316503
>Stop present this false dichotomy of me wanted everything to be as easy as Auric.
Jesus Christ, what an ESL moment. I can type Engrish, I swear

>>529316438
not that guy but I liked old damnation because it was hard, your teammates often jobbed, which resulted in having to solo clutch a lot. It was not actually easy
Now my choices are between Havoc 40 which can't really be solo clutched unless the stars align and auric maelstroms which are so easy I might aswell play with my eyes closed

Game needs that middleground again where your team jobs and you get a spicy mission as a result

Sob, this shit is so fucking slooooow

>>529303865
>Actually good at the game tier
>reginald
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>529316753
They said they're upping the auric to have a high-high intensity eventually.
And it's not like H40 is your only choice, most H+30 games will be about the same since The Emperor's Fading light II is the real deal.
It's just that low 30s contain more aspiring hardstuckers.

>>529303865
Uhhhhhh... Jsat sisters?

>>529317065
>ruined vermintide and havoc tier

Check this build I found lol.

>>529315151
Just use voice and tell people to back up, it's massively improved my winrate.
People have this insane need to hold their ground but if you just start backing off things work out

>>529317063
>They said they're upping the auric to have a high-high intensity eventually.
I don't think it'll make a difference considering auric maelstrom seems intact and I'm constantly doing them deathless nowadays. As in, the whole team deathless. This used to be a rarity, people usually full died 3-4 times.
I think if I had to specificy why exactly I don't like this game anymore it's because it lost its skill floor, and the only gamemode with a skill floor left is too team reliant to be fun for me. When I used to play old damnation and people jobbed it was huge fun, I could save the day. On H40 if people job it just sort of is prohibitively tuned so I can't overcome it, so I'm not really having fun. And while it's sometimes fun to team up with my friends and beat H40 with them because we're all good, 90% of the time I play this game it's alone with randoms.

Also, H30-40 are basically the same to be honest. And below that it's piss easy because it doesn't have the second fading light. There's no middleground there either.

>>529315445
Fucking Thank you.

>>529315802
If you don't like it, don't play it. Play auric. Play lower havocs. No one is forcing you to play h40.

I forget who of the old school youtubers trooned out, J_sat or milkandcummies?

>>529317410
See >>529317406
>Also, H30-40 are basically the same to be honest. And below that it's piss easy because it doesn't have the second fading light. There's no middleground there either.
Just playing lower havocs isn't a satisfactory middle ground either. Also I've posted this before but it sucks dick that I'm expected to give up map variety and modifiers that I actually enjoy so I can actually play something challenging. I think that is indefensibly bad design

>>529315373
>>529316032
Man I wish I could help you in-depth, but I just don't respect ranged focus arbitrators.
Ditch razor jaw, it's complete doodoo. It only creates a tiny explosion of bleed, that does NOT affect the original target, so it barely does anything.
Get walk it off, it's the comfiest talent.
Get yourself a bolt pistol or boltgun, put the bleed blessing on it, swap to it before you dog explode and watch everything die.
When using the bolter, make sure you click heads. The crit while aimed blessing can help with this. If you're unsure how this works, install the "show crit rate" mod if you care to.

I'd start with something like this for a boltgun focused build, then see where to move on from there. I like going rather top-heavy, but I'm not 100% sure how important more damage nodes are on ranged builds, they might be. I'd definitely take target neutralized near the top, and potentially even the dog toughness regen while within 8m.

>>529317354
That's the best advice you can give. Just say "back back back" in voice chat and you'll be fine. If not then your teamamtes aren't even good enough to clear malice while being carried. 4 people is more than enough firepower to steamroll havoc 40 in a proper chokepoint.

>>529317406
>too team reliant to be fun for me. When I used to play old damnation and people jobbed it was huge fun, I could save the day.
Sounds like main character syndrome to me.

>>529317676
It's fine if you want to interpret it that way, it's just that the game was more fun when it was winnable despite your team, yet still not a cakewalk. It's the sweet spot for pugging

>>529317806
>when it was winnable despite your team
This is the mentality that destroyed Helldivers and you know it, anon.

>>529317935
I don't know how you mean that because I didn't play it so I don't really get the connection

helldivers... the game that was supposed to save /coopg/...

>>529318057
They made it winnable despite your team.
Now it's snorics all the way to the top.

>>529318142
It was too popular and got it's own general, we need a worse game to come

>>529315197
I was on his world first havoc 40 run actually, he invited me to fill deep into progression. I hadn't touched havoc before that and he clearly knew what he was doing with his callouts. We got True Survivor from it as well.

>>529318186
I specifically said
>yet still not a cakewalk
though. Sounds like it's just the same issue as Darktide aurics now, even the shitters can do well in it now so it's totally boring
It was the most fun when you actually had to be good to do well in it, and you could still overcome multiple dead weights. That's the sweet spot I'm talking about

>come back after few months break
>have to regrind from 30-40 due to rank reset on season
>feels like nearly everyone in the early 30s is fucking shit
Why can't these faggots just not die. You don't need to do mega awesome damage or get kill feeds. Just do damage and don't fucking go down. Maybe I should just wait until the next season. Fuck me this is aggravating.

>>529318727
We're at about 5-6 times the player count from before Arbys even during dead hours.
You're playing with hardstucks.

>>529290489
could have at least included some Judge Anderson or Hershey in there

>>529318727
New class DLC and Steam summer sale just dropped, so there's an influx of rusty returning players and newfag shitters

>>529318727
Nah bro you gotta grind it out with the retards so you can then smugpost on 4chan about how it's not actually a horribly unfun experience and anyone who doesn't undergo it is just hardstuck

>>529318936
So I've realized. And even though I did fine in 40s, I'm not good enough to make up for this shit. I'll have to try a weekday during NEET hours or something.

>>529318936
God, every mode and every difficulty is full of people who don't do really basic shit and just try to one man speedrun everything, it's sapping my will to live.

nyaggar :3

>>529318376
And I'm saying making the game winnable despite your team will always just become snoric.

>>529319147
kek
Havoc with competent teammates is fun. It's a nice change of pace from aurics being easy as fuck. But with bad teammates it's pure cancer.

>>529319402
Not really, Darktide difficulty wasn't snoreful in the past. It used to be at that sweet spot. Solo clutching was genuinely hard. They were only easy games if everyone was good

Retard here
Are there no longer heresy and damnation variations of aurics?

>>529318376
>>529319687
>They were only easy games if everyone was good
Exactly, anon. People got better with time, as always happens, so they had to make higher difficulties.

>>529319941
correct

>>529319941
No, aurics are just now damnations with hi int. But the hi int part isn't working, so they're literally just damnations. Enjoy playing 20 games of damnation so you can unlock damnation.

>>529319687
patch 13 ruined the game imo

>>529320012
Lol no they didn't, you're out of your fucking mind. Havoc highlights how dogshit the average random still is. It's just that player power is now tuned so that they can pull their weight on aurics despite being horrible at the game.
Look at arbites, the skill floor is literally underground. Don't worry if you don't know how to push a dog or dodge a mutant. Don't worry if you like to shoot poxbursters. Don't worry if you get overheaded by crushers.

Like, your weird gaslight that actually the game is still the same difficulty REALLY doesn't work when player power has arguably gone up by 300% since launch. It's just a weird dishonest reach.

>>529320259
You should have gotten better. Why didn't you?

>>529320358
What on earth are you on about? My complaint isn't that anything is too hard or too easy for me

>>529320259
Your whole argument is that you do not like the co-op aspect of a co-op game, anon.
Havoc enforces co-op.
Why are you playing a co-op game?

>>529320469
He's retarded and finally realized he has no argument

Do you guys think arbeetsu will be nerfed?

Why the fuck did they remove Aurics? What am I supposed to play now? Havoc?

>>529320640
Some of the weapons might be.

