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Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot - Daima DLC (Only pre-order bonus as of now)
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>Useful links:
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XV2 news:
>Future Saga 3 DLC on the way, release date TBA
>Upcoming character: SS3 Vegeta
>Festival of Universes 3 ended, both Universe 6 and 11 won twice between 4 platforms.

SDBH News/Resources:
>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24
>SDBH Database: www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/
>Deck Autism: rentry.org/sdbhdecklist

DBSDV news:
>SDV3 leaked: More Frieza saga, SS3 Goku (Mini-Daima), and Gomah as notable GDRs and Giants returning as an Action Skill
>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)
>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost
>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills
>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card
>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges
>Avatars can also equip accessories and level up a skill tree
>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar

>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:
steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21
DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefile
If you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.

Kakarot:
>Daima DLC Part 1 will release on July 17th 2025
>Daima DLC Part 2 will release in early 2026

DB The Breakers:
>Season 8 launched with Golden Frieza Raider
>Ultra Instinct Goku transphere

>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry here
http://xenoverse.booru.org/

Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)
Thank you

LAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>529668191

>>529975249 (OP)
Note is pure!

>>529975249 (OP)
KEK. Great OP!

I miss Toriyama, I miss him alot.

>>529976208
We all do, anon.

>>529976208
Same.
Thank you, Toriyama.

>>529973550
>Man, the DBM jannies are deleting the mildest disagreements I've ever seen in the comments.
After Bra's rampage, a lot of readers and mods dropped out, now all that's left in the mod team are cultists.

>>529976208
Man, now I'm sad.

>>529977347
Is that why the reaction is super weak and all the comments milquetoast as hell?

Apparently Toyotaro mentioned Dragon Ball Online at the french expo
Based

>>529977960
Yeah, and mods have been deleting most of the comments that call out on how shit the fight was. They've been doing that for years.

>>529978445
Just from what I saw, like half the comments got deleted, I can't even imagine how many more were deleted before I went to check the comment sections.

>>529978445
Any stand out comments that got deleted?
>>529978221
Honestly, a DBO revival might be the way forward for the franchise. I have trouble trusting anyone with DB's future without a unified vision led and enforced by a single guy like with Toriyama.

>>529977347
>the DBM jannies are deleting the mildest disagreements I've ever seen in the comments
I didn't notice because I read the spanish versions and the translator/jannie there clearly believes this was shit himself despite trying to be professional but yeah, the english comment section is in full damage control, calling the readers dumb for not realizing how the story was going to go and saying the tournament never mattered

>>529979346
The french comment section is mostly just random weak and uninteresting reactions one way or another. I suspect it either got cleared a bunch or french people have mostly given up on DBM given how empty the comment section is.

>>529979346
>calling the readers dumb for not realizing how the story was going to go and saying the tournament never mattered
I'm even one guy saying "well ackshooly, XXI always wins quickly so he should win quickly!"

>>529980112
>I'm even one guy
I'm even seeing one guy* GOD DAMN IT

>>529980112
What a coincidence that everyone dunking on that retard got deleted.

>>529980112
I think those that I hate the most are those going 'Goku didn't stand a chance, what could you expect him to do? XXI already beat those boring OCs!'.
It's fucking Goku, the protag of the entire franchise. If your fanmanga make people have 0 expectations from him and go 'He can't do shit' about something instead of being excited and hopeful about what he can pull off to save the day or help out, you fucked up.

>>529980335
That guy even compared the XXI fight with Goku's fight Taopaipai and King Piccolo, like the circumstances in those fights and DBM's are remotely comparable kek.

>>529980959
>what could you expect him to do? XXI already beat those boring OCs!'.
And Goku could do so much

>Afterimages to make XXI fail at tracking down Goku
>Or copy Bra's clone like Uub did
>Teleport and hide when XXI stops time (Since Piccolo claimed the Za Warudo can be felt before it activates), that way XXI wastes a Za Warudo and Goku is safe from the countdown since the Vargas would also stop
>Simply attack XXI quickly because he has weird powers and Elder Kaioshin warned him of XXI
And so on and on...

>>529980959
This for sure. Even if Goku is a secondary in your fanmanga his rights should always be special. Think Goku vs Cell. Even if you knew he wasn't going to win his fight was a spectacle. He pulled one of the best finisher moves in series history. His arsenal is massive and he's a strategic fighter.
Do not disrespect Goku kek. That's whole other level of characterfagging.

>>529981676
>Even if Goku is a secondary in your fanmanga his rights should always be special.
Honestly calling Goku in DBM 'secondary' is an overstatement, he was tertiary at best.
I bet Salagir think we should already be clapping with joy just because Goku got to the final at all.

>>529981998
>I bet Salagir think we should already be clapping with joy just because Goku got to the final at all.
IIRC he even talked like Goku was always planned to reach the finals because he's Goku. And then Salagir pulled that off kek.

Another issue with the way SHITlagir ended the fight is his over reliance on hax/magic. At some point in Z you got the understanding that magic just isn't effective anymore. Babidi couldn't control Vegeta because he was too strong. The surprise was Vegeta letting babidi do it. Guys like Vegetto get a lot of weird immunities to random things simply because they out power them (think the candy beam).

>>529981624
>That guy even compared the XXI fight with Goku's fight Taopaipai and King Piccolo,
Which is utterly retarded because Goku didn't suddenly explode in 3 pages against either of them AND got a rematch that he won, the latter we know will never ever happen.
>And Goku could do so much
Exactly, Goku has so many options! Hell, you could even pull some big twist that he found a way around the time stop somehow, revealing he has his halo on so he's technically dead or some shit.

>>529982174
>Another issue with the way SHITlagir ended the fight is his over reliance on hax/magic.
It's kinda like some comment said
>XXI is an extremely boring villain, written like "That Guy" attempting to shadowrun and ruin the spirit of a setting by using a very generous interpretation of RAW to instantly win every combat encounter.
Salagir keeps trying to 'outsmart' the setting and it's just fucking annoying, especially since he's just a moron.
Compare how time stop was handled with Hit and Guldo with how DBM handle some fodder with a time stop (which somehow come with an insta-kill feature that's never explained).
>weird immunities
It's not really weird IMO, it actually make a lot of sense. How are you gonna magically affect a supernatural energy that dwarf your magic so much, you're barely a spec next to it? It's like trying to poison the ocean with a single drop.

>>529982150
>because he's Goku.
It was 100% his way to whine and seethe about 'Muh plot armor'.

>>529983294
I saw that one before it was deleted. It was a reaction to the mod deleting a bunch of comments before I could finish even reading them.
I'm surprised there aren't more of them.

>>529982174
>>529982560
Hit vs Goku is good because Toriyama tailored the hax and the resistance to the fight.
DBM is bad because Salagir tailor the fight to the hax and gives no resistance (only technical immunity based on loopholes or inherent status like the 'pure heart' thing against Devilman in OG).

>>529982231
>Which is utterly retarded because Goku didn't suddenly explode in 3 pages against either of them AND got a rematch that he won, the latter we know will never ever happen.
Not to mention, those fights happened after Goku was kicking ass and taking names, so having opponents who can defeat him so easily builds tension, but Goku is, like another anon said, a tertiary character in this story. His biggest highlight is the Vegeta fight but he has no story relevance or presence beyond that, so in the end, he was just another jobber in XXI's way.

It does say something that one of Salagir's OCs, that Namekian, fought XXI far better, and the fight was longer too... He's not even subtle about OCfagging.

>Exactly, Goku has so many options! Hell, you could even pull some big twist that he found a way around the time stop somehow, revealing he has his halo on so he's technically dead or some shit.
Or even the fact that he isn't actually stopping time, only making non-androids not move, so ki blasts and the like are still going to move... The move is overwhelming but there are a few weaknesses...

>>529982560
>Compare how time stop was handled with Hit and Guldo with how DBM handle some fodder with a time stop (which somehow come with an insta-kill feature that's never explained).
Toriyama was careful when giving something like that to other characters. Guldo had time stop but he wasn't that powerful, and could only hide before Krillin and Gohan found him again. Hit could spam it, but it was for a short time and Goku managed to consistently predict where Hit will be.

By comparison, this one lasts for entire minutes, even with some weaknesses like "Androids are immune to it", it's still overwhelming.

>>529985063
>His biggest highlight is the Vegeta fight but he has no story relevance or presence beyond that, so in the end, he was just another jobber in XXI's way.
Goku in that tournament is basically the equivalent of Nam in OG DB I just realized.
>and the fight was longer too...
More importantly: There was a real fight at all, which Goku didn't get.
>Or even the fact that he isn't actually stopping time, only making non-androids not move, so ki blasts and the like are still going to move...
God, it would have been so kino to have Goku basically have to fight in Gaara mode, where he's paralyzed but still move his ki to defend his body and attack XXI.

>>529985063
>Toriyama was careful when giving something like that to other characters.
Yup, he always made them strong enough to stand out while also not letting them completely take over the fight.
>Goku managed to consistently predict where Hit will be.
And then both upped the stakes with Hit improving his time stop and Goku using Kaioken to go so fast, he could fight inside the time stop.
>it's still overwhelming.
Especially since again, it has an insta-kill feature built in for some reason despite making no sense and being unexplained. There is be no reason that touch someone in time stop should kill them.

You just know Salagir was seething when he was 'forced' to make Goku win against Freeza's aging hax

>>529986759
If Salagir knew how to write hax fights, instead of Goku rushing to one shot Freeza before it's too late, he'd have pulled a Dark Sage or Kaku Kaioh and just kicked Freeza's ass with the thousand year worth of martial art skill and experience the time bullshit gave him.

>>529986759
or when he made Vegeta say
>god i wish i was the one beating goku to death
when for current Vegeta is the most OOC thing to say

>>529987104
Current Vegeta would be disgusted at such pathetic behavior, beating a weaker lookalike with glee to cope with being incapable to actually do it to the one he's really mad about.

They're missing the point so hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flj6AKoWE3k

>>529985397
>Goku in that tournament is basically the equivalent of Nam in OG DB I just realized.
And Nam was more respected than, this...

>More importantly: There was a real fight at all, which Goku didn't get.
XXI was even seething at the end of the fight, Goku doesn't get to frustrate XXI even a little...

>God, it would have been so kino to have Goku basically have to fight in Gaara mode, where he's paralyzed but still move his ki to defend his body and attack XXI.
If it were Vegeta, Salagir would allow him to do something like that...

>>529985682
>Especially since again, it has an insta-kill feature built in for some reason despite making no sense and being unexplained. There is be no reason that touch someone in time stop should kill them.
Ironically that moment reminded me of RoF... Salagir loves to shit on Super but also repeats the same retarded decisions.

Work hard, study well, eat and sleep plenty
Give life your all.

>>529989173
Based

Do you think Salagir started out looking down at Goku or it's something he developed as he discarded random alternate selves of Goku?

>>529976208
I've had to accept that, I miss him, but that he also hadn't written anything I liked since Super Broly. So while I'd like him to still be around, I'm also glad he can't do anymore damage to a franchise I care deeply about. He's done irreparable damage to the series by failing to unify the fandom with canon, original recipe Super Saiyan 4 at the end of Daima before he died. I can't even bring myself to imagine how much worse things could've gotten if he hadn't passed when he did.

>>529987732
I remember playing that! It had an adult taking Goten's place, but they only swapped models so he was crouching while doing a fighting pose when on the ground because his feet must touch the ground, looked so funny.

>/dragonball multiverse general/

This general has gone through many forms

it used to be the xxenoverse cac genreal, then the fighterz general til they split off then the game died and they merged with /fgg/ then died off, then the heroes general then heroes died then for a brief period the sparking zero/breakers general and they died off as well now it's multiverse general which is really just bitching about how bad the writing is after well over a decade of of it.

>>529975430
>Will people finally understand those guys are just employees
Don't you know, Toyotaro was handed over the entire Dragon Ball IP upon Toriyama's death.. AF is about to officially be recognized as an official timeline of Dragon Ball. Please, look forward to content from it appearing in games.

>>529992954
I think the multiverse one happened more so because there isn't as much to talk about about either games, anime or manga, and now that Goku lost the finals it'll be toned down...

>>529993629
I just really hate when fan stuff mistreat Goku. He need more wins, not less.

>>529992954
Breakers lasted for a surprising amount of time. I'd say it lasted the longest after XV2 as the main thread topic.

>>529993960
You aren't the only one... Specially when fan stuff mistreats Goku to prop up Vegeta.

>>529994885
>Specially when fan stuff mistreats Goku to prop up Vegeta.
Vegefagging is one of the worst aspect of the franchise. One of the rare times Toriyama gave in to fan demands and it was clearly for the worse.

>>529994885
It's to off balance the extreme Gokufaggotry Toei has (Z movies). Toriyama later in his life also got extreme Gokufaggotry (see the entirety of Daima).

>>529998138
Problem is vegeta fagging is worse because its buying into his hype and forgetting what makes him actually tolerable as a character. If it was shit like
>vegeta is the one to finish off Moro because he grew as a character and as a fighter, closing the book on some of his previous misdeeds
then it'd be fine but its always the worst aspects highlighted or just completely out of character.
The goku show is bad, the vegeta show is just as bad if not worse.

>>529998138
>Gokufaggotry is Goku failing to beat the big bad
Kill yourself.

>>529998532
>The goku show is bad,
The Goku show is good actually and is the very foundation of everything dragon ball.

It's officially DBS's 10th anniversary! Happy Birthday DBS!

>>529998658
You're retarded
keeping it as purely the goku show is exactly why goku has regressed into a retard and forgotten half of the lessons he learned in life because there's only so much you can do with a single character, either you have no stories left to tell that involve their character traits or you flanderize them to tell stories you've already told

>>529998793
I'm still hyped when I see the Hit fight.

>>529998806
>keeping it as purely the goku show is
Literally hasn't been 'The Goku show' since OG DB and it has been for the worse, narratively and visually.
Sorry you're brain dead and can't understand the importance of a main character and of learning to let your supporting cast go. Trying to keep everyone around all the time is the actual reason you're so limited in terms of stories you can tell.

>>529998793
I still think Commeson and Barry Khan were fun random arcs.

>>529998793
Fuck, it's really been 10 years: https://x.com/DB_official_en/status/1941331365859148197
I feel old.
Are we all sharing our favorite parts of it or something celebrate?

Apparently, Toriyama is the one who requested to remove the two tone thing from the gi in the show proper.

>>529997403
Yeah, Vegeta being Goku's equal doesn't sit well with me, since Goku consistently has shown to be a better fighter, Super Hero just made it worse since it dumbed down Goku (He doesn't know about meditation, and thinks you should just power up to improve) to prop up Vegeta (He had an epiphany, learned to medidate, and that's the reason he won).

