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> Gameplay
FM cardb https://kudosprime.com/fm/carlist.php
FH5 cardb https://kudosprime.com/fh5/carlist.php
FH5 map https://guides4gamers.com/forza-horizon-5/maps/
> Media
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Week 88 of /forza/ Rivals is over!
The top 3 players this week are:
>1st - Semobii, 11 pts!
>2nd - AllowedSiren15, 9 pts!
>3rd - XxKrispenWahxX, 7 pts!
This weeks winner is Semobii! Congratulations to him and a big thank you to everyone who participated!
Here are the standings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pwe-piUwr_V96dNnSXs2-cpcbFD1U_zLNRynxzd3zSA/edit?gid=1141334504#gid=1141334504
This week on /forza/ Rivals - Week 89
ATTENTION!!! This week we trying out another new Rivals game mode - Open Division! Go to Rivals->Open Division->Modern Hot Hatch, pick any car you want, upgrade&tune it up to B600 and do your best lap!
>Game Mode: Open Division. BE CAREFUL, ONLY OPEN DIVISION LAPS ALLOWED!!!
>Track: Grand Oak Club
>Car: Any Modern Hot Hatch
>Class: B
>Upgrades and tuning: ALLOWED! PI Limit - B600!
Here's something to beat: https://youtu.be/6MOv3vx1mhE [Embed] [Embed] (01:01.523)
How to submit a lap: JUST SUBMIT IT LMAO, BUT MAKE SURE YOU DO IT IN RIGHT GAME MODE!
Standings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pwe-piUwr_V96dNnSXs2-cpcbFD1U_zLNRynxzd3zSA/edit?gid=524965416#gid=524965416
Championship standings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pwe-piUwr_V96dNnSXs2-cpcbFD1U_zLNRynxzd3zSA/edit?gid=442402861#gid=442402861
FAQ: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pwe-piUwr_V96dNnSXs2-cpcbFD1U_zLNRynxzd3zSA/edit#gid=707343726
Reply to this post with a clip of your run!
Rivals suggestions are always welcome.
>>529635925cute, cute! I can see it's a Fiat, but does anyone know what model it is?
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remember, we can still migrate in shame on /vm/
They fired all the devs and kept only the HR department and managers
ITS SO OVER BROTHERS IN JIHAD
https://www.theverge.com/news/696676/microsoft-forza-motorsport-turn-10-studios-layoffs-xbox-cuts
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>>529647625Looks like 1st gen Panda.
forzachuddies its literally over
all we have left is arcade slop in some third world shithole
i bet the layoffs dont even impact fm development that much, not like theyve been making brand new stuff that much anyway
PAGE 10 MORE LIKE TURN 10 AAAAYYYYY
>>529698585There was no more development left. The final meme track is in and monthly updates are just checklist stuff. There was no road plan to add what should actually be in the game, it's done.
Forza is a game for the civilized world, which is why the general always dies during American hours.
>>529704709Americans aren't as into racing as Europeans and the people that are get filtered into NASCAR so that doesn't leave much left for regular motorsport interest.
>>529702210guess we're gonna get tracks from fm7 for some time
>>529704925America has more racism than Europe does. from grass roots up to professional. Euro racists only care about F1.
>>529724796literally every state in the union has a hundred dirt tracks and weekly short track racing. we have four separate road racing governing bodies. You don't know anything about America.
>>529724986he's not wrong that euros care more about circuit racing than americans, but it's not like it's dead in the states or anything, far from it.
>>529725087he didn't say that. he said racing in general.
>>529724986and you dont about europe
https://files.catbox.moe/om8je6.mp4
does this look like a good indycar race to you?
>>529741920half team is dead, please understand
>>529741920uh they know what they are doing ok?
left the same song on repeat for a 30 minute race and never realized it
i know i said i'd make a rivals tune but it's been too hot to play
on fwd do something like 27f29r psi
camber is -1.2f -1.8r, +0.2f and r toe, max roll centers, min front, 60-70% rear ride height, then use arb to tune the oversteer balance, diff is 100/0, brake bias is like 44-38% depending where the car balance lies (abs skews this too), anti geometry to 25f and 75+r (in theory rear would be beneficial to be 150 but then under braking rear comes down instead of moving up so it messes with my head so i keep it a bit under 100)
>>529755730oh and do like 9bump 13reb damping (its free grip)
front spring stiffness around 30% of the bar, rear 35-70% (this is your secondary method of oversteer balance tuning)
P L A Y L I S T D A Y
someone got the car restrictions list?
>>529779697Do you think she likes gaming?