>>529320528
No? I didn't say I don't like the co-op aspect, I don't like when the game is tuned so a bad player can pull his weight because it denies actual clutches and skill expression by preventing those situations from arising (cakewalk games)
I also don't like when the game is tuned so I can't actually carry bad players because it just turns into an exercise of rolling through teammates until you get a good roll which isn't fun to me (havoc)

You're gonna keep insisting this is somehow antisocial but I just like doing struggle pugs and I'm always nice and have a blast with the people even if they're not good at the game. I don't know if this is you or someone else but >>529320358 kind of already showed the hand that he's just trying to feel superior to me for no real reason so he just started posting weird non-sequiturs to insult me.

I hate the start of Clandestium Gloriana...

>>529320725
Please keep the weapons. Just nerf the dumb shock mine and that's it.

>>529320906
But you get the hardest part of the map out of the way first. if your team can do that, they should be able to do the rest.

>>529320906
I love it.

>>529320856
Is you wanting to carry bad players not just you wanting to feel superior to someone?
In fact, you wanting it so bad that it actively hinders your enjoyment of the game.
Pot meet kettle. You're coping.

>>529321349
>can't keep posting without misrepresenting someone's argument
lmao

>>529321349
>Is you wanting to carry bad players not just you wanting to feel superior to someone?
No, I know you're hyperfocusing on smugposting and projecting, but I actually want it so there's a challenge I can personally solve with my own power even though it's a co-op game

>>529321423
No, please, tell me where I'm wrong.

>>529320640
Yeah, absolutely. They'll wait until the current player surge has passed, though, because unfortunately, "whoa guys this new class is SO STRONG you need to try it RIGHT NOW!!!" actually sells extremely well. Once the broader casual playerbase moves on for newer updates in other games, and only us mainstays remain to complain, Fatshark might tone it down.
Of course, they still have yet to bring the dueling sword in line with other weapons so who knows how far off in the future any arby balancing will be

Anyone else feel like arbiter is too strong? I feel like I'll grow weak by playing him and not know how to play the game anymore without OP bullshit.

>>529320640
Right after the dueling sword, just two more weeks bro. They'll totally nerf it this time

>some gaynigger jewtuber with gorillion view has """""boss tips"""" saying "if you accidentally aggro a daemonhost just go away and die lol"

so this fucking retard nigger was why turbo shitters were doing this?

>>529321657
they must have missed the "accidentally" part then becuase I keep seeing these motherfuckers walk right up to them.

>>529321657
I mean, when someone in my games triggers a DH, I actively stay as far away from them as possible because I figure anyone dumb enough to aggro one is also too dumb to survive it and I don't want to catch any purple bar space AIDs in the time it takes for them to get downed. So really, I can't disagree.

>>529321657
This doesn't matter anymore, 4 Arbiters can just beat the shit out of it

>>529321860
maybe before this patch, now everyone has 5 staggers in their back pocket and just burns it down while stunlocked
>game didn't get easier btw people just got better

>>529303865
Corrected list

>Good tier
BigDom
Vamp
Reginald
Rawk

They actually know about game mechanics beyond DPS and dodging. Appreciates proper team composition, synergies, positioning, and can actually bring value with utility talents.

>Mid tier
ChocoB
First Tour Guardsman
Mr. UNC
Telepots
Khanodes
EpicCole
Tanner
Amasa 魔王
Jsat

They have good mechanical skills. They can press the right keys to hit hard and survive, but that's about it.

>Oh shit varlet what are you doing tier
RealAsianRobot
Mister E
Ryken XIV
MilkandcookiesTW
Jeficus

>>529322094
memeing khanodes and coles irrelevant little 200 viewer shit channels into relevance is gonna work out one day i'm sure

>>529322094
Realasianrobot should still have his own special tier just for him, he is beyond retarded and I think his builds are made using a fucking dartboard.

I am now John Arby's.

>>529322094
Stop putting reginald in good tier

>anons are still buck broken by the hindustani lion, reginald

>>529321993
yeah but i still don't want their space goop clogging my healthbar so i shan't be helping
maybe i'll be truly magnanimous and toss a shot or two at the DH from a distance, if and only IF i feel so inclined

>>529303865
>>529322094
Lots of other generals have "no e-celeb shitposting" right in their OP but some people here just love fellating these guys like they have a stake in their channels and we don't stop it. Everyone keeps responding because their opinion on actual fuckin nobodies is important I guess and it is the exact reason it doesn't stop.

TOTAL JEWTUBER DEATH

>>529320906
LOOK OUT, EXPL-

The funniest thing about the Reginald dox is that he's literally into cuck humiliation porn, but people find it more egregrious that he's indian
indians really are the bottom of any social hierarchy you can conceive

>>529322094
>BigDom
>Vamp
>Reginald
>Rawk
These niggas suck too. All youtubers are dogshit at the game lmao

>>529312482
>if you don't get Havoc 40 every week your opinion doesn't matter
yes piggie, make sure to play Havoc every week! and buy all the cosmetics you need them!

>>529323291
our game is so deprived of meaningful content that shitting on ecelebs is more rewarding than talking about the game
arbites remedied this for a bit but the class is pretty much solved at this point

Arbites shield is so fucking fun. Please don't nerf it... I just want to bonk...

wristlets, your response?

Fix arbites dog bleed explosion
Maybe nerf smite a little
If his melee weapons get nerfed then i'm back to ogryn

>>529323921
I don't think anyone's complaining about the shield.

>>529323797
Try reading those posts again

>>529323970
They need to overhaul how blitz work to stop both dogsplosion bleed and Untranny Strike shredders, but that means a lot of work and potential to break shit, so sweggers will take their sweet time.

>>529324709
I haven't looked at the code in a long-ass time, so this is not a rhetorical question, but a genuine one: Is damage not attributed to abilities or anything like that? Because one, incompetent, hack-fraud way of hotfixing this is to literally just exclude those specific things from interacting. Definitely the wrong way to do it, but it would get the job done.

>>529304337
>>529306158
>>529307321
>>529316917
>>529322656
Good posts
>>529323467
I mean, one of those things informs the other. Their “men” are pathetic

>>529320906
YON

>>529318142
Diarrhea can’t save anything

>>529315445
I love that Luce is 40k material now
>>529317507
>milkandcummies?
Why do you call him that

>>529325038
That explains their lack of olympic medals

>>529311152
WoW was shit *long* before that I’m pretty sure

>>529306174
they should add my cute foxxy wife as an abhuman :3

>>529306174
>Havoc player explaining why he needs buffs and stronger and stronger classes to beat havoc
if you didnt beat h40 on ogryn before his buff, you didnt beat h40

Wait, Reginald is REALLY indian? how do you guys know this?

>>529327080
no one knows, we are just psyoping it

>>529327197
Saaroping

>>529327080
Look for archived post >>460939570

>>529327416
Doesn't exist.

>>529327589
>newfag
arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/460894821/#q460939570

:Kappa: 2-0

>>529326185
Hence the "even more"

>>529286947
>>529287308
You can prune your score board history?

>2 people go down while some pick-two(at least) combination of twins/captain/monster is up alongside a mixed horde and specials
What do I do to not lose this Havoc game?

>>529327416
>freedom of speech defender
wtf i like him now

>>529328237
>press F as zealot and yell at the other guy to RES RES RES RES RES
>eat shit during the attempt
>have until death and martyr's purpose and just do it again lol

>>529322094
>Reginald
the indians out themselves

>>529328162
Yeah, just delete the contents of
%AppData%\Roaming\Fatshark\Darktide\scoreboard_history

>>529328237
accept defeat

>>529297850
Some people just love to blast away without rushing for more. Arbys is a frontline feeling kinda guy, so he should be wandering about the area looking for ammo when he's not blasting, but also being mindful about how much he takes.

>>529306578
Learn what words mean rakesh

>>529298060
Right? I'm a team player in almost all COOP games, so I tag any useful item I find for others to grab. Even Speed stims. But some people just run past it or don't even think to double back, even if I'm standing there to cover their backs.

A shame, but that's expected of returning/newer players. You're rusty/new.