>>529998138
I don't think it's a good thing to balance out Gokufagging by making him dumber and annoying.

>>529999586
I've unironically grown fond of the fucked up Episode 5. It's such a goofy watch.

>>529999997
>He doesn't know about meditation
How weird. I clearly remember him meditating way back in Cell Saga. When he was training with Gohan in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

>>529998537
It's not just that. The Z movies made Goku out to be some jesus like figure who literally could not lose. He was the king of asspulls and rendered everyone else irrelevant.

>>529999106
>Literally hasn't been 'The Goku show' since OG DB
You're blind

>>529999997
>Yeah, Vegeta being Goku's equal doesn't sit well with me, since Goku consistently has shown to be a better fighter
It's also a terrible narrative decision since it means you also have to give them both a shot at every opponent every single time and you can never have a moment where Goku or Vegeta are just standing on their own because they are always together and since they are equal, even if Goku or Vegeta get KO'd, you know there's still someone on the level fighting.
It also mean you can never have one really do better than the other in a fight so neither can really just power up beyond the bad guy.
>Super Hero just made it worse since it dumbed down Goku
That's not really what happened tho. What Vegeta did was copying Jiren, who wasn't doing 'normal' meditation, which is why Goku didn't feel anything from Vegeta and thought he was just sitting.

>>529999586
>it has been 10 years
Dragon Ball Super renewed my interest in the show. My dad got into Dragon Ball because of Super. I like many parts of Super while despising other parts.

>>530000504
You're coping.

>>530000620
>Dragon Ball Super renewed my interest in the show. My dad got into Dragon Ball because of Super.
Insanely based.

>>530000696
Dragon Ball Daima was the Goku show. Dragon Ball GT was the Goku show. The Dragon Ball Super Anime was the Goku and Bejita show.

>>529992954
Sounds like a strong argument for another evolution to /shonen games general/...

>>530000873
>Dragon Ball Daima was the Goku show.
Vegeta took like half the screentime the second he showed up, Arinsu and her Majins took significant screentime, same for Gomah and Degesu and the Big Bad had literally everyone fighting him almost the entire time and one of said side characters was the one who beat him in the end.
>Dragon Ball GT was the Goku show.
Half the episodes were about Pan fucking around and creating problem for everyone.
>The Dragon Ball Super Anime was the Goku and Bejita show.
It literally had more focus on the side characters than any part of DB since the Saiyan Saga.
The TOP was more side-character focus than ANY other point in the franchise and Cell MAX took it even further.
Goku should get MORE focus, not less.

>>530001028
Literally just go make it yourself if you want it so much.
Also it's not like anyone ever stopped you from talking about whatever here.

>>529998793
10 years of undercooked, poorly animated mid... and Super Dragon Ball Heroes! i look forward to the SDBH 10th Anniversary in 2028. that used to be my silver lining, man. no matter how bad the main continuity got, i could rely on Heroes to remix the new assets into something entertaining. maybe it's for the best it ended before it was infected by Daipa and before they incorporated any of the Super Latino characters or forms into the story.

>>529998793
10 years of pure kino. It was so great seeing everyone enjoy DB again and even seeing new people get into it. A whole new generation of DB fan was born.
We also made massive strides when it come to the fanbase and DB's reputation, burying shit like TFS and 'Goku is a bad dad' in the popular opinion.

>>529999586
I liked this scene a lot.

>>530001276
Wouldn't work, for the same reason all the co-op PvE games share a general with Darktide. DBZ would be the core of the thread (in theory).

>>530000873
You're wigging the fuck out. DBS was a Vegeta humiliation ritual. They won't even let his Ultra Instinct equivalent form out of the manga cage. He only exists to farm nostalgia in the Trunks and ToP arcs, and to be fusion material. Vegeta's biggest DBS moment is retreading Final Explosion without the stakes. Just like how Gohan's biggest moment is just a retread of Super Saiyan 2. lmao

>>530001535
You reminded me of the scene where Goku explain to 17 that he doesn't see himself as a hero and mostly wants to fight for fun, it's just that he can't stand to see people suffering and the weak getting abused without lending a hand if he can.
It was such a great scene.

>>530001632
>DBS was a Vegeta humiliation ritual.
I wish, it would have been entertaining than unendingly forcing him on the screen when he should have long been sent home.
>>530001535
It was a good one. There was also Trunks visiting Gohan at his house and seeing him happy with his wife and kid.

>>530001632
In Dragon Ball any amount of screentime, whether good or bad, is enough to make your character more liked by people. Super did a lot to "help" Bejita out in that regard. They moved him from the eternal always in Goku's shadow person to Goku's definitive rival. Their dynamic completely shifts.

>>530000410
He was also shown meditating before Buu saga. It's not put emphasis on but Goku was meditating here and there.

>>530000565
>That's not really what happened tho. What Vegeta did was copying Jiren, who wasn't doing 'normal' meditation, which is why Goku didn't feel anything from Vegeta and thought he was just sitting.
I doubt it's really that different given that what Jiren does is similar to what Popo was teaching Goku. But even if it is something different, the point that Vegeta reached that conclusion before Goku, and Vegeta was explaining it all to him while Goku was clearly not aware of anything, and all of this started because Goku thought they just have to become stronger.

It's even more retarded to have Goku be the dumb one in that conversation, Broly was right there, they could've explained to him such things and it'd make sense since Broly doesn't know of such things.

Ultimately Goku was the worst one when it comes to mental training, which is completely retarded since only him and Piccolo were ever shown to meditate consistently.

>>530001535
for me, it was this scene.

>>530001632
you forgot that even in the manga Ultra Ego has never won a fight...

>>530002414
>Broly was right there, they could've explained to him such things and it'd make sense since Broly doesn't know of such things.
That's a good point actually.

>>530002579
Botamo is such a smug fat fuck, I love that Winnie the Pooh fatty.
The fact he can just send any damage to another dimension and it's just never expended on so they just throw his ass out of the ring is so funny.

>>530002364
>They moved him from the eternal always in Goku's shadow person
WHERE?
when Goku beat Beerus?
when Goku won the Prelim tournament?
when Goku summoned Zeno to destroy Trunks' entire cosmology?
when Goku won the Tournament of Power with the help of Freeza and 17 instead of Vegeta?
when Gogeta beat Broly?
when Vegeta spent half the Moro arc training and still got beat the fuck up, so Goku had to beat Moro?
when Ultra Ego jobbed to Granolah and Gas?
when Goku got Temu Super Saiyan 4 in Daima while Vegeta sat around with his thumb up his Super Senior ass Super Saiyan 3?
where's the bit where Vegeta is on Goku's level?
the Mickey Mouse duel from Super Hero where they had to fight in base form and without blasts? get real. lmao

I wish XV3 has less moves but those moves are more meaningful in how you obtain them. Getting my own move inspired by Piccolo as a result of a questline with him would be way more satisfying than just looting the move while grinding PQs.

>>530002997
*Super Senior Super Saiyan 3 ass

>>530002997
>>530003114
You try way too hard.

This ED is now playing in your head.

>>530003184
considering you're here trying to reply to all my posts–day & night–it feels like i'm trying the correct amount. if you want me to stop, heaping positive reinforcement onto me isn't gonna get it done. LOL

>>529998793
Such a dogshit series, but it brought interest back into DB games so not all bad

>>530003376
That's a very sad way to say everyone keep telling you you're retarded whenever you post here.

>>530001854
>I wish, it would have been entertaining than unendingly forcing him on the screen when he should have long been sent home.
him doing that slave shit to beerus is extremely OOC and humiliating

>>530003375
Which one was it? Haruka? Or 70 Centimeter Square Window? I doubt it's Usubeni.

>>530003560
>him doing that slave shit to beerus
It was the only good part of his screentime. I wish it happened more.

>>530003586
I believe it's Haruka.

>>530003474
wack response, ngl.

>>530003785
Yeah, I checked and the Gohan / Goku one is Haruka. I like it a lot. I think it and 70 centimeter are my favorite Super EDs.

>>530002997
Goku and Vegeta were dead 100% equal during Resurrection F. They were both rival students under Whis. They became much closer than they were pre Super. If you can't see this you're kinda retarded.

>>530004120
70cm Square Window is a really good one. Evil Angel and Righteous Devil was also a fun OP, the manga panel slides were neat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBMwKJcIK4g&list=PLU6GDXIHhE2smV2-kcgP51870W72qAiD2&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedfFkDkNUY&list=PLTxkdU3Vqtz8_Bv35g4Q0-PaUkWzxH8x4&index=7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ-0AyFnMyo&list=PLTxkdU3Vqtz8_Bv35g4Q0-PaUkWzxH8x4&index=6
All of the Super outros had a cozy feel. These are the best ones.

>>530004120
>>530004560
All the ones near the end were really solid. The early ones not so much. Some of them I can't even remember the melody off the top of my head.

>>530004842
The fuck you mean. The ones at the end sucked. Boogie back is shit.

>>530004913
It had a catchy beat and that section with the visuals of the fighters sliding across the screen to the music I really liked.

>>530004785
The music is alright but all this animation is so soulless...

>>530003375
Imagine the shitstorm if Vegeta was the 3rd to lose in the ToP like some speculated from the ED due to Krillin and Ten being the first to go.

>>530006456
Yeah... to think, we could've missed out on... Final Explosion (again)...

Sometimes I am reminded with Unreal games you can just straight up gamedev new features in

The English dub dialogue is honestly trash, but I think the voices are much better.
Examples: Krillin actually sounds like a dwarf without a nose instead of a toddler. The Ginyu Force are probably the best example, they all have diverse voices with lots of character, while in the original language they're all generic high pitched voice Japanese man.

>>529991376
>original recipe Super Saiyan 4
But that's just the normal Super Saiyan 4, not the ripoff made 30 years later.

Owari da.

>>530020736
I think we're saying the same thing. My frustration stems from the fact Toriyama didn't use the original recipe design, and instead made up a new design 30 years later. I think he had an opportunity to unify the fandom by bringing old Super Saiyan 4 into the new continuity with DBS and it's a shame he didn't take it. Reworking SS4 changed what would've been a universally positive "holy shit" moment, into one where half the fandom was always going to go "what the fuck is that" instead, cause it isn't just the regular Super Saiyan 4 design we've all known for 30 years.

>>530021602
how did he go rogue?

>>530021672
Oh yeah then that's true. It was still a holy shit moment, but just disappointed it was never elaborated on and ended up "well headcanon it yourself lol".

>>530001328
It took me until the other day to realize another reason heroes was axed was probably the entire demon realm plot contradicting daima and their interpretation of it.
Man, I hope divers starts doing original stuff sooner rather than later, it's so uninteresting to start from the beginning with nothing again. I should get around to buying world mission now that it's on sale, I don't think they'll give a fuck about another purchase, especially when the game is 90% off, but I dream of a world where we have a sequel that has everything from h1 to mm6

>>530022928
I don't think they care, XV2 is adding Daima characters while continuing with their Demon Realm story all the same (Fu's plotline)

>>529989173
Salagir would NEVER be able to write something as good as that.

>>529987640
Fun fact, they just closed the link to the Discord. I even got banned for discussing the current events. No insults, no foul language, just fair criticism.

>>529980959
>>529981676
Very well said. Imagine if DBM wrote the Cell arc, Goku wouldn't even fight Cell at all. Or maybe the fight would be 5 pages long and then it'd be Gohan.

fusions 2

>>530026848
Salagir is a typical fanfic writer who is "smarter than you" and thinks shitty twists are the pinna>>530031782
cle of goodwritting, and like his kind he is incapable of sincerity

>>530043035
This is what happens when you let """writers""" take the helm instead of actual artists who can draw manga

>>530028223
>Salagir writes the Cell arc
>Goku lands on the arena
>Immediately gets death beamed
>Gohan goes SS2 (because he's SOOOO mad!)
>Goku still gets up to teleport Cell away anyway because "that set piece is important!"
>Vegeta goes SS2 when Trunks gets instakilled
>Kills Cell with a Final Flash

>>530020736
>>530021672
>>530022625
GTfags deserve less

>>529998793
It was DBS anniversary long ago, retard, DBS first chapter released before the first episode

>>530046373
needs more shitting on Goku
>Goku comes out of the time chamber with Gohan early
>forgives 18 and 17
>forgives cell aswell letting him capture 18 and 17
>everyone shits on him for being too trusting
>Cell tournement
>Goku gets death beamed round 1
>Gohan steps in talkihg shit of how his dad never takes shit seriously, goes ssj2
>Gohan is son of goku so of course he fumbles the kill
>Goku teleports cell out of the planet
>cell comes back and everyone shits on goku again, saying he is useless
>Cell kills Trunks
>Vegeta goes HYPER Vegeta and gutpunches cell killing the core
>speech on how Goku was never a real fighter because he lacks the killer instinct
>the speech of goku staying in heaven remains but also mentions how he was never needed

Toyotaro
> I'm also very proud of having created Black Freeza.
LMAO

>>530004560
True.
>>530004785
You forgot Boogey Back.

>>530004785
i like the ending 3 but the latam version

>>530006456
That would have been kino.

>>530021602
>Betrayed and trapped
It's called having a fucking job. If he wanted to have more control over his work, he should have made his own franchise.
>>530009764
I wonder why nobody has done it yet.

>dbm has a villain that is metagaming, literally two steps ahead of everybody
>he beats vegeto
>he beats gast, the most op mary sue guy in dbm, who is crazy strong but can also use magic
>goku loses to this bad guy *surprised pikachu*
>instant latinx meltdown that OUR HERO lost

>>530026848
>Fun fact, they just closed the link to the Discord.
I forgot they even had a discord. I can't even imagine the shitstorm there.
>>530049834
They're just jealous of Gorilla Grips.
>>530053525
>needs more shitting on Goku
That's giving Goku too much focus compared to how it is in DBM tho

In retrospect, GT was FAR better than Multiverse, wasn't it?

>>530057043
>It's been shit for a long time so it's okay for the final match to be shit too!
Bad bait. Here's your pity (you).

>>530057265
GT is the worst DB show so far, which still mean it was enjoyable overall. Multiverse isn't enjoyable outside of very specific pages and plot ideas that quickly got ruined.

>>530057043
It's not an issue of Goku losing, it's an issue of the main Dragon Ball character (Dragon Ball, the real manga, not the retarded OC wankfest, not the retarded scifi wannabe edgefest) being put there as the last and only counter to that guy... That guy meta'd his way to beat all the OCs and now it would have been the perfect moment to have the Dragon Ball guy outplay his hax because he's the guy from the original manga, the hero with the decades of martial arts experience... And it's the final fight of the tournament and he's being setup as a real threat to the bad guy since the previous chapter... And then lol nope fuck off

It would have been the same if it was Vegeta. It's an issue of shit writing, not W/L record

>>530043239
>I can defend myself
Bulma would never say that.
Also you know Salagir is soulless because his fanmanga isn't even written in the traditional reading order for manga.