>>529784201I think she likes money
>>529784201I think she smells bad
>>529794473they're firing
>>529794473depends, are you indian?
>>529704925>>529724020>>529724796>>529724986>>529725087>>529725254>>529729708Hmm, 4 hours only. If I want the thread to survive another night I'll need to come up with better bait.
>>529794473Are you a black, gay woman with no discernible skills? Then yes.
>>529779697Do note that this is Microsoft in general. They may as well be hiring for their AI solutions, not necessarily to replace game creation staff.
The same way Nvidia is only making small runs of consumer GPUs and reducing their footprint and staff numbers there, while at the same time massively expanding their AI industry.
>>529799510>70 people inside Turn10 will be laid off according to someone familiar with the situationSo thats like 95% of their current workforce for T10
>>529804501Well clearly none of them were doing anything, so I support it. Maybe they can rehire all the productive devs that got fired so Saquisha can have a job answering two emails a day.
Ok so what game do we migrate to now?
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>>529807754I don't think the price they are asking is justified
>>529805010We scatter to the winds playing whatever and we'll return when Horizon 6 is announced
>>529809048>she thinks thats the only cost associatedyou have to pay for every track and car individually once you get out of rookies. it's a sim for rich people such as myself
>grab the lead after first 2-3 turns
>hold it for most of the race
>choke on last lap
Every fucking time.
>>529704709this is a known fact
also, that americans have very fat fingers, so they can't hardly post anything
they struggle with simple tasks that need dexterity
>>529804501Yeah, but I meant that they're not necessarily replacing them with poos, they may just be getting rid of them for good.
>>529813854Do you also pay real money for car repairs, maintenance, refueling and tires? You should. Also, race entry fees.
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why is iRacing so expensive?
>>529805010still playing forza, the game was dead anyway so firing half the team doesn't change anything
>>529815887B-but Horizon 6 for xbox anniversary!
>>529814964Hello Lando. Oh wait you said you grabbed the lead on lap one. Never mind. You got the choking part down though.
>>529819908Xbox is ded. Now Microsoft will fully switch over to killing PC games.
xbox is dead
long live xbox
>>529844223Buy a PlayStation.
>>529815843filter out the trolls.
>>529850437mix of 30-something millennial manchildren who will throw thousands of dollars at anything that vaguely reminds them of when they were kids, and third worlders who are easily impressed by particle effects+Hollywood scriptwriting. These two blocs make up the majority of media consumers so game devs have spec'd into only appealing to them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/s/VfdyW25DNA
We had a good run boys. But this is the last Motorsport title that will likely ever be made. Looking back on it all and the incompetence of Microsoft I think they really made the best game they could have given the circumstances. Personally I hope the entire gaming division burns down to the ground with the whole c-suite trapped screaming in the rubble.
gamers are the most oppressed minority and it isnt even close
>>529907692this comes from some dude that left turn 10 in 2016 posting on his facebook about "the space we were working on FM got closed forever"
from there, journos ran with a history of FM being cancelled, and turn 10 becoming a fh support team
i'm calling bullshit, brothers in jihad and islam
>>529907692>article from a year agobait
>>529914985>>529912637>>529907692This has been running for nearly 24 hours now with no real source, saying that Turn10 is cut 50% and what's left are being moved to Forza Horizon dev support
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>>529631645Standings updated!
>>529916496Wheres this from
https://x.com/Mr_Rebs_/status/1941003440215544270?t=d4f7TEonJXpAbjbMGpOr2A&s=19
>>529918981The Forza forum
>>529921290First I'm seeing of it and nothing from searching
>>529924087It's the insiders sub section. You aren't even allowed to see it and the anon who posted it will get an NDA strike soon
>>529870413Whoa, whoa, wait up there, kid. It's zoomers that buy their way through games. Millennials actually played games all the way through and understand that it's the journey and progression that makes them fun. Zoomers grew up on those shitty facebook no-effort games where you had to spend money to do anything. Also, chinese.
>>529881112Motorsport requires effort to be good at. Young people nowadays don't want to expend effort on videogames and would rather pay to skip it.
>>529930131>Motorsport requires effort to be good atIt also requires something you want to be good at. Motorsports was not worth the investment. I was really looking forward to it, but refused out of principal to purchase what they released. It's just sad all the way around.
>>529930674sour grapes loser
>>529931423It's on sale right now. The grapes were never sweet. You are the sour grapes loser. I'm not paying for a half baked abortion with no aspiration. What they did was bad and they need to fail. Success would just inspire further laziness.
everyone just running with the "source" who hasnt even worked for T10 in close to 10 years
>>529942097Yeah but anon posted this
>>529924941
>>529942456>I took over about a year agoso just another one of those temp contracts that just got terminated early
What if Forza Motorsport was just the friends we made along the way?