>>529328364
he cheers and circlejerks when his discord mods delete people for having opinions he doesnt like

>>529328897
>falseflag
what wonders will you post next

>>529328237
Queue again. And remember, if you don't? You're hardstuck

>>529327416
Okay I'm going to subscribe to him now

>>529329086
I'm already hardstuck. I've won one game in six or so because that fucking scenario is what ends up happening almost every game. I've given up for now. I'll try again during NEET hours

whats your crusher build with the cute puppy?

>>529298330
>>529300363

I think it's just that "new class honeymoon" period talking. Where they let the new guy be powerful to get people to buy the class and come back to the game for a month; then they do some nerfs and there ya go.

I just pray they don't fuck up the shotpistol/shield or the Arby Shottie. those are great!

>>529329253
I honestly like running the boltpistol on arby, not even for the puncture exploit, it's handy just being able to quickdraw it, blow away a special, then go back to swinging my maul around.

>>529301085
It's called an A/C. it's 2025. I know global warming's fucked, but at least we can still buy A/Cs thank god.

>>529304508
>>529304697
Is the sorepoint that you have to buy him? If he were just free content would people still complain?

>>529329248
using the shock maul instead

Mr E said my cat was objectively very cute in his live stream

>>529329363
NTA, but without puncture exploiting, I prefer using either the Mk VIII exterminator or the shotpistol since those absolutely chunk monsters in addition to special deletion. That and they're unique to Arby whereas I use the other stuff on other classes already. Bolt Pistol is great though

>Tried to play a Helbore Lasgun build with three arbies on the team
Yo I straight up had no fucking fun lmao. Every elite and special was instantly clotheslined before I could even charge up a shot.

>>529307162
There really isn't a end game for Darktide. You day to day play is either:

>Doing Heresy/Damnation quickplay casuals for fun
>Aurics
>Sefoni's Chaos Wastes
>Havocs

That's it. Fundamentally it's all the same game, and the only rewards is cosmetics and resources. There's not really any SUPER LOOT to get like it were WoW Mythic+s.

There's no "Raid Mode" yet (as in proper WoW kinda raid), and thankfully they haven't thought to gatekeep story content ala WoW behind raids or certain modes (unless you count the Sefoni thing).

So I dunno.

Captcha: OOOOY

>>529330036
>KNEEL!
>OUT OF MY WAY!
>BONK BONK CLANG THUMP
>BEEP-BZRRROOOP ACK-AUGH-EUYGH
>SUFFEEEER!
>THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP
yw for the carry lil bro

>>529330036
NGL, I have more fun with inf lasgun

>>529329253
All the VT2 dlc classes are S tier (except maybe Necromancer? and she's still really good) so I hope they just let Arbitrator remain S tier.

>>529315445
Honestly like like both.

>>529330036
>Not only does Arbites completely cuck and replace Veteran, it also ruins their games
Genuinely perfect class.

>>529330691
Personally, the couple games I've played with arbitrators as veteran were super comfy. They're like ogryns with actually competent guns, that don't wander off and die to dogs because they're immune to those. Stick close to the most competent one and you're virtually perfectly safe, and in turn make the run unlosable by pissing on him.

>>529327416
Thanks for sharing this. Good to see what the nerftrannies are like

>the maelstrom isnt scab only/no ammo

>>529330887
So you spectated someone else having all the fun?

>>529331798
*ratatatatatatata*
*pling pling pling pling*
I NEED AMMO!

>>529332165
No, I used the ridiculous safety blanket to dome every gunner and disabler to ever exist with my boltgun because nothing ever reached me in melee. It's pretty crazy how much more efficient veteran can be when you aren't forced to pull out your melee every 3 seconds to deal with random bullshit your retards allowed to get close to you because everyone constantly spreads out.

Has anyone tried the buffed Devil's Claw? How is it?

The worst feeling in the world is coming back to ratclick after a long hiatus only to realize you need to work to get back to being alright at it. It's not even humbling, it's straight up embarrassing.

>>529330164
Nuncio-Aqualia needed to be a mega-phone where Arbites shouts into it.

haven't really been seriously into the game since damnation frames were the go to dick waving frame(very early 2023), and when i was playing a bit around xbox launch the 500 rescues frame was the go to
what the current frame/s and titles for such purposes? i wish to know a faggot by sight alone and maybe unlock it myself

>>529317626
>Get yourself a bolt pistol or boltgun, put the bleed blessing on it, swap to it before you dog explode and watch everything die.
>Mfw
Thanks for the tip

>>529332846
no, but thanks for reminding me of it i'll try it with zealot or vets

I really like the Veteran. So I was wondering what all this talk about a re-work is? Haven't played for a while, so I am out of the loop

>>529334593
one playtester accidentally confirmed a vet rework was underway before the ogryn rework was announced. My guess is that they changed course once people started asking for ogryn buffs more and more
There's also a promise that vet would get weapons "soon". Whatever that means, but these two things in combination are making people antsy for it
playtester trannies deny this fervently btw even though you can literally go check a playtesters reddit history to see him talk about the planned vet and psyker reworks. They're covering up cause they don't want him to get sacked by fatshark for breaking NDA I think. I'd link it but I don't remember his name. I'm sure someone does tho

>>529332846
It fucking sucks dick
But I haven't tried it yet

>>529333425
Havoc time gated frame and True Survivor

I bought which personality do I take

>>529335953
Batman

>>529335953
Fatalist for THE LEX IS THE LEX
Male maul for batman edgekino

>>529335953
Authorian for French behavior. Snooty as fuck. Take a pointy moustache.

how would the block fodder of copeg rank the arbie voices by popularity?
from least to most i'd say:
>female fatalist
>male authoritarian
>male fatalist
>female authoritarian
>female maul
>male maul
i'm honestly not even sure i've heard a female fatalist in 70+ matches, where as i've had a couple of games where the other 3 players all had the same type of throat cancer

>>529335953
Fem Fatalist isn't bad.

i named by copman as Shraggy
should I use fatalist?

>>529338097
Yes, Fatalist is the best voice. The others are too 40k

>>529317305
No keystone?

>>529337969
I hear fem fatalist every match, I chose her because I actually liked her. She seemed most reasonable.

>>529338485
i might just be getting female fatalist and authoritarian mixed up to be honest
i hear russian lae'zel(or tzarina splatterin' as i've taken to calling her, since it sounds very similar to her TW:WH3 performance) a lot. which i think is fem auth? and not-kerrilian as well, but the other female voice i basically never hear
also, banter in general seems way less common since i last played

>>529339164
Fatalist is the Non-Lae'zel Non-Kerrilian one, yes.
I like her

>>529297850
>Can someone explain to me why virtually every game with an arbitrator in it has at least one of them constantly blowing through all of their ammo reserves and begging for more?
The middle keystone penances for 3,500 kills using the weapon swap node.
I'm personally guilty of spamming as much ranged as I can when I notice no one else is using their gun at all and are topped off for most of the game, I want to get this shit done so I can stop using this keystone.

>>529338305
Bottom right

>>529335953
Male Fatalist.
Fuck Maulfags

>>529338305
NTA but the dog keystones arent really required, I don't really notice a drop in damage or usefullness from the dog without it at least so I think its fine to skip if you want the dog but are pointstarved

>>529339519
I meant Dogstones
>>529339905
Ah fair enough, I found the elite one helps enough that it's worth taking

ok what am i doing wrong here, do i have to grind lower levels or something?
i have no idea what i am supposed to do at like level 15 on this mission where the two bosses come out and cover the entire ground in DOT shit
i dont have the DPS yet either as I dont quite now how weapons work. i upgraded some shit but the damage numbers seem still low to take these guys out
shotgun maybe?
stuck one of them with krak grenades but then basically died in two hits and everyone else also went down.

I'm on my last two penances for Arbites (besides doing 100 missions), any recommendations for Terminus Warrant before I start?

Considering the class, the melee kills seem easy, but its the ranged I'm wondering about. I usually use the heavy hitting weapons like the revolver, shot revolver, and new shotgun, non of which seem the best for getting that awful 3500 at a decent rate. I'd hate to be a shitter dumping an autogun into a pox horde, but if thats the best way then whatever.
Are these penances going to be another slog, or does anyone have any tips?