>>530054580
He's proud about ripping off Golden Freeza beat for beat with a less pleasing form?

>>530057043
>dbm has a villain that is metagaming
Which should make him fodder that get clowned on by literal every rules and morals in the story, especially by Goku.

>>530057636
>It's not an issue of Goku losing
I do think Goku shouldn't have lost, him winning and XXI being reduced to cheating and stealing the wish like a rat to get his way would have been perfectly in line with how a character like that would be treated in the original manga.
But the bigger issue is that Goku lost without a fight at all and every DBM supporter's reaction was 'Of course, what could GOKU do?' which is just unacceptable. If that's people's reaction to Goku's defeat, your entire story should go in the trash.
And it's fucking Goku, he can ALWAYS do something, even if he can't win himself, the entire Android and Cell sagas

>>530058546
>And it's fucking Goku, he can ALWAYS do something, even if he can't win himself, that was the point of the entire Android and Cell Saga*
I missclicked and sent it too early.

>>530057682
How else would you know Bulma is a strong independant woman? Lol

>>530058546
You perfectly pinpointed the issue. I could accept Xxi cheating at the very end of a great fight and giving Goku the "moral" victory at the very least but this is completely retarded. It's not even just an issue of being Dragon Ball retarded but they have no idea of what makes a story work in the first place. They genuinely think these "twists" make it as satisfying if not more.

GT absolutely stomps Shitverse. Hell, even DBS does.

>>530058546
>every DBM supporter's reaction was 'Of course, what could GOKU do?'
which is also pretty fucking ridiculous, because who the fuck thinks "oh i already know who's gonna win the FINAL MATCH of this decade and a half long tournament arc, it's obviously gonna be the OP OC and he'll do it in like two pages haha" and being correct on that assumption is good writing?

>>530057682
if toriyama wrote that scene, bulma would say something along the lines of
>are you going to leave your young and cute mom alone? what if something happens to me..
while trunks going
>fine you can come

>>529998793
I miss GODgon Ball GOATper so much bros, we got so much KINO vidya during this era of GODriyama.
meanwhile the Daipa and Super movie era left a dry spell on us.

I wanna go back.

>>530057043
>How dare you like the protag of Dragon Ball in the Dragon Ball general?!
Why are you here if you don't like Dragon Ball?
>>530058779
The mention of leadership was pretty forced too. Future Bulma didn't lead shit.

>Hon hon hon, ah oui, zis is going to be very great in mon Dragon Ball Zed!

Why are French like that?

>>530059084
Yeah, you nailed it. People tend to forget Future Bulma is still Bulma. Her reaction to Trunks saying 'Dad was cool, you were right' was to think 'WTF? I never imagined that big bitch could chill for a single second when I lied to Trunks about him' before continuing to lie.

>>530059084
The difference being that Toriyama would write what Bulma would say while Salagir wants to infodump his retarded scifi wannabe worldbuilding

Fun fact: the DBM artist defended the current decision by claiming Dragon Ball wasn't a martial arts manga since the Saiyans. This shows a very, very deep misconception at the core of the work. It can't be fixed. They're not writing with the same inspirations.

>>530059065
>and giving Goku the "moral" victory at the very least
I see that "you" have "arrived'. Raise triumphant cry, you "champion".

>>530057265
GT was dogshit with horrible drawn out fights, trash animation, and gay toei fanfic forms and power levels.

>>530059620
Can we agree that even Kengan Omega is less schizophrenic than Multiverse? Honestly Sandro needs to scale the wall if he wants to get to Salagir levels of hackery

>>530059556
>by claiming Dragon Ball wasn't a martial arts manga since the Saiyans.
Goku literally dunk on Vegeta using martial art technique after training for 6 months with a mystical martial art god that gave him a martial art technique that allow him to connect and use the power of nature.
How the FUCK is that not classic Wuxia shit? It's literally right out of Journey To The West.
Fucking Namek is basically a sci fi version of a hidden village of wise mystics and immortals.

>>530059708
While you may be right about most of these things (shit fights especially), GT was still a story, which DBM isn't. DBM is a DND campaign

>>530059556
>Fun fact: the DBM artist defended the current decision by claiming Dragon Ball wasn't a martial arts manga since the Saiyans.
My big brain take: It was never a martial arts manga.

>>530059742
>Can we agree that even Kengan Omega is less schizophrenic than Multiverse?
Yeah, Omega has it's issues but Multiverse is worse. Even Sandro isn't retarded enough to just bring Koga and Ohma back in focus only to have them get dumpstered.
Omega has it's own issues (the villains are toothless, which is almost as bad as DBM's villains being too OP) and share some issues (Raian is basically treated like Vegeta is in DBM) but DBM is just worse.
Even Daro's ChatGTP has more consistent art too.

>wuxia

>>530059556
Hey, he's not wrong, actual martial arts themes and even stances stopped mattering once Nappa and Vegeta appeared, there were no unique fighting styles anymore everybody was just brawling with each other even in Super they were just throwing heymakers at each other but they fooled everybody into thinking the martial arts themes were back by having the characters take certain stances again like Hit and Jiren taking boxing stances at certain points, Gomah taking a wrestling stance, Whis, Meerus and Zamasu taking chinese martial arts stances as well but it was all artificial once they made contact with each other it was basically slopper knocking until one of them fall down and occasionally a ki blast most of which go unamed, but that's fine, even in the old days characters didn't shout their attacks as often as the animes made people believe especially the way one piece does it where damn near ever action has an attack name said

>>530059967
It was always martial arts themed. It wasn't a scifi story or a magic story. It was about strong guys punching each other.

>>530059937
>DBM is a DND campaign
Fuck, it really is, isn't it?
>>530059708
Yeah but that's still better than DBM

>>530060147
Then how about making a Dragon Ball sequel where they don't fight, because Bulma just took some Ki from the heroes to craft super powerful laser guns and fighting is now useless. They just shoot each other and use magic spells to teleport people into black holes. Would that be fitting because they stopped making turtle stances at some point? Of course not

>>530059708
this page will never be topped, because not only its funny as fuck out of context, the fact Salagir had it made to show how bad mysogito is only for everyone to be cheering for him when it happen instead

>>530060378
Holy shit, shut the hell up, this is why nobody likes liberals your arrogant sarcasm just pisses people off further than routes them to your cause

>>530060262
It's LITERALLY a DND campaign if you spend 10s thinking about it

>powerwank all the time (even Gast had to heal himself after he lost to XXI just so the writers could make a point that he can heal himself)
>stupid arbitrary power rules everywhere
>"""worldbuilding""" infodump all the time to allude to random factions in the universe that don't really matter to the story and will never appear but it makes thing feels more realistic!
>tons of retarded powerwank vocabulary, power statements, characters speaking for the author/to the readers, acting OOC

>>530060758
don't forget the GM making fun of the players because they dont play ball making him seem more petty and childish (minicomics)

>>530057215
>I can't even imagine the shitstorm there
I'd imagine a bunch of black/hispanic teenagers spamming Piccolo aura farm memes with the occasional "I heard you're a pedo" SS4 Gogeta meme. So basically just DB fans on twitter

>>530046373
>Goku still gets up to teleport Cell away anyway because "that set piece is important!"
It's actually hilarious that Goku's sacrifice being pointless in the sense that it failed at killing Cell would just feel bad if Salagir wrote it, as Salagir makes "pointless" sacrifices frustrating because he uses it as a chance to make their pets shine. Goku's sacrifice works because on top of the attempt at saving everyone, he got to convince Gohan to fight back, and decided to remain dead on his own terms (Even if his reasoning is bullshit).

Toriyama makes possibly frustrating moments work by having a reason for them to happen that way. Salagir makes frustrating moments even more frustrating to be unpredictable and make his pets shine.

>>530053525
You forgot everyone talking like Goku has no chance at beating Cell, to make Goku's loss more "obvious".

>>530059065
A hack writer's attempt at doing a cool story is making it unpredictable after all...

>>530059620
>>530059742
Kek these swerves got me thinking of Kengan Omega too.

>>530060758
still better than dbs and gt and daipa so cry about it kek

>>530060642
I don't do sarcasm, my post ends with "of course not". If that sounded snarky that wasn't my intent, that's just not how I like to do things. Just wanted to illustrate my point with something these frogs would actually have done if they felt like it.

>>530060997
Nah, Daima ended up way better than DBM. It's a simplistic, even childish story, but that means it's infinitely less schizophrenic, tryhard, and stupid. Daima is for children, which means an adult can appreciate it too, but DBM is for manchildren.

>>530060997
Notice how the page you post to defend DBM is one of the very few that don't lose track and stick as close as possible to very standard DBZ content. SS3 Goku fighting Uub. Stuff so basic you could see in a Budokai Tenkaichi game.

Leave these very safe grounds, get to the 90% remaining content of DBM, and you wont find shit you can defend.

>>530060962
>A hack writer's attempt at doing a cool story is making it unpredictable after all...
this is the biggest sin of a hack, they are so worried and preocupied that someone will COMPARE their work they would actively sabotage their own work just to prove a point, there is also the reverse, for example toyopaco, who is another hack but instead he is so afraid of diverging from his percieved tropes he is basically running in circles, none of these two types writes a story they WANT to tell but what people they THINK would want to read

Everyone's thoughts on what Toyotaro, Nakatsuru, and Torishima said at the press conference?
This isn't the Sunday panel, but some social media influencer exclusive panel for anyone asking bug questions.

>>530061596
*big
Whoops.

>>530060962
It's even worse here because Dragon Ball is an incredibly earnest and straightforward story.

>>530060605
Must.....resist urge...to play....X7.... the first time...

Apparently Granolah's is Toyotaro favourite because he made him and Toriyama approved him instantly. He's also proud of Blacked Freeza

>>530061596
>"Choose your own canon"
I'm glad Toyo thinks the canonfagging is dumb too.

>>530059556
>Fun fact: the DBM artist defended the current decision by claiming Dragon Ball wasn't a martial arts manga since the Saiyans.
That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard, holy shit.

>he doubted him

>>530059556
>Fun fact: the DBM artist defended the current decision by claiming Dragon Ball wasn't a martial arts manga since the Saiyans. This shows a very, very deep misconception at the core of the work. It can't be fixed. They're not writing with the same inspirations.
If you're taking that point of view, it hasn't been about martial arts since Roshi blew up the moon.

He is retarded and there's no salvation. It's not about realistic martial arts, it's about a super powered one. Characters need to train to improve, mental training is also there once in a while, and fights are straightforward punching each other in the face even when someone with hack regeneration like Cell and Buu come around.

>>530061443
Even that fight only had Uub losing because his Maximum Kaioken damaged Uub's body too much, more than the damage he caused to Goku (Who didn't lay a finger on Uub once Uub activated Maximum Kaioken), so while one of the "better" fights, it still undermines Goku by having him get ragdolled.
>>530061479
Kek. Never realized Toyotaro and Salagir are opposites in the hack spectrum. Maybe they both should write a story together to balance each other other and the writing will still be garbage.

>>530059083
>because who the fuck
DBM fans apparently, that's who.

>>530062638
How many left? Like 500 people, top?

>>530062632
i need this but with SnK

>>530059269
Is this real?

>>530063348
Very, VERY real, sadly.

>>530062301
I wish I could ask Toyotaro the following questions

Are there plans for Dr. Hedo and Gamma 1 to appear again?
Now that Broly has learned to control himself is he gonna live on Earth or will he stay on Beerus's planet?
Are there any non canon characters he'd like to write about like Android 21, Cooler, Towa?
Are there any plans of seeing the demon realm again and how the characters introduced there have changed in the last 8 years in verse time since they last saw Goku?
Will Maki and Oil remain loyal to Freiza or will they try to flee like Cheelai and Lemo the first chance they get?

>>530063494
Apparently questions about DBS future weren't allowed and they all said "why ask us lol" when asked about when would Super return, it's all on Shueisha-Iyoku strife

>>530060642
Maybe you should try not being retarded then

>>530060758
>tons of retarded powerwank vocabulary, power statements, characters speaking for the author/to the readers, acting OOC
Which is somehow more immersion breaking than when Toriyama LITERALLY had Gohan turn to the audience to talk to them.

>>530060932
>So basically just DB fans on twitter
That would be the default state, Im' talking about the current shitstorm related to the awful chapter

>>530060962
>You forgot everyone talking like Goku has no chance at beating Cell,
Everyone except Cell who'd be shitting his pants despite one shotting Goku for some reason.
>Kek these swerves got me thinking of Kengan Omega too.
It's time for Keng/a/n and /dbg/ to unite. DBM is basically 'DB if written by Sandro'.

>>530063735
Aww
>>530064075
When did Gohan break the fourth wall? I don't remember that

>>530061596
>Everyone's thoughts on what Toyotaro, Nakatsuru, and Torishima said at the press conference?
I don't care about what a bunch of wagies have to say, give me a real authority over the franchise and then I might care.

>>530064456

>>530061805
That meme is great.

>>530063735
>it's Iyoku's fault we got Sandland anime, Daima(?), no more Super movies or arcs and indirectly no more Heroes, replaced by the inferior Superdivers

>>530062632
>It's not about realistic martial arts, it's about a super powered one.
Yeah, it's about an idealized mystical view of martial arts and what lies beyond human limits and self improvement.
It's not different from when Sci Fi has psykers, as an extension of technology and the human brain.

>>530064742
Oh, thanks for the update, Gohan.

>>530064742
Way better and wittier than any DBM dialogue

>>530063031
Given the comments, I'd say 200? Even Kakumei has more comments and you'd think the Finals would have the most comments.

>>530064410
>Everyone except Cell who'd be shitting his pants despite one shotting Goku for some reason.
god I hate how true this is...

>It's time for Keng/a/n and /dbg/ to unite. DBM is basically 'DB if written by Sandro'.
According to anons here, DBM is even worse, which surprised me as I expected them both to be around the same level. I should read Kengan Omega someday to confirm...

>>530065258
Sandro has many flaws and is completely schizophrenic at this point but he is in a much more straightforward way. You will cheer for the people he deems good and rejoice when the bad guys get wrecked again despite how nonsensical and underwhelming it is. It's weak but somewhat expected.

Just compare the authors pets, Bra and Raian. I'd have 20 Raians rather than half a Bra

lmao someone got a copy of Toyble's AF signed by Toyotaro

My biggest problem is the timestop itself. I didn't dislike the I'kl chapter but it was basically a jokey filler chapter before the finals, he literally stops time by shouting "ZAWARUDO", but now that fucking Jojo reference is both the way Goku loses and one of the final hurdles to overcome in the story?