>>529944672That's honestly what it was, since the game was subpar. The Anons were great, the game not so much.
So is my FM copy going to stop working?
>>529946457Yes, the game will be deleted in 2 weeks
FM was supposed to be a live service game from the get go so it is not surprising they only need a skeleton crew to maintain it like iRacing
but the physics engine is broken and with this turn of events i'm not very hopeful we are getting it rebuilt as well as pi system recalibration and all leaderboard reset so it is bump tunes for the foreseeable future, worst thing is the car gets faster the more "posessed" you make the car so as we push for peak pace tunes you can forget wheel to wheel racing
>>529949556You are all talk, show this bump tune in this weeks rivals
>>529631645XxKrispenWahxX 01:00.805
https://youtu.be/Et4mmrylmdk
>earn 6 Ultimate Speed skills in Horizon Open Custom racing
Ahahahaha, how about no?
>>529963395It's happening.
t. MSFSfag
>>529952265ur dum
58 flat focus
v6
race aero
race drivetrain except clutch
momo raptor 19
race tire 245f 255r
sport brake and weight, race springs and arb
imperial units
27.5 29.5
6.10 2.22 1.55 1.18 0.94 0.77 0.67
-1.4 -2.2 0.2 0.2 7.0
24 40
500 1200
4.1 5.0
11 11 13 13 (i ran .2 slower on 9/13, it might be just as fast and i lacked skill that lap)
9.8 9.8 25 75
320 160
43 150 (had abs on)
100 0
i went later and listened to pinks focus and it sounded like it was i4-t
just go and do 3/13 bump and then keep hiking it up and watch the times improve
>>529952265btw on fwd you can't really feel the car get glued by bump like you can on rwd
i can also share you my m3-gtr numbers if you want, but i keep all my race tunes on the edge of becoming "posessed" because i don't like unpredictable behavior when racing
i do have a concept car for what a bump tune is when running super soft suspension and high bump on my porsche 928 as it was one of my first experimental tunes if you wanna experiment how much pace it adds
So now that Motorsport is gone for good, are we going to change the general's name to Forza Horizon General?
>>529979832i prefer forza automotive general
>tfw both Forza and Gran Turismo peaked at fourth entry
It's a strange feeling
>>529784201>>529787435>>529788239She came from T-Mobile, we gave so much shit to Don Mattrick for killing the XBox brand at least he has a tech and gaming background before he got into the XBox division.
You can't make me play Gran Turismo!
i would play gt7 if it was on pc but im not gonna get ps5 for just one game. sad how FM is the only actual simcade title.
Since both GT7 and Forza Motorsport are live service slop is Assetto Corsa Competizione is the way to go? I want a simcade with decent single player mode.
>FM has the De Tomaso Pantera ||Behind a paywall||
>T10 Devs moving to PGG
That means we may see the Pantera in FH6
>>529999976>acc>simcade with single player modelol
lmao
>>529631645Standings updated!
Week 89 of /forza/ Rivals is over!
The top 3 players this week are:
>1st - Semobii, 11 pts!
>2nd - AllowedSiren15, 9 pts!
>3rd - XxKrispenWahxX, 6 pts!
This weeks winner is Semobii! Congratulations to him and a big thank you to everyone who participated!
Here are the standings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pwe-piUwr_V96dNnSXs2-cpcbFD1U_zLNRynxzd3zSA/edit?gid=524965416#gid=524965416
This week on /forza/ Rivals - Week 90
Holy shit this car sucks.
>Game Mode: Open Time Attack
>Track: Mid-Ohio Short
>Car: Infiniti Q50 Eau Rouge '14
>Class: A
>Upgrades and tuning: NOT ALLOWED! RENTAL ONLY!
Here's something to beat: https://youtu.be/d5PkWI1Qquw (01:23.337)
How to submit a lap: https://youtu.be/dbjlfAB-o0I
Standings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pwe-piUwr_V96dNnSXs2-cpcbFD1U_zLNRynxzd3zSA/edit?gid=821614288#gid=821614288
Championship standings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pwe-piUwr_V96dNnSXs2-cpcbFD1U_zLNRynxzd3zSA/edit?gid=442402861#gid=442402861
FAQ: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pwe-piUwr_V96dNnSXs2-cpcbFD1U_zLNRynxzd3zSA/edit#gid=707343726
Reply to this post with a clip of your run!