>>529342840
melee weapons and blocking, you'll be able to figure the dot stuff out if you pay attention to the arena

>>529342840
Karnak twins are assholes, and random players are retarded.
One takes more damage from ranged, and the other melee but that doesnt matter in low levels.
Always melee the bosses, rip their shields away and then bash their head in, preferably the entire team on one twin at once.
As for the DOT, you just need to keep an eye out for those grenades the twin throws and whenever 3/4 of the map is gassed

another tip, and the best advice I can (for anything in this game) is to rebind space to dodge and get used to the "dance" of dodging in melee when you hear the WHOOSH of an enemy about to attack
>Dodging is always superior to blocking

There is something fundamentally, neurologically wrong with me, because this is the 3rd time in 3 days that I die to the exact same barrel in Hab Dreyko launching me off the map.

>>529343539
>>Dodging is always superior to blocking
usually karnak twins rapes people cause rinda does the funny sword dance and people don't know blocking makes it easy to not die to it
sword captains are like the one situation in dorktide where you actually do want to block

>>529343884
Thats true, they can be a real bitch when your forced in a corner with no stamina to block.
I suppose its more a general piece of advice than a catch all
That said, on uprising difficulty the whole team should be able to just bash her head in and avoid the gas when enough damage is done.

>>529343249
>>529343539
i just did a quickplay and got placed with two level 19s and a 25, so instead i just kept everyone else off of them and did my vertran toughness replenish roar thing that pushes enemies back. clearly a dps issue on my end as nobody went down

>>529343758
Mayhap you should start detonating it early

>>529344298
My brain doesn't even process it. I need to start repeating to myself about that barrel next time I play Dreyko

>>529344150
List a party and post the keywords/player, I'll join and try to help out

These 3 are just annoying to get.

>>529345351
Mortis Trials makes Abomination Protocols easier.

So how do you really build a psyker? I can't find a good feel for the guy.

I would oink for a not-fucked up dog.

Am I the only one that dislikes the more robotic heads for the Dog.

>>529346392
Accept your zomborg puppy like a man

>>529343539
>One takes more damage from ranged, and the other melee
Does that apply to their shields or just their bodies?

>>529346392
The dog looks like absolute dogshit, it's not even realistic looking it looks like a fucking scooby doo cartoon dog, no idea why they didn't make it look like a shepherd dog, mastiff or pinscher or something. You know actual police dogs?

>>529346392
What?
You don't like the look of dog flesh stapled to a robotic pincer?

What's the special attack for the 1h shock maul? It looks like the light attacks but more electric-y but the default attacks electrocute as well so I cant really figure out whats the point.

>>529346953
Enemies have a chance of being electrified (heavy attacks guarantee it) the special stuns and damages electrified enemis

>>529346643
I don't really mind that, I mean fuck it's 40k you'd expect them to of bred some custom giant dogs that are like all the best parts of a German shepherd, a mastiff, a pitbull, and a Rottweiler, all at the size of a Newfoundland or Great Dane

>>529346953
Arbites Shock Maul
It applies a damage over time effect if the target is already electrified.

Standard shock maul
It applies a short duration electrified stagger animation. Good for opening Bulwarks or juggling 2-3 elites like Ragers or Crushers

casuals are now in my aurics REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>529291332
we have like three youtubers who cover the game, two of which are fucking atrocious, and the third one does nothing but preposterous clutches
>behead those who insult unc

>>529333046
>coming back to ratclick
Can’t relate. Loved the game and all the fond times I had with it but DT feels so much better and I can’t go back

>>529347229
Yeah exactly so why does it look like the office labrador man?

>>529296875
use relic sword with the sprinting thrust attack, it will one shot headshot them even without charge.
Charge + poke.

>>529329032
>>529328897

>>529340543
Dog Key stones aren't that important. In fact, if you don't get them, your dog tends to stay closer to you more often, making the constant 15% toughness regen from dog CONSIDERABLY more worthwhile to the point I've considered using it a lot more in Havocs.

>>529335953
maul all day every day
>>529337526
he’s chinese so no

>>529335953
I don't like any but Fatalist.

>>529349018
The only meaningful dog note is the lone wolf note

>>529346392
The one that makes it near fully robotic is the best.

>>529349170
Not really, Muhamad.

>>529349296
It objectively is

>>529337969
Jaghatai appearance soon
also why is the gun fake

Sorry! But your mission was aborted by an unexpected error! Teehee ;P

I really want to use the DOG because it's unique, but without using Bleed Explosions, it seems so fucking shit.
With Voltaic Mandibles it can do okay DPS to Monstrosities, but that's about it. Everything else it can do is pretty much worthless. It bounces off Ogryns and even with 150% Damage from Execution Order, 50% Damage from Break the Line and Voltaic Mandibles, that damage is insanely limiting and it only really spikes with Remote Detonation, though not to the point of being all that impressive for how much you have to put into it and I'm not even sure all that damage is even being transferred to that explosion and it's not just the Bleed from abusing Bleed Bolter.

Anyone played with Dog into Havocs WITHOUT using Bleed Explosion?

>>529349985
Gonna fucking bomb the fatshark studio because they are responsible for more abortions than anyone

>>529349890
hes a miniature, clean your mold lines

>>529349890
he didn't file down the mold lines and or drill his barrel
both are common oversights when assembling models

>>529345351
>first week
>40% done
>20% done
>10% done
>"wah, why are these so hard!?"
Why are modern gamers such low stamina piss babies?

Hello!
I have just unlocked Auric difficulty, after playing Ogryn for 3 days. Please forgive and understand if/when I make your life difficult by existing in (You)r game. You will need to carry my ass. I promise not to block all day (much) or take ammo (all of it) or lag behind (game is pretty). At least I have all my items at orange 500 and I've copy pasted first youtube build I found, right?
Sincerely, Casual Anon.

>>529350108
Dog gives toughness to team
Toughness regeneration to owner
Dog immunity to owner
Runs around and causes distruption among enemies

>>529350346
Can I have a man version blue bird picture pls? I'm gay

>>529350593
>Dog gives toughness to team
Only through coherency, and coherency is shit

>>529350473
Post the youtube build

>>529350724
Through canine morale
Should you choose that talent

How do you even start doing havocs if everyone just rejects you

>>529350884
Oh, right. I forgot about that one

>>529350473
*drops ammo crate in elevator/security checkpoint*
Tsch, nothing personnel, Auric Survivor.

>>529345351
i did supp proto and abom proto in about 8 auric games at the same time
just drop the nuncio during a horde and you'll get like 150~ from each use several times a match
you can easily get 6+ stacks of abom proto in a single game if you don't use your blitz charges so all 3 are up when a monstrosity spawns. the only issue i ran into is sometimes they die too fast for you to get all 3 charges off

>>529350976
holy SEX

>>529350905
Get lucky by keeping trying. Or do it with your own team.
This is why I don't bother anymore. I got to 40 and haven't touched them since. It's just needlessly annoying. Too much time and effort goes into even playing it.

Not only that, but I just don't find them particularly fun. I enjoy the power fantasy of Aurics. I actually feel like a one man army (or in this case, 4 man)

>>529327416
you seem like a massive autistic prick and i now like reginald despite your best efforts

>>529337969
I pretty much exclusively hear male Maul

>>529351543
He's a bad player that gives bad advice
What is there to like?

when do havoc missions get harder than auric/maelstorms? i'm at havoc 19 and they seem a bit easier so far

Ough I'm gonna
IZ GONNA SHIELD BOSS
OOOO IZ SHIELDING!!!!!
*block.sfx*

>>529349598
>bleed explosions
>20% toughness damage reduction (also granted to allies)
>an extra 7% toughness per second
>10% toughness over 5 seconds to allies in coherency pretty much permanently
>electrocute stuns and it does it every hit
>every time it pounces you get 10% movement speed and damage
>bleed explosions
Dog is great.