>>530065681
>I'd have 20 Raians rather than half a Bra
At least Raian got his shit wrecked by Ohma and basically became his cheerleader. Meanwhile Bra had all the characters come to her defense when someone finally managed to rock her shit.

>>530026848
A moderator there did talk about "keeping an eye" on people, maybe he assumed you were a troll? Even then, there are people shitting on the fight without getting banned so far. They're being arbitrary about who to ban.

>>530065140
>Even Kakumei has more comments and you'd think the Finals would have the most comments.
People got banned for shitting on it...

>>530065835
Again, classic fanfic writer bullshit, they love taking joke stuff seriously and bringing them back to be massive plot points.
I still don't get why the time stop insta-kills too.

>>530066037
Yes, he asked if I was a banned account, I said no, he gave me his gay "I'll keep watching you ;)" speech and banned me the next hour lmao. This is a cult

>>530066240
>he gave me his gay "I'll keep watching you ;)"
God, I hate jannies so much

>>530065681
>Just compare the authors pets, Bra and Raian. I'd have 20 Raians rather than half a Bra
What is Raian like? >>530060101 said Vegeta is treated like him, which is bad enough...

>>530066240
About what I'd expect of those people. I wonder how many got banned...

>>530065258
>I should read Kengan Omega someday to confirm...
The threads on /a/ are very fun. I still remember conceptualizing a Kengan version of Goku. It was fun.

>>530067178
>What is Raian like?
He's basically a Hokuto No Ken bandit stereotype that got turned into the MC's Vegeta.
He did chill faster than Vegeta and the story does imply he'll become wiser and settle down over the years like his grandpa.
He's like DBM's Vegeta in that he wins when he narratively should have just lost and you know it only happened because the author couldn't bear to make him take a L on panel and preferred to sacrifice the story.
It's not AS bad as DBM because frankly bad guys in Kengan have always been toothless jobbers, they aren't really the focus.

>>530067178
The big difference between Raian and Bra is that while Raian gets the power wank he doesn't cast MORAL RETARDATION on the characters. You're supposed to think "wow, so cool!" as he smiles and beats up his designated villain fodder to make him look cool and ignore he's a piece of shit himself, that's the extent of it. He doesn't singlehandedly tank the story and the cast like Bra did, all he does is get too many author handjobs.

I really wish Toriyama had made an adult or teenager design for Beelzebub before dying.

>>530067308
I remember seeing a post about Goku's first time taking off the weighted clothing and flying in those threads, written in a Sandro-like narration describing how Goku felt, that was fun.

>>530067664
>>530068102
>He doesn't singlehandedly tank the story and the cast like Bra did, all he does is get too many author handjobs.
I see. So unlike Bra the characters don't take his side when narratively they shouldn't?

>>530069247
>remember seeing a post about Goku's first time taking off the weighted clothing and flying in those threads,
Cool, that was me. Glad you liked it!

>>530069247
>So unlike Bra the characters don't take his side when narratively they shouldn't?
They more or less treat him like Android Saga Vegeta. The wank is almost purely from the author.

The overlap from Keng/a/n is crazy, I also remember the Goku talk.

>>530070690
Kengan Ashura is one super long Budokai Tenkaichi so it makes sense.
It's like the overlap with Baki, with Kengan being one super long Maximum Tournament.

The twitter comments are tearing them apart and they can't censor those: https://x.com/DBMultiverse/status/1935412634746011761

So huh... everyone saw this as symbolic when it aired but was it, really? I don't think it's up to scale but given how big Gomah was turning and how small and weak he originally was, could this guy have been actually titanic in size with the third eye?

>>530072040
Given that Gomah was still powering up and probably didn't even master the third eye, it would make sense that Abura, who had actually mastered it, could just reshape the demon world at will.

Okay, hear me out: A Subnautica-like happening in the second demon world's sea.

https://x.com/Sekai_DB/status/1941539628332482599
From what I can understand there's not much info only
>Toyo created Granolah and Tori approved it right away so it's his favourite
>he's proud of Black Freeza again
>he was close to Toriyama but felt like "another fan" when he learned of his death
>thinks DB should keep going and considers it the number 1 manga in the world
But if someone with better spanish/french can translate something more interesting go ahead

You now remember that Salagir declared that the Ryuken / Dragon Fist was 'too cool for Goku' and thus wasn't his move anymore but Vegito's.

>>530073101
that man would remove the kamehameha from goku if he could

>>530073336
>and thus wasn't his move anymore but Vegito's.
And Wrath of the Dragon is DBM canon, which means someone else killed Hirudegarn, probably Vegeta.

>>530072981
I'm french and no, you got it right. He also said he started DB with the Goku vs Vegeta fight, that he's not the only one working on DB and that he hopes he can improve his abilities in drawing, humor and storytelling.

>>530073819
>And Wrath of the Dragon is DBM canon, which means someone else killed Hirudegarn,
Fuck, I never noticed but they DO avoid mentioning how Hirudegarn was defeated a lot despite clearly treating the movie as canon.
Goku doesn't even go 'I remember when I fought / beat him'.
>>530073336
I think he'd remove Goku entirely if he could get away with it.
He's probably jealous of Kakumei's idea of having Goku be kidnapped to remove him from the plot. That or he thinks that makes Goku too important.

DBM is 100% gonna end on Vegeta or Gast beating XXI.

>>530073101
There's no fucking way

>>530074718
I wish I was joking, he really fucking said that. Does anyone have the screenshot?

>>530060605
>>530062216
BURN TO THE GROUND
BURN BURN BURN
AAAAH
BURN TO THE-BURN TO THEBURNTOTHEBURNBURNAAAAAHHH

You know DBM has no soul because Goku never make a cute face in it. It shows they don't get DB.

Wait, Psychoku is a rapist in DBM? What?

>>530076297
and a pedophile

>>530076297
According to Salagir if Goku didn't forget he was a saiyan he would be an immortal psycho who rapes little girls before killing them

>>530076365
Nah, it has to be a misunderstanding or a meme. The DBM guys didn't literally make a rapist pedophile immortal version of Goku. Hell no.

>>530076483
And people just read that and didn't kill him? And kept reading his toilet paper? Sandro has nothing on that level of hackery.

you know talking of something regarding multiverse, how come Raditz is percieved as a failure when he is way stronger than goku at the same point in time, multiverse makes fun of raditz in particular calling him weak all the time but in theory it doesnt make sense in that fanon since both bardock and hanasia are broken pieces of shit compared to their peers baring mutants like vegeta

>>530076858
DBM worship Bardock but treat Goku and Raditz like shit. And yet somehow it still treats Raditz better than Goku.

>>530076525
Rapist

>>530076483
>>530073819
>>530073101
Since Toyotaro is in france can we send this to him? He will probably murder Salagir on the spot

>>530077214
>Edgy version of the Ranfan fight
I hate this so much.

>>530077214
man i remember when we got to see Goku beat the shit out of the worst FF girl

>>530076525
Pedophile

>>530077297
Now I'm imagining a drunk Toyotaro with a katana in front of Salagir's apartment, screaming at him to come down and die like a man.

>>530077214
>>530077435
And schizo too don't forget

This reads like straight up character assassination, what the fuck, I'm actually getting a bit angry at this.

>>530076858
Bardock is a weakling who became strong, so shitting on Raditz in particular is retarded too.

>>530077582
>>530077521
Reminder Vegetto is a genuine schizo in here too, probably Goku's fault given how Salagir writes him

>>530077582
I'm honestly kinda speechless. Especially since I was originally pretty onboard with Schizoku and had liked his special, where you see his struggle between his friendship with Krillin and his saiyan genocide brainwashing.
But the whole pervert rapist pedophile thing? What? How does that even make sense? NAPPA was the rapist of the group. Schizoku is really just a barely disguised Nappa.

>>530077297
>>530077510
>Toyotaro reads multiverse
>goes from chigyu to yakuza due to pure rage alone from the insult to his mentor
>beats the living fuck out of salagir
>Manga also gets better as a result

>>530077582
dont forget that kakarot being immortal also means he gets looney tooned constantly

>>530078002
>Vegetto's worst traits are actually from Goku
>Vegetto is a jobber because of Goku
I hate it...

>>530078002
>Reminder Vegetto is a genuine schizo in here too,
Really? What make him a schizo?

Justice for my pal, Goku!

>>530078002
nah thats acording to Salagir's kid perception of morality, acording to him Vegitto is schizo due to Vegeta being eeeeeeeeeeeeevil as fuck, he doesn't become good until he says the number 1 speech, before that he is worse than freezer by his own words

>>530078054
>>goes from chigyu to yakuza due to pure rage alone from the insult to his mentor
>>beats the living fuck out of salagir
Never underestimate nerd rage.
>>530078249
And yet Super Saiyan Vegeta is literally less evil than Schizoku.

>>530071560
https://x.com/KAD_ProductionZ/status/1941350092998574394?
They got ratio'd lmao

>>530074718
>>530075041
I was there when he said that. It can probably be found around pages 220 when Vegeto uses that move. I'll look for it lol

>>530078686
Even the dude who had Goku lose to Sonic shat on them.

>>530078860
>>530075041
>>530074718
:^)

>>530079076

>>530077335
Edgy?

>>530079076

>>530079076
>I'm no Broly fanboy
Fucking lies.
>It had no logic so I made it look like a random dragon instead of Shenron, the dragon the characters actually know.
What a retard.

>>530079263
Have a Gohan killing Schizoku for good measure :^)

>>530079263
That's like an edgy (and nonsensical) version of when Gohan punched through the Cell Jrs.

Look guys, DBZ had some gore, isn't it the exact same?

These guys are fucking OBSESSED with the idea of <stronger fighter> hitting <weaker fighter> meaning that <weaker fighter>'s head will fucking explode

remember that time salagir made an END of Z Gogeta job against the same broly Vegito beat probably cuts its more goku than vegeta

>>530079076
>Toyotaro in front of Salagir's door after trailing down the scent of unwashed french smegma and vegetafagging

By the way

>Goku and Vegeta will never be stronger than Gohan (limited potential, he's the strongest, he gets all the coolest fights - in truth the author's pet isn't Vegeta, it's Gohan)
>Goku will never be stronger than Freeza without Super Saiyan
>A Super Saiyan 1 can never defeat a Super Saiyan 2 (unless it's Bra)

BUT

>Videl gets to beat a Super Saiyan 2 level Cell Jr
BUT
>Krillin and Tenshinhan will never be stronger than a Super Saiyan 1, and they can barely get to that level with Kaioken

Funny how that works huh?

>>530079661
This is some Invincible type shit.
>>530079678
Wait, what? How? How does that even make sense?

>>530079678
>>530079936
I think it was actually Fat Buu absorbing everyone because they didn't let the heroes use Gogeta because the writers are retarded

>>530079678
Gogeta hasn't shown up in DBM yet. Ultra Buu (A Buu from Broly's universe who absorved everyone) is the one who jobbed against Broly.

Dragon Ball by the way

>>530079697
>and vegetafagging
Toyotaro Vegetafags too but, not to the same extent...

>>530079661
>>530079512
>>530079353
>>530079263
these fags would see the boys and think its good writing because its gory and so mature and cynical like me :), its why Salagir hates Goku or earnest good people characters, they think they are rick from Reddit and memey and think being nice is equal to being dumb, and why they wank cynical asshole characters so hard when dragon ball was such a hopeful cheery series even when shit seemed bleak, like when he had Gohan be edgy as fuck in the androids saga and talk how he wants to commit sudoku, and he should be more like vegeta

>>530079936
>>530080110
they did use gogeta but for the fourth rematch in the otherlife where they fight broly in a hail mary fight but they job harder despite winning because Broly is THAT guy and then the same broly jobs to a weaker Vegito compared to this Gogeta who trained in the other world for years with unlimited ssj3

>What? You're not happy with Gast replacing Piccolo? Well, he can gore Freezer (forma de OC) and Cooler :^)

Man, I think I'd rather read about the troublemakers than anything multiverse and they're just delinquents, I think, I don't remember what lore they have. Either them or Draclilic's sex adventures.

>>530080479
The Makkankosappo is literally the worst move to do that kind of 'Pinball ricochet' thing.

>>530079861
>Videl gets to beat a Super Saiyan 2 level Cell Jr
Reminder the same Videl didn't even try to kill Cold (Forma de quatro), who was "only" on 16's level.

>>530080450
That stuff is from another guy's fanfiction, still published on the same site, but not "canon".

I definitely agree with what you say, this is westoid cynicism sullying a simple and cheerful manga. Pic related.

>>530080345
Toyotaro hypes up Vegeta because he is Goku's rival, a good MC needs a good rival who elevates him to new heights, that's why vegetafags always cry when Vegeta gets a bunch of good paces and then he jobs while Goku doesn't (see spirit control, UE and the evolving UE against Gas).
Vegeta the rival gets to look cool so Goku the MC can surpass and outshine him. In DBM Vegeta is always the most genius, strategic, reliable and leader-like of the group and Goku is one of his sidekicks.

>>530080663
It's weird how Cell Jrs tend to be treated like fucking Saibamen when they're basically stronger than Vegeta in the Cell arc so they are stronger than semi-perfect Cell.
>>530080450
>these fags would see the boys and think its good writing because its gory and so mature and cynical like me :),
>they think they are rick from Reddit
It's also why all their 'strongest characters' are basically just glorified powergaming loophole abusing munchkins.

>>530079861
>>530080684
another thing, is despite Videl being broken i like that universe because its the most DB one, everyone doesn't take shit too seriously and is the more jokey of the bunch (which is why Salagir kicked them off of the plot in the most shitty way)

>>530080510
As you should. The troublemakers were fun.

HE ATE THE FUCKING SENZU BEAN FROM HELL

>>530080684
western jaded and cynism is why it's so fucked up there now, these people don't believe in anything good or hopeful then they elect leaders who are just evil bastards to further enforce their belief that everything is shit and there's no hope or dreams anywhere and people believing in that shit deserve to be reminded with the most harsh ways possible.

You know, I think that's really the issue with humanity now, can't save the world, can't save themselves, might as well try and make the shit pile as worse as you can make it as long as you have to live, there's no god or afterlife or reincarnation either so there's truly no point in anything other than creating suffering and pain. What a sad existence humanity has become

>>530081079
>All that prep and tricks when he just one shotted Goku anyway.
I hate this manga so much.

>>530080865
>It's also why all their 'strongest characters' are basically just glorified powergaming loophole abusing munchkins.
>Rick and Morty

Why did you bring up U4 Buu?