Rivals suggestions are always welcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcWbcFWO1oY
>>530013272>1.7m subs>clickbait titleyeah that says enough
>>530013370solid points though
like the direction of fh6 now that most people from 4-5 are gone
also fm7
>>529907692be nice if fh5 gets new stories and shit. would enjoy things like the first races against the plane. would like to try it again if possible, anyone know how?
>>530018440God please no more stories. If I see the dialogues one more time I will kill myself
>>530010006SEM intial run
01:22.094 - https://youtu.be/g0d9cOW1e0g
>>529989309Shit, I thought that balloon under the arch was a stain on my monitor.
>>530019625FH6 in Japan will have grorious Nipponese dialogues.
>>530028695senpai ferunandeska and his old mx5
>>530038203>spins out>wheel falls offAre they making these cars from paper?
>>530047558I think they're inherently designed to break apart easily yet predictably
A wheel coming off probably isn't too bad and you're off the track anyway it's over
Holy shit, no wonder Brabham is meta. It basically goes full tilt all the time, you never have to slow down, it eats turns for breakfast. And you can control it on a keyboard easily, cause its traction is so good that traction and stability control never activate anyways.
>>530050221is it? doesn't m8b eat it for breakfast?
>>530035217hes literally me
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>>530050221>that traction and stability control never activate anyways.
>>530050829Maybe, but M8B is not in Horizon.
>>530064858Some cars are completely uncontrollable on the keyboard without those, so I always try cars with those two on first.
>>530035217Is this guy drunk?
i kinda like driving cars fast...
current mood
https://youtu.be/n0h6su9m64w
>>530084053he looks like a fat version of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBjarAiAVc
>>530010006XxKrispenWahxX 01:19.308
https://youtu.be/vjoDfznnyT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feWNvGpWHLM
Man, these troons took my ranked online from me
Then they banned Antony's account
I got so much pace in me, got no way to take it out
Think I'm stuck in the midfield
Where the fuck is my engine upgrades?
Yes, Iโm a shitter, I like when people ram me off track
The swastikas that I'm drawing on my car
Mods telling me โB, don't save thatโ
How meta fags can't see me in their mirrors?
Iโm driving a grip tuned Corvette
With all of the money and accolades
I still canโt win B Street race
With all of the money and car levels
My bros donโt get to see me winning
Niggas see my BLM car
But donโt see how I be drivin'
So I finish P10
Yeah, bitch, Iโm 4channer
Nigga, heil Forza
Nigga, heil Forza
I donโt understand upgrades i use, i'm shitter
Nigga, heil Forza
I donโt understand upgrades i use, i'm shitter
All my niggas racist, nigga, heil Forza
Nigga, heil Forza
Nigga, heil Forza
All my niggas racist, nigga, heil Forza
>mfw i start dead last, P24, and finish on podium
damn it feels good to be a gangsta
this is now the iRacing general
>>530003264ACC is honestly forgiving enough for someone who is decent at simcades to transition to, assuming you play it with a wheel and not a gamepad
>>530132638>this is now the iRacing generalanon, you know damn well i'm too poor to afford even basic iRacing subscription :(
mood:
https://youtu.be/qlv7z0Mkt10
>>530135741https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X03PjHwA4Rc
https://youtu.be/K-lQ6cnsUEQ?si=8wlZSg3FBxnvQF0K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwcI66pcX9w
did you know that when you brake way too hard, your brake discs get red because they are ashamed of you and your shit driving?
P19->P3 EZ
no quali chads, today is our day!
>>530174836is it out?
is it good?
>>530160191These are just gamer gear LEDs.
FH6 leaked footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7j98ICq4UE
>>530186238>Horizon in SpainHoly shit, they could not only reuse houses, rocks, vegetation and fences, they could reuse the mexicans too.
Guys, I know American hours are starting, but still.
>>530010006messed up the video crop, lap starts around 2 mins in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm-QTOShuBo
AllowedSiren15 - 1:19.987
>>530218664o shit i forgot to praise hulk
what a guy
>>529962567I along with many others started playing Motorsport a whole lot more over the last couple months since the Fujimi update and Career/Tour Prizes additions shame Microsoft is imploding and I donโt feel like Forza being more or less successful has much to do with it being faced with cuts, I mean itโs very much wax and waned in ratings and popularity since 4, nothing really stands out in the current cycle that perfomantly needed any Studio firings, itโs just part of larger trouble in the gaming industry as a whole, mostly caused by the bean counters and poor hiring practices.
https://youtu.be/HV_PmlHghbM?si=BlhGPUF2Dv-DFUVT
>>530279120>bean countersat first i thought its some new ethnic/national slur
i went on google and found out that "bean counter" is just a fancy name for a bureaucrat, kek
i kinda wish it was an ethnic slur, tho
>start at the back of the grid
>barely survive chaos on first laps of race
>by pure luck somehow reach P3, to everyone's surprise
>eventually crack under pressure and drop down a bunch of positions
>finish P7
I'M HIM. I BEEN HIM. I WILL CONTINUE TO BE HIM.