>>529351675
Whenever Emperor's Fading Light (II) hits.

>>529351627
>isn't a dick
>makes videos that are alright at worst
>isn't an obnoxious faggot like tranner or telopots (you are more than likely a dickrider of one or both)
what is there to hate?

>>529350108
Yeah. He's stupidly reliable even in Havoc. I can see a Trapper for half a second and ping it and it's guaranteed dead. I use the ranged priority node so he tends to go for the far away gunners that I may have a hard time killing quickly. I run Bolter primarily for monstrosity killing and I avoid pulling it out as much as possible so he's great for those odd few picks that would require me to awkwardly get my Bolter for. He often goes for sneaky trappers and snipers without my command. I can ping a pink enemy within the middle of a bunch of armor and he'll put a quick end to the regeneration, or at least that's one less extreme priority target to pay mind to. If there's a line of Gunners suppressing an area nonstop to the point that peeking is guaranteed damage, I can peek with my shield and ping one of them and he'll start killing all of them on his own, even faster if I have bleedsplosion. There can be a bunch of spread out Bombers and I can ping one and he'll go at it and whichever other one is closest whilw I go for the other. If there's Reapers or Bulwaeks I can get him to stunlock them with the shock touch talent. He's probably 1/3rd of my specialist kills by the end.

Has Fatshark said anything about getting Arbitrator penance/commissary/havoc cosmetics?

Guys guys did you know that the amount of special bullets for the exterminator shotgun is shown on top of the heckin shotgun?!?!

>>529350473
>>529350749
Haha woops, got mixed up, actually using this
darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db0be3e-de16-4f01-909c-bac073ae5dec/bonktide-havoc-40
But with Karsolas pickaxe and Kickback to snipe elites and rescue ppl + 2 toughness and 1 health relic

>>529352673
This is great, though the main use of having all those heavy attack talents, especially on the pickaxe, is to get huge damage onto Captains to surpass the threshold at which they start regenerating their void shield, and also because enemies get tankier, which you only gotta care about for Havoc. Might be overkill outside of that. I say you should consider the talent that speeds up attack speed on chained hitsz and also the token bleed talents (melee applies bleed, bleeding targets give you resistances)

>>529325038

>>529352645
This is why I love Fatshark as a developer, they aren't lazy to add these little nuggets of soul into their games! Reminds me how much meticulous craftsmanship something like Bethesda games have, so impressive.

>>529352142
Him being bad and giving bad advice

There was a guy who used to make a lot of Ogryn Content, though I never subscribed to him so I can't remember who he is.

Does anyone know?

is redditor right? are we wrong?

>>529355541
Arbitrator is a mini Ogryn. He's largely tanky, with a few gun perks here and there which make you think he might be able to go gunner, but really he's just another form of Ogryn.

>>529356013
This is why we need Ratling. To be mini-vet.

>>529355207
you must be talking about hank, curator of the /coopg/ approved ogrynomicon

>>529355541
>we
Define "we". I've never said Arby is Vet 2.0. It doesn't look or feel that way. Vet is a shooter class with melee benefits, and Arbiter is a melee class with shooting benefits.
>reworking Vet tree
>again
>presumably before they touch Zealot's
Obesefish, please.

>>529350346
>First week
no, try 2nd day.
My boyfriend literally got it for me yesterday, I just was making somewhat a joke that the rest are easy

>neck deep in the horde
>trappers bullshit homing nets phase through all hundreds of them
ALL THE FUCKING TIME IM SO FUCKING TIRED OF THIS BULLSHIT

my boyfriend makes cute noises when a CRUSHER plaps his skull

This is honestly a pretty fun build. I feel like a protector or paladin of some sort. I can completely deny access to an area and keep anyone in it alive or revive anyone easily.

>>529357702
Trannies are so vulgar and annoying
Fuck off

>>529358978
it's still our month, chud-kun. i still wish fatshark gave us a celebratory cosmetic

>>529357614
Someone post webm of a packmaster rat phasing through the ground to yoink a guy pls

>play without forceful
>can feel the loss in damage reduction

>>529357953
Please tell me you're using pistol/shield or shield/maul

>play with castigator's stance
>can't feel a thing

>>529359940
I am.

>>529355541
He's right about one thing, arbites starts feeling bad when ogryn explodes all poxwalkers and you can't build stacks or regenerate toughness off them.
Veteran feels bad all the time though.

>>529351543
>>529352142
hi reginald
>>529354158
kekkity

>be Ogryn
>kill all trash and chaff
>Arbitrators now cannot do anything
>all of their skills and abilities work off killing stuff and staggering things
>they go from being mini Ogryns to dead weight
bahahahaha

>>529361075
>>529361385
>have 10% toughness regen per second so you're fine

>>529361385
my build works off blocking, using stamina, or simply hitting enemies and receiving damage and resistance bonuses. don't need to kill to get most of my buffs, just the crits one

>>529361836
Does the blocking talent include ranged damage? I've yet to try that one 'cause all the other stuff is just so crazy strong

>>529362016
Probably. I always assumed it does, but never paid attention.

>>529362016
>>529362072
Yes. Blocking shots with shield gives toughness

>>529362486
does it work on both shields, including the gun shield?

>>529362486
Very nice. Thanks. Didn't want to turn up the space heater again to test it

>>529351675
30+ ish

>>529362620
It does.

Where do you get 400+ relics from? I'm doing auric missions and checking shop and so far none in sight.

>>529363056
I get them from Melk gambling but it's unreliable.

>>529335223
It was either Hank or Fireant.

>>529342860
I'd say either take autogun or bolter for ranged.

>>529352438
Not that I'm aware of.
But you could make a forum post about that and bring it to their attention.
But I have a feeling they won't add anything because they want to shill paid cosmetics instead.
But like they say, you miss every shot you don't take.

>>529362486
That's why it's so hard to give it up. Combined with the stamina talent, you're recovering like 30% toughness in 3 seconds just from blocking.

>>529363056
Check the armory every hour, but it's exceedingly rare. Best bet is to gamble at Melk. Also check his own shop to see if he's got a valuable curio or not.

nuOgryn and Arbites are overloaded as fuck and watching them play disgusts me.

>>529333046
>>529347727
i started playing ratclick at the beginning of june and it does a lot of shit better than darktide. weapon variety, for one. jesus fucking christ all of the melee weapons in darktide feel like shit

>>529364631
>jesus fucking christ all of the melee weapons in darktide feel like shit
nah that's bullshit

>>529361385
>be Arbitrator
>just shoot all the trash before you can even get to it because they gave this shotgun limitless ammo

>>529333046
i like plasma vet, what ratclick class is for me

>>529353201
Thanks for advice, tried out bleed talents and it did feel a bit better to swing without care , heavy attack movement and defense wasn't that noticeable of a buff.

>>529365664
trollhammer outcast engineer

Tried to make the middle keystone work
Man is it bad. 100% melee toughness regeneration seems to only affect melee kills, not any added toughness replenishment on hit from tree or blessings. And I imagine 25% toughness replenishment for allies only works with melee kills part.
There really is no other reason to ever pick this keystone, and the only node that could be good doesn't even work with anything else from your tree, what were they thinking?

Does Increased Mastiff Damage increase the DoT damage of Shock it applies with Voltaic Mandibles?

How good is razorjaws talent for the dog? Haven't felt much of a difference imo.
The build I'm running.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f46f248-b935-4a84-b10d-b97b02b772c8/dog-build-8

>>529366754
idk. Try it in the psychanium

>>529367779
>>529366754
Okay, so no it doesn't. Dog damage is almost entirely worthless outside of having them attach to a Monstrosity or if you have Bleed with Razowjaw.

>>529342860
I grinded boretis trials with beetus maul and vraks autogun for that one. You could also try the aggripenis braced for your ranged since it has better cleave.

>>529368464
so many quips...

Why do people use the Bolt Pistol over the Bolter if they're doing Dogsplosions? The Bolter has better overall boss damage. You can mag dump crushers and whatever.