Legitimately one of the worst, if not THE worst character I've ever seen. Rick personified. Worse than Bra, actually.

>>530072981
You guys are reposting the personal interview of Toyo and not anything else from the press conference.

https://x.com/SofianLeGEEK/status/1941456124294676555

>>530081260
I swear to god this retarded midwit Salagir thinks he's so fucking smart discussing entry level physics like wave-particle duality and atoms.

Genuinely infuriating

>>530081260
Not just U4 Buu, XXI is the same. Majin Bra too.
>Those walls of text
It's really fitting you post that literally on the day Toyotaro said 'DB's strength is that you don't need entire pages of text to get what's going on'.
Salagir is legit making me reconsider my view of Toyotaro.

>All the God Tier are obliged to participate!
This is exhausting

>>530081079
>-Hey I know you are a villain so I'm here to briefly check on you, you piece of shit.
>+Do you want a black senzu bean for no particular reason?
>-HA! I'm immune to poisons, of course I want it.
DBM is a comedy manga it's just people didn't notice yet

>>530081260
u4 buu be like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wJILk7Kiy8

>>530081363
>he's so fucking smart discussing entry level physics like wave-particle duality and atoms.
Sakomoto Days legit did it better with the 'Tunnel Effect' moment.

>>530081487
I said before that the Granolah arc was the worst thing to ever come out of Dragon Ball but it's still better than the entirety of DBM

>>530079697

>Ah-Ha! Another victory for science!!

At that point, it was obvious I wasn't reading a Dragon Ball manga

Press Conference Q/A #1

>>530081260
>It's moot
Good job completely misunderstanding dragon ball while also killing your own premise.

>>530081521
>DBM is a comedy manga it's just people didn't notice yet
Finally someone else gets it.

>>530081695
>I said before that the Granolah arc was the worst thing to ever come out of Dragon Ball
Yup, I really was turned off by that arc's own powergaming and loophole abuse but holy shit, it's nothing next to DBM.
At least it was just a filler arc and all the loopholes and consequences from them were basically buried at the end.
Meanwhile all of DBM is like that.

>>530081325
>DBO
Fucking based

Press Conference Q/A #2

>>530082185
I fucking LOVE reading dozens of chapters retelling the exact events of Dragon Ball except <good guys> losing to <bad guy>! Especially when they last for 3 months!

>>530081521
>DBM is a comedy manga it's just people didn't notice yet
DBM is basically DB's own Omega.

>>530082293
>At least it was just a filler arc and all the loopholes and consequences from them were basically buried at the end.
Not really, the Bardock shitstain will always be there, as well as the Saiyans whitewashing and Goku being a retard and bad fighter at the ripe age of 40, needing to hear his daddy and mommy to learn his lesson like a little baby

and yet
he still had it better than with Salagir

Press Conference Q/A #3

>>530082061
>Listening to DB fans
Awful idea, they should do the exact opposite like Toriyama.

>>530082185
>Those teeth
What in the actual fuck?
>>530082615
That 'anecdote' is old as fuck, everyone already knows it.

>>530081916
Do we have a full list of Salagir's swerves?
>Cold has two extra transformations
>Bra had senzu hidden in her gloves that she ate offscreen
>Gast somehow healed from his head being vaporized by SS3 Vegeta
>Anything about Vegetto being an abusive father
>Universal travel technology can only work if someone from the same universe as the bird people uses them
>That future timeline special where Babidi stole Dabura's power to feed to Buu so Gohan can kill him
>Broly surviving a black hole with "basically infinite gravity"
>XXI vs Goku
Those are on the top of my head.

>>530081260
To be fair you need a really high IQ to understand U4 Buu

>>530082883
This guy made several chapters, btw

Press Conference Q/A #4
Getting more information
Brb

>>530081325
I love how they get it, they truly get it, Toriyama didn't give a flying fuck about canon consistency and props for not forgetting Dragonball online that game was so ass but the story potential was so good it spawned Heroes which lasted for 20 freaking years and xenoverse which is still out there.

My head canon is 21 was revived in full and they used the second wish to wish away her hunger and now she lives on that island with Tights researching stuff

FEEL BAD FOR HER SHE ONLY TRIED TO DESTROY THE EARTH TWICE
AND THEN KILLED HER BROTHER AND AN ENTIRE GALAXY

>>530083113
Imov is Uub's cousin btw

>>530082934
>Do we have a full list of Salagir's swerves?
Depends on what we define as a 'swerves'.

>>530082934
Our Buu wants to fuck our Bra.

>>530082329
Towabros, we won

>>530083535
Meant our Uub, sorry.

>>530082665
Listening to the fans doesn't mean doing everything they want. But you need to understand them to produce what they will like. This was also part of Torishima's editorial philosophy, keeping in touch with what kids think and acting as sorta bridge between them and the author.

>>530083008
man anyone remembers the batman edit of this special?

>>530083902
>>530082665
He let Vegeta live because of the fans after all

>>530084228
Which was a bad decision given the result.
>>530083535
>>530083650
Wait, what? Why would Uub care about Bra?

>>530084910
>Which was a bad decision given the result.
Not sure about that. I would have loved to see the Earthlings given more time to shine in Cell and Buu, but Vegeta did deliver some great moments and shaped these arcs, being only bad in Cell imo.

>Wait, what? Why would Uub care about Bra?
Everyone should care for Bra

>>530084910
Uub doesnt care of bra, hell he even gets a free brown tomboy waifu who obeys his orders from Buu and is stuck with her in an island in a dilated timebubble, he will return with 12 kids and old

>>530085153
He does, but that might be part of the (canon) novel

Same novel that had Vegeto teleport into Gohan's bedroom when he was fucking Videl and losing his virginity, I shit you not

They also made novels to describe in long and excruciating detail the androids killing everyone. Like, 50 chapters long long

>>530084910
>Which was a bad decision given the result.
Only after the manga due to the obsession the franchise and fans developed with the character. He should have been slowly shifted into the background like other rivals, but everything after Z was nostalgia first and foremost.

>>530083424
Any time he does something to keep the story unpredictable just for the sake of being unpredictable, either by breaking internal logic, making no sense in how it happened, or awkward retcons.

>>530082934
Old's kai "VISION" that he clowned on kakarot and radditz

Everyone talks about Bra, Buu, Vegeto and such but everyone forgets this little piece of shit whose entire role in the story was to mog Bulma and treat her like a little kid because he's so much smarter and more mature than she is.

>>530085730
... what the fuck am I seeing

>>530085535
The entire Elder Kaioshin / Raditz plot really.
>>530085730
This is so cringe.

>>530086073
>>530086117
He fucking spanked her
He's like canonically way smarter than the woman who built a fucking time machine

I no longer care about dbm

>>530086374
This entire page isn't meant for storytelling, it's meant for the writers to talk about how smart they are for knowing advanced concepts such as "fact checking" and "both sides perspective" no matter how retarded it is in the context of that story

>>530086374
>Muh fact checking, I need to 5000 trillion years to figure out the evil cyborgs are evil
This sounds and look like a bad porn somehow.
>>530086484
It's kinda funny how useless 'fact checking' is when the literal mind reader already confirmed you're being a faggot. As if your drones are any less lazy.

Talking about swerves......

There you go. Possibly the most infuriating page of DBM. EVERYTHING is wrong here.

>>530086484
If only the writers were smart enough to figure out outdoing Sandro's subversions is not good writing.

>>530086978
It's pretty funny to see /dbg/ discover its own Omega in real time.
>>530086827
My head hurts just looking at it.

I've seen DBM simps mention 'Goku harem' fanmangas to defend DBM's retarded decision so I have a question: Where are all those fanmangas where Goku get a harem? I've legit never seen a single one yet they insist there's a lot of them.

>>530087675
most of those are Latam videos of what if goku landed in the Highschool dxd universe with 200 views or so

>>530087789
So there's no fanmanga and they're full of shit?

>>530087492
I was aware of Omega for a like a year, and been aware of DBM for years now. Somehow I never realized DBM is DB's Kengan Omega until it was pointed out here, and it's so obvious...

>>530087675
There are poorly done fan arts of Goku as a GoD, usually with a pregnant Vados.

As far as fanmanga goes, Gohan is more likely to get a harem, but even then Golden Age is the only one I can think of.

>>530087492
>My head hurts just looking at it.
It's even worse with context. Really fucking retarded.

>>530088090
They're full of shit, they also pretend they pull the same numbers as they used to even though it's obvious only 200~ people still actually give a shit about that fanmanga

>>530088090
yes, they only heard the latam memes, and parrot it without knowing shit, the only real fanmanga with harem is Golden age where Gohan fucks EVERY girl and he even goes to multiverse verse and shits all over it fixing it in like 2 pages and leaves while fucking evil bra

>>530088120
That's a shame because a fanmanga with a Goku harem sounds a lot more fun than DBM.

Hon hon hon I shuld draw le bra kissing le black man just like in my cuntrie! Then her cuck brothair takes le peecture and jerks off to it like me hon hon i will now stroke my oui oui *Eats baguette like a disgusting fat slob while smoking 5 cigarettes before getting blown up by an Algerian French citizen*

>>530088120
>Somehow I never realized DBM is DB's Kengan Omega until it was pointed out here, and it's so obvious...
To be fair, I don't think anyone else had made the connection before today.
Majin Bra was DBM's Chapter 50 while this is DBM's KvP, specifically Eddie's death.
>>530088295
Say what you will about TWF but at least his autism is genuine instead of pseudo-intellectualism. That and his Videl / Goku stuff is neat.

>>530088638
This looks like badly photoshopped porn, WTF?

>>530089389
>Say what you will about TWF but at least his autism is genuine instead of pseudo-intellectualism
Kek no. He legitimately thinks he's better than stuff like Super too. He clowns on Star Wars sequels and shit.

>>530089618
>He clowns on Star Wars sequels and shit.
Based, those movies were awful.
>He legitimately thinks he's better than stuff like Super too.
Yeah, that's the autism part.
>>530088638
This doesn't even make sense.

>>530089389
>That and his Videl / Goku stuff is neat.
i like it too, funny enough he keeps goku in character while cucking gohan, which its funny for a huge gohan fag to make so much ntr of him and videl on the side with goku

>>530089861
>i like it too, funny enough he keeps goku in character while cucking gohan,
Which is kinda impressive in a way.
> which its funny for a huge gohan fag to make so much ntr of him and videl on the side with goku
He probably figures it's just fair with how much he has Gohan and Chichi cuck Videl and Goku.

>>530088638
>Deleted
No fun allowed.

>>530090052
well to be fair the girls in his verse are all huge sluts for anyone if you read all his stuff, they see A cock and they go limp and wet, it can be gohan's, goku's the jock gohan's friend, a futanari or the kids goten and trunks it doesn't matter

>>530090214
Damn Salagir has jannies here too

>>530090227
>well to be fair the girls in his verse are all huge sluts for anyone if you read all his stuff,
Really? I just checked the Videl x Goku ones and a few of his Gohan one shots. Any exemples?
>the jock gohan's friend
To be fair that one was a dream IIRC.
>the kids goten and trunks it doesn't matter
Really? I didn't know he made Goten or Trunks ones

>>530090372
Blue Boards really go overboard with that shit, you couldn't even see the tits.

I will be TWF but for Goten. Goten will cuck everyone.

>>530090501
there is one where trunks and goten go into the time chamber with videl and a few ones where they are teens and fuck videl, you can check it in his kemono
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/9906814?

>>530090704
Do it.

>>530090501
>Really? I didn't know he made Goten or Trunks ones
He has lots of Goten x Videl for some reason.
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/9906814/post/75521466
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/9906814/post/67005469
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/9906814/post/64125415
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/9906814/post/55961316
>>530090857
I was half joking but I am learning to draw and I do want to make Dragon Ball comics in the future.

>>530088638
i would fuck the shit out of that mary sue bra though, i have to admit

>>530088221
DBM for whatever reason really believes this "The dead should not interfere", and made Baba act out of character for that to happen... She probably realized she was retarded when the androids killed her.

>>530088320
>That's a shame because a fanmanga with a Goku harem sounds a lot more fun than DBM.
That's a low bar...

>>530089389
>Majin Bra was DBM's Chapter 50 while this is DBM's KvP, specifically Eddie's death.
Chapter 50 is when Omega went from "Okay Ashura sequel" to what Omega is known for, right?

>>530090671
I've seen OP pics more explicit than that kept around too.

>>530091131
If this thread is any hint, you can use DBM as an anti-example.

(Also pic related logic is more or less why I thought Goku would get an actual fight).

>>530090372
It's the racist part, nobody cares about shitting on DBM overall, not even Salagir's own jannies lmao

>>530092245
>Racism against French "people" is banned now

>>530092020
bra is sexy and her personality is perfect for correction, the kamen rider oranged hair girl is hotter tho

>>530092020
I want to ryona her hard. Beat her to a bloody fucking pulp before raping her. Her Saiyaness will cause her to deeply enjoy this and let it happen.

>>530092120
>Chapter 50 is when Omega went from "Okay Ashura sequel" to what Omega is known for, right?
More like it's when it started its transition toward what it is now. It's only with KvP with Eddie's death that it really became what it's now known as.
Gilbert's death was the killing blow.

>>530092431

Be honest with me /dbg/, have you ever made your own Dragon Ball fancomics before?

>>530091131
It's a shame he hasn't made any Videl x Goku in a long time.
>I was half joking but I am learning to draw and I do want to make Dragon Ball comics in the future.
Good luck, you should do it. It can't be worse than DBM.
>>530092120
>That's a low bar...
True but still.

>>530092120
>If this thread is any hint, you can use DBM as an anti-example.
I think I am a little less autistic than Salagir and TWF. I will run my ideas through editors and shit to make sure they aren't hot garbage.
It's all a delicate balance and I will have to find my own way.

>>530092020
>>530092770
>>530092924
TheWriteFiction...

>>530093203
No but I made two OCs I had someone I knew on social media draw.
I can't draw so it's beyond me.

>>530093203
Not yet.

>>530093203
does using chatbots count?

>>530093430
TWF is a pussy. Gohan didn't even fuck her. She wasn't bloody. Bra will have broken bones and be bleeding out of the nose as she gets raped.

>>530093340
/dbg/ is the only quality control you need

>>530093807
>Submit drafts to /dbg/
>The entire thread devolves into the most braindead shitflinging with both sides being retards

>>530093340
Make sure to include a harem for Goku that include Videl and you're golden.

do women play dragon ball games?