>>530292946you fucking psychopath
ok so which one of you was it
>>530296146nigga would have backed out but then he heard "you're not a racer if etc." in his head and thought he'd ride that curb
>>530302307The Bmw guy invited him through before closing the gap like a mouth breather
>>530292091In this case it would be more "accountant" than "bureaucrat", though. Most likely the intent was to mean "shareholders who maximize their own profits at the business's expense". Stock market was a mistake.
>>530304586He didn't close any gap, it's the nord lel. and the curbs are too angled at the nord to be rideable like that, if he could have stayed on the curb he would have just about passed, but that is a bad corner to try this, and the nord being a shit track (truth nuke) meant he bounced his porsche ass right off the curb
>>530312709It's not a race retard, it's a tourist driving session where you give way to faster cars. It looked the bmw gave way, so the Porsche went for it
>>530296146>tourist fartingOkay here's my S4999 analysis, the BMW left the inside open and from there the move is on, he then proceeds to squeeze the pork onto the kerb, the pork retard actually full sends it onto the kerb and blows them both up, seeing as BMW is a retard I would never take my front axle past his rear, I would keep a foot in the door and not touch the kerb, if the retard trips over me so be it and I get on brakes as soon as he trips over
https://youtu.be/DzezoPCjUs8?si=10wTmp3TZfkwX_9_
bump the thread you fagets
>>530339631No. Also do you think this cool dude got fired?
>>529881112I hate modern video games so much
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>>530315349at this tourist events you're not ever supposed to overtake except for safety reasons. at the Nurburgring you're also supposed to signal to the car behind that it's safe to pass with your indicators.
the BMW was taking an approximation of a racing line through a fast section of track, and the guy in the Porsche is known for "fully sending it" on track day events with dangerous passes. He just assumed because the BMW went right he was moving over (ignoring the fast left was coming up) and went for it in the middle of a turn. It's also worth noting the BMW was a UK car so RHD, putting the Porsche in his blind spot for much of the video.
it's like 85% the Porsche's fault.
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Looks good enough.
Yeah, I know it's a common design, but I wasn't satisfied with the ones made by randos.
>>530458232Its good. I always compare a few liveries of recreations, sometimes the most popular doesn't get the colour right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwhGsOHfUbI
>want to share this
>can't, because "Thunder in Paradise" gets censored
Did Hogan's dementia make him smack someone from Microsoft or what?
>>530417424apparently you're wrong
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jF4XrBTJJFk
again the poor pork retard tried to save them both by overestimating his skill to get onto the kerb, if pork just half assed kept a foot in the doorway but never took his front axle past the bmw rear axle bmw would probably get rolled and exposed as retard who can't drive 2 wide and pork would probably just replace a few pieces of bodywork
>no activity for 2 weeks in race chat
wtf
>>530482972Forza was cancelled didn't you hear? He are all buying PlayStations now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAnFWPs9l6w
well we gonna play fh5 forever
>>530482972we moved to discord for that, the game bar is unusable
>>530522195no wonder the game is crooked
>>530454916seems like practically all of them are people brought in during the last five years.
>>530556545Why would you need SUVs in Motorsport for? That's like asking for offroad cars or buggies.
>>529631539 (OP)i recently picked up FM3 where i left off 16 years ago
completely forgot that game had a hire driver function, and i realized you can complete the entire game without actually racing at all
>>530593042Back then it was a pointless feature. Nowadays, it would bring them millions of sales.
jonk bros... we got laid off
>>530652408i hope raceboy still has a job
>>530631841the most powerful letter
#4chEliteDrivingClubEarlyPlaylistConvoyCrewInFormation
>>530695157Wait, wasn't he banned for 75 years
>>530696415ancient pic, not from today
Forget about #ForzaHorizon6
It's all about #SonicRacingCrossworlds
Coming in around 2 months. #Hype
So the studio is now called Turn 5?
>>530713694So what are we, some kinda F1?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bikY2bwnT4w
keep watching, there's an clapped out grade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi8tkNbXjxg
>>530722472Sigh
>installs morrowind again
Relying on backstage voting and playlist voting to get the cars you want is a miserable experience.
>>530722472There's a Miata one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bikY2bwnT4w
>>530728957Where's the Zonda R version?
>>530728957>>530721607it was the first one i posted