>>529364631
I loved VT’s combat too, but I can’t agree it’s better than DT’s. Everything in DT feels like a marked improvement as far as that goes. Sliding is one thing I can’t do without anymore.

>>529369137
Bolt Pistol:
>Makes you move fast
>Is faster to pull out and put away
>Is better for quick special sniping
>Still does alright against bosses
I prefer the speed and snappiness

>>529369137
>>529369349
10 rounds in the bolt pistol honestly makes it absolutely god tier for the 'bitus imo

>>529369137
bolt pistol is better for whipping out for quick kills. bolter takes a century to pull out and aim

best class and why is it ogryn?
>>529369137
What >>529369349 said
if all you care about the dogsplosion, bolt pistol is better simply for how versatile the bolt pistol is, letting you whip it out and one shot a far away enemy like say a sniper
the boltgun is simply too cumbersome unless you build into it, but then why not play veteran

>>529369137
Just preference. Bistol and Bolter are very well-designed weapons that opposite strengths and weaknesses.
>Bolter
- Great cleave
- No AoE
- Faster TTK
- Better against bosses
>Bistol
- AoE
- Extremely fast to use
By far its best quality, you can use it a lot more than the Bolter in emergencies or quick shots, whereas the Bolter takes an eternity to pull out
- Lower recoil recovers faster, better for clean shots

>>529368007
I was thinking dog damage is good for having it auto-eat local elites, which in turn activates all those buffs in the talent tree.

>>529370110
>best class and why is it ogryn?
ogryn is
>bigger
>taller
>heavier
>stronger
>more hp
>more endurance
>less prone to corruption
>hecking wholesome
other classes simply can not compete

>>529370421
nta, I fucking love playing with chainsword and bistol with combat specialist
bobing and weaving in a horde slashing with a chainsword and blasting hordes apart with a point blank bolter round

>>529332846
Not bothered. They added the damage changes to Turdtolsky swords too, so play with those instead.
Not that I'm playing with those either.

BLOOD FOR THE GOD EMPEROR, SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE

>>529370651
my arbites has more hp than a base ogryn

>>529297850
Wouldn't know. I did those penances without anyone in my teams struggling for ammo.
And I didn't pick extra ammo reserves either.

>>529370651
>ogryn is
>>bigger
>>taller
>>heavier
You're a big guy.

>>529356013
>Arbitrator is a mini Ogryn
Absolutely. I'd say he's even easier to keep topped up on toughness than Ogryn though.

>>529371404
That's because Arbites are a smaller target and have an easier time hiding behind cover and even behind other team mates. Also ranged enemies in this game can't shoot through their allies, besides snipers.
Ogryn's innate size is what nerfs him a bit because he can't hide behind cover as easily.

>>529371404
I don't know. True Grit is insane, but Ogryn has an insane amount of eHP so it sorta balances out. I will say this though, the Arbitrator Shield is so much better than Ogryn Shield. However, Pickaxe is arguably better than anything else.

>>529371816
I didn't like the arby shield when I did a quick test. The base maul is fucking ridiculous though.

>>529371946
Which one? I've found the MK 6 to be insanely good. It's push attack synergizes insanely well with the 75% Cleave Talent. Plus the alt attack on them are pretty much guaranteed revives which is incredible. Easily one of my new favorite weapons.

Give the Ogryn a powerfist

Hey anons - I'm new and have been doing Auric Quickplays.

This is my build. Is there anything I can do to make it better? I'm not very good so I wanted Tankiness so I don't screw over my team.

>>529371814
I'd say arbitrator is still easier to keep topped up just based on the ridiculous amounts of passive toughness regen over time that the class gets. Ogryn needs to be surrounded by enemies, meaning that, outside of havoc, you are practically forced into an extremely aggressive playstyle if you want to stay alive. Which is good, but more often than not, your tards will simply not keep up and accuse you of rushing, even if you are literally cleaving a path through massive hordes for them. They'd rather bumble around and explore every last corner for 50 plasteel.
A little hard to quantify in havoc. Being a larger target is definitely bad, but the taunt regen is practically always maxed due to enemy density, and you can always whack something.

>>529371946
Flashbang is invaluable, light combo on the Mk VI has incredible DPS, and both heavy-light or light-heavy combos are very strong in general. I do think ogryn's shield is "better" as a weapon due to its ridiculous amounts of cleave and stagger, but flashbang has saved many a tard.

>>529372402
I just tested the first shield quickly and didn't like the moveset, can't even remember what mark that was. It was something I put aside to test later.
The base arby maul just fucking wrecks everything though with the push cleave being quite nice too.

>>529372197
Looks good.
Concussive is only needed if you're using a skullcrusher weapon. If you aren't, you can afford to drop it and the node below it.
If you are, you can still drop suppression protocols and instead take the 7.5m break the line node. What will actually damage you while in dense enough hordes to trigger the DR, are probably overheads that chunk you into true grit range anyway. The 7.5m on break the line will give you a lot of survivability just based on the ability to turn and disengage if need be, or run through lakes of fire without taking more than a tick of damage.

>>529370717
how are you building the chainsword to combat its aggressive mediocrity?

>>529372593
>concussive is only needed if you're using a skullcrusher weapon
don't listen to this, several talents proc off of it even without skullcrusher:
force of will, breaking dissident (aura), hold the line, target the weak and strike down

>>529372792
oh and forceful stacks too

>>529372792
That's a lot of theorycrafting for shit that should be triggered by just bashing into enemies with break the line. Concussive is amazing if you aren't running break the line, but why the fuck would you ever, ever need it if you are?
>bosses
You have a gun, don't you?

>>529372860
any stagger-related buffs are gone any moment the enemy isn't actively in a stagger animation. if the enemy isn't stunned because of immunity or final toll modifier or other circumstances then you still get the buffs
but stick to your aurics

>>529372593
Shut the fuck up, retard

>>529373157
>then you still get the buffs
*by hitting them in the head with the concussive talent selected, forgot to clarify

>>529372792
why would you need concussive for anything other than bosses? Everything gets staggered anyway.
Unless you're playing Maelstrom monstrosity spam. For auric quickplay it seems like a completely wasted point.

>>529372693
haven't played in a while, iirc it was bleed for bosses, cleave to cleave through hordes, or was it strength? cant remember
That's it really, it is mediocre, but it's there to compliment the bistol, switching between the two rapidly

>>529373236
If the enemy isn't actively in a stagger animation then anything stagger-related doesn't work without Concussive applied to them

>>529373157
>but stick to your aurics
If this were a havoc build, it'd take the +50% cleave node, but it doesn't, so it clearly isn't, so why even make this retarded argument?

>>529373282
Seems like a rare edge case when everything is in near perpetual stagger state anyway.
Also buffs lasts for enough time that they overlap between your staggers.
Forceful is 10 seconds. There's no way a rare case of stagger immunity among mixed hordes will lead to loss important buffs.

>>529373441
I play Havoc and the +75% cleave is more than enough is why

>>529373441
Even for aurics he's right
You're just straight up retarded and giving shitter advice

>aurics
>havoc
I play at heresy
anything above and my memory crashed

>>529373501
>implying you can have enough cleave in havoc
>>529373503
>theorycraftsissies that just reached level 30 acting like they know shit because they spend 5 hours in the psykhanium
I know you can't press F but cmon dude

>>529373551
sounds like your ram is shit or going to it and you need some fresh sticks

>>529372593
based practical thinker

>>529372593
But doesn't this mean you can stagger bosses. They're not being "staggered" they're being "COUNTED" as staggered even if they aren't. And it applies for 4 seconds.

>>529373875
Bosses should be dying to dog boom puncture and bolt pistol to the head. And yes, they stagger to dog boom. You sure seem confident for someone that doesn't even play the class.

kill metaslaves

>>529373875
I'm just asking a question, anon. And yes, I don't play the class, that's why I'm asking.

>>529373596
Holy fucking retard

>>529373875
You are correct, but the average match has 1 or 2 monstrosities. It's a question of cost-benefit. Is it worth it just for a few extra % points of damage for what's basically 1% of the mission?