>>530093807
>>530093979
/dbg/ should make its own DB fangame or fanmanga. It'd be either the best thing ever or such a disaster, we get hunted down in real life like Salagir is gonna be when Toyotaro sees DBM.
>>530094150
Probably. Why?

i just want one doujin where goku trains caulifla and kale is all bitchy about the fact and she offers herself to train aswell to split his attention away from her only for Goku's good nature and honesty to steal Kale's heart and have them fuck as she tricks him into "adult training"

>>530094103
I don't plan on changing anything from the original 519 chapters of the original manga.
If I did I would make Suno one of Goku's wives along with Chichi.

>>530094414
One like that doesn't exist already? Such an obvious idea.

>>530094725
no, we have one of Caulifla going all vanilla on goku but not one of Kale

>>530094453
>If I did I would make Suno one of Goku's wives along with Chichi.
Based
>>530094414
That's honestly genius. I can't believe there's nothing like that yet. DB's doujin community is either sleeping or dead as fuck.

>>530094414
Cabba is the curer of U6.

Even Toyotaro realized he fucked up with Goten.

>>530094414
Great idea, I need this now.

>>530093340
Writing is tricky, even trying to avoid Salagir's retardation has its own issues if you go too far. Salagir is edgy who thinks he's being smart by subverting DB's style, but playing things too straight makes them bland.

You're not Toriyama, no one is, and DB is a dead simple world but also harder to write about than it looks. So I'd say that you should try to understand DB enough, while having your own take on it.

>>530094894
>DB's doujin community is either sleeping or dead as fuck.
DB's doujin community is really lacking overall...

>>530094894
For as popular as Dragon Ball is there are very few doujins/comics. I wonder if interest will be gone in a few years.

>>530094414
kale going all dere on goku isn't done enough, honestly

>>530095768
It's not done at all.

>>530095876
exactly, not enough

Caulifla and Kale x Goku is shit. No I will not explain further.

You shouldn't try to make "Dragon Ball comics". Dragon Ball is all about raw, wild artistic creativity. Start by drawing cool shit, that's what Dragon ball is

>>530094414
>only for Goku's good nature and honesty to steal Kale's heart and have them fuck as she tricks him into "adult training"
I'm reminded of a fan art of Goku patting Videl's crotch, she gets wet from it and asks Goku to do it again and he refuses and wipes his hand from the gross liquid, and Videl tries to excuse it as sweat, to which Goku says "Videeep, I'm married, I know what this is".

Anyone has it? Goku being aware of something as basic as a woman being wet was refreshing...

>>530095397
Yeah, somehow Naruto has way more doujins somehow

>>530093203
When I was in first grade I convinced a friend to make a DB x Sonic crossover comic with SS3 little Goku and Super Sonic on the cover

>>530095379
I think anyone who's serious about creating for DB should actually have familiarity with wuxia canon at least. I mean, to incorporate new ideas into the world, you should have some basic undertanding on what inspired it in the first place beyond "there were some kung-fu movies and that novel about a monkey or something" not that I know it myself, but I'm not a creator

>>530096629
Some links? I have 0 idea what a wuxia is.

>>530096285
Yeah. There were many Dragon Ball comics released after '90s. Sometimes with a bit confusing names like "One Piece" or "Naruto".

>>530096285
That's what leads you to stupid shit like Mexican fancomics and dumb shit like Jiji's AF. Dragon Ball has a lot of hidden complexity. Toriyama was a master of having plot threads lead to something more.

>>530096859
As good a starting point as any
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31707

>>530096501
to be fair naruto has Sahara wataru who loves doing Naruto x Sakura stuff nonstop, we have Yamamoto who wont stop anytime soon also doesnt help that kishimoto made Hinata the easiest NTR bait in existence

>>530097735
>also doesnt help that kishimoto made Hinata the easiest NTR bait in existence
Explain to a non Naruto fan

>>530096483
I've never seen it but it sounds hilarious.

>>530094150
Back in middle school I had a black female friend that played bt3 with me and wanted to be Fasha, she also had a huge crush on Inuyasha

>>530097035
Toriyama's writing had two basic traits
>not planning too much ahead
>not dwelling too much on the past
It was very much "in the present". But that's not the same as doing stuff at random.

>>530096859
Just read a bunch of martial art chinese novels.

>>530097035
Wrong. AF is artistically bankrupt. What I mean is that you should look at Toriyama's bikes and think "wow this is really cool and intricate" and start developing a passion for drawing really cool and neat stuff and designs. And make your own manga. And then one day maybe you can draw "Dragon Ball" specifically but you don't even have to.

>>530097969
Naruto overworks so he's often not at home, so there are many jokes about Hinata being lonely because of that, so there are many doujins about either one cheating.

>>530097969
That guy has brain fried by porn, there's literally nothing NTR-like here. The girl has an extreme case of oneities compared to MC who's always casual with her. Unless that guy means it in "muh subversion" and by bait he means it would make absolutely no sense which invites the idea.

>>530097969
NTA but I'd say it's because Hinata is always all alone at home while Naruto is at work all the time to the point he even sent a clone at his kid's birthday instead of coming.
>>530097735
I don't think it's just NTR, there's a lot of Naruto x Hinata, Sakura or Tsunade. Even some with Temari and Ino.

>>530096501
Goku doesn't have any romantic inclinations while Naruto openly thinks the girls are hot.

>>530098184
I think what Toriyama planned were basic plot points. Cooler's Revenge has Dende as Earth's guardian before it happened on the manga, and it happens before Goku and Gohan went to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

>>530097969
what >>530098460 said is a factor but the main thing is the DEEPEST LORE about a guy calling himself raikageart commissioning a shitton of raikage/hinata over his permanent residence in the HoAD until he eventually figured out how to draw himself so he could shit out even more
the naruto fanbase is a strange one

>>530098658
>while Naruto openly thinks the girls are hot.
Naruto, like Gohan, is also often used as a self insert, their actual personalities be dammed, combine that with Naruto having a bunch of hot chicks...

>>530098902
What I find particularly weird about that is that it caused this view of Raikage fucking Tsunade for blacked porn, but, Raikage doesn't give a shit about her, while Bee explicitly has a fetish for older women with big breasts, so using him would make more sense...

>>530098713
Vegito was a last second change because Gogeta ended up showing up in Fusion Reborn before Toriyama could put him in the manga.

>>530097969
okay sit down because its a doozy
>Hinata as a child gets stolen by ninja village of black guys to be breed (im not kidding) but gets rescued before she is fully taking away from the village
>gets stolen by a moon man called Toneri (initial anagram of NTR)
>Naruto overworks constantly despite being ninja jesus and never is home which is hella stupid cuz Naruto should be able to basically keep the whole village works by himself
>Naruto basically kneels to the black dude from the nigger village becuase he wants them to spare his gay lover
>Naruto was READY to leave his wife AND children to travel the world with Sasuke but Sasuke of all people had to remind him he has a family to take care of
>brings an adoptive son who is a taller and more fit than boruto to his home
>For his adoptive son he stops his hokage work and leaves clones to handle his work which he wouldnt do for his real family
>Hinata currently is with Naruto in a dimension only his adoptive son can enter where time doesnt flow and she is permanently unconsious
i am missing a few points but you can see how many plots you can take with just these shit, doesn't help Hinata is meek as shit which is the poster girl personality for ntr doujins

>>530099101
I can only wonder what Toriyama would do. Would a failed fusion happen first? And if so would it be like Janemba where Buu beats him up for a bit, the fusion ends, Goku and Vegeta hide and do the fusion correctly? Or would Vegeta somehow know how to do the fusion dance?

>>530099094
>Naruto, like Gohan, is also often used as a self insert, their actual personalities be dammed,
That too, though its odd to me nowadays given that the FighterZ protag was literally (You) and he mind melded with everyone important, you cannot make a better self insert than that.

>>530099202
Naruto would fuck Kushina to cuck his own father if it wasn't because that would make himself the bull

>>530099202
>>Naruto overworks constantly despite being ninja jesus and never is home which is hella stupid cuz Naruto should be able to basically keep the whole village works by himself
Don't forget that no other Hokage was shown to be constantly swamped by unending non-descript paperwork either.

>>530099094
that's what i always thought was the most hilarious part of the whole thing, bee was right fucking there but instead the dude obsessed over the fucking raikage doing all the dicking, which i can only presume spawned from that ONE fucking scene with naruto begging to him over something completely unrelated, because otherwise there's zero fucking reason to go for ayy over bee outside of him being 'the more known black guy'

>>530099202
>Naruto overworks constantly despite being ninja jesus and never is home which is hella stupid cuz Naruto should be able to basically keep the whole village works by himself
i will never understand the logic behind this one because he has fucking clones that can do everything for him
the best they could come up with "it's too important for me to leave it to a clone!" but like, the differences between him and a clone have nothing to do with mentality so how the fuck is that even relevant?
it clearly was just something they threw in to add drama to the boruto movie then they had to deal with it afterwards

>>530099202
>brings an adoptive son who is a taller and more fit than boruto to his home
Don't forget said adoptive son used some bullshit wannabe Shenron to make everyone think he's Naruto's real son while the actual son was some random who got kicked out of the village.

>>530098414
I think I can understand that. I do have genuine passion for drawing in general, not just Dragon Ball. DB is my favourite franchise so I do that the most often.

>>530099592
To be fair Naruto is canonically a dumbass so it makes sense he needs to put extra effort, he was elected not because he's the best ninja overall but because he's strong and people liked how he saved them, Shikamaru is the real Hokage to the point that when Naruto's adoptive son gets him BETRAYED AND TRAPPED Shika is the one who replaces him

>>530099386
Oh yeah, there was that... A lot of awkward scenes with the characters staring at the screen and talking about how awesome (you) are.

Even before that we still had Xenoverse CaC's who's the strongest no matter what race, and infinite timelines so it's very easy to excuse a harem...

>>530099592
Yeah, that was more of a fanfic thing, but the only time we've seen a lot of paperwork was not long after Tsunade became hokage, and that made sense since there were no hokages for a few weeks. Afterwards there were no piles of paper until Naruto.

>>530099602
>because otherwise there's zero fucking reason to go for ayy over bee outside of him being 'the more known black guy'
Raikage being the more known one is probably the reason. Plus he's a aggressive black man, while Bee is more of a goofy character, so using Raikage is more "fitting" since NTR men are assholes.

>>530099901
>i will never understand the logic behind this one because he has fucking clones that can do everything for him
It's even dumber because he does just that later on too.

>>530099202
don't forget the Hinata x Naruto is based on NTR by default since Naruto and Sasuke are based on Kishimoto and His brother and Sakura and Hinata on Kishimoto's wife and his brother's wife, Kishimoto's wife even got pissed as fuck when he made naruto marry hinata due to that

>>530100102
>Raikage being the more known one is probably the reason.
How is the Raikage more known? Bee was the one who was important in the manga. He only became more known after all the NTR

>>530100462
WHAT?

>>530099386
>>530100102
It's because people are too lazy to come up with their own designs.
>>530100462
...Is that why Sasuke took more and more importance in the story? Because Kishimoto started self inserting as him instead of Naruto?

>>530099202
How does Kawaki being more fit than Boruto plays a part in this? Aren't they drawn the same

>>530100010
Aim to be the next Fenyo. Good luck though be's really good

So what I'm getting is if Goku was in Naruto, he'd cuck both Naruto and Sasuke

>>530100102
>A lot of awkward scenes with the characters staring at the screen and talking about how awesome (you) are.
(You) are awesome anon! You can do anything you set your mind to!

Goku is, surprisingly, a Chad

>>530100781
the naruto is kishimoto and sasuke is based on his twin brother you probably already knew
>long story short
>be kishi
>like big titty yamato nadeshiko girl during school
>have handsome twin (by kishi's own words) who dates all girls he wants
>too beta to talk with yamato nadeshiko
>turns out she liked you
>woops too late she is now engaged with your bro
>you end up marrying your wife (who also was your bro's ex)
>shit on your creation that is based on your wife (sakura) and give her the most absolute shittiest life you can
>get asked why Hinata and Sakura never changed their loved ones
>you say in "they would be sluts if they changed their loved ones" (clearly still seething his bro's wife didnt stay loyal in her love for him)"
>wife thought you were going to make naruto marry sakura
>Make him marry Hinata
>"hahaha dear hinata is totally based on you" she doesnt buy it
>tells this story in an interview
>describes his wife to interviewer
>"like sakura" says the interviewer going by the personality he describes
>kishi admits hinata was never based on his wife
>oda (one piece mangaka) who went to the wedding of kishi even admits kishi's wife is a lot like sakura

>>530101663
>have handsome twin (by kishi's own words) who dates all girls he wants
Kishimoto won in the end because his brother's manga was dogshit and got canceled.

>>530102027
i mean kinda but his brother only became a mangaka out of admiration for his brother, in his eyes kishi is the coolest guy while in kishi's eyes his brother is scum

>>530102164
>while in kishi's eyes his brother is scum
Given how hard he deepthroat Sasuke who he based on his brother, I doubt it.

>>530101663
jesus christ

>>530102027
666 Satan > Naruto

>>530102296
good point, to be fair the whole thing is super complicated

>>530102397
Twins are always complicated.

Most of the thread is an impotent samefag seething over dbm.

>>530102808
Salagir... we genuinely hate you.

>>530102808
Still mad you got ratio'd on twitter?

Seeing /dbg/ turn into Keng/a/n over DBM was funny.

>>530101663
Reminds me Kishimoto said he doesn't like Sakura since she's not feminine at all... And that his favorite is Hinata since she's very feminine. Is his wife aware of this?

Yuzu Stage panel with Nakatsuru and Torishima
https://x.com/vondbz2/status/1941109104099069985
When the fuck is Venixys is going to compile all the AnimeExpo stuff? Sheesh

>>530103327
"We" have "arrived".

for the kengan bros, what did you guys think of the baki x kengan animation netflix did

>>530104196
We're all Schizoku?

>>530104387
Raian should have lost. I'm happy Saw Paing got a win. Having Kuroki be portrayed as equel to Yujiro was funny, especially with how it made Yujiro fags seethe.

It's funny a french hack gets all the attention and not the green fag calling himself a paragon

>>530104427

>all the dragon ball money goes to pay for more marketing & shilling paid promotion to one piece
DB bros.....

>>530105105
Lord Perfection The Paragon is funny because he's just baiting a bunch of hoodweebs on twitter and getting views from it, we'd be the retards if we seethed at him.
Salagir really think he's making a good fanmanga.

i want more chronoa

>>530104387
I wish DB got crossovers like that.

>>530105693
>I wish DB got crossovers like that.
We did. It wasn't that good and was clearly made to try and push Toriko as a big name.