>>529374161
True, but isn't the next point pretty insane? 20% almost permanent damage reduction?

>>529374161
this is why it's obvious that this class was designed with havoc in mind

>>529374508
The few tiny ticks of chip damage that you take are almost instantly going to be regenerated either passively, or from killing/staggering shit. If you ever take big enough damage to empty your toughness, you press F to undo that. Anything that does enough damage for the resist to matter would kill a player that doesn't have true grit, and thus the resistance doesn't matter much.
I guess it's useful for standing in gunner fire or whatever but you should be running gunner resistance on your curios anyway.
>inb4 theorycraft sissies shitting on gunner resist

Does Canine Morale trigger if someone else kills my dogs pounced enemy?

>>529372104
No. Zealot or Vet needs it.

>>529374508
it's alright. But ideally your way of preventing damage is 1) dodge, and 2) kill the enemy before they can hit you. So the -20% damage is only helpful if you're getting hit, which you shouldn't be. You could say it's planning for failure. But if you are getting hit regularly it's not a bad idea to get it.

>>529372593
Also it should be noted that your dog pouncing someone counts as staggering them. So you can pretty much keep that up 100% of the time without concussive.

Concussive is in my opinion, good if you don't have a dog or you don't have break the line. But with a dog AND break the line? It's redundant.

SUPRESSION PROTOCOLS on the otherhand is insanely strong. I'd argue it's worth it for that alone, but... I still wouldn't bother with it myself running that build.

>>529375181
>Also it should be noted that your dog pouncing someone counts as staggering them
Oh it's even better.
Your dog simply walking into someone counts as staggering them. They don't even need to pounce.

>80% of my talents and blessings rely on stagger
>should i pick the "always stagger everything all the time every time" talent?
>nahhhh

>>529375181
For what it's worth, I've been feeling retardedly tanky just going relatively top-heavy. I have never once felt the need to take suppression protocols, and I've never once run a "tanky" build in havoc, nor do I see why I should start doing so now. Gunner resist makes up for a lack of grace period, and only ogryn can afford to face tank and trade with bosses. Nothing else matters because it kills anything short of a zealot, or gets eaten by true grit, even with damage resistance.

>>529375392
Even better, if they actually pounce, the stagger constantly builds up as if they're being staggered over and over and over again. You can get 10 stacks in a single pounce as well as all your other stagger buffs.

>>529375463
>whack target
>it's now staggered
>oh it's a heavy and takes more than one hit
>press F
>it's now staggered
>send dog at
>it's now staggered
Theorycraftsissies...
>but the target isn't staggered permanently
Bro your DPS?

>>529375575
Yeah, this is why I think Concussive is mostly over kill. It is a good talent but it is one of those you do not need 100% of the time.
It's mainly good for monstrosities and keeping up skullcrusher stacks on them, but that's about it.

>>529375669
It's just parrots repeating what some faggot jewtuber said, or brainlets that can't wrap their 70 IQ around the idea of having and using the dog, or using their combat ability off cooldown. There are definitely lone wolf castigatortards in this thread right now, and they need to shut the fuck up.

>>529375463
I just tested it. Using that anons build. With and without. I could get stagger buffs up just as easily. And I tested with 10 stacks on both against a crusher. Same DPS both times, with and without Concussion.

There is no point in having Concussion.

>>529375575
>>press F
>>it's now staggered
You only fight 1 enemy at a time?
No wonder your advice is so retarded. You only play in heresy

>>529375978
>he thinks break the line is single target

>>529375463
>>should i pick the "always stagger everything all the time every time" talent?
in auric you already stagger everything 99.999% of the time. If you want to spend 1 talent point to get to 100%, be my guest. I don't think it's worth the investment unless I'm in havoc or Maelstrom I-II.

>>529375920
Certain enemies get stagger resistance during their attacks, after getting knocked down, when climbing, havoc modifiers, monsters don't stagger easily

Don't train in the psykhanium. Use your head

>>529375978
>You only fight 1 enemy at a time?
No, and that's the point. There are so many enemies to stagger you never run out of stagger buffs.

>>529376075
>knock over 20 crushers
>most of them stand back up
Holy shit, you're retarded
>>529376136
Several enemies are almost unstaggerable at some points

The only thing I can see this effectively not working as well with without Concussion is Strike Down, but that's Melee anyway, which generally means it's going to affect most anything you're currently fighting.

Yep. Concussion is shit.

The verdict is in
Pick concussive if you're not retarded
Skip concussive if you ARE retarded

You can decide on your own which group you belong to

I understand the argument for both sides but I'll still pick concussive just because it's more convenient for me.

>>529376403
>>529376392
kek

>>529376468
Even ogryns are smart enough to pick concussive

>>529376291
>>most of them stand back up
>stagger all of them again within 10 seconds
>use dog remote explosion to stagger them
>use shield flash to stagger them again
Wow, so hard.

>>529376291
Concussion only works on melee weak spot hit, anons. Melee. You're not staggering 20 Crushers with your melee.

Concussion is worthless.

havocsissies don't forget to get your piss toughness and chorus spam ready before posting! wouldn't want to get hurt now right?
>mfw a poxwalker waddles towards me and my crutches are on cd

telopots says concussive is good

>>529376709
what's his stance on Ukraine

>>529376468
I'm not picking Concussive because it's not convenient. It's more cost effective to get rid of it.

>>529376709
Does he support Palestine?

>>529376709
it's good sometimes
it's useless other times

>>529376392
>final boss of contrarian retards
>>529376578
Or just hit them in the head, dumb fuck
>>529376607
Correct, you stagger them 1 at a time as you are killing them

Holy shit you people are fucking stupid

Okay, I don't care about either side. Let me look at this shit.
>Concussive is Weak Spot only Melee for 4 Seconds of Stagger
>This will trigger any and all Stagger Passives
Since this argument started from a new players talents, I'll only look at his specific Talents
>Force of Will
10% Toughness for Staggering an Enemy. Pretty much always happening on higher difficulties with or without it because of chaff and mixed hordes.
>Hold the Line
From my testing, your dog triggers this buff and will keep it up 100% of the time.
>Target the Weak
5 Second debuff meaning you only need to do it once every 5 Seconds.
>Strike Down
Only works on staggered enemies, no timer
>Forceful
Same as Hold the Line, your dog will keep this up 100% of the time.

The only problem I see is Strike Down from his build. This has no timer on it. Meaning they will only get Rending from anything staggered. However, seeing as he's a Dog Explosion / Break the Line build, I'd argue it's probably fine. Especially since Concussion is only available on Melee Weakspot hit.

Unless I'm missing something, yeah, Concussion seems almost pointless. Especially since he already said he's only doing Aurics and not Havoc.

yeah ok this is actually getting ridiculous. you should pretty much always pick concussive

>>529377395
stop it

Surely there's better ways to bump the thread? We are devolving into gasha-tier gens

Enemies are harder to stagger in higher difficulties and they have monster spams

Don't be surprised when bad players don't understand why automatic stagger is important

>>529377593
>Surely there's better ways to bump the thread?
Is there anything better than discussing builds and talents and game mechanics?

Wot's cunku- concock- cuncunshins anyway?

>>529377617
we all agree it's good in high havoc

>>529377670
It's why you pick the stagger talents, big guy

>>529376975
>everyone who is providing detailed explanations and thought-out arguments as to why this one talent isn't always an autpick, are fucking stupid
is this your brain on metaslavery?

>>529377725
HA! Dat's right, I luv slapin' around tiny stinky 'uns

>>529377917
Your arguments were so mindnumbingly retarded that i only needed to point out the obvious to refute them. I know it makes you feel smart to think that you know better, but you just are not that smart at all. You're a contrarian retard and nothing more

>>529378156
damn dude. go easy on him

your build unga
my build bunga

>>529378156
you haven't refuted anything. All the arguments stand.

>>529376661
I just played a havoc 40 and nearly died to a random chaff enemy from behind because I didn't have gold toughness and until death active. I made that face btw.

>>529378507
>lose argument
>pretend like you didn't lose
>declare victory
Convincing retards like you is pointless. It's about other people knowing that they aren't crazy for thinking that concussive is an obvious pick

>>529378501
my build is better, cause it's brutal and cunning

>>529378721
Not him but I just snoozed my way through havoc 40 with a piggy who didn't use concussive and barely even used melee in the first place. What does that mean for concussive?
>he was le carried
Without shifting goalposts, please.

>>529378721
>lose argument
>pretend to win argument
see i can talk like a retard too

>>529378848
>tell me the answer but don't tell me the actual answer
Ok, retard

why are there story missions in fucking auric.

>>529378946
Concession accepted.

Next character should be a tiny guy who can ride ogryn and shoot LMG.

>>529378938
>no u!
Brilliant retort. This is the intellectual capacity of the concussion skipping retards
>>529379005
>lose argument
>declare victory
You knew the answer to your own question because it was so obvious but you still chose to use it as a gotcha. That makes you really fucking stupid

>>529378721
I tested Arbites Shock Maul (+25% carapace, execution and high voltage) with and without Concussive with this build, which is just a random build of mine, and with Concussive it 3-shot Crushers
It 4-shot Crushers without Concussive, left them with bit of health

>>529376742
>>529376789
>>529379082
Don’t be gay please

>>529379238
Thanks for confirming that you do less damage without concussive. Imagine if you were fighting 10 crushers in various states of stagger resistance

Let the records show that concussive is indeed superior

>>529379139
>You knew the answer to your own question
Oh, so you are imagining yourself into my game and know exactly what happened at every turn, and that the arbitrator was carried, yes?
It's obvious you're arguing in bad faith and are upset because you haven't taken your meds yet, so this isn't directed at (You), but rather, anyone observing the conversation.
The arbitrator was relatively low damage, but played bodyguard for the psyker who was consequently able to rape anything that I wasn't taking care of, while the dog kept mauling hard to reach gunners, and puncture boom had massive contribution to horde clear. Bolts helped annihilate monstrosities before they were able to do anything. I don't think the guy ever even took any damage. Played well, contributed well, and once again, barely even pulled out his melee except to clear chaff.
But sure, go off with your delusion that concussive is 100% turbonecessary and anyone who doesn't take it is a troon or whatever you convinced yourself to believe.

>>529379139
>>no u!
>Brilliant retort.
just mirroring your attitude

>>529379354
why are you rolling me with the politics guy, I just want to be AA on baby legs you can throw

>>529379443
Didn't ask for your life story, retard

Still no hotfix.

>>529377593
>We are devolving into gasha-tier gens
When half of our posts consist of fan art then you may say that and not before.

>>529379590
confession accepted

>>529376709
Telopots says a lot of things, not all of it is useful.

>>529379238
i tested it with and without on my build and it did not change the breakpoints on the crusher. So again it depends. But clearly someone does not understand the word "depends".

I'm going to keep playing havoc 40s with realists that don't take concussive, and win them, btw.
Unlike you metaniggers who can't even break havoc 25 with your supposed best talent ever.

>>529379005
>>529379672
concussion accepted

Shan't be buying
Zealot4lyfe

>>529379812
You got carried

>>529380237
By the arbitrator who didn't take concussive, yes?

>>529380435
I didn't read your post

>>529380714
I am actively unreading your post. It's called gnidaer, you wouldn't know about it.

>>529369137
I don't play arby so I have no idea what a "dogsplosion" is, but the lethal proximity blessing on the bolt pistol also buffs explosion radius for vet's grenades. Maybe there's a similar synergy for arbites?

>>529381104
Arbitrator has a blitz that makes the dog explode. Both bolters' bleed blessings work on it, and tick up to maximum stacks while holding it.
The explosion radius blessing on the bolt pistol does NOT work with the dog's explosion, I've tested this several times, and you can test it too. I don't know if it works with the impact grenades, but that seems extremely clunky to pull off anyway, so I wouldn't bother.

I'm back after a break. What difficulty do I play right now for Auric Damnation/Maelstrom level?

>>529381735
Auric maelstrom, when the mission board doesn't bug out and doesn't show one, because fagshart are incompetent and retarded.
Don't play quickplay unless you're farming the current event modifier. Inferno and story missions are really easy, and quickplay is full of them.

>hallowette mission
killing myself

You all must be suffering from a concussion to act this way. Go see a doctor.

>>529382252
Sefoni owes me a look inside her head.

>Fixed banter frequency: banter has been increased for all classes during missions.
I knew something felt wrong

>3gb Darktide update
more slop?

>>529382396
Nani?

still waiting for vermintide 2 weapon pack

>>529307162
the real problem is theres no queue for it and I can't find any parties in my play tme

i dont care how fucking jewish it would be

if fatshark came up with a 9-weapon pack (2 ranged, and 2 melee weapons unique to each class, and 1 bingo weapon for all humans) and sold it for $12 i would suck so much fucking corporate cock for that

>>529382420
Yeah in the new hotfix
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-70-1-8-2/110096

No one believed me when i said this

>>529382510
The problem is how Havoc is designed adding a quickplay option or a queue for it would be retarded and detrimental for Havoc as a whole.
It'd just reinforce the use of party finder even more so you can vet people and see if they are running retard builds or not.

The Relic Blade is so fun holy shit. Not sure if I'll be able to go back to the Eviscerator.

>>529382540
>8 new marks and 1 new unique weapoon (its a revolver reskin)

>>529382553
So it's baseline integrated high intensity and then it can have an actually high intensity applied on top of that?
Time to get fckin smacked I guess.

>Fixed issue where 'Razor-Jaw Augment' didn't properly apply Bleed to all targets hit by the Pounce knockback.

I knew it was just inconsistent

>>529382714
I'd probably pay for new Power Sword and Bolter marks ngl.

>>529382546
>Players who previously purchased any of the following premium cosmetics (implants) will now be able to equip them on their Arbitrator

Am glad the Fatshark dick sucker on the forum can be buy the dlc

>>529382880
what would you like to see from the power sword and bolter marks?

Have you guys considered just calling this a Darktide/fatshark general instead of /coopg/? It's pretty disingenuous.

>>529382921
well just do it for the next thread then

>>529382921
There are a lot of co-op games without a general that have no place to go if this is renamed. No idea why you cucks are so assblasted about this crap.

>>529383069
it's funny because those creatures just complain and never try to talk about something else, afraid of pushbacks ;(

>>529382921
Its a coop games general though
Darktide and VT just happen to be talked about here frequently because no other faggots (You) ever bring up discussion of other games
its just wahhh wahhh wahhh

>rename jeet is back

>>529382921
>why is everyone talking about the hottest new coop dlc that just dropped
And when big cock galactic was the hot shit it was all about that, with occasional rat for half a year
Feel free to hype everyone to play something else btw

>>529383069
I can count the amount of posts talking about other coop games in this thread on one hand
>>529383163
Yes because it's like screaming into the void, there is no point to it since everyone just ignores it. I can get more active coop game discussion out of chatting with fucking chatgpt
>>529383224
There's plenty of other active coop games with recent updates and nobody ever wants to talk about those either

>>529382921
There used to be a decent amount of DRG discussion here but the game is kind of dead now. You're welcome to try talk about whatever but sometimes /vm/ can be better for less popular games

>>529383573
be the change you want in this world little fagget

>>529383270
When will people learn not to run towards pox bursters?

>>529382913
>Power Sword
Saber variant. Faster attacks, more single target focused.
>Bolter
Scourge pattern for higher RPM and a Bayonet, or a Perinetus pattern for a sniper rifle variant. Kraken Rounds, or Inferno Rounds. Lots of options here.

>>529383696
Nigga I am a frontliner, I run into the shit and suppress everything so my teammates don't take damage
And in case of bursters I push them away obviously
If there was any predictable risk of taking damage I would activate my ability and negate it. The problem here is the hairy cunt that I paid for.