>Paragon

>>530106294
>We did
Not really, Baki X Kengan fight focused meanwhile Dream Collab didn't really have a focus beyond showing you all the characters on screen at the same time.
It would have been way better if we had seen an actually serious fight between Toriko and Goku where they actually interact in interesting way and show their full kit to each others instead of the goofy battle royal.
Not seeing Zebra vs Vegeta was lame too.
One Piece was clearly the odd one out of the crossover in term of battle and ability too.
>was clearly made to try and push Toriko as a big name.
Which was too bad really, Toriko was decently big on its own but they pushed it super hard to become a new One Piece and axed it when it failed, despite still having pretty decent potential and some stuff to tell.

>>530104427
>>530105382

>doxxing someone because they're clearly trolling and ticked you off
grim

>>530106762
In his defense, we all want to do it to Pan.
>>530106795
Kiwis are always just as autistic as the lolcow they're obsessed with.

>>530106762
i want to assume he was thinking of something else, but at the same time he IS french...

>>530107152
It's kinda unclear because in context, it would make sense he just murdered them but how he says it and Pan's reaction seem to indicate otherwise.

I've been reading Tuffle Quest on and off, and now I'm wondering if it at some point took the piss at it, or at least referenced how weird some of the things there are... I was told that Chronoa there did indirectly reference Black and Xicor, plus a Goku from, "A Hero's journey" I think? Another Goku with an energy form (That reminded me of Heatblast) was in it when Towa went after him.

>>530107152
>>530107281
Especially with Vegeta saying he was a pervert as he stopped him from beating a woman to death after getting horny.
>>530107293
>plus a Goku from, "A Hero's journey" I think?
What's that?

>>530107293
>Took the piss at it
Took the piss at DBM*

>>530094286
I'm making a DB game on RPG Maker

So it's DBS's 10th anniversary and we got nothing? Except Goku getting one shotted in DBM?
Not even from Toei or the video games?

>>530107152
Schizoku's previous fight established he's a a pervert, this seems to be in line with him.

It could also be that he's not talking about rape, but torture, but specifying "human girls" like this, after being established as a pervert, it probably meant rape.

I hear Salagir backtracked on this and now claims Schizoku was lying to get under her skin.

>>530107653
>I'm making a DB game on RPG Maker
That's awesome. What is it about and you got any sneak peaks?
>>530107714
>now claims Schizoku was lying to get under her skin.
Something he never did at any other point in all of DBM?

>>530107465
A Goku with an energy form, but the name was way off, it's a Goku from "Legend: A Dragon Ball Tale"

>There's no canon
There's no reason to care or watch any of it then since none of it matter or make sense together and will essentially just be toilet paper for whatever random idea some intern makes next.
What a retarded thing for them to say.

>>530108103
Ah okay.
It's funny that the Goku is all that's known from that youtube video when the dude who made it was a massive Vegeta fag and wanted to make him more important, which is why it ends on Broly starting to scream Vegeta's name instead of Goku's and yet nobody gave a shit about his Vegeta.

>>530106673
>Carib
Ew

>>530107293
>>530107570
I do think the QM said at one point that there'd be no idiot birds showing up in that Quest.

>>530108157
It's okay, anon, Sega, Gamefreak and Nintendo say stupid shit like this all the time,too and so has Oda who stupidly say at one point all the one piece movies did happen in series even if they make no sense and that One Piece is a massive world, it's just PR to keep lorefags buying hit thinking it matters. I honestly wonder why the hell they're even bothering with this considering the lawsuit has effectively paralyzed the franchise from everything but prolonging the video games they have now

>>530110683
>so has Oda who stupidly say at one point all the one piece movies did happen in series even if they make no sense
Literally how? Some of the movies directly contradict the manga.
>It's okay, anon, Sega, Gamefreak and Nintendo say stupid shit like this all the time,too
I know but it's so annoying. It's such an obvious corporate push for a dumb lazy view of a how a story and franchise works. I don't want DB to turn into capeshit where nothing make sense or fit together because 'lul, no canon!'.
Also them speaking for Toriyama as if he didn't specifically and consistently dismiss everything he didn't make himself whenever he made a new main story.

>>530108157
It's been this way the entire time, you just didn't realize it

>>530108157
I think it's more from their side of things, but most creators completely underestimate the power of nerds. Especially in the west. DB has become the new SW for canon debates. The only difference is Tori never really explained much and it was usually whatever took his fancy at the time. Unlike Lucas, who eventually stepped in and said 'Nah, your all wrong. It's like this'.

If Chronoa had a child with a Saiyan what powers would the kid have?

>>530112082
No, there very much was a canon, at no point during the original manga did Goku go 'Remember Turles? You know, the guy we fought during a time where it would make 0 sense for any of us to be together and in fighting shape?'.
Or Goku suddenly turned into a trans black non-binary demi-sexual faggot because there's no canon so who cares what he was last chapter?

>Or Goku suddenly turned into a trans black non-binary demi-sexual faggot because there's no canon so who cares what he was last chapter?

May god, you americans suck, I can't wait til you aren't the world's problem anymore with how stupid you all are.

>>530112219
>The only difference is Tori never really explained much
Cause there's nothing to explain, it's literally just his manga and then Super and now you got Daima added between the two.

>>530112802
I'm not american, retard.

>AMERICANSAMERICANSAMERICANSAMERICANSAMERICANSAMERICANSAMERICANSAMERICANS
Rent free in the poor europoor mind.

>>530111357
>I don't want DB to turn into capeshit where nothing make sense or fit together because 'lul, no canon!'.
I have bad news for you.

>>530112826
Exactly. It's just whatever to him, and this makes nerds lose their shit.

Cute meme.

I want a slice of life spin off that's literally just Gomah and Degesus living through their 99 year sentence.

What is it about writing a fanfic that turns you into a Vegetafag

>people now realizing japs don't really give much of a shit about canon, just really lose continuity.
We're still arguing over the new DK game chronologically fits to the first dk game.
One of the best Metal Gear games is just a VR simulation according to Kojima's headcanon.
The upcoming Zelda musou "canon prequel" is part of a separate timeline that ignores the established Zelda timeline itself.
Capcom fucked up the X timeline with X6 and everyone went with whatever going on.

>>530113707
I don't read DB fanfics, do they do that too?

>>530113468
I hope Kakarot expands on Degesu's role, a fucking shame they brought up Shin's recluse brother but did little with him.

>>530113809
>Don't care about canon
>Care about continuity
Those two points contradict each others.

>>530113809
Canon is literally just continuity over multiple works.

>>530114026
You didn't read what they said at all, did you? Canon is an established line of events. Continuity can just be does everything look and feel the same.

>>530114618
>can just be does
I had a stroke reading that.

>>530114807
Yeah, sorry, I should have put a comma there.

>>530114618
>Continuity can just be does everything look and feel the same.
That's not what the word means at all.

>>530114026
See: SpongeBob
There's no clear canon but it has continuity in a loose fashion.
There's 3 Neptunes but they can still pop into the show at any time.

>>530115264
That's an episodic format, it has nothing to do with continuity or canon.

>>530115206
We're talking in a literature sense though, where continuity can simply be an aesthetic.

>>530101553
You know what? You're right. I'm gonna learn how to draw and write fanfics!

>>530115647
Pretty sure the term is aesthetic integrity, not continuity.

>>530115440
>That's an episodic format
You poor soul.

>>530113809
>One of the best Metal Gear games is just a VR simulation according to Kojima's headcanon
?

>>530116178
Ghost Babel
Wasn't written by Kojima so it's just a "cool side story"

>>530115747
Now you're getting it! Don't let anything stop you! If you start to question yourself just think "What would Goku (mid) do?"

>fagku dies in fan comic
>third world latinks internet has maulding seethe session en masse

Now you now what it was like for Toriyama when he had Cell kill Goku and the literal death threats from retarded manchildren Gokutrannies started.

>>530118351
>Now you know how it was like in this invented scenario that never happened.

>>530056887
in Japan, mangaka are legally considered independent contractors, so the IP rights resides with the author. comic artists being full-time employees of the publisher and the publisher owning the IP is more of an American Marvel/DC thing.

>>530119837
>so the IP rights resides with the author.
Which would be Toriyama. Meanwhile since he didn't make his own IP, Toyotaro is just an employee with no right over DB.

>>530026848
something the vast majority of DBZ fancomics don't get is the lighthearted human element the series has. they want fights and planetary destruction and shouting to the heavens, but forget the characters are supposed to be people. the Goku Black saga feels like a pure fanfic arc as a result, because it falls into the same trappings of being overly grim and dark all the time.

>>530120081
Sounds like those people need to watch Dragon Ball.

I just got flashbanged with a memory of DBM dunking on GT for being badly written and got so offended that the fuckers had the balls to say that only to end their tournament on that shit.
I don't like GT as much as the rest of DB but holy shit, they are the LAST people on Earth who get to criticize it.

>All those fanmangas building up to their 'war arc'
>The war arc never fucking happens and is not even what the readers give a shit about
Why does this pattern keep repeating itself?

>respectfully shitting on casuals
lmao

>>530120818
War Arc?

>>530121000
DBM's post ending is clearly building to an all out war against XXI and his allies.
Kakumei's entire thing is the 'War' against the Grand Priest's wife and her GoDs.
After introduced some great threat everyone will have to face that Goku had to go evil mode to progress and have a chance against.
It's only 3 exemples to be fair but still. Weird it happened thrice.

>>530093203
I'm practising my art so I can in the future

>>530120503
>I just got flashbanged with a memory of DBM dunking on GT for being badly written and got so offended that the fuckers had the balls to say that only to end their tournament on that shit.
Reminded me when Salagir claimed he came up with SS Oozaru independently.

It's not just GT, he also likes to shit on DBS too. I'm not fan of either, but him shitting on both while pretending his own writing is any better is hilarious.

>>530121576
>Reminded me when Salagir claimed he came up with SS Oozaru independently.
Not only people came up with it long before him (basically as soon as SSJ became a thing), it was in GT AND in Fusion.
Vegeta's imagined version of the SSJ was literally a golden Ozaru to begin with.

>>530093203
That does sound like a nice thing to do... But i'm planning on how to draw Satoshi Urushihara's artstyle. I don't think that style goes well with Dragon Ball...

>>530121838
I've been trying to emulate Naoko Takeuchi's art style for a while now.

>>530121337
>DBM's post ending is clearly building to an all out war against XXI and his allies.
That's funny, since his allies are mostly weak. Only Schizoku (Has SS2 and is immortal), Vegeta (Has SS3) and Cold (Perfect Cell level) are threats to anyone above Piccolo's level.

>>530121940
How goes it?

>>530122061
>Vegeta (Has SS3)
He'd probably kill Main Goku at this point knowing Salagir so that's more than enough.

>>530122164
not well. I do better with the anime's art.

>>530122532
Cute Sailor girl. I forgot her name. Venus?

What if Chichi was a femboy? Could Goku make him boypregnant?

>>530121337
>Kakumei's entire thing is the 'War' against the Grand Priest's wife and her GoDs.
The war will take place entirely on Sadala.

>After introduced some great threat everyone will have to face that Goku had to go evil mode to progress and have a chance against.
It's so funny that Goku's saiyan instincts were awakened when he felt such a threat, and his solution to all of that is, to kill his allies.

Pic related was also after Kaio had a schizo moment where he imagined Goku talking sensing other realities, that have different things like transformations beyond SS3, Gods of Destruction and the like (Which don't exist in this continuity). Weird stuff.

>>530122532
That's not bad at all. Could be better, yes. But not bad.

>>530049834
i feel like it's disingenuous to frame that as a GTfag take. i think it would objectively have been better for the gloval community, GT fans and otherwise, if we hadn't gotten Temu Super Saiyan 4 in Daima–because all that's done is give us something else to argue about and draw lines in the sand over. when instead it could've been a moment that unified everything and erased lines in that same sand, which i think would've been a beautiful note for Toriyama to go out on.

>>530123020
>The war will take place entirely on Sadala.
God, please no. Don't speak that evil into the world.
>It's so funny that Goku's saiyan instincts were awakened when he felt such a threat, and his solution to all of that is, to kill his allies.
It was such a funny and forced retcon. I don't mind it much tho since the head injury excuse was flimsy at best.
>Pic related was also after Kaio had a schizo moment where he imagined Goku talking sensing other realities
To be fair, it was probably not just a schizo moment and had to do with the author clearly wanting to introduce DBS concepts and further alongside his retcon.
But it really was presented in a weird, confusion schizo way.

>>530122643
Jupiter. she controls electricity and plants, is a tomboy who does judo, and in the anime makes several references to Bruce Lee which is why I drew her doing a Bruce Lee pose.

>>530123079
I'm working on something else, the ending battle has a scene that references the father-son kamehameha so I'm redrawing it more explicitly

>>530123596
ending battle in SuperS*, I meant

>>530123596
>she controls electricity and plants, is a tomboy who does judo, and in the anime makes several references to Bruce Lee
Yeah, I got the name wrong but it's the one I was thinking about.
>which is why I drew her doing a Bruce Lee pose.
That's a nice detail, good job.

>>530123095
i would go one adjacent step further and say i don't think it's fair to put Super Saiyan 4 in a corner as just being a GT thing anymore, either. it was a definitive staple of DBH and SDBH, and helped keep those games interesting and profitable for a long time. longer than GT aired on television.

>Was about to say we should talk about something other than Sadala when it come to Kakumei for once
>Realized there's literally nothing else to talk about
It's crazy, it has been ongoing for years and Sadala is STILL the only thing that happened in the story.

Is father-daughter incest based or cringe?

>>530124431
All incest is based

>>530124431
All incest is wrong.

>>530123317
>Don't speak that evil into the world.
Don't complain or they'll move Buu's Demon Realm adventures to Sadala too.

>I don't mind it much tho since the head injury excuse was flimsy at best.
This one isn't much better, since at no point this Goku talks like he's aware of something coming, so he isn't aware of it, nor does it seem like he's feeling an upcoming threat.

>To be fair, it was probably not just a schizo moment and had to do with the author clearly wanting to introduce DBS concepts and further alongside his retcon.
Well Kaio isn't aware of GoDs, and Goku talks like the After timeline doesn't have 12 universes, so if DBS stuff is introduced it'll be different (Which Goku even says "They may happen here, but differently).

Aside from DBS events, the page also showed SS4 Goku, Xicor, and Demigra, so it's free for all of whatever this fight is gonna be.

Thinking of it... My theory is this will be a weird attempt to bring the original Beerus, who had a virus power to make people evil, and he is the reason the saiyans went evil. Could always excuse him as being the reason Goku went evil right now.

>>530124057
The part I wanted to see the most is Buu in Demon Realm... We got only one chapter of that...

>>530124431
It's based

>>530123949
Venus is the orange one who cracks jokes.

>>530124925
>The part I wanted to see the most is Buu in Demon Realm... We got only one chapter of that...
Same, the intro for it was so cool too with Buu surrounded by a horde of demon. But nope, that got offscreened and it was nothing special.

>>530125043
Make sense. Pretty crazy we never got a Sailor Moon x DB crossover.
>>530124925
>they'll move Buu's Demon Realm adventures to Sadala too.
At least we'd see Buu again I guess.
>This one isn't much better, since at no point this Goku talks like he's aware of something coming
I thought the point was that it was a subconscious thing?
>so it's free for all of whatever this fight is gonna be.
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
>Thinking of it... My theory is this will be a weird attempt to bring the original Beerus, who had a virus power to make people evil
That would be a pretty interesting concept but a bit redundant since Goku's been evil for a long while now in After.
>Could always excuse him as being the reason Goku went evil right now.
Good point.

>>530125102
Not just the intro, Buu being challenged to climb that tower and fight every opponent, only for him to fly outside, demolish the tower, killing every opponent was great too. Felt like such a Toriyama moment.

>>530125307
>I thought the point was that it was a subconscious thing?
Yes, what I mean is that he doesn't react like someone who's felt a threat approaching, more of a villain fucking around, it's why Shin's deduction feels so weird, since his explanation is basically "Goku has been hit on the head before and didn't turn evil, therefore, an evil energy from outside out universe is approaching and awakened his saiyan instincts".

>but a bit redundant since Goku's been evil for a long while now in After.
I meant more on the lines that this Beerus' approach somehow affected Goku before the rest, and made him evil like previous saiyans. I'm probably completely wrong but I have nothing else to deduce...

Maybe it could be Demon Realm related, even before Daima, Demon Realm was located outside the universe.

>>530125307
Venus has an attack that looks just like the dodon ray. the mangaka created Chibiusa specifically to be her version of Gohan (and her backstory was inspired by Future Trunks). SM and DBZ were both animated by Toei around the same time.

I'm more surprised there was never a real PreCure crossover, considering the origins of that franchise.

>>530125825
>Maybe it could be Demon Realm related, even before Daima, Demon Realm was located outside the universe.
Doing a demon realm thing just after killing off Buu would be so lame.

>>530125984
>I'm more surprised there was never a real PreCure crossover, considering the origins of that franchise.
I'm still salty that the crossover movie was just an april's fool, it would have been so good.

>>530126154
part of the reason I want to get better at drawing is so I can do a fancomic crossover of them.

>>530126496
That would be based

A Ranma 1/2 crossover would be cool too. They have a real 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi vibe IMO.

SUPER 2 LEAK
POST-BROLY/PRE-MORO ANIME ORIGINAL ARC
HEROES/XENOVERSE CHARACTERS ARE SUDDENLY APPEARING
HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK
WE WONNED
AHHHH AHHHHHH AHHHHHH

>>530126543
the Precure manga has a really fun art style.

>>530126951
there are MOUNTAINS of Ranma x Sailor Moon crossovers, for whatever reason. it was the most popular crossover premise for much of the 90s.

>>530127223
It's very cute.
>>530127348
I know. Honestly there's a LOT of Ranma fanfics in general, especially crossovers.
I was talking about a Ranma crossover with DB.

>>530121337
I wonder if Young Jijii is going to fall on this trap too?

>>530127605
I know, the topic just reminded me of it.
before the Toonami+4kids boom in the late 90s, Ranma was the most popular anime in the US from what I remember. it was the first anime to have a fanbase beyond the 'fansubbed privately imported OVA' crowd.

>>530127813
too busy drawing softcore of his waifu. the ending of AF will probably be Gripi singlehandedly recreating the saiyan race by getting quintuple-teamed by Goku Gohan Goten Vegeta and Trunks.

>>530127813
Young Jiji's manga is still ongoing? I thought he hadn't updated it in years.

>>530128030
he releases a new chapter every few months. a new one just got uploaded a week or two ago.

>>530127219
Source?

>look up AF
>stumble upon some comedy gold

>>530128637
>TENDRAS QUE CUQUEAR
lmao

>>530126024
Demon Realm and Buu must stay away from each other I guess.

>The closest interactions between Buu and Demon Realm in Heroes was kid Buu absorbing Dabura
>Kakumei has Buu in Demon Realm but he's ignored
>Daima has adventures in the Demon Realm and Buu isn't considered to be brought along at any point.

>>530128734
>you'll get cucked
I don't speak enough messican to know what this is trying to say

>>530128637
OPUS!! I will FUCK all Saiyans. Even if they bave fur.

>>530129221
it basically like this
>MR piccolo i am married
>sorry gohan, you'll have to cheat(as in cuck videl) (in spanish is basically a spanglish of cucking, cuquear)

>>530129596

Just got Breakers and was actually having fun until the fucking disconnected from matchmaking shit kept getting me restricted.

How does no one care about this shit? I have never been more radicalized towards genociding this entire fucking uncaring industry until yesterday.

>>530129596
I see.
for the record, 'cuckold' I'm pretty sure is a French loanword.

>>530130189
because only about five people still play, and the reason disconnects happen is because premades will DDOS you the instant they think they're gonna lose.

>>530129181
>Daima has adventures in the Demon Realm and Buu isn't considered to be brought along at any point.
To be fair, the logic there was that Buu would basically create mass panic if he showed up in the demon realm and it was a stealth mission.

>>530130349
I can't even get into a fucking game THEN I'M PENALIZED FOR THEIR OWN SHIT PROGRAMMING.

>>530130189
>How does no one care about this shit?
I didn't even know Breakers had that issue now. It used to work fine.

>>530102808
Should've written a better story Salagir

>>530130492
I get to 8/8 and then it disconnects from the matchmaking for absolutely no reason, but unlike streams, I don't just fail to connect, I'm booted back to the title and it fucking counts against me. Only Shitter or Leddit even talk about this.

>>530118351
Absolute retard. There's literally nothing wrong with Goku dying, to Raditz or Cell, or giving up to Cell and sending Gohan. These are all very satisfying high stakes high drama moments written with great fights prior to that. This fanfic shit is a waste.

>>530098902
I'm torturing this fucking faggot in Hell when I die.

>>530098902
...what

>>530128637
I dont speak taco but I can tell this comic is making fun of Toyo.

>>530132574
>>530133174
It's even more of a shame when you know the Naruto porn fanbase was relatively free of shit like that until he came around and now it's everywhere.

>>530098902
you're forgetting the most important part: he was a diehard Naru x Saku fanboy who got utterly mindbroken by Hinata winning the Uzumaki bowl. That's why he has dedicated a decade and tens of thousands of dollars to Hinata IR cuck porn.

>>530133268
>making fun of Toyo.
Tablos*. They're making fun of Tablos for making fun of modern Dragon Ball.

>>530133573
>That's why he has dedicated a decade and tens of thousands of dollars to Hinata IR cuck porn.
Not just Hinata, there was Tsunade and Sakura too.

I accidentally introduced my saiyan partner to a hot tub and now she won't get out, what do?

>>530133813
Pull the tail

>>530133813
Wait for it to cool down

>>530101663
holy fuck what a schizopost

>>530133385
>>530133573
Shit like this should not be allowed to live.

>>530134289
The worst part is that he won money from it
He has a patreon

I like the Universe 6 Saiyans, but after seeing that image posted a few days ago with the power levels presented in a pixel graph makes a lot of Tournament of Power stuff seem impossible. There's no way the U6 Saiyans, Gohan, or Android 17 should've been able to fight at Super Saiyan Blue level. Cause shouldn't that mean teaching them God forms would make them the strongest characters in the 'verse underneath Zeno? I mean, at least Kale (and to a lesser degree Kefla) can use Legendary Super Saiyan being total bullshit as an excuse. But Blue Cabba might actually fight Blue Gogeta to a standstill and that boggles my fucking mind. lol

I like the Universe 6 Saiyans, but after seeing that image posted a few days ago with the power levels presented in a pixel graph, it makes a lot of Tournament of Power stuff seem impossible. There's no way the U6 Saiyans, Gohan, or Android 17 should've been able to fight at Super Saiyan Blue level. Cause shouldn't that mean teaching them God forms would make them the strongest characters in the 'verse underneath Zeno?

I mean, at least Kale (and to a lesser degree Kefla) can use Legendary Super Saiyan being total bullshit as an excuse. But Blue Cabba might actually fight Blue Gogeta to a standstill and that boggles my fucking mind. lol

>>530135063
>>530135221
Dragon Ball Super powerscaling runs off of vibes and hype.

>>530134461
I fucking hate life and can't reconcile with how much shit in this world needs to die.

>>530135221
Powerlevels aren't real

>>530135465
Probably should take it easy, it's just a really stupid porn addiction and autistic obsession about ships and fetishes. The guy's probably still a rat but it's not that serious.

>>530135221
>but after seeing that image posted a few days ago with the power levels presented in a pixel graph
Power levels haven't been a thing since the Namek Saga.

>>530130369
Easy fix.

>>530135936
>how buu s'posed to live up to body image in magazine
God, that line is so funny, probably improv'd though

>>530130189
Well, Europeans recently gathered a million signatures for an initiative to prevent publishers from making online only games permanently unplayable, so I think some people care
Also, when I was trying to get some screenshots at the time, it would actually fail to create a practice room, somehow, just to give you an idea of how functional the game is
I've personally never forgiven them for removing mixed rooms in season 2

>>530136134
weren't most of them found to be fake?

>>530136207
Not yet, but these things expect like 35% of signatures to be fake so they want 1.4m

>>530136410
As a matter of principle, I always make a fake signature on internet petitions advertised to me. Usually as Darth Vader, Son Goku etc.

>>530135736
The numbers themselves aren't, but characters are still absurdly strong.

Cabba is capable of keeping up with Vegeta in base form, and at most it means he's above SS3 Gotenks (Since Copy Vegeta was that strong), and if base forms aren't supposed to be this powerful and that was quietly retconned, he's still absurdly powerful and is vaguely above Namek Goku.

>I mean, at least Kale (and to a lesser degree Kefla) can use Legendary Super Saiyan being total bullshit as an excuse.
Anime Kale's isn't that absurdly powerful in the end, she was below SSG Goku. Still powerful but not on the level of Broly, or her manga counterpart ironically enough.

>>530135221
Are you really JUST noticing Toei uses SSB like the new SS2 and you should never ever take their powerscaling as serious? It's the same people behind little Goku being SS3 tier in base or fucking Pan beating androids that could fodderize Mecha Freeza

>>530136971
I like how Goten and Trunks go from utter complete non considerable gag fodder to gamma level in 3 years

>>530136971
I think it's kinda the point. U6 is clearly portrayed as having a higher power ceiling than U7 (compare Freeza being U7's power ceiling until like 20 years ago in-universe who get folded by SSJ1 vs Hit and his thousand year reign as someone who can curbstomp SSJBs.)
And Cabba, Kale and Caulifla are all supposed to be super promising youngsters with both power and lots of potential.
Kinda like how Broly was so strong with just vanilla SSJ1.

>>530137637
>I like how Goten and Trunks go from utter complete non considerable gag fodder to gamma level in 3 years
Their gimmick was always having even more potential than Gohan and just being utterly unwilling to do shit with it.

Toei has always been shit with powerscaling. Base Goku = Pikkon with weights > Super Perfect Cell. Base Goku = Ultimate Gohan.
Trying to make any sense of Toeishit is impossible since they do not care.

Oh yeah I forgot all of the humans being able to beat Super Perfect Cell according to Toei filler
Krillin > Pikkon weights >= Olibu =~ Yamcha > Super Perfect Cell.
Earthlings on King Kai's planet > Ginyu Force.

he's in

>>530139110
never ever, shallot only got in as a promo ande heroes is dead

>>530140078
the mod is right here https://gamebanana.com/mods/605046

>>530140773
Huh, I thought it was just an image to troll people with. Neat. Not gonna play it. But still neat.

If we are just supposed to except the Daipa retcon that Namekians being from the demon realm and that they didn't evolve on planet Namek, how do we rationalize the fact that all creatures native to Namek look similar to Namekians?

>>530144867
>evolve
No such thing in DB, all races are created by the Kaioshins.

>>530144867
It's not even from Daima, Toriyama wrote it for Super first

>>530123020
I've only seen this comic in these threads but that fucking gi design alone makes it the worst Dragon Ball thing I've ever seen

>>530123095
i think them calling it SS4 was specifically for people like you, telling "it's the same fucking thing you fucking nerd". They just slightly changed the design and that was likely to solve previously ignored issues that later came up to bite them in the ass: What would happen if we were to give SS4 to other characters? Aka, what happens with Trunks?
A thinking man is expected to look past that and say "cool they brought back SS4" instead of screeching and drawing even more lines in the sand. At that point it's on you and your obsession with getting mad at others

>>530137919
>>530138261
Not as massive of a nonsensical power up but I consider it dumber: SS2 Trunks jobs to SS3 Goku in one punch (obviously) and Zamasu is overwhelmed by SS2 Goku, then in the future it has been about ten years for Future Zamasu and two days for future Trunks, but Trunks does better against SSR Black than he did against base Black and Zamasu can actually do something against SSB Goku other than just tanking shit with immortality
I consider it worse because both niggas were SS2 tier and in (what for both of them is) lno time they became at least stronger than SSG Goku somehow so why the fuck is the point of Zamasu needing Goku's body and Trunks unlocking SS Rage later???

>>530147861
>it's the same fucking thing you fucking nerd
it's clearly not
>what would happen if we were to give SS4 to other characters?
Stop dragging this franchise on forever and giving everyone the same forms again.

>>530148654
that's not the point anon, remember how Toriyama changed the way he did things simply to make it easier to his assistants and the anime people? It's not that they were planning on giving everyone SS4, it's him going "i want to make it easier for others". Cause he was an adult man, and not an arrested development autist like the people that rip their hair out cause daima SS4 has red hair instead of black

and that's besides the main point, that daima was never supposed to be anything but a one time event, they're not gonna continue on it, so the screeching makes even less sense, you're all literally screaming at the void

>>530133268
It's a nsfw parody of ToP fanart Tablos made where Goku faces Spirit Killer Tablos of the "Ghost" Universe 13.

>>530139110
Finally, some good DLC

There sure are a lot of clothes in xv2 that have the detail of a jpeg from 2005.

if xenoverse 3 ever happens what modes do you see being consolidated and which ones do you see being cut.

I can see being cut
Crystal and Double Crystal Raids nobody plays this shit
Hero Coliseum nobody plays that shit
Race specific time capsules, only the saiyan one has infinite reason to be there thanks to QQ farming everything else is useless after the quest ends

So Toyotaro IS doing a new manga project but it's a one shot.
https://x.com/DbsHype/status/1941825927992009130
Thoughts?

>>530157563
>Lost Samurai
Please don't let history repeat